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Speaker 1: Welcome to Bent the Fishing podcast that ranks Captain Ron,

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Speaker 1: Backdraft and Nothing but Trouble among the greatest movies ever made,

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Speaker 1: None of that adds up, Which is why I'm saying,

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Speaker 1: I don't care what you say. Then fingers is fresh,

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Speaker 1: and we hear it, Ben, We're fully prepared to cooperate

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Speaker 1: wherever you needed. Do not implicate me in your crazy

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Speaker 1: Maybe they didn't make themselves. Your your argument there is solid.

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Speaker 1: Maybe they bought in the state sale from some Hollywood

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Speaker 1: turn them into pike lureds like it's that, or just

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Speaker 1: seen the documentary series Don't with Cats? Have you ever

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Speaker 1: seen that? I haven't? No Ah. It started off with

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Speaker 1: I hope you like this doesn't translate down to to

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Speaker 1: mediator dot com. We're also accepting leads, theories, and anonymous

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Speaker 1: tips at the same email address. Before we move on

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Speaker 1: We can solve this whole thing for fifteen bucks plus shipping. Dude,

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Speaker 1: just motor one. No, no, we cannot. Have you never

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Speaker 1: I mean. Like in the past, in the past, we've

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Speaker 1: Maybe I'm wrong, and maybe maybe the dude's not a

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Speaker 1: no psychopath kills for no reason. I killed for money.

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Speaker 1: And if that turns out to be the case, we

424
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Speaker 1: can promise that we will cover it in a future

425
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Speaker 1: fish News. Fish News. That escalated quickly. I got, I

426
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Speaker 1: got a little housekeeping. I gotta shout out today for listener. Ryan.

427
00:23:44,680 --> 00:23:46,960
Speaker 1: It's either little or little. I'm not sure which, but

428
00:23:47,000 --> 00:23:50,680
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go with little. Could go either way. Yeah,

429
00:23:50,880 --> 00:23:53,000
Speaker 1: I'm gonna butcher another name today for sure. So just

430
00:23:53,200 --> 00:23:55,920
Speaker 1: everybody deal with it. You might remember that a few

431
00:23:55,960 --> 00:23:59,480
Speaker 1: weeks ago, Joe, you did a story about the woman

432
00:23:59,640 --> 00:24:02,600
Speaker 1: who turned her pet coi into soup after they all died.

433
00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:05,280
Speaker 1: Do you remember that one? I think about it daily. Yes?

434
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Speaker 1: Were they delicious? So Ryan sent us an email titled

435
00:24:11,240 --> 00:24:15,320
Speaker 1: Coi for bass Forage, in which he said, although COI

436
00:24:15,440 --> 00:24:19,840
Speaker 1: maybe expensive in Japan, they are not in Texas and

437
00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:24,000
Speaker 1: uh and so I looked around and he's he's correct

438
00:24:24,040 --> 00:24:27,160
Speaker 1: about that, dude. It turns out Texas Parks and Wildlife

439
00:24:27,240 --> 00:24:32,960
Speaker 1: raises seventy million coi a year in their hatcheries that

440
00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:37,720
Speaker 1: they feed to captive large mouth broodstock. Yeah, that's what

441
00:24:37,840 --> 00:24:41,879
Speaker 1: they raise to feed their broodstock, and according to the

442
00:24:42,359 --> 00:24:46,280
Speaker 1: Texas Parks and Wildlife website, coi are easy to raise,

443
00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:51,240
Speaker 1: grow fast and lack the sharp dorsal spines, making them

444
00:24:51,280 --> 00:24:54,399
Speaker 1: easy for bass to eat. So that's why they do

445
00:24:54,440 --> 00:24:56,320
Speaker 1: the ki is because bass can just go up them

446
00:24:56,359 --> 00:24:59,160
Speaker 1: down and they won't have any spine issues. Uh and

447
00:24:59,160 --> 00:25:02,640
Speaker 1: and Ryan also wrote us quote, there's some real fun

448
00:25:02,760 --> 00:25:05,840
Speaker 1: to be had skipping koi side armed across a hatchery

449
00:25:05,840 --> 00:25:08,119
Speaker 1: pond and watching a ten pound bass jump out of

450
00:25:08,160 --> 00:25:11,000
Speaker 1: the water to destroy it. Yeah. He also included a

451
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Speaker 1: video of himself tossing a handful of coin into the

452
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Speaker 1: brood brood stock bass poond so we could get the

453
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Speaker 1: full effect. Check out the check out the instagrams to

454
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Speaker 1: see what that looks like. Because it's it's pretty fun.

455
00:25:21,920 --> 00:25:23,760
Speaker 1: We'll throw that, We'll throw that up. But I'm glad

456
00:25:23,760 --> 00:25:26,480
Speaker 1: you dug a little deeper because when when this first

457
00:25:26,520 --> 00:25:28,520
Speaker 1: came in, I watched it and for a second, I'm like,

458
00:25:28,560 --> 00:25:30,520
Speaker 1: I I did not understand what was going on, Like

459
00:25:30,520 --> 00:25:35,200
Speaker 1: there's just context. But all I could think, like now

460
00:25:35,200 --> 00:25:37,879
Speaker 1: that we know this is what if you're the person

461
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Speaker 1: in Dallas with the beautiful KOI pond out back and

462
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Speaker 1: like you're the sucker going to pet Smart and paying

463
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Speaker 1: two of KOI. I'd be going there and just be

464
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Speaker 1: like I just get a scoop, Like you've got forty

465
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Speaker 1: million of them, just like steak. I just want some KOI.

466
00:25:52,080 --> 00:25:54,240
Speaker 1: I know, I know. They don't cost you guys anything.

467
00:25:54,560 --> 00:25:56,920
Speaker 1: I know. And it's also weird because like you can't fish,

468
00:25:57,119 --> 00:26:00,480
Speaker 1: you can't buy goldfish and use them as bait anywhere,

469
00:26:00,520 --> 00:26:02,399
Speaker 1: Like they wouldn't want this coy to get out. But

470
00:26:02,440 --> 00:26:05,280
Speaker 1: then like seeing them all in that race just feeding

471
00:26:05,280 --> 00:26:08,520
Speaker 1: these giant bass as cool as shit, and I was

472
00:26:08,560 --> 00:26:11,120
Speaker 1: super cool. Yeah, I didn't take enough time to figure

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Speaker 1: out how they started, like how coy became the thing

474
00:26:14,040 --> 00:26:16,159
Speaker 1: that they started raising as as a food source. But

475
00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:18,680
Speaker 1: somewhere long line, someone had to go like, damn, these

476
00:26:18,760 --> 00:26:21,879
Speaker 1: make good bass food, let's just raise them. Yeah, but

477
00:26:21,920 --> 00:26:23,359
Speaker 1: I don't know how that happened. I bet there's a

478
00:26:23,359 --> 00:26:25,359
Speaker 1: good origin story there. Yeah. And if you if you

479
00:26:25,440 --> 00:26:27,159
Speaker 1: happen to know Ryan you need a scoop, he can

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00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:30,960
Speaker 1: probably hook it up. Um I yeah, no, Ryan, thank

481
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Speaker 1: you for that. It was an awesome video. We will

482
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Speaker 1: share it. I don't have any shout outs this week

483
00:26:34,560 --> 00:26:36,080
Speaker 1: so we can we can get onto the news here.

484
00:26:36,119 --> 00:26:39,399
Speaker 1: As a reminder, though, uh, this is a competition, Miles

485
00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:41,160
Speaker 1: and I do not know which stories the other guy

486
00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:44,600
Speaker 1: is bringing, as we proved last week because we we

487
00:26:44,600 --> 00:26:47,760
Speaker 1: we had the same story just gonna happen on occasion.

488
00:26:47,800 --> 00:26:50,359
Speaker 1: So we'll see what happens now. And uh, at the

489
00:26:50,440 --> 00:26:53,439
Speaker 1: end of all this, our audio engineer, Phil gets to

490
00:26:53,680 --> 00:26:55,680
Speaker 1: judge us and pick a winner. And I'm gonna go

491
00:26:55,680 --> 00:26:57,320
Speaker 1: out on a limb and say one of my stories

492
00:26:57,480 --> 00:26:59,680
Speaker 1: this week, just based on what I know about Phil

493
00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:02,400
Speaker 1: and his hobbies and things, it's gonna appeal to him,

494
00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:06,160
Speaker 1: and I'm going to win. I'm just just feeling confident.

495
00:27:06,320 --> 00:27:08,159
Speaker 1: But you, yeah, I am. But you do have the

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00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:11,240
Speaker 1: lead off, so that's an advantage in this game. And

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00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:14,040
Speaker 1: the floor is yours. I didn't pick my stories for

498
00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:16,159
Speaker 1: Phil this week, for sure. I picked them based on

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00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:18,719
Speaker 1: my own interests and and to try and avoid crossing

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00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:21,560
Speaker 1: over with you again. And uh, I've been I've been

501
00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:24,439
Speaker 1: going north of the border a bunch lately, and and

502
00:27:24,520 --> 00:27:26,679
Speaker 1: that so far has worked for me, and and I

503
00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:30,360
Speaker 1: haven't gone cross ways. So I'm going back. I'm going

504
00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:32,840
Speaker 1: back you've kind of claimed Canada. If I see something,

505
00:27:32,840 --> 00:27:37,399
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh ship Canada. Miles is already there, and

506
00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:40,080
Speaker 1: it's not like I'm just stuck on Canada. But I

507
00:27:40,080 --> 00:27:44,640
Speaker 1: gotta say, there's just so much fish news trickling down

508
00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:46,680
Speaker 1: from north of the border right now. I can't help myself.

509
00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:50,040
Speaker 1: I gotta talk about it. Um. Unfortunately, the news that

510
00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:52,440
Speaker 1: I got coming out of British Columbia this week isn't

511
00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:55,879
Speaker 1: isn't really all that great at least at least not

512
00:27:55,960 --> 00:28:00,679
Speaker 1: if you're an outspoken advocate for public access like I am. Alright, so,

513
00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:04,119
Speaker 1: so backstory on this. Back in two thousand three, a

514
00:28:04,160 --> 00:28:08,560
Speaker 1: guy named Stan Cronkey Cranky, I don't know, call him Cronkey.

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00:28:08,800 --> 00:28:13,000
Speaker 1: He bought the Douglas Lake Ranch, which is the largest

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Speaker 1: private cattle operation in Canada. Craigy Crokey whatever. He is

517
00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:23,240
Speaker 1: not Canadian. He's an American and one of the richest

518
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Speaker 1: people in the world. He owns the l A Rams

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00:28:25,840 --> 00:28:29,480
Speaker 1: Colorado Avalanche Arsenal football club and and he's married to

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00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:32,560
Speaker 1: Anne Walton, one of the signs of the Walmart fortune.

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00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:34,359
Speaker 1: So that gives you a sense of of of the

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00:28:34,440 --> 00:28:37,640
Speaker 1: kind of guy he is. His ranch consists of two

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00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:41,360
Speaker 1: hundred and seventy one acres of private land and access

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00:28:41,360 --> 00:28:45,120
Speaker 1: in grazing rights to over a million acres of crown lands,

525
00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:48,120
Speaker 1: which are roughly the Canadian equivalent of BLM lands here

526
00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:51,080
Speaker 1: in the States. They're they're federally owned public land that

527
00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:54,400
Speaker 1: can be leased out for grazing or other purposes. Some

528
00:28:54,560 --> 00:28:58,280
Speaker 1: of those crown lands around his ranch are landlocked, meaning

529
00:28:58,400 --> 00:29:02,080
Speaker 1: they're they're completely contained within his little private property universe.

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Speaker 1: And included in there are Stony and Mini lakes. These

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00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:12,640
Speaker 1: are relatively small lakes with really big rainbows in them.

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00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:16,480
Speaker 1: Prior to Cronkey purchasing the ranch, anglers had access to

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Speaker 1: these lakes. They were allowed to go and fish them

534
00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:20,960
Speaker 1: and had been doing so for decades. But after he

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Speaker 1: bought the property, he put up a bunch of fences

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00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:27,320
Speaker 1: and no trespassing signs uh and and got the Royal

537
00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:30,520
Speaker 1: Canadian mount of Police involved and started harassing, intimidating anglers.

