1 00:00:01,840 --> 00:00:06,160 Speaker 1: Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio, the George 2 00:00:06,200 --> 00:00:11,320 Speaker 1: Washington Broadcast Center. Jack Armstrong, Joe Getty, Armstrong and Jetty, 3 00:00:11,640 --> 00:00:25,400 Speaker 1: and now he Armstrong and Yetty. We live in a 4 00:00:25,440 --> 00:00:27,200 Speaker 1: world where cracker Barrel has booth. 5 00:00:27,400 --> 00:00:29,960 Speaker 2: This is not This is not an easy place to 6 00:00:30,000 --> 00:00:32,520 Speaker 2: be to raise our kids this way, so we're all 7 00:00:32,560 --> 00:00:33,400 Speaker 2: just gonna have to adjust. 8 00:00:33,479 --> 00:00:33,840 Speaker 1: I guess. 9 00:00:34,400 --> 00:00:36,279 Speaker 2: Welcome to the Armstrong and Getty Show. Joe is in 10 00:00:36,320 --> 00:00:38,600 Speaker 2: England enjoying his vacation. We'll probably talk to him a 11 00:00:38,640 --> 00:00:40,400 Speaker 2: little bit later and hear how things are going over 12 00:00:40,440 --> 00:00:40,800 Speaker 2: there where. 13 00:00:40,800 --> 00:00:41,960 Speaker 1: Welcome to the show. 14 00:00:42,000 --> 00:00:45,120 Speaker 2: Now old friend of the Armstrong and Getty Show and 15 00:00:45,200 --> 00:00:48,480 Speaker 2: a fan favorite. We always get so many texting emails saying, man, 16 00:00:48,520 --> 00:00:51,680 Speaker 2: I love Tim. It's Tim Sanderfer from the Goldwater Institute. 17 00:00:51,720 --> 00:00:56,000 Speaker 1: Tim, welcome, thanks for having me. Is there a title 18 00:00:56,080 --> 00:00:58,720 Speaker 1: you want a title? 19 00:01:00,120 --> 00:01:06,600 Speaker 3: Well, I know, as a Jeffersonian Democratic Republican, small government libertarian, 20 00:01:06,640 --> 00:01:09,720 Speaker 3: I'm against titles. But my official title is a vice 21 00:01:09,760 --> 00:01:12,800 Speaker 3: president for Legal Affairs at the Goldwater Institute, which is 22 00:01:13,600 --> 00:01:17,480 Speaker 3: a free market think tank and litigation organization headquartered in Phoenix, 23 00:01:18,000 --> 00:01:20,119 Speaker 3: and my job is to see the government for a living, 24 00:01:20,240 --> 00:01:21,160 Speaker 3: best job in the world. 25 00:01:21,280 --> 00:01:23,520 Speaker 1: Oh, thank god for you. 26 00:01:25,680 --> 00:01:28,759 Speaker 3: Speaking of And I win every time, right, you know. 27 00:01:30,160 --> 00:01:32,880 Speaker 1: But just well sometimes you do win. 28 00:01:33,040 --> 00:01:35,160 Speaker 2: And the fact that they know they can be sued 29 00:01:35,240 --> 00:01:37,480 Speaker 2: is probably got to keep them mining their p's and 30 00:01:37,560 --> 00:01:38,800 Speaker 2: ques at least a little bit. 31 00:01:38,880 --> 00:01:39,479 Speaker 1: Sometimes. 32 00:01:40,319 --> 00:01:43,160 Speaker 3: Yes, as long as the government still respects the law, 33 00:01:43,319 --> 00:01:46,880 Speaker 3: you know, hopefully there will be myself, my colleagues, and 34 00:01:47,120 --> 00:01:50,120 Speaker 3: you know, our sister organizations across the country who are 35 00:01:50,520 --> 00:01:52,640 Speaker 3: trying as best we can to hold the government's feet 36 00:01:52,680 --> 00:01:53,880 Speaker 3: to the constitutional fire. 37 00:01:55,320 --> 00:01:58,400 Speaker 2: I'm feeling a wide ranging conversation today for some reason 38 00:01:58,480 --> 00:02:00,920 Speaker 2: that is just my mood. So you started with mentioning titles. 39 00:02:01,440 --> 00:02:06,880 Speaker 2: Why do you think people refer to dictators by the 40 00:02:06,920 --> 00:02:09,360 Speaker 2: title that they want all the time? I'm amazed that 41 00:02:09,440 --> 00:02:13,760 Speaker 2: everybody in the media, including President Trump, calls putin president putin, 42 00:02:13,919 --> 00:02:16,400 Speaker 2: I mean, and Bobama did two and Biden did too. 43 00:02:16,440 --> 00:02:20,160 Speaker 2: So it's not just Trump, but why they're not president, 44 00:02:20,240 --> 00:02:22,160 Speaker 2: they're a dictator, So why do we go along with 45 00:02:22,200 --> 00:02:22,800 Speaker 2: their language? 46 00:02:22,840 --> 00:02:23,440 Speaker 1: We do the same thing. 47 00:02:23,560 --> 00:02:25,920 Speaker 3: President agree. This has bothered me for years. This has 48 00:02:25,919 --> 00:02:28,800 Speaker 3: bugged me so long that but you know, it's because 49 00:02:28,800 --> 00:02:30,720 Speaker 3: we don't want to be judgmental. We don't want to 50 00:02:30,760 --> 00:02:32,639 Speaker 3: we don't want to call things by their right names 51 00:02:32,720 --> 00:02:35,919 Speaker 3: and say Dictator Putin because that might defend him. So 52 00:02:35,960 --> 00:02:39,880 Speaker 3: instead we give him the kind of false legitimacy that 53 00:02:40,160 --> 00:02:42,880 Speaker 3: is exactly what he craves. I think it's a terrible thing, 54 00:02:42,960 --> 00:02:44,760 Speaker 3: but it's in that way all my life. 55 00:02:44,919 --> 00:02:48,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that's weird that the the the Free West 56 00:02:48,240 --> 00:02:48,680 Speaker 2: does that. 57 00:02:49,040 --> 00:02:50,919 Speaker 1: You want us to call you by a certain name. Oh, 58 00:02:50,960 --> 00:02:51,359 Speaker 1: sure we. 59 00:02:51,320 --> 00:02:54,160 Speaker 2: Will, Okay, I guess that's what we did. Another question 60 00:02:54,200 --> 00:02:55,920 Speaker 2: for you, So I was just reading. I know you 61 00:02:55,960 --> 00:02:59,760 Speaker 2: know a lot about Waimo the uh the robotoxes. You 62 00:02:59,760 --> 00:03:02,359 Speaker 2: act actually visited their plant. They make them in Phoenix. 63 00:03:03,240 --> 00:03:05,000 Speaker 3: They well I don't think they make them in Phoenix, 64 00:03:05,040 --> 00:03:07,360 Speaker 3: but they have a headquarters in Phoenix. Phoenix is one 65 00:03:07,400 --> 00:03:09,760 Speaker 3: of their largest cities that they are operating in, and 66 00:03:09,760 --> 00:03:12,320 Speaker 3: they have a garage there which is where all the cars. 67 00:03:12,320 --> 00:03:14,080 Speaker 3: You know, they're all electric cars, so that's where they 68 00:03:14,160 --> 00:03:17,000 Speaker 3: go to recharge. And my wife and I got a 69 00:03:17,120 --> 00:03:18,840 Speaker 3: chance to go down there and take a tour of 70 00:03:18,880 --> 00:03:21,720 Speaker 3: their facility and ride for our first time in a 71 00:03:21,760 --> 00:03:24,320 Speaker 3: way mo And since then, I've I've I take every 72 00:03:24,320 --> 00:03:26,360 Speaker 3: excuse I can to ride in them, because I just 73 00:03:26,560 --> 00:03:29,640 Speaker 3: there's the technology is just mind bogging, and I just 74 00:03:29,720 --> 00:03:33,000 Speaker 3: loved standing there in the garage watching these cars come 75 00:03:33,040 --> 00:03:36,360 Speaker 3: in and look for parking spaces, and they looked exactly 76 00:03:36,680 --> 00:03:39,520 Speaker 3: like a human was driving them, you know, pausing and 77 00:03:39,560 --> 00:03:41,560 Speaker 3: backing up because oh there's a spot, and that sort 78 00:03:41,600 --> 00:03:44,720 Speaker 3: of thing, exactly like me at the airport, and yet 79 00:03:44,760 --> 00:03:47,240 Speaker 3: there's nobody driving them. And I had thought that it 80 00:03:47,280 --> 00:03:50,080 Speaker 3: would feel weird to ride in one, and that went 81 00:03:50,120 --> 00:03:53,520 Speaker 3: away in five seconds. After that, it felt exactly like 82 00:03:53,640 --> 00:03:55,880 Speaker 3: riding in a car with somebody driving it, except there 83 00:03:55,960 --> 00:03:59,480 Speaker 3: was nobody in the driving seat. Interesting, absolutely marvelous technology. 84 00:03:59,520 --> 00:04:01,840 Speaker 2: I wonder about that because I've got a self driving Tesla, 85 00:04:01,960 --> 00:04:04,520 Speaker 2: so I'm used to the concept now. I wondered what 86 00:04:04,520 --> 00:04:06,200 Speaker 2: it was like for people who haven't done that before. 87 00:04:06,240 --> 00:04:08,200 Speaker 2: But that's why I was when I wrote a weymo 88 00:04:08,320 --> 00:04:10,960 Speaker 2: for the first time in San Francisco. Within a couple 89 00:04:11,000 --> 00:04:12,680 Speaker 2: of seconds, it was oh cool, I get to control 90 00:04:12,720 --> 00:04:14,920 Speaker 2: the music, and I was looking at the little computer 91 00:04:14,960 --> 00:04:16,000 Speaker 2: in front of me and picking my mind. 92 00:04:16,440 --> 00:04:19,040 Speaker 3: I haven't been this enthusiastic about a piece of technology 93 00:04:19,040 --> 00:04:22,240 Speaker 3: in a very long time. They have already just statistically speaking, 94 00:04:22,279 --> 00:04:25,920 Speaker 3: they have already saved tens of thousands of lives, probably 95 00:04:26,200 --> 00:04:27,880 Speaker 3: in the amount of in just the amount of time 96 00:04:28,080 --> 00:04:30,320 Speaker 3: they've already been operating in these cities. They're going to 97 00:04:30,360 --> 00:04:35,760 Speaker 3: make driving as safe as flying. It's incredible. I'm blown 98 00:04:35,800 --> 00:04:39,599 Speaker 3: away by how safe and natural it feels to ride 99 00:04:39,600 --> 00:04:42,600 Speaker 3: in these and you know, it's particularly good for the blind. 