Speaker 1: They're not solid like a striper and not like you
Speaker 1: can't like give him a punch and send him back.
Speaker 1: That's an old law and it's almost as unvalid as
Speaker 1: the New Jersey State large mouth record. When they got
Speaker 1: the fish close enough to see it roll in their
Speaker 1: head laps, doctor's young daughter blurted out, holy shit, this
Speaker 1: is the dumbest, just the most pokey thing ever, maybe
Speaker 1: even on part with the Penis Lord. Good morning, degenerate anglers.
Speaker 1: Welcome to Bent the Fishing podcast that ranks Captain Ron,
Speaker 1: Backdraft and Nothing but Trouble among the greatest movies ever made,
Speaker 1: though not necessarily in that order. I'm Joe Surmellie A.
Speaker 1: Miles Nulty. That's it's a solid list. I'm gonna add
Speaker 1: pulp Fiction, The Big Lebowski, and Gross point Blank to
Speaker 1: that list. Gross point blank really, absolutely dude, such an
Speaker 1: underrated film, such a good film. So so. John Cusack
Speaker 1: plays a hit man in the middle of an identity
Speaker 1: crisis who goes to his tenure high school reunions. It's
Speaker 1: brilliant writing, it's great acting. It's just very very dark humor,
Speaker 1: which I always appreciate. And it just happens to be
Speaker 1: the theme of this week's show. You know, all have
Speaker 1: husbands and wives and children and houses and dogs, and
Speaker 1: you know they'll make themselves a part of something and
Speaker 1: they can talk about what they do. And what am
Speaker 1: I going to say? I killed the president of Paraguay
Speaker 1: with a fork? How have you been? Aren't you excited?
Speaker 1: I gotta admit, dude, Like I remember the movie, and
Speaker 1: I remember thinking it was kind of funny. Like I
Speaker 1: I remember I enjoyed the movie when I saw it,
Speaker 1: But it's it's not one that that I thought was
Speaker 1: so memorable, like I quoted it with my friends forever.
Speaker 1: It's no Freddie got fingered in terms of quotables, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. I mean, I disagree, but I
Speaker 1: think it's true of you and most people. Frankly, like
Speaker 1: I'm the only weird over my group of friends from
Speaker 1: that that era that was always quoting. I was like
Speaker 1: the lone guy who would dropped the quote center be
Speaker 1: like what, But you're all wrong because it is straight
Speaker 1: up brilliant filmmaking. Listen, I'm gonna I'll give it to you,
Speaker 1: and I anticipate that you're going to try to convince
Speaker 1: me I'm wrong Throughout this episode. I was the old
Speaker 1: goal of this episode, welcome to convince you that you're
Speaker 1: wrong by all means do Yeah, And we're not gonna
Speaker 1: be able to get into this, but I think this
Speaker 1: is this is an argument that will appeal to you.
Speaker 1: I mean, just the soundtrack alone includes almost every good
Speaker 1: song from the late eighties, dude, we're talking about, like
Speaker 1: the specials, Faith, No More, Mellie Mel The score. The
Speaker 1: score for that film was actually written and recorded by
Speaker 1: Joe Strummer, who was the former lead singer of the Clash. Yes, Yes,
Speaker 1: it is a It is a great musical film. It's
Speaker 1: a tremendous selling point like that right there. But see,
Speaker 1: I don't remember that. It's been so long since I've
Speaker 1: seen it. I don't. I cannot say I remember the soundtrack.
Speaker 1: I do vaguely recall, though, tell me if I'm wrong.
Speaker 1: Like Ackroyd pretty much played the same character. He didn't
Speaker 1: Tommy Boy, I didn't he have like kind of the
Speaker 1: same thing going on. There's there's there are some similarities there.
Speaker 1: I can see that. I can see that. I do
Speaker 1: not know exactly how you're going to tie this all
Speaker 1: the fishing, though, I'm I'm on the Journey with You.
Speaker 1: I'm excited. The movie has absolutely nothing to do with fishing,
Speaker 1: but I'm confident in myself here. I think I think
Speaker 1: there are elements to it that that that that we
Speaker 1: can draw from. We've done this before, like we've drawn
Speaker 1: things out of but we've squeezed, especially out of out
Speaker 1: of pop culture stones. So I'm I'm I'm confident that
Speaker 1: we can do this right because this movie is partially
Speaker 1: about coming to terms with the fact that you can
Speaker 1: never go back in time. But that doesn't mean that
Speaker 1: you should try to erase or forget the past, right,
Speaker 1: And we on the show, we talked about older lures
Speaker 1: or baits or flies or materials that might not be
Speaker 1: the hot new thing but still catch the hell out
Speaker 1: of fish. You can't go back to the days when
Speaker 1: those lures were new and and the fish hadn't seen
Speaker 1: him before, but that doesn't mean that you like ignore
Speaker 1: them or turn your back on them. And I realized
Speaker 1: that my example there is not as dramatic as say,
Speaker 1: I don't know, saving your long lost girlfriend's father from
Speaker 1: being executed by dan Ackroyd and professing your love to
Speaker 1: her after you murder a dude in cold blood right
Speaker 1: in front of her eyes. But you know, I think
Speaker 1: the overall lesson here is still applicable, Debbie, I mean, love,
Speaker 1: I know we can make this relationship work. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean it's it's it's a it's a giant stretch, yes,
Speaker 1: but I do see your angle. I mean, the movie
Speaker 1: is pretty heavy on the that you can never go
Speaker 1: home theme. So I'm understanding where my living room was,
Speaker 1: and it's not here because my house is gone and
Speaker 1: it's an Altomart you can never go home again open,
Speaker 1: but I guess you can shop there. And even though
Speaker 1: it's all about him going home, I think that's totally
Speaker 1: applicable In fishing. It seems like most people are either
Speaker 1: complaining right about how things aren't as good as they
Speaker 1: used to be or or glorifying the past as better
Speaker 1: than it actually was. Or they assume anything or anyone
Speaker 1: that predates YouTube has nothing useful to offer. So for
Speaker 1: the for the record, both of those assumptions are are bullshit.
Speaker 1: As far as I'm concerned, the past probably wasn't as
Speaker 1: good as you remember, and and the new ship isn't
Speaker 1: really all that superior, honestly, well put, I completely agree
Speaker 1: with you. Uh and That sets me a nice because
Speaker 1: we're starting things off this week with a guy who
Speaker 1: understands the past, embraces the present, and we'll also be
Speaker 1: continuing to catch the hell out of fish in the future.
Speaker 1: Back again to play our trivia game. We've got Mr
Speaker 1: Mike I Connelly. You gotta be highly skilled for these shows.
Speaker 1: You understand that if you're well burst there, you're very
Speaker 1: smart man. All right, today play in trivia. We are
Speaker 1: very excited to welcome back the one and only Mike,
Speaker 1: Ike and Elly. How goes it, Mike? How you doing?
Speaker 1: We're good, We're good. Uh, pumped to see again. We
Speaker 1: as always appreciate your time and so you you've been
Speaker 1: here before and you've done our covering water segment where
Speaker 1: we rapid fire questions you and you really have no
Speaker 1: time to think about your answers, which was a good time.
Speaker 1: We enjoyed that. Uh, and now we're going to kind
Speaker 1: of go the opposite way. It's traditional bar style trivia,
Speaker 1: so no time limits, but more in depth questions. Um.
Speaker 1: And I gotta tell you, man, we we worked really
Speaker 1: hard on questions for this. Yeah. We kicked it back
Speaker 1: and forth trying to trying to stump you and come
Speaker 1: up with the right thing. And you know, we we
Speaker 1: get so far down the line of approving a question
Speaker 1: and somebody be like, of course, Mike's gonna know that.
Speaker 1: It's freaking Mike. I can Elli. We have to try harder.
Speaker 1: He's gonna know. I'm really curious though, with one of
Speaker 1: these questions. I'm very curious to see. Yeah, if you
Speaker 1: have this nugget of knowledge rattling around in the bring,
Speaker 1: we'll see how we did. So we've got two questions
Speaker 1: for you. And while it definitely would be fun to
Speaker 1: stump you, you might sail right through these. And our
Speaker 1: effort was for not um. So if you're ready to play,
Speaker 1: are you ready to play? I'm ready guys. By the way,
Speaker 1: I just want to clear up, you can't win anything like,
Speaker 1: there's no you just lose your dignity. That's all. That's
Speaker 1: all that's offer here. I'm just as excited either way.
Speaker 1: So all right, here we go. So here we go.
Speaker 1: All right? First question, what was the skirt on the
Speaker 1: first rubber skirted bass jig made from? Was it a
Speaker 1: thinly sliced rubber bands be elastic threads unraveled from a
Speaker 1: woman's girdle see a rubber grass skirt that came off
Speaker 1: a souvenir hula dancer or d shredded latex surgical gloves. Wow,
Speaker 1: that's You've actually stumped me right from the first question. Yes, yes,
Speaker 1: they're all very interesting. I don't I don't know. I'm
Speaker 1: this is honestly, I guess. I'm gonna say some of
Speaker 1: the original uh old jig skirts that I remember seeing
Speaker 1: we're we're living rubber, they were more of a rubber
Speaker 1: type of material. So I'm gonna go a but it's
Speaker 1: a total guess, and that's a good guess. That's a
Speaker 1: good guest. Thinly sliced rubber bands, but it's actually be
Speaker 1: elastic threads unraveled from a woman's girdle. And of course
Speaker 1: that's that's that's Bob Karnes prototype the first rubber bass jigs,
Speaker 1: and that's what he used. And of course he's the
Speaker 1: man behind Archie Jigs, which every bass angler on the
Speaker 1: planet knows. Archie Jiggs arguably the father of modern bass jigs,
Speaker 1: and they're still around today. But according to our research,
Speaker 1: the first one woman's girdle. Wow, that's very interesting. That's
Speaker 1: very very interesting. I can tell you that there is
Speaker 1: a time and a place for that style material. Even today,
Speaker 1: even in two thousand twenty, with technology and new materials,
Speaker 1: when that water temperature gets cold and the fishings to off,
Speaker 1: that old style material is still really the deal. So
Speaker 1: knowing this, I'm hopping on eBay right now, I'm trying
Speaker 1: to find some of that, some girdles, some girdles from
Speaker 1: the from the sixties. We've we've we've thrown out the
Speaker 1: history of of girdles in lure design in the past
Speaker 1: because the classic fly, the girdle bug, got its legs
Speaker 1: from all right, So we'll move on to question too.
