1 00:00:00,320 --> 00:00:05,640 Speaker 1: Already yo, ohlola, look amorees, I'm Theosa. 2 00:00:05,640 --> 00:00:09,760 Speaker 2: And I'm Mala and today I'm thinking about getting some filler. 3 00:00:10,360 --> 00:00:15,080 Speaker 1: No, girl, don't do it. Why don't do it? I mean, 4 00:00:15,400 --> 00:00:17,360 Speaker 1: do you, but also don't do. 5 00:00:17,360 --> 00:00:19,160 Speaker 2: It because it's going to ruin my face? 6 00:00:19,320 --> 00:00:20,320 Speaker 1: Right it could? 7 00:00:20,840 --> 00:00:21,280 Speaker 2: It could? 8 00:00:21,360 --> 00:00:24,320 Speaker 1: It quite often does not always, but sometimes. 9 00:00:24,520 --> 00:00:29,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a hot topic. It's very trendy, been trendy. 10 00:00:29,840 --> 00:00:32,440 Speaker 2: But I think there's a lot of risks and complications 11 00:00:32,479 --> 00:00:36,199 Speaker 2: and migrations and bad things that can happen if not 12 00:00:36,240 --> 00:00:37,880 Speaker 2: done correctly with the right doctor. 13 00:00:38,200 --> 00:00:41,239 Speaker 1: Yes, I think about the upkeep because there was a 14 00:00:41,280 --> 00:00:44,040 Speaker 1: time in my early twenties where I really wanted to 15 00:00:44,040 --> 00:00:46,760 Speaker 1: get my boobs done and then I thought, damn well, 16 00:00:46,800 --> 00:00:49,080 Speaker 1: I'd have to do it like every ten years because 17 00:00:49,080 --> 00:00:51,559 Speaker 1: you have to change them. Yeah, do I want to 18 00:00:51,560 --> 00:00:55,160 Speaker 1: do that for the rest of my life? Right? Probably not? 19 00:00:55,800 --> 00:00:58,800 Speaker 1: And so I didn't do it. Now. Don't get me wrong. 20 00:00:58,840 --> 00:01:01,320 Speaker 1: There are times I still think about it, Okay, but 21 00:01:01,960 --> 00:01:04,240 Speaker 1: I think probably I will probably not do it. 22 00:01:04,920 --> 00:01:07,840 Speaker 2: I feel like that's one of those things where like 23 00:01:09,240 --> 00:01:12,959 Speaker 2: it feels like, once I get this procedure done, I'm 24 00:01:12,959 --> 00:01:15,600 Speaker 2: going to feel so much better. I'm gonna be happier, 25 00:01:15,800 --> 00:01:18,039 Speaker 2: I'm gonna love myself more. I'm gonna love the way 26 00:01:18,040 --> 00:01:22,039 Speaker 2: of looking close. I think about that too with teeth, 27 00:01:22,120 --> 00:01:25,039 Speaker 2: with people getting their teeth done so young. Yeah, and 28 00:01:25,080 --> 00:01:26,760 Speaker 2: then it's like you're gonna go in and have to 29 00:01:26,760 --> 00:01:29,160 Speaker 2: get new veneers put on again every ten years for 30 00:01:29,200 --> 00:01:31,920 Speaker 2: the rest of your life. It's such a lifelong commitment 31 00:01:31,959 --> 00:01:32,920 Speaker 2: to elective surgery. 32 00:01:33,520 --> 00:01:37,920 Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, because it's elective, right, it's not reconstructive. And 33 00:01:37,959 --> 00:01:40,039 Speaker 1: I think in today's episode we want to dive into 34 00:01:40,560 --> 00:01:43,440 Speaker 1: the why why do we feel the pressure to change 35 00:01:43,480 --> 00:01:47,480 Speaker 1: these things? And just because we can, does it mean 36 00:01:47,560 --> 00:01:48,040 Speaker 1: we should? 37 00:01:49,000 --> 00:01:54,440 Speaker 2: That's I think really the foundation of today's episode. It's 38 00:01:54,480 --> 00:01:58,240 Speaker 2: like the ultimate practice of free will, you know, changing 39 00:01:58,280 --> 00:02:02,360 Speaker 2: the way that you look surgically semi permanently. You can, 40 00:02:03,040 --> 00:02:06,400 Speaker 2: but should you? And this reminds me of a story 41 00:02:06,680 --> 00:02:11,320 Speaker 2: of my mom who was also considering like a cosmetic procedure. 42 00:02:11,840 --> 00:02:15,360 Speaker 2: So my mom has a like a second cousin, a 43 00:02:15,360 --> 00:02:17,600 Speaker 2: great cousin, I guess you would say, who is a 44 00:02:17,600 --> 00:02:20,959 Speaker 2: plastic surgeon in Guadalahada. And he's like in his late eighties, 45 00:02:21,000 --> 00:02:25,040 Speaker 2: early nineties, and one time he came to visit, and 46 00:02:25,240 --> 00:02:28,040 Speaker 2: she has always complained about like the size of her smile. 47 00:02:28,639 --> 00:02:31,839 Speaker 2: So she asked him if he thought that it would 48 00:02:31,880 --> 00:02:35,520 Speaker 2: be possible to widen her smile by just like cutting 49 00:02:35,680 --> 00:02:37,800 Speaker 2: a little bit on each side of her mouth to 50 00:02:38,080 --> 00:02:41,040 Speaker 2: like make her smile bigger. And he said to her, well, 51 00:02:41,400 --> 00:02:45,240 Speaker 2: technically I could. However, your lips are not made out 52 00:02:45,280 --> 00:02:48,560 Speaker 2: of skin, They're made out of membrane. So to complete 53 00:02:48,560 --> 00:02:52,200 Speaker 2: the look, I would have to take membrane from your anus, 54 00:02:52,560 --> 00:02:54,680 Speaker 2: which is the only other place on the body where 55 00:02:54,880 --> 00:02:57,800 Speaker 2: like you can find membrane, and then take the membrane 56 00:02:57,840 --> 00:03:00,480 Speaker 2: from your anus and add it to your lips. And 57 00:03:00,520 --> 00:03:02,360 Speaker 2: then my mom said, oh, well, then I'll really be 58 00:03:02,400 --> 00:03:04,880 Speaker 2: talking out of my ass, and she decided not to 59 00:03:04,919 --> 00:03:06,680 Speaker 2: do it. She decided not to go for it. It 60 00:03:06,800 --> 00:03:09,400 Speaker 2: just wasn't a great option after all. And I think 61 00:03:10,000 --> 00:03:13,600 Speaker 2: that that for me also was this example of like 62 00:03:13,760 --> 00:03:16,240 Speaker 2: it might sound like a good idea, but what is 63 00:03:16,240 --> 00:03:18,720 Speaker 2: the nitty gritty, What is the actuality? What does it 64 00:03:18,800 --> 00:03:22,720 Speaker 2: actually take to achieve that cosmetic look? You know visa 65 00:03:22,800 --> 00:03:23,400 Speaker 2: v surgery? 66 00:03:23,840 --> 00:03:26,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know, there is so much content on 67 00:03:26,880 --> 00:03:31,840 Speaker 1: the internet dedicated now to documenting the plastic surgery process 68 00:03:32,040 --> 00:03:35,720 Speaker 1: for either transparency or just straight up sharing. Right, But 69 00:03:35,800 --> 00:03:37,520 Speaker 1: before we dive into that, we want to do a 70 00:03:37,600 --> 00:03:43,480 Speaker 1: quick historical review on when humans started getting plastic surgery, 71 00:03:43,920 --> 00:03:48,119 Speaker 1: from ancient times, older times to current day. 72 00:03:49,120 --> 00:03:52,360 Speaker 2: And I didn't realize that cosmetic surgery has been taking 73 00:03:52,400 --> 00:03:56,200 Speaker 2: place for centuries. Actually, it's not just something that started 74 00:03:56,480 --> 00:04:01,280 Speaker 2: in the eighties, you know, with celebrities seeds, you know, 75 00:04:01,440 --> 00:04:03,640 Speaker 2: like our modern culture by quite a bit. 76 00:04:04,320 --> 00:04:08,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, And the first known plastic surgery, which was a 77 00:04:08,440 --> 00:04:12,040 Speaker 1: precursor of the nose job, was actually in fourteen sixty AD, 78 00:04:12,920 --> 00:04:15,760 Speaker 1: which is wild. And you know, also we're talking about 79 00:04:16,040 --> 00:04:18,760 Speaker 1: modern plastic surgery in today's episode. But there have also 80 00:04:18,800 --> 00:04:22,839 Speaker 1: been different ways that women in particular have used different 81 00:04:23,480 --> 00:04:27,520 Speaker 1: beauty procedures or like body morphing, if you will, from 82 00:04:27,560 --> 00:04:31,000 Speaker 1: like tying their feet to like wearing really really tight corsets. 83 00:04:31,120 --> 00:04:33,400 Speaker 1: Plastic surgery is not the only way I think women 84 00:04:33,480 --> 00:04:36,440 Speaker 1: have tried to change their bodies. 85 00:04:36,160 --> 00:04:41,039 Speaker 2: Body modification in general, whether it be surgical or like 86 00:04:41,080 --> 00:04:43,400 Speaker 2: you said, using tools like corsets and fajas. 