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Speaker 1: Ladies, and you want experience during your football season, Well,

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Speaker 1: Dan Bayer and Mike Harmon. Mike and Dan break down

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Speaker 1: Dan Bayer and Mike Harmon down.

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Speaker 2: To the final four of the National Football League. He

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Speaker 2: is Mike Carmon. Hit him up at Swollen Dome. Also

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Speaker 2: have Mike Harmon on Blue Sky. You can find me

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Speaker 2: on Exit. Dan Byer on Fox. Have Dan Byer on

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Speaker 2: Blue Sky. The show's executive producers Ian Roddy, Remember he

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Speaker 2: is now on both the Blue Sky, Ian Dash, Roddy

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Speaker 2: on ex at Ian Roddy underscore.

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Speaker 3: Did they get it all correct? Ian?

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Speaker 4: That's right?

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Speaker 3: All right? I wanted to make sure I couldn't remember where.

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Speaker 2: The underscore actually was on X, but I know that

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Speaker 2: the dash is in the middle on Blue Sky.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's like a little tail.

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Speaker 5: Well when it had to be perfect there, Dan, because

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Speaker 5: you know, coming off a national title the Monday Night

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Speaker 5: into Tuesday morning is yours.

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Speaker 2: It's it's a great time. I was very excited. I

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Speaker 2: don't know if you guys ever realized this, but when

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Speaker 2: you do senior pictures, you could pick a couple of

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Speaker 2: different outfits. I'll send you guys this on the secret

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Speaker 2: group text that we have because I've sent it to

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Speaker 2: a couple of buddies joking that that's how I was

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Speaker 2: going to show up to work on Tuesday. But I

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Speaker 2: had senior picture with Ohio state starter jacket in it

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Speaker 2: from nineteen ninety four, So the good old starter jackets

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Speaker 2: that are so popular. I'll have to send this one

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Speaker 2: along to you guys. Hopefully you'll get a kick.

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Speaker 3: Out of it.

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Speaker 5: Sweet victory.

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Speaker 3: This thing better not see the light of day.

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Speaker 2: It was still hanging on the wall at my aunt's

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Speaker 2: house when I went back last summer. I stopped by

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Speaker 2: and I'm like, wow, she still has this up on

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Speaker 2: her wall, and so I had to grab a picture

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Speaker 2: and it just it just paid off tonight for some laughs.

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Speaker 5: For people I got highacked.

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Speaker 3: Please know, I'll tell you what.

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Speaker 2: There's a crappy there's a crappy mustache that I you know,

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Speaker 2: five whiskers underneath the nose, that's what it is.

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Speaker 3: And I had thumb surgery.

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Speaker 2: To day for the senior picture and I was posing

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Speaker 2: with a mini basketball, but they couldn't put it in

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Speaker 2: a cast yet because I had senior pictures. They didn't

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Speaker 2: for like forty eight hours. We unwrapped it for senior pictures, and.

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Speaker 3: Then the next day I went and got brilliant my

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Speaker 2: So that's my story of my senior pictures with my

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Speaker 2: Ohio State starter jacket and mini basketball.

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Speaker 5: I like the necklace. I mean it's a full look.

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Speaker 3: Really is this is?

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Speaker 2: This is again, Mike, to age ourselves. This is six

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Speaker 2: years before Ian was born.

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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, no, I know.

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Speaker 3: I get that.

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Speaker 5: I get that. We we get that constant reminder just

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Speaker 3: My goodness, my goodness.

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Speaker 5: Oh, if I can turn back time, long line, I'd

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Speaker 5: wear the I'd wear the fish nets that Share did

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Speaker 5: the beads.

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Speaker 2: It was not the full beaded necklace, but it was

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Speaker 5: No, it's a good look. Not quite Taylor Swift full

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Speaker 2: Yeah, hopefully nobody ever sees this picture.

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Speaker 3: But so that's good. Mike's got his head coaching.

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Speaker 2: Ben Johnson, Yeah, I'm super happy the buck guys won

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Speaker 3: Of the NFL, the life of it.

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Speaker 5: If nothing else, between all these games, between the National

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Speaker 5: the committee for Charles Tillman going into the Hall of Fame.

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Speaker 5: the office, right. Dalton Schultz will get back to that game.

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Speaker 5: these things happen, and in live and in living color,

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Speaker 5: But my percentage of stopping them, I've given up six

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Speaker 5: after converting the two point conversion is higher than the alternative.

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Speaker 5: He drops it and you know it's the game is over, right,

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Speaker 5: So folks are like, well, you know they still had this,

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Speaker 5: We trusted Justin Tucker from any distance. No, So you know,

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Speaker 5: I just saw a lot of attempts to give him absolution.

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Speaker 5: It's like, no, he's got to catch the ball.

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Speaker 3: You're paid to catch passes at.

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Speaker 6: Ta Lamar was like pumping at him like he was.

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Speaker 6: He was like, dude, I am throwing that.

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Speaker 3: I think that threw him off. I thought the pump things.

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Speaker 5: Like he lost his concentration.

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Speaker 3: I think he lost his spacing on the field.

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Speaker 3: I think he was worried he was going to go

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Speaker 2: And I also think that he didn't want to catch

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Speaker 2: I can guess, So all that stuff is in your

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that was my guess.

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Speaker 5: No, And I think you're probably right right. There's a

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Speaker 5: lot going on. You're trying to look where the pylon is,

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Speaker 5: I mean, there's a million things. You're paid to catch footballs.

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Speaker 5: You are a guy. In the second half of the season,

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Speaker 5: for a monster second half and he's got two of

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Speaker 5: the biggest plays in the game, gets stripped and then

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Speaker 5: this one again. It doesn't win it. You know, to

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Speaker 5: your point, right, they've got a minute and a half,

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Speaker 5: they've got timeouts, you've got Josh Allen, you've got Tyler Bass,

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Speaker 5: You've got all of those things. But you at least

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Speaker 5: have a puncher's chance that your defense can get the

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Speaker 5: stop and force overtime. Instead, it's one time there's an

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Speaker 5: on side kick. That success rate was what four percent

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Speaker 5: either have to move the ball twenty five yards or

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Speaker 5: hope that suddenly Justin Tucker reverts to his old form.

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Speaker 2: My thought, my point is this is I think they

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Speaker 2: are just bigger plays in NFL history. Sure, heck, I

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Speaker 2: actually think that the Lee Evans drop or the knocked

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Speaker 2: Andrews wanted to make that catch. I saw Jackie Smith

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Speaker 2: not the same thing. It's just not This is a

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Speaker 2: I'm coming from before it where like, yeah, it stinks.

