1 00:00:05,240 --> 00:00:07,280 Speaker 1: Hey, this is any and Samantha. 2 00:00:06,840 --> 00:00:09,119 Speaker 2: Welcome stuff. I never told your prediction of iHeart radio. 3 00:00:18,760 --> 00:00:22,640 Speaker 1: And we are wrapping up Pride Month. It is towards 4 00:00:22,640 --> 00:00:23,840 Speaker 1: the end of June. 5 00:00:23,520 --> 00:00:26,400 Speaker 3: But of course, as you know, we will be celebrating 6 00:00:26,440 --> 00:00:29,960 Speaker 3: and always celebrate the queer community all day every day. 7 00:00:30,400 --> 00:00:34,600 Speaker 3: So you know, even though it's official by standards of 8 00:00:34,640 --> 00:00:38,080 Speaker 3: the calendar and whatever, I guess the US teams, is 9 00:00:38,080 --> 00:00:41,040 Speaker 3: it international or just the US that doesn't in June. 10 00:00:41,440 --> 00:00:46,440 Speaker 2: I believe it's it's not international. I think several other 11 00:00:46,479 --> 00:00:49,599 Speaker 2: countries do it, but it is not completely international. 12 00:00:49,280 --> 00:00:51,200 Speaker 3: Okay, so they do it in their own time. Because 13 00:00:51,200 --> 00:00:54,000 Speaker 3: I also know, like, yeah, unfortunately there's a split here 14 00:00:54,000 --> 00:00:55,600 Speaker 3: in the US as well at different time, and we've 15 00:00:55,600 --> 00:00:58,959 Speaker 3: talked about that previously. But going back to officially by 16 00:00:59,040 --> 00:01:04,120 Speaker 3: calendar by US calendar holidays is wrapping up of Pride Month. 17 00:01:04,160 --> 00:01:05,680 Speaker 1: I always go always a little. 18 00:01:05,480 --> 00:01:09,400 Speaker 3: Bit off track, but this time we are wrapping it 19 00:01:09,480 --> 00:01:13,200 Speaker 3: up with a Native American activist, Charlie Amaya Scott. So 20 00:01:13,319 --> 00:01:16,560 Speaker 3: Scott is an activist, educator, and scholar, and as someone 21 00:01:16,600 --> 00:01:18,920 Speaker 3: who seeks to find joy and share it, I love 22 00:01:19,000 --> 00:01:23,039 Speaker 3: that when we were researching them, they just talked about 23 00:01:23,080 --> 00:01:25,840 Speaker 3: wanting to share their stories and bring joy and I 24 00:01:26,120 --> 00:01:29,039 Speaker 3: of course we are all down for that. Scott has 25 00:01:29,120 --> 00:01:32,680 Speaker 3: been an outspoken advocate for the indigenous community as well 26 00:01:32,720 --> 00:01:35,840 Speaker 3: as a fierce activist for climate justice. On their site 27 00:01:35,959 --> 00:01:39,600 Speaker 3: Denay Aesthetics dot com, they write, born and raised within 28 00:01:39,640 --> 00:01:43,039 Speaker 3: the Navajo Nation, Charlie Amia Scott is dedicated to creating 29 00:01:43,080 --> 00:01:46,280 Speaker 3: and sharing content that inspires joy and justice. They have 30 00:01:46,360 --> 00:01:49,800 Speaker 3: worked with brand and organizations around climate justice, celebrating her 31 00:01:49,840 --> 00:01:53,440 Speaker 3: culture and language, advocating and supporting movements that celebrate or 32 00:01:53,480 --> 00:01:56,800 Speaker 3: affect black and Indigenous, queer and trans peoples, and sharing 33 00:01:57,040 --> 00:02:01,520 Speaker 3: knowledge around Indigenous people's gender and sexuality, date, colonization, higher 34 00:02:01,600 --> 00:02:05,920 Speaker 3: education representation, and more. They are transactivist as well, and 35 00:02:06,000 --> 00:02:09,000 Speaker 3: they go by by them she her, So there may 36 00:02:09,040 --> 00:02:12,760 Speaker 3: be some interchanging here, but yeah, so that's that is 37 00:02:12,800 --> 00:02:14,080 Speaker 3: their preference and we honor that. 38 00:02:14,560 --> 00:02:18,800 Speaker 2: Yes, yes, And they are currently working on their PhD 39 00:02:18,960 --> 00:02:21,920 Speaker 2: at the University of Denver, and according to their site quote, 40 00:02:22,040 --> 00:02:25,280 Speaker 2: Charlie is also a doctoral candidate who is intrigued by 41 00:02:25,280 --> 00:02:30,200 Speaker 2: the intricracies among higher education, settler colonialism, and social media. 