87 00:04:43,440 --> 00:04:45,720 Speaker 1: For example, Yes, we love a faha. 88 00:04:46,200 --> 00:04:48,279 Speaker 2: We do love a faha, and fa haas also have 89 00:04:48,440 --> 00:04:52,160 Speaker 2: other benefits not just for like tightening the waiste, but 90 00:04:52,480 --> 00:04:56,120 Speaker 2: after childbirth. Yeah, there's a lot of cultures, and I 91 00:04:56,160 --> 00:04:57,919 Speaker 2: know this is true for a lot of Latin American 92 00:04:57,960 --> 00:05:02,280 Speaker 2: cultures where you know, fahja after you give birth, so 93 00:05:02,320 --> 00:05:04,719 Speaker 2: that your guts go back into place and it holds 94 00:05:04,720 --> 00:05:06,960 Speaker 2: everything in and it helps you to get your shape back. 95 00:05:07,279 --> 00:05:11,800 Speaker 1: Yes. Yeah, And there's so many different uses of fajas, 96 00:05:12,120 --> 00:05:16,520 Speaker 1: of elective surgery, of cosmetic surgery. And actually it was 97 00:05:16,800 --> 00:05:19,719 Speaker 1: in nineteen thirty to the nineteen forties where the American 98 00:05:19,760 --> 00:05:25,719 Speaker 1: Society of Plastic Surgeons was founded, and originally plastic surgery 99 00:05:25,800 --> 00:05:30,360 Speaker 1: was used for reconstruction for burn victims, for injury victims 100 00:05:30,360 --> 00:05:33,680 Speaker 1: of war, and it was during that time that there 101 00:05:33,720 --> 00:05:38,640 Speaker 1: was also the first experimentation with breast augmentation. So it 102 00:05:38,680 --> 00:05:41,799 Speaker 1: goes back. Don't go anywhere, locomotives, We'll. 103 00:05:41,640 --> 00:05:51,040 Speaker 2: Be right back, and we're back with more of our episode. Now. 104 00:05:51,360 --> 00:05:55,479 Speaker 2: So many different places that cosmetic surgery has gone, I mean, 105 00:05:55,720 --> 00:06:00,200 Speaker 2: from the rhinoplasty to the BBL. I mean, people can 106 00:06:00,240 --> 00:06:04,479 Speaker 2: completely change their entire face, their entire body. And over 107 00:06:04,520 --> 00:06:07,880 Speaker 2: the years there have been examples, especially of celebrities, people 108 00:06:07,960 --> 00:06:12,599 Speaker 2: in the public eye who have seemingly completely transformed the 109 00:06:12,640 --> 00:06:15,359 Speaker 2: way that they look, and some of them all at once, 110 00:06:15,560 --> 00:06:19,719 Speaker 2: like Heidi Montag famously, or some over a period of time, 111 00:06:19,800 --> 00:06:21,400 Speaker 2: with a little bit here, a little bit there. 112 00:06:21,920 --> 00:06:23,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think the little bit here, a little 113 00:06:23,440 --> 00:06:26,440 Speaker 1: bit there is always the type that gets the most praise, right. 114 00:06:26,440 --> 00:06:29,559 Speaker 1: I think of like a Jennifer Lopez allegedly allegedly nothing 115 00:06:29,560 --> 00:06:31,320 Speaker 1: on the record that she's ever had done, but I 116 00:06:31,360 --> 00:06:34,160 Speaker 1: can imagine someone as resourced as her and who looks 117 00:06:34,200 --> 00:06:37,680 Speaker 1: as fantastic as she does. Hate or no, hate has 118 00:06:37,720 --> 00:06:41,440 Speaker 1: gotten a little jug here and there where it's super gradual, 119 00:06:41,480 --> 00:06:45,560 Speaker 1: where nobody really notices. Famously, there are a couple actresses 120 00:06:45,560 --> 00:06:47,120 Speaker 1: in mind that I was thinking of when we were 121 00:06:47,120 --> 00:06:50,840 Speaker 1: prepping for this episode, notably because I remember being a 122 00:06:50,880 --> 00:06:55,120 Speaker 1: young girl and hearing that they had quote bad work done, 123 00:06:55,560 --> 00:06:59,120 Speaker 1: that their faces were completely changed by the type of 124 00:06:59,120 --> 00:07:02,120 Speaker 1: work that they did, and that it affected them being 125 00:07:02,160 --> 00:07:05,440 Speaker 1: able to get work because then they were quote unrecognizable. 126 00:07:05,839 --> 00:07:09,279 Speaker 1: And one of those women is Meg Ryan rom Com 127 00:07:09,560 --> 00:07:13,200 Speaker 1: Queen Famously and You've got Male Sleepless in Seattle had 128 00:07:13,240 --> 00:07:16,040 Speaker 1: a very i would say, prolific career in the eighties 129 00:07:16,080 --> 00:07:18,800 Speaker 1: and nineties as like the lead protagonist in some of 130 00:07:18,840 --> 00:07:22,640 Speaker 1: our favorite rom coms. And then once she got a facelift. 131 00:07:22,840 --> 00:07:27,000 Speaker 1: I remember it was talked about in the tabloids in 132 00:07:27,080 --> 00:07:30,640 Speaker 1: the media like it was a bad facelift, she ruined 133 00:07:30,640 --> 00:07:34,240 Speaker 1: her face. And I would say also, someone that for 134 00:07:34,360 --> 00:07:37,480 Speaker 1: me always stuck out in my mind was Jennifer Gray 135 00:07:37,680 --> 00:07:42,720 Speaker 1: who starred as Baby in Dirty Dancing opposite Patrick Swayze. 136 00:07:43,240 --> 00:07:47,240 Speaker 1: And she had a beautiful face, and she had a 137 00:07:47,680 --> 00:07:52,560 Speaker 1: very particular shape of her nose. It was very unique 138 00:07:52,640 --> 00:07:56,200 Speaker 1: to her, definitely a unique beautiful face, and she got 139 00:07:56,240 --> 00:07:59,240 Speaker 1: a nose job. Assumedly this was an insecurity for her. 140 00:07:59,360 --> 00:08:02,320 Speaker 1: It was probably pointed out to her by casting directors. 141 00:08:02,760 --> 00:08:05,920 Speaker 1: She got a nose job and then quote ruined her 142 00:08:05,920 --> 00:08:09,760 Speaker 1: face because she was unrecognizable and nobody wanted to cast her. 143 00:08:10,320 --> 00:08:13,720 Speaker 2: And it's so strange because on the one hand, those actresses, 144 00:08:13,800 --> 00:08:18,080 Speaker 2: like you said, were probably getting negative feedback about their faces, 145 00:08:18,520 --> 00:08:22,440 Speaker 2: and then once they underwent surgery, the negative feedback continued. Yeah, 146 00:08:22,480 --> 00:08:24,800 Speaker 2: you can't make anyone happy. On the flip side, you 147 00:08:24,840 --> 00:08:29,200 Speaker 2: have someone like Barbara streisand who forever people have asked 148 00:08:29,240 --> 00:08:32,360 Speaker 2: her why she didn't get a nose job, Why not 149 00:08:32,520 --> 00:08:35,400 Speaker 2: change your nose, because I think Barbara and Jennifer Gray 150 00:08:35,400 --> 00:08:36,880 Speaker 2: actually had a very similar look. 151 00:08:37,120 --> 00:08:40,200 Speaker 1: Yeah. I also would say, like Sarah Jessica Parker, yes, 152 00:08:40,559 --> 00:08:44,040 Speaker 1: has a very unique, very beautiful nose and has never 153 00:08:44,160 --> 00:08:46,720 Speaker 1: changed it, even though casting directors have told her like, 154 00:08:47,000 --> 00:08:48,440 Speaker 1: you should probably get a nose job. 155 00:08:48,679 --> 00:08:51,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like sabotage. Yeah, it's sabotage because in those 156 00:08:51,960 --> 00:08:54,720 Speaker 2: very same people, once the nose job is done, now 157 00:08:54,760 --> 00:08:57,240 Speaker 2: they don't want to cast you. Of course, it's awful. 158 00:08:57,320 --> 00:09:01,360 Speaker 2: And I think for Barbara Streisand in particular as a singer, 159 00:09:01,400 --> 00:09:04,360 Speaker 2: as a vocalist, to change her nose would would change 160 00:09:04,400 --> 00:09:07,360 Speaker 2: her singing, you know, and the way that she sounds 161 00:09:07,400 --> 00:09:10,720 Speaker 2: when she's singing. So I love Barbara Streisand for and 162 00:09:10,760 --> 00:09:12,520 Speaker 2: it's crazy to say, like, oh I love her for 163 00:09:12,640 --> 00:09:15,040 Speaker 2: taking a stand and not changing her nose. Yeah, but 164 00:09:15,240 --> 00:09:19,120 Speaker 2: and just being herself. Yeah, but in the industry that 165 00:09:19,160 --> 00:09:23,920 Speaker 2: she's in and that we're in, sometimes like that's that's 166 00:09:24,040 --> 00:09:25,520 Speaker 2: like an act of resistance. 