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Speaker 2: And I was jokingly that I sent you guys the

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Speaker 2: this day, I am still ticked about not picking off

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Speaker 3: Ninety nine yards.

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Speaker 2: Sure, like we were awful, like we stunk, But I

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Speaker 2: have no athletic career in anything, and that still bothers me.

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Speaker 2: So I get why this would bother Mark Andrews. I

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Speaker 2: just didn't think it was. I just think bleep happens

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Speaker 2: in these sort of situations. And he didn't catch the ball.

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Speaker 2: And I don't know if it's one we're gonna remember, Mike.

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Speaker 2: Maybe it is, maybe it isn't. But to me, it

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Speaker 2: just doesn't rise to that level.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it's it's look, it's the immediacy and in the

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Speaker 5: let's turn out what we can as fast as we

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Speaker 5: can on social media, it's going to be let's rank

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Speaker 5: it across the history. I think where it gets exacerbated

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Speaker 5: is when we have this larger Lamar Jackson narrative. When

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Speaker 5: you've got a team twelve and five, Derrick Henry comes over,

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Speaker 5: still a lot of questions about how he only has

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Speaker 5: the number of touches he does just just me asking questions,

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Speaker 5: or how Lamar Jackson in a I Gotta have a

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Speaker 5: game only has six carries, Like all of those things

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Speaker 5: I have many questions about the process, but the ultimate

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Speaker 5: point is there's no guarantee that everything plays right again

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Speaker 5: because for the most part, they were a healthy team,

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Speaker 5: right Ronnie Stanley finally stayed healthy. Every year it's been

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Speaker 5: the offensive line looks like coming into the year, we're

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Speaker 5: gonna be okay. Oh no, Stanley's down for either the

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Speaker 5: whole season or a giant chunk that. No, you finally

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Speaker 5: got him to play up to the guy we expected

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Speaker 5: him to be. And he's there at the end, and

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Speaker 5: your offensive lines there blocking for Derrick Henry, Isaiah likely

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Speaker 5: rises up, Andrews is playing well, Yeah, you miss his

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Speaker 5: A Flowers and I get it. It's thousand yard receivers

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Speaker 3: Whatever.

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Speaker 5: We've talked about him, how many weeks, Like do I

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Speaker 5: trust him because some weeks was a three seventy, some

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Speaker 5: Right, It's it's one heel down and done.

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Speaker 5: But yeah, I'm with you. I think it's a low

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Speaker 2: And it's toasty compared to what we saw with the

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Speaker 3: We want to have that on Sunday.

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Speaker 5: the defense for Houston was amazing. The calls, I don't know.

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Speaker 5: What it was like the shove in the National title game.

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Speaker 2: And I want to be clear and saying it's not

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Speaker 2: it's maybe not the worst thing because then he doesn't

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Speaker 3: It's it.

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Speaker 6: And to that point, Dan, we know that football is

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Speaker 5: Sure?

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Speaker 2: That's the most egregious one that we've seen. So if

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Speaker 5: But yeah, I mean there's so many things that get

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Speaker 5: how many times you see an egregious head twisting face

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Speaker 2: He's Mike Carmon, I'm Dan Byer. That's Ian Roddy, our

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Speaker 3: On I Want Your Flex.

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Speaker 2: Now, let's look at the National Football Conference in the

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Speaker 3: He is Mike Carmen, I'm Dan Pyre.

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Speaker 2: That's Ian Roddy, the game of the weekend that I

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Speaker 2: With coaches leaving and whatnot? But a tough one of

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Speaker 2: But you're saying, if it's fourth and short, you're going

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Speaker 2: to throw the ball, why wouldn't I want my quarterback

440
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Speaker 2: to throw it instead of having the punter do it.

441
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Speaker 2: And I think that's the exact case here. I think

442
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Speaker 2: the lines just felt they were out of bullets. David,

443
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Speaker 2: you mentioned Aiden Hutchinson being hurt and the hope of

444
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Speaker 2: a comeback. David Montgomery did come back and was just

445
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Speaker 2: not the same. No, he wasn't not even close. And

446
00:22:12,800 --> 00:22:18,920
Speaker 2: that's no excuse for Detroit. But their defense I think

447
00:22:19,359 --> 00:22:22,840
Speaker 2: was when you play offense like that, you can't have

448
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Speaker 2: a stout defense like they're just going to give up

449
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Speaker 2: points because they're going to be on the field. And

450
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Speaker 2: when you're playing a track meet, whether you're running the ball,

451
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Speaker 2: you know, grounded pound, however it is, it's not like

452
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Speaker 2: they're dominating clock and having it for forty two minutes

453
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Speaker 2: a game. The defense is still on the field and

454
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Speaker 2: they're going to give up points, and they gave up

455
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Speaker 2: a lot of them, no matter if they were shorthanded

456
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Speaker 2: or not.

457
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Speaker 3: Washington clearly took advantage.

458
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Speaker 5: Absolutely. Yeah, at that point, you know it's thirty eight

459
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Speaker 5: to twenty eight, you've already given up thirty one plus

460
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Speaker 5: the interception return. You know, Golf at Home does not

461
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Speaker 5: get the call getting obliterated in the post interception fracas,

462
00:23:04,640 --> 00:23:07,040
Speaker 5: but you get that touchdown. But either way, you've given

463
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Speaker 5: up thirty one already. But you throw the deep ball.

464
00:23:10,520 --> 00:23:13,919
Speaker 5: Sandra was still, you know, form Michigan guy actually was

465
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Speaker 5: on our show after all of that last year, so

466
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Speaker 5: you know, friend of the show, I guess we call him.

467
00:23:18,760 --> 00:23:22,720
Speaker 5: But Gibbs was fantastic. Get the ball in his hands.

468
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Speaker 5: Jamison Williams, you can only like, if you're gonna call

469
00:23:26,320 --> 00:23:28,960
Speaker 5: that play, you can only throw it if you need to.

470
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Speaker 5: To your point, yeah, you're getting bludgeoned. You're trying to,

471
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Speaker 5: you know, pull out all the stops. It is who

472
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Speaker 5: you are, right, so you feed into your identity. But unfortunately,

473
00:23:39,040 --> 00:23:42,160
Speaker 5: you know to your point, being up fourteen and demoralizing

474
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Speaker 5: another team with another play like that, it's much different

475
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Speaker 5: than you're chasing ten. And now you're also taking the

476
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Speaker 5: ball out of Golf's hands. And the question on him

477
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Speaker 5: is all the time been is he a guy that

478
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Speaker 5: can battle back? And there's a lot of metrics that

479
00:23:57,320 --> 00:24:00,080
Speaker 5: show no, he's not that guy. So you took a

480
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Speaker 5: ball out of his hand and let your wide receiver

481
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Speaker 5: throw it, So at that point you might as well

482
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Speaker 5: have just thrown the damn towel.