Speaker 1: We'll have a little more fun with this one. You're
Speaker 1: a Jersey guy like me, so this time I'm going
Speaker 1: to test your knowledge of New Jersey state laws. Dumb, dumb,
Speaker 1: dumb state laws. Though you know how you know every
Speaker 1: state has dumb, weird laws that are still on the
Speaker 1: books from medieval times. It's like a big thing on
Speaker 1: the internet. Well, I did a little reading. New Jersey
Speaker 1: has a bunch of them. And according to those archaic laws,
Speaker 1: which of the following, is it illegal for New Jersey
Speaker 1: men to do during fishing season? A knit b get married?
Speaker 1: See plant tomatoes or d feud with a neighboring farm.
Speaker 1: It's funny when when you said I know these answers,
Speaker 1: I thought, maybe you know I'm a pretty not this one.
Speaker 1: But I thought you'd get the jake, not this one.
Speaker 1: Like I'm I'm a fishing you know, I like fishing.
Speaker 1: I'm a buff of the sport and information. But now
Speaker 1: I'm just this is another one that's stumping me. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna have to go d what was the fourth one?
Speaker 1: I'm going to feud with a neighboring farm the record,
Speaker 1: I would have chosen that one as well. Sounds sounds
Speaker 1: like has the most legality to it, you know, well,
Speaker 1: yeah no, but the answer is a knit, so yeah, right.
Speaker 1: So there's there's a lot of speculation online whether this
Speaker 1: is still on the books, though it was on our
Speaker 1: books and check this out. The best reason anyone could
Speaker 1: come up with, um was that it was illegal for
Speaker 1: men to knit during fishing season on the Island of
Speaker 1: Sark which is one of the Channel islands that the
Speaker 1: Island of Jersey belongs to. And that's because the islands
Speaker 1: were apparently known for their famous woolen jumpers, which were
Speaker 1: a source of income. But if the men were knitting
Speaker 1: during fishing season, they weren't out fishing, which was the
Speaker 1: island's bigger source of income. And when the Jersey Island
Speaker 1: people re established themselves and what we now know is
Speaker 1: dirty Jersey, this law came along with them. Wow, how
Speaker 1: about that one? I had particular question for the record,
Speaker 1: like I helped with the first one, but this one's
Speaker 1: news to me too. I got nothing here. This is
Speaker 1: very interesting and so weird. That's an old law and
Speaker 1: it's almost as unvalid as the new Jersey state large
Speaker 1: mouth record. It's ten thirteen Robert Eastley, which he snagged
Speaker 1: a Manico Sampans off the bed, so it should be
Speaker 1: a race anyway. But well, there's also a Jersey law
Speaker 1: in the book that says it's illegal to wear a
Speaker 1: bulletproof vessell committing a murder. That was another one that
Speaker 1: I file backwards, very backwards, very much. So well, you
Speaker 1: know what, I'm happy about the jig one I like,
Speaker 1: I stumped. I stumped Mike I Cannelli on an old
Speaker 1: bass fishing luwer question. So, um, you might not have
Speaker 1: one today, But like we said, there was nothing to
Speaker 1: win anyway, but we certainly appreciate you coming by to play, man,
Speaker 1: I appreciate it. They were fun questions and you might
Speaker 1: hear those same questions on IKE Live because they're so good.
Speaker 1: I'm stealing them and asking our guests still over there now.
Speaker 1: Until we started working on the show and doing this research, man,
Speaker 1: I had no idea how influential girdles were and luer design.
Speaker 1: I was totally unaware. Neither did I I had. I
Speaker 1: had no clue. I had no clue. Yeah, I actually remember,
Speaker 1: like I remember those old school rubber legs and skirts
Speaker 1: they used to be able to find that were the
Speaker 1: super fine thin elastic bands. Yeah, they and they look
Speaker 1: they do. They look just like what pops out of
Speaker 1: the waistband and your underwear, your sweatpants when they're like
Speaker 1: they give up on life and it's just done right.
Speaker 1: It's those same bands of elastic and those ones don't
Speaker 1: hold up as long as the silicone stuff, but I
Speaker 1: think they do have more wiggle. Yeah. See, I like
Speaker 1: natural rubber myself more than the silicone versions. You know
Speaker 1: what I mean. Burn, I'm not I'm not. I'm not
Speaker 1: gonna take that. I know. I see what you're doing there,
Speaker 1: and I'm not gonna let you manipulate me that way. Uh.
Speaker 1: That also does set me up for the sail bin
Speaker 1: you put together this week. Oh yeah, it absolutely does.
Speaker 1: I see the silicone connection clearly, but but not totally
Speaker 1: sure how it fits your your gross, point blank theme.
Speaker 1: Don't overthink it, man, it's not that deep. It's not
Speaker 1: deep at all. Actually, the film, like we said, is
Speaker 1: a super dark comedy. There's a lot of murder and
Speaker 1: gore and blood, but it's still a comedy. And the
Speaker 1: sail bin you dug up from the crypt this week,
Speaker 1: I'd say it clearly fits that dark comedy. Mold, Why
Speaker 1: did you put the hand to pay? You don't know
Speaker 1: what I'm getting? Man? What you didn't have to be
Speaker 1: so hurtful with me so angry? Today's sale bin item
Speaker 1: was sent our direction by listener Billy Warren and ge
Speaker 1: we can't thank him enough, and Miles and I had
Speaker 1: two very different gut reactions to it. Okay, now you sir,
Speaker 1: you're you're taking it at face value. But for me,
Speaker 1: this has triggered my inner clarice starling Okay, and it
Speaker 1: feeds right into my my obsession with like the Hunt
Speaker 1: Hunt Killer documentaries. You know, forensic science and profiling psychopaths.
Speaker 1: That's what I do on the weekends. I'm in a club. Um,
Speaker 1: the fishing thing is all fake. Yeah. Anyway, regarding this
Speaker 1: saleban item, I am convinced there is more than meets
Speaker 1: the eye. As far as I am concerned, there's more
Speaker 1: than meets the eye. Okay, there isn't there is not.
Speaker 1: But I agreed that we should do this sale bin
Speaker 1: because I think I think it would be fun to
Speaker 1: listen to you build your weird paranoid case. And and
Speaker 1: like I said, it fits nicely with the dark comedy
Speaker 1: theme that we put together for this episode, So I'm
Speaker 1: happy to have it. But I think you're totally wrong.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, until you see, until you find out what's
Speaker 1: in the box, you know what I'm saying. Uh, And
Speaker 1: I actually think you you agree to do this because
Speaker 1: there's a part of you that doesn't want to be wrong.
Speaker 1: You don't want to be the naysayer that overlooks puzzle
Speaker 1: piece number one in a in a sick drama, I'm confident.
Speaker 1: While unfollowed after the show airs, Okay, anyway, listen up.
Speaker 1: This one's for the all the dare I say, Internet
Speaker 1: sleuths out there. So this this post comes from Facebook
Speaker 1: marketplace in Wisconsin, and the title is very simply fingerlures,
Speaker 1: exclamation point fingerlures, fingerlure. Okay. The finger lures are fifteen
Speaker 1: dollars a piece. And in the photo, and mind you,
Speaker 1: because this is a clue, this is part of it.
Speaker 1: Mind you, there's only one photo available, just one there
Speaker 1: not ten photos to scroll through like other Facebook marketplace,
Speaker 1: but one photo, okay, And in it we see three
Speaker 1: severed human fingers that have been through wired and turned
Speaker 1: into killer inline spinners. That was bad. That was bad,
Speaker 1: almost as bad as the lures. The lures are terrible, Like,
Speaker 1: I don't you're not painting how crappy these lures are.
Speaker 1: If you, if you kind of start from the back
Speaker 1: and move to the front, you got one trouble hook
Speaker 1: on these, and and between the three examples and the photos,
Speaker 1: only two of the troubles even seemed to match, So
Speaker 1: it's just like a mix and match spare parts assembly.
Speaker 1: Then there's like a few colored beads and a willow
Speaker 1: leaf spinner blade that's resting right on top of the
Speaker 1: fat severed end of the finger. And I don't even
Speaker 1: think that thing will turn I don't. I don't think
Speaker 1: it'll turn in. I don't think this lower would have
Speaker 1: any action. Continue. The wire then continues through the finger,
Speaker 1: out the tip to another series of beads, and then
Speaker 1: and then the line tie. I. So essentially you've got
Speaker 1: a law urge and frankly shitty looking spinner with a
Speaker 1: human finger or a fake human finger, I should say,
Speaker 1: skewered in the middle of it. I I would like
Speaker 1: to call this an overpriced gimmick lure to catch suckers.
Speaker 1: That's how I would describe it. Okay, so we've described it,
Speaker 1: but now I'm gonna because this is where it gets dark, right,
Speaker 1: All the description of the item says is silicone rubbers,
Speaker 1: severed finger fishing tackle. That's a tongue twister that five
Speaker 1: times fast. But that's it. That's all it says. And
Speaker 1: you're probably thinking, right, this is the dumbest, just most
Speaker 1: hokey thing ever, maybe even on par with a penis lure.
Speaker 1: That's exactly what I'm thinking. Yes, okay, uh, And you're
Speaker 1: thinking some momo just bought a bag of severed fingers
Speaker 1: at the pop up Halloween store and made some novelty lures.
Speaker 1: Because no, because he did not, I say native is
Speaker 1: in the photo these three lawyers are hanging from a
Speaker 1: piece of cardboard, right, And if if you really inspect
Speaker 1: them as I have closely, right, first, they look too real.
Speaker 1: They just they look too real. There is no out
Speaker 1: of the package faux finger I've ever seen that looks
Speaker 1: this realistic. So even even as to say, like the
Speaker 1: skin looks like it's the right level of moist you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, Like you know how a lot
Speaker 1: of fake stuff looks dried out and like it's too pink,
Speaker 1: like perfect skin tone, like a perfect level of moisture. Okay,
Speaker 1: And the amount of blood and tissue damage varies on
Speaker 1: each finger. But most telling of all, if you study
Speaker 1: the nails and the wrinkles and the knuckles, they're not uniform.
Speaker 1: They are completely unique and different. Okay. If these were
Speaker 1: storeball novelty fingers, even if the paint jobs varied slightly
Speaker 1: the finger, it's that they'd be carbon copies of each other.
Speaker 1: And they're not. That's the problem. Yeah, But just just
Speaker 1: because you you traffic in subpar fake fingers doesn't mean
Speaker 1: that they're the only options that ext this out there
Speaker 1: for people who want them. There are professionals in this
Speaker 1: world who make realistic fake gore for a living. I'm
Speaker 1: assuming you've heard of this industry called film and television.