167 00:09:26,000 --> 00:09:28,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, and I think, like to kind of 168 00:09:28,280 --> 00:09:32,200 Speaker 1: go further, obviously we're talking about white women and who 169 00:09:32,200 --> 00:09:35,439 Speaker 1: have gone through these very public transformations and because also 170 00:09:35,520 --> 00:09:39,000 Speaker 1: having very public careers. It also raises the question like 171 00:09:39,559 --> 00:09:43,600 Speaker 1: the pressures that maybe Latina actresses and women of color 172 00:09:43,640 --> 00:09:48,640 Speaker 1: black women feel, the pressure also to look a certain way, 173 00:09:48,880 --> 00:09:52,720 Speaker 1: to maintain a certain type of beauty standard, and just 174 00:09:52,760 --> 00:09:55,400 Speaker 1: the eurocentrism of it all right, the hierarchy of like 175 00:09:55,440 --> 00:09:59,280 Speaker 1: the skin of skin, color, colorism that exists no matter 176 00:09:59,360 --> 00:10:01,319 Speaker 1: like if you are a woman of color or black woman, 177 00:10:02,080 --> 00:10:04,840 Speaker 1: having a smaller nose, having the straight hair, and how 178 00:10:04,880 --> 00:10:07,760 Speaker 1: that can all play into either casting or that pressure 179 00:10:07,800 --> 00:10:10,200 Speaker 1: to look a certain way and to conform to a 180 00:10:10,200 --> 00:10:12,720 Speaker 1: beauty standard that is may may not even be of 181 00:10:12,760 --> 00:10:16,440 Speaker 1: like your own culture or standard for your own family. Even. 182 00:10:17,120 --> 00:10:21,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, I've seen some talk of like ethnic nose jobs, yes, 183 00:10:21,920 --> 00:10:23,920 Speaker 2: so that they're not giving you like a button nose, 184 00:10:24,000 --> 00:10:26,520 Speaker 2: but a nose that's more in alignment with your cultural 185 00:10:26,559 --> 00:10:29,800 Speaker 2: background and the natural ethnic features that you might already have. 186 00:10:30,240 --> 00:10:33,160 Speaker 2: Somebody that people talk about is having a very subtle 187 00:10:33,240 --> 00:10:36,319 Speaker 2: ethnic nose job is Beyonce Yes. And you know, people, 188 00:10:36,480 --> 00:10:39,079 Speaker 2: especially on TikTok, will point out the before and afters 189 00:10:39,120 --> 00:10:41,640 Speaker 2: from when she was very very young to the current day. 190 00:10:41,840 --> 00:10:44,440 Speaker 2: And I see people say like, oh, I miss Beyonce's 191 00:10:44,440 --> 00:10:48,000 Speaker 2: old nose, but it's not super obvious in interface. I 192 00:10:48,000 --> 00:10:52,920 Speaker 2: think she got a very very very subtle RHINOPLASTI done interesting. Yeah, 193 00:10:52,600 --> 00:10:57,120 Speaker 2: and there's others other women of color on TV. Julie Chen, 194 00:10:57,760 --> 00:11:01,960 Speaker 2: news anchor who had a pretty extreme I don't know 195 00:11:02,000 --> 00:11:04,400 Speaker 2: what exactly she did to her face, but when you 196 00:11:04,400 --> 00:11:06,640 Speaker 2: look at the before and afters, she is another one 197 00:11:06,640 --> 00:11:08,640 Speaker 2: who looks basically unrecognizable. 198 00:11:08,960 --> 00:11:12,959 Speaker 1: And also Julie Chen has been public about public now 199 00:11:13,040 --> 00:11:17,439 Speaker 1: talking about the plastic surgery she's had, especially the plastic 200 00:11:17,480 --> 00:11:19,960 Speaker 1: surgery she had when she was only twenty five years old. 201 00:11:20,120 --> 00:11:22,440 Speaker 1: She had a double lid procedure to quote help her 202 00:11:22,480 --> 00:11:26,000 Speaker 1: career after her agents suggested it and her boss said 203 00:11:26,040 --> 00:11:30,559 Speaker 1: her eyes made her look quote disinterested and quote too Chinese. 204 00:11:31,120 --> 00:11:33,640 Speaker 1: She says, I got some blowback within my own family 205 00:11:33,720 --> 00:11:36,000 Speaker 1: before I had it. I had a sister who thought 206 00:11:36,000 --> 00:11:39,120 Speaker 1: it was denying my heritage and she thought it was ridiculous. 207 00:11:40,360 --> 00:11:43,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, and so that's an example of someone 208 00:11:43,200 --> 00:11:46,839 Speaker 2: who is not only changing their face for like job opportunities, 209 00:11:46,840 --> 00:11:52,280 Speaker 2: but job opportunities that are like maybe being denied or 210 00:11:52,480 --> 00:11:56,200 Speaker 2: gate kept because of white supremacy and white supremacist beauty 211 00:11:56,240 --> 00:11:57,359 Speaker 2: standards specifically. 212 00:11:57,679 --> 00:11:58,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think. 213 00:11:58,679 --> 00:12:01,520 Speaker 2: That's an important piece for all of this is I 214 00:12:01,679 --> 00:12:07,080 Speaker 2: don't know that people are necessarily getting plastic surgery to 215 00:12:07,240 --> 00:12:11,080 Speaker 2: look more like their ethnic group, right. I think quite 216 00:12:11,120 --> 00:12:13,880 Speaker 2: often it's the opposite, is to look less like the 217 00:12:13,880 --> 00:12:15,080 Speaker 2: people that they come from. 218 00:12:15,360 --> 00:12:18,360 Speaker 1: Yeah. And then there's like this amalgamation, right, It's like 219 00:12:18,640 --> 00:12:24,400 Speaker 1: bigger lips, right, smaller nose, more prominent cheekbones, maybe an 220 00:12:24,440 --> 00:12:29,280 Speaker 1: eye lift, and so it's an amalgamation of different cultures 221 00:12:29,320 --> 00:12:32,400 Speaker 1: and beauty on one faced where you may not even 222 00:12:32,440 --> 00:12:35,160 Speaker 1: look like the ethnic background that you actually are. 223 00:12:35,679 --> 00:12:41,040 Speaker 2: Yeah. This also brings into play like accusations of basically 224 00:12:41,080 --> 00:12:45,880 Speaker 2: cosmetic blackfishing, especially for people like the Kardashians. Yes, and 225 00:12:45,920 --> 00:12:48,440 Speaker 2: that's a topic that's been out there for a while now, 226 00:12:48,600 --> 00:12:52,360 Speaker 2: especially with like Kylie Jenner and Chloe Kardashian and Kim 227 00:12:52,440 --> 00:12:56,920 Speaker 2: Kardashian and the bbls and the lip filler and the 228 00:12:56,960 --> 00:12:58,720 Speaker 2: way that they do their hair and the type of 229 00:12:58,720 --> 00:13:01,800 Speaker 2: glam that they're putting on and the men that they date, Like, 230 00:13:01,920 --> 00:13:06,960 Speaker 2: the whole thing is a very odd blackfishing, white supremacist 231 00:13:07,080 --> 00:13:09,240 Speaker 2: approach to body modification. 232 00:13:09,640 --> 00:13:12,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think it's also really interesting when there's 233 00:13:12,160 --> 00:13:15,080 Speaker 1: photos I've seen of Chloe Kardashian and I've literally thought 234 00:13:15,080 --> 00:13:18,440 Speaker 1: to myself, is that gottle G screaming? And it's not. 235 00:13:18,559 --> 00:13:19,720 Speaker 1: It's Chloe Kardashian. 236 00:13:19,960 --> 00:13:21,720 Speaker 2: You know what, they do kind of have a similar look. 237 00:13:21,760 --> 00:13:25,320 Speaker 1: Now that you say that, I mean in gottle G assumedly, 238 00:13:25,480 --> 00:13:28,680 Speaker 1: I don't know. It looks like she's had a little 239 00:13:28,760 --> 00:13:30,960 Speaker 1: judged here and there right on her face. And so 240 00:13:31,200 --> 00:13:34,000 Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, I can see the Instagram face of 241 00:13:34,040 --> 00:13:37,719 Speaker 1: it all right, looking everyone looking the same. 242 00:13:37,760 --> 00:13:39,120 Speaker 2: In some ways, like a filter. 243 00:13:39,360 --> 00:13:42,839 Speaker 1: Yeah. And I think, you know, we're starting with these 244 00:13:43,720 --> 00:13:48,680 Speaker 1: broader examples or quote like bigger people, celebrities, folks that 245 00:13:48,720 --> 00:13:50,920 Speaker 1: are more resourced. But I think now more than ever, 246 00:13:51,320 --> 00:13:55,880 Speaker 1: plastic surgery and cosmetic procedures are more accessible. And now 247 00:13:55,920 --> 00:14:00,520 Speaker 1: we see influencers, Now we see reality TV stars, I quote, 248 00:14:00,559 --> 00:14:05,640 Speaker 1: regular people having access and now looking like celebrities almost 249 00:14:05,840 --> 00:14:08,480 Speaker 1: or just looking like not your average girl anymore. 250 00:14:09,240 --> 00:14:12,440 Speaker 2: Yes, the girl the girl next door look is no more. 251 00:14:12,960 --> 00:14:15,040 Speaker 2: It's gone. But I think we go in and out 252 00:14:15,080 --> 00:14:18,760 Speaker 2: of it. Yes, And it's that ever changing goalposts. The 253 00:14:18,760 --> 00:14:20,560 Speaker 2: goalpost is always moving. 254 00:14:20,640 --> 00:14:23,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, we're seeing it, we're living in real time. It's flipping. 255 00:14:23,520 --> 00:14:27,480 Speaker 1: It was the curvy, big booty girl, right, the BBL girl, 256 00:14:27,560 --> 00:14:29,640 Speaker 1: and now it's the skinny girl. 257 00:14:29,880 --> 00:14:33,160 Speaker 2: It's back to like nineties heroin chic. Yes, yeah, and 258 00:14:33,200 --> 00:14:38,760 Speaker 2: it's it's it's also really tragic to see, like on 259 00:14:38,800 --> 00:14:41,360 Speaker 2: the way over here, in doing a little bit more 260 00:14:41,400 --> 00:14:45,240 Speaker 2: research on this, looking at tiktoks of women posting about 261 00:14:45,240 --> 00:14:48,600 Speaker 2: how they regret their BBL, and that's a very common. 