100 00:04:42,760 --> 00:04:47,560 Speaker 3: You know, blind people particular love this technology because they 101 00:04:47,839 --> 00:04:49,320 Speaker 3: can they don't have to get in the car with 102 00:04:49,440 --> 00:04:51,760 Speaker 3: somebody they don't know, like they do with Uber. And 103 00:04:51,800 --> 00:04:54,240 Speaker 3: they can take their dogs, which you sometimes can't do 104 00:04:54,320 --> 00:04:57,320 Speaker 3: in an Uber. And when you call, you summon your 105 00:04:58,040 --> 00:05:01,159 Speaker 3: robot car, it arrives and it plays a tune so 106 00:05:01,240 --> 00:05:03,080 Speaker 3: you know where it is, you know, and these sorts 107 00:05:03,080 --> 00:05:05,480 Speaker 3: of techno. It's just a marvelous how it's opened up 108 00:05:05,480 --> 00:05:08,400 Speaker 3: the door for people who otherwise wouldn't have had those opportunities. 109 00:05:08,640 --> 00:05:08,839 Speaker 1: Yeah. 110 00:05:08,880 --> 00:05:12,080 Speaker 2: I like the technology and everything. This is where we're 111 00:05:12,080 --> 00:05:16,080 Speaker 2: probably going to part. I hate the idea that the 112 00:05:16,120 --> 00:05:19,040 Speaker 2: autonomy of getting to drive where I want to go 113 00:05:19,080 --> 00:05:21,480 Speaker 2: and having control over it is going to go away. 114 00:05:21,240 --> 00:05:23,400 Speaker 1: Whether I like it or not. I hate that so much. 115 00:05:23,600 --> 00:05:24,920 Speaker 1: It makes me want to cry. 116 00:05:25,880 --> 00:05:28,240 Speaker 3: I do worry about that. No, I worry about that, 117 00:05:28,279 --> 00:05:31,760 Speaker 3: and I worry about the how easy it would be 118 00:05:31,800 --> 00:05:33,560 Speaker 3: for the government to say, well, we want to track 119 00:05:33,600 --> 00:05:36,919 Speaker 3: where everybody drives, and you know, we'll run their record 120 00:05:36,920 --> 00:05:38,320 Speaker 3: while they're in the car, and then if we think 121 00:05:38,320 --> 00:05:40,000 Speaker 3: that they need to be arrested, we'll just reroute the 122 00:05:40,040 --> 00:05:41,760 Speaker 3: car to the police station or something like that. You 123 00:05:42,160 --> 00:05:45,479 Speaker 3: can easily imagine the dystopian ends to which this can 124 00:05:45,560 --> 00:05:49,920 Speaker 3: be used, but all technology can be abused in that way, 125 00:05:50,000 --> 00:05:53,760 Speaker 3: and there is no abolishing the technologies of the solution. 126 00:05:53,880 --> 00:05:57,279 Speaker 3: The solution is good philosophical and political ideas and a 127 00:05:57,320 --> 00:06:01,159 Speaker 3: belief in individual rights and limited government. And since we've 128 00:06:01,520 --> 00:06:04,520 Speaker 3: thrown that on the bonfire in the past decade or so, 129 00:06:04,839 --> 00:06:08,159 Speaker 3: I mean, this is basically, honestly, this is the least 130 00:06:08,160 --> 00:06:09,479 Speaker 3: of our concerns in that respect. 131 00:06:09,839 --> 00:06:12,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, but I think about when I was Now, it's 132 00:06:13,000 --> 00:06:13,960 Speaker 1: not that many years ago. 133 00:06:14,000 --> 00:06:16,279 Speaker 2: I'm an old man. I'm in the winter of my life, 134 00:06:16,560 --> 00:06:19,159 Speaker 2: but it wasn't that many decades ago. Took a day 135 00:06:19,200 --> 00:06:23,719 Speaker 2: over eighty, But I've driven all over this country. 136 00:06:23,760 --> 00:06:25,360 Speaker 1: I long I love long road trips. 137 00:06:25,400 --> 00:06:27,719 Speaker 2: But I used to head out on road trips, and 138 00:06:27,760 --> 00:06:29,719 Speaker 2: you know, I'd stop at a hotel. I stay in 139 00:06:29,760 --> 00:06:32,600 Speaker 2: cheap hotels. They'd have the key hanging on a peg 140 00:06:32,640 --> 00:06:35,719 Speaker 2: behind the door. Nobody knew I was there. Nobody knew 141 00:06:35,760 --> 00:06:36,160 Speaker 2: I was. 142 00:06:36,120 --> 00:06:37,239 Speaker 1: There after I left. 143 00:06:38,279 --> 00:06:41,120 Speaker 2: Now I've got a self driving car that keeps track 144 00:06:41,200 --> 00:06:43,919 Speaker 2: of every mile I drive, everywhere I go, I parked, 145 00:06:44,000 --> 00:06:47,240 Speaker 2: there's license plate readers going through every parking lot checking 146 00:06:47,400 --> 00:06:50,120 Speaker 2: where I was, and they've got all the information at 147 00:06:50,120 --> 00:06:53,400 Speaker 2: the hotel. I mean, my entire trip is tracked. So 148 00:06:53,480 --> 00:06:55,679 Speaker 2: in my lifetime it's gone from I could have traveled 149 00:06:55,720 --> 00:06:59,839 Speaker 2: across the country completely without a single human being knowing 150 00:06:59,839 --> 00:07:03,960 Speaker 2: where I was, to now thousands of people and maybe 151 00:07:04,000 --> 00:07:05,320 Speaker 2: all governments knowing where I am. 152 00:07:05,400 --> 00:07:06,200 Speaker 1: I find that trouble. 153 00:07:06,279 --> 00:07:10,680 Speaker 3: I totally sympathize. I think this is I would say 154 00:07:10,680 --> 00:07:14,320 Speaker 3: this is there's something very American about this tension between 155 00:07:14,360 --> 00:07:16,920 Speaker 3: on one hand, wanting the convenience that modern technology gives 156 00:07:16,920 --> 00:07:19,040 Speaker 3: you and modern civilization gives you, but on the other hand, 157 00:07:19,400 --> 00:07:21,880 Speaker 3: the want the desire to light out for the territory 158 00:07:22,440 --> 00:07:25,960 Speaker 3: and and just be away and and keep something you 159 00:07:26,040 --> 00:07:29,400 Speaker 3: might say wild alive in your spirit is a very 160 00:07:29,400 --> 00:07:32,600 Speaker 3: important part of life and so I totally get that. 161 00:07:32,720 --> 00:07:34,800 Speaker 3: My wife and I love to go on long drives 162 00:07:34,800 --> 00:07:37,920 Speaker 3: and get away from things also, and so I. But 163 00:07:38,200 --> 00:07:41,040 Speaker 3: on the other hand, with this option available for those 164 00:07:41,080 --> 00:07:43,520 Speaker 3: who are willing to sacrifice a little bit of their 165 00:07:43,520 --> 00:07:46,000 Speaker 3: privacy in exchange for the enormous convenience of it, the 166 00:07:46,040 --> 00:07:48,320 Speaker 3: answer is that that both options should be available, and 167 00:07:48,320 --> 00:07:51,680 Speaker 3: both options would be available in a society that respected 168 00:07:51,720 --> 00:07:56,640 Speaker 3: individual rights. Unfortunately, our society respects that so much less 169 00:07:56,680 --> 00:07:59,440 Speaker 3: nowadays that I do very much worry about a future 170 00:07:59,480 --> 00:08:03,840 Speaker 3: where truly, you know, individual cars allowing you to drive 171 00:08:03,840 --> 00:08:07,000 Speaker 3: wherever you want are outlawed. I can imagine that, Oh, insurance. 172 00:08:06,680 --> 00:08:09,040 Speaker 2: Companies will take Yeah, the insurance companies will take care 173 00:08:09,080 --> 00:08:12,440 Speaker 2: of that, because as soon as this just the stats 174 00:08:12,440 --> 00:08:16,640 Speaker 2: are so overwhelmingly true that it's less likely you're going 175 00:08:16,680 --> 00:08:19,040 Speaker 2: to get our wreck with an automated car than without one. 176 00:08:19,080 --> 00:08:21,000 Speaker 2: The insurance company is going to make it so expensive 177 00:08:21,000 --> 00:08:22,320 Speaker 2: you can't afford to drive a car. 178 00:08:22,200 --> 00:08:22,640 Speaker 1: On your own. 179 00:08:23,440 --> 00:08:26,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, I can imagine that. It's sort of a gatica 180 00:08:26,160 --> 00:08:26,960 Speaker 3: kind of a situation. 181 00:08:27,480 --> 00:08:28,400 Speaker 1: I don't know that term. 182 00:08:29,000 --> 00:08:31,240 Speaker 3: Oh Gatka is a great movie from the nineties to 183 00:08:31,320 --> 00:08:34,160 Speaker 3: about a dystopian future where it's just run along these 184 00:08:34,200 --> 00:08:37,160 Speaker 3: lines where your entire genetic code is sort of sequenced 185 00:08:37,160 --> 00:08:39,840 Speaker 3: ahead of time, and so people know whether you're likely 186 00:08:39,880 --> 00:08:42,120 Speaker 3: to develop a health condition in the future and limit 187 00:08:42,160 --> 00:08:46,120 Speaker 3: your opportunities accordingly, not necessarily through government control, but through 188 00:08:46,679 --> 00:08:50,760 Speaker 3: a sick blend of government and private companies that exercise 189 00:08:50,800 --> 00:08:53,120 Speaker 3: their power to deprive you of opportunities. Ah, if you 190 00:08:53,120 --> 00:08:54,120 Speaker 3: haven't seen the movie, you should. 191 00:08:54,120 --> 00:08:54,520 Speaker 1: It's great. 192 00:08:54,760 --> 00:08:57,080 Speaker 2: One more away, Moll comment, and then I promise after 193 00:08:57,080 --> 00:08:58,640 Speaker 2: the break we'll let you talk about some of your 194 00:08:58,880 --> 00:09:02,520 Speaker 2: wins suing the government, which are important. I saw the 195 00:09:02,600 --> 00:09:04,920 Speaker 2: former may so they're want to get WEIMO in New 196 00:09:05,000 --> 00:09:07,920 Speaker 2: York City. That'd be a huge win for WEIMO obviously. 197 00:09:08,240 --> 00:09:10,000 Speaker 1: Yeah. 198 00:09:10,080 --> 00:09:12,760 Speaker 2: I saw the former mayor build A Blasio come out 199 00:09:12,800 --> 00:09:15,560 Speaker 2: and say, yesterday, WEIMO New York is not a town 200 00:09:15,600 --> 00:09:16,000 Speaker 2: for WEIMO. 