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Speaker 2: What's going on?

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Speaker 3: Everyone, Emily A body here. You are listening to episode

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Speaker 3: three hundred and twenty two of Hurdle, a wellness focused

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Speaker 3: podcast where I talk to inspirational people about everything from

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Speaker 3: their highest highs and toughest moments to essential tips on

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Speaker 3: how to live a healthier, happier, more motivated life. We

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Speaker 3: all go through our fair share of hurdles. My goal

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Speaker 3: through these discussions is to empower you to better navigate

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Speaker 3: some fun along the way. Speaking of fun, you can

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Speaker 3: hear it in my voice. We are out here in Chicago,

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Speaker 3: of Hurdle's favorites, Dez Lindon. She's a Boston Marathon champion,

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Speaker 3: she's an Olympian and helpful to this conversation, she's a

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Speaker 3: captain for every Woman's Marathon this November. Does and I

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Speaker 3: Whether you're a beginner or a veteran, there is so

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Speaker 3: this episode is loaded with the best content. Whether you're

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Speaker 3: Make sure you're following along with Hurdle over on social

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Speaker 3: It's at Hurdle podcast. I am over at Emily a

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Speaker 2: Let's get to hurdling.

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Speaker 3: Honored to welcome Des Linden back to hurdle I hate

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Speaker 1: Does how we doing doing great? That little captain ad

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Speaker 1: that sort of anticipation. But a thing too to look

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00:20:33,160 --> 00:20:35,800
Speaker 1: back yet, I think, is just your training lug. I

438
00:20:35,840 --> 00:20:39,800
Speaker 1: think so many people start and they're wondering, can I

439
00:20:39,880 --> 00:20:43,840
Speaker 1: even do this? Is this feasible? I've never run more

440
00:20:43,880 --> 00:20:47,280
Speaker 1: than three miles before, or whatever your number is. Maybe

441
00:20:47,280 --> 00:20:49,280
Speaker 1: you haven't, you know, even bought running shoes and taken

442
00:20:49,280 --> 00:20:52,160
Speaker 1: a step, and you signed up for this marathon. Go

443
00:20:52,200 --> 00:20:54,880
Speaker 1: back and look at where you started and see all

444
00:20:54,920 --> 00:20:59,520
Speaker 1: that progress, all that work, and just believe in yourself.

445
00:20:59,560 --> 00:21:01,760
Speaker 1: Because if you've done the work and you look at

446
00:21:01,760 --> 00:21:06,440
Speaker 1: where you've began and where you're at now, it's so fun.

447
00:21:06,480 --> 00:21:08,760
Speaker 1: You're gonna have so much fun just proving that you

448
00:21:08,760 --> 00:21:10,280
Speaker 1: can do this thing to yourself.

449
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Speaker 3: Yeah, the rest of it just really truly becomes, as

450
00:21:13,520 --> 00:21:17,040
Speaker 3: you said, a matter of logistics. And I really appreciate

451
00:21:17,160 --> 00:21:21,159
Speaker 3: this thought process that remind yourself, you chose to do

452
00:21:21,240 --> 00:21:25,240
Speaker 3: this hard thing. You paid probably to do this hard thing,

453
00:21:25,600 --> 00:21:27,399
Speaker 3: and that means that, yes, it's.

454
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Speaker 2: Gonna be hard. Right.

455
00:21:29,200 --> 00:21:33,280
Speaker 3: It's very rarely that anyone shows up to a marathon

456
00:21:33,400 --> 00:21:37,360
Speaker 3: and walks away saying that was an absolute breeze, right.

457
00:21:37,280 --> 00:21:40,960
Speaker 1: Easy peasy. When's the next one? If if they do,

458
00:21:41,920 --> 00:21:44,359
Speaker 1: you go, well, why didn't you run faster? You know,

459
00:21:44,520 --> 00:21:46,879
Speaker 1: like we always move the goalposts a little bit, And

460
00:21:46,960 --> 00:21:49,359
Speaker 1: so if you do get to the finish and you're like, well,

461
00:21:49,400 --> 00:21:52,600
Speaker 1: that was I overrated, that I overestimated that, Like, then

462
00:21:52,600 --> 00:21:54,720
Speaker 1: you got to set a bigger goal for the next one.

463
00:21:55,000 --> 00:21:56,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, apple, goble to running.