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00:29:30,520 --> 00:29:33,200
Speaker 1: And you know, tell him he was gonna arrest them

539
00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:36,400
Speaker 1: all that stuff, And now he charges rod fees for

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00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:40,400
Speaker 1: private access to the lakes on his ranch. Okay, I'm

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Speaker 1: with you. So in the Nicola Valley, Rod and Game

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00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:48,320
Speaker 1: club brought a case against the ranch, arguing that the

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Speaker 1: public had historic access and easement to the lakes through

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Speaker 1: a public domain road that crosses the private property and

545
00:29:55,880 --> 00:29:57,760
Speaker 1: it goes straight to these lakes, which are again the

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00:29:57,840 --> 00:30:01,120
Speaker 1: lakes are on public land and the historic public road

547
00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:05,720
Speaker 1: cuts right to him. In two thousand eighteen, BC Supreme

548
00:30:05,760 --> 00:30:09,480
Speaker 1: Court Justice Joel Groves ruled in favor of public access.

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00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:12,840
Speaker 1: The judge in that case, Groves came down hard on

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00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:15,680
Speaker 1: both the landowners and the Royal Canadian amount of Police

551
00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:19,760
Speaker 1: for doing all that intimidation and denying access to public resources.

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Speaker 1: The ruling was hailed as a major win for public

553
00:30:23,280 --> 00:30:25,840
Speaker 1: lands advocates in BC, who claimed that this is happening

554
00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:28,640
Speaker 1: all over the province, like private landoers coming in and

555
00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:32,160
Speaker 1: blocking access to two resources that have been traditionally available

556
00:30:32,200 --> 00:30:35,959
Speaker 1: to everybody. But then in November of last year, Cronkey

557
00:30:36,040 --> 00:30:39,320
Speaker 1: appealed the ruling, and last week an appeals court judge

558
00:30:39,520 --> 00:30:46,120
Speaker 1: overruled decision. The judge agreed with Cronkey's team who assert

559
00:30:46,160 --> 00:30:51,160
Speaker 1: that the public road doesn't quite touch the historic high

560
00:30:51,160 --> 00:30:54,880
Speaker 1: water mark of the lake, even though it does touch

561
00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:59,840
Speaker 1: the actual high water mark of the lake. The ranches

562
00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:03,680
Speaker 1: legal team argued that the judge should rule based on

563
00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:07,800
Speaker 1: government survey maps from eighteen eighty which do show the

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00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:10,880
Speaker 1: road stopping short of hitting the lake shore, but the

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00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:14,560
Speaker 1: lake has gotten bigger and aerial surveys showed that the

566
00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:18,640
Speaker 1: road has touched the lake shore since at least nineteen

567
00:31:18,800 --> 00:31:24,600
Speaker 1: For reasons that I don't fully understand, the judge completely

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00:31:24,600 --> 00:31:27,760
Speaker 1: sided with the landowner on this one and delivered a

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Speaker 1: major setback to the Nicola Rodd and Game Club and

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00:31:31,040 --> 00:31:34,560
Speaker 1: public land advocates all over British Columbia. Now, not only

571
00:31:35,280 --> 00:31:37,880
Speaker 1: did that Nicola Valley Rod and Game Club lose their

572
00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:40,920
Speaker 1: appeal and therefore lose this access battle that they've been

573
00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:43,440
Speaker 1: fighting for nearly a decade and access to these lakes

574
00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:46,840
Speaker 1: that they loved fish, but the outcome puts them in

575
00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:51,200
Speaker 1: serious financial trouble as well. Had they won, the province

576
00:31:51,320 --> 00:31:53,880
Speaker 1: would likely have shouldered at least some of the burden

577
00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:56,320
Speaker 1: of their legal costs, and so we're acting as proxy

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00:31:56,440 --> 00:31:59,400
Speaker 1: for the Provincial Attorney General fighting a court battle on

579
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Speaker 1: behalf the public. But since they lost, they are now

580
00:32:03,560 --> 00:32:06,840
Speaker 1: on the hook for their legal fees, which are in

581
00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:10,560
Speaker 1: the hundreds of thousands of dollars not only that, they

582
00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:16,640
Speaker 1: also have to pay for the billionaire cronkeys legal fees also, right,

583
00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:20,320
Speaker 1: and we're talking about like a local fishing and hunting club, dude,

584
00:32:20,360 --> 00:32:26,640
Speaker 1: These that can happen here too. If you're if you're

585
00:32:26,720 --> 00:32:28,680
Speaker 1: if you're in the wrong, if you lose, you can

586
00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:31,720
Speaker 1: be on the hook for someone else's legal fees in

587
00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:33,400
Speaker 1: certain cases. I don't know the ins and outs, but

588
00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:35,760
Speaker 1: I know that does happen in certain certain situations here.

589
00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:38,880
Speaker 1: And like this is this is just a local fishing

590
00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:41,880
Speaker 1: and hunting club, dude. Like they earn money through bake

591
00:32:41,920 --> 00:32:45,160
Speaker 1: sales and raffles and like Wild Team chili cookoff things

592
00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:48,640
Speaker 1: like this is not a big organization and this decision

593
00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:52,480
Speaker 1: could cripple them. Right, They have the option to appeal

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00:32:52,560 --> 00:32:55,040
Speaker 1: to the Supreme Court of Canada, where they won the

595
00:32:55,040 --> 00:32:57,960
Speaker 1: provincial Supreme Court. They lost in the Canadian Appeals Court.

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00:32:58,000 --> 00:32:59,760
Speaker 1: They can go one step higher to the Supreme Court

597
00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:02,440
Speaker 1: of Nada. But they have no way to fund that

598
00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:06,000
Speaker 1: appeal because right now they're on the hook for a

599
00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:09,120
Speaker 1: ton of money that they don't have. So if they

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00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:11,320
Speaker 1: were to be able to fund it and get the

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00:33:11,320 --> 00:33:15,240
Speaker 1: Supreme Court and win, then they'd be in good shape,

602
00:33:15,280 --> 00:33:17,520
Speaker 1: but they don't have that kind of money, and the

603
00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:21,040
Speaker 1: person that they're up against has unlimited resources and can

604
00:33:21,080 --> 00:33:24,040
Speaker 1: just continue to fight these battles against them. It's a

605
00:33:24,080 --> 00:33:29,000
Speaker 1: war of attrition and uh. And this kise resonates with

606
00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:31,880
Speaker 1: so much of the privatization of public land and resources

607
00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:33,880
Speaker 1: that we're seeing here in the States right. It's actually

608
00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:37,560
Speaker 1: very similar to to a landowner here in Montana who

609
00:33:37,560 --> 00:33:41,200
Speaker 1: for years has been fighting to change the stream access

610
00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:43,680
Speaker 1: lawn in this state because he didn't like it and

611
00:33:43,760 --> 00:33:46,720
Speaker 1: has unlimited pockets. It's very similar to that. So the

612
00:33:46,760 --> 00:33:50,200
Speaker 1: whole thing really strikes a personal nerve with me and

613
00:33:50,320 --> 00:33:55,440
Speaker 1: like it just pisses me off. Man. And as an American,

614
00:33:56,040 --> 00:33:59,440
Speaker 1: there's not a lot I can do to influence British

615
00:33:59,560 --> 00:34:02,160
Speaker 1: columb in politics, but I can tell you one thing.

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00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:04,960
Speaker 1: I will be donating money to the Nicola Rod and

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00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:06,440
Speaker 1: Game Club. I'm certainly not gonna be able to cover

618
00:34:06,520 --> 00:34:07,960
Speaker 1: the legal fees. I ain't got that kind of money,

619
00:34:07,960 --> 00:34:11,520
Speaker 1: but I will be donating. And you know, if this

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00:34:11,560 --> 00:34:14,360
Speaker 1: is something you care about, I would advocate all of

621
00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:15,960
Speaker 1: us should ship in a little bit here and there.

622
00:34:16,160 --> 00:34:19,000
Speaker 1: But I'd also said to the Canadian lists like, you

623
00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:21,399
Speaker 1: gotta get on board with this issue, especially if you're

624
00:34:21,400 --> 00:34:25,240
Speaker 1: in BC and and talk to your local representatives about

625
00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:28,200
Speaker 1: supporting what are called right to Rome laws that would

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00:34:28,719 --> 00:34:31,800
Speaker 1: restore access to isolated public lands and stop this ship

627
00:34:31,840 --> 00:34:34,280
Speaker 1: from continuing to happen up there, because it's it's just gross.

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00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:38,239
Speaker 1: Just it just really makes me mad. I just I

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Speaker 1: just want to ask something, just for for clarifications. So

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00:34:40,560 --> 00:34:43,120
Speaker 1: the land that the lake is on, it's still technically

631
00:34:43,239 --> 00:34:48,279
Speaker 1: public land, right, yes, but yet you needed to pay

632
00:34:48,280 --> 00:34:52,279
Speaker 1: a rod fee through this club to fish it. So

633
00:34:53,080 --> 00:34:56,920
Speaker 1: can anybody public access to it? Like you wouldn't have

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00:34:56,920 --> 00:34:59,000
Speaker 1: to pay a fee if you got dropped from a plane.

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00:34:59,680 --> 00:35:03,960
Speaker 1: Got yeah, okay, we're there, right, I understand so. But

636
00:35:03,960 --> 00:35:07,120
Speaker 1: but so this this club then has been operating what

637
00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:11,719
Speaker 1: and conjunct. Wouldn't they have to have worked with Cranky

638
00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:14,840
Speaker 1: in order to maintain their I'm just missing how they do.

639
00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:19,640
Speaker 1: So they Craigy bought the place in two thousand three,

640
00:35:20,080 --> 00:35:22,640
Speaker 1: and that's when and soon there after started locking up

641
00:35:22,719 --> 00:35:26,040
Speaker 1: what this club had had access to and their membership forever,

642
00:35:26,080 --> 00:35:27,840
Speaker 1: and they were just a local entity stepped in was

643
00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:31,359
Speaker 1: like this is bullshit. We gotta fight this. So they're

644
00:35:31,360 --> 00:35:33,600
Speaker 1: the ones who brought the case against this guy who

645
00:35:33,640 --> 00:35:36,800
Speaker 1: came in and changed the way that he enforced the rules.

646
00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:41,239
Speaker 1: But with the ultimate win for this club, then make

647
00:35:41,280 --> 00:35:43,440
Speaker 1: it accessible to anyone, like if they if they get

648
00:35:43,480 --> 00:35:46,880
Speaker 1: their way, okay, well that would restore public access. I

649
00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:48,640
Speaker 1: mean then even makes it more noble in that sense,

650
00:35:48,640 --> 00:35:50,160
Speaker 1: because I like you if you if you're the guy

651
00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:52,359
Speaker 1: with the club water and you can get a rod

652
00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:55,560
Speaker 1: fee to do that, but you're willing to fight that too, essentially,

653
00:35:55,600 --> 00:35:58,520
Speaker 1: then lose that, would you not? You know, they're they're

654
00:35:58,520 --> 00:36:00,840
Speaker 1: not a club in that sense. They're not there there

655
00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:03,600
Speaker 1: they're rotten and game club, but they don't they're not

656
00:36:03,680 --> 00:36:07,200
Speaker 1: accessing private water. They're just like the local hangout and

657
00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:11,600
Speaker 1: resource for hunters and anglers in the area. This was

658
00:36:11,680 --> 00:36:16,120
Speaker 1: public water that everybody was fishing until Cronkey came in

659
00:36:16,160 --> 00:36:18,319
Speaker 1: and locked it up, bought the whole place, locked it

660
00:36:18,360 --> 00:36:21,160
Speaker 1: up and said you can't fish here anymore. Well, I mean,

661
00:36:21,239 --> 00:36:23,200
Speaker 1: I appreciate that fight, but that is what has some

662
00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:25,520
Speaker 1: delity of a pickle. To get to get that car

663
00:36:25,719 --> 00:36:29,560
Speaker 1: now now, to have one and then have it turned

664
00:36:29,560 --> 00:36:31,799
Speaker 1: around on you is just God, that's a bitter pill.

665
00:36:32,120 --> 00:36:34,520
Speaker 1: I know, but I mean that's that's money, man, That

666
00:36:34,680 --> 00:36:36,520
Speaker 1: is that is what that is. I mean, you know

667
00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:39,160
Speaker 1: you see it with all with all kinds of winds

668
00:36:39,200 --> 00:36:41,799
Speaker 1: like you brought up Montana. You guys are still as

669
00:36:41,840 --> 00:36:43,759
Speaker 1: long as you as long as you access the river

670
00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:46,040
Speaker 1: right at a public place and stay below the relative

671
00:36:46,080 --> 00:36:48,680
Speaker 1: high water mark, you can go where you want right correct,

672
00:36:49,320 --> 00:36:52,360
Speaker 1: But like you're not welcome with open arms when you

673
00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:56,120
Speaker 1: go wherever you want. No, no, you will, you will

674
00:36:57,040 --> 00:36:59,480
Speaker 1: certain landowners will make you uncomfortable. What they can't do

675
00:36:59,520 --> 00:37:03,279
Speaker 1: anything about it, right right? Well see where that goes, man.