201 00:09:16,120 --> 00:09:16,880 Speaker 1: We should not have them. 202 00:09:17,320 --> 00:09:19,720 Speaker 2: And uh, and I wonder if is that just to 203 00:09:19,720 --> 00:09:22,400 Speaker 2: protect all the jobs of Is that what that is? 204 00:09:23,200 --> 00:09:23,360 Speaker 1: Oh? 205 00:09:23,440 --> 00:09:25,960 Speaker 3: Yes, it's it's They were exactly the same way about 206 00:09:26,040 --> 00:09:27,840 Speaker 3: Uber back in the day, if you remember they were, 207 00:09:28,080 --> 00:09:31,600 Speaker 3: they were very resistant to Uber because the tax theyre 208 00:09:31,679 --> 00:09:34,719 Speaker 3: the taxi drivers, you know, unions and things like that. 209 00:09:34,720 --> 00:09:37,440 Speaker 3: They don't want the competition, and so it's the convenience 210 00:09:37,480 --> 00:09:40,080 Speaker 3: thing to do is use the government to exclude legitimate 211 00:09:40,080 --> 00:09:43,360 Speaker 3: competition order to raise your prizes and screw the consumer. 212 00:09:43,440 --> 00:09:47,400 Speaker 3: And that's been the recipe for centuries. And unfortunately Wemo 213 00:09:47,679 --> 00:09:51,880 Speaker 3: and other companies you know, face that that opposition, and 214 00:09:52,080 --> 00:09:54,839 Speaker 3: it's really just an attempt by people who don't want 215 00:09:54,840 --> 00:09:58,320 Speaker 3: to compete fairly to use the government to block legitimate 216 00:09:58,320 --> 00:10:01,880 Speaker 3: competitions so that they can raise their prices at your expense. 217 00:10:02,040 --> 00:10:06,120 Speaker 3: It's a violation of individual liberty and it's economically foolish. 218 00:10:06,160 --> 00:10:09,079 Speaker 3: But New York has been that way first centuries. 219 00:10:09,679 --> 00:10:13,000 Speaker 2: Technology comes along eliminates another a lot of jobs, but 220 00:10:13,400 --> 00:10:16,640 Speaker 2: throughout history it's also created other different jobs. However, right, 221 00:10:17,120 --> 00:10:20,160 Speaker 2: I don't think that's going to continue with AI, do you? 222 00:10:20,480 --> 00:10:22,560 Speaker 3: Oh, I have no doubt that it will continue. Really, 223 00:10:22,559 --> 00:10:25,839 Speaker 3: every time every time that technology has come along and oh, 224 00:10:25,960 --> 00:10:29,800 Speaker 3: they're taken our jobs, every time that happens, it turns 225 00:10:29,800 --> 00:10:32,800 Speaker 3: out that it actually develops more jobs, not just you know, 226 00:10:32,800 --> 00:10:35,360 Speaker 3: people think, well, yeah, but these people become programmers. No, 227 00:10:35,480 --> 00:10:38,680 Speaker 3: it's not that. It's that new technology opens up new 228 00:10:38,720 --> 00:10:42,800 Speaker 3: opportunities for economic growth that people could never have foreseen 229 00:10:42,920 --> 00:10:46,480 Speaker 3: in the years before. Then, you know the cell phone. 230 00:10:46,600 --> 00:10:49,320 Speaker 3: When I remember when I got my first iPhone years ago, 231 00:10:49,840 --> 00:10:53,360 Speaker 3: nobody could ever have imagined something like Uber Eats or 232 00:10:53,440 --> 00:10:56,680 Speaker 3: door Dash at that time. And now look at how 233 00:10:56,720 --> 00:11:00,559 Speaker 3: many people earn money working for those companies thanks to 234 00:11:00,640 --> 00:11:04,880 Speaker 3: smartphone technology. These new technologies open up vistas that nobody 235 00:11:04,880 --> 00:11:07,640 Speaker 3: could possibly have imagined, and people take advantage of that 236 00:11:07,720 --> 00:11:11,640 Speaker 3: and the economy grows. It's almost like creating something out 237 00:11:11,679 --> 00:11:14,760 Speaker 3: of literally nothing. It's it's amazing to see. So there's 238 00:11:14,840 --> 00:11:17,800 Speaker 3: I have no doubt that self driving technology will in 239 00:11:17,840 --> 00:11:21,960 Speaker 3: the long run increase employment opportunities and more importantly, increase wealth. 240 00:11:22,559 --> 00:11:25,240 Speaker 3: And if it's allowed to flourish, if the government doesn't 241 00:11:25,280 --> 00:11:28,239 Speaker 3: get in the way and create roadblocks. 242 00:11:27,840 --> 00:11:30,600 Speaker 2: I really really want you to be right about that 243 00:11:30,679 --> 00:11:32,600 Speaker 2: with aiser. 244 00:11:32,960 --> 00:11:36,400 Speaker 3: Well, historically speaking, I've been right about that in every 245 00:11:36,520 --> 00:11:38,679 Speaker 3: single time that a new technology has come about. With 246 00:11:39,000 --> 00:11:42,120 Speaker 3: the buggy whip makers, I'm sure they complained when the 247 00:11:42,120 --> 00:11:45,360 Speaker 3: automobile came along and nobody was hiring buying buggy whips anymore, 248 00:11:45,400 --> 00:11:46,920 Speaker 3: and they were saying, oh, our jobs are going to 249 00:11:47,000 --> 00:11:50,160 Speaker 3: go for overseas. We need to outlaw cars so that 250 00:11:50,200 --> 00:11:53,120 Speaker 3: the union, the buggy whip union, can can flourish. And 251 00:11:53,800 --> 00:11:55,880 Speaker 3: what about the workers, et cetera, et cetera. And here 252 00:11:55,960 --> 00:11:58,440 Speaker 3: we are living in a society where hardly anybody buys 253 00:11:58,480 --> 00:12:01,679 Speaker 3: buggy whips, and we have more employment and more opportunity, 254 00:12:01,720 --> 00:12:04,640 Speaker 3: and more wealth and more technologies than they did back then. 255 00:12:04,760 --> 00:12:07,760 Speaker 3: So I have no doubt that I'm right about this. 256 00:12:07,880 --> 00:12:09,960 Speaker 1: Oh God, I hope you are. Tim Sanderfer. 257 00:12:10,000 --> 00:12:11,679 Speaker 2: When we come back, he's going to talk about some 258 00:12:11,720 --> 00:12:13,079 Speaker 2: of his wins with the government and some of the 259 00:12:13,120 --> 00:12:15,040 Speaker 2: good stuff that's happened. There's a good homeless case that 260 00:12:15,080 --> 00:12:17,080 Speaker 2: you should know about. Actually that one went the wrong direction, 261 00:12:17,480 --> 00:12:20,040 Speaker 2: but we'll hear about that when we come back. 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That's the code Armstrong and prize picks to 282 00:13:09,040 --> 00:13:11,760 Speaker 2: get fifty dollars instantly in lineups. And you play five 283 00:13:12,320 --> 00:13:14,440 Speaker 2: win or lose, you get fifty bucks in lineups just 284 00:13:14,440 --> 00:13:16,040 Speaker 2: for playing guaranteed prize picks. 285 00:13:16,320 --> 00:13:19,480 Speaker 1: Run your game more with Tim Sanderfer Right after this. 286 00:13:20,880 --> 00:13:25,840 Speaker 2: Armstrong, we're talking with fan favorite Tim Sandfer. 287 00:13:25,960 --> 00:13:27,040 Speaker 1: We used to call him Tim the Lawyer. 288 00:13:27,120 --> 00:13:28,520 Speaker 2: Ran into a friend of yours the other day at 289 00:13:28,600 --> 00:13:30,800 Speaker 2: my local church who said he worked with you way 290 00:13:30,840 --> 00:13:34,959 Speaker 2: back at PLF Pacific Legal Foundation. About how interesting that 291 00:13:35,040 --> 00:13:37,440 Speaker 2: you guys work together. He's the minister of my local church. 292 00:13:37,480 --> 00:13:40,400 Speaker 2: You're the most hardcore atheist I've ever met. And you people, 293 00:13:40,520 --> 00:13:41,160 Speaker 2: yeah got along. 294 00:13:41,520 --> 00:13:44,880 Speaker 3: I know who you must be talking about, and that 295 00:13:45,160 --> 00:13:47,560 Speaker 3: those are good times. He taught me a lot about law. Actually, 296 00:13:47,720 --> 00:13:51,120 Speaker 3: we were both young lawyers together working together. I miss 297 00:13:51,160 --> 00:13:51,800 Speaker 3: those days. 298 00:13:51,840 --> 00:13:52,120 Speaker 1: Cool. 299 00:13:53,160 --> 00:13:55,520 Speaker 2: So I got an inkling of some of the things 300 00:13:55,520 --> 00:13:57,600 Speaker 2: you want to talk about. How about this moving company 301 00:13:57,679 --> 00:13:59,319 Speaker 2: in California? Tell me about this one? 302 00:14:00,040 --> 00:14:02,240 Speaker 3: Oh my goodness. So we've filed the lawsuit against the 303 00:14:02,320 --> 00:14:06,040 Speaker 3: Equal Employment Opportunity Commission, the federal agency that's in charge 304 00:14:06,040 --> 00:14:09,319 Speaker 3: of discrimination cases, because they won't even. 305 00:14:09,200 --> 00:14:10,800 Speaker 1: Tell us why. 306 00:14:11,160 --> 00:14:15,360 Speaker 3: They filed a fifteen million dollars fine against a moving 307 00:14:15,360 --> 00:14:19,520 Speaker 3: company in California called Meathead Movers, which is one of 308 00:14:19,520 --> 00:14:22,960 Speaker 3: the largest I think it's the largest moving company in California, 309 00:14:23,160 --> 00:14:26,360 Speaker 3: the largest independently owned moving company in California, employees three 310 00:14:26,440 --> 00:14:30,200 Speaker 3: hundred people. And the EEOC claims that they've been engaging 311 00:14:30,240 --> 00:14:33,840 Speaker 3: in age discrimination in hiring. Now, let's pause for a 312 00:14:33,840 --> 00:14:36,000 Speaker 3: moment to think about that. They say they're that this 313 00:14:36,320 --> 00:14:41,400 Speaker 3: moving company is hiring employees who are too young, that 314 00:14:41,440 --> 00:14:45,160 Speaker 3: they're not hiring old people as employees. Now, that's not true. 315 00:14:45,160 --> 00:14:48,960 Speaker 3: They've never discriminated against people in hiring based on age. 316 00:14:49,280 --> 00:14:51,600 Speaker 3: But is it really all that surprising that a moving 317 00:14:51,640 --> 00:14:55,360 Speaker 3: companies employees tend to be big, hefty, strong young men 318 00:14:55,840 --> 00:15:00,040 Speaker 3: just on average? Is that really that unreasonable? So the 319 00:15:00,080 --> 00:15:03,440 Speaker 3: EOC filed this, this fifteen million dollar fine against them, 320 00:15:03,440 --> 00:15:05,560 Speaker 3: and we said, well, we'd like to know if anybody 321 00:15:05,560 --> 00:15:09,240 Speaker 3: ever actually complained about discrimination. Did you receive any actual 322 00:15:09,280 --> 00:15:12,600 Speaker 3: complaints from anybody in the private market about this or 323 00:15:12,640 --> 00:15:14,840 Speaker 3: did you just do this on your own because you 324 00:15:14,840 --> 00:15:19,280 Speaker 3: were looking around for somebody to screw And the EOC 325 00:15:19,400 --> 00:15:21,600 Speaker 3: won't tell us, They won't tell us, they won't give 326 00:15:21,640 --> 00:15:23,400 Speaker 3: us the information, so we've had to sue them for 327 00:15:23,840 --> 00:15:24,480 Speaker 3: these documents. 328 00:15:24,520 --> 00:15:28,640 Speaker 2: Well back in just a second, though, So if I've 329 00:15:28,640 --> 00:15:30,800 Speaker 2: always been confused about what the law is on this, 330 00:15:31,120 --> 00:15:33,800 Speaker 2: So if I am, I'm actually in pretty good shape 331 00:15:33,840 --> 00:15:34,160 Speaker 2: right now. 332 00:15:34,160 --> 00:15:35,280 Speaker 1: But say I'm not in good shape. 333 00:15:35,280 --> 00:15:37,440 Speaker 2: I'm a sixty year old man and I go apply 334 00:15:37,520 --> 00:15:39,400 Speaker 2: for that job they and they turned me down for 335 00:15:39,440 --> 00:15:41,160 Speaker 2: a twenty five year old man. Do I have a 336 00:15:41,200 --> 00:15:44,240 Speaker 2: case because they discriminated against me based on my age? 337 00:15:44,920 --> 00:15:47,040 Speaker 3: Well, you know when you used the question do I 338 00:15:47,160 --> 00:15:49,280 Speaker 3: have a case? You have to remember that there's two 339 00:15:49,280 --> 00:15:51,080 Speaker 3: ways of answering that the one is do you have 340 00:15:51,120 --> 00:15:55,120 Speaker 3: a meritorious right? And the other one is can you sue? 341 00:15:55,160 --> 00:15:57,000 Speaker 3: And you can sue even if you don't have a 342 00:15:57,040 --> 00:15:59,160 Speaker 3: meritorious case. And when you sue, you know, then the 343 00:15:59,200 --> 00:16:01,000 Speaker 3: other side has to high lawyers, and it takes a 344 00:16:01,040 --> 00:16:02,920 Speaker 3: long time, it costs a lot of money. Just the 345 00:16:02,960 --> 00:16:04,880 Speaker 3: fact that you can soon to begin with is a 346 00:16:04,920 --> 00:16:08,360 Speaker 3: big detriment to a lot of businesses. Now, the answer 347 00:16:08,400 --> 00:16:10,880 Speaker 3: to your question is that, of course the company can 348 00:16:11,360 --> 00:16:14,840 Speaker 3: choose people based on physical strength and stuff and that, 349 00:16:14,960 --> 00:16:18,000 Speaker 3: but they can't discriminate based on age. But where do 350 00:16:18,040 --> 00:16:20,040 Speaker 3: you you know, in a particular circumstance, where do you 351 00:16:20,080 --> 00:16:22,520 Speaker 3: draw the line? That, unfortunately is for the judges to 352 00:16:22,560 --> 00:16:24,920 Speaker 3: figure out after you spend all this money for lawyers. 353 00:16:25,200 --> 00:16:28,480 Speaker 2: But obviously, a world where moving companies have to hire 354 00:16:29,320 --> 00:16:32,520 Speaker 2: sixty five year old men at the same rate that 355 00:16:32,560 --> 00:16:34,880 Speaker 2: they hire twenty two year old men would be insane. 356 00:16:35,800 --> 00:16:39,440 Speaker 3: Yep, this wells as the saying has. This is the 357 00:16:39,480 --> 00:16:42,520 Speaker 3: world that the left wants, right, They want a world 358 00:16:42,640 --> 00:16:46,440 Speaker 3: in which moving companies are forced to hire grandma instead 359 00:16:46,560 --> 00:16:51,040 Speaker 3: of just the weightlifter, because that's more equitable. 360 00:16:52,240 --> 00:16:55,560 Speaker 2: Oh, that's hilarious. That is a good one. Well, thank 361 00:16:55,600 --> 00:16:57,520 Speaker 2: god you're fighting the good fight. I know we've got 362 00:16:57,520 --> 00:17:00,320 Speaker 2: a bad news story about a homeless ruling in you, Utah. 363 00:17:00,360 --> 00:17:02,160 Speaker 1: We're going to get to coming up in just a 364 00:17:02,160 --> 00:17:06,520 Speaker 1: few minutes. Yeah, I'm well concerned about Yeah. 365 00:17:06,520 --> 00:17:09,280 Speaker 3: So, unfortunately, the Utah Supreme Court issued a bad decision 366 00:17:09,320 --> 00:17:11,879 Speaker 3: in a case, one of these cases about homeless encampments. 367 00:17:11,920 --> 00:17:14,560 Speaker 3: Now we have a solution, but it's going to take 368 00:17:14,560 --> 00:17:17,080 Speaker 3: a while to get that done, so I'll tell you 369 00:17:17,119 --> 00:17:18,080 Speaker 3: about that after the break. 370 00:17:18,520 --> 00:17:18,840 Speaker 1: Cool. 371 00:17:20,840 --> 00:17:23,359 Speaker 2: How many like, how much time do you spend every day? 372 00:17:23,440 --> 00:17:27,680 Speaker 2: You know, writing, pouring over books, doing lawyer stuff all 373 00:17:27,760 --> 00:17:31,160 Speaker 2: the time, all the time. It's the dream job. It's 374 00:17:31,160 --> 00:17:31,720 Speaker 2: my dream job. 375 00:17:31,800 --> 00:17:33,600 Speaker 3: I go to work and I sit at my desk 376 00:17:33,720 --> 00:17:37,359 Speaker 3: surrounded by books written by you know, Thomas Jefferson and 377 00:17:37,480 --> 00:17:40,119 Speaker 3: Sir Edward Cook and write about it. And then I 378 00:17:40,200 --> 00:17:42,680 Speaker 3: go home and I'm surrounded by books here. 379 00:17:42,800 --> 00:17:43,239 Speaker 1: I love it. 380 00:17:43,240 --> 00:17:46,480 Speaker 3: It's great. A world of ideas about freedom and making 381 00:17:46,480 --> 00:17:50,120 Speaker 3: them real in people's actual lives is what the Goldwater 382 00:17:50,160 --> 00:17:52,160 Speaker 3: Institute is all about. And that's why it's the best 383 00:17:52,240 --> 00:17:52,840 Speaker 3: job in the world. 384 00:17:53,040 --> 00:17:54,919 Speaker 2: That's fantastic. If you have a job like that, like 385 00:17:54,960 --> 00:17:56,880 Speaker 2: I do. People ask how much time he's write all 386 00:17:56,880 --> 00:17:58,159 Speaker 2: my time? But I would do it even. 387 00:17:58,040 --> 00:17:58,840 Speaker 1: If I wasn't doing this. 388 00:17:58,960 --> 00:18:01,840 Speaker 2: I just I like following the news and reading everybody's opinions, 389 00:18:01,840 --> 00:18:04,080 Speaker 2: so it's easy. But anyway, we'll tell you about this 390 00:18:04,080 --> 00:18:06,680 Speaker 2: homeless ruling that went the wrong way. We didn't need that, 391 00:18:06,840 --> 00:18:08,840 Speaker 2: did We coming up with Tim Lawyer in just a 392 00:18:08,840 --> 00:18:10,840 Speaker 2: little bit if you miss a segment or an hour 393 00:18:11,119 --> 00:18:12,520 Speaker 2: the podcast Armstrong and Getty on. 394 00:18:12,520 --> 00:18:17,040 Speaker 1: Demand Armstrong and Getty. 395 00:18:18,760 --> 00:18:21,480 Speaker 2: So we're talking about Tim the Lawyer, fan favorite Tim 396 00:18:21,520 --> 00:18:25,680 Speaker 2: Sanderfruit the Goldwater Institute, who I like you describe your 397 00:18:25,800 --> 00:18:27,960 Speaker 2: job title as you sue the government man. 398 00:18:27,880 --> 00:18:29,679 Speaker 1: That's got to get you out of bed in the morning. 399 00:18:30,800 --> 00:18:33,280 Speaker 3: I don't know. There's always plenty of work, that's the thing. 400 00:18:34,480 --> 00:18:35,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, no kidding. 401 00:18:35,280 --> 00:18:37,679 Speaker 2: I'm amazed by the people who are on the other side, 402 00:18:37,880 --> 00:18:43,399 Speaker 2: who who I think have to know they're doing evil 403 00:18:43,640 --> 00:18:46,320 Speaker 2: for the schools for instance, like some of the teachers' 404 00:18:46,400 --> 00:18:47,160 Speaker 2: union people. 