42 00:02:30,560 --> 00:02:33,440 Speaker 2: Their scholarship and writings are imbued with a desire for 43 00:02:33,639 --> 00:02:37,480 Speaker 2: a more just and liberating education that supports, inspires, and 44 00:02:37,520 --> 00:02:42,040 Speaker 2: celebrates the next generation of queer, trans, and Indigenous students 45 00:02:42,800 --> 00:02:48,320 Speaker 2: and to expand on that. They told blogger Cassandra Banksen quote, 46 00:02:48,520 --> 00:02:51,440 Speaker 2: my area of study is similar to what I post online. 47 00:02:51,680 --> 00:02:55,040 Speaker 2: It's celebrating and advocating for black, brown, and Indigenous peoples, 48 00:02:55,080 --> 00:02:57,960 Speaker 2: particularly those who are queer in trans I'm trying to 49 00:02:57,960 --> 00:03:04,560 Speaker 2: address things like rainbow capitalism, cultural appropriation, misrepresentation, and college access. 50 00:03:04,919 --> 00:03:07,600 Speaker 2: In celebration of Pride Month, I've been focusing a lot 51 00:03:07,639 --> 00:03:11,080 Speaker 2: more on queer and trans folk and the marginalization that 52 00:03:11,120 --> 00:03:15,120 Speaker 2: they experienced both within and outside different Native nations. To 53 00:03:15,240 --> 00:03:18,639 Speaker 2: empower and educate others, I talk about my experiences as 54 00:03:18,639 --> 00:03:22,520 Speaker 2: a queer transfem and how they have influenced my life. 55 00:03:22,320 --> 00:03:25,640 Speaker 3: Right and as they mentioned, Charlie has had a big 56 00:03:25,680 --> 00:03:28,960 Speaker 3: impact within the social media platforms talking about their work 57 00:03:29,000 --> 00:03:32,080 Speaker 3: and how to address the ideas of colonization and decolonization. 58 00:03:32,560 --> 00:03:35,040 Speaker 3: In an interview with indie kids dot org, which are 59 00:03:35,120 --> 00:03:38,360 Speaker 3: interviews with younger kids, like the interviewer here is a 60 00:03:38,360 --> 00:03:40,920 Speaker 3: ten year old named Nikki. So I was like cool, cool, 61 00:03:40,920 --> 00:03:42,920 Speaker 3: I love this idea, and by the way, the questions 62 00:03:43,040 --> 00:03:45,360 Speaker 3: were really really deep, and I was like, oh, I 63 00:03:45,480 --> 00:03:49,640 Speaker 3: neeed lessons from her, they say. I speak on a 64 00:03:49,680 --> 00:03:52,200 Speaker 3: lot of issues on social media, like climate justice or 65 00:03:52,280 --> 00:03:55,480 Speaker 3: justice within education. I try to encourage other Native youth 66 00:03:55,600 --> 00:03:57,640 Speaker 3: who want to go to college and advocate on their 67 00:03:57,640 --> 00:04:00,480 Speaker 3: behalf with professors or staff of a college. I want 68 00:04:00,520 --> 00:04:02,760 Speaker 3: these people to understand that the way that Native people 69 00:04:02,800 --> 00:04:05,200 Speaker 3: interact and move through this world might be a little 70 00:04:05,200 --> 00:04:08,040 Speaker 3: bit different and they might need more support. I also 71 00:04:08,040 --> 00:04:10,320 Speaker 3: speak a lot about gender