483
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Speaker 2: I just I get the love for Jaden Daniels and

484
00:24:11,720 --> 00:24:14,840
Speaker 2: he deserves his flowers for what he had. But I

485
00:24:14,960 --> 00:24:17,960
Speaker 2: said it on Sunday, I just I feel like it's

486
00:24:18,040 --> 00:24:21,400
Speaker 2: such a rush to judgment and I feel like we

487
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Speaker 2: were in the same spot with CJ. Stroud a year ago. Sure,

488
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Speaker 2: and when I said this, I don't get tons of

489
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Speaker 2: feedback on it, but I did get a little bit

490
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Speaker 2: on social media of people thinking that I'm being critical

491
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Speaker 2: of Jade Daniels and my guy was sticking up for

492
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Speaker 2: Caleb Williams. That's not my point, and I think Jayden

493
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Speaker 2: Daniels has been great. But when people are rushing to

494
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Speaker 2: cash in their tickets on Jayden Daniels, they're not counting

495
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Speaker 2: for maybe problems on the offensive line, or injuries to

496
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Speaker 2: the wide receivers, or just if Cliff Kingsberry leaves, somebody

497
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Speaker 2: new comes in, maybe they don't mesh as well. All

498
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Speaker 2: of those are factors that can come in. There's no

499
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Speaker 2: taking away what he's done this season and how great

500
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Speaker 2: it has been for the Commanders, But I just I

501
00:25:08,960 --> 00:25:12,880
Speaker 2: feel like it's this immediate fast track right away when

502
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Speaker 2: if you just look at CJ. Stroud, their line played

503
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Speaker 2: like crap this year. They lost Stefon Diggs, they lost

504
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Speaker 2: Tank Dell, and look kind of what happened to c J.

505
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Speaker 3: Stroud.

506
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Speaker 2: Not that he was absolved of all issues, but this

507
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Speaker 2: is what happens in an NFL career. There are ups

508
00:25:27,280 --> 00:25:31,080
Speaker 2: and downs. Not everyone is just straight up the whole way, sure,

509
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Speaker 2: And that's why I just caution about Jayden Daniels.

510
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Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, look again, it's the microwave thing, just

511
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Speaker 5: like the Mark Andrews play, and comparing it to the

512
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Speaker 5: worst possible scenarios and heartbreaking moments of big games past,

513
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Speaker 5: you know, for CJ. Strout look on our grid out

514
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Speaker 5: there in our hallway by our producer, a lot that

515
00:25:53,280 --> 00:25:55,919
Speaker 5: you do every year. Dan, I had Houston missing the playoffs.

516
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Speaker 5: I didn't trust the offensive line. Thought there'd be a

517
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Speaker 5: regression and foolishly the division would get better.

518
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Speaker 3: Sure, and that's the chance.

519
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Speaker 5: But me I thought they'd actually get it right and

520
00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:11,240
Speaker 5: be you know, somewhat functional. Instead, it all went to

521
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Speaker 5: hell and then add another injury for Tag Dell. He's

522
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Speaker 5: gonna end up being one of those poor guys we

523
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Speaker 5: talk about. Is boy, what a career it could have been,

524
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Speaker 5: you know at this point with the injuries that he's

525
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Speaker 5: had significant, but you know, Terry mclaurin's all of that

526
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Speaker 5: for Jaden Daniels, the ability to run. I think we

527
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Speaker 5: want to immediately make the comparisons to what Alan and

528
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Speaker 5: Jackson had been doing. Say, I do Alan Jackson way

529
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Speaker 5: down yonder by the Chattahoochie. But it's just that idea

530
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Speaker 5: of we want the next great thing and so it's

531
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Speaker 5: the microwave effect. I was laughing. You know the trading

532
00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:51,880
Speaker 5: card world, right, Panini has their prism set that comes out,

533
00:26:51,920 --> 00:26:55,280
Speaker 5: and for a while, the Panini silver was what you wanted.

534
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Speaker 5: The numbered cards. Nobody cared number ninety nine forty nine

535
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Speaker 5: what those are good collectible h In the last couple

536
00:27:02,119 --> 00:27:04,520
Speaker 5: of years they've been you know, people will go, wait

537
00:27:04,520 --> 00:27:06,680
Speaker 5: a minute, let's get the numbered ones instead of the silver.

538
00:27:06,760 --> 00:27:09,119
Speaker 5: There's more of those this year. Everybody's back on the

539
00:27:09,200 --> 00:27:12,240
Speaker 5: Jade and Daniel silver that came out. It's like tripled

540
00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:15,840
Speaker 5: in value in like the last two weeks based on

541
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Speaker 5: his play. I want that card. So everybody going nuts

542
00:27:19,680 --> 00:27:22,600
Speaker 5: and wanting on board. And yeah, who's to say that

543
00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:25,240
Speaker 5: there's not a regret or Cliff Kingsbury to your point,

544
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Speaker 5: that he doesn't suddenly get a job and a second

545
00:27:28,280 --> 00:27:31,920
Speaker 5: head coaching shot somewhere else, especially now that Ben Johnson's

546
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Speaker 5: not going to Las Vegas.

547
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's it's realistic. It's not a finalist

548
00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:40,480
Speaker 2: for the Jaguars job. It doesn't appear today.

549
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Speaker 5: They're gonna talk to Robert Sala again.

550
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Speaker 3: Mike.

551
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Speaker 2: I wouldn't I wouldn't out I Cliff Kingsbury ends up

552
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Speaker 2: in Dallas POSIB You know, h just a Texas guy

553
00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:51,800
Speaker 2: who knows how that search is going.

554
00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:53,919
Speaker 3: There could be crazy a thing.

555
00:27:54,040 --> 00:27:56,000
Speaker 5: But that's your point, is that, yeah, you're not running

556
00:27:56,040 --> 00:28:00,840
Speaker 5: it back, just like Detroit. On the other side, Bensen's gone,

557
00:28:01,600 --> 00:28:03,840
Speaker 5: the Glenn could leave.

558
00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:07,800
Speaker 2: We've Mike, we talked about the schedule in all the

559
00:28:07,800 --> 00:28:11,440
Speaker 2: games that they probably should have lost, right but ended

560
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Speaker 2: up winning all of those games.

561
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Speaker 3: Next year, aren't going to go your way?