464
00:21:56,440 --> 00:21:59,040
Speaker 3: And then also appicle will beyond running, Which brings me

465
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Speaker 3: to this question. You have, as you said, a thirty

466
00:22:02,720 --> 00:22:06,040
Speaker 3: plus of these or so under your belt, give or take.

467
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Speaker 3: What would you say has been one of the predominant

468
00:22:09,840 --> 00:22:13,119
Speaker 3: lessons that you've taken away from all of this time

469
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Speaker 3: running das what stands out to you.

470
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Speaker 1: I mean, I think I've learned a lot. I've learned

471
00:22:18,560 --> 00:22:22,720
Speaker 1: to be patient because I think we're in this It's

472
00:22:22,720 --> 00:22:25,159
Speaker 1: not even like an era. This is just like people

473
00:22:25,200 --> 00:22:28,360
Speaker 1: and humans in general. Instant gratification is king. We want

474
00:22:28,359 --> 00:22:30,040
Speaker 1: what we want now, we want to be comfortable, we

475
00:22:30,080 --> 00:22:33,440
Speaker 1: want to upgrade all of those things, and in running

476
00:22:35,119 --> 00:22:37,720
Speaker 1: the rewards really far down the line. So I've learned

477
00:22:37,760 --> 00:22:40,320
Speaker 1: patience and I've learned to apply that to life in general,

478
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Speaker 1: Like you have to work really hard, you have to

479
00:22:41,840 --> 00:22:44,359
Speaker 1: work hard for a long time, and you might not

480
00:22:44,440 --> 00:22:47,959
Speaker 1: get that reward right away, but if you keep chipping

481
00:22:47,960 --> 00:22:51,320
Speaker 1: away at it, keep showing up, it'll pay off eventually

482
00:22:51,520 --> 00:22:55,480
Speaker 1: and in a big way hopefully. So that's definitely the

483
00:22:55,480 --> 00:22:58,920
Speaker 1: biggie for me. Is just is patience, And I think

484
00:23:00,640 --> 00:23:03,000
Speaker 1: I don't know. I also think that we always surprise

485
00:23:03,080 --> 00:23:07,200
Speaker 1: ourselves about what we can achieve and accomplish, Like there's

486
00:23:07,200 --> 00:23:09,840
Speaker 1: no reason to set barriers and boundaries, like be open

487
00:23:09,880 --> 00:23:12,320
Speaker 1: to the possibility that you can do something incredible that

488
00:23:12,440 --> 00:23:13,760
Speaker 1: exceeded your expectations.

489
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Speaker 3: I think that's like the thing that I always come

490
00:23:16,480 --> 00:23:20,320
Speaker 3: back to is that it always reminds me that I

491
00:23:20,359 --> 00:23:24,879
Speaker 3: am capable. Period, I get through a hard run or

492
00:23:25,000 --> 00:23:29,639
Speaker 3: finish one that I didn't think was possible, and I

493
00:23:29,720 --> 00:23:33,040
Speaker 3: have a new dose of this medicine that reminds me

494
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Speaker 3: what I'm really capable of.

495
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Speaker 2: And that's a really awesome feeling.

496
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Speaker 3: And I candidly like, haven't found many other things in

497
00:23:41,040 --> 00:23:44,280
Speaker 3: life that instill that in me time after time when

498
00:23:44,280 --> 00:23:45,200
Speaker 3: I go back for more.

499
00:23:45,840 --> 00:23:48,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I think it is something that always

500
00:23:48,840 --> 00:23:50,560
Speaker 1: draws us back to running. It's why it kind of

501
00:23:50,600 --> 00:23:53,199
Speaker 1: never gets old, because there's some new goal, there's some

502
00:23:53,320 --> 00:23:56,199
Speaker 1: new barrier you're about to break down if you just

503
00:23:56,240 --> 00:23:57,000
Speaker 1: chip away at it.

504
00:23:57,760 --> 00:24:01,560
Speaker 3: Speaking of in the act of it, the day of

505
00:24:01,720 --> 00:24:04,840
Speaker 3: the race day, with so many under your belt before,

506
00:24:04,960 --> 00:24:08,080
Speaker 3: I'm sure you've made perhaps a mistake.

507
00:24:07,840 --> 00:24:09,480
Speaker 2: Or two along the way.