and sexuality and about how 72 00:04:10,320 --> 00:04:13,000 Speaker 3: the Navajo Nation does not support trans people, and I 73 00:04:13,040 --> 00:04:15,080 Speaker 3: try to explain to people that the reason for this 74 00:04:15,560 --> 00:04:18,600 Speaker 3: is not necessarily our fault, and there are reasons why 75 00:04:18,640 --> 00:04:21,200 Speaker 3: they don't support trans people, but that doesn't mean they 76 00:04:21,200 --> 00:04:25,560 Speaker 3: can't change and do better. Decolonization to me means celebrating, centering, 77 00:04:25,640 --> 00:04:29,000 Speaker 3: uplifting the dreams, desires, and demands of queer and trans 78 00:04:29,040 --> 00:04:31,960 Speaker 3: Indigenous people. And I say queer and trans Indigenous people 79 00:04:32,040 --> 00:04:35,800 Speaker 3: because those particular relatives of mine were targeted by colonialism 80 00:04:35,800 --> 00:04:37,799 Speaker 3: in a way that's different from those who were straight 81 00:04:37,880 --> 00:04:39,039 Speaker 3: or CIS Indigenous people. 82 00:04:39,440 --> 00:04:42,240 Speaker 2: And with that, Charlie often talks about the importance of 83 00:04:42,360 --> 00:04:46,520 Speaker 2: storytelling in order to decolonize. In an article they wrote 84 00:04:46,520 --> 00:04:50,359 Speaker 2: in Yes Magazine titled Digital Native Storytelling, they write, the 85 00:04:50,360 --> 00:04:53,839 Speaker 2: scale of social media's impact surprises me, especially considering that 86 00:04:53,880 --> 00:04:56,000 Speaker 2: it sits in the palm of my hand. It is 87 00:04:56,040 --> 00:04:59,120 Speaker 2: a thread connecting us to so many across the world. 88 00:04:59,520 --> 00:05:01,880 Speaker 2: Over the past last decade, there has been an expansion 89 00:05:01,880 --> 00:05:05,200 Speaker 2: and evolution of social media that has changed the lives 90 00:05:05,360 --> 00:05:09,040 Speaker 2: of people, both in how we build and maintain relationships 91 00:05:09,080 --> 00:05:12,240 Speaker 2: and how we share and produce knowledge. It has created 92 00:05:12,240 --> 00:05:15,640 Speaker 2: a culture all its own. One of the most significant 93 00:05:15,680 --> 00:05:19,360 Speaker 2: impacts I have experienced is how Indigenous people have embraced 94 00:05:19,400 --> 00:05:22,200 Speaker 2: the art of storytelling online. 95 00:05:21,760 --> 00:05:25,760 Speaker 3: Right and they continue. Storytelling is more than just recounting events. 96 00:05:25,880 --> 00:05:28,080 Speaker 3: There is an inherent art and skill to one of 97 00:05:28,080 --> 00:05:30,680 Speaker 3: the oldest and most widely practiced forms of communication and 98 00:05:30,720 --> 00:05:35,320 Speaker 3: cultural preservation in human history. Indigenous storytellers are inspired by 99 00:05:35,360 --> 00:05:38,720 Speaker 3: and pull from what I lovingly describe as the sentient archive, 100 00:05:39,080 --> 00:05:42,960 Speaker 3: a living, breathing repository of memories, lessons, and knowledge built 101 00:05:43,000 --> 00:05:46,560 Speaker 3: and shared from generation to generation. There is an inheritance 102 00:05:46,640 --> 00:05:49,800 Speaker 3: form through the kinship of sharing a story, imparting strength 103 00:05:49,960 --> 00:05:54,240 Speaker 3: beauty and wisdom that transcend temporal and spatial dimensions. Our 104 00:05:54,279 --> 00:05:57,320 Speaker 3: storytelling enables us to define who we were, who we are, 105 00:05:57,440 --> 00:06:01,120 Speaker 3: and who we will be as Indigenous peoples indigenous transfim. 