262 00:14:48,640 --> 00:14:51,800 Speaker 2: There's very common types of content where it's follow me 263 00:14:51,840 --> 00:14:55,920 Speaker 2: on my BBL journey, follow me in maintaining my BBL. 264 00:14:56,360 --> 00:14:59,480 Speaker 2: I regret my BBL, you know. And it seems to 265 00:14:59,520 --> 00:15:03,440 Speaker 2: be this y very like common pattern of doing it, 266 00:15:03,560 --> 00:15:05,480 Speaker 2: liking it for a little bit, and then regretting it 267 00:15:06,040 --> 00:15:08,440 Speaker 2: and how do I fix it? How do I undo it? So, 268 00:15:08,800 --> 00:15:12,560 Speaker 2: for example, there is this one TikTok influencer that I 269 00:15:12,600 --> 00:15:16,480 Speaker 2: have followed for some time, gorgeous girl Jayleen Oh hey 270 00:15:16,520 --> 00:15:20,600 Speaker 2: that and she is a total baddie, known for her 271 00:15:20,600 --> 00:15:25,000 Speaker 2: gorgeous face, for her body, and she does meet and 272 00:15:25,040 --> 00:15:27,840 Speaker 2: greets and she does content, and she's a beauty queen. 273 00:15:27,920 --> 00:15:31,200 Speaker 2: She's known for being beautiful. Last year in twenty twenty four, 274 00:15:31,400 --> 00:15:33,600 Speaker 2: she was on the podcast circuit and she went on 275 00:15:33,680 --> 00:15:38,280 Speaker 2: Laplatica to talk about a botched plastic surgery that she 276 00:15:38,360 --> 00:15:41,240 Speaker 2: got in Ukraine and how as a result of this 277 00:15:41,360 --> 00:15:45,920 Speaker 2: surgery she developed Bell's palsy in her face. And Bell's 278 00:15:45,920 --> 00:15:49,640 Speaker 2: palsy is a type of facial paralysis and it can 279 00:15:49,680 --> 00:15:53,760 Speaker 2: be like semi permanent, it can go away eventually, but 280 00:15:54,080 --> 00:15:56,920 Speaker 2: you know, it changes the way your face looks because 281 00:15:57,080 --> 00:15:59,640 Speaker 2: you're like nerves are not working anymore. And which she 282 00:15:59,640 --> 00:16:02,800 Speaker 2: explained is that as a result of trying to get 283 00:16:03,240 --> 00:16:06,560 Speaker 2: a nose job in Ukraine, a nerve was cut in 284 00:16:06,600 --> 00:16:10,080 Speaker 2: the wrong way and that created Bell's palsy in her face. 285 00:16:10,120 --> 00:16:12,560 Speaker 2: So this girl who was already known for being gorgeous, 286 00:16:12,680 --> 00:16:15,960 Speaker 2: already famous for being gorgeous, already had millions of followers 287 00:16:15,960 --> 00:16:19,360 Speaker 2: across her platforms, for whatever reason, felt like she needed 288 00:16:19,400 --> 00:16:22,320 Speaker 2: to be more beautiful, like she wasn't beautiful enough, and 289 00:16:22,360 --> 00:16:26,480 Speaker 2: as a result, she developed this condition which impacted her beauty. 290 00:16:26,840 --> 00:16:29,920 Speaker 2: And it's just this vicious cycle that you hate to see. 291 00:16:30,040 --> 00:16:32,240 Speaker 2: And this is not somebody who is in movies or 292 00:16:32,280 --> 00:16:35,440 Speaker 2: on TV shows, but she is still viewed by millions 293 00:16:35,440 --> 00:16:37,720 Speaker 2: and millions of people on our phones. 294 00:16:38,040 --> 00:16:41,880 Speaker 1: I think what makes plastic surgery elective procedure very different 295 00:16:41,960 --> 00:16:44,080 Speaker 1: from let's say the nineties or even the early two 296 00:16:44,080 --> 00:16:48,080 Speaker 1: thousands is how often we're seeing our own selves and 297 00:16:48,160 --> 00:16:51,800 Speaker 1: how that can make us so self conscious. Right, normally 298 00:16:52,160 --> 00:16:55,000 Speaker 1: we would take photos, right or back in the day, 299 00:16:55,080 --> 00:16:57,720 Speaker 1: right with our digital cameras, we would take photos. Now 300 00:16:57,720 --> 00:17:01,880 Speaker 1: we have access to like the selfies, right, we're making videos, 301 00:17:02,280 --> 00:17:05,360 Speaker 1: We're making videos of ourselves or even like we come 302 00:17:05,400 --> 00:17:08,240 Speaker 1: out in people's videos, right, and so there's this constant 303 00:17:08,240 --> 00:17:13,200 Speaker 1: bombardment of your own face that I don't know we're 304 00:17:13,240 --> 00:17:16,280 Speaker 1: supposed to really see that often. You know, It's like 305 00:17:16,480 --> 00:17:18,280 Speaker 1: there was there was a time where you could like 306 00:17:18,320 --> 00:17:20,480 Speaker 1: look at yourself in the mirror. Right before the invention 307 00:17:20,520 --> 00:17:22,959 Speaker 1: of technology, you looked at yourself in the mirror and 308 00:17:23,000 --> 00:17:26,040 Speaker 1: you saw your face, right, And then now that has 309 00:17:26,080 --> 00:17:29,399 Speaker 1: evolved over time with technology, with the phones, with cameras, 310 00:17:29,480 --> 00:17:32,840 Speaker 1: now with video, and so there's just constant access to 311 00:17:32,960 --> 00:17:36,679 Speaker 1: just examine everything on your face, good or bad. And 312 00:17:36,720 --> 00:17:39,959 Speaker 1: so I can see it goes back to what we 313 00:17:39,960 --> 00:17:42,359 Speaker 1: were saying at the top of the conversation, where getting 314 00:17:42,400 --> 00:17:46,600 Speaker 1: this procedure may not actually make you happy, right, You 315 00:17:46,640 --> 00:17:51,400 Speaker 1: may not actually feel you may feel more quote beautiful temporarily, 316 00:17:52,240 --> 00:17:53,880 Speaker 1: but was it ever really about that? 317 00:17:54,640 --> 00:17:58,400 Speaker 2: Yeah? And I think it's something really important to note 318 00:17:58,640 --> 00:18:02,439 Speaker 2: is that the cameras, the lenses, I mean a lens 319 00:18:02,520 --> 00:18:08,760 Speaker 2: can do so much to distort the image that it's capturing. Lenses, lights, 320 00:18:08,800 --> 00:18:12,800 Speaker 2: like a camera camera versus a phone camera, and different 321 00:18:12,800 --> 00:18:15,560 Speaker 2: types of cameras, Like, you're gonna look different in every 322 00:18:15,640 --> 00:18:20,240 Speaker 2: single image because every single camera is like working differently, 323 00:18:20,480 --> 00:18:22,720 Speaker 2: and so you never truly know what you look like 324 00:18:22,960 --> 00:18:24,800 Speaker 2: if you are looking at yourself through the eyes of 325 00:18:24,840 --> 00:18:27,680 Speaker 2: a lens. And there are so many different types of 326 00:18:27,760 --> 00:18:31,120 Speaker 2: lenses and even mirrors, right, Like, you know, in some 327 00:18:31,119 --> 00:18:34,199 Speaker 2: mirrors you look tall and slender, and in other mirrors 328 00:18:34,200 --> 00:18:37,439 Speaker 2: you feel like you look shorter, you know. And there 329 00:18:37,440 --> 00:18:40,400 Speaker 2: are good mirrors and bad mirrors, and we can notice this. 330 00:18:40,480 --> 00:18:43,840 Speaker 2: So when we see our reflections, are we ever seeing 331 00:18:43,840 --> 00:18:46,879 Speaker 2: an accurate reflection of what we actually look like? 332 00:18:47,080 --> 00:18:50,960 Speaker 1: Right? It's like the fun house in our pocket is 333 00:18:51,000 --> 00:18:55,400 Speaker 1: how it feels. It is. Every waking moment you can 334 00:18:55,440 --> 00:18:58,120 Speaker 1: get a different image of yourself, a different angle of yourself. 335 00:18:58,400 --> 00:19:00,560 Speaker 1: There are moments where I have like a and open 336 00:19:00,600 --> 00:19:03,600 Speaker 1: my camera and I'm like, oof, who I do not 337 00:19:03,680 --> 00:19:06,360 Speaker 1: need to see myself from that angle, right, And then 338 00:19:06,560 --> 00:19:09,000 Speaker 1: of course there's the more pos Yes, I put makeup 339 00:19:09,040 --> 00:19:10,920 Speaker 1: on and I feel beautiful today, so I'm going to 340 00:19:10,960 --> 00:19:12,800 Speaker 1: take a photo. Of course that's going to look like 341 00:19:12,840 --> 00:19:15,000 Speaker 1: the best version of myself. You know, That's what I'm 342 00:19:15,000 --> 00:19:18,720 Speaker 1: putting out there, and so I can see, like why 343 00:19:18,800 --> 00:19:21,280 Speaker 1: we're in this cycle. I feel so grateful to be 344 00:19:21,320 --> 00:19:24,800 Speaker 1: at this age where we have that in between of 345 00:19:24,840 --> 00:19:28,399 Speaker 1: growing up outside of the internet right before the social 346 00:19:28,440 --> 00:19:29,959 Speaker 1: media is what it is today. But I think of 347 00:19:30,000 --> 00:19:34,000 Speaker 1: someone like my niece growing up with social media, and 348 00:19:34,560 --> 00:19:37,920 Speaker 1: you know, she's constantly at Sephora. She's sixteen years old. 349 00:19:37,920 --> 00:19:40,119 Speaker 1: I don't blame her. I don't blame her. And she 350 00:19:40,160 --> 00:19:42,040 Speaker 1: doesn't wear a lot of makeup, but like that is 351 00:19:42,080 --> 00:19:47,160 Speaker 1: already in her zeitgeist of the brands and the beauty products, 352 00:19:47,160 --> 00:19:49,639 Speaker 1: and she knows like what's popular right now, and so 353 00:19:49,720 --> 00:19:51,879 Speaker 1: that's very much a part of her experience as an 354 00:19:51,880 --> 00:19:52,760 Speaker 1: adolescent girl. 355 00:19:53,280 --> 00:19:57,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, like middle schoolers having a ten step skincare routine 356 00:19:57,760 --> 00:20:00,680 Speaker 2: and they're using collagen and Higler on a acid and 357 00:20:00,720 --> 00:20:02,879 Speaker 2: all kinds of things that they're like young skin just 358 00:20:02,920 --> 00:20:03,880 Speaker 2: does not need. 359 00:20:04,040 --> 00:20:06,360 Speaker 1: No little baby faces. They have all the collagen. 