508
00:24:09,680 --> 00:24:13,000
Speaker 3: Any stories you can share, so maybe we can either

509
00:24:13,359 --> 00:24:16,760
Speaker 3: share in your great experience and maybe have a little

510
00:24:16,760 --> 00:24:19,199
Speaker 3: bit of a laugh or avoid that moving forward.

511
00:24:19,800 --> 00:24:22,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think one is a standout. I'm sure I've

512
00:24:22,920 --> 00:24:25,879
Speaker 1: made a ton, but definitely a stand out. In my

513
00:24:26,040 --> 00:24:30,199
Speaker 1: second marathon, it was the Olympic trials in Boston. I

514
00:24:30,240 --> 00:24:33,359
Speaker 1: was having trouble with fueling, and so it was early

515
00:24:33,440 --> 00:24:35,960
Speaker 1: on and I was just like, I just I can't

516
00:24:36,040 --> 00:24:38,840
Speaker 1: take any liquids in. I can't take any so I'm

517
00:24:38,840 --> 00:24:41,600
Speaker 1: just not going to take them because I'm ejecting them.

518
00:24:42,040 --> 00:24:44,520
Speaker 1: And that was early on, and you know, honestly, to

519
00:24:44,600 --> 00:24:47,840
Speaker 1: cover twenty six twenty two miles, you do need fuel,

520
00:24:48,040 --> 00:24:51,639
Speaker 1: you do need nutrition as you're going. So with about

521
00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:54,639
Speaker 1: I think amout twenty two or so, I was in

522
00:24:54,920 --> 00:24:57,800
Speaker 1: fourth place, like eight seconds out of third. I was like,

523
00:24:57,840 --> 00:24:59,720
Speaker 1: I got this. I'm going to make this Olympic team.

524
00:24:59,760 --> 00:25:02,080
Speaker 1: And then I've experienced what is known as the wall,

525
00:25:02,640 --> 00:25:05,959
Speaker 1: and I probably ran like seven minute pace and it

526
00:25:06,040 --> 00:25:08,160
Speaker 1: felt like I was out there for the second half

527
00:25:08,280 --> 00:25:11,360
Speaker 1: of that marathon. I felt like another you know, thirteen miles.

528
00:25:11,440 --> 00:25:14,679
Speaker 1: So they do say twenty miles is the halfway of

529
00:25:14,720 --> 00:25:18,359
Speaker 1: the marathon, and mathematically you're like, that doesn't check out. Well,

530
00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:21,040
Speaker 1: when you're out there, you'll understand that there's a whole

531
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Speaker 1: another race after that twenty mile mark, So you want

532
00:25:24,600 --> 00:25:27,280
Speaker 1: to fuel so you can get yourself through it, which

533
00:25:27,320 --> 00:25:30,400
Speaker 1: I did not do. And I learned and then I fixed, and.

534
00:25:30,359 --> 00:25:34,080
Speaker 3: Then I fixed, and then you had much success moving forward,

535
00:25:35,119 --> 00:25:36,040
Speaker 3: you brought up the wall.

536
00:25:36,080 --> 00:25:38,160
Speaker 2: We've got to talk about the wall. What happens when

537
00:25:38,160 --> 00:25:38,760
Speaker 2: you hit the wall?

538
00:25:38,760 --> 00:25:41,000
Speaker 3: Over those that may have never hit the wall, what

539
00:25:41,040 --> 00:25:43,560
Speaker 3: do you do talk to us as.

540
00:25:43,760 --> 00:25:47,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think the best thing for you to think

541
00:25:47,119 --> 00:25:51,800
Speaker 1: about is never really finding the wall. And that's again,

542
00:25:51,880 --> 00:25:54,680
Speaker 1: it's mostly a fueling thing. I go back to my

543
00:25:54,760 --> 00:25:58,159
Speaker 1: Arizona State days where it's drink early, drink often. You

544
00:25:58,240 --> 00:26:00,960
Speaker 1: want to be hydrating and getting in carealies and nutrition

545
00:26:01,520 --> 00:26:03,600
Speaker 1: early on the race. You might not be thirsty yet,

546
00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:05,440
Speaker 1: you might not be feeling like I need a gel.