106 00:06:01,200 --> 00:06:03,039 Speaker 3: Who I am, who I was, and who I will 107 00:06:03,080 --> 00:06:05,680 Speaker 3: be exists because of my family, my community, and the 108 00:06:05,680 --> 00:06:08,440 Speaker 3: people I choose to be in relationship with, as well 109 00:06:08,480 --> 00:06:11,520 Speaker 3: as what I learn, embrace, and refuse in this life. 110 00:06:11,839 --> 00:06:14,360 Speaker 3: My use of social media is informed and grounded by 111 00:06:14,400 --> 00:06:17,240 Speaker 3: denay ways of being and knowing which I have inherited 112 00:06:17,240 --> 00:06:21,719 Speaker 3: from and cultivated with my family and community. Through online platforms, 113 00:06:21,760 --> 00:06:23,920 Speaker 3: I have been able to reclaim what was long denied 114 00:06:23,920 --> 00:06:24,120 Speaker 3: to me. 115 00:06:24,360 --> 00:06:27,640 Speaker 1: My story. Social media enabled me to create new and 116 00:06:27,760 --> 00:06:31,000 Speaker 1: complex representations of what it means to be indigenous, along 117 00:06:31,040 --> 00:06:34,039 Speaker 1: with fresh forms of queerness and transness that exists in 118 00:06:34,080 --> 00:06:35,880 Speaker 1: alignment with my indigenouity. 119 00:06:36,240 --> 00:06:39,840 Speaker 2: And with that, they have continued their activism, all the 120 00:06:39,880 --> 00:06:42,560 Speaker 2: while sharing their joy and stories with so many and 121 00:06:42,640 --> 00:06:46,000 Speaker 2: in the series In the Know by Yahoo, Charlie talks 122 00:06:46,000 --> 00:06:49,279 Speaker 2: about not only being inspirational, but being inspired as well. 123 00:06:49,760 --> 00:06:52,599 Speaker 2: They say, one of the things that I'm most proud 124 00:06:52,640 --> 00:06:55,479 Speaker 2: of is being able to be a representation and a 125 00:06:55,560 --> 00:06:59,400 Speaker 2: presence than someone who inspires thousands of people every single day. 126 00:06:59,760 --> 00:07:01,960 Speaker 2: I think that what I'm hoping to change in the 127 00:07:01,960 --> 00:07:05,760 Speaker 2: world is how people see and understand indigenous peoples. For 128 00:07:05,800 --> 00:07:09,800 Speaker 2: so long we are seen as savages and uncivilized, but 129 00:07:09,880 --> 00:07:12,160 Speaker 2: being able to tell them, being able to show them 130 00:07:12,200 --> 00:07:14,760 Speaker 2: that we are so much more, and that we are 131 00:07:14,760 --> 00:07:17,600 Speaker 2: brilliant and that we're beautiful. I think there's a lot 132 00:07:17,840 --> 00:07:20,840 Speaker 2: of changing how they see us and how they understand us, 133 00:07:20,880 --> 00:07:24,680 Speaker 2: and how they witness us. The queer community inspires me 134 00:07:24,760 --> 00:07:27,040 Speaker 2: to have a little bit of fun every day. The 135 00:07:27,080 --> 00:07:30,000 Speaker 2: indigenous community reminds me of where I come from and 136 00:07:30,040 --> 00:07:33,440 Speaker 2: who I'm representing. And the trans community reminds me that 137 00:07:33,480 --> 00:07:36,360 Speaker 2: you decide who you want to be, not anyone else. 138 00:07:47,240 --> 00:07:49,520 Speaker 3: Uh Yeah, And to end, we wanted to read a 139 00:07:49,520 --> 00:07:52,600 Speaker 3: bit more from them. Here's some more from the Yes 140 00:07:52,720 --> 00:07:56,800 Speaker 3: magazine titled Beyond the Binary Retelling the DNAE Creation Story, 141 00:07:58,040 --> 00:08:01,400 Speaker 3: and it's just an excerpt path the creation Story where 142 00:08:01,440 --> 00:08:05,120 Speaker 3: they speak about themselves my entire life. I was taught 