Speaker 1: Maybe I read something on wiki about yeah, and so like,
Speaker 1: how do you know this person didn't make the molds
Speaker 1: of the fingers and and I don't know, maybe molded
Speaker 1: fingers of other family member. I don't know. I don't know,
Speaker 1: But that that is not that is not convinced evidence
Speaker 1: for me. Just because they don't look like the crappy
Speaker 1: fake fingers sold by the dozen at your annual Halloween
Speaker 1: pop up doesn't prove that the online fishing community is
Speaker 1: now dealing with its first serial killer. Like, I do
Speaker 1: not buy it. I do not believe it. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: I am aware of this film and television industry which
Speaker 1: you speak And yes, right, there's there's no doubt they're
Speaker 1: very talented folks that can make some damn fine severed
Speaker 1: fingers and limbs and all that stuff. Right, Yes, but
Speaker 1: what are the odds this dude in Wisconsin is one
Speaker 1: of them? Okay? And furthermore, I know people like artists
Speaker 1: and ship right, if you have the skill to create
Speaker 1: something that perfect, Okay, a exhibit A in a court
Speaker 1: of law. Why are you then turning them into really
Speaker 1: shitty lures? Why would you make something so beautiful like
Speaker 1: if if that's your gig, and turn them in the
Speaker 1: shitty lures? Like if you have the skill to make
Speaker 1: a realistic finger, you're probably the kind of person that
Speaker 1: would also do a much better job of incorporating them
Speaker 1: into a lure, even if it's a fake and you
Speaker 1: knew nothing about fishing. If you have that level of talent,
Speaker 1: you would research that. I mean, it took it took
Speaker 1: someone thirty seconds to create these tops, not the finger,
Speaker 1: but like once they had to turn into a lure
Speaker 1: thirty seconds. All right, okay, and be exhibit B. If
Speaker 1: you have that kind of talent, you're using it to
Speaker 1: make fifteen bucks on the internet. None of that adds up.
Speaker 1: None of that adds up, Which is why I'm saying,
Speaker 1: Wisconsin police put out the goddamn a p V right now,
Speaker 1: dig into recent missing persons because them fingers is fresh.
Speaker 1: I don't care what you say. Then fingers is fresh,
Speaker 1: and we hear it, Ben, We're fully prepared to cooperate
Speaker 1: wherever you needed. Do not implicate me in your crazy
Speaker 1: as conspiracies. I don't want anything to do with it,
Speaker 1: and actually know what I think. The fact that they're
Speaker 1: coming out of Wisconsin supports my argument. I will admit
Speaker 1: I don't know how this cheesehead came to be in
Speaker 1: possession of such high quality fake severed fingers. I'm not
Speaker 1: Maybe they didn't make themselves. Your your argument there is solid.
Speaker 1: Maybe they bought in the state sale from some Hollywood
Speaker 1: special effects experts. I don't know. But if you live
Speaker 1: in Wisconsin and you have a surplus of fake fingers,
Speaker 1: what else are you going to do with them except
Speaker 1: turn them into pike lureds like it's that, or just
Speaker 1: freak everyone out at the Lions Club brought sale. You
Speaker 1: don't have many options. Some valid points there, you are
Speaker 1: still wrong, Like have you have you? Have you ever
Speaker 1: seen the documentary series Don't with Cats? Have you ever
Speaker 1: seen that? I haven't? No Ah. It started off with
Speaker 1: an Internet video that could have very easily been brushed
Speaker 1: off his fake and lead to a years long man
Speaker 1: hunt that ended up involving like inner poll and ship. Anyway, Billy,
Speaker 1: thanks thanks again for sending this one. I hope you're okay.
Speaker 1: I hope you like this doesn't translate down to to
Speaker 1: your suffering um and you out there. If you find
Speaker 1: any human body parts being trafficked on your favorite fishing
Speaker 1: classified forum, please send that link to Bent at the
Speaker 1: mediator dot com. We're also accepting leads, theories, and anonymous
Speaker 1: tips at the same email address. Before we move on
Speaker 1: from this, there's one more thing that I feel like
Speaker 1: I forgot to mention that sudden we gotta bring up. Shoot.
Speaker 1: We can solve this whole thing for fifteen bucks plus shipping. Dude,
Speaker 1: just motor one. No, no, we cannot. Have you never
Speaker 1: seen a horror movie? We cannot do that because I
Speaker 1: ain't given my personal info to that psycho. That's how
Speaker 1: you end up becoming a finger lore, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. Like in the past, in the past, we've
Speaker 1: reached out to select sellers, but I refrained on this
Speaker 1: one because I bet he uses the short hairs for
Speaker 1: like croppy jigs and ship and the long ones for
Speaker 1: musky flies. So you ad buy you one. I give up.
Speaker 1: I'm done. I give up. And maybe you know what,
Speaker 1: Maybe I'm wrong, and maybe maybe the dude's not a
Speaker 1: psycle at all. Maybe maybe there's a much bigger market
Speaker 1: for for finger lures than we think you're a psychopath. No, no,
Speaker 1: no psychopath kills for no reason. I killed for money.
Speaker 1: And if that turns out to be the case, we
Speaker 1: can promise that we will cover it in a future
Speaker 1: fish News. Fish News. That escalated quickly. I got, I
Speaker 1: got a little housekeeping. I gotta shout out today for listener. Ryan.
Speaker 1: It's either little or little. I'm not sure which, but
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go with little. Could go either way. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna butcher another name today for sure. So just
Speaker 1: everybody deal with it. You might remember that a few
Speaker 1: weeks ago, Joe, you did a story about the woman
Speaker 1: who turned her pet coi into soup after they all died.
Speaker 1: Do you remember that one? I think about it daily. Yes?
Speaker 1: Were they delicious? So Ryan sent us an email titled
Speaker 1: Coi for bass Forage, in which he said, although COI
Speaker 1: maybe expensive in Japan, they are not in Texas and
Speaker 1: uh and so I looked around and he's he's correct
Speaker 1: about that, dude. It turns out Texas Parks and Wildlife
Speaker 1: raises seventy million coi a year in their hatcheries that
Speaker 1: they feed to captive large mouth broodstock. Yeah, that's what
Speaker 1: they raise to feed their broodstock, and according to the
Speaker 1: Texas Parks and Wildlife website, coi are easy to raise,
Speaker 1: grow fast and lack the sharp dorsal spines, making them
Speaker 1: easy for bass to eat. So that's why they do
Speaker 1: the ki is because bass can just go up them
Speaker 1: down and they won't have any spine issues. Uh and
Speaker 1: and Ryan also wrote us quote, there's some real fun
Speaker 1: to be had skipping koi side armed across a hatchery
Speaker 1: pond and watching a ten pound bass jump out of
Speaker 1: the water to destroy it. Yeah. He also included a
Speaker 1: video of himself tossing a handful of coin into the
Speaker 1: brood brood stock bass poond so we could get the
Speaker 1: full effect. Check out the check out the instagrams to
Speaker 1: see what that looks like. Because it's it's pretty fun.
Speaker 1: We'll throw that, We'll throw that up. But I'm glad
Speaker 1: you dug a little deeper because when when this first
Speaker 1: came in, I watched it and for a second, I'm like,
Speaker 1: I I did not understand what was going on, Like
Speaker 1: there's just context. But all I could think, like now
Speaker 1: that we know this is what if you're the person
Speaker 1: in Dallas with the beautiful KOI pond out back and
Speaker 1: like you're the sucker going to pet Smart and paying
Speaker 1: two of KOI. I'd be going there and just be
Speaker 1: like I just get a scoop, Like you've got forty
Speaker 1: million of them, just like steak. I just want some KOI.
Speaker 1: I know, I know. They don't cost you guys anything.
Speaker 1: I know. And it's also weird because like you can't fish,
Speaker 1: you can't buy goldfish and use them as bait anywhere,
Speaker 1: Like they wouldn't want this coy to get out. But
Speaker 1: then like seeing them all in that race just feeding
Speaker 1: these giant bass as cool as shit, and I was
Speaker 1: super cool. Yeah, I didn't take enough time to figure
Speaker 1: out how they started, like how coy became the thing
Speaker 1: that they started raising as as a food source. But
Speaker 1: somewhere long line, someone had to go like, damn, these
Speaker 1: make good bass food, let's just raise them. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: I don't know how that happened. I bet there's a
Speaker 1: good origin story there. Yeah. And if you if you
Speaker 1: happen to know Ryan you need a scoop, he can
Speaker 1: probably hook it up. Um I yeah, no, Ryan, thank
Speaker 1: you for that. It was an awesome video. We will
Speaker 1: share it. I don't have any shout outs this week
Speaker 1: so we can we can get onto the news here.
Speaker 1: As a reminder, though, uh, this is a competition, Miles
Speaker 1: and I do not know which stories the other guy
Speaker 1: is bringing, as we proved last week because we we
Speaker 1: we had the same story just gonna happen on occasion.
Speaker 1: So we'll see what happens now. And uh, at the
Speaker 1: end of all this, our audio engineer, Phil gets to
Speaker 1: judge us and pick a winner. And I'm gonna go
Speaker 1: out on a limb and say one of my stories
Speaker 1: this week, just based on what I know about Phil
Speaker 1: and his hobbies and things, it's gonna appeal to him,
Speaker 1: and I'm going to win. I'm just just feeling confident.
Speaker 1: But you, yeah, I am. But you do have the
Speaker 1: lead off, so that's an advantage in this game. And
Speaker 1: the floor is yours. I didn't pick my stories for
Speaker 1: Phil this week, for sure. I picked them based on
Speaker 1: my own interests and and to try and avoid crossing
Speaker 1: over with you again. And uh, I've been I've been
Speaker 1: going north of the border a bunch lately, and and
Speaker 1: that so far has worked for me, and and I
Speaker 1: haven't gone cross ways. So I'm going back. I'm going
Speaker 1: back you've kind of claimed Canada. If I see something,
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh ship Canada. Miles is already there, and
Speaker 1: it's not like I'm just stuck on Canada. But I
Speaker 1: gotta say, there's just so much fish news trickling down
Speaker 1: from north of the border right now. I can't help myself.
Speaker 1: I gotta talk about it. Um. Unfortunately, the news that
Speaker 1: I got coming out of British Columbia this week isn't
Speaker 1: isn't really all that great at least at least not
Speaker 1: if you're an outspoken advocate for public access like I am. Alright, so,
Speaker 1: so backstory on this. Back in two thousand three, a
Speaker 1: guy named Stan Cronkey Cranky, I don't know, call him Cronkey.
Speaker 1: He bought the Douglas Lake Ranch, which is the largest
Speaker 1: private cattle operation in Canada. Craigy Crokey whatever. He is
Speaker 1: not Canadian. He's an American and one of the richest
Speaker 1: people in the world. He owns the l A Rams
Speaker 1: Colorado Avalanche Arsenal football club and and he's married to
Speaker 1: Anne Walton, one of the signs of the Walmart fortune.