547
00:26:05,480 --> 00:26:08,160
Speaker 1: I'm not like hungry, but you want to keep your

548
00:26:08,520 --> 00:26:12,640
Speaker 1: glycogen stores full and take topped off for as long

549
00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:14,600
Speaker 1: as possible. So think of it as like topping off

550
00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:16,960
Speaker 1: your gas tank. Topping off your gas tank, it's eventually

551
00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:20,840
Speaker 1: gonna be empty. But if that thing is empty at

552
00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:24,639
Speaker 1: mile eighteen, you'll see the wall at twenty. If you

553
00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:26,520
Speaker 1: can keep topping it off, keep topping it off, you

554
00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:29,240
Speaker 1: might get to like twenty one twenty two where you

555
00:26:29,320 --> 00:26:32,440
Speaker 1: start running on fumes and then you know, that's that's

556
00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:34,880
Speaker 1: what we train for. That's why you do the long runs,

557
00:26:34,880 --> 00:26:36,560
Speaker 1: that's why you do the mileage. That's why you do

558
00:26:36,600 --> 00:26:39,639
Speaker 1: the workouts because again, like we said, it is inevitable

559
00:26:39,640 --> 00:26:42,920
Speaker 1: that it's going to get hard and the wall it

560
00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:46,040
Speaker 1: finds you at eighteen nineteen where you just didn't fuel right,

561
00:26:46,600 --> 00:26:49,280
Speaker 1: The toughness can be managed if you feel right, and

562
00:26:49,320 --> 00:26:52,320
Speaker 1: it's not necessarily a wall, it's just maybe a hill.

563
00:26:52,720 --> 00:27:00,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, a little hurdle, yes, well god, but yeah, I

564
00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:04,520
Speaker 3: mean fueling, like you said, can definitely be a whole

565
00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:09,080
Speaker 3: beast within itself. And that back to your point from earlier,

566
00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:13,080
Speaker 3: is why we take these runs, especially the long runs

567
00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:17,640
Speaker 3: as a dress rehearsal, as an opportunity to really use

568
00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:21,920
Speaker 3: what you plan on using on race day yourself. Now,

569
00:27:22,160 --> 00:27:25,959
Speaker 3: just cross checked, there's Goo liquid Energy gells on the course.

570
00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:29,280
Speaker 3: With that said, maybe you like goo, maybe you don't.

571
00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:32,199
Speaker 3: I've used goo, I do enjoy goo, But I'm just

572
00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:36,159
Speaker 3: saying that even though there is goo on the course,

573
00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:39,680
Speaker 3: I would say, make sure you bring what you plan

574
00:27:39,760 --> 00:27:43,600
Speaker 3: on consuming during this marathon like that, in my head

575
00:27:44,080 --> 00:27:47,160
Speaker 3: as a safety precaution has always been like the bonus

576
00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:50,080
Speaker 3: fuel in that, like if you find yourself hitting the wall,

577
00:27:50,280 --> 00:27:53,160
Speaker 3: if something happens with whatever you brought with you that's

578
00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:54,400
Speaker 3: there as like a safety net.

579
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Speaker 2: Would you agree, Yes, I.

580
00:27:56,200 --> 00:27:59,160
Speaker 1: Think that's a great tactic. I think you don't ever

581
00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:02,520
Speaker 1: want to rely on it or could run out. You

582
00:28:02,560 --> 00:28:04,159
Speaker 1: could just not be able to get to the table.

583
00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:07,040
Speaker 1: So if you have yours on you And then there's

584
00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:09,119
Speaker 1: the other element of like maybe you just don't like

585
00:28:09,119 --> 00:28:12,919
Speaker 1: the flavor. So whatever you practice with the flavor, the

586
00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:15,640
Speaker 1: whole thing, like, don't mix it up, like, oh, let

587
00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:18,800
Speaker 1: me try this, I don't know salty caramel that I've

588
00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:21,480
Speaker 1: never tried, Like, it just might not work, So stick

589
00:28:21,480 --> 00:28:24,640
Speaker 1: with what you know and then worst case scenario, grab

590
00:28:24,680 --> 00:28:25,320
Speaker 1: from the tables.

591
00:28:25,560 --> 00:28:28,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, oh, there's nothing worse than getting a flavor that's

592
00:28:28,359 --> 00:28:31,640
Speaker 3: just like not your jam. I know in my decade

593
00:28:31,680 --> 00:28:34,760
Speaker 3: plus of running personally, I go through phases for sure.

594
00:28:34,840 --> 00:28:37,159
Speaker 3: And ten years ago I was a chocolate phase. And

595
00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:41,600
Speaker 3: now if you gave me a chocolate new I might projectile.