405 00:18:46,920 --> 00:18:47,640 Speaker 1: And stuff like that. 406 00:18:47,920 --> 00:18:51,760 Speaker 2: Don't they they or did they convince themselves somehow they're 407 00:18:51,760 --> 00:18:52,560 Speaker 2: doing something good? 408 00:18:53,440 --> 00:18:56,439 Speaker 3: Well, there's there are some people who take shelter in 409 00:18:56,560 --> 00:18:59,840 Speaker 3: the idea that everybody deserves a defense, which is true. 410 00:19:00,000 --> 00:19:01,679 Speaker 3: You know, they're fine if that's what you want to do, 411 00:19:01,720 --> 00:19:02,320 Speaker 3: but I couldn't. 412 00:19:02,359 --> 00:19:03,520 Speaker 1: I wouldn't be happy doing that. 413 00:19:03,800 --> 00:19:06,120 Speaker 3: And then there's people who do it because it's part 414 00:19:06,200 --> 00:19:09,760 Speaker 3: of the path to another job. You kind of have 415 00:19:09,920 --> 00:19:13,159 Speaker 3: to work as a prosecutor or a US attorney is 416 00:19:13,200 --> 00:19:15,679 Speaker 3: something if you wanted to become a judge someday, And 417 00:19:15,720 --> 00:19:17,879 Speaker 3: so they go through what the Romans used to call 418 00:19:17,920 --> 00:19:21,439 Speaker 3: the courses a normum, the series of positions that you 419 00:19:21,520 --> 00:19:23,240 Speaker 3: have to have in order to rise in the government 420 00:19:23,280 --> 00:19:25,360 Speaker 3: and something like that. I've never really had a great 421 00:19:25,400 --> 00:19:27,919 Speaker 3: deal of ambition in that respect, and I don't think 422 00:19:27,960 --> 00:19:29,679 Speaker 3: i'd be very good at it anyway, because I'm not 423 00:19:29,680 --> 00:19:31,640 Speaker 3: really good about keeping my opinions to myself. 424 00:19:31,720 --> 00:19:33,840 Speaker 2: So one of the most interesting things I ever heard 425 00:19:33,880 --> 00:19:36,040 Speaker 2: from David French, who now works for The New York Times. 426 00:19:36,080 --> 00:19:38,800 Speaker 2: He's a Harvard Law School grat He said he was 427 00:19:38,800 --> 00:19:41,560 Speaker 2: always worried about that the whole you know, having to 428 00:19:41,640 --> 00:19:44,960 Speaker 2: defend an awful person or an awful company or something 429 00:19:45,000 --> 00:19:45,800 Speaker 2: like that as a lawyer. 430 00:19:45,800 --> 00:19:48,159 Speaker 1: How you do it, he said, it doesn't become an issue. 431 00:19:48,240 --> 00:19:52,920 Speaker 2: You always find a way to convince yourself that your 432 00:19:52,960 --> 00:19:53,320 Speaker 2: guy or. 433 00:19:53,320 --> 00:19:55,840 Speaker 1: Company is getting screwed somehow, so they need a good defense. 434 00:19:55,960 --> 00:19:59,080 Speaker 3: You just always do Yeah, And how could you live 435 00:19:59,119 --> 00:20:01,479 Speaker 3: with yourself if you became the kind of person who 436 00:20:02,040 --> 00:20:04,560 Speaker 3: did that, but your client was the government. How can 437 00:20:04,720 --> 00:20:07,480 Speaker 3: you know that you are able to accommodate your conscience 438 00:20:07,560 --> 00:20:09,600 Speaker 3: to the kinds of things that the federal and state 439 00:20:09,640 --> 00:20:11,400 Speaker 3: governments are doing to people day in and day out 440 00:20:11,440 --> 00:20:12,480 Speaker 3: in this country. I don't know. 441 00:20:12,800 --> 00:20:15,400 Speaker 1: So what did Utah just rule about homelessness? That's going 442 00:20:15,440 --> 00:20:15,960 Speaker 1: to appalla. 443 00:20:17,000 --> 00:20:19,840 Speaker 3: So this is the latest in this series of lawsuits 444 00:20:19,880 --> 00:20:24,200 Speaker 3: where cities have allowed homeless encampments or even encouraged homeless 445 00:20:24,280 --> 00:20:28,520 Speaker 3: encampments on government owned properties that create what we call 446 00:20:28,600 --> 00:20:32,439 Speaker 3: a nuisance for neighboring property owners. Now you might remember 447 00:20:32,480 --> 00:20:35,560 Speaker 3: a couple years ago, Phoenix had the largest homeless encampment 448 00:20:35,640 --> 00:20:37,919 Speaker 3: in the country, a thousand people living on the streets 449 00:20:37,920 --> 00:20:40,920 Speaker 3: of Phoenix through one hundred and twenty degree summers because 450 00:20:40,920 --> 00:20:43,320 Speaker 3: the government was like, yeah, sure, fine, you can camp here. 451 00:20:43,320 --> 00:20:45,160 Speaker 3: We're not going to enforce the laws against that here. 452 00:20:45,600 --> 00:20:50,800 Speaker 3: And it destroyed local businesses. It really was. All The 453 00:20:50,880 --> 00:20:53,680 Speaker 3: real victims of these policies are the tax paying hard 454 00:20:53,720 --> 00:20:56,520 Speaker 3: working citizens of these communities who pay their tax dollars 455 00:20:56,560 --> 00:20:59,520 Speaker 3: for police protection and don't get it because city officials 456 00:20:59,600 --> 00:21:04,040 Speaker 3: decided they would rather not enforce the laws. Well, in Utah, unfortunately, 457 00:21:04,040 --> 00:21:05,920 Speaker 3: in Salt Lake City they were doing the same thing. 458 00:21:06,000 --> 00:21:07,960 Speaker 3: There's a lot of city owned property in the city, 459 00:21:08,000 --> 00:21:09,480 Speaker 3: and the city was like, yeah, sure, if you want 460 00:21:09,480 --> 00:21:11,399 Speaker 3: to have a homeless encampment there, that's fine, We're not 461 00:21:11,440 --> 00:21:14,879 Speaker 3: going to do anything about it. And locals sued the 462 00:21:15,000 --> 00:21:17,680 Speaker 3: city for maintaining a nuisance. Now, the problem is that 463 00:21:17,960 --> 00:21:21,640 Speaker 3: a lot of states have a legal principle that says 464 00:21:21,680 --> 00:21:24,920 Speaker 3: you can't sue the government for failing to enforce the law. 465 00:21:25,040 --> 00:21:27,320 Speaker 3: The government can choose when to enforce the law and 466 00:21:27,400 --> 00:21:29,840 Speaker 3: when not to, and the reason why is because they 467 00:21:29,880 --> 00:21:32,720 Speaker 3: have limited resources and sometimes they want to take mercy 468 00:21:32,800 --> 00:21:35,880 Speaker 3: on people or whatever, and so in general sense, it's 469 00:21:35,920 --> 00:21:38,040 Speaker 3: okay for the government to pick and choose the cases 470 00:21:38,080 --> 00:21:41,239 Speaker 3: it's going to pursue. But unfortunately, what happens is then 471 00:21:41,280 --> 00:21:43,879 Speaker 3: the government uses as an excuse to just stand back 472 00:21:43,920 --> 00:21:47,560 Speaker 3: and do nothing. And so unfortunately, the state Supreme Court 473 00:21:47,640 --> 00:21:51,040 Speaker 3: in Utah ruled that Salt Lake City could not be 474 00:21:51,200 --> 00:21:55,000 Speaker 3: sued on the grounds that effectively ran on a bunch 475 00:21:55,040 --> 00:21:59,040 Speaker 3: of nuisances in the city, damaging people's property and threatening 476 00:21:59,080 --> 00:22:01,960 Speaker 3: public safety. Because of this rule that you can't sue 477 00:22:01,960 --> 00:22:05,960 Speaker 3: the government. Now we have so you have in Arizona 478 00:22:06,040 --> 00:22:07,880 Speaker 3: the courts went one way saying, yes, you can sue 479 00:22:07,920 --> 00:22:10,119 Speaker 3: the government for this, and in Utah you have the 480 00:22:10,440 --> 00:22:12,480 Speaker 3: opposite way, where you can't sue the government for this. 481 00:22:12,880 --> 00:22:15,600 Speaker 3: The goldwaterers to do, we developed a solution of this problem. 482 00:22:16,320 --> 00:22:18,080 Speaker 3: It's called Prop. Three twelve. We ran it on the 483 00:22:18,119 --> 00:22:21,159 Speaker 3: ballot in Arizona and it passed, and it says, if 484 00:22:21,200 --> 00:22:25,680 Speaker 3: the government chooses not to enforce the law against these encampments, 485 00:22:26,160 --> 00:22:28,639 Speaker 3: then and if you have to take steps to protect yourself, 486 00:22:28,720 --> 00:22:31,400 Speaker 3: they say, put bars on your business to keep people 487 00:22:31,440 --> 00:22:34,600 Speaker 3: from breaking in the windows, or install security cameras or 488 00:22:34,760 --> 00:22:37,240 Speaker 3: higher security guard you should be able to deduct that 489 00:22:37,640 --> 00:22:40,600 Speaker 3: from your taxes. If the government's not providing you with 490 00:22:40,640 --> 00:22:43,280 Speaker 3: the services that it is supposed to be spending your 491 00:22:43,320 --> 00:22:46,240 Speaker 3: tax dollars on, you should get your tax dollars back, essentially, 492 00:22:46,480 --> 00:22:49,240 Speaker 3: and so it'll our initiative, which which is now the 493 00:22:49,320 --> 00:22:53,080 Speaker 3: law in Arizona, says just that and where I'm saying, Utah, 494 00:22:53,200 --> 00:22:56,040 Speaker 3: if you're listening, this is a solution to your problem. 495 00:22:56,080 --> 00:22:58,639 Speaker 3: Your state Supreme Court has decided not to require the 496 00:22:58,680 --> 00:23:01,440 Speaker 3: government to enforce the law. So there's an answer to that, 497 00:23:01,560 --> 00:23:03,520 Speaker 3: and that is, if you have to take steps to 498 00:23:03,560 --> 00:23:05,960 Speaker 3: protect yourself, you should you at least shouldn't have to 499 00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:06,520 Speaker 3: pay twice. 500 00:23:06,880 --> 00:23:10,600 Speaker 2: That is again, no kidding. That is really an interesting 501 00:23:10,680 --> 00:23:12,720 Speaker 2: idea you guys came up with, and I'm glad it worked. 502 00:23:12,760 --> 00:23:15,639 Speaker 2: So I'm wondering if we had something wrong here. So 503 00:23:16,200 --> 00:23:19,399 Speaker 2: a couple of weeks ago here in the state capitol 504 00:23:19,440 --> 00:23:22,960 Speaker 2: of California and Sacramento, they came up with this new 505 00:23:23,160 --> 00:23:26,800 Speaker 2: rule where no homeless people around city hall. 506 00:23:27,720 --> 00:23:31,399 Speaker 1: And we were mocking that actually, because. 