Speaker 1: So that gives you a sense of of of the
Speaker 1: kind of guy he is. His ranch consists of two
Speaker 1: hundred and seventy one acres of private land and access
Speaker 1: in grazing rights to over a million acres of crown lands,
Speaker 1: which are roughly the Canadian equivalent of BLM lands here
Speaker 1: in the States. They're they're federally owned public land that
Speaker 1: can be leased out for grazing or other purposes. Some
Speaker 1: of those crown lands around his ranch are landlocked, meaning
Speaker 1: they're they're completely contained within his little private property universe.
Speaker 1: And included in there are Stony and Mini lakes. These
Speaker 1: are relatively small lakes with really big rainbows in them.
Speaker 1: Prior to Cronkey purchasing the ranch, anglers had access to
Speaker 1: these lakes. They were allowed to go and fish them
Speaker 1: and had been doing so for decades. But after he
Speaker 1: bought the property, he put up a bunch of fences
Speaker 1: and no trespassing signs uh and and got the Royal
Speaker 1: Canadian mount of Police involved and started harassing, intimidating anglers.
Speaker 1: And you know, tell him he was gonna arrest them
Speaker 1: all that stuff, And now he charges rod fees for
Speaker 1: private access to the lakes on his ranch. Okay, I'm
Speaker 1: with you. So in the Nicola Valley, Rod and Game
Speaker 1: club brought a case against the ranch, arguing that the
Speaker 1: public had historic access and easement to the lakes through
Speaker 1: a public domain road that crosses the private property and
Speaker 1: it goes straight to these lakes, which are again the
Speaker 1: lakes are on public land and the historic public road
Speaker 1: cuts right to him. In two thousand eighteen, BC Supreme
Speaker 1: Court Justice Joel Groves ruled in favor of public access.
Speaker 1: The judge in that case, Groves came down hard on
Speaker 1: both the landowners and the Royal Canadian amount of Police
Speaker 1: for doing all that intimidation and denying access to public resources.
Speaker 1: The ruling was hailed as a major win for public
Speaker 1: lands advocates in BC, who claimed that this is happening
Speaker 1: all over the province, like private landoers coming in and
Speaker 1: blocking access to two resources that have been traditionally available
Speaker 1: to everybody. But then in November of last year, Cronkey
Speaker 1: appealed the ruling, and last week an appeals court judge
Speaker 1: overruled decision. The judge agreed with Cronkey's team who assert
Speaker 1: that the public road doesn't quite touch the historic high
Speaker 1: water mark of the lake, even though it does touch
Speaker 1: the actual high water mark of the lake. The ranches
Speaker 1: legal team argued that the judge should rule based on
Speaker 1: government survey maps from eighteen eighty which do show the
Speaker 1: road stopping short of hitting the lake shore, but the
Speaker 1: lake has gotten bigger and aerial surveys showed that the
Speaker 1: road has touched the lake shore since at least nineteen
Speaker 1: For reasons that I don't fully understand, the judge completely
Speaker 1: sided with the landowner on this one and delivered a
Speaker 1: major setback to the Nicola Rodd and Game Club and
Speaker 1: public land advocates all over British Columbia. Now, not only
Speaker 1: did that Nicola Valley Rod and Game Club lose their
Speaker 1: appeal and therefore lose this access battle that they've been
Speaker 1: fighting for nearly a decade and access to these lakes
Speaker 1: that they loved fish, but the outcome puts them in
Speaker 1: serious financial trouble as well. Had they won, the province
Speaker 1: would likely have shouldered at least some of the burden
Speaker 1: of their legal costs, and so we're acting as proxy
Speaker 1: for the Provincial Attorney General fighting a court battle on
Speaker 1: behalf the public. But since they lost, they are now
Speaker 1: on the hook for their legal fees, which are in
Speaker 1: the hundreds of thousands of dollars not only that, they
Speaker 1: also have to pay for the billionaire cronkeys legal fees also, right,
Speaker 1: and we're talking about like a local fishing and hunting club, dude,
Speaker 1: These that can happen here too. If you're if you're
Speaker 1: if you're in the wrong, if you lose, you can
Speaker 1: be on the hook for someone else's legal fees in
Speaker 1: certain cases. I don't know the ins and outs, but
Speaker 1: I know that does happen in certain certain situations here.
Speaker 1: And like this is this is just a local fishing
Speaker 1: and hunting club, dude. Like they earn money through bake
Speaker 1: sales and raffles and like Wild Team chili cookoff things
Speaker 1: like this is not a big organization and this decision
Speaker 1: could cripple them. Right, They have the option to appeal
Speaker 1: to the Supreme Court of Canada, where they won the
Speaker 1: provincial Supreme Court. They lost in the Canadian Appeals Court.
Speaker 1: They can go one step higher to the Supreme Court
Speaker 1: of Nada. But they have no way to fund that
Speaker 1: appeal because right now they're on the hook for a
Speaker 1: ton of money that they don't have. So if they
Speaker 1: were to be able to fund it and get the
Speaker 1: Supreme Court and win, then they'd be in good shape,
Speaker 1: but they don't have that kind of money, and the
Speaker 1: person that they're up against has unlimited resources and can
Speaker 1: just continue to fight these battles against them. It's a
Speaker 1: war of attrition and uh. And this kise resonates with
Speaker 1: so much of the privatization of public land and resources
Speaker 1: that we're seeing here in the States right. It's actually
Speaker 1: very similar to to a landowner here in Montana who
Speaker 1: for years has been fighting to change the stream access
Speaker 1: lawn in this state because he didn't like it and
Speaker 1: has unlimited pockets. It's very similar to that. So the
Speaker 1: whole thing really strikes a personal nerve with me and
Speaker 1: like it just pisses me off. Man. And as an American,
Speaker 1: there's not a lot I can do to influence British
Speaker 1: columb in politics, but I can tell you one thing.
Speaker 1: I will be donating money to the Nicola Rod and
Speaker 1: Game Club. I'm certainly not gonna be able to cover
Speaker 1: the legal fees. I ain't got that kind of money,
Speaker 1: but I will be donating. And you know, if this
Speaker 1: is something you care about, I would advocate all of
Speaker 1: us should ship in a little bit here and there.
Speaker 1: But I'd also said to the Canadian lists like, you
Speaker 1: gotta get on board with this issue, especially if you're
Speaker 1: in BC and and talk to your local representatives about
Speaker 1: supporting what are called right to Rome laws that would
Speaker 1: restore access to isolated public lands and stop this ship
Speaker 1: from continuing to happen up there, because it's it's just gross.
Speaker 1: Just it just really makes me mad. I just I
Speaker 1: just want to ask something, just for for clarifications. So
Speaker 1: the land that the lake is on, it's still technically
Speaker 1: public land, right, yes, but yet you needed to pay
Speaker 1: a rod fee through this club to fish it. So
Speaker 1: can anybody public access to it? Like you wouldn't have
Speaker 1: to pay a fee if you got dropped from a plane.
Speaker 1: Got yeah, okay, we're there, right, I understand so. But
Speaker 1: but so this this club then has been operating what
Speaker 1: and conjunct. Wouldn't they have to have worked with Cranky
Speaker 1: in order to maintain their I'm just missing how they do.
Speaker 1: So they Craigy bought the place in two thousand three,
Speaker 1: and that's when and soon there after started locking up
Speaker 1: what this club had had access to and their membership forever,
Speaker 1: and they were just a local entity stepped in was
Speaker 1: like this is bullshit. We gotta fight this. So they're
Speaker 1: the ones who brought the case against this guy who
Speaker 1: came in and changed the way that he enforced the rules.
Speaker 1: But with the ultimate win for this club, then make
Speaker 1: it accessible to anyone, like if they if they get
Speaker 1: their way, okay, well that would restore public access. I
Speaker 1: mean then even makes it more noble in that sense,
Speaker 1: because I like you if you if you're the guy
Speaker 1: with the club water and you can get a rod
Speaker 1: fee to do that, but you're willing to fight that too, essentially,
Speaker 1: then lose that, would you not? You know, they're they're
Speaker 1: not a club in that sense. They're not there there
Speaker 1: they're rotten and game club, but they don't they're not
Speaker 1: accessing private water. They're just like the local hangout and
Speaker 1: resource for hunters and anglers in the area. This was
Speaker 1: public water that everybody was fishing until Cronkey came in
Speaker 1: and locked it up, bought the whole place, locked it
Speaker 1: up and said you can't fish here anymore. Well, I mean,
Speaker 1: I appreciate that fight, but that is what has some
Speaker 1: delity of a pickle. To get to get that car
Speaker 1: now now, to have one and then have it turned
Speaker 1: around on you is just God, that's a bitter pill.
Speaker 1: I know, but I mean that's that's money, man, That
Speaker 1: is that is what that is. I mean, you know
Speaker 1: you see it with all with all kinds of winds
Speaker 1: like you brought up Montana. You guys are still as
Speaker 1: long as you as long as you access the river
Speaker 1: right at a public place and stay below the relative
Speaker 1: high water mark, you can go where you want right correct,
Speaker 1: But like you're not welcome with open arms when you
Speaker 1: go wherever you want. No, no, you will, you will
Speaker 1: certain landowners will make you uncomfortable. What they can't do
Speaker 1: anything about it, right right? Well see where that goes, man.
Speaker 1: I think that the donation is helpful, and uh, I
Speaker 1: don't know. I'm sure they will be probably spitting in
Speaker 1: the wind there. It's it's more symbolic than emails. But
Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm gonna give them money just because I
Speaker 1: believe in what they're trying to do. I'm with that.
Speaker 1: But I also think that people don't realize, you know,
Speaker 1: you don't think about how often that kind of stuff happens.
Speaker 1: Whereas and I'm not I'm not plugging it, but like
Speaker 1: um Audix hunt, like when you when you get that
Speaker 1: and you you look at those those maps as opposed
Speaker 1: to just like going around on Google Maps and seeing
Speaker 1: what's what, Like it's amazing when you see what's landlocked
Speaker 1: all over the place, Like there are so many places
Speaker 1: I've seen. I was just at one the other day
Speaker 1: where like it's all state land except for right here.
Speaker 1: That's weird, you know what I mean? And with without
Speaker 1: that technology and without that ability, you wouldn't. I would
Speaker 1: have had no idea and dude could have come down
Speaker 1: and shot me or had me arrested or whatever, and
Speaker 1: I would have been like, what are you talking about?
Speaker 1: This is a while life management area. But no, like
Speaker 1: that one hundred yards of river bank was not. So.