360 00:20:06,600 --> 00:20:08,960 Speaker 2: They have all of the collagen. But and that's a 361 00:20:09,000 --> 00:20:15,320 Speaker 2: really fascinating trend too, is like young girls really dedicating 362 00:20:15,400 --> 00:20:20,760 Speaker 2: time and whatever their allowance is to like really extensive 363 00:20:20,760 --> 00:20:23,400 Speaker 2: skincare routines. So it's starting really really young. 364 00:20:23,520 --> 00:20:24,920 Speaker 1: Don't go anywhere, lookamotives. 365 00:20:25,080 --> 00:20:31,520 Speaker 2: We'll be right back, and we're back with more of 366 00:20:31,560 --> 00:20:32,359 Speaker 2: our episode. 367 00:20:33,600 --> 00:20:36,240 Speaker 1: On the other side of social media influencers, We've talked 368 00:20:36,240 --> 00:20:41,040 Speaker 1: about the celebrities, the reality TV stars, the influencers. Then 369 00:20:41,080 --> 00:20:46,359 Speaker 1: we have Republican lawmakers who very visibly have filler and treatments. 370 00:20:46,560 --> 00:20:50,280 Speaker 1: This has also been called the Mara Lago face, which 371 00:20:50,280 --> 00:20:53,040 Speaker 1: I think is really interesting and that I want us 372 00:20:53,040 --> 00:20:55,600 Speaker 1: to spend a little time on. Is like the plastic 373 00:20:55,680 --> 00:21:01,640 Speaker 1: surgery and the gender norms that are specific being reinforced 374 00:21:01,720 --> 00:21:04,280 Speaker 1: by some of the Republican lawmakers and folks in the 375 00:21:04,640 --> 00:21:05,600 Speaker 1: Trumpet administration. 376 00:21:06,080 --> 00:21:09,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, like, why do we have politicians looking like straight 377 00:21:09,160 --> 00:21:11,000 Speaker 2: ig batties? Why? 378 00:21:11,440 --> 00:21:11,560 Speaker 1: So? 379 00:21:11,600 --> 00:21:15,000 Speaker 2: There was a really funny TV segment where comedian Amber 380 00:21:15,119 --> 00:21:19,400 Speaker 2: Ruffin is looking at before and after pictures of Republican 381 00:21:19,440 --> 00:21:22,480 Speaker 2: women and their cosmetic surgeries. It's a segment called Have 382 00:21:22,560 --> 00:21:25,040 Speaker 2: I Got News for You on CNN. It's hosted by 383 00:21:25,240 --> 00:21:28,560 Speaker 2: Roy Woods Junior. And the way that Amber Ruffin is 384 00:21:28,600 --> 00:21:33,159 Speaker 2: reacting to these before and after pictures for Republicans is like, 385 00:21:33,359 --> 00:21:37,560 Speaker 2: why are we having these like reality TV experiences with 386 00:21:37,640 --> 00:21:41,679 Speaker 2: our elected officials? Yeah, because of cosmetic surgery. And what's 387 00:21:41,720 --> 00:21:44,920 Speaker 2: so funny about the segment is a we can make 388 00:21:44,920 --> 00:21:47,679 Speaker 2: fun of these women because I think that politically they 389 00:21:47,720 --> 00:21:51,320 Speaker 2: are grotesque, and they are grotesque because of the laws 390 00:21:51,359 --> 00:21:53,600 Speaker 2: that they are passing, because of the violence that they 391 00:21:53,600 --> 00:21:58,399 Speaker 2: are enacting on our communities and on marginalized peoples. So 392 00:21:58,480 --> 00:22:01,160 Speaker 2: I don't feel bad for laughing at their face, honestly, 393 00:22:01,359 --> 00:22:03,760 Speaker 2: but they're also grotesque because of what they've done to 394 00:22:03,840 --> 00:22:10,040 Speaker 2: their faces. They are essentially taking their i think, what's 395 00:22:10,080 --> 00:22:14,040 Speaker 2: considered to be feminine features and doing it to a 396 00:22:14,080 --> 00:22:16,800 Speaker 2: degree that is almost cartoonish. 397 00:22:17,280 --> 00:22:23,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, we're thinking the long blow dried like big hair, right, 398 00:22:23,480 --> 00:22:27,879 Speaker 1: false eyelashes, lots of mascara, filler in the cheeks, filler 399 00:22:27,880 --> 00:22:31,679 Speaker 1: in the lips, and it is presenting this type of 400 00:22:33,080 --> 00:22:37,040 Speaker 1: maga beauty. And then in turn, you see MEGA supporters 401 00:22:37,040 --> 00:22:40,040 Speaker 1: also looking that way as well. And I've seen on 402 00:22:40,119 --> 00:22:44,840 Speaker 1: TikTok some white maga women saying like, it's never been 403 00:22:44,920 --> 00:22:49,760 Speaker 1: hotter to be a conservative. It's the liberals. Progressives wish 404 00:22:49,840 --> 00:22:53,040 Speaker 1: they could look like us, literally. 405 00:22:52,960 --> 00:22:55,480 Speaker 2: But these looks are like. But also these be okay 406 00:22:55,520 --> 00:22:59,080 Speaker 2: because at the same time, the high glam, I think 407 00:22:59,160 --> 00:23:02,600 Speaker 2: is also coming from a left liberal place. 408 00:23:02,880 --> 00:23:04,600 Speaker 1: Absolutely, the lux. 409 00:23:04,640 --> 00:23:09,840 Speaker 2: The glam, the hyper feminine beauty aesthetics are not only 410 00:23:09,840 --> 00:23:12,119 Speaker 2: coming from like a left liberal place, but I also 411 00:23:12,160 --> 00:23:14,960 Speaker 2: think are coming from kind of like a subculture like 412 00:23:15,080 --> 00:23:21,119 Speaker 2: exotic dancers, you know, strippers, drag queens, drag queens, sex workers. 413 00:23:21,600 --> 00:23:25,880 Speaker 2: There are also there's there's conversation on TikTok as well 414 00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:29,560 Speaker 2: about how a lot of the hyper hyper feminine cosmetic 415 00:23:29,640 --> 00:23:34,640 Speaker 2: procedures were really popularized and perfected by transgender women right 416 00:23:35,080 --> 00:23:39,520 Speaker 2: undergoing different types of gender affirming cosmetic procedures. So for 417 00:23:39,640 --> 00:23:44,639 Speaker 2: that all of that to now trickle into Republican like 418 00:23:44,680 --> 00:23:47,320 Speaker 2: beauty standards, it's all black mirror stuff. 419 00:23:47,480 --> 00:23:51,879 Speaker 1: Christine Nome, the Secretary of Homeland Security, had her teeth redone. 420 00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:54,679 Speaker 1: A Republican strategist told The New York Times that she 421 00:23:55,440 --> 00:23:58,600 Speaker 1: meaning Christy Nome is showing Trump that she works well 422 00:23:58,640 --> 00:24:01,080 Speaker 1: in front of the camera, that she has that star 423 00:24:01,240 --> 00:24:03,720 Speaker 1: power he wants on stage with him, while fitting into 424 00:24:03,720 --> 00:24:07,199 Speaker 1: the mode of women in the Trump universe. And she 425 00:24:07,400 --> 00:24:12,199 Speaker 1: did get elected or appointed, appointed and confirmed into the 426 00:24:12,240 --> 00:24:15,800 Speaker 1: Secretary of Homeland Security position. And as we know, she's 427 00:24:15,840 --> 00:24:17,840 Speaker 1: been in loss that she was in Los Angeles and 428 00:24:17,880 --> 00:24:21,280 Speaker 1: she was like pretending to film a reality TV show. 429 00:24:21,440 --> 00:24:25,280 Speaker 1: She was in the city of Huntington Park terrorizing families 430 00:24:25,320 --> 00:24:26,320 Speaker 1: with a camera crew. 431 00:24:26,680 --> 00:24:27,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, and a full beat. 432 00:24:27,960 --> 00:24:31,280 Speaker 1: And a full beat, and so there is it's like, 433 00:24:31,960 --> 00:24:34,800 Speaker 1: it is that deep. Actually, like actually, let's go there, 434 00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:38,960 Speaker 1: Let's have this conversation of how they're also the horrible. 