507 00:23:31,119 --> 00:23:34,359 Speaker 2: They were saying, you know, it's not fair that our 508 00:23:34,440 --> 00:23:37,600 Speaker 2: employees have to be worried walking to their cars or whatever. Yeah, 509 00:23:37,640 --> 00:23:40,480 Speaker 2: and we were mocking that because, okay, fine for the 510 00:23:40,560 --> 00:23:43,399 Speaker 2: government worker, but what about the guy just four blocks 511 00:23:43,440 --> 00:23:45,720 Speaker 2: over at the restaurant. He's you know, he's got to 512 00:23:45,760 --> 00:23:48,200 Speaker 2: step over drug addicts to get into his business. You 513 00:23:48,320 --> 00:23:50,480 Speaker 2: care about the government workers, but not him. But should 514 00:23:50,520 --> 00:23:53,479 Speaker 2: we be happy that they started with the government property 515 00:23:53,600 --> 00:23:53,760 Speaker 2: or not? 516 00:23:53,920 --> 00:23:56,280 Speaker 3: I don't I don't know, talk about left to meat cake. 517 00:23:56,320 --> 00:24:00,439 Speaker 3: That's outrageous. I mean we actually we had a benefit 518 00:24:00,560 --> 00:24:03,639 Speaker 3: in Phoenix in that the enormous Holsing camp it was 519 00:24:03,840 --> 00:24:06,520 Speaker 3: right there in the middle of the area where the 520 00:24:06,560 --> 00:24:09,160 Speaker 3: government complex is. It was next to the Supreme Court, 521 00:24:09,320 --> 00:24:12,280 Speaker 3: next to the state Capitol building. You couldn't avoid seeing 522 00:24:12,320 --> 00:24:14,760 Speaker 3: it if you were a government employee. And that was 523 00:24:14,840 --> 00:24:17,639 Speaker 3: good because it put pressure on the government to actually 524 00:24:17,760 --> 00:24:21,240 Speaker 3: enforce the existing laws against this kind of behavior, which 525 00:24:21,240 --> 00:24:24,720 Speaker 3: they were refusing to do so by saying, oh no, 526 00:24:24,920 --> 00:24:30,119 Speaker 3: you you ordinary, hardworking proletarian Californians, you can deal with this. 527 00:24:30,520 --> 00:24:33,760 Speaker 3: We government officials, because we have stars on our bellies, 528 00:24:34,119 --> 00:24:37,000 Speaker 3: you know, like the like doctor Seuss's speeches. We don't 529 00:24:37,040 --> 00:24:39,040 Speaker 3: have to put up with that. That's that really is 530 00:24:39,160 --> 00:24:42,160 Speaker 3: I mean, how how louis the fourteenth can you get? 531 00:24:42,240 --> 00:24:46,200 Speaker 3: I mean, this is this is French ancion regime kind 532 00:24:46,240 --> 00:24:47,160 Speaker 3: of stuff. Crazy. 533 00:24:47,640 --> 00:24:51,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, So, I often I realized the law is is 534 00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:56,320 Speaker 2: crafted around a lot of protecting individuals and minorities from 535 00:24:56,440 --> 00:24:59,520 Speaker 2: the tyranny of the majority, But it seems so often, 536 00:24:59,560 --> 00:25:02,680 Speaker 2: at least living in California, the tyranny of the minority 537 00:25:02,760 --> 00:25:04,840 Speaker 2: against the majority happens so often. 538 00:25:05,640 --> 00:25:11,440 Speaker 3: Yeah, California. California's political culture has as a hangover from 539 00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:19,000 Speaker 3: the sixties, this obsession of ignoring or penalizing the hard working, 540 00:25:19,080 --> 00:25:23,639 Speaker 3: wealth creators of your state to benefit the so called oppressed, 541 00:25:23,880 --> 00:25:28,080 Speaker 3: who in many cases are in fact lawbreakers who are 542 00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:32,200 Speaker 3: damaging other people's property and other people's rights. And it's 543 00:25:32,359 --> 00:25:36,720 Speaker 3: so perverse. But it's the problem is California, is it? Well, 544 00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:38,800 Speaker 3: there's money problems, but one of the biggest ones is 545 00:25:38,840 --> 00:25:46,560 Speaker 3: it's political culture, this mawkish obsession with the allegedly disenfranchised 546 00:25:46,680 --> 00:25:51,280 Speaker 3: or the allegedly underprivileged, when in fact, what it is 547 00:25:51,560 --> 00:25:54,159 Speaker 3: is that the state refuses to protect the rights of 548 00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:55,639 Speaker 3: those who actually go out there and work for a 549 00:25:55,640 --> 00:25:57,919 Speaker 3: living all day. Why should you bother if the state's 550 00:25:57,960 --> 00:25:59,920 Speaker 3: going to do everything for you, why would you bother 551 00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:04,040 Speaker 3: are going out and working hard and creating wealth and 552 00:26:04,080 --> 00:26:06,600 Speaker 3: providing jobs and things like that. I just at some 553 00:26:06,840 --> 00:26:09,480 Speaker 3: point people have to wake up about this stuff, right, 554 00:26:09,560 --> 00:26:12,159 Speaker 3: I don't know, California has not woken up about the 555 00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:13,800 Speaker 3: bullet train still, so who knows? 556 00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:16,720 Speaker 1: No freaking kidding, That's all I believe. 557 00:26:16,760 --> 00:26:18,960 Speaker 3: California is on the road to reform when when it 558 00:26:19,080 --> 00:26:20,280 Speaker 3: mixes that ridiculous. 559 00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:21,119 Speaker 1: No kidding. 560 00:26:21,960 --> 00:26:25,760 Speaker 2: We're almost into September, which gets us close to October, 561 00:26:25,840 --> 00:26:28,359 Speaker 2: which gets us into another Supreme Court session. Are there 562 00:26:28,400 --> 00:26:30,320 Speaker 2: any big cases coming this next year that we should 563 00:26:30,359 --> 00:26:30,720 Speaker 2: look forward to? 564 00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:30,879 Speaker 4: Do? 565 00:26:30,920 --> 00:26:31,080 Speaker 1: You know? 566 00:26:31,640 --> 00:26:34,960 Speaker 3: I think so. I think you're going to see a 567 00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:38,520 Speaker 3: birthright citizenship. I think you're gonna see this thing just 568 00:26:38,600 --> 00:26:41,560 Speaker 3: yesterday about firing the head of the FED. So you 569 00:26:41,640 --> 00:26:43,840 Speaker 3: know what's going on there is Back in the thirties, 570 00:26:43,880 --> 00:26:47,640 Speaker 3: the Supreme Court issued a decision that said that it's 571 00:26:48,680 --> 00:26:52,000 Speaker 3: that says that the Congress can create these jobs that 572 00:26:52,119 --> 00:26:54,840 Speaker 3: the president can appoint, but then then the president can't 573 00:26:54,960 --> 00:26:58,120 Speaker 3: fire these people. And the question is is that constitutional? 574 00:26:58,160 --> 00:27:01,960 Speaker 3: The Constitution says the president has the executive power, and 575 00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:04,240 Speaker 3: that means in theory, that should mean the president gets 576 00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:06,840 Speaker 3: to appoint people, and he gets to fire people, and 577 00:27:07,080 --> 00:27:09,879 Speaker 3: everybody in the executive branch works for the president and 578 00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:13,080 Speaker 3: can be fired by the president. But back in the thirties, 579 00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:16,439 Speaker 3: during the New Deal era, Congress started creating these new 580 00:27:16,640 --> 00:27:20,720 Speaker 3: kinds of bureaucratic administrative agencies and said, well, the president 581 00:27:20,800 --> 00:27:22,840 Speaker 3: can't fire them. We want them to be independent from 582 00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:25,800 Speaker 3: the president, but also sort of independent from Congress and 583 00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:28,840 Speaker 3: also kind of independent from the courts. Well, the US 584 00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:33,000 Speaker 3: Constitution only contemplates three branches of government, and so for 585 00:27:33,040 --> 00:27:35,200 Speaker 3: a long time this has been a problem whether the 586 00:27:35,320 --> 00:27:38,840 Speaker 3: Congress can create these agencies that the president isn't really 587 00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:41,760 Speaker 3: in charge of. And so what Trump is doing by 588 00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:44,680 Speaker 3: firing the head of the FED is triggering this lawsuit 589 00:27:45,320 --> 00:27:48,800 Speaker 3: about whether or not that's constitutional. Let a reconsider those 590 00:27:48,840 --> 00:27:53,480 Speaker 3: decisions from the nineteen thirties that created these independent administrative agencies. 591 00:27:54,119 --> 00:27:57,520 Speaker 3: On one hand, I agree, I think these are unconstitutional. 592 00:27:57,560 --> 00:27:59,640 Speaker 3: I think if you're in an executive branch, you work 593 00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:01,639 Speaker 3: for the present and if that's how the constitution works, 594 00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:04,200 Speaker 3: and he can fire anybody who wants in the executive branch. 