676
00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:07,400
Speaker 1: I think that the donation is helpful, and uh, I

677
00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:09,480
Speaker 1: don't know. I'm sure they will be probably spitting in

678
00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:11,640
Speaker 1: the wind there. It's it's more symbolic than emails. But

679
00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:13,719
Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm gonna give them money just because I

680
00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:16,319
Speaker 1: believe in what they're trying to do. I'm with that.

681
00:37:16,719 --> 00:37:19,960
Speaker 1: But I also think that people don't realize, you know,

682
00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:23,000
Speaker 1: you don't think about how often that kind of stuff happens.

683
00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:25,839
Speaker 1: Whereas and I'm not I'm not plugging it, but like

684
00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:28,920
Speaker 1: um Audix hunt, like when you when you get that

685
00:37:29,520 --> 00:37:31,680
Speaker 1: and you you look at those those maps as opposed

686
00:37:31,719 --> 00:37:33,600
Speaker 1: to just like going around on Google Maps and seeing

687
00:37:33,680 --> 00:37:37,319
Speaker 1: what's what, Like it's amazing when you see what's landlocked

688
00:37:37,680 --> 00:37:39,560
Speaker 1: all over the place, Like there are so many places

689
00:37:39,600 --> 00:37:42,120
Speaker 1: I've seen. I was just at one the other day

690
00:37:42,480 --> 00:37:46,600
Speaker 1: where like it's all state land except for right here.

691
00:37:46,719 --> 00:37:51,800
Speaker 1: That's weird, you know what I mean? And with without

692
00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:54,959
Speaker 1: that technology and without that ability, you wouldn't. I would

693
00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:56,520
Speaker 1: have had no idea and dude could have come down

694
00:37:56,560 --> 00:37:58,239
Speaker 1: and shot me or had me arrested or whatever, and

695
00:37:58,280 --> 00:37:59,520
Speaker 1: I would have been like, what are you talking about?

696
00:37:59,520 --> 00:38:02,319
Speaker 1: This is a while life management area. But no, like

697
00:38:02,440 --> 00:38:06,719
Speaker 1: that one hundred yards of river bank was not. So.

698
00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:10,600
Speaker 1: I mean between private land that's landlocked and state land

699
00:38:10,600 --> 00:38:13,160
Speaker 1: that's landlocked, there is a ton of land out there

700
00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:15,520
Speaker 1: that technically every single one of us can be on,

701
00:38:16,120 --> 00:38:18,640
Speaker 1: but you ain't getting to it. Not grant most of it,

702
00:38:18,680 --> 00:38:20,880
Speaker 1: nobody needs to be on. There's no lake or stream

703
00:38:20,920 --> 00:38:26,000
Speaker 1: or river there. But that is incredibly common. Um So

704
00:38:26,280 --> 00:38:28,920
Speaker 1: with that, I will say, if you, if you, if

705
00:38:28,920 --> 00:38:31,640
Speaker 1: you want to avoid this when we're all living on

706
00:38:31,680 --> 00:38:34,560
Speaker 1: the moon, act fast and by by your plots of land.

707
00:38:34,600 --> 00:38:37,680
Speaker 1: Now because you you go to Canada, I'm going to

708
00:38:39,160 --> 00:38:41,359
Speaker 1: story man because this this was on my short list

709
00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:43,160
Speaker 1: and it's a good one. I'm going to the Moon,

710
00:38:43,520 --> 00:38:47,200
Speaker 1: and uh, we didn't cross over and cross over, so

711
00:38:47,239 --> 00:38:48,919
Speaker 1: I was worried. I was like, if he's gonna have anyone,

712
00:38:48,960 --> 00:38:51,480
Speaker 1: it's gonna be this one. Uh. Shout out though to

713
00:38:51,640 --> 00:38:56,080
Speaker 1: listener Derek Arnisson. He actually sent this to me before

714
00:38:56,120 --> 00:38:57,279
Speaker 1: I even saw it in the news. I got a

715
00:38:57,320 --> 00:38:59,880
Speaker 1: little tip off from him. So thanks for that. And

716
00:39:00,239 --> 00:39:03,240
Speaker 1: it wasn't that long ago when we talked about robot

717
00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:06,840
Speaker 1: fish building our future homes on Mars, that was that

718
00:39:06,920 --> 00:39:09,759
Speaker 1: was your story. Um. But but now that the moon,

719
00:39:09,960 --> 00:39:12,839
Speaker 1: the Moon is apparently campaigning saying wait a second, don't

720
00:39:12,840 --> 00:39:15,759
Speaker 1: go to Mars, come to the Moon, you know right.

721
00:39:16,360 --> 00:39:18,920
Speaker 1: It's like it's like it's like acapol stuff. It's like

722
00:39:18,960 --> 00:39:21,319
Speaker 1: Acapolco tourism, like trying to talk you out of going

723
00:39:21,360 --> 00:39:24,680
Speaker 1: to Mazitlan. You know, like they're both beautiful and scary

724
00:39:24,719 --> 00:39:28,000
Speaker 1: and you're not really sure which one is safer. Anyway.

725
00:39:28,520 --> 00:39:30,520
Speaker 1: So this story comes to us from the website of

726
00:39:30,600 --> 00:39:34,279
Speaker 1: Hakai magazine, headline the plan to rear fish on the Moon.

727
00:39:34,320 --> 00:39:36,799
Speaker 1: Now this is a long story, so I'm gonna try

728
00:39:36,840 --> 00:39:38,880
Speaker 1: and break her down. But what's happening here is French

729
00:39:39,080 --> 00:39:42,160
Speaker 1: researchers are trying to figure out if it would be

730
00:39:42,200 --> 00:39:44,600
Speaker 1: possible to grow fish on the Moon, and they want

731
00:39:44,640 --> 00:39:49,680
Speaker 1: to do this to feed residents of the future Moon Village,

732
00:39:49,840 --> 00:39:53,279
Speaker 1: which is apparently something the European Space Agency is trying

733
00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:55,799
Speaker 1: to establish. And I don't know anything about that, but

734
00:39:55,880 --> 00:39:57,680
Speaker 1: like I said, like now I'm nervous should I be

735
00:39:57,680 --> 00:39:59,839
Speaker 1: buying a plot now? Like will it be too late?

736
00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:01,960
Speaker 1: Like right now? I just like you know, when you

737
00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:04,920
Speaker 1: fly over development, like there's just driveways mapped out like

738
00:40:04,960 --> 00:40:07,560
Speaker 1: where the will be. Like that's I think that's that's

739
00:40:07,600 --> 00:40:09,680
Speaker 1: probably as far as they've gotten, if even that far.

740
00:40:10,320 --> 00:40:14,400
Speaker 1: Um anyway, Uh, Cyril Shabilla is the dude to charge

741
00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:17,440
Speaker 1: of all this, and he's hoping that it will offer

742
00:40:17,840 --> 00:40:21,719
Speaker 1: an alternative to dried food for the people who will

743
00:40:21,760 --> 00:40:25,640
Speaker 1: eventually live on in Moon village. And uh he also

744
00:40:25,680 --> 00:40:29,600
Speaker 1: says it's possible that a lunar fish farm could actually

745
00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:33,920
Speaker 1: use water that's already on the Moon to to thrive,

746
00:40:34,120 --> 00:40:35,759
Speaker 1: so like they'll be able. I don't know if it's

747
00:40:35,760 --> 00:40:38,640
Speaker 1: like an aquaculture deal, but apparently they're gonna use water

748
00:40:38,760 --> 00:40:41,040
Speaker 1: on the Moon. So so far, no fish eggs have

749
00:40:41,120 --> 00:40:44,800
Speaker 1: been launched into space, but they are conducting simulations again

750
00:40:44,880 --> 00:40:48,800
Speaker 1: just on eggs, not not mature fish, to see which

751
00:40:48,840 --> 00:40:52,279
Speaker 1: species would be most likely to survive the journey. So

752
00:40:52,360 --> 00:40:54,799
Speaker 1: basically what that means is they're taking fish eggs and

753
00:40:54,840 --> 00:40:57,239
Speaker 1: they're shaking the ship out of them. They're just there

754
00:40:58,320 --> 00:41:01,600
Speaker 1: shaking them like like the same way they'd get shook

755
00:41:01,719 --> 00:41:06,600
Speaker 1: during liftoff on a rocket. Okay, and to whittle down

756
00:41:06,640 --> 00:41:09,959
Speaker 1: their choices. What they look for, we're fish that had

757
00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:15,560
Speaker 1: modest oxygen requirements, low carbon dioxide output, a short hatching time,

758
00:41:15,640 --> 00:41:19,400
Speaker 1: and resistance to charge particles, which matters because according to

759
00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:22,000
Speaker 1: this like you're exposed to a fair amount of radiation

760
00:41:22,160 --> 00:41:25,440
Speaker 1: during space travel. Right. So after the testing they monitor

761
00:41:25,480 --> 00:41:29,040
Speaker 1: these eggs to see which have the best hatch rates.

762
00:41:29,160 --> 00:41:32,719
Speaker 1: After all this this this vigorous testing and shaking, and

763
00:41:32,760 --> 00:41:35,719
Speaker 1: the two finalists are European c bass and a fish

764
00:41:35,760 --> 00:41:39,360
Speaker 1: called a meager. I think that's how you say that. Okay,

765
00:41:39,400 --> 00:41:41,239
Speaker 1: you're making me feel better because I had never heard

766
00:41:41,239 --> 00:41:42,920
Speaker 1: of that fish. Did you heard of that fish? Nope?

767
00:41:42,960 --> 00:41:45,560
Speaker 1: I had not heard of the fish. I researched the fish.

768
00:41:45,560 --> 00:41:47,319
Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you something about the fish. But at

769
00:41:47,640 --> 00:41:51,799
Speaker 1: first reading like, what is a meager meg? Yeah, it

770
00:41:51,800 --> 00:41:55,520
Speaker 1: could be me a gray could be there's dude, this

771
00:41:55,600 --> 00:41:57,520
Speaker 1: news is I have more to come. It's gonna be

772
00:41:57,600 --> 00:41:59,640
Speaker 1: chock full of like could be this could be that,

773
00:42:00,040 --> 00:42:03,200
Speaker 1: don't know, but I'm just gonna say meager. Uh that's what.

774
00:42:03,280 --> 00:42:06,439
Speaker 1: That's how I'm reading it. Anyway. Shabilla believes these two

775
00:42:06,480 --> 00:42:09,520
Speaker 1: species might have done the best in testing because they

776
00:42:09,560 --> 00:42:12,920
Speaker 1: are naturally exposed to strong currents and waves in their

777
00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:17,680
Speaker 1: environments and frequently experienced collisions with hard surfaces. So while

778
00:42:17,719 --> 00:42:21,560
Speaker 1: you listeners might not know what those species are, I

779
00:42:21,600 --> 00:42:25,520
Speaker 1: found this fascinating because what they are are the European

780
00:42:25,640 --> 00:42:30,320
Speaker 1: versions of striped bass and sea trout, like a European Yes,

781
00:42:30,800 --> 00:42:33,480
Speaker 1: a European sea bass, which is also just sometimes referred

782
00:42:33,520 --> 00:42:36,839
Speaker 1: to as a European bass um, which is something I've

783
00:42:36,880 --> 00:42:39,160
Speaker 1: always wanted to catch. I've always wanted to catch one.

784
00:42:40,080 --> 00:42:42,239
Speaker 1: I tried to con an old editor into sending me

785
00:42:42,400 --> 00:42:44,600
Speaker 1: long story. He said, no, you're not going over there

786
00:42:44,640 --> 00:42:47,880
Speaker 1: to do that. But anyway, Uh, they look almost identical

787
00:42:47,920 --> 00:42:50,280
Speaker 1: to stripers, but they have no stripes. So like picture

788
00:42:50,320 --> 00:42:53,799
Speaker 1: a striper with no stripes. That's a European sea bass um.

789
00:42:53,880 --> 00:42:56,680
Speaker 1: And they live on the jagged, rocky coast of Britain

790
00:42:56,680 --> 00:43:00,480
Speaker 1: and France and Spain in strikingly similar conditions to those

791
00:43:00,520 --> 00:43:05,080
Speaker 1: around like the famed Montalk rocks and and Block Island um.

792
00:43:05,200 --> 00:43:08,080
Speaker 1: So I that was interestingly that speaks to the heartiness

793
00:43:08,160 --> 00:43:12,000
Speaker 1: of striped bass. They don't get as big like I think,

794
00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:14,760
Speaker 1: like a twenty pounders huge, Like they don't get fifty

795
00:43:14,760 --> 00:43:18,080
Speaker 1: pounders at least not anymore. But same deal man casting

796
00:43:18,120 --> 00:43:22,040
Speaker 1: around the rocks over there, uh, same same habitat. Now

797
00:43:22,080 --> 00:43:26,719
Speaker 1: the meager surprised me though, because that's a croaker um.