596
00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:41,480
Speaker 2: On the spot.

597
00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:43,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, that checks out.

598
00:28:43,280 --> 00:28:46,200
Speaker 3: It's not it, it's not it, okay. And so we've

599
00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:48,360
Speaker 3: talked about so many of that things here. Fueling the

600
00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:51,640
Speaker 3: month leading up to the race, dealing with the anxiety

601
00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:54,760
Speaker 3: coming into race day. Another popular question that comes in

602
00:28:55,240 --> 00:28:59,480
Speaker 3: is about sleep, something that can be a big stressor

603
00:28:59,520 --> 00:29:02,880
Speaker 3: for individ jewels, especially in the days leading up to

604
00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:03,960
Speaker 3: when you tow the starting line.

605
00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:06,000
Speaker 2: I'm sure you get questions about sleep all the time.

606
00:29:06,280 --> 00:29:09,320
Speaker 3: What do you tell folks when it comes to the

607
00:29:09,360 --> 00:29:12,080
Speaker 3: importance of sleep in the weeks and then the days

608
00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:13,000
Speaker 3: leading up to that race.

609
00:29:13,560 --> 00:29:16,240
Speaker 1: I think in the training and kind of leading up

610
00:29:16,280 --> 00:29:19,719
Speaker 1: to it's super important, and I think it's something we

611
00:29:19,760 --> 00:29:23,000
Speaker 1: should prioritize, particularly if it's possible for you and you

612
00:29:23,040 --> 00:29:25,960
Speaker 1: just haven't made it a thing that is something important

613
00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:28,760
Speaker 1: to you. We set alarms in the morning to wake up,

614
00:29:29,560 --> 00:29:31,600
Speaker 1: set your alarm for when you want to get to

615
00:29:31,640 --> 00:29:34,120
Speaker 1: bed or when you want to start thinking about getting

616
00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:36,720
Speaker 1: to bed, and then second second alarm to like, okay,

617
00:29:36,760 --> 00:29:39,840
Speaker 1: this is final, like last call in bed in ten minutes,

618
00:29:40,520 --> 00:29:43,400
Speaker 1: and make it a priority. And if those things leading

619
00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:47,040
Speaker 1: in are going to be super helpful, because the week

620
00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:48,960
Speaker 1: of is going to be a little bit harder, you're

621
00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:51,120
Speaker 1: probably going to be thinking a lot more about the race.

622
00:29:51,320 --> 00:29:54,400
Speaker 1: Just a little bit of nervous energy the couple days

623
00:29:54,400 --> 00:29:57,720
Speaker 1: out shouldn't be that bad. But if you've done, you know,

624
00:29:58,040 --> 00:30:01,760
Speaker 1: all your diligent work ahead of time less important and

625
00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:04,000
Speaker 1: then the night before you're just not going to sleep

626
00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:06,720
Speaker 1: that well. Like that, Don't let that worry you. There's

627
00:30:06,760 --> 00:30:09,040
Speaker 1: too many things. You're nervous about the race. You're nervous

628
00:30:09,040 --> 00:30:12,000
Speaker 1: about missing your alarm, You're nervous about all of those things.

629
00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:14,840
Speaker 1: So if the couple nights out, like two nights out,

630
00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:18,400
Speaker 1: really focus on getting that sleep. Take a nap if

631
00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:21,720
Speaker 1: you need to the day before. But if you have

632
00:30:21,800 --> 00:30:25,880
Speaker 1: a bad night sleep the night before the race, don't stress.

633
00:30:25,520 --> 00:30:28,840
Speaker 1: It's it's totally normal, totally natural, and it's going to

634
00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:31,680
Speaker 1: be probably an unusual start time wake up call for

635
00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:34,680
Speaker 1: you anyhow, So just a lot of little tweaks to

636
00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:36,000
Speaker 1: your normal routine there.

637
00:30:36,440 --> 00:30:38,760
Speaker 3: I do want to make sure that we do a

638
00:30:38,840 --> 00:30:43,600
Speaker 3: specific to every woman's marathon component here. Is there anything

639
00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:46,680
Speaker 3: that you know about the course that people should look

640
00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:49,280
Speaker 3: out for. I know that you said that in terms

641
00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:52,840
Speaker 3: of elevation and whatnot, it's nothing too crazy, but anything

642
00:30:52,840 --> 00:30:54,280
Speaker 3: else you can highlight for us.