595 00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:07,639 Speaker 3: But on the other hand, that opens the door to 596 00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:09,760 Speaker 3: a lot of chaos, as we saw with the markets 597 00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:11,880 Speaker 3: yesterday with the announcement of the firing of the FED. 598 00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:15,880 Speaker 3: So there's a real constitutional and economic reckoning to come, 599 00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:17,119 Speaker 3: and I think we're going to see that in this 600 00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:18,480 Speaker 3: Supreme Court in the coming year. 601 00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:20,280 Speaker 1: So I was listened to a podcast the other day. 602 00:28:20,280 --> 00:28:23,359 Speaker 2: They were actually talking about the specific case of TikTok, 603 00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:26,760 Speaker 2: which Congress passed law the TikTok's got to go. It 604 00:28:27,359 --> 00:28:30,440 Speaker 2: it ended up in the other branch, the Justice branch, 605 00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:33,600 Speaker 2: nine to oh. The Supreme Court decided it's okay to 606 00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:37,639 Speaker 2: boot TikTok, But the executive branch has decided, for whatever reason, 607 00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:39,200 Speaker 2: not to get rid of TikTok? 608 00:28:39,560 --> 00:28:43,960 Speaker 1: And is it possible and you could apply this to 609 00:28:44,040 --> 00:28:46,120 Speaker 1: a whole bunch of other situations other than TikTok? 610 00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:48,560 Speaker 2: Is it possible for her country to function with only 611 00:28:48,680 --> 00:28:52,040 Speaker 2: two of the three branches actually doing anything because Congress 612 00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:55,840 Speaker 2: has decided, Eh, we'll let the courts and the president 613 00:28:55,920 --> 00:28:57,680 Speaker 2: with his pen and phone do everything and we're just 614 00:28:57,720 --> 00:28:58,440 Speaker 2: going to stay out of it. 615 00:28:58,600 --> 00:29:00,320 Speaker 1: And they did it with Biden and Obama doing it 616 00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:00,720 Speaker 1: with Trump. 617 00:29:01,680 --> 00:29:04,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, you've put your finger on the real problem is 618 00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:06,840 Speaker 3: Congress's refusal to do its job. The Constitution was written 619 00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:09,320 Speaker 3: by people who expected Congress to show up for work 620 00:29:09,320 --> 00:29:12,400 Speaker 3: and actually do something every day, and instead, what Congress 621 00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:14,560 Speaker 3: has done is passed a series of laws that gives 622 00:29:14,600 --> 00:29:17,360 Speaker 3: the president power to make or break and do whatever 623 00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:19,400 Speaker 3: he wishes. And then they've washed their hands of it 624 00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:22,800 Speaker 3: and gone home. And no, the system cannot work that way. 625 00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:25,640 Speaker 3: We need a Congress that actually does its job. And 626 00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:28,240 Speaker 3: now I would dispute whether we actually have two functioning 627 00:29:28,280 --> 00:29:30,000 Speaker 3: brands of the government. I would say we have about 628 00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:32,160 Speaker 3: half of a functioning branch of government. Half of the 629 00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:36,320 Speaker 3: judiciary basically works, half of it doesn't. Congress doesn't do anything. 630 00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:39,320 Speaker 3: The president just does whatever it feels like. And the 631 00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:41,840 Speaker 3: TikTok ban is a great example of that. It's totally 632 00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:45,239 Speaker 3: unconstitutional for the president to refuse to enforce a TikTok ban. 633 00:29:45,480 --> 00:29:48,840 Speaker 3: The Constitution requires the president to quote take care that 634 00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:53,240 Speaker 3: the laws be faithfully executed, not just executed, but faithfully executed. 635 00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:55,520 Speaker 3: That means it's his job to enforce the law, whether 636 00:29:55,560 --> 00:29:57,800 Speaker 3: he likes it or not. The only exception to that 637 00:29:58,040 --> 00:30:01,200 Speaker 3: is if the president needs laws unconstitution then he doesn't 638 00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:03,360 Speaker 3: have to enforce it. In fact, he's obligated not to. 639 00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:05,800 Speaker 3: But the president does not claim that the TikTok band 640 00:30:05,840 --> 00:30:08,160 Speaker 3: is unconstitutional, and the Supreme Court is said that it's not. 641 00:30:08,560 --> 00:30:10,800 Speaker 3: So the president has a moral and legal obligation do 642 00:30:10,840 --> 00:30:12,360 Speaker 3: in forrest this wall, and he just doesn't care, and 643 00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:14,720 Speaker 3: Congress doesn't care, and nobody's doing anything about it. It's 644 00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:16,920 Speaker 3: it's truly astounding. 645 00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:19,160 Speaker 1: And that's one of many examples. Anyway, Tim Sanders, and I. 646 00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:21,400 Speaker 3: Can hear people saying, but Obama did it too. Yeah, 647 00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:23,880 Speaker 3: that doesn't make it right. No, no, don't make it right. 648 00:30:24,040 --> 00:30:26,160 Speaker 2: No no, Well that's that's what I was talking about yesterday. 649 00:30:26,240 --> 00:30:28,239 Speaker 2: How do we end this race to the bottom? How 650 00:30:28,280 --> 00:30:30,440 Speaker 2: do you end thee Well, they play hardball. We're gonna 651 00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:31,120 Speaker 2: play harder ball. 652 00:30:31,960 --> 00:30:33,880 Speaker 1: You know where you end up when you do that, 653 00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:35,680 Speaker 1: the race to the bottom. I mean, it just all 654 00:30:35,760 --> 00:30:36,240 Speaker 1: comes apart. 655 00:30:36,320 --> 00:30:39,640 Speaker 2: But anyway, Tim Sanderfer with the gold Water Institute, appreciate 656 00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:42,080 Speaker 2: all your time today, Tim, great as always. I'm sure 657 00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:44,040 Speaker 2: I'm gonna get all kinds of text and emails saying 658 00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:44,800 Speaker 2: have Tim back soon. 659 00:30:44,880 --> 00:30:47,000 Speaker 3: We love Tim so and only a few of those 660 00:30:47,040 --> 00:30:47,520 Speaker 3: will be from me. 661 00:30:49,280 --> 00:30:52,200 Speaker 1: Thank you, Tim Sanderfer. Okay, cool, what did you tell me? 662 00:30:52,280 --> 00:30:52,400 Speaker 4: Oh? 663 00:30:52,520 --> 00:30:54,640 Speaker 2: I know what I got to talk about here. 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Actually, UH as always some super interesting 690 00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:14,280 Speaker 2: stuff from Tim. 691 00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:18,280 Speaker 1: That that last part is fascinating. 692 00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:24,960 Speaker 2: Will Congress ever decide to be serious about the fact 693 00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:28,880 Speaker 2: that they're supposed to be they're they're Article one power. 694 00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:34,760 Speaker 2: I mean, they're the basis of our entire government, you know, 695 00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:37,600 Speaker 2: up against the other balancing acts of the executive and 696 00:32:37,600 --> 00:32:40,520 Speaker 2: the jiu jitsu. But Congress has just decided we'll just 697 00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:43,320 Speaker 2: do whatever a president at the time wants, and then 698 00:32:43,360 --> 00:32:45,960 Speaker 2: if we're out of power, we just don't do anything. 699 00:32:46,560 --> 00:32:48,080 Speaker 1: It's very, very frustrating. 