562
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Speaker 5: Oh yeah, Washington, what it was a five game streak

563
00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:22,080
Speaker 5: coming into this week, right of last possession games.

564
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Speaker 3: And that's go ahead.

565
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Speaker 6: I'm just gonna say when he was when he was

566
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Speaker 6: coming into the league, Jayden, he was a big concern

567
00:28:29,359 --> 00:28:31,439
Speaker 6: with him was his size and how skinny he is.

568
00:28:31,480 --> 00:28:33,399
Speaker 6: And it's not like that's really changed. It's just the

569
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Speaker 6: fact that he's managed to stay healthy for a year.

570
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Speaker 6: But but who's to say that he doesn't take a

571
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Speaker 6: big hit and you know that kind of changes things

572
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Speaker 6: for him.

573
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Speaker 5: Well, remember he had those couple of weeks where he

574
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Speaker 5: was the tender rid right, so he couldn't get the

575
00:28:43,440 --> 00:28:45,760
Speaker 5: ball to the end zone right against the Bears.

576
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Speaker 4: Exactly.

577
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Speaker 6: Yeah, it's it's so is he if he takes a

578
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Speaker 6: really big hit, is that going to you know, rattle

579
00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:51,719
Speaker 6: him a little more.

580
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Speaker 4: I don't know.

581
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Speaker 6: It's just stuff to consider, just to play unto that

582
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Speaker 6: point that it might not be exactly as perfect as

583
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Speaker 6: it was this year.

584
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Speaker 2: That's all it is. And at the we're all in agreement.

585
00:29:01,240 --> 00:29:03,640
Speaker 2: It's just we also all in agreement that this stuff

586
00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:06,560
Speaker 2: doesn't sell and so people take it as a negative

587
00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:10,080
Speaker 2: and it's not meant to be a negative. And maybe

588
00:29:10,520 --> 00:29:12,719
Speaker 2: maybe there's another time we could bring this up as

589
00:29:12,760 --> 00:29:14,520
Speaker 2: they're on the verge of maybe you know, one went

590
00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:17,000
Speaker 2: away from going to the super Bowl, and what is

591
00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:20,360
Speaker 2: a winnable game? Sure, I just wonder if they're winning

592
00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:24,120
Speaker 2: the regular season comes back to haunt them on Sunday

593
00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:27,920
Speaker 2: because of the simple fact of the egos had that

594
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Speaker 2: game one they didn't because of DeVante Smith's drop allows

595
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Speaker 2: Washington to continue the Cinderella story and now I think

596
00:29:37,240 --> 00:29:38,920
Speaker 2: puts a chip on the eagles shoulder.

597
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Speaker 5: I think there's something to it. The curiosity to me,

598
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Speaker 5: and I don't know how much you guys covered at

599
00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:47,920
Speaker 5: Sunday or even today with everything going on or in

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Speaker 5: the Monday, I should say now that it's Tuesday as

601
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Speaker 5: you're listening to this globally wherever you are, thank you.

602
00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:57,680
Speaker 5: But Dan Jalen Hirsch refuse to hunt in his on

603
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Speaker 5: field interview talk about his health. I finished the game.

604
00:30:02,600 --> 00:30:05,840
Speaker 5: How are you feeling? You know, very sore? Obviously, the

605
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Speaker 5: questions of whether he's got some ligament issues going on.

606
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Speaker 3: Whatever.

607
00:30:10,280 --> 00:30:12,800
Speaker 5: He's on the field with Saquon Barkley, they're doing the

608
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Speaker 5: I Love you more, No, I love you more.

609
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Speaker 3: Oh.

610
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Speaker 5: I wanted us to get to this threshold in terms

611
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Speaker 5: of rushing yardage. Reporter, Hey, how you feeling? What do

612
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Speaker 5: we got? It's like I was able to finish the games. Like,

613
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Speaker 5: that's not the answering you give.

614
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Speaker 6: She's like, how are you feeling. He's like, yeah, that's crazy. Anyway,

615
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Speaker 6: It's like.

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Speaker 5: I'm fine, we won the game. I can't wait to

617
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Speaker 5: celebrate with our teammates. But how are you feeling? I

618
00:30:34,040 --> 00:30:35,000
Speaker 5: finished the game?

619
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Speaker 2: And he comes back from a concussion right at the

620
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Speaker 2: end of the regular season, so there's just the questions

621
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Speaker 2: of rustiness after that, aside from all the other ailments

622
00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:51,360
Speaker 2: that you could be facing. I don't know if they

623
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Speaker 2: need his arm to beat Washington, if Saquon's gonna do this.

624
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Speaker 5: Yeah, No, I'd run the ball. I didn't give gain

625
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Speaker 5: well five or sent in touches right speed speed to

626
00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:06,440
Speaker 5: the outside and try to get him uncorked a little bit.

627
00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:07,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't.

628
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Speaker 5: I don't think I'd passed the ball more than fifteen

629
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Speaker 5: times if I didn't have to.

630
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Speaker 2: I Sam Cosby's uh now likely there's done for the season.

631
00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:19,200
Speaker 2: He's not going to be available. And you see the

632
00:31:19,240 --> 00:31:22,160
Speaker 2: game that Jalen Carter just had. He was the he

633
00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:25,480
Speaker 2: was the star of the last Drive and he's played

634
00:31:25,760 --> 00:31:28,640
Speaker 2: great in this two years with Philadelphia. I just think

635
00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:30,400
Speaker 2: it's going to be tough for the Commanders, and they

636
00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:32,800
Speaker 2: have every opportunity to prove me wrong.

637
00:31:33,040 --> 00:31:33,280
Speaker 3: Again.

638
00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:35,800
Speaker 2: It's a winnable game for them in terms of they've

639
00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:38,240
Speaker 2: already beaten the Eagles this season, and I think just

640
00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:40,680
Speaker 2: the way that they're playing right now, it's a winnable game.

641
00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:44,040
Speaker 2: But man, I feel that Philly's going to have that

642
00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:46,600
Speaker 2: chip on their shoulder, especially too, because of the way

643
00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:48,240
Speaker 2: they almost gave away the Rams game.

644
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Speaker 3: That's just it, right, Yeah, like that was that was

645
00:31:52,600 --> 00:31:54,760
Speaker 3: That was kind of a mess. I don't know.