Speaker 1: I mean between private land that's landlocked and state land
Speaker 1: that's landlocked, there is a ton of land out there
Speaker 1: that technically every single one of us can be on,
Speaker 1: but you ain't getting to it. Not grant most of it,
Speaker 1: nobody needs to be on. There's no lake or stream
Speaker 1: or river there. But that is incredibly common. Um So
Speaker 1: with that, I will say, if you, if you, if
Speaker 1: you want to avoid this when we're all living on
Speaker 1: the moon, act fast and by by your plots of land.
Speaker 1: Now because you you go to Canada, I'm going to
Speaker 1: story man because this this was on my short list
Speaker 1: and it's a good one. I'm going to the Moon,
Speaker 1: and uh, we didn't cross over and cross over, so
Speaker 1: I was worried. I was like, if he's gonna have anyone,
Speaker 1: it's gonna be this one. Uh. Shout out though to
Speaker 1: listener Derek Arnisson. He actually sent this to me before
Speaker 1: I even saw it in the news. I got a
Speaker 1: little tip off from him. So thanks for that. And
Speaker 1: it wasn't that long ago when we talked about robot
Speaker 1: fish building our future homes on Mars, that was that
Speaker 1: was your story. Um. But but now that the moon,
Speaker 1: the Moon is apparently campaigning saying wait a second, don't
Speaker 1: go to Mars, come to the Moon, you know right.
Speaker 1: It's like it's like it's like acapol stuff. It's like
Speaker 1: Acapolco tourism, like trying to talk you out of going
Speaker 1: to Mazitlan. You know, like they're both beautiful and scary
Speaker 1: and you're not really sure which one is safer. Anyway.
Speaker 1: So this story comes to us from the website of
Speaker 1: Hakai magazine, headline the plan to rear fish on the Moon.
Speaker 1: Now this is a long story, so I'm gonna try
Speaker 1: and break her down. But what's happening here is French
Speaker 1: researchers are trying to figure out if it would be
Speaker 1: possible to grow fish on the Moon, and they want
Speaker 1: to do this to feed residents of the future Moon Village,
Speaker 1: which is apparently something the European Space Agency is trying
Speaker 1: to establish. And I don't know anything about that, but
Speaker 1: like I said, like now I'm nervous should I be
Speaker 1: buying a plot now? Like will it be too late?
Speaker 1: Like right now? I just like you know, when you
Speaker 1: fly over development, like there's just driveways mapped out like
Speaker 1: where the will be. Like that's I think that's that's
Speaker 1: probably as far as they've gotten, if even that far.
Speaker 1: Um anyway, Uh, Cyril Shabilla is the dude to charge
Speaker 1: of all this, and he's hoping that it will offer
Speaker 1: an alternative to dried food for the people who will
Speaker 1: eventually live on in Moon village. And uh he also
Speaker 1: says it's possible that a lunar fish farm could actually
Speaker 1: use water that's already on the Moon to to thrive,
Speaker 1: so like they'll be able. I don't know if it's
Speaker 1: like an aquaculture deal, but apparently they're gonna use water
Speaker 1: on the Moon. So so far, no fish eggs have
Speaker 1: been launched into space, but they are conducting simulations again
Speaker 1: just on eggs, not not mature fish, to see which
Speaker 1: species would be most likely to survive the journey. So
Speaker 1: basically what that means is they're taking fish eggs and
Speaker 1: they're shaking the ship out of them. They're just there
Speaker 1: shaking them like like the same way they'd get shook
Speaker 1: during liftoff on a rocket. Okay, and to whittle down
Speaker 1: their choices. What they look for, we're fish that had
Speaker 1: modest oxygen requirements, low carbon dioxide output, a short hatching time,
Speaker 1: and resistance to charge particles, which matters because according to
Speaker 1: this like you're exposed to a fair amount of radiation
Speaker 1: during space travel. Right. So after the testing they monitor
Speaker 1: these eggs to see which have the best hatch rates.
Speaker 1: After all this this this vigorous testing and shaking, and
Speaker 1: the two finalists are European c bass and a fish
Speaker 1: called a meager. I think that's how you say that. Okay,
Speaker 1: you're making me feel better because I had never heard
Speaker 1: of that fish. Did you heard of that fish? Nope?
Speaker 1: I had not heard of the fish. I researched the fish.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you something about the fish. But at
Speaker 1: first reading like, what is a meager meg? Yeah, it
Speaker 1: could be me a gray could be there's dude, this
Speaker 1: news is I have more to come. It's gonna be
Speaker 1: chock full of like could be this could be that,
Speaker 1: don't know, but I'm just gonna say meager. Uh that's what.
Speaker 1: That's how I'm reading it. Anyway. Shabilla believes these two
Speaker 1: species might have done the best in testing because they
Speaker 1: are naturally exposed to strong currents and waves in their
Speaker 1: environments and frequently experienced collisions with hard surfaces. So while
Speaker 1: you listeners might not know what those species are, I
Speaker 1: found this fascinating because what they are are the European
Speaker 1: versions of striped bass and sea trout, like a European Yes,
Speaker 1: a European sea bass, which is also just sometimes referred
Speaker 1: to as a European bass um, which is something I've
Speaker 1: always wanted to catch. I've always wanted to catch one.
Speaker 1: I tried to con an old editor into sending me
Speaker 1: long story. He said, no, you're not going over there
Speaker 1: to do that. But anyway, Uh, they look almost identical
Speaker 1: to stripers, but they have no stripes. So like picture
Speaker 1: a striper with no stripes. That's a European sea bass um.
Speaker 1: And they live on the jagged, rocky coast of Britain
Speaker 1: and France and Spain in strikingly similar conditions to those
Speaker 1: around like the famed Montalk rocks and and Block Island um.
Speaker 1: So I that was interestingly that speaks to the heartiness
Speaker 1: of striped bass. They don't get as big like I think,
Speaker 1: like a twenty pounders huge, Like they don't get fifty
Speaker 1: pounders at least not anymore. But same deal man casting
Speaker 1: around the rocks over there, uh, same same habitat. Now
Speaker 1: the meager surprised me though, because that's a croaker um.
Speaker 1: And I always think of sea trout and weak fish
Speaker 1: over here and so on as being pretty fragile, So
Speaker 1: I would have to do I'd have to do more
Speaker 1: research on on the meager. But if you've ever lifted,
Speaker 1: I know, you have, like lifted a sea trout out
Speaker 1: of the water, Like they're not solid like a striper,
Speaker 1: You're not like you can't like give him a punch
Speaker 1: and send them back. They're like they're like mushy, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. Like and I don't feel like
Speaker 1: they're tolerant. Not that I give them a punch, I'm
Speaker 1: just saying, just saying, damn, but I feel like, uh composed.
Speaker 1: I I just don't feel like as we've recently seemed
Speaker 1: like in Texas, like with sea trout, I don't feel
Speaker 1: like they're tolerance for tempt changes or probably radiation or
Speaker 1: getting banged around would would be the same. But what
Speaker 1: do I know? The meager might be different. Um. I
Speaker 1: do wonder though, if one hundred years from now, like
Speaker 1: we'll be on the American side of the moon throwing
Speaker 1: spooks and darters, like acting like where the ship you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, and just like making fun of
Speaker 1: them dabbling their little red guilt teasers on the other
Speaker 1: side of the moon for their European bass that don't
Speaker 1: get the big When I read this, I was like,
Speaker 1: this is amazing, and when do I get to go
Speaker 1: fishing on the Moon. By the time I got through it,
Speaker 1: I was like, probably not in my lifetime. Yeah, So
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, this is actually like a giant fantasy
Speaker 1: and none of this is happening anytime soon. But I
Speaker 1: will say final thoughts, Cyril, you need to like you
Speaker 1: gotta come over here and study some snake heads and
Speaker 1: some Asian carps, because you could literally drop them in
Speaker 1: to whatever water is already on the Moon, Like just
Speaker 1: open the space station door and drop them in there,
Speaker 1: and they'll be fine. They will reproduce. I promise, we
Speaker 1: promise snakeheads crawling through like you'll you'll see little lines
Speaker 1: on the moon through the moon dust will just be
Speaker 1: snakeheads cruising around from lake to lake. Yeah, there you go,
Speaker 1: fish on the Moon. I'm gonna go from from really
Speaker 1: really far flung, like the most far flung fish you
Speaker 1: could imagine too, to at least for me, really close
Speaker 1: to home fish. Uh. The most coveted fishing record in
Speaker 1: my home state of Montana stood for fifty five. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: bring it on. I knew this was coming back. In
Speaker 1: nineteen sixty six, E. H. Bacon, who was known as Peck,
Speaker 1: landed a twenty nine pound brown trout from Wade Lake,
Speaker 1: which is near the Madison River. And I guess a
Speaker 1: wait is still damn good fishing lake. But it hasn't
Speaker 1: put out a monster fish since the seventies, Right, It's
Speaker 1: just it's changed. And I've heard more than one person,
Speaker 1: a lot of people actually lament that the days of
Speaker 1: truly big fish in Montana are over and and so
Speaker 1: that that brown shout record would likely stand forever. The
Speaker 1: last week proved them all wrong. Yep, yep, because that
Speaker 1: record was broken when Robbie Doctor landed a thirty seven
Speaker 1: inch thirty two pounds, six ounce brown It's if you
Speaker 1: want to see photos of this thing, and and you do,
Speaker 1: you gotta go check out the article that Sam Longren
Speaker 1: wrote about it on the media dot com. It's it's
Speaker 1: a hell of a fish, it really is. But uh,
Speaker 1: I also really like the story behind it, Like I
Speaker 1: think there's a great story to go along with the
Speaker 1: gray fish, which doesn't always happen. Since the record was
Speaker 1: was last set in nineteen sixty six, Montana's turned into
Speaker 1: arguably the prime destination for tourists trout fishing in the country.
Speaker 1: A couple of people, tens of thousands people come here
Speaker 1: every year to fish, and and they spend huge sums
Speaker 1: of money to chase big trout. And and we got
Speaker 1: some private lakes and ponds and some private creeks, and
Speaker 1: we got all these these these these guides, thousands of them,
Speaker 1: who take paying clients out on public waters all season.
Speaker 1: And I'm not dogging on on the fishing industry here
Speaker 1: that that relies on tourists. I'm really not because I
Speaker 1: worked in it for a long time and it's a
Speaker 1: big part of our economy. There's nothing wrong with that
Speaker 1: at all. But I gotta say it makes me really
Speaker 1: happy to report that the new record brown was not
Speaker 1: caught by a traveling angler, not by someone who spent
Speaker 1: a ton of the money to come out here and
Speaker 1: do it, but by just a local dude. That's just
Speaker 1: the dude. So Robbie Doctor, he works as alignment for
Speaker 1: sun River Electric, and he's, like we said, he's a
Speaker 1: dude about her edge. He loves to fish, and he
Speaker 1: and his thirteen year old daughter, Sierra, get out on
Speaker 1: the water together every Wednesday after he finished his work.