435 00:24:38,600 --> 00:24:43,040 Speaker 2: People, Yeah, at the exact same time. And it's remembering 436 00:24:43,280 --> 00:24:47,160 Speaker 2: that Donald Trump comes from a reality TV background. Yeah, 437 00:24:47,520 --> 00:24:51,719 Speaker 2: he literally was a reality TV star with The Apprentice 438 00:24:51,800 --> 00:24:54,600 Speaker 2: and like many many seasons, And so he has an 439 00:24:54,680 --> 00:24:57,960 Speaker 2: eye for what is gonna what's gonna play on TV, 440 00:24:58,160 --> 00:25:01,160 Speaker 2: what's gonna play on screen, what's entered hating, what's glitzy, 441 00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:05,240 Speaker 2: what's glamorous. So the White House is now the set 442 00:25:05,359 --> 00:25:07,719 Speaker 2: of a reality TV show in a lot of ways. 443 00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:13,200 Speaker 2: And lawmakers and Republican women are really behaving and presenting 444 00:25:13,240 --> 00:25:16,000 Speaker 2: in ways that are not that different from your average 445 00:25:16,119 --> 00:25:19,680 Speaker 2: reality TV star. You know someone on Love Island, someone 446 00:25:19,720 --> 00:25:22,959 Speaker 2: on Ninety Day Fiance who after the first season, they 447 00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:25,200 Speaker 2: see themselves on TV and then they show up to 448 00:25:25,240 --> 00:25:28,879 Speaker 2: the reunion looking completely different because now, oh I'm on screen, 449 00:25:28,920 --> 00:25:30,840 Speaker 2: Now let me get some work done. 450 00:25:31,160 --> 00:25:33,480 Speaker 1: Yeah. And I think it goes back to we can 451 00:25:33,560 --> 00:25:39,800 Speaker 1: see that transformation on air on TV from regular looking 452 00:25:39,840 --> 00:25:44,879 Speaker 1: people turning into quote, celebrities at least visibly right to 453 00:25:45,720 --> 00:25:48,880 Speaker 1: the eye. We see that transformation documented throughout the seasons. 454 00:25:49,119 --> 00:25:51,679 Speaker 2: I think we can take this entire conversation and apply 455 00:25:51,800 --> 00:25:54,359 Speaker 2: it directly to us to look at thought our radio 456 00:25:54,840 --> 00:25:58,760 Speaker 2: and the fact that we have been recording video of 457 00:25:58,840 --> 00:26:03,760 Speaker 2: our studio sessions for TikTok for YouTube for socials, which 458 00:26:03,840 --> 00:26:07,479 Speaker 2: has not always been part of our podcasting experience and 459 00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:10,040 Speaker 2: actually is one of the reasons why I have always 460 00:26:10,119 --> 00:26:16,000 Speaker 2: loved podcasting, because in the beginning, there wasn't that external 461 00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:20,919 Speaker 2: pressure to record ourselves on video. While we were recording 462 00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:24,560 Speaker 2: our episodes, it was way more about what are we 463 00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:28,920 Speaker 2: talking about, the storytelling, the content, the theme, the topic, 464 00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:32,240 Speaker 2: and now we're in this place where to promote the 465 00:26:32,280 --> 00:26:34,960 Speaker 2: show to connect with our audience, video is very much 466 00:26:35,080 --> 00:26:39,640 Speaker 2: essential because we're on video forward platforms. But what does 467 00:26:39,640 --> 00:26:42,080 Speaker 2: that end up meaning for us? We feel like we 468 00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:45,560 Speaker 2: need to have a look. I feel like I need 469 00:26:45,640 --> 00:26:48,359 Speaker 2: to have lashes on and makeup, and my hair needs 470 00:26:48,359 --> 00:26:50,159 Speaker 2: to be done and my nails need to be done 471 00:26:50,480 --> 00:26:54,720 Speaker 2: because video really lives forever, and people might not go 472 00:26:54,840 --> 00:26:59,840 Speaker 2: into our Apple podcast or Spotify feed and leave disparaging 473 00:26:59,840 --> 00:27:05,040 Speaker 2: comments there, but on video content they absolutely will. And 474 00:27:05,080 --> 00:27:07,720 Speaker 2: that's something that I think, I know I want to avoid, 475 00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:11,399 Speaker 2: and it feels like really important to be glam and 476 00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:12,960 Speaker 2: beautiful on video. 477 00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:18,880 Speaker 1: On the podcast, Yeah, I definitely feel a different pressure 478 00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:21,399 Speaker 1: and a different awareness of myself that I did not 479 00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:23,359 Speaker 1: have when we would come into the studio, whether that 480 00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:27,480 Speaker 1: was at Aspasio or early on of our network seasons, 481 00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:31,239 Speaker 1: because yeah, I do always try to show up with 482 00:27:31,280 --> 00:27:34,879 Speaker 1: like a beat face and a cute look, but now 483 00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:36,719 Speaker 1: it's like, do I have to look at the camera? 484 00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:39,520 Speaker 1: And then when I'm watching clips of myself, I'm looking 485 00:27:39,560 --> 00:27:42,280 Speaker 1: at my face a lot. Oh, I shouldn't have made 486 00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:45,119 Speaker 1: that facial expression, but actually it's just so natural to 487 00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:48,320 Speaker 1: me because I'm talking and I'm in conversation, and before 488 00:27:48,320 --> 00:27:50,719 Speaker 1: I didn't have to worry about those things. But now 489 00:27:50,760 --> 00:27:54,240 Speaker 1: I am nitpicking myself in a way that I did 490 00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:57,320 Speaker 1: not before being on video and being on camera, and 491 00:27:57,400 --> 00:28:01,000 Speaker 1: so there is this added layer. I think of women 492 00:28:01,080 --> 00:28:04,880 Speaker 1: in particular that are on camera, that are working in media, 493 00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:09,119 Speaker 1: that we have to maintain a certain look and in turn, 494 00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:12,639 Speaker 1: like it's just a lot of labor and also expense. 495 00:28:12,800 --> 00:28:15,080 Speaker 1: It's an a funny fence, like, of course I love 496 00:28:15,119 --> 00:28:17,520 Speaker 1: to get my nails and lashes done. I'm doing that regardless, 497 00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:20,639 Speaker 1: but now there's the added pressure of doing it for 498 00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:24,560 Speaker 1: the studio time and work for work, right when we 499 00:28:24,560 --> 00:28:26,160 Speaker 1: didn't have to worry about that before. 500 00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:29,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a lot, it's a lot. And in fact, 501 00:28:29,560 --> 00:28:33,360 Speaker 2: this specifically came up at a panel that we attended 502 00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:37,040 Speaker 2: at gold Diggers for podcasters for audio professionals, and the 503 00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:42,120 Speaker 2: entire topic was about transitioning to video and podcasting on video, 504 00:28:42,520 --> 00:28:44,640 Speaker 2: and that was literally a point that was brought up, 505 00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:48,640 Speaker 2: was the sort of gender economic beauty gap when it 506 00:28:48,680 --> 00:28:52,160 Speaker 2: comes to podcasters who are women and who are now 507 00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:55,800 Speaker 2: podcasting on video, How it's expensive, how there's added labor, 508 00:28:55,960 --> 00:28:58,680 Speaker 2: it's an added step we need to shop for outfits. 509 00:28:58,760 --> 00:29:00,800 Speaker 2: We need to have our lab is done and our 510 00:29:00,800 --> 00:29:05,040 Speaker 2: makeup done, and then but we're also critiquing it and 511 00:29:05,120 --> 00:29:08,440 Speaker 2: commenting on it, you know, but also participating in it. 512 00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:11,880 Speaker 2: And it's I mean, it's this cycle. 