798
00:43:26,920 --> 00:43:29,960
Speaker 1: And I always think of sea trout and weak fish

799
00:43:30,040 --> 00:43:33,359
Speaker 1: over here and so on as being pretty fragile, So

800
00:43:33,480 --> 00:43:35,040
Speaker 1: I would have to do I'd have to do more

801
00:43:35,040 --> 00:43:37,240
Speaker 1: research on on the meager. But if you've ever lifted,

802
00:43:37,239 --> 00:43:39,000
Speaker 1: I know, you have, like lifted a sea trout out

803
00:43:39,000 --> 00:43:42,040
Speaker 1: of the water, Like they're not solid like a striper,

804
00:43:42,080 --> 00:43:43,759
Speaker 1: You're not like you can't like give him a punch

805
00:43:43,800 --> 00:43:46,560
Speaker 1: and send them back. They're like they're like mushy, you

806
00:43:46,560 --> 00:43:48,440
Speaker 1: know what I mean. Like and I don't feel like

807
00:43:48,560 --> 00:43:51,640
Speaker 1: they're tolerant. Not that I give them a punch, I'm

808
00:43:51,680 --> 00:44:01,600
Speaker 1: just saying, just saying, damn, but I feel like, uh composed.

809
00:44:02,320 --> 00:44:07,040
Speaker 1: I I just don't feel like as we've recently seemed

810
00:44:07,040 --> 00:44:09,319
Speaker 1: like in Texas, like with sea trout, I don't feel

811
00:44:09,320 --> 00:44:12,719
Speaker 1: like they're tolerance for tempt changes or probably radiation or

812
00:44:12,760 --> 00:44:15,719
Speaker 1: getting banged around would would be the same. But what

813
00:44:15,760 --> 00:44:19,719
Speaker 1: do I know? The meager might be different. Um. I

814
00:44:19,800 --> 00:44:22,360
Speaker 1: do wonder though, if one hundred years from now, like

815
00:44:22,400 --> 00:44:24,440
Speaker 1: we'll be on the American side of the moon throwing

816
00:44:24,480 --> 00:44:26,840
Speaker 1: spooks and darters, like acting like where the ship you

817
00:44:26,840 --> 00:44:30,080
Speaker 1: know what I mean, and just like making fun of

818
00:44:30,120 --> 00:44:32,359
Speaker 1: them dabbling their little red guilt teasers on the other

819
00:44:32,440 --> 00:44:34,640
Speaker 1: side of the moon for their European bass that don't

820
00:44:34,640 --> 00:44:37,759
Speaker 1: get the big When I read this, I was like,

821
00:44:37,880 --> 00:44:39,719
Speaker 1: this is amazing, and when do I get to go

822
00:44:39,760 --> 00:44:42,200
Speaker 1: fishing on the Moon. By the time I got through it,

823
00:44:42,200 --> 00:44:44,480
Speaker 1: I was like, probably not in my lifetime. Yeah, So

824
00:44:44,840 --> 00:44:48,600
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, this is actually like a giant fantasy

825
00:44:48,640 --> 00:44:51,440
Speaker 1: and none of this is happening anytime soon. But I

826
00:44:51,480 --> 00:44:54,120
Speaker 1: will say final thoughts, Cyril, you need to like you

827
00:44:54,239 --> 00:44:56,719
Speaker 1: gotta come over here and study some snake heads and

828
00:44:56,760 --> 00:44:59,920
Speaker 1: some Asian carps, because you could literally drop them in

829
00:45:00,040 --> 00:45:02,359
Speaker 1: to whatever water is already on the Moon, Like just

830
00:45:02,440 --> 00:45:04,839
Speaker 1: open the space station door and drop them in there,

831
00:45:05,360 --> 00:45:09,400
Speaker 1: and they'll be fine. They will reproduce. I promise, we

832
00:45:09,480 --> 00:45:13,200
Speaker 1: promise snakeheads crawling through like you'll you'll see little lines

833
00:45:13,239 --> 00:45:15,880
Speaker 1: on the moon through the moon dust will just be

834
00:45:15,920 --> 00:45:20,319
Speaker 1: snakeheads cruising around from lake to lake. Yeah, there you go,

835
00:45:20,800 --> 00:45:30,160
Speaker 1: fish on the Moon. I'm gonna go from from really

836
00:45:30,280 --> 00:45:33,319
Speaker 1: really far flung, like the most far flung fish you

837
00:45:33,320 --> 00:45:36,360
Speaker 1: could imagine too, to at least for me, really close

838
00:45:36,400 --> 00:45:40,440
Speaker 1: to home fish. Uh. The most coveted fishing record in

839
00:45:40,520 --> 00:45:44,680
Speaker 1: my home state of Montana stood for fifty five. Oh yeah,

840
00:45:45,120 --> 00:45:48,279
Speaker 1: bring it on. I knew this was coming back. In

841
00:45:48,400 --> 00:45:52,919
Speaker 1: nineteen sixty six, E. H. Bacon, who was known as Peck,

842
00:45:54,040 --> 00:45:57,239
Speaker 1: landed a twenty nine pound brown trout from Wade Lake,

843
00:45:57,560 --> 00:46:00,080
Speaker 1: which is near the Madison River. And I guess a

844
00:46:00,160 --> 00:46:03,200
Speaker 1: wait is still damn good fishing lake. But it hasn't

845
00:46:03,200 --> 00:46:06,120
Speaker 1: put out a monster fish since the seventies, Right, It's

846
00:46:06,160 --> 00:46:09,960
Speaker 1: just it's changed. And I've heard more than one person,

847
00:46:11,200 --> 00:46:13,400
Speaker 1: a lot of people actually lament that the days of

848
00:46:13,880 --> 00:46:17,000
Speaker 1: truly big fish in Montana are over and and so

849
00:46:17,080 --> 00:46:20,319
Speaker 1: that that brown shout record would likely stand forever. The

850
00:46:20,440 --> 00:46:24,520
Speaker 1: last week proved them all wrong. Yep, yep, because that

851
00:46:24,680 --> 00:46:29,880
Speaker 1: record was broken when Robbie Doctor landed a thirty seven

852
00:46:29,960 --> 00:46:37,600
Speaker 1: inch thirty two pounds, six ounce brown It's if you

853
00:46:37,600 --> 00:46:40,759
Speaker 1: want to see photos of this thing, and and you do,

854
00:46:40,800 --> 00:46:42,840
Speaker 1: you gotta go check out the article that Sam Longren

855
00:46:42,880 --> 00:46:44,719
Speaker 1: wrote about it on the media dot com. It's it's

856
00:46:44,719 --> 00:46:48,040
Speaker 1: a hell of a fish, it really is. But uh,

857
00:46:48,160 --> 00:46:50,440
Speaker 1: I also really like the story behind it, Like I

858
00:46:50,480 --> 00:46:51,960
Speaker 1: think there's a great story to go along with the

859
00:46:52,000 --> 00:46:55,759
Speaker 1: gray fish, which doesn't always happen. Since the record was

860
00:46:55,760 --> 00:46:58,960
Speaker 1: was last set in nineteen sixty six, Montana's turned into

861
00:47:00,280 --> 00:47:06,320
Speaker 1: arguably the prime destination for tourists trout fishing in the country.

862
00:47:04,840 --> 00:47:09,520
Speaker 1: A couple of people, tens of thousands people come here

863
00:47:09,520 --> 00:47:13,240
Speaker 1: every year to fish, and and they spend huge sums

864
00:47:13,239 --> 00:47:15,680
Speaker 1: of money to chase big trout. And and we got

865
00:47:15,680 --> 00:47:19,279
Speaker 1: some private lakes and ponds and some private creeks, and

866
00:47:19,400 --> 00:47:23,200
Speaker 1: we got all these these these these guides, thousands of them,

867
00:47:23,200 --> 00:47:25,840
Speaker 1: who take paying clients out on public waters all season.

868
00:47:26,440 --> 00:47:30,600
Speaker 1: And I'm not dogging on on the fishing industry here

869
00:47:30,640 --> 00:47:33,680
Speaker 1: that that relies on tourists. I'm really not because I

870
00:47:33,760 --> 00:47:35,440
Speaker 1: worked in it for a long time and it's a

871
00:47:35,440 --> 00:47:38,279
Speaker 1: big part of our economy. There's nothing wrong with that

872
00:47:38,320 --> 00:47:40,840
Speaker 1: at all. But I gotta say it makes me really

873
00:47:40,880 --> 00:47:43,640
Speaker 1: happy to report that the new record brown was not

874
00:47:44,239 --> 00:47:47,440
Speaker 1: caught by a traveling angler, not by someone who spent

875
00:47:47,480 --> 00:47:48,759
Speaker 1: a ton of the money to come out here and

876
00:47:48,800 --> 00:47:52,680
Speaker 1: do it, but by just a local dude. That's just

877
00:47:52,840 --> 00:47:56,600
Speaker 1: the dude. So Robbie Doctor, he works as alignment for

878
00:47:56,719 --> 00:47:59,719
Speaker 1: sun River Electric, and he's, like we said, he's a

879
00:47:59,800 --> 00:48:02,399
Speaker 1: dude about her edge. He loves to fish, and he

880
00:48:02,520 --> 00:48:05,680
Speaker 1: and his thirteen year old daughter, Sierra, get out on

881
00:48:05,680 --> 00:48:09,439
Speaker 1: the water together every Wednesday after he finished his work.

882
00:48:10,120 --> 00:48:13,800
Speaker 1: According to Doctor, his daughter is a stud who catches

883
00:48:13,840 --> 00:48:20,560
Speaker 1: big fish and kills big deer. So that's quote. Last Wednesday,

884
00:48:20,840 --> 00:48:24,720
Speaker 1: they went out for their usual evening session around seven thirty.

885
00:48:24,920 --> 00:48:27,799
Speaker 1: Doctor was fishing a brown trout cast master spoon on

886
00:48:27,920 --> 00:48:31,000
Speaker 1: four pound test when his line stopped with what he

887
00:48:31,080 --> 00:48:36,680
Speaker 1: described as just nasty heavy weight. When they got the

888
00:48:36,719 --> 00:48:38,880
Speaker 1: fish close enough to see it roll in their head, lamps.

889
00:48:39,480 --> 00:48:43,520
Speaker 1: Doctor's young daughter blurted out, holy sh it, which surprised

890
00:48:43,520 --> 00:48:48,600
Speaker 1: her father because, according to him, she don't cuss. Doctor

891
00:48:48,800 --> 00:48:52,239
Speaker 1: took the net from Sierra and relieved her of the

892
00:48:52,320 --> 00:48:55,560
Speaker 1: serious pressure of capturing a fish like that. For her dad,

893
00:48:55,800 --> 00:48:58,680
Speaker 1: I appreciate that he did. That was like, no, no,

894
00:48:58,800 --> 00:49:01,400
Speaker 1: I got this. So he managed to land it all

895
00:49:01,480 --> 00:49:06,640
Speaker 1: by himself on that four pound test, which is really impressive.