Speaker 1: According to Doctor, his daughter is a stud who catches
Speaker 1: big fish and kills big deer. So that's quote. Last Wednesday,
Speaker 1: they went out for their usual evening session around seven thirty.
Speaker 1: Doctor was fishing a brown trout cast master spoon on
Speaker 1: four pound test when his line stopped with what he
Speaker 1: described as just nasty heavy weight. When they got the
Speaker 1: fish close enough to see it roll in their head, lamps.
Speaker 1: Doctor's young daughter blurted out, holy sh it, which surprised
Speaker 1: her father because, according to him, she don't cuss. Doctor
Speaker 1: took the net from Sierra and relieved her of the
Speaker 1: serious pressure of capturing a fish like that. For her dad,
Speaker 1: I appreciate that he did. That was like, no, no,
Speaker 1: I got this. So he managed to land it all
Speaker 1: by himself on that four pound test, which is really impressive.
Speaker 1: And I'm just gonna say, if anyone's gonna break the
Speaker 1: record Montana brown trout, this is I could not have
Speaker 1: scripted a better way for it to happen than that
Speaker 1: right there. Total. I could not have come up with
Speaker 1: a better way totally. Now, lots of other outlets, including
Speaker 1: our website, have outed the name of the waterway where
Speaker 1: this fish was caught, but I cannot bring myself to
Speaker 1: do that. I'm not judging others for doing it, but
Speaker 1: I personally just like I can't say it. I fished
Speaker 1: that spot off and on for very long time, and
Speaker 1: the truth is there aren't all that many fish there,
Speaker 1: but there are some really big ones. Though I will
Speaker 1: be completely transparent every listening say, I never thought it
Speaker 1: had to fish that big in it. I knew they
Speaker 1: were a big fish in there, but I didn't think
Speaker 1: it was. Like I feel like a lot of people
Speaker 1: that catch fish like that are like, oh, I never
Speaker 1: would have thought that was in there. It's a kind
Speaker 1: of place where like, yeah, if you're gonna run a
Speaker 1: new a ten pounder, it might happen there, but a
Speaker 1: thirty pounder yeah no, yeah, no, yeah, And and you
Speaker 1: know the place. It's gotten some some publicity over the years,
Speaker 1: like kind of words gotten out on a little bit,
Speaker 1: and but now with the new record being caught there,
Speaker 1: I just I'm not going back because I expect it's
Speaker 1: going to just like totally overrun and there just aren't
Speaker 1: enough fish in that spot too for the number of
Speaker 1: people who are gonna be chasing them, which, let's be honest,
Speaker 1: it's stupid and shortsighted. That's like some like you think
Speaker 1: you're gonna go catch a bigger one tomorrow, like I
Speaker 1: I never got Yeah, it's it's it's just what's gonna happen.
Speaker 1: And it makes me a little bit sad. But what
Speaker 1: doesn't make me sad is this story because I'm I'm
Speaker 1: seriously happy for Robbie and Sierra. That's that's how that
Speaker 1: should have happened, and I'm glad it did. I also
Speaker 1: have to say, is it terrible that I love that
Speaker 1: it was caught on a cast Master? No, not at all,
Speaker 1: Like I think that that's so anti Montana and I
Speaker 1: just love it. I just love it. I think it's terrific.
Speaker 1: Could not have happened better, you know, because I'm not
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna. I'm not gonna and I'm not gonna
Speaker 1: like be specific because I don't I'm not trying to
Speaker 1: make anybody feel bad. But like there have been instances
Speaker 1: with big records where like the dude who gets it
Speaker 1: makes it known that like it's his life work to
Speaker 1: catch this record, you know what I mean, Like yeah,
Speaker 1: and then for some reason when it happens, I don't know,
Speaker 1: I'm just not that excited, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: Like it's just not that exciting. And we how many
Speaker 1: times have we just talked about how just generally speaking,
Speaker 1: we're not into records, like you know, you report on
Speaker 1: them when they happen, but like this is like this
Speaker 1: is this is the like the dream record scenario, just
Speaker 1: complete humble, like no, like just take your kid fishing.
Speaker 1: Like I almost feel like that dude deserves it more
Speaker 1: than some dude who's like makes it his life work
Speaker 1: to find that fish. Oh absolutely, I mean deserves a
Speaker 1: tough word. But I'm happier that it went that way
Speaker 1: than the other way because I don't think my issues
Speaker 1: so much with records as record chasing. That just doesn't
Speaker 1: do it for me. So when record chasers get the record,
Speaker 1: I'm like, man, of course, But when when when Robbie
Speaker 1: Doctor gets a ticket his daughter's air fishing on a Wednesday,
Speaker 1: And I'm like, hell, yeah, that's amazing, man, Like, how
Speaker 1: how old is that fish? You probably know the trout
Speaker 1: biology better than I do. I'm assuming I don't mean
Speaker 1: rarely live beyond a decade. I know that much. I'd
Speaker 1: be curious to get that fish age and find out
Speaker 1: how old it really is. Yeah. Yeah, Well he said
Speaker 1: the other one wasn't gonna fall. Is that ever gonna
Speaker 1: fall in Montana? I mean like that, you know, I
Speaker 1: don't know, man, I don't know. I wouldn't say it won't,
Speaker 1: but I wouldn't bet money on it happening anytime soon. Yeah.
Speaker 1: But stories like that also, like another thing that they're
Speaker 1: very good for is like putting that in your head.
Speaker 1: It's like, man, you really don't know what's out there,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. No, the magic of fishing
Speaker 1: anywhere we go. It's like you think you know what
Speaker 1: lives in there, and you just you don't. You don't,
Speaker 1: you don't. So Castmaster took that one. I'm gonna suggest
Speaker 1: maybe a couple other lawyers here. I'd be real impressed
Speaker 1: if somebody called a record anything on. That was not
Speaker 1: a great transition. But that's that's what it's what I got.
Speaker 1: We gotta go, We gotta keep things moving here. Uh So,
Speaker 1: when you and I were kids and people listening to
Speaker 1: I'm sure like something we had snoopy bobbers, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean? Did you have a snoopy bober snoopy bobber?
Speaker 1: But I remember you didn't actually have one. I was
Speaker 1: just straight red and white man. I had the standard bobbers.
Speaker 1: I didn't have I didn't have the fancy bobbers. All right.
Speaker 1: So all right, so some of us maybe had snoopy
Speaker 1: bobbers or like a ninja turtle rod and reel and
Speaker 1: like maybe even later in life, you had one of
Speaker 1: those cores light shape crank baits, you know, remember those,
Speaker 1: right or like, but yes, I remember that saying okay,
Speaker 1: same deal. Are like your dad gifted you the Joe
Speaker 1: camel lore after he smoked enough cartons to earn it,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? But I think what what
Speaker 1: what I'm driving at here though, is that I think
Speaker 1: with all these like brand or character driven pieces of
Speaker 1: tackle um that we have here in America, I think
Speaker 1: most of its just we look at those as they're
Speaker 1: either a novelty or it's for the kids, right, like
Speaker 1: if if my little pony rod gets your little girl
Speaker 1: excited to get on the water, rock and roll? Right?
Speaker 1: And what is what has not really happened in the
Speaker 1: U S and I hope it never does. Is this
Speaker 1: weird sort of crossing over of fishing tackle with like
Speaker 1: super trendy or pop culture driven brands that have absolutely
Speaker 1: nothing to do with fishing. But this is actually happening
Speaker 1: quite a bit lately um in Japan, and it seems
Speaker 1: like owning fishing stuff whether you use it or not,
Speaker 1: whether you fish or not, there's enough uh desire for
Speaker 1: that that it's becoming a big enough business that crossovers
Speaker 1: are appealing to tackle manufacturers that you would think like
Speaker 1: wouldn't have any reason to do this or or be
Speaker 1: bothered to even entertain the idea. Now as an example, right,
Speaker 1: So recently, Diawa teamed up with a company called Bape,
Speaker 1: which is a shortened version of bathing Ape according to
Speaker 1: my research, And like all they are is like a
Speaker 1: clothing and housewares company in Japan, and their bread and
Speaker 1: butter is like T shirts and throw pillows and drink wear.
Speaker 1: You know, it's like a it's like it's like a
Speaker 1: Japanese version of urban outfitters, you know, something like I
Speaker 1: don't know if you know, like which is we all
Speaker 1: know it's just a one stop shop for hipsters that
Speaker 1: like kind of want a garden, like maybe want to
Speaker 1: try a skateboard they're not sure, like want to purchase
Speaker 1: cassette tapes without risking getting tetanus at the flea market
Speaker 1: like I used to. Anyway, di Wa and this is
Speaker 1: like Diwa Diala collaborated uh with Bape on a custom
Speaker 1: zillion bait caster they called the Fishing Ape, which sold
Speaker 1: for forty thousand yen which is almost four US, and
Speaker 1: they all sold out. So if Babe had some no
Speaker 1: name real maker, make a bunch of reels flying. But
Speaker 1: this is Diawa and this is happening with many other
Speaker 1: well known tackle makers over there creating um lore lines
Speaker 1: for fashion brands and stuff like that that are like
Speaker 1: joint sold on the on the fashion but yeah, it's weird.
Speaker 1: Um So anyway, the latest collab which popped up in
Speaker 1: my news feed is from Duo Lures, and any serious
Speaker 1: bass heads listening will recognize that, uh Duo's realis line.
Speaker 1: They have spy baits, swim baits, jerk baits, you name it,
Speaker 1: and it's all very available in the US and even
Speaker 1: on several of our big online tackle sites. Um, I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't you ever heard of Duo loures? Yeah, but
Speaker 1: I don't. I've never fished them. Yeah I I have.
Speaker 1: I fished a few, I've got my hands on a few,
Speaker 1: and it's I mean, it's top shell stuff like badass
Speaker 1: loures from Japan. Well, Duo might be the luckiest of
Speaker 1: the collaborators because it appears they have scored the Pokemon license.
Speaker 1: Oh no, yes, right, And according to the website hype Beasts,
Speaker 1: Duo is making two Pokemon top waters and like you know,
Speaker 1: some of you have right now are like which ones?
Speaker 1: Tell us which ones? Which ones? Why's the do you
Speaker 1: got for my birthday? Right? But anyway, uh so, naturally
Speaker 1: you've got Pikachu and he or she I don't really
Speaker 1: know what sex Pikachu is is modeled after the Jitterbug
Speaker 1: and has a removable tail with an extra stinger trouble
Speaker 1: on the back, so you can opt out of his
Speaker 1: little lightning bolt tail and have three troubles on your
Speaker 1: Jitterbug and instead of the triditional two. And then they've
Speaker 1: also done kyogrew kyogre. Don't look at me, I know
Speaker 1: I'm looking at somebody how Mommy doesn't even know how
Speaker 1: to say k you know, I don't know. I don't either.