643
00:30:55,360 --> 00:30:57,720
Speaker 1: I think it's going to be a very forgiving course.

644
00:30:57,880 --> 00:31:01,719
Speaker 1: It's pretty flat. One thing we didn't talk about with

645
00:31:01,800 --> 00:31:05,760
Speaker 1: the wall was going out too hard, So there's no

646
00:31:05,920 --> 00:31:08,600
Speaker 1: like dramatic downhills that are gonna make you go out

647
00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:10,200
Speaker 1: too hard. You're gonna be able to dial into your

648
00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:14,120
Speaker 1: pace quite quickly by just checking splits. You know, those

649
00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:16,560
Speaker 1: first couple of miles will probably feel really good. You're tapered,

650
00:31:16,600 --> 00:31:20,560
Speaker 1: you're excited, it's race morning. Don't decide that you're going

651
00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:22,720
Speaker 1: to try and pr by five minutes because you feel

652
00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:27,080
Speaker 1: amazing at mile five, like hold back until twenty. If

653
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Speaker 1: you feel that same way at twenty, by all means

654
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Speaker 1: like rip all that time back. So don't go out

655
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Speaker 1: too hard. And I think the course is going to

656
00:31:34,280 --> 00:31:36,400
Speaker 1: allow you to really lock into your rhythm, just because

657
00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:40,800
Speaker 1: it's flat and pretty straightforward. The other thing I've heard,

658
00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:44,520
Speaker 1: which you know, not really about the profile or anything

659
00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:48,560
Speaker 1: super interesting, but I've heard it's gorgeous, like absolutely scenic,

660
00:31:48,560 --> 00:31:51,960
Speaker 1: a lot to look around at and enjoy, which you're

661
00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:53,840
Speaker 1: gonna have moments where you just want to kind of

662
00:31:53,840 --> 00:31:56,520
Speaker 1: tune out. You don't want to be super focused on

663
00:31:57,120 --> 00:31:59,400
Speaker 1: nutrition or pace or you just need to like take

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Speaker 1: a little breathe or enjoy the scenery. I think it's

665
00:32:02,040 --> 00:32:03,320
Speaker 1: going to beautiful.

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Speaker 2: And I think it's awesome.

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Speaker 3: I mean, obviously within the name every Woman's Marathon, but

668
00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:12,000
Speaker 3: I've run a race or two that we're for exclusively women,

669
00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:13,920
Speaker 3: and the vibes are so high.

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00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:16,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's going to be awesome. There's just so many

671
00:32:17,760 --> 00:32:21,160
Speaker 1: people trying to tackle a challenge that's completely new, and

672
00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:24,400
Speaker 1: you get a lot of people taking a risk together

673
00:32:24,600 --> 00:32:27,600
Speaker 1: and trying something new together, and it's just like a

674
00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:30,000
Speaker 1: natural camaraderie. So I feel like you're really going to

675
00:32:30,040 --> 00:32:32,040
Speaker 1: feel that in the course, and it's going to be

676
00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:35,720
Speaker 1: really encouraging because everyone. I feel like we are in

677
00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:38,920
Speaker 1: an era where women are lifting other women up instead

678
00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:40,840
Speaker 1: of being like I want to rip your face off,

679
00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:44,440
Speaker 1: which you can be competitive too, that's totally fine, but

680
00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:46,120
Speaker 1: I feel like, you know, the energy is going to

681
00:32:46,120 --> 00:32:47,719
Speaker 1: be like I want to help you have your best day,

682
00:32:47,760 --> 00:32:49,520
Speaker 1: and I want to have my best day, and maybe

683
00:32:49,520 --> 00:32:51,400
Speaker 1: I beat you and maybe I don't. But you know,

684
00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:53,440
Speaker 1: it's a supportive community out there.

685
00:32:53,640 --> 00:32:55,080
Speaker 2: We love a supportive community.

686
00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:59,120
Speaker 3: Now, of course, as you know, no marathon is complete

687
00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:01,520
Speaker 3: without a little host marathon celebration.

688
00:33:01,720 --> 00:33:04,080
Speaker 2: Let's talk a little bit about the aftermath.