896
00:49:08,320 --> 00:49:11,640
Speaker 1: And I'm just gonna say, if anyone's gonna break the

897
00:49:11,960 --> 00:49:14,759
Speaker 1: record Montana brown trout, this is I could not have

898
00:49:14,800 --> 00:49:17,520
Speaker 1: scripted a better way for it to happen than that

899
00:49:17,640 --> 00:49:19,560
Speaker 1: right there. Total. I could not have come up with

900
00:49:19,560 --> 00:49:23,760
Speaker 1: a better way totally. Now, lots of other outlets, including

901
00:49:23,800 --> 00:49:27,160
Speaker 1: our website, have outed the name of the waterway where

902
00:49:27,200 --> 00:49:29,560
Speaker 1: this fish was caught, but I cannot bring myself to

903
00:49:29,560 --> 00:49:31,480
Speaker 1: do that. I'm not judging others for doing it, but

904
00:49:31,520 --> 00:49:34,640
Speaker 1: I personally just like I can't say it. I fished

905
00:49:34,640 --> 00:49:37,279
Speaker 1: that spot off and on for very long time, and

906
00:49:37,320 --> 00:49:39,560
Speaker 1: the truth is there aren't all that many fish there,

907
00:49:39,760 --> 00:49:42,040
Speaker 1: but there are some really big ones. Though I will

908
00:49:42,080 --> 00:49:45,360
Speaker 1: be completely transparent every listening say, I never thought it

909
00:49:45,400 --> 00:49:47,400
Speaker 1: had to fish that big in it. I knew they

910
00:49:47,400 --> 00:49:48,759
Speaker 1: were a big fish in there, but I didn't think

911
00:49:48,760 --> 00:49:50,640
Speaker 1: it was. Like I feel like a lot of people

912
00:49:50,680 --> 00:49:52,480
Speaker 1: that catch fish like that are like, oh, I never

913
00:49:52,520 --> 00:49:55,160
Speaker 1: would have thought that was in there. It's a kind

914
00:49:55,200 --> 00:49:56,680
Speaker 1: of place where like, yeah, if you're gonna run a

915
00:49:56,680 --> 00:49:58,560
Speaker 1: new a ten pounder, it might happen there, but a

916
00:49:58,600 --> 00:50:03,160
Speaker 1: thirty pounder yeah no, yeah, no, yeah, And and you

917
00:50:03,200 --> 00:50:07,760
Speaker 1: know the place. It's gotten some some publicity over the years,

918
00:50:07,800 --> 00:50:09,520
Speaker 1: like kind of words gotten out on a little bit,

919
00:50:09,560 --> 00:50:11,520
Speaker 1: and but now with the new record being caught there,

920
00:50:12,239 --> 00:50:14,319
Speaker 1: I just I'm not going back because I expect it's

921
00:50:14,320 --> 00:50:17,400
Speaker 1: going to just like totally overrun and there just aren't

922
00:50:17,480 --> 00:50:19,920
Speaker 1: enough fish in that spot too for the number of

923
00:50:19,960 --> 00:50:22,280
Speaker 1: people who are gonna be chasing them, which, let's be honest,

924
00:50:22,320 --> 00:50:25,319
Speaker 1: it's stupid and shortsighted. That's like some like you think

925
00:50:25,320 --> 00:50:29,280
Speaker 1: you're gonna go catch a bigger one tomorrow, like I

926
00:50:29,280 --> 00:50:33,640
Speaker 1: I never got Yeah, it's it's it's just what's gonna happen.

927
00:50:33,680 --> 00:50:35,520
Speaker 1: And it makes me a little bit sad. But what

928
00:50:35,680 --> 00:50:38,280
Speaker 1: doesn't make me sad is this story because I'm I'm

929
00:50:38,320 --> 00:50:41,360
Speaker 1: seriously happy for Robbie and Sierra. That's that's how that

930
00:50:41,400 --> 00:50:43,839
Speaker 1: should have happened, and I'm glad it did. I also

931
00:50:43,920 --> 00:50:46,800
Speaker 1: have to say, is it terrible that I love that

932
00:50:46,840 --> 00:50:49,839
Speaker 1: it was caught on a cast Master? No, not at all,

933
00:50:49,920 --> 00:50:52,640
Speaker 1: Like I think that that's so anti Montana and I

934
00:50:53,040 --> 00:50:56,080
Speaker 1: just love it. I just love it. I think it's terrific.

935
00:50:56,400 --> 00:50:58,960
Speaker 1: Could not have happened better, you know, because I'm not

936
00:50:59,000 --> 00:51:00,720
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna. I'm not gonna and I'm not gonna

937
00:51:00,800 --> 00:51:03,120
Speaker 1: like be specific because I don't I'm not trying to

938
00:51:03,120 --> 00:51:05,480
Speaker 1: make anybody feel bad. But like there have been instances

939
00:51:05,920 --> 00:51:08,880
Speaker 1: with big records where like the dude who gets it

940
00:51:08,920 --> 00:51:11,640
Speaker 1: makes it known that like it's his life work to

941
00:51:11,760 --> 00:51:15,640
Speaker 1: catch this record, you know what I mean, Like yeah,

942
00:51:15,680 --> 00:51:19,279
Speaker 1: and then for some reason when it happens, I don't know,

943
00:51:19,320 --> 00:51:21,359
Speaker 1: I'm just not that excited, you know what I mean,

944
00:51:21,440 --> 00:51:24,480
Speaker 1: Like it's just not that exciting. And we how many

945
00:51:24,520 --> 00:51:26,760
Speaker 1: times have we just talked about how just generally speaking,

946
00:51:26,800 --> 00:51:29,719
Speaker 1: we're not into records, like you know, you report on

947
00:51:29,760 --> 00:51:33,080
Speaker 1: them when they happen, but like this is like this

948
00:51:33,160 --> 00:51:36,279
Speaker 1: is this is the like the dream record scenario, just

949
00:51:36,400 --> 00:51:40,440
Speaker 1: complete humble, like no, like just take your kid fishing.

950
00:51:41,239 --> 00:51:44,520
Speaker 1: Like I almost feel like that dude deserves it more

951
00:51:44,600 --> 00:51:47,239
Speaker 1: than some dude who's like makes it his life work

952
00:51:47,280 --> 00:51:50,880
Speaker 1: to find that fish. Oh absolutely, I mean deserves a

953
00:51:50,920 --> 00:51:53,520
Speaker 1: tough word. But I'm happier that it went that way

954
00:51:53,520 --> 00:51:54,920
Speaker 1: than the other way because I don't think my issues

955
00:51:54,960 --> 00:51:57,839
Speaker 1: so much with records as record chasing. That just doesn't

956
00:51:57,880 --> 00:52:00,359
Speaker 1: do it for me. So when record chasers get the record,

957
00:52:00,400 --> 00:52:03,720
Speaker 1: I'm like, man, of course, But when when when Robbie

958
00:52:03,719 --> 00:52:06,080
Speaker 1: Doctor gets a ticket his daughter's air fishing on a Wednesday,

959
00:52:06,120 --> 00:52:10,080
Speaker 1: And I'm like, hell, yeah, that's amazing, man, Like, how

960
00:52:10,360 --> 00:52:14,880
Speaker 1: how old is that fish? You probably know the trout

961
00:52:14,920 --> 00:52:17,200
Speaker 1: biology better than I do. I'm assuming I don't mean

962
00:52:17,600 --> 00:52:20,879
Speaker 1: rarely live beyond a decade. I know that much. I'd

963
00:52:20,880 --> 00:52:23,080
Speaker 1: be curious to get that fish age and find out

964
00:52:23,120 --> 00:52:27,680
Speaker 1: how old it really is. Yeah. Yeah, Well he said

965
00:52:27,680 --> 00:52:30,719
Speaker 1: the other one wasn't gonna fall. Is that ever gonna

966
00:52:30,719 --> 00:52:34,319
Speaker 1: fall in Montana? I mean like that, you know, I

967
00:52:34,320 --> 00:52:36,760
Speaker 1: don't know, man, I don't know. I wouldn't say it won't,

968
00:52:36,840 --> 00:52:39,680
Speaker 1: but I wouldn't bet money on it happening anytime soon. Yeah.

969
00:52:39,680 --> 00:52:42,000
Speaker 1: But stories like that also, like another thing that they're

970
00:52:42,080 --> 00:52:43,879
Speaker 1: very good for is like putting that in your head.

971
00:52:43,880 --> 00:52:46,680
Speaker 1: It's like, man, you really don't know what's out there,

972
00:52:47,080 --> 00:52:52,160
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. No, the magic of fishing

973
00:52:52,400 --> 00:52:54,960
Speaker 1: anywhere we go. It's like you think you know what

974
00:52:55,080 --> 00:52:59,359
Speaker 1: lives in there, and you just you don't. You don't,

975
00:52:59,520 --> 00:53:04,160
Speaker 1: you don't. So Castmaster took that one. I'm gonna suggest

976
00:53:04,200 --> 00:53:07,360
Speaker 1: maybe a couple other lawyers here. I'd be real impressed

977
00:53:07,360 --> 00:53:10,200
Speaker 1: if somebody called a record anything on. That was not

978
00:53:10,280 --> 00:53:14,439
Speaker 1: a great transition. But that's that's what it's what I got.

979
00:53:14,480 --> 00:53:18,960
Speaker 1: We gotta go, We gotta keep things moving here. Uh So,

980
00:53:19,080 --> 00:53:21,640
Speaker 1: when you and I were kids and people listening to

981
00:53:21,719 --> 00:53:25,080
Speaker 1: I'm sure like something we had snoopy bobbers, you know

982
00:53:25,080 --> 00:53:27,520
Speaker 1: what I mean? Did you have a snoopy bober snoopy bobber?

983
00:53:28,160 --> 00:53:32,520
Speaker 1: But I remember you didn't actually have one. I was

984
00:53:32,560 --> 00:53:34,720
Speaker 1: just straight red and white man. I had the standard bobbers.

985
00:53:34,719 --> 00:53:37,440
Speaker 1: I didn't have I didn't have the fancy bobbers. All right.

986
00:53:37,600 --> 00:53:39,920
Speaker 1: So all right, so some of us maybe had snoopy

987
00:53:39,920 --> 00:53:42,480
Speaker 1: bobbers or like a ninja turtle rod and reel and

988
00:53:42,520 --> 00:53:44,759
Speaker 1: like maybe even later in life, you had one of

989
00:53:44,800 --> 00:53:48,000
Speaker 1: those cores light shape crank baits, you know, remember those,

990
00:53:48,239 --> 00:53:51,520
Speaker 1: right or like, but yes, I remember that saying okay,

991
00:53:51,560 --> 00:53:53,600
Speaker 1: same deal. Are like your dad gifted you the Joe

992
00:53:53,640 --> 00:53:56,279
Speaker 1: camel lore after he smoked enough cartons to earn it,

993
00:53:56,600 --> 00:54:00,480
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? But I think what what

994
00:54:00,480 --> 00:54:02,919
Speaker 1: what I'm driving at here though, is that I think

995
00:54:02,960 --> 00:54:05,440
Speaker 1: with all these like brand or character driven pieces of

996
00:54:05,480 --> 00:54:08,400
Speaker 1: tackle um that we have here in America, I think

997
00:54:08,440 --> 00:54:11,040
Speaker 1: most of its just we look at those as they're

998
00:54:11,040 --> 00:54:13,880
Speaker 1: either a novelty or it's for the kids, right, like

999
00:54:13,920 --> 00:54:16,120
Speaker 1: if if my little pony rod gets your little girl

1000
00:54:16,160 --> 00:54:18,319
Speaker 1: excited to get on the water, rock and roll? Right?

1001
00:54:18,680 --> 00:54:21,160
Speaker 1: And what is what has not really happened in the

1002
00:54:21,239 --> 00:54:23,319
Speaker 1: U S and I hope it never does. Is this

1003
00:54:23,520 --> 00:54:27,560
Speaker 1: weird sort of crossing over of fishing tackle with like

1004
00:54:27,640 --> 00:54:31,760
Speaker 1: super trendy or pop culture driven brands that have absolutely

1005
00:54:31,800 --> 00:54:35,800
Speaker 1: nothing to do with fishing. But this is actually happening

1006
00:54:35,920 --> 00:54:39,960
Speaker 1: quite a bit lately um in Japan, and it seems

1007
00:54:40,000 --> 00:54:42,880
Speaker 1: like owning fishing stuff whether you use it or not,

1008
00:54:42,920 --> 00:54:48,719
Speaker 1: whether you fish or not, there's enough uh desire for

1009
00:54:48,760 --> 00:54:51,680
Speaker 1: that that it's becoming a big enough business that crossovers

1010
00:54:51,719 --> 00:54:54,920
Speaker 1: are appealing to tackle manufacturers that you would think like

1011
00:54:55,320 --> 00:54:57,759
Speaker 1: wouldn't have any reason to do this or or be

1012
00:54:57,840 --> 00:55:00,880
Speaker 1: bothered to even entertain the idea. Now as an example, right,

1013
00:55:00,920 --> 00:55:05,640
Speaker 1: So recently, Diawa teamed up with a company called Bape,

1014
00:55:06,000 --> 00:55:09,719
Speaker 1: which is a shortened version of bathing Ape according to

1015
00:55:09,760 --> 00:55:13,239
Speaker 1: my research, And like all they are is like a

1016
00:55:13,320 --> 00:55:15,960
Speaker 1: clothing and housewares company in Japan, and their bread and

1017
00:55:16,000 --> 00:55:18,560
Speaker 1: butter is like T shirts and throw pillows and drink wear.