513 00:29:12,280 --> 00:29:15,800 Speaker 1: It's this never ending loop where I can now see 514 00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:19,840 Speaker 1: why someone who is on an even bigger platform, like 515 00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:23,760 Speaker 1: say a reality TV show, is then looking at their 516 00:29:23,800 --> 00:29:26,080 Speaker 1: face and thinking, oh, I'm going to change that next 517 00:29:27,040 --> 00:29:29,000 Speaker 1: now that I have some money, I'm going to go 518 00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:31,080 Speaker 1: and get my nose jub or I'm going to go 519 00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:33,840 Speaker 1: get something done right. And so I can definitely see 520 00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:36,400 Speaker 1: how easy it is to fall into that trap at 521 00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:38,920 Speaker 1: a micro scale. At the scale that we're at, I'm 522 00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:42,000 Speaker 1: feeling it. I can only imagine when you have hundreds 523 00:29:42,040 --> 00:29:45,040 Speaker 1: of thousands of people following you and dissecting every single 524 00:29:45,080 --> 00:29:45,760 Speaker 1: thing that you do. 525 00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:50,160 Speaker 2: Yes, it's not only like a desire for perfection, but 526 00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:54,760 Speaker 2: an expectation that you present perfection or else. 527 00:29:55,600 --> 00:30:00,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, because it's also there's this double standard of quote, 528 00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:05,720 Speaker 1: aging gracefully, right, Oh, no one is aging gracefully anymore. 529 00:30:05,800 --> 00:30:08,400 Speaker 1: Nobody is. Everybody's getting their work done and everybody looks 530 00:30:08,440 --> 00:30:12,080 Speaker 1: the same. But then we still want women to age 531 00:30:12,120 --> 00:30:15,200 Speaker 1: gracefully in a beautiful way. I And the person that 532 00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:17,480 Speaker 1: comes to mind is one of the most beautiful, gorgeous 533 00:30:17,520 --> 00:30:20,040 Speaker 1: women in the world, which is Sema Hayek. And everyone 534 00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:23,480 Speaker 1: talks about how she looks so good. She's in her fifties, 535 00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:27,920 Speaker 1: she her body, her everything, her skin. The woman is 536 00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:30,959 Speaker 1: so well resourced. First of all, she's not only does 537 00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:33,080 Speaker 1: she have her own money and her own career, she's 538 00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:36,640 Speaker 1: also married to a very wealthy man. And so it's 539 00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:39,840 Speaker 1: this expectation. I feel that even as Latinas, it's like 540 00:30:39,920 --> 00:30:45,280 Speaker 1: the Latinas like age better right allegedly, And I think 541 00:30:45,320 --> 00:30:47,040 Speaker 1: that I'm like, well, would we be as nice to 542 00:30:47,360 --> 00:30:51,760 Speaker 1: Selma if she wasn't getting work done but also didn't 543 00:30:51,760 --> 00:30:54,320 Speaker 1: look as good, you know? And so it is like 544 00:30:54,560 --> 00:30:57,880 Speaker 1: you have to age gracefully and quote naturally, but do 545 00:30:57,960 --> 00:31:01,320 Speaker 1: it right, make sure it's still beautiful because if not, 546 00:31:01,480 --> 00:31:03,920 Speaker 1: like we should probably get some work done. Don't you 547 00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:04,520 Speaker 1: have the money? 548 00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:05,440 Speaker 2: Yeah? 549 00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:08,280 Speaker 1: And so it's fixed yourself, like you have all the money, 550 00:31:08,320 --> 00:31:09,280 Speaker 1: Like why don't you fix it? 551 00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:11,880 Speaker 2: Why don't you look better? If you're rich, you should 552 00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:13,440 Speaker 2: look better than the way that you do now. 553 00:31:13,720 --> 00:31:16,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think that there has been this argument 554 00:31:16,520 --> 00:31:20,680 Speaker 1: that's been made, especially in the wave of like choice feminism, 555 00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:26,440 Speaker 1: that well, actually it is feminist to change anything on 556 00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:28,480 Speaker 1: you because it's your body and you have the right 557 00:31:28,520 --> 00:31:30,880 Speaker 1: to do that. And while I respect that argument, I 558 00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:34,560 Speaker 1: think the deeper question is, but why what is the pressure? 559 00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:37,800 Speaker 1: Where is that voice coming from that's telling you, like, 560 00:31:37,840 --> 00:31:41,280 Speaker 1: you have to change this thing? Is it yours? Is 561 00:31:41,320 --> 00:31:44,200 Speaker 1: it a parent, is it a partner's is it society? 562 00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:48,960 Speaker 1: Is it a cultural expectation that women look a certain way? 563 00:31:49,160 --> 00:31:52,320 Speaker 1: Is that where it's coming from, Because of course, like 564 00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:56,240 Speaker 1: especially women should have the right to choose what they do, 565 00:31:56,840 --> 00:32:01,520 Speaker 1: but also how like, is it actually white supremacist, patriarchal 566 00:32:01,520 --> 00:32:03,800 Speaker 1: beauty standard that you're trying to conform into. 567 00:32:04,480 --> 00:32:08,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's the illusion of choice in a lot of ways. 568 00:32:08,120 --> 00:32:11,520 Speaker 2: And we sort of talked about this on our Reproductive 569 00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:18,680 Speaker 2: Choice episode where women are getting blamed for not having 570 00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:22,040 Speaker 2: children and for the low birth rate in the country, 571 00:32:22,560 --> 00:32:26,000 Speaker 2: as if it's like a moral failing and it's coming 572 00:32:26,080 --> 00:32:29,480 Speaker 2: from a negative place of personal choice. But what we 573 00:32:29,560 --> 00:32:31,640 Speaker 2: broke down in that episode is that with all of 574 00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:35,640 Speaker 2: the economic and social factors at play, it is almost 575 00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:38,640 Speaker 2: impossible for a lot of people to have children and 576 00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:41,000 Speaker 2: raise a family in the way that maybe we used 577 00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:44,440 Speaker 2: to be able to in the eighties and nineties. And 578 00:32:44,560 --> 00:32:47,840 Speaker 2: I think today when we think about things like job opportunities, 579 00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:51,440 Speaker 2: when we think about social pressure, the amount of cameras 580 00:32:51,520 --> 00:32:55,040 Speaker 2: that we're on at any given time, and even the 581 00:32:55,040 --> 00:32:58,560 Speaker 2: way people treat you when you are thinner or more 582 00:32:58,560 --> 00:33:04,320 Speaker 2: attractive versus when you're heavier or considered conventionally less attractive, 583 00:33:04,840 --> 00:33:07,800 Speaker 2: then it can be really enticing to change the way 584 00:33:07,800 --> 00:33:11,840 Speaker 2: you look to fit the current beauty standard, to have 585 00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:16,560 Speaker 2: better access to job opportunities, or opportunities for love and relationships, 586 00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:19,800 Speaker 2: or just to be treated better in everyday life. And 587 00:33:19,840 --> 00:33:23,080 Speaker 2: people do treat you differently depending on how you look 588 00:33:23,360 --> 00:33:26,240 Speaker 2: or your weight or what have you. It's it's a 589 00:33:26,280 --> 00:33:31,000 Speaker 2: real thing, and so I also want to acknowledge that. 590 00:33:31,240 --> 00:33:33,680 Speaker 2: I mean, we're very beautiful, you know, and so it's 591 00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:38,120 Speaker 2: like easy. I had a situation once where I years ago, 592 00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:41,240 Speaker 2: I made a comment like, oh, I would never, you know, 593 00:33:41,280 --> 00:33:43,360 Speaker 2: get plastic surgery. I wouldn't mess with my face. And 594 00:33:43,480 --> 00:33:45,600 Speaker 2: the person I was talking to said, well, it's easy 595 00:33:45,640 --> 00:33:48,440 Speaker 2: for you to say that because you're pretty, you know, 596 00:33:48,600 --> 00:33:51,280 Speaker 2: and so you don't. You don't have to, you know, 597 00:33:52,080 --> 00:33:56,440 Speaker 2: not