689
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Speaker 3: What else would you tell someone to do once they're

690
00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:10,000
Speaker 3: done with the marathon, either in the hours after or

691
00:33:10,040 --> 00:33:11,320
Speaker 3: in the days and weeks following.

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00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:14,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, I encourage everyone to try and be an athlete

693
00:33:14,560 --> 00:33:17,560
Speaker 1: for at least thirty two an hour, thirty minutes to

694
00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:19,680
Speaker 1: an hour after the race, like, yes, you've crossed the

695
00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:23,080
Speaker 1: finish line, like shoes in the trash, we're done, but

696
00:33:23,600 --> 00:33:25,400
Speaker 1: just pump the brakes a little bit, try to get

697
00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:28,600
Speaker 1: in some nutrition. I'm sure they'll have chocolate milk at

698
00:33:28,600 --> 00:33:31,120
Speaker 1: the finish line, which is a great recovery drink. You're

699
00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:33,720
Speaker 1: not gonna want a lot of heavy food right away,

700
00:33:33,760 --> 00:33:35,920
Speaker 1: but you do need something to just help start that

701
00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:40,160
Speaker 1: recovery process. So chocolate milk, hid protein, good blend of

702
00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:43,560
Speaker 1: carbs is a great option. Or get some type of

703
00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:45,800
Speaker 1: recovery mix that's similar to that if that doesn't sit

704
00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:48,400
Speaker 1: well in your stomach. And then if you can find

705
00:33:48,400 --> 00:33:50,880
Speaker 1: a little spot for a massage that might be offered

706
00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:53,160
Speaker 1: down at the festival or if you set it up

707
00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:56,440
Speaker 1: at your hotel, A nice light flush, nothing crazy, that

708
00:33:56,480 --> 00:33:58,840
Speaker 1: goes a long way. And then the last one people

709
00:33:58,880 --> 00:34:01,760
Speaker 1: hate this one rally if you can do it, extra

710
00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:04,440
Speaker 1: bonus points, but a nice little ice bath, like you know,

711
00:34:04,560 --> 00:34:07,320
Speaker 1: ten minutes just cool water just kind of bring down

712
00:34:07,320 --> 00:34:10,960
Speaker 1: the inflammation and that goes a long way as well.

713
00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:14,080
Speaker 1: So those are immediately afterwards. Then go do your celebration,

714
00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:17,200
Speaker 1: go crazy, have your you know, burger with halapeno as

715
00:34:17,200 --> 00:34:21,359
Speaker 1: your nachos, whatever your jam is. Do that, I think

716
00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:25,279
Speaker 1: for long term recovery in a couple days to weeks afterwards.

717
00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:28,840
Speaker 1: I generally take two weeks off after a marathon. I

718
00:34:28,920 --> 00:34:33,000
Speaker 1: will leave my shoes behind, go on a vacation. But again,

719
00:34:33,080 --> 00:34:36,439
Speaker 1: this is like being an athlete immediately following the race.

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00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:38,480
Speaker 1: The next morning, if you can go out and shuffle,

721
00:34:39,160 --> 00:34:43,120
Speaker 1: you know, five to ten minute jog, get a little

722
00:34:43,239 --> 00:34:46,879
Speaker 1: evaluation of your body, like what's sore, what's like beat

723
00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:50,759
Speaker 1: up from the marathon? And then does anything feel like

724
00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:53,520
Speaker 1: maybe an injury, Because if it's an injury, you can

725
00:34:53,560 --> 00:34:57,480
Speaker 1: tackle that during your downtime, really focus on getting healthy.

726
00:34:57,600 --> 00:35:01,239
Speaker 1: If it's soreness, you know, you can aquajog, train or

727
00:35:01,239 --> 00:35:04,040
Speaker 1: maybe do some light jogging active recovery during your downtime,

728
00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:08,560
Speaker 1: But it's a little less important than if it's an

729
00:35:08,600 --> 00:35:10,520
Speaker 1: injury that you really need to tackle aggressively.

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00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:12,960
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, are you trying to tell me that you

731
00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:15,240
Speaker 3: actually take a nice bath after you run a marathon?

732
00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:18,040
Speaker 1: Of course not. It's who as I'd say, not as

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Speaker 1: I do.

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Speaker 3: I knew you were going to say that. And then

735
00:35:21,640 --> 00:35:23,320
Speaker 3: what your post marathon meal.