Speaker 1: And and that one is a crawler style top water
Speaker 1: you know, you know, so with a little wings and
Speaker 1: and and and anyway, look like I said, these are
Speaker 1: not like novelties completely though, because these are really well
Speaker 1: made lords with really good components, like designed like finally
Speaker 1: crafted by a company that is known for finally crafted lures.
Speaker 1: And these are not like the cores can so if
Speaker 1: you if you couldn get your hands on them, which
Speaker 1: spoiler alert you cannot. The first run is way way
Speaker 1: way sold out. So if you were thinking party favors
Speaker 1: your your ship out of luck, it's not happening. But
Speaker 1: you'd be spending twenty three bucks for the Pikachu and
Speaker 1: forty six for the Kyogeri, which is uh, significantly more
Speaker 1: money than just like what a Duo realis jerk bait
Speaker 1: will cost you on tackle warehouse. That was I was
Speaker 1: gonna ask if there's a markup for the there's a
Speaker 1: mark up from all of this, like the like the
Speaker 1: zillion reel. If you do the math that the Babe
Speaker 1: zillion reel was almost a hundred bucks more than if
Speaker 1: you just went to die and bought a zillion bait cast.
Speaker 1: So all of this is significantly marked up once it's
Speaker 1: co branded with this stuff, right, and then like this
Speaker 1: this hype beast thing. There was also this weird link
Speaker 1: to Duo's like secret backdoor project site. It's like it's
Speaker 1: this whole secret lure thing. And I thought that was
Speaker 1: bad enough with people just clamoring to get hard, you know,
Speaker 1: hard to get Japanese lures that they actually might fish.
Speaker 1: But now right, so I just I find it all
Speaker 1: fascinating and weird, but I I don't see it working
Speaker 1: here because if it's cheap, nobody wants it, you know.
Speaker 1: I mean, like nobody cares about the John Deer Hula popper.
Speaker 1: They'll just buy the color that they want if it's
Speaker 1: the same price. And likewise, nobody is paying extra money
Speaker 1: for the Hollister branded pen reel here. So this is
Speaker 1: like a very uniquely Japanese thing. Um. But I don't know,
Speaker 1: I just find it fascinating that like lures are now
Speaker 1: becoming i don't know, just like a thing like a
Speaker 1: like a house plant, like things that people want that
Speaker 1: have nothing to do with fishing. Yeah, I can't I
Speaker 1: can't understand that. This is a good example of why
Speaker 1: I like, I'm not a business whiz, because if somebody
Speaker 1: coming to like, uh no, that sounds like a terrible idea,
Speaker 1: and clearly they're selling out in a different market very well,
Speaker 1: So it shows what I don't know. Yeah, and there's dude,
Speaker 1: there's videos of these Pokemon lawyers aside from the pact
Speaker 1: that they're Pokemon lawers, like moving through the water. I
Speaker 1: mean they look like they will get chewed, like like
Speaker 1: the frigging jitterbug Pikachu. Like the looks fishy as ship
Speaker 1: like it will get hammered. I'm sure it will. But
Speaker 1: why would I pay the extra for the beak too?
Speaker 1: I wouldn't. You you wouldn't. But there's another video and
Speaker 1: I can't understand it because it's in Japanese. But like
Speaker 1: the president of Duo looks very excited about this collaboration,
Speaker 1: which I understand because it's Pokemon. Like you're gonna sell
Speaker 1: like you thought the dude with the other thing with
Speaker 1: the babe is making money. You're gonna sell some Pokemon lawders.
Speaker 1: So good on them for working that one out for sure.
Speaker 1: And that's the one I'm hoping. Phil, are you into Pokemon?
Speaker 1: I'm banking on it. I don't know, by the way,
Speaker 1: and I am. I am insulted on your behalf. Moving
Speaker 1: on anyway, Phil, whether you're offended or you just you're
Speaker 1: just online right now trying to get one of those
Speaker 1: lures some way. He's not even listening anymore. He's just
Speaker 1: it's just back ordering. I know. We'll see, we'll see,
Speaker 1: we'll see what happens. We'll see it. My fate is
Speaker 1: And after we hear from Phil, we're gonna do a
Speaker 1: little fin clips and talk about a buffalo soldier. Most
Speaker 1: of you guys probably have never heard of Miles. Thank
Speaker 1: you for sticking up for me, because Joe, I don't
Speaker 1: know what about me would make you think that I'm
Speaker 1: the kind of person who would know that a Pikachu
Speaker 1: is a species and therefore can be male or female,
Speaker 1: or that Kyoger is a legendary water Pokemon first introduced
Speaker 1: in jen threeng was the cover Pokemon for Pokemon Sapphire
Speaker 1: on the Game Boy Advance. But you know, much like
Speaker 1: those nerds who play Pokemon, I'll do a little role
Speaker 1: playing here and pretend to be someone who is interested
Speaker 1: in any of that bull crap and say, oh, Joe,
Speaker 1: you're the winner, thanks for letting me know about all
Speaker 1: these really cool lures. The uh let's see, still out
Speaker 1: of stock. Damn it? A big mouth buffalo or kind
Speaker 1: of a sleeper fish. Even though they're found from southwestern
Speaker 1: Canada to Louisiana, can go more than seventy pounds and
Speaker 1: pull like a goddamn freight train, they're never really caught
Speaker 1: on as a sport fish. If you have ever seen
Speaker 1: or heard of a big mouth buffalo is a good
Speaker 1: chance you either mistook it for a common carp or
Speaker 1: someone told you it was a carp. I'm gonna let
Speaker 1: Stephen Ronnella set you straight on that buffalo ain't carp.
Speaker 1: Got that good because it's an important distinction. If you're
Speaker 1: in the camp of miscategorizing this fish, you're not alone.
Speaker 1: Their Latin name is Atopis spernallis. Spernallis means small carp,
Speaker 1: so people have been misnaming this fish for a very
Speaker 1: long time. To be fair, they do look a little
Speaker 1: like a common carp. They have large scales, broad shoulders,
Speaker 1: big rubbery lips, and a generally similar profile. But big
Speaker 1: mouth buffalo are actually the largest member of the sucker family,
Speaker 1: and unlike carp they're very much native to North America.
Speaker 1: Being native, they're an important component of the ecosystems and
Speaker 1: food webs. Young buffalo or common prey for sport fish
Speaker 1: like bass, walleye, pike, and muskie. As they get bigger,
Speaker 1: they have fewer natural predators. But the one and twenty
Speaker 1: three pound world record flathead catfish Cotton, Kansas had a
Speaker 1: fifteen pound big mouth buffalo in its gut. Strangely enough,
Speaker 1: that flathead was caught as bycatched by a croppy angler,
Speaker 1: which just validates the fact that catfish eat anything from
Speaker 1: fifteen pound fish to minnows. Buffalo themselves are primarily filter feeders,
Speaker 1: meaning they don't usually target and attack prey. They kind
Speaker 1: of eat like humpback whales, swimming around, sucking in water
Speaker 1: and filtering out whatever food items they come up with,
Speaker 1: mostly insects and zooplankton. This is part of the reason
Speaker 1: they haven't caught on with anglers. Targeting fish that don't
Speaker 1: key in on prey is difficult. More on that later.
Speaker 1: They are, however, sometimes caught on crank baits, most often
Speaker 1: in the spring. Two people have shown me photographic evidence
Speaker 1: of big mouth buffalo landed with crank baits hooked in
Speaker 1: their mouths. I've also heard quite a few unconfirmed rumors
Speaker 1: from folks who claimed to catch them on cranks and
Speaker 1: other lures with some regularity. But if you ask Alec Lackman,
Speaker 1: one of the foremost buffalo biologists, about this, he'll tell
Speaker 1: you he's unsure. Alex studied a fair number of buffalo
Speaker 1: and has never seen compelling evidence that buffalo target and
Speaker 1: attack smaller fish. Since they swim around with their mouths
Speaker 1: open much of the time, they might accidentally get impaled
Speaker 1: by a passing hook. Or It's also possible that they
Speaker 1: might switch up their diets and seek out higher protein
Speaker 1: food options in certain situations. That's still an open question,
Speaker 1: one of many when it comes to buffalo. See. Even
Speaker 1: though they're a native fish common across much of the US,
Speaker 1: buffalo have been ignored by almost everybody, including fisheries biologists.
Speaker 1: If you look them up, you can find academic resources
Speaker 1: right now that claim these fish lived ten to fifteen
Speaker 1: years and exhibit spawning behavior similar to most other suckers.
Speaker 1: But that's just not true. In nineteen Alec Lackman, the
Speaker 1: biologist I mentioned earlier radio carbon dated the odalitz or
Speaker 1: earbones from big mouth buffalo harvested by bow fishers from
Speaker 1: some lakes in his home state of Minnesota. The oldest
Speaker 1: fish he recorded was one and twelve before catching an arrow.
Speaker 1: That fish had survived two World War Is, the Great Depression, Prohibition,
Speaker 1: the entire Space program, fifty three Super Bowls, and the
Speaker 1: invention of the Internet. Despite living through all that, the
Speaker 1: fish was an excellent condition, which really begs the question,
Speaker 1: how long can these fish live? No one knows. Finding
Speaker 1: such an old fish was shocking, but Equally shocking was
Speaker 1: what Lackman didn't find in the Pelican Lakes and River
Speaker 1: system where he did his research. Lackman discovered that almost
Speaker 1: nine of the fish are eighty years or older. He
Speaker 1: found a few fish in their early forties and none
Speaker 1: younger than that, which means the buffalo haven't been consistently
Speaker 1: reproducing there since the thirties, and haven't reproduced at all
Speaker 1: since the late seventies. The reasons for this aren't yet
Speaker 1: to find, but right around that time, damns were going
Speaker 1: up in common carp we're starting to proliferate. The damns
Speaker 1: might have changed the hydrology of the area enough that
Speaker 1: buffalo can't find the right spawning habitat, and the carp
Speaker 1: might be crowding them out of their spawning grounds. At
Speaker 1: least for now, it's all still an open question. Blackman
Speaker 1: has concluded that buffalo employ a reproductive strategy called periodic recruitment,
Speaker 1: meaning that they live a really long time but only
Speaker 1: spawn wind conditions are near optimal. Sturgeon do something similar.
Speaker 1: Lackman and some colleagues published a paper that made kind
Speaker 1: of a stir and finally finally got people talking about
Speaker 1: and interested in buffalo and that includes me. I hardly
Speaker 1: even knew these fish existed before, and ever since then,
Speaker 1: I've been freaking mesmerized by their creepy, lacked doll eyes.