646
00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:57,840
Speaker 2: I've complained about how I don't like bad weather affecting

647
00:31:58,120 --> 00:32:01,440
Speaker 2: good games, but it was so bad it was actually funky,

648
00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:04,600
Speaker 2: and I enjoyed that. I wanted the Eagles, Mike, I

649
00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:06,320
Speaker 2: don't know if you know this to punt from the

650
00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:09,320
Speaker 2: Rams thirty one yard line, because I felt like you

651
00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:12,000
Speaker 2: couldn't get a field goal right in the scenario, like

652
00:32:12,280 --> 00:32:14,160
Speaker 2: as it was playing out in the end, they didn't

653
00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:17,520
Speaker 2: have to, but I figured, I think fifteen yards of

654
00:32:17,600 --> 00:32:20,840
Speaker 2: field position is pretty significant when the Rams don't even

655
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Speaker 2: know if they can hold onto the ball.

656
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Speaker 3: No, that was the funness of that game.

657
00:32:24,080 --> 00:32:26,520
Speaker 5: No, and that's it as long as it's close late

658
00:32:26,560 --> 00:32:28,400
Speaker 5: and we got a little bit of potential chaos and

659
00:32:29,080 --> 00:32:32,320
Speaker 5: as Stafford got the ball back. I mean, like ball

660
00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:35,880
Speaker 5: security is so huge. My daughter now has digital handwarmers.

661
00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:38,480
Speaker 5: I haven't seen these, like I've always seen the pop

662
00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:41,240
Speaker 5: heard of them. Oh yeah, now you can charge them up.

663
00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:44,160
Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, no, it's a whole other thing. So I mean,

664
00:32:44,240 --> 00:32:47,520
Speaker 5: but you needed those for every one of your Rams

665
00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:51,280
Speaker 5: receivers because it like it was like a medicine ball

666
00:32:51,400 --> 00:32:53,560
Speaker 5: hit in their hands or if they took it into

667
00:32:53,600 --> 00:32:57,160
Speaker 5: the body. I got it again, like taking a twenty

668
00:32:57,240 --> 00:33:01,959
Speaker 5: pound medicine ball to the chest. So yeah, I mean

669
00:33:02,040 --> 00:33:06,440
Speaker 5: the thrilling end of the game, but stop Saquon Barkley.

670
00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:09,600
Speaker 5: That's can you do it? I don't think Washington can

671
00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:10,840
Speaker 5: do it minus six.

672
00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:13,600
Speaker 2: By the way, I did sweet this and nobody cared,

673
00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:15,640
Speaker 2: nobody did anything with it, which is totally fine. But

674
00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:17,720
Speaker 2: I said, I think and I said this to you

675
00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:20,360
Speaker 2: because he in producers our Sunday show now that I

676
00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:24,880
Speaker 2: do with Carry Rhodes, with Saquon sitting out week eighteen,

677
00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:28,160
Speaker 2: for Saquon not wanting to break the record, saying now,

678
00:33:28,360 --> 00:33:31,160
Speaker 2: let's give some other guys carries earlier in the season.

679
00:33:31,600 --> 00:33:33,640
Speaker 2: For all of these things that he didn't do, he

680
00:33:33,760 --> 00:33:35,840
Speaker 2: probably should have just taken a knee at the one

681
00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:39,320
Speaker 2: on his long run, Mike, because the thing the Eagles

682
00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:40,480
Speaker 2: need to the most was to take.

683
00:33:40,360 --> 00:33:41,200
Speaker 3: Time to take time off.

684
00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:43,480
Speaker 2: They didn't need to add points because then they missed

685
00:33:43,520 --> 00:33:46,360
Speaker 2: the extra point, and then it's the thirteen point game.

686
00:33:46,800 --> 00:33:49,200
Speaker 2: And we saw then what happened with four minutes left

687
00:33:49,240 --> 00:33:53,440
Speaker 2: and the Rams were twenty yards away from possibly pulling

688
00:33:53,560 --> 00:33:55,040
Speaker 2: quite the upset in Philadelphia.

689
00:33:55,280 --> 00:33:58,560
Speaker 5: Seventy eight yard run extra point from Elliot no good,

690
00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:01,680
Speaker 5: and I'll kick king comes into play in all of

691
00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:02,200
Speaker 5: these things.

692
00:34:02,320 --> 00:34:02,480
Speaker 3: Right.

693
00:34:02,840 --> 00:34:05,680
Speaker 5: We talked about Baltimore in the missed two point conversions.

694
00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:09,760
Speaker 5: Here opened the door. Let's say it was four thirty

695
00:34:09,840 --> 00:34:13,520
Speaker 5: six remaining. Rams get the ball back in two minutes.

696
00:34:13,600 --> 00:34:17,680
Speaker 5: They went down the field, got the stop. I like

697
00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:18,800
Speaker 5: that field position.

698
00:34:19,120 --> 00:34:20,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, do you know me?

699
00:34:21,120 --> 00:34:24,000
Speaker 5: I love the field position game. I wish we could

700
00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:26,719
Speaker 5: bring back coffin corner punts, but I may be going

701
00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:29,279
Speaker 5: a bridge too far there. I think those were out

702
00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:30,959
Speaker 5: of style before Ian was even born.

703
00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:34,120
Speaker 2: Uh, he is Mike Carmen. I'm Dan Byer. That is

704
00:34:34,160 --> 00:34:37,640
Speaker 2: Ian Roddy, our executive producer. Mike's gonna weigh in on

705
00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:41,000
Speaker 2: his bears hiring Ben Johnson. It will also lead to

706
00:34:41,080 --> 00:34:43,840
Speaker 2: the question is this hit for the Lions. As crazy

707
00:34:43,880 --> 00:34:45,840
Speaker 2: as that may be, we do have to have that

708
00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:50,840
Speaker 2: discussion and an NFL story that popped up that intrigued

709
00:34:50,880 --> 00:34:52,960
Speaker 2: all of our interests, plus our picks for the conference

710
00:34:53,080 --> 00:34:55,520
Speaker 2: championship game. It's all coming up next here, and I

711
00:34:55,600 --> 00:35:00,239
Speaker 2: want your flex. It is I want your flex. I'm

712
00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:03,560
Speaker 2: Dan Byer. That's Mike Harmon Ian Roddy hanging out as well.

713
00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:09,200
Speaker 2: The big news of Monday is that the biggest fish

714
00:35:10,080 --> 00:35:13,600
Speaker 2: has been hooked by Mike Harmon's Chicago Bears. Lions offensive

715
00:35:13,600 --> 00:35:17,600
Speaker 2: coordinator Ben Johnson had his representation confirmed that he's going

716
00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:19,720
Speaker 2: to be the next head coach of the Bears, taking

717
00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:22,920
Speaker 2: over for Matt Eberfluss. Before we get to the Bears

718
00:35:23,120 --> 00:35:26,880
Speaker 2: angle on this, does the loss of Ben Johnson to

719
00:35:27,040 --> 00:35:30,040
Speaker 2: you might signify the end of this Lions run?