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00:35:23,160 --> 00:35:27,279
Speaker 1: Does usually a burger, definitely, like the spicy on it,

737
00:35:27,320 --> 00:35:31,000
Speaker 1: like the Halapano's fries. Treble fries are great, and then

738
00:35:31,080 --> 00:35:32,200
Speaker 1: like a good beer.

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00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:35,279
Speaker 3: Oh you and I two peas in a pod. So

740
00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:38,440
Speaker 3: much good stuff in here, so much great wisdom. I

741
00:35:38,600 --> 00:35:41,160
Speaker 3: would be remiss if I didn't at least open the floor.

742
00:35:41,400 --> 00:35:43,439
Speaker 3: Is there something that we've missed? Is there any other

743
00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:47,480
Speaker 3: wisdom that you want to provide to our aspiring marathoners, beginners,

744
00:35:47,520 --> 00:35:48,960
Speaker 3: veterans and everyone in between.

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00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:53,160
Speaker 1: I mean, it's just so exciting to see people sign

746
00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:57,840
Speaker 1: up for marathons, train through them, get better, and I

747
00:35:57,880 --> 00:36:00,560
Speaker 1: want everyone to have an awesome experience. Go out and

748
00:36:00,600 --> 00:36:03,279
Speaker 1: have so much fun, don't go out too hard, and

749
00:36:03,320 --> 00:36:05,520
Speaker 1: then pick it up and just enjoy the heck out

750
00:36:05,520 --> 00:36:07,640
Speaker 1: of the last six miles so that you want to

751
00:36:07,680 --> 00:36:10,359
Speaker 1: do another one. And if it doesn't go your way,

752
00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:13,760
Speaker 1: if you do hit the wall, come back and try again,

753
00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:16,920
Speaker 1: because there's just just stack one on top of the

754
00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:18,279
Speaker 1: other on top of the other, and you just get

755
00:36:18,320 --> 00:36:21,600
Speaker 1: better and better, just like this lifelong sport you can do.

756
00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:26,000
Speaker 1: And you know the running community wants you out there.

757
00:36:26,080 --> 00:36:29,359
Speaker 1: We love seeing new people and we hope you have

758
00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:30,239
Speaker 1: the best time ever.

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00:36:30,640 --> 00:36:31,000
Speaker 2: We do.

760
00:36:31,120 --> 00:36:33,240
Speaker 3: We hope you have the best time ever. So happy

761
00:36:33,239 --> 00:36:35,000
Speaker 3: that we were able to have this little convo.

762
00:36:35,120 --> 00:36:35,799
Speaker 2: For those that.

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00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:39,319
Speaker 3: Don't follow along with you just yet, well, firstly, if

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00:36:39,320 --> 00:36:42,239
Speaker 3: they'll be at everyone's marathon, they'll definitely get to see

765
00:36:42,280 --> 00:36:46,160
Speaker 3: you at the pre marathon day of festivities on November fifteenth.

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00:36:46,200 --> 00:36:48,360
Speaker 3: For those that might not be there, how do they

767
00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:50,480
Speaker 3: keep up with you? How do they listen to your podcast?

768
00:36:50,560 --> 00:36:51,560
Speaker 3: Give us the details?

769
00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:54,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm on the Twitter, I guess I don't know

770
00:36:54,760 --> 00:36:57,840
Speaker 1: what it's called these days, and the Instagram does underscore

771
00:36:58,000 --> 00:37:00,840
Speaker 1: Linden seeing keep up with me. I'm also on a

772
00:37:00,840 --> 00:37:04,200
Speaker 1: podcast with Carri Goucher called Nobody asked us if you

773
00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:06,880
Speaker 1: really get into this running thing. We get into the

774
00:37:06,960 --> 00:37:09,960
Speaker 1: nitty gritty, the really nerdy running stuff. So you know,

775
00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:12,640
Speaker 1: if you graduate to that, we will love to have

776
00:37:12,719 --> 00:37:13,040
Speaker 1: you over.

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00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:14,839
Speaker 2: I love it.

778
00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:17,520
Speaker 3: I'm over at Hurdle podcast at Emily a Body and

779
00:37:17,560 --> 00:37:20,600
Speaker 3: I can advocate that Dez is a great great Twitter

780
00:37:20,680 --> 00:37:22,640
Speaker 3: follow another hurdle conquered.

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Speaker 2: Gotch you guys, next time