1018
00:55:18,680 --> 00:55:20,520
Speaker 1: You know, it's like a it's like it's like a

1019
00:55:20,600 --> 00:55:23,239
Speaker 1: Japanese version of urban outfitters, you know, something like I

1020
00:55:23,280 --> 00:55:25,239
Speaker 1: don't know if you know, like which is we all

1021
00:55:25,280 --> 00:55:27,239
Speaker 1: know it's just a one stop shop for hipsters that

1022
00:55:27,320 --> 00:55:29,719
Speaker 1: like kind of want a garden, like maybe want to

1023
00:55:29,760 --> 00:55:32,120
Speaker 1: try a skateboard they're not sure, like want to purchase

1024
00:55:32,600 --> 00:55:35,480
Speaker 1: cassette tapes without risking getting tetanus at the flea market

1025
00:55:35,480 --> 00:55:38,319
Speaker 1: like I used to. Anyway, di Wa and this is

1026
00:55:38,360 --> 00:55:42,800
Speaker 1: like Diwa Diala collaborated uh with Bape on a custom

1027
00:55:42,960 --> 00:55:46,719
Speaker 1: zillion bait caster they called the Fishing Ape, which sold

1028
00:55:46,760 --> 00:55:50,120
Speaker 1: for forty thousand yen which is almost four US, and

1029
00:55:50,160 --> 00:55:53,799
Speaker 1: they all sold out. So if Babe had some no

1030
00:55:53,920 --> 00:55:55,840
Speaker 1: name real maker, make a bunch of reels flying. But

1031
00:55:55,880 --> 00:55:57,839
Speaker 1: this is Diawa and this is happening with many other

1032
00:55:57,880 --> 00:56:01,560
Speaker 1: well known tackle makers over there creating um lore lines

1033
00:56:01,640 --> 00:56:04,239
Speaker 1: for fashion brands and stuff like that that are like

1034
00:56:04,360 --> 00:56:07,080
Speaker 1: joint sold on the on the fashion but yeah, it's weird.

1035
00:56:07,719 --> 00:56:10,799
Speaker 1: Um So anyway, the latest collab which popped up in

1036
00:56:10,800 --> 00:56:14,360
Speaker 1: my news feed is from Duo Lures, and any serious

1037
00:56:14,400 --> 00:56:18,560
Speaker 1: bass heads listening will recognize that, uh Duo's realis line.

1038
00:56:18,719 --> 00:56:21,719
Speaker 1: They have spy baits, swim baits, jerk baits, you name it,

1039
00:56:21,760 --> 00:56:24,040
Speaker 1: and it's all very available in the US and even

1040
00:56:24,040 --> 00:56:27,080
Speaker 1: on several of our big online tackle sites. Um, I don't.

1041
00:56:27,080 --> 00:56:29,520
Speaker 1: I don't you ever heard of Duo loures? Yeah, but

1042
00:56:29,560 --> 00:56:32,279
Speaker 1: I don't. I've never fished them. Yeah I I have.

1043
00:56:32,440 --> 00:56:34,200
Speaker 1: I fished a few, I've got my hands on a few,

1044
00:56:34,280 --> 00:56:37,480
Speaker 1: and it's I mean, it's top shell stuff like badass

1045
00:56:37,840 --> 00:56:41,080
Speaker 1: loures from Japan. Well, Duo might be the luckiest of

1046
00:56:41,080 --> 00:56:44,240
Speaker 1: the collaborators because it appears they have scored the Pokemon license.

1047
00:56:44,760 --> 00:56:49,680
Speaker 1: Oh no, yes, right, And according to the website hype Beasts,

1048
00:56:49,800 --> 00:56:54,440
Speaker 1: Duo is making two Pokemon top waters and like you know,

1049
00:56:54,520 --> 00:56:56,279
Speaker 1: some of you have right now are like which ones?

1050
00:56:56,320 --> 00:57:00,200
Speaker 1: Tell us which ones? Which ones? Why's the do you

1051
00:57:00,239 --> 00:57:03,600
Speaker 1: got for my birthday? Right? But anyway, uh so, naturally

1052
00:57:03,719 --> 00:57:07,480
Speaker 1: you've got Pikachu and he or she I don't really

1053
00:57:07,520 --> 00:57:11,840
Speaker 1: know what sex Pikachu is is modeled after the Jitterbug

1054
00:57:12,400 --> 00:57:16,760
Speaker 1: and has a removable tail with an extra stinger trouble

1055
00:57:16,880 --> 00:57:18,480
Speaker 1: on the back, so you can opt out of his

1056
00:57:18,520 --> 00:57:22,200
Speaker 1: little lightning bolt tail and have three troubles on your

1057
00:57:22,240 --> 00:57:24,680
Speaker 1: Jitterbug and instead of the triditional two. And then they've

1058
00:57:24,720 --> 00:57:31,120
Speaker 1: also done kyogrew kyogre. Don't look at me, I know

1059
00:57:31,160 --> 00:57:35,600
Speaker 1: I'm looking at somebody how Mommy doesn't even know how

1060
00:57:35,640 --> 00:57:40,959
Speaker 1: to say k you know, I don't know. I don't either.

1061
00:57:41,160 --> 00:57:44,000
Speaker 1: And and that one is a crawler style top water

1062
00:57:44,280 --> 00:57:48,240
Speaker 1: you know, you know, so with a little wings and

1063
00:57:48,240 --> 00:57:52,160
Speaker 1: and and and anyway, look like I said, these are

1064
00:57:52,240 --> 00:57:56,840
Speaker 1: not like novelties completely though, because these are really well

1065
00:57:56,920 --> 00:58:01,720
Speaker 1: made lords with really good components, like designed like finally

1066
00:58:01,760 --> 00:58:05,320
Speaker 1: crafted by a company that is known for finally crafted lures.

1067
00:58:05,800 --> 00:58:09,600
Speaker 1: And these are not like the cores can so if

1068
00:58:09,640 --> 00:58:12,080
Speaker 1: you if you couldn get your hands on them, which

1069
00:58:12,080 --> 00:58:14,960
Speaker 1: spoiler alert you cannot. The first run is way way

1070
00:58:15,000 --> 00:58:17,360
Speaker 1: way sold out. So if you were thinking party favors

1071
00:58:17,840 --> 00:58:20,440
Speaker 1: your your ship out of luck, it's not happening. But

1072
00:58:20,560 --> 00:58:23,840
Speaker 1: you'd be spending twenty three bucks for the Pikachu and

1073
00:58:23,920 --> 00:58:28,880
Speaker 1: forty six for the Kyogeri, which is uh, significantly more

1074
00:58:28,960 --> 00:58:31,360
Speaker 1: money than just like what a Duo realis jerk bait

1075
00:58:31,400 --> 00:58:33,560
Speaker 1: will cost you on tackle warehouse. That was I was

1076
00:58:33,560 --> 00:58:36,240
Speaker 1: gonna ask if there's a markup for the there's a

1077
00:58:36,280 --> 00:58:38,600
Speaker 1: mark up from all of this, like the like the

1078
00:58:38,800 --> 00:58:41,720
Speaker 1: zillion reel. If you do the math that the Babe

1079
00:58:41,880 --> 00:58:45,240
Speaker 1: zillion reel was almost a hundred bucks more than if

1080
00:58:45,280 --> 00:58:47,520
Speaker 1: you just went to die and bought a zillion bait cast.

1081
00:58:48,400 --> 00:58:52,160
Speaker 1: So all of this is significantly marked up once it's

1082
00:58:52,200 --> 00:58:56,040
Speaker 1: co branded with this stuff, right, and then like this

1083
00:58:56,040 --> 00:58:58,320
Speaker 1: this hype beast thing. There was also this weird link

1084
00:58:58,400 --> 00:59:02,640
Speaker 1: to Duo's like secret backdoor project site. It's like it's

1085
00:59:02,680 --> 00:59:04,800
Speaker 1: this whole secret lure thing. And I thought that was

1086
00:59:04,840 --> 00:59:08,200
Speaker 1: bad enough with people just clamoring to get hard, you know,

1087
00:59:08,280 --> 00:59:11,040
Speaker 1: hard to get Japanese lures that they actually might fish.

1088
00:59:11,240 --> 00:59:13,600
Speaker 1: But now right, so I just I find it all

1089
00:59:13,640 --> 00:59:16,320
Speaker 1: fascinating and weird, but I I don't see it working

1090
00:59:16,360 --> 00:59:19,080
Speaker 1: here because if it's cheap, nobody wants it, you know.

1091
00:59:19,080 --> 00:59:21,560
Speaker 1: I mean, like nobody cares about the John Deer Hula popper.

1092
00:59:21,640 --> 00:59:23,520
Speaker 1: They'll just buy the color that they want if it's

1093
00:59:23,520 --> 00:59:26,680
Speaker 1: the same price. And likewise, nobody is paying extra money

1094
00:59:26,680 --> 00:59:29,320
Speaker 1: for the Hollister branded pen reel here. So this is

1095
00:59:29,320 --> 00:59:33,320
Speaker 1: like a very uniquely Japanese thing. Um. But I don't know,

1096
00:59:33,360 --> 00:59:35,919
Speaker 1: I just find it fascinating that like lures are now

1097
00:59:36,320 --> 00:59:40,520
Speaker 1: becoming i don't know, just like a thing like a

1098
00:59:40,640 --> 00:59:42,840
Speaker 1: like a house plant, like things that people want that

1099
00:59:42,920 --> 00:59:45,200
Speaker 1: have nothing to do with fishing. Yeah, I can't I

1100
00:59:45,240 --> 00:59:47,360
Speaker 1: can't understand that. This is a good example of why

1101
00:59:47,320 --> 00:59:50,120
Speaker 1: I like, I'm not a business whiz, because if somebody

1102
00:59:50,200 --> 00:59:55,800
Speaker 1: coming to like, uh no, that sounds like a terrible idea,

1103
00:59:56,080 --> 00:59:58,280
Speaker 1: and clearly they're selling out in a different market very well,

1104
00:59:58,360 --> 01:00:00,960
Speaker 1: So it shows what I don't know. Yeah, and there's dude,

1105
01:00:01,000 --> 01:00:03,760
Speaker 1: there's videos of these Pokemon lawyers aside from the pact

1106
01:00:03,760 --> 01:00:06,880
Speaker 1: that they're Pokemon lawers, like moving through the water. I

1107
01:00:06,920 --> 01:00:09,160
Speaker 1: mean they look like they will get chewed, like like

1108
01:00:09,200 --> 01:00:12,160
Speaker 1: the frigging jitterbug Pikachu. Like the looks fishy as ship

1109
01:00:12,400 --> 01:00:14,680
Speaker 1: like it will get hammered. I'm sure it will. But

1110
01:00:14,680 --> 01:00:16,880
Speaker 1: why would I pay the extra for the beak too?

1111
01:00:16,960 --> 01:00:19,280
Speaker 1: I wouldn't. You you wouldn't. But there's another video and

1112
01:00:19,280 --> 01:00:21,280
Speaker 1: I can't understand it because it's in Japanese. But like

1113
01:00:21,320 --> 01:00:24,600
Speaker 1: the president of Duo looks very excited about this collaboration,

1114
01:00:25,280 --> 01:00:29,080
Speaker 1: which I understand because it's Pokemon. Like you're gonna sell

1115
01:00:29,440 --> 01:00:32,080
Speaker 1: like you thought the dude with the other thing with

1116
01:00:32,120 --> 01:00:34,960
Speaker 1: the babe is making money. You're gonna sell some Pokemon lawders.

1117
01:00:35,000 --> 01:00:37,520
Speaker 1: So good on them for working that one out for sure.

1118
01:00:37,680 --> 01:00:39,720
Speaker 1: And that's the one I'm hoping. Phil, are you into Pokemon?