700 00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:49,840 Speaker 2: Anyway, we got more on the way if you have 701 00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:51,360 Speaker 2: a thought for any of this text line four one 702 00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:53,200 Speaker 2: five nine five k FTC. 703 00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:54,760 Speaker 4: Strong. 704 00:32:57,120 --> 00:33:00,680 Speaker 5: Matsuzawa learned how to kick just five years ago studying 705 00:33:00,760 --> 00:33:05,000 Speaker 5: YouTube videos of Seattle Seahawks kicker Jason Myers. Matsuzawa moved 706 00:33:05,040 --> 00:33:07,240 Speaker 5: to Ohio to play at a community college, where he 707 00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:10,680 Speaker 5: turned to his favorite online tutor to learn English, before 708 00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:14,640 Speaker 5: transferring to UH to play on scholarship. In all, Matsuzawa 709 00:33:14,800 --> 00:33:17,560 Speaker 5: made three field goals in Hawaii's twenty three to twenty 710 00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:21,040 Speaker 5: win over Stanford, proving then there's a will and a 711 00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:22,960 Speaker 5: lot of YouTube there's a way. 712 00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:26,240 Speaker 2: Hawaii beat Stanford, and that story with the kicker. That's 713 00:33:26,280 --> 00:33:27,800 Speaker 2: something Joe and I talk about a lot. 714 00:33:28,280 --> 00:33:30,760 Speaker 1: I'm not saying that. I mean, obviously it would be 715 00:33:30,840 --> 00:33:31,760 Speaker 1: stupid to say that. 716 00:33:33,920 --> 00:33:36,720 Speaker 2: Practice and lessons and hiring a coach and all that 717 00:33:36,800 --> 00:33:40,400 Speaker 2: sort of stuff doesn't matter. But man, at the end 718 00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:42,600 Speaker 2: of the day, a lot of it is just your 719 00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:46,640 Speaker 2: natural born athletic ability, a lot of it. And it's 720 00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:50,880 Speaker 2: amazing how many people start playing basketball at age fifteen 721 00:33:51,120 --> 00:33:53,920 Speaker 2: or football or whatever and go on to do really 722 00:33:53,960 --> 00:33:57,200 Speaker 2: well because they're great athletes. And your kid who started 723 00:33:57,200 --> 00:34:00,280 Speaker 2: at age five and has been in thirty different legues 724 00:34:00,320 --> 00:34:01,840 Speaker 2: with the pro coach because they just. 725 00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:06,240 Speaker 1: Can't run as fast. You know that whole You kind 726 00:34:06,280 --> 00:34:10,560 Speaker 1: of have it or you don't. Yeah, there's a certain 727 00:34:10,560 --> 00:34:12,040 Speaker 1: amount of that to sports. 728 00:34:12,080 --> 00:34:15,279 Speaker 2: Now, if you've already got the talent and skill his 729 00:34:15,400 --> 00:34:17,759 Speaker 2: strength and speed and everything like that, and you hire 730 00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:19,759 Speaker 2: coaches against a kid who doesn't, that could make a 731 00:34:19,840 --> 00:34:22,520 Speaker 2: huge difference. But you definitely have to have the strength, 732 00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:25,399 Speaker 2: speed and coordination to start with. Yeah, Okay, so there's 733 00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:25,960 Speaker 2: that story. 734 00:34:26,080 --> 00:34:30,480 Speaker 1: I wanted to get this ridiculous story on. Also, Mount Rushmore, 735 00:34:30,680 --> 00:34:31,879 Speaker 1: an American Icon. 736 00:34:32,160 --> 00:34:34,720 Speaker 4: There is now an effort by some supporters of Donald 737 00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:38,359 Speaker 4: Trump to add his face to the monument. Congresswoman Anna 738 00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:40,759 Speaker 4: Paulina Luna has a bill in Congress that would add 739 00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:44,960 Speaker 4: Trump to Mount Rushmore. From an engineering and geological perspective, 740 00:34:45,160 --> 00:34:49,320 Speaker 4: adding any faces near impossible. A close look shows the 741 00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:53,080 Speaker 4: mountain filled with deep fractures. Paul Nelson, an engineer who 742 00:34:53,120 --> 00:34:55,960 Speaker 4: worked on the mountain, warns any new carving could cause 743 00:34:56,040 --> 00:34:56,960 Speaker 4: serious damage. 744 00:34:58,640 --> 00:35:01,440 Speaker 2: I can't believe they at actually went to an engineer 745 00:35:01,920 --> 00:35:05,560 Speaker 2: to talk about adding another face to Mount Rushmore, which 746 00:35:05,600 --> 00:35:08,560 Speaker 2: if you've been there, and I've been there fifty times 747 00:35:08,600 --> 00:35:13,320 Speaker 2: in my life because I'm from South Dakota, you actually 748 00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:16,200 Speaker 2: had to go talk to some a guy who carves 749 00:35:16,239 --> 00:35:18,440 Speaker 2: faces on mountains to come up with the idea that 750 00:35:18,520 --> 00:35:20,560 Speaker 2: it's there's no room on there for a face. For 751 00:35:20,640 --> 00:35:24,239 Speaker 2: one thing, you take Teddy Roosevelt off because nobody knows 752 00:35:24,280 --> 00:35:26,440 Speaker 2: why he's up there, and you put Trump right there. 753 00:35:28,239 --> 00:35:29,080 Speaker 1: It's a little slap. 754 00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:32,440 Speaker 2: You got Washington, Lincoln, Jefferson, you know, really really three 755 00:35:32,440 --> 00:35:33,960 Speaker 2: big ones, and then you got Trump right over there 756 00:35:33,960 --> 00:35:35,560 Speaker 2: in the corner where Teddy Roosevelt used to be and 757 00:35:35,600 --> 00:35:36,239 Speaker 2: nobody knows why. 758 00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:39,440 Speaker 1: Remember when Pelosi flooded putting Biden up there. I know, 759 00:35:40,600 --> 00:35:42,000 Speaker 1: I just I was thinking about this. 760 00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:49,240 Speaker 2: Everybody has a different level to the extent they're willing 761 00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:53,400 Speaker 2: to kiss their boss's ass, and some people, as we 762 00:35:53,520 --> 00:35:58,319 Speaker 2: all know, are willing to go really far. You watch 763 00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:01,880 Speaker 2: them in the hallway or listen to him in the 764 00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:05,120 Speaker 2: conference room, and you think, ah, you're such a suck up. 765 00:36:05,160 --> 00:36:07,440 Speaker 1: You make me ill. And then there's the. 766 00:36:07,480 --> 00:36:10,120 Speaker 2: Person that won't do it at all. I'm pretty I'm 767 00:36:10,160 --> 00:36:13,920 Speaker 2: a lot closer to that level. I can do it 768 00:36:14,080 --> 00:36:17,080 Speaker 2: a tiny bit some if I'm in the right mood sometimes, 769 00:36:17,719 --> 00:36:20,040 Speaker 2: and I justify it with I'm looking up for my 770 00:36:20,160 --> 00:36:23,239 Speaker 2: own career, my own betterment, to make more money for 771 00:36:23,360 --> 00:36:27,200 Speaker 2: my family. It's a it's a selfish act of trying 772 00:36:27,239 --> 00:36:28,959 Speaker 2: to help. But I can only do it a little 773 00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:33,279 Speaker 2: bit sometimes. The starting a bill in Congress to put 774 00:36:33,320 --> 00:36:37,520 Speaker 2: Trump on Mount Rushma, I mean, that is just so dumb, 775 00:36:38,040 --> 00:36:39,880 Speaker 2: and it's so obviously what it is. 776 00:36:40,080 --> 00:36:42,880 Speaker 1: And Trump knows it's obviously what it is. It's not 777 00:36:43,120 --> 00:36:46,919 Speaker 1: like he doesn't know what you're doing. Oh, he thinks 778 00:36:46,960 --> 00:36:47,600 Speaker 1: you're pathetic. 779 00:36:47,680 --> 00:36:51,080 Speaker 2: You realize he thinks you're a pathetic suck up that 780 00:36:51,239 --> 00:36:53,600 Speaker 2: has no spine of your own. That's what Trump thinks 781 00:36:53,680 --> 00:36:56,280 Speaker 2: of you when you talk about putting him on Mount Rushmore. 782 00:36:56,520 --> 00:37:00,800 Speaker 1: Jack, what you just said was brilliant. Yeah, well, I 783 00:37:00,880 --> 00:37:04,760 Speaker 1: mean you're just the best. Oh my god, that hurts. 784 00:37:05,560 --> 00:37:07,200 Speaker 2: That's like the worst thing I can find out if 785 00:37:07,239 --> 00:37:09,319 Speaker 2: somebody is being nice to me, only because I. 786 00:37:09,600 --> 00:37:12,000 Speaker 1: If it's not genuine, I'd rather not get. 787 00:37:11,920 --> 00:37:12,319 Speaker 3: It at all. 788 00:37:13,760 --> 00:37:16,120 Speaker 1: Oh, Jack, your glasses look really nice today. Thank you 789 00:37:16,280 --> 00:37:18,280 Speaker 1: very much. If you missed a secment, get the podcast. 790 00:37:18,400 --> 00:37:19,000 Speaker 1: More on the Way 791 00:37:21,520 --> 00:37:22,640 Speaker 2: Armstrong and Getty