720
00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:32,200
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think there's something to it.

721
00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:32,400
Speaker 3: Right.

722
00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:35,480
Speaker 5: You saw the tearful Dan Campbell. Now, obviously he's a

723
00:35:35,520 --> 00:35:38,120
Speaker 5: guy that has always worn his emotions on his sleeve,

724
00:35:38,640 --> 00:35:40,719
Speaker 5: but I think there's a recognition of that. Like we

725
00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:43,000
Speaker 5: saw that a little bit in the Baltimore locker room,

726
00:35:43,960 --> 00:35:47,680
Speaker 5: a couple of veteran defensive players decaying, hey, look, we

727
00:35:47,719 --> 00:35:50,400
Speaker 5: don't know who's coming back. And now for the Lions,

728
00:35:50,400 --> 00:35:53,120
Speaker 5: a lot of their offense has been predicated on this

729
00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:57,040
Speaker 5: guy's ingenuity. Doesn't mean that it won't necessarily work. You

730
00:35:57,120 --> 00:36:01,600
Speaker 5: still have great interier offensive line, a good defensive line,

731
00:36:02,440 --> 00:36:04,920
Speaker 5: all those skill position players. Eventually got to pay the

732
00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:08,440
Speaker 5: piper on all those guys. But short term, you've got

733
00:36:08,600 --> 00:36:14,440
Speaker 5: good personnel. But Golf's your trigger man, and I like him,

734
00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:17,560
Speaker 5: don't love him. Right, I'm like everybody else like he's

735
00:36:17,680 --> 00:36:21,520
Speaker 5: he's good in spots and with the creativity it took

736
00:36:21,600 --> 00:36:24,160
Speaker 5: that offense. I mean they scored thirty three points a game.

737
00:36:25,120 --> 00:36:28,040
Speaker 5: Who's coming in that's going to keep that thing? Nobody

738
00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:31,440
Speaker 5: moving right, And if Glenlee came.

739
00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:33,040
Speaker 3: Back, I don't think they're doing the same thing.

740
00:36:33,280 --> 00:36:35,440
Speaker 5: No, that you're I think you're one hundred percent right,

741
00:36:35,719 --> 00:36:39,680
Speaker 5: Like I think there's there's still going to be a change,

742
00:36:39,719 --> 00:36:45,440
Speaker 5: but him departing philosophy, how you utilize these players and

743
00:36:45,520 --> 00:36:49,200
Speaker 5: put them in the proper positions and utilized each of

744
00:36:49,280 --> 00:36:51,920
Speaker 5: their talents. I mean, you got Jamison Williams. There were

745
00:36:51,920 --> 00:36:53,320
Speaker 5: a couple times during the course of the year you

746
00:36:53,320 --> 00:36:55,520
Speaker 5: thought you were going to kind of lose him to

747
00:36:55,640 --> 00:36:57,800
Speaker 5: where he was going to become a malecontent because he

748
00:36:57,920 --> 00:37:01,160
Speaker 5: wasn't seeing the ball. And instead he's the guy you're

749
00:37:01,200 --> 00:37:03,680
Speaker 5: giving the ball to in the biggest spot down ten,

750
00:37:04,360 --> 00:37:06,320
Speaker 5: as we discussed in an earlier segment.

751
00:37:07,040 --> 00:37:11,799
Speaker 2: So I wonder with the Lions, and I do think Listen,

752
00:37:11,880 --> 00:37:14,319
Speaker 2: they were the number one seed of the NFC. It's

753
00:37:14,719 --> 00:37:17,240
Speaker 2: tough to follow that up. You're gonna get eight nudgetson

754
00:37:17,320 --> 00:37:21,040
Speaker 2: back next year. There's hopefully gonna be improvement for them

755
00:37:21,160 --> 00:37:23,799
Speaker 2: on their defensive side of the ball. I think they

756
00:37:23,960 --> 00:37:29,719
Speaker 2: transition Mike more into that run team. They are like

757
00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:33,560
Speaker 2: they automatically are, just that it's instead of the fireworks

758
00:37:33,600 --> 00:37:36,000
Speaker 2: with the running game, maybe more of it's it's more

759
00:37:36,080 --> 00:37:40,160
Speaker 2: of a ground and pound, especially if Hank Fraley ends

760
00:37:40,239 --> 00:37:44,360
Speaker 2: up having more of a of a role with the Lions.

761
00:37:44,560 --> 00:37:48,040
Speaker 2: He's interviewed for some offensive coordinating positions. But if you

762
00:37:48,120 --> 00:37:50,440
Speaker 2: lose Ben Johnson, maybe that's the route that they go.

763
00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:53,719
Speaker 2: They're just it's gonna be tough to repeat what they

764
00:37:53,880 --> 00:37:57,560
Speaker 2: just went through. They have an offensive line and that

765
00:37:57,800 --> 00:38:00,480
Speaker 2: is the most important thing. So I think they're going

766
00:38:00,520 --> 00:38:03,680
Speaker 2: to fall off the map, but you just can't expect

767
00:38:03,719 --> 00:38:05,520
Speaker 2: them to reach the heights that they have the last

768
00:38:05,560 --> 00:38:08,160
Speaker 2: two years. Yeah, and this year was like gravy considering

769
00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:10,600
Speaker 2: Ben Johnson could have been a head coach last season,

770
00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:12,960
Speaker 2: just didn't like any of the jobs out there and

771
00:38:13,040 --> 00:38:13,840
Speaker 2: decided to return.

772
00:38:14,280 --> 00:38:17,759
Speaker 5: Now, obviously the defense, you're not gonna get hit in theory,

773
00:38:17,880 --> 00:38:22,720
Speaker 5: the injury bug and football gods move on to somewhere

774
00:38:22,920 --> 00:38:26,239
Speaker 5: some other squad and their locker room, because you know,

775
00:38:26,520 --> 00:38:30,120
Speaker 5: we're talking I guess I'd look at when the Packers

776
00:38:30,160 --> 00:38:32,160
Speaker 5: won the Super Bowl. They had that graphic that had

777
00:38:32,200 --> 00:38:35,600
Speaker 5: to be two slides long with the number of guys

778
00:38:35,640 --> 00:38:38,000
Speaker 5: that were on IR. That's kind of where we got

779
00:38:38,120 --> 00:38:43,200
Speaker 5: here with the Lions and defense. And again you play

780
00:38:43,280 --> 00:38:47,200
Speaker 5: Who's Up and you were still heavily favored and you lost.