Speaker 1: Ryan Callahan and I got so geeked out on these
Speaker 1: fish that we decided to do a whole doss bowed
Speaker 1: episode on them, which is how I ended up getting
Speaker 1: to know Alec. Though I got to spend a few
Speaker 1: days fishing for buffalo, I never completely sealed the deal.
Speaker 1: These fish pull hard, and every single one I stuck
Speaker 1: either broke me off or bent out my hooks. In
Speaker 1: my mind, buffalo could be the next obsession fish for
Speaker 1: anglers who love a challenge. They're big, powerful, and smart.
Speaker 1: You can sit fish for them. They will feed on
Speaker 1: the surface in the right conditions. They're like milk fish,
Speaker 1: except you don't have to spend four days and twenty
Speaker 1: grand flying to say shehells to cast to them. I
Speaker 1: also here they make exceptional table fair and that barbecue
Speaker 1: buffalo ribs or delicacy. Just make sure you're taking them
Speaker 1: from a population that's reproducing, and don't kill the octogenarians.
Speaker 1: Despite my failures, buffalo can be consistently taken on hook
Speaker 1: and line I got to know a guy in Minneapolis
Speaker 1: who catches them with a souped up ten car rod
Speaker 1: and chunks of inflated nightcrawler. It works, I saw it,
Speaker 1: but I'm convinced that there are other ways, And to me,
Speaker 1: that's probably the most intriguing thing about these fish. The
Speaker 1: playbook for them has yet to be written. They're an
Speaker 1: utterly common exotic sport fish except right now. They're classified
Speaker 1: as rough fish in most places, meaning they get very
Speaker 1: little management attention and often have no harvest limits. Buffalo
Speaker 1: are a favorite target of both fishers, who like just
Speaker 1: about everyone else, assume that their carp and that removing
Speaker 1: them in masses not just fun but beneficial to ecosystems.
Speaker 1: These fish need advocates, so please find out if you
Speaker 1: have them in your local waters, Learn the difference between
Speaker 1: a buffalo and a carp and test your skills on them,
Speaker 1: and if you figured out, give me a shout. I
Speaker 1: might just show up for a visit. All right, I'm
Speaker 1: going to ask the question that I know you're waiting for.
Speaker 1: What the hell did that segment have to do with
Speaker 1: this week's theme? How are you tying this one? I
Speaker 1: am so glad you asked Joe. I appreciate well gross
Speaker 1: point blank revolves around the main character trying to figure
Speaker 1: out his identity. Right, how are you? Yeah, I'm a
Speaker 1: pet psychiatrist. I sell countri charts, and I had I
Speaker 1: did a test market positive thinking, and I need a
Speaker 1: weekend men's group. We specialized ritual killings. Yeah. Yeah. And
Speaker 1: and then in the end, if he wants to save
Speaker 1: himself and get the girl and and and live the
Speaker 1: happily ever after thing, he has to reclaim his identity.
Speaker 1: So you're making an analogy with the fact that buffalo
Speaker 1: have been given this invasive carp identity and if we
Speaker 1: want to save them, what like, they need to go
Speaker 1: back to being what they actually are, native non invasive suckers.
Speaker 1: Nailed it, Yes, exactly. Huh listen, I'm gonna do is
Speaker 1: say anything theme next week full on Voyd Dobbler. Yes,
Speaker 1: I support that, And Diane Court will represent a hog
Speaker 1: Larry at the country club that you shouldn't be fishing.
Speaker 1: How's that? I appreciated that. And I don't know if
Speaker 1: more or less people will get those references, but there
Speaker 1: there's not a single person listening right now that won't
Speaker 1: know the lure you're about to cover in this week's
Speaker 1: end the line, because whether you love it or hate it,
Speaker 1: you just keep buying them fish. Well, that's not loud enough. Sanko's,
Speaker 1: Where do you stand? Are they a miracle lore or
Speaker 1: have they made it so easy for people to catch
Speaker 1: bass that they're at cheat or are you in the middle?
Speaker 1: Is it okay when you catch a big bass on
Speaker 1: a wacky rigg sinko but lame when someone else does it?
Speaker 1: Do you scoff at Sinko's while keeping a statue of
Speaker 1: them in your bag as an insurance policy? When you
Speaker 1: do catch a fish worthy of an insta post, are
Speaker 1: you keep in the sinko in its mouth and owning it?
Speaker 1: Are you gonna be vague and maybe throw up a
Speaker 1: hashtag Mega Bass? No matter where you stand, don't rush
Speaker 1: to judgment on what our bud Mike i Canelli refers
Speaker 1: to as the magic hot Dog recently Metator's fishing editor
Speaker 1: my buddy Sam Longer and penned a detailed piece for
Speaker 1: the meat Eater dot Com proposing that the Senko is
Speaker 1: in fact the greatest soft plastic ever created and per
Speaker 1: sam story, the Senko hit the market and Gary Yamamoto
Speaker 1: reportedly took inspiration from a big pen to create some
Speaker 1: of the earliest senko molds. At the time, there were
Speaker 1: other soft stick baits on the market, such as the Slugo,
Speaker 1: but Yamamoto played with the weight, density, buoyancy, and a
Speaker 1: slew of other details to create a loure that pretty
Speaker 1: much any angler of any skill level can use to
Speaker 1: catch big bass. The caveat is that it's not just
Speaker 1: the lure but how you rig it. It's effective rig
Speaker 1: Texas style or on a jighead, or Carolina style or weedless,
Speaker 1: but it's fair to say none of those methods activate
Speaker 1: the magic. Like wacky rigging to wacky rigging sanko, tie
Speaker 1: a small short shank hook on the end of your
Speaker 1: line and just run it right through the center of
Speaker 1: the bait there perpendicular to the body. That's it. There's
Speaker 1: no bullet weights or split shot or nails or specialty
Speaker 1: terminal tackle. Just simply cast that weightless sanko out and
Speaker 1: let it fall, and as it does, it will undulate
Speaker 1: and it will wobble, and if you don't get smoked
Speaker 1: on the drop, let the bait just sit on the bottom.
Speaker 1: Maybe even for like a full minute, because it's not
Speaker 1: uncommon for a fish to just suck it up while
Speaker 1: it's laying there lifeless. And if one doesn't slightly lift
Speaker 1: a rod and give it a very short hop and
Speaker 1: repeat this slow grind until eventually that lawer makes it
Speaker 1: back to the boat in a nutshell, that's wacky rigging.
Speaker 1: And for many reasons that are more speculation than fact,
Speaker 1: bass can rarely leave a wacky rigged sanko alone. And
Speaker 1: because it's productive minus a lot of effort on your part,
Speaker 1: it has helped coin the term do nothing bait in
Speaker 1: the bass fishing world. Interestingly, many people associate the invention
Speaker 1: of the sinko with the advent of wacky rigging, but
Speaker 1: that's not really accurate. Anglers have been casting plastic worms
Speaker 1: hooked through the middle since the original cream worm hit
Speaker 1: the market in but nobody was making a fuss about
Speaker 1: it or giving it any sort of label. Believe it
Speaker 1: or not, Many bass fishing historians trace the origin of
Speaker 1: the wacky rig craze to New Jersey and a lord
Speaker 1: called the Jersey rig. Jersey rigs were developed by Jeff Camarino,
Speaker 1: and they look shockingly similar to a Senko though a
Speaker 1: little shorter and stubby here Now today, packs of these
Speaker 1: baits are highly coveted on eBay and they maintain a
Speaker 1: cult following, with many cult members claiming they're far more
Speaker 1: effective than the Senko. In fact, in the right circles,
Speaker 1: if you say wacky rig, somebody will say, oh, you
Speaker 1: mean Jersey rig. Camerino never had a website, working only
Speaker 1: via mail order and accepting only checks, but the Jersey
Speaker 1: rig still caught on within bass circles because when hooked
Speaker 1: through the middle, they really shine on the highly pressured
Speaker 1: lakes throughout the Northeast. And Camarino was pumping out his
Speaker 1: Jersey rigs right around the time the Sanko debut. And
Speaker 1: that's not to suggest the Yamamoto ripped off the Jersey rig,
Speaker 1: because many companies developed similar lures, but rather that the
Speaker 1: marketing juice and ability to get product and so many
Speaker 1: more hands helped the Sinko corner the market and grab
Speaker 1: the spotlight. Now there's no shortage of Sinko imitators out
Speaker 1: there today, like Berkeley's, the General and the Strike king
Speaker 1: o Cho, just to name a few. And they're good.
Speaker 1: I've caught fish on them, but I've yet to find
Speaker 1: a stick bait that I would say matches the productivity
Speaker 1: and ability to draw a strike when nothing else seems
Speaker 1: to quite like the sinko. And I've also heard that
Speaker 1: the exact formula for a sinko is guarded like the
Speaker 1: recipe for coca cola. And I believe that because while
Speaker 1: it's easy to look at a sinko and call it
Speaker 1: dumb or call it simple, if you think of the
Speaker 1: tinkering that had to be done to make it so effective,
Speaker 1: it's actually an engineering marvel. Now, as for me, I mean,
Speaker 1: I love sanko's and I never bass fish without them,
Speaker 1: and they may not be what I tie on first,
Speaker 1: but when the bite I hope for isn't materializing, I
Speaker 1: can't tie one on fast enough. So am I cheating
Speaker 1: every time I do that? Would you discredit my personal
Speaker 1: best homewater smalley because I caught it on a wacky
Speaker 1: rig sinko, which by the way, I did In my opinion,
Speaker 1: that would be dumb because while we love to kick
Speaker 1: around this term do nothing lure, there is no lure
Speaker 1: that is truly do nothing and productive. Every single time.
Speaker 1: A wacky rig sinko may help a lot of people
Speaker 1: get luckier than they would have. But most of the
Speaker 1: time the lure isn't enough and it won't do you
Speaker 1: much good if you don't know exactly where to throw it,
Speaker 1: how aggressively or subtly it'll work, it exactly what kind
Speaker 1: of gear you should throw it on in different situations,
Speaker 1: and a whole bunch of other things that you really
Speaker 1: only learned through time on the water. And once they
Speaker 1: invent a lure that you can literally cast anywhere at
Speaker 1: any time, in any water and it catches fish every
Speaker 1: single time you send it out there, well, hell I
Speaker 1: quit Well, that brings us to the end of our
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Speaker 1: Niebert were giving out thumbs that didn't get turned into lures,
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Speaker 1: incorporating phishing's most closely guarded secret formula, the hottest new
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Speaker 1: see how many gross point tags there are, but Miles
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