1119
01:00:39,840 --> 01:00:45,120
Speaker 1: I'm banking on it. I don't know, by the way,

1120
01:00:45,320 --> 01:00:48,120
Speaker 1: and I am. I am insulted on your behalf. Moving

1121
01:00:48,120 --> 01:00:53,880
Speaker 1: on anyway, Phil, whether you're offended or you just you're

1122
01:00:53,920 --> 01:00:55,760
Speaker 1: just online right now trying to get one of those

1123
01:00:55,800 --> 01:00:58,960
Speaker 1: lures some way. He's not even listening anymore. He's just

1124
01:00:59,280 --> 01:01:01,760
Speaker 1: it's just back ordering. I know. We'll see, we'll see,

1125
01:01:01,760 --> 01:01:03,480
Speaker 1: we'll see what happens. We'll see it. My fate is

1126
01:01:03,520 --> 01:01:05,560
Speaker 1: And after we hear from Phil, we're gonna do a

1127
01:01:05,600 --> 01:01:08,200
Speaker 1: little fin clips and talk about a buffalo soldier. Most

1128
01:01:08,200 --> 01:01:14,600
Speaker 1: of you guys probably have never heard of Miles. Thank

1129
01:01:14,640 --> 01:01:17,040
Speaker 1: you for sticking up for me, because Joe, I don't

1130
01:01:17,040 --> 01:01:19,680
Speaker 1: know what about me would make you think that I'm

1131
01:01:19,720 --> 01:01:22,600
Speaker 1: the kind of person who would know that a Pikachu

1132
01:01:22,760 --> 01:01:25,680
Speaker 1: is a species and therefore can be male or female,

1133
01:01:25,840 --> 01:01:29,040
Speaker 1: or that Kyoger is a legendary water Pokemon first introduced

1134
01:01:29,040 --> 01:01:31,920
Speaker 1: in jen threeng was the cover Pokemon for Pokemon Sapphire

1135
01:01:31,960 --> 01:01:34,160
Speaker 1: on the Game Boy Advance. But you know, much like

1136
01:01:34,280 --> 01:01:36,560
Speaker 1: those nerds who play Pokemon, I'll do a little role

1137
01:01:36,560 --> 01:01:38,840
Speaker 1: playing here and pretend to be someone who is interested

1138
01:01:38,880 --> 01:01:40,959
Speaker 1: in any of that bull crap and say, oh, Joe,

1139
01:01:41,360 --> 01:01:43,360
Speaker 1: you're the winner, thanks for letting me know about all

1140
01:01:43,360 --> 01:01:52,400
Speaker 1: these really cool lures. The uh let's see, still out

1141
01:01:52,400 --> 01:01:59,920
Speaker 1: of stock. Damn it? A big mouth buffalo or kind

1142
01:01:59,920 --> 01:02:03,400
Speaker 1: of a sleeper fish. Even though they're found from southwestern

1143
01:02:03,440 --> 01:02:06,560
Speaker 1: Canada to Louisiana, can go more than seventy pounds and

1144
01:02:06,600 --> 01:02:09,720
Speaker 1: pull like a goddamn freight train, they're never really caught

1145
01:02:09,760 --> 01:02:13,200
Speaker 1: on as a sport fish. If you have ever seen

1146
01:02:13,320 --> 01:02:15,000
Speaker 1: or heard of a big mouth buffalo is a good

1147
01:02:15,080 --> 01:02:18,040
Speaker 1: chance you either mistook it for a common carp or

1148
01:02:18,120 --> 01:02:20,560
Speaker 1: someone told you it was a carp. I'm gonna let

1149
01:02:20,600 --> 01:02:24,480
Speaker 1: Stephen Ronnella set you straight on that buffalo ain't carp.

1150
01:02:25,400 --> 01:02:29,520
Speaker 1: Got that good because it's an important distinction. If you're

1151
01:02:29,560 --> 01:02:32,560
Speaker 1: in the camp of miscategorizing this fish, you're not alone.

1152
01:02:33,200 --> 01:02:38,400
Speaker 1: Their Latin name is Atopis spernallis. Spernallis means small carp,

1153
01:02:38,520 --> 01:02:40,640
Speaker 1: so people have been misnaming this fish for a very

1154
01:02:40,720 --> 01:02:44,080
Speaker 1: long time. To be fair, they do look a little

1155
01:02:44,160 --> 01:02:47,440
Speaker 1: like a common carp. They have large scales, broad shoulders,

1156
01:02:47,520 --> 01:02:51,520
Speaker 1: big rubbery lips, and a generally similar profile. But big

1157
01:02:51,600 --> 01:02:55,320
Speaker 1: mouth buffalo are actually the largest member of the sucker family,

1158
01:02:55,640 --> 01:02:59,280
Speaker 1: and unlike carp they're very much native to North America.

1159
01:03:00,200 --> 01:03:03,560
Speaker 1: Being native, they're an important component of the ecosystems and

1160
01:03:03,680 --> 01:03:07,640
Speaker 1: food webs. Young buffalo or common prey for sport fish

1161
01:03:07,760 --> 01:03:10,920
Speaker 1: like bass, walleye, pike, and muskie. As they get bigger,

1162
01:03:11,320 --> 01:03:14,800
Speaker 1: they have fewer natural predators. But the one and twenty

1163
01:03:14,880 --> 01:03:20,200
Speaker 1: three pound world record flathead catfish Cotton, Kansas had a

1164
01:03:20,440 --> 01:03:24,800
Speaker 1: fifteen pound big mouth buffalo in its gut. Strangely enough,

1165
01:03:25,120 --> 01:03:28,520
Speaker 1: that flathead was caught as bycatched by a croppy angler,

1166
01:03:29,160 --> 01:03:32,720
Speaker 1: which just validates the fact that catfish eat anything from

1167
01:03:32,880 --> 01:03:37,920
Speaker 1: fifteen pound fish to minnows. Buffalo themselves are primarily filter feeders,

1168
01:03:38,040 --> 01:03:42,040
Speaker 1: meaning they don't usually target and attack prey. They kind

1169
01:03:42,080 --> 01:03:45,600
Speaker 1: of eat like humpback whales, swimming around, sucking in water

1170
01:03:45,720 --> 01:03:48,080
Speaker 1: and filtering out whatever food items they come up with,

1171
01:03:48,800 --> 01:03:52,240
Speaker 1: mostly insects and zooplankton. This is part of the reason

1172
01:03:52,640 --> 01:03:55,600
Speaker 1: they haven't caught on with anglers. Targeting fish that don't

1173
01:03:55,720 --> 01:03:59,120
Speaker 1: key in on prey is difficult. More on that later.

1174
01:03:59,640 --> 01:04:03,160
Speaker 1: They are, however, sometimes caught on crank baits, most often

1175
01:04:03,200 --> 01:04:07,040
Speaker 1: in the spring. Two people have shown me photographic evidence

1176
01:04:07,080 --> 01:04:09,880
Speaker 1: of big mouth buffalo landed with crank baits hooked in

1177
01:04:09,920 --> 01:04:14,000
Speaker 1: their mouths. I've also heard quite a few unconfirmed rumors

1178
01:04:14,080 --> 01:04:16,280
Speaker 1: from folks who claimed to catch them on cranks and

1179
01:04:16,360 --> 01:04:20,600
Speaker 1: other lures with some regularity. But if you ask Alec Lackman,

1180
01:04:21,040 --> 01:04:24,040
Speaker 1: one of the foremost buffalo biologists, about this, he'll tell

1181
01:04:24,080 --> 01:04:27,920
Speaker 1: you he's unsure. Alex studied a fair number of buffalo

1182
01:04:28,040 --> 01:04:30,840
Speaker 1: and has never seen compelling evidence that buffalo target and

1183
01:04:30,840 --> 01:04:33,880
Speaker 1: attack smaller fish. Since they swim around with their mouths

1184
01:04:33,920 --> 01:04:37,600
Speaker 1: open much of the time, they might accidentally get impaled

1185
01:04:37,640 --> 01:04:40,080
Speaker 1: by a passing hook. Or It's also possible that they

1186
01:04:40,160 --> 01:04:42,800
Speaker 1: might switch up their diets and seek out higher protein

1187
01:04:42,840 --> 01:04:46,360
Speaker 1: food options in certain situations. That's still an open question,

1188
01:04:46,800 --> 01:04:50,480
Speaker 1: one of many when it comes to buffalo. See. Even

1189
01:04:50,520 --> 01:04:53,360
Speaker 1: though they're a native fish common across much of the US,

1190
01:04:53,680 --> 01:04:58,640
Speaker 1: buffalo have been ignored by almost everybody, including fisheries biologists.

1191
01:04:58,960 --> 01:05:01,960
Speaker 1: If you look them up, you can find academic resources

1192
01:05:02,120 --> 01:05:04,360
Speaker 1: right now that claim these fish lived ten to fifteen

1193
01:05:04,440 --> 01:05:07,680
Speaker 1: years and exhibit spawning behavior similar to most other suckers.

1194
01:05:08,360 --> 01:05:12,200
Speaker 1: But that's just not true. In nineteen Alec Lackman, the

1195
01:05:12,240 --> 01:05:15,960
Speaker 1: biologist I mentioned earlier radio carbon dated the odalitz or

1196
01:05:16,400 --> 01:05:19,840
Speaker 1: earbones from big mouth buffalo harvested by bow fishers from

1197
01:05:19,880 --> 01:05:22,800
Speaker 1: some lakes in his home state of Minnesota. The oldest

1198
01:05:22,840 --> 01:05:27,240
Speaker 1: fish he recorded was one and twelve before catching an arrow.

1199
01:05:27,360 --> 01:05:30,560
Speaker 1: That fish had survived two World War Is, the Great Depression, Prohibition,

1200
01:05:30,640 --> 01:05:33,520
Speaker 1: the entire Space program, fifty three Super Bowls, and the

1201
01:05:33,600 --> 01:05:37,000
Speaker 1: invention of the Internet. Despite living through all that, the

1202
01:05:37,080 --> 01:05:40,200
Speaker 1: fish was an excellent condition, which really begs the question,

1203
01:05:40,480 --> 01:05:44,480
Speaker 1: how long can these fish live? No one knows. Finding

1204
01:05:44,640 --> 01:05:48,440
Speaker 1: such an old fish was shocking, but Equally shocking was

1205
01:05:48,520 --> 01:05:51,360
Speaker 1: what Lackman didn't find in the Pelican Lakes and River

1206
01:05:51,480 --> 01:05:54,560
Speaker 1: system where he did his research. Lackman discovered that almost

1207
01:05:54,720 --> 01:05:59,160
Speaker 1: nine of the fish are eighty years or older. He

1208
01:05:59,240 --> 01:06:02,200
Speaker 1: found a few fish in their early forties and none

1209
01:06:02,280 --> 01:06:05,680
Speaker 1: younger than that, which means the buffalo haven't been consistently

1210
01:06:05,760 --> 01:06:09,360
Speaker 1: reproducing there since the thirties, and haven't reproduced at all

1211
01:06:09,920 --> 01:06:12,400
Speaker 1: since the late seventies. The reasons for this aren't yet

1212
01:06:12,440 --> 01:06:15,120
Speaker 1: to find, but right around that time, damns were going

1213
01:06:15,200 --> 01:06:18,120
Speaker 1: up in common carp we're starting to proliferate. The damns

1214
01:06:18,240 --> 01:06:20,520
Speaker 1: might have changed the hydrology of the area enough that

1215
01:06:20,560 --> 01:06:23,320
Speaker 1: buffalo can't find the right spawning habitat, and the carp

1216
01:06:23,520 --> 01:06:26,160
Speaker 1: might be crowding them out of their spawning grounds. At

1217
01:06:26,200 --> 01:06:29,280
Speaker 1: least for now, it's all still an open question. Blackman

1218
01:06:29,400 --> 01:06:33,880
Speaker 1: has concluded that buffalo employ a reproductive strategy called periodic recruitment,

1219
01:06:34,280 --> 01:06:37,360
Speaker 1: meaning that they live a really long time but only

1220
01:06:37,480 --> 01:06:41,080
Speaker 1: spawn wind conditions are near optimal. Sturgeon do something similar.

1221
01:06:42,320 --> 01:06:45,320
Speaker 1: Lackman and some colleagues published a paper that made kind

1222
01:06:45,360 --> 01:06:49,400
Speaker 1: of a stir and finally finally got people talking about

1223
01:06:49,480 --> 01:06:53,520
Speaker 1: and interested in buffalo and that includes me. I hardly

1224
01:06:53,560 --> 01:06:56,760
Speaker 1: even knew these fish existed before, and ever since then,

1225
01:06:57,240 --> 01:07:01,160
Speaker 1: I've been freaking mesmerized by their creepy, lacked doll eyes.

1226
01:07:02,000 --> 01:07:04,080
Speaker 1: Ryan Callahan and I got so geeked out on these

1227
01:07:04,120 --> 01:07:05,840
Speaker 1: fish that we decided to do a whole doss bowed

1228
01:07:05,880 --> 01:07:07,720
Speaker 1: episode on them, which is how I ended up getting

1229
01:07:07,760 --> 01:07:09,920
Speaker 1: to know Alec. Though I got to spend a few

1230
01:07:09,960 --> 01:07:13,439
Speaker 1: days fishing for buffalo, I never completely sealed the deal.

1231
01:07:13,960 --> 01:07:17,360
Speaker 1: These fish pull hard, and every single one I stuck

1232
01:07:17,400 --> 01:07:20,880
Speaker 1: either broke me off or bent out my hooks. In

1233
01:07:21,040 --> 01:07:24,480
Speaker 1: my mind, buffalo could be the next obsession fish for

1234
01:07:24,560 --> 01:07:27,840
Speaker 1: anglers who love a challenge. They're big, powerful, and smart.