781
00:38:47,360 --> 00:38:49,800
Speaker 5: But I mean this one leaves a hangover because you

782
00:38:49,840 --> 00:38:53,919
Speaker 5: can just lose. You got punched in the mouth repeatedly.

783
00:38:54,520 --> 00:38:55,160
Speaker 3: In this one.

784
00:38:56,040 --> 00:39:00,680
Speaker 5: And for this squad going forward, I mean, are you

785
00:39:00,719 --> 00:39:02,560
Speaker 5: gonna lose a bunch of guys from the front office too,

786
00:39:04,040 --> 00:39:06,839
Speaker 5: to some of your positional coaches. I mean, there there's

787
00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:09,560
Speaker 5: a lot that goes into it, and that's you know,

788
00:39:09,719 --> 00:39:11,879
Speaker 5: not to bleed too deep into the Bears. But that's

789
00:39:11,920 --> 00:39:14,520
Speaker 5: one of the big questions I have about Ben Johnson

790
00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:18,560
Speaker 5: is how much he leaned on those guys for messaging

791
00:39:19,040 --> 00:39:21,280
Speaker 5: and to be the like, how many shots of Antoine

792
00:39:21,360 --> 00:39:23,640
Speaker 5: Randall l and the other position coaches did you get

793
00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:27,480
Speaker 5: of them talking up while he was off doing you know,

794
00:39:28,040 --> 00:39:31,880
Speaker 5: wizardry stuff like sure, and a head coach has to

795
00:39:31,960 --> 00:39:34,160
Speaker 5: be that hands on guy like That's that was the

796
00:39:34,200 --> 00:39:36,520
Speaker 5: biggest criticism of the last two guys the Bears had

797
00:39:36,560 --> 00:39:39,480
Speaker 5: as a head coach was that that that wasn't their thing,

798
00:39:39,600 --> 00:39:41,800
Speaker 5: Like he could be their buddy, but he wasn't a

799
00:39:41,880 --> 00:39:44,560
Speaker 5: guy to you know, really set a tone in a

800
00:39:44,640 --> 00:39:47,000
Speaker 5: locker room. You didn't have that question with Dan Campbell

801
00:39:47,160 --> 00:39:50,560
Speaker 5: because he said it and everybody else followed or you

802
00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:53,080
Speaker 5: or you were going to be in trouble pretty fast,

803
00:39:53,640 --> 00:39:56,440
Speaker 5: and so you know those culture setters and whatever. So

804
00:39:56,560 --> 00:39:59,080
Speaker 5: you got Campbell. So I don't fear that it drops

805
00:39:59,160 --> 00:40:03,160
Speaker 5: off off the map. But in theory the division, I mean,

806
00:40:03,239 --> 00:40:05,560
Speaker 5: look at you had three teams. They've flamed out terribly

807
00:40:05,880 --> 00:40:09,799
Speaker 5: spectatularly in the playoffs, but Green Bay isn't going away.

808
00:40:10,120 --> 00:40:13,080
Speaker 5: They're still young. Jordan Love needs to cut down on

809
00:40:13,160 --> 00:40:16,040
Speaker 5: turnovers and everything else. But that's a conversation for another time.

810
00:40:16,680 --> 00:40:19,239
Speaker 5: In theory, the Bears were going to be better regardless

811
00:40:19,239 --> 00:40:23,640
Speaker 5: of who they install as their coach. And then Minnesota,

812
00:40:24,400 --> 00:40:27,680
Speaker 5: they won't repeat the wins, but they'll be a tough out.

813
00:40:29,280 --> 00:40:30,880
Speaker 2: And we don't know if Brian Flores is going to

814
00:40:30,920 --> 00:40:34,240
Speaker 2: return to Minnesota, of course, could have a huge effect

815
00:40:34,280 --> 00:40:37,440
Speaker 2: on Obviously, their quarterback situation.

816
00:40:37,280 --> 00:40:38,239
Speaker 3: Is one to watch.

817
00:40:38,360 --> 00:40:41,359
Speaker 2: But I will say this, you did land the big

818
00:40:41,480 --> 00:40:46,160
Speaker 2: fish of the coaching off season, Mike being able to

819
00:40:46,280 --> 00:40:48,800
Speaker 2: land Ben Johnson. I know Vrabel was out there, but

820
00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:51,160
Speaker 2: I don't know how much he was really out there

821
00:40:51,280 --> 00:40:53,600
Speaker 2: out there considering it seemed this.

822
00:40:53,880 --> 00:40:58,399
Speaker 3: New England thing was inevitable. Works, yeah, exactly for a while.

823
00:40:58,560 --> 00:41:01,279
Speaker 2: So I would say, if you are a Bears fan,

824
00:41:01,960 --> 00:41:04,879
Speaker 2: you're obviously excited because he did land the big fish

825
00:41:04,920 --> 00:41:08,280
Speaker 2: in the pond. But as we have discussed on this program,

826
00:41:08,880 --> 00:41:13,680
Speaker 2: sometimes that's not even doesn't translate to the season. As

827
00:41:13,760 --> 00:41:16,080
Speaker 2: we see dan Quinn having the success that he had,

828
00:41:16,600 --> 00:41:19,399
Speaker 2: and it felt like when the Commanders hired him last year,

829
00:41:19,520 --> 00:41:23,320
Speaker 2: it was just like, all right, we'll settle for dan Quinn.

830
00:41:23,520 --> 00:41:25,120
Speaker 2: And now that I went away from the Super Bowl, but.

831
00:41:25,120 --> 00:41:27,439
Speaker 5: Think about it, when he got hired, the last tape

832
00:41:27,480 --> 00:41:30,120
Speaker 5: we had of anything dan Quinn related was a one

833
00:41:30,120 --> 00:41:32,239
Speaker 5: P fifty eight point three put up by Jordan Love

834
00:41:32,600 --> 00:41:36,319
Speaker 5: forty eight points and forty eight points and an embarrassing

835
00:41:36,400 --> 00:41:40,960
Speaker 5: effort by a Dallas defense. And then he goes and

836
00:41:41,120 --> 00:41:44,640
Speaker 5: becomes a head coach and all of a sudden, all

837
00:41:44,719 --> 00:41:47,680
Speaker 5: the Ducks are and Arold Cliff Kingsbury's found is whatever

838
00:41:48,200 --> 00:41:51,680
Speaker 5: there was no second half swoon, right. They scuffled a

839
00:41:51,719 --> 00:41:54,520
Speaker 5: little bit offensively when Daniels was dealing with the ribs,