everybody who gets plastic surgery is like ugly. But 598 00:33:56,560 --> 00:33:58,840 Speaker 2: I think that's a factor too, is like, if we're 599 00:33:58,880 --> 00:34:02,160 Speaker 2: already sort of meeting the beauty standard or a part 600 00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:06,280 Speaker 2: of the beauty standard, the pressure might not be as 601 00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:07,880 Speaker 2: severe as somebody else. 602 00:34:08,040 --> 00:34:11,640 Speaker 1: Absolutely, absolutely, And of course that is definitely something to 603 00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:15,680 Speaker 1: consider when there. I mean, I'm thinking of even in 604 00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:19,400 Speaker 1: places in Latin America where it is legal, like on 605 00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:24,400 Speaker 1: job listings to list attractive, you have to be an 606 00:34:24,440 --> 00:34:26,719 Speaker 1: attractive woman to work here. Like, it's not even you 607 00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:28,000 Speaker 1: have to be an attractive woman to work here, it's 608 00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:31,440 Speaker 1: just a job qualification attractive. And there are women in 609 00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:36,400 Speaker 1: some countries in Latin America that will get specific elective 610 00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:39,319 Speaker 1: cosmetic procedures done to meet the beauty standards so they 611 00:34:39,320 --> 00:34:41,840 Speaker 1: can get jobs, right, And so that is of course 612 00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:45,319 Speaker 1: a factor here. And we're not even diving into the 613 00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:49,839 Speaker 1: cosmetic procedures in Latin America and how that is that 614 00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:53,279 Speaker 1: is one hundred percent its own podcast episode. But I 615 00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:56,839 Speaker 1: think here more what we're examining and what we've been 616 00:34:56,880 --> 00:35:00,200 Speaker 1: talking about, is the evolution and access to pla sick 617 00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:03,640 Speaker 1: surgery cosmetic surgery and how it may be actually messing 618 00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:08,880 Speaker 1: with our psyche seeing ourselves so often on camera, having 619 00:35:08,920 --> 00:35:11,880 Speaker 1: so much access to also what other people do with 620 00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:14,360 Speaker 1: their bodies, you know. And I like am all for 621 00:35:14,640 --> 00:35:17,840 Speaker 1: like the name of transparency and accountability, especially with folks 622 00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:20,839 Speaker 1: with big accounts who then start like selling I'm gonna 623 00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:24,319 Speaker 1: use like a booty boot camp for example. Right, we 624 00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:26,400 Speaker 1: see influencers do that and it's like, oh, but she 625 00:35:26,480 --> 00:35:30,360 Speaker 1: got work done, which is fine, but like say that too, yeah, 626 00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:32,840 Speaker 1: you know. And so it's just I feel all wrapped 627 00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:39,200 Speaker 1: up in this conversation of plastic surgery meet social media 628 00:35:39,560 --> 00:35:41,920 Speaker 1: and how it just all connects. 629 00:35:42,560 --> 00:35:45,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, it is all. It's all connected, all connected, it's 630 00:35:45,120 --> 00:35:49,960 Speaker 2: all connected. But no, it really really is. And it's 631 00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:52,480 Speaker 2: not only women, I think even like I think of 632 00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:56,080 Speaker 2: two men in the public eye to actors Zac Efron 633 00:35:56,239 --> 00:36:00,840 Speaker 2: and Mickey Rourke, and poor zac Efron, something bad happened 634 00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:03,080 Speaker 2: to his face and it messed up his job big time. 635 00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:04,800 Speaker 1: And yeah, he got into an accident. 636 00:36:04,840 --> 00:36:07,959 Speaker 2: He got into an accident, that's it, and it messed 637 00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:10,439 Speaker 2: up his job big time. And so he looks very 638 00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:13,520 Speaker 2: different differently than he did when he was a young boy. 639 00:36:13,600 --> 00:36:16,640 Speaker 2: On High School Musical, and I think he's somebody who 640 00:36:16,840 --> 00:36:20,120 Speaker 2: is still very handsome even with the changes to his face. 641 00:36:20,600 --> 00:36:24,719 Speaker 2: But the negative attention that he's received, you know, as 642 00:36:24,760 --> 00:36:28,640 Speaker 2: he has been acting more and acting in roles that 643 00:36:28,680 --> 00:36:31,719 Speaker 2: are very different from that like teeny bopper place that 644 00:36:31,800 --> 00:36:34,400 Speaker 2: he was in, and the scrutiny that he's received, and 645 00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:36,640 Speaker 2: I really feel for him. And there was an interview 646 00:36:36,680 --> 00:36:40,000 Speaker 2: that he did on some show where he talked about 647 00:36:40,080 --> 00:36:43,319 Speaker 2: how he didn't eat bread for like ten years, you know, 648 00:36:43,719 --> 00:36:46,400 Speaker 2: and I think in that interview, you see how it 649 00:36:46,480 --> 00:36:48,560 Speaker 2: like hits him, like Wow, that's so sad for me, 650 00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:51,440 Speaker 2: Like how sad for him, you know. And then I 651 00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:55,239 Speaker 2: think also of Mickey Rourke, who he had a ton 652 00:36:55,280 --> 00:36:59,040 Speaker 2: of cosmetic surgery done and he had filler and facelifts 653 00:36:59,080 --> 00:37:01,799 Speaker 2: and all kinds of things, and as an older man, 654 00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:04,120 Speaker 2: it just looks it looks odd on him, you know. 655 00:37:04,360 --> 00:37:07,080 Speaker 2: So I think, you know, it's it's something that can 656 00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:09,520 Speaker 2: touch a lot of different people in a lot of 657 00:37:09,560 --> 00:37:13,000 Speaker 2: different ways for different reasons. And I think for our listeners, 658 00:37:13,040 --> 00:37:15,000 Speaker 2: I just want us all to love ourselves and to 659 00:37:15,080 --> 00:37:18,600 Speaker 2: remember that the only true like reflection of who you 660 00:37:18,640 --> 00:37:20,480 Speaker 2: are and what you look like, I think, is the 661 00:37:20,520 --> 00:37:22,839 Speaker 2: way the people we love see us. You know, it's 662 00:37:22,840 --> 00:37:26,680 Speaker 2: not the mirror, it's not the camera, it's not the screen. 663 00:37:27,120 --> 00:37:30,600 Speaker 2: It's really like the eyes of people who truly see 664 00:37:30,680 --> 00:37:33,359 Speaker 2: us and who care for us and who love us. 665 00:37:33,400 --> 00:37:36,440 Speaker 2: And I think that if those people think we're beautiful, 666 00:37:36,440 --> 00:37:37,520 Speaker 2: then we must be beautiful. 667 00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:40,120 Speaker 1: That's a really beautiful note to end on. So thank 668 00:37:40,160 --> 00:37:42,239 Speaker 1: you so much. Look I'm on is for listening to 669 00:37:42,239 --> 00:37:44,880 Speaker 1: another episode of Loka Thought a Radio. Let us know 670 00:37:44,920 --> 00:37:47,960 Speaker 1: what you think of this one. To me, this feels 671 00:37:47,960 --> 00:37:50,560 Speaker 1: like an og Loka Thought episode. We just we laid 672 00:37:50,600 --> 00:37:53,040 Speaker 1: out some stuff for the canon for the Loka Thought 673 00:37:53,040 --> 00:37:53,799 Speaker 1: a canon. 674 00:37:53,719 --> 00:37:54,520 Speaker 2: For the archive. 675 00:37:54,800 --> 00:37:57,359 Speaker 1: For the archive. All right, Look I'm on is. We'll 676 00:37:57,440 --> 00:38:00,600 Speaker 1: catch you next time, bets see it. 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