1235
01:07:28,360 --> 01:07:30,840
Speaker 1: You can sit fish for them. They will feed on

1236
01:07:30,960 --> 01:07:33,880
Speaker 1: the surface in the right conditions. They're like milk fish,

1237
01:07:34,280 --> 01:07:36,720
Speaker 1: except you don't have to spend four days and twenty

1238
01:07:36,760 --> 01:07:39,480
Speaker 1: grand flying to say shehells to cast to them. I

1239
01:07:39,600 --> 01:07:42,440
Speaker 1: also here they make exceptional table fair and that barbecue

1240
01:07:42,480 --> 01:07:46,120
Speaker 1: buffalo ribs or delicacy. Just make sure you're taking them

1241
01:07:46,160 --> 01:07:49,520
Speaker 1: from a population that's reproducing, and don't kill the octogenarians.

1242
01:07:50,440 --> 01:07:53,760
Speaker 1: Despite my failures, buffalo can be consistently taken on hook

1243
01:07:53,800 --> 01:07:55,520
Speaker 1: and line I got to know a guy in Minneapolis

1244
01:07:55,560 --> 01:07:58,440
Speaker 1: who catches them with a souped up ten car rod

1245
01:07:58,520 --> 01:08:01,800
Speaker 1: and chunks of inflated nightcrawler. It works, I saw it,

1246
01:08:02,000 --> 01:08:05,240
Speaker 1: but I'm convinced that there are other ways, And to me,

1247
01:08:05,360 --> 01:08:08,000
Speaker 1: that's probably the most intriguing thing about these fish. The

1248
01:08:08,080 --> 01:08:10,800
Speaker 1: playbook for them has yet to be written. They're an

1249
01:08:10,920 --> 01:08:16,320
Speaker 1: utterly common exotic sport fish except right now. They're classified

1250
01:08:16,360 --> 01:08:18,720
Speaker 1: as rough fish in most places, meaning they get very

1251
01:08:18,760 --> 01:08:22,879
Speaker 1: little management attention and often have no harvest limits. Buffalo

1252
01:08:22,920 --> 01:08:24,880
Speaker 1: are a favorite target of both fishers, who like just

1253
01:08:25,040 --> 01:08:27,920
Speaker 1: about everyone else, assume that their carp and that removing

1254
01:08:27,960 --> 01:08:31,680
Speaker 1: them in masses not just fun but beneficial to ecosystems.

1255
01:08:32,400 --> 01:08:35,640
Speaker 1: These fish need advocates, so please find out if you

1256
01:08:35,760 --> 01:08:38,920
Speaker 1: have them in your local waters, Learn the difference between

1257
01:08:38,920 --> 01:08:41,160
Speaker 1: a buffalo and a carp and test your skills on them,

1258
01:08:41,760 --> 01:08:43,680
Speaker 1: and if you figured out, give me a shout. I

1259
01:08:43,800 --> 01:08:48,960
Speaker 1: might just show up for a visit. All right, I'm

1260
01:08:49,040 --> 01:08:51,200
Speaker 1: going to ask the question that I know you're waiting for.

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Speaker 1: What the hell did that segment have to do with

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Speaker 1: this week's theme? How are you tying this one? I

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Speaker 1: am so glad you asked Joe. I appreciate well gross

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Speaker 1: point blank revolves around the main character trying to figure

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Speaker 1: out his identity. Right, how are you? Yeah, I'm a

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Speaker 1: pet psychiatrist. I sell countri charts, and I had I

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Speaker 1: did a test market positive thinking, and I need a

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Speaker 1: weekend men's group. We specialized ritual killings. Yeah. Yeah. And

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Speaker 1: and then in the end, if he wants to save

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Speaker 1: himself and get the girl and and and live the

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Speaker 1: happily ever after thing, he has to reclaim his identity.

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Speaker 1: So you're making an analogy with the fact that buffalo

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Speaker 1: have been given this invasive carp identity and if we

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Speaker 1: want to save them, what like, they need to go

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Speaker 1: back to being what they actually are, native non invasive suckers.

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Speaker 1: Nailed it, Yes, exactly. Huh listen, I'm gonna do is

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Speaker 1: say anything theme next week full on Voyd Dobbler. Yes,

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Speaker 1: I support that, And Diane Court will represent a hog

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Speaker 1: Larry at the country club that you shouldn't be fishing.

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Speaker 1: How's that? I appreciated that. And I don't know if

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Speaker 1: more or less people will get those references, but there

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Speaker 1: there's not a single person listening right now that won't

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Speaker 1: know the lure you're about to cover in this week's

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Speaker 1: end the line, because whether you love it or hate it,

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Speaker 1: you just keep buying them fish. Well, that's not loud enough. Sanko's,

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Speaker 1: Where do you stand? Are they a miracle lore or

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Speaker 1: have they made it so easy for people to catch

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Speaker 1: bass that they're at cheat or are you in the middle?

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Speaker 1: Is it okay when you catch a big bass on

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Speaker 1: a wacky rigg sinko but lame when someone else does it?

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Speaker 1: Do you scoff at Sinko's while keeping a statue of

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Speaker 1: them in your bag as an insurance policy? When you

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Speaker 1: do catch a fish worthy of an insta post, are

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Speaker 1: you keep in the sinko in its mouth and owning it?

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Speaker 1: Are you gonna be vague and maybe throw up a

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Speaker 1: hashtag Mega Bass? No matter where you stand, don't rush

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Speaker 1: to judgment on what our bud Mike i Canelli refers

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Speaker 1: to as the magic hot Dog recently Metator's fishing editor

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Speaker 1: my buddy Sam Longer and penned a detailed piece for

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Speaker 1: the meat Eater dot Com proposing that the Senko is

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Speaker 1: in fact the greatest soft plastic ever created and per

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Speaker 1: sam story, the Senko hit the market and Gary Yamamoto

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Speaker 1: reportedly took inspiration from a big pen to create some

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Speaker 1: of the earliest senko molds. At the time, there were

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Speaker 1: other soft stick baits on the market, such as the Slugo,

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Speaker 1: but Yamamoto played with the weight, density, buoyancy, and a

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Speaker 1: slew of other details to create a loure that pretty

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Speaker 1: much any angler of any skill level can use to

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Speaker 1: catch big bass. The caveat is that it's not just

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Speaker 1: the lure but how you rig it. It's effective rig

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Speaker 1: Texas style or on a jighead, or Carolina style or weedless,

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Speaker 1: but it's fair to say none of those methods activate

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Speaker 1: the magic. Like wacky rigging to wacky rigging sanko, tie

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Speaker 1: a small short shank hook on the end of your

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Speaker 1: line and just run it right through the center of

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Speaker 1: the bait there perpendicular to the body. That's it. There's

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Speaker 1: no bullet weights or split shot or nails or specialty

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Speaker 1: terminal tackle. Just simply cast that weightless sanko out and

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Speaker 1: let it fall, and as it does, it will undulate

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Speaker 1: and it will wobble, and if you don't get smoked

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Speaker 1: on the drop, let the bait just sit on the bottom.

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Speaker 1: Maybe even for like a full minute, because it's not

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Speaker 1: uncommon for a fish to just suck it up while

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Speaker 1: it's laying there lifeless. And if one doesn't slightly lift

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Speaker 1: a rod and give it a very short hop and

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Speaker 1: repeat this slow grind until eventually that lawer makes it

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Speaker 1: back to the boat in a nutshell, that's wacky rigging.

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Speaker 1: And for many reasons that are more speculation than fact,

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Speaker 1: bass can rarely leave a wacky rigged sanko alone. And

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Speaker 1: because it's productive minus a lot of effort on your part,

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Speaker 1: it has helped coin the term do nothing bait in

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Speaker 1: the bass fishing world. Interestingly, many people associate the invention

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Speaker 1: of the sinko with the advent of wacky rigging, but

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Speaker 1: that's not really accurate. Anglers have been casting plastic worms

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Speaker 1: hooked through the middle since the original cream worm hit

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Speaker 1: the market in but nobody was making a fuss about

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Speaker 1: it or giving it any sort of label. Believe it

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Speaker 1: or not, Many bass fishing historians trace the origin of

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Speaker 1: the wacky rig craze to New Jersey and a lord

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Speaker 1: called the Jersey rig. Jersey rigs were developed by Jeff Camarino,

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Speaker 1: and they look shockingly similar to a Senko though a

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Speaker 1: little shorter and stubby here Now today, packs of these

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Speaker 1: baits are highly coveted on eBay and they maintain a

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Speaker 1: cult following, with many cult members claiming they're far more

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Speaker 1: effective than the Senko. In fact, in the right circles,

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Speaker 1: if you say wacky rig, somebody will say, oh, you

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Speaker 1: mean Jersey rig. Camerino never had a website, working only

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Speaker 1: via mail order and accepting only checks, but the Jersey

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Speaker 1: rig still caught on within bass circles because when hooked

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Speaker 1: through the middle, they really shine on the highly pressured

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Speaker 1: lakes throughout the Northeast. And Camarino was pumping out his

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Speaker 1: Jersey rigs right around the time the Sanko debut. And

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Speaker 1: that's not to suggest the Yamamoto ripped off the Jersey rig,

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Speaker 1: because many companies developed similar lures, but rather that the

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Speaker 1: marketing juice and ability to get product and so many

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Speaker 1: more hands helped the Sinko corner the market and grab

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Speaker 1: the spotlight. Now there's no shortage of Sinko imitators out

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Speaker 1: there today, like Berkeley's, the General and the Strike king

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Speaker 1: o Cho, just to name a few. And they're good.

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Speaker 1: I've caught fish on them, but I've yet to find

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Speaker 1: a stick bait that I would say matches the productivity

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Speaker 1: and ability to draw a strike when nothing else seems

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Speaker 1: to quite like the sinko. And I've also heard that

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Speaker 1: the exact formula for a sinko is guarded like the

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Speaker 1: recipe for coca cola. And I believe that because while

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Speaker 1: it's easy to look at a sinko and call it

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Speaker 1: dumb or call it simple, if you think of the

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Speaker 1: tinkering that had to be done to make it so effective,

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Speaker 1: it's actually an engineering marvel. Now, as for me, I mean,

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Speaker 1: I love sanko's and I never bass fish without them,

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Speaker 1: and they may not be what I tie on first,

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Speaker 1: but when the bite I hope for isn't materializing, I

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Speaker 1: can't tie one on fast enough. So am I cheating

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Speaker 1: every time I do that? Would you discredit my personal

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Speaker 1: best homewater smalley because I caught it on a wacky

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Speaker 1: rig sinko, which by the way, I did In my opinion,

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Speaker 1: that would be dumb because while we love to kick

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Speaker 1: around this term do nothing lure, there is no lure

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Speaker 1: that is truly do nothing and productive. Every single time.

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Speaker 1: A wacky rig sinko may help a lot of people

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Speaker 1: get luckier than they would have. But most of the

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Speaker 1: time the lure isn't enough and it won't do you

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01:15:35,439 --> 01:15:37,600
Speaker 1: much good if you don't know exactly where to throw it,

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01:15:38,000 --> 01:15:41,080
Speaker 1: how aggressively or subtly it'll work, it exactly what kind

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Speaker 1: of gear you should throw it on in different situations,

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Speaker 1: and a whole bunch of other things that you really

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Speaker 1: only learned through time on the water. And once they

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Speaker 1: invent a lure that you can literally cast anywhere at

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01:15:52,080 --> 01:15:55,360
Speaker 1: any time, in any water and it catches fish every

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Speaker 1: single time you send it out there, well, hell I

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Speaker 1: quit Well, that brings us to the end of our

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Speaker 1: John Cusack and Mini Driver reunions special But if cisk

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Speaker 1: Niebert were giving out thumbs that didn't get turned into lures,

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Speaker 1: this one would definitely get two pointed straight up for

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Speaker 1: incorporating phishing's most closely guarded secret formula, the hottest new

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Speaker 1: fish that may have been around longer than your grandparents,

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Speaker 1: how I'm most likely going to die by serial killer,

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Speaker 1: and antiquated laws about knitting. Oh Man as always Senior

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Speaker 1: Bar nomination Saleman items, awkward fishing photos and CSI anonymous

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Speaker 1: tips to bent at the meat Eater dot com. Remember

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Speaker 1: to drop the Degenerate Angler and Bent podcast hashtags on

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Speaker 1: your social posts. Maybe tag gross point blank and do

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Speaker 1: yourself a favor. Go watch that movie this week. It

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Speaker 1: is straight brilliant. Yeah. I have to agree that we'll

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Speaker 1: see how many gross point tags there are, but Miles

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Speaker 1: has convinced me. It's some sleep or gold. And for

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Speaker 1: those of you gearing up for your ten year unions

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01:16:58,640 --> 01:17:00,559
Speaker 1: in a couple of months, here's some help full advice.

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01:17:00,920 --> 01:17:03,800
Speaker 1: Go see some old friends, have some punch. Visit with

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Speaker 1: what's her name, that bee, that'd bean. Don't kill anybody

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Speaker 1: for a few days, see what it feels like.