143 00:08:05,120 --> 00:08:07,680 Speaker 3: by my family and my community to value and celebrate 144 00:08:07,720 --> 00:08:10,400 Speaker 3: our language and culture. But what of the Dnay history 145 00:08:10,480 --> 00:08:12,720 Speaker 3: that is queer in trans The one I know existed 146 00:08:12,760 --> 00:08:15,160 Speaker 3: before it was silenced and erased. I read the translated 147 00:08:15,240 --> 00:08:18,280 Speaker 3: version of my stories and they feel so wrong. Although 148 00:08:18,320 --> 00:08:20,720 Speaker 3: I'm not fluid in my language, and my body remembers 149 00:08:20,760 --> 00:08:22,640 Speaker 3: in its own way. There is a rhythm that beats 150 00:08:22,680 --> 00:08:25,720 Speaker 3: across my homeland. It is soft, but it is there, 151 00:08:25,760 --> 00:08:28,160 Speaker 3: waiting for me to dance along. There is a humming 152 00:08:28,200 --> 00:08:30,600 Speaker 3: in the air and in synergy, waiting to be caressed. 153 00:08:30,960 --> 00:08:33,040 Speaker 3: And it starts with the retelling of these stories and 154 00:08:33,120 --> 00:08:36,600 Speaker 3: a celebration of my body, my trans feminine Dnay body. 155 00:08:37,000 --> 00:08:39,680 Speaker 3: Like first Woman and first man, I too, was made 156 00:08:39,679 --> 00:08:42,800 Speaker 3: from the ears of corn, mixed and mingled among its variations, 157 00:08:43,200 --> 00:08:45,480 Speaker 3: made and shaped by their hands in the divine. The 158 00:08:45,520 --> 00:08:47,800 Speaker 3: wind breathed life into me, as it did for my 159 00:08:47,880 --> 00:08:50,880 Speaker 3: mother and her mother and those who came before, and 160 00:08:50,960 --> 00:08:53,200 Speaker 3: as it will do for those after my body returns 161 00:08:53,240 --> 00:08:55,760 Speaker 3: to the earth. My choice was stolen from me, but 162 00:08:55,880 --> 00:08:58,960 Speaker 3: not anymore. I have spent years learning and unlearning what 163 00:08:59,000 --> 00:09:00,760 Speaker 3: it means to be Dnay and to be queer and 164 00:09:00,800 --> 00:09:03,360 Speaker 3: to be trans in this world, this world that denied 165 00:09:03,400 --> 00:09:06,280 Speaker 3: me first Woman's gift. Now I am reclaiming this gift. 166 00:09:06,720 --> 00:09:08,840 Speaker 3: I know who I am and with this knowledge, with 167 00:09:08,920 --> 00:09:12,199 Speaker 3: the ceremony of transformation, I am regaining my power of creation, 168 00:09:12,559 --> 00:09:15,840 Speaker 3: starting with myself and our stories, until finally there's a 169 00:09:15,880 --> 00:09:19,840 Speaker 3: world that celebrates people like me. So you can definitely 170 00:09:19,840 --> 00:09:23,760 Speaker 3: find more and more of their writing within Yes Magazine. 171 00:09:23,800 --> 00:09:25,319 Speaker 3: I know they are a part of that as well 172 00:09:25,360 --> 00:09:27,760 Speaker 3: as so much more as well of their own site, 173 00:09:27,960 --> 00:09:31,280 Speaker 3: dnae esthetics dot com, and you can find them under 174 00:09:31,320 --> 00:09:34,880 Speaker 3: that in social media. I believe I already follow them 175 00:09:35,120 --> 00:09:37,840 Speaker 3: in TikTok. I was like, this person, look is really familiar. 176 00:09:38,040 --> 00:09:42,800 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, so really beautiful poetry essentially in their writing 177 00:09:42,840 --> 00:09:45,640 Speaker 3: and what they're doing and the joy they're finding even 178 00:09:45,720 --> 00:09:52,439 Speaker 3: in times of oppression. 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