840
00:41:54,960 --> 00:41:59,280
Speaker 5: but otherwise you watched an offense which was Diami Brown

841
00:41:59,400 --> 00:42:01,759
Speaker 5: becomes a guy we're gonna be talking about as an

842
00:42:02,040 --> 00:42:05,880
Speaker 5: WR two coming into next year for fantasy purposes. By

843
00:42:05,880 --> 00:42:07,640
Speaker 5: the way, that catch when you know he had the

844
00:42:07,840 --> 00:42:11,000
Speaker 5: John Cena you can't see me from Arnold's hand in

845
00:42:11,080 --> 00:42:13,600
Speaker 5: his face, It's one of my favorite catch. I really

846
00:42:13,600 --> 00:42:16,640
Speaker 5: hope there's a trading card that comes out that catches that,

847
00:42:17,040 --> 00:42:18,480
Speaker 5: or at least an eight by ten. I can buy

848
00:42:18,520 --> 00:42:21,080
Speaker 5: it at an autograph show down the road. But yeah,

849
00:42:21,160 --> 00:42:23,360
Speaker 5: the Bears land the bell of the ball, right, so

850
00:42:23,480 --> 00:42:27,080
Speaker 5: they gave everybody what they wanted. I really was convinced

851
00:42:27,080 --> 00:42:28,879
Speaker 5: that Mike McCarthy was gonna end up being the guy

852
00:42:30,120 --> 00:42:34,360
Speaker 5: showed that he could perform in Dallas. Obviously, you faced

853
00:42:34,440 --> 00:42:37,600
Speaker 5: him all those years, and the McCaskey family, Hallis family

854
00:42:37,640 --> 00:42:41,799
Speaker 5: would know that for years. The addition of the Eddie

855
00:42:41,880 --> 00:42:44,720
Speaker 5: George interview over the weekend was one of those eyebrow

856
00:42:44,880 --> 00:42:49,080
Speaker 5: raiser But in the background, Dan, it's like, all right,

857
00:42:49,120 --> 00:42:53,040
Speaker 5: you got information from every walk of the college and

858
00:42:53,120 --> 00:42:57,600
Speaker 5: pro football world by including him, yes, right, and maybe

859
00:42:57,719 --> 00:43:00,640
Speaker 5: a few little little insights. Maybe you got a couple

860
00:43:00,719 --> 00:43:04,640
Speaker 5: of names of guys that Eddie George battled against for

861
00:43:04,800 --> 00:43:08,480
Speaker 5: Tennessee State. That's suddenly on day three in the draft,

862
00:43:09,000 --> 00:43:11,040
Speaker 5: you got a guy who talked him up and gave

863
00:43:11,120 --> 00:43:13,640
Speaker 5: you some insights, and you know, all of these guys

864
00:43:13,760 --> 00:43:16,240
Speaker 5: maybe just along the way. I think there were eighteen

865
00:43:16,320 --> 00:43:20,480
Speaker 5: official interviews plus Rabel what it was all said down and.

866
00:43:20,520 --> 00:43:23,360
Speaker 3: I told you my thoughts. I thought there should have

867
00:43:23,400 --> 00:43:23,879
Speaker 3: been five.

868
00:43:24,480 --> 00:43:27,280
Speaker 5: No, but that's the thing, right, is trying to piece

869
00:43:27,360 --> 00:43:29,800
Speaker 5: that out of you know, does it mean you're not

870
00:43:30,520 --> 00:43:33,399
Speaker 5: you don't know what you're doing, or you're passing time

871
00:43:33,880 --> 00:43:36,160
Speaker 5: seeing if you can get some insights. And then Ben

872
00:43:36,280 --> 00:43:38,719
Speaker 5: Johnson's unexpectedly available this week.

873
00:43:39,680 --> 00:43:43,359
Speaker 2: I think I think the lesson the lesson with Ben

874
00:43:43,480 --> 00:43:48,400
Speaker 2: Johnson in what Bears fans should realize. And I know

875
00:43:48,520 --> 00:43:51,840
Speaker 2: this doesn't work, Mike, because it's all about wins and losses,

876
00:43:52,719 --> 00:43:55,400
Speaker 2: but let's just make sure that he fixes whatever is

877
00:43:55,520 --> 00:43:58,560
Speaker 2: going on with Caleb Williams and hopefully the Bears can

878
00:43:58,680 --> 00:44:02,959
Speaker 2: fix their line dealing with it, because as we talked about,

879
00:44:02,960 --> 00:44:04,919
Speaker 2: I think it was on the last podcast, or maybe

880
00:44:04,960 --> 00:44:07,920
Speaker 2: it was the one before Dan Quinns went away from

881
00:44:07,960 --> 00:44:11,320
Speaker 2: the Super Bowl. Jim Harbaugh took the Chargers to the playoffs.

882
00:44:11,560 --> 00:44:15,800
Speaker 2: Mike McDonald won ten games of the Seahawks debut. But

883
00:44:15,920 --> 00:44:18,840
Speaker 2: the best coaching job this of the first year coaches

884
00:44:18,880 --> 00:44:22,320
Speaker 2: of this past season may have been Dave Canalis because

885
00:44:22,480 --> 00:44:26,319
Speaker 2: he appeared to have saved Bryce Young's career. And if

886
00:44:26,480 --> 00:44:29,240
Speaker 2: Ben Jonson could do that with Caleb Williams and the Bears,

887
00:44:30,239 --> 00:44:31,160
Speaker 2: then it's a home run.

888
00:44:31,239 --> 00:44:31,479
Speaker 3: Higher.

889
00:44:31,640 --> 00:44:34,560
Speaker 5: Well that's it there. Look there there was a lot

890
00:44:34,680 --> 00:44:41,080
Speaker 5: to like Williams, you know, full game in concerning how

891
00:44:42,120 --> 00:44:44,640
Speaker 5: horrible they were as an offense in the first quarter

892
00:44:44,719 --> 00:44:46,839
Speaker 5: of games. And this is where you know, you take

893
00:44:46,880 --> 00:44:48,200
Speaker 5: it with a grain of salt, right. We used to

894
00:44:48,280 --> 00:44:51,480
Speaker 5: laugh about Blake Bortles, not just because you know, the

895
00:44:51,520 --> 00:44:53,560
Speaker 5: good Place made fun of it all the time, but

896
00:44:53,760 --> 00:44:56,920
Speaker 5: also he was great when you were down and you

897
00:44:57,000 --> 00:44:58,800
Speaker 5: knew the Jaguars were't going to be any good, so

898
00:44:58,920 --> 00:45:00,520
Speaker 5: I was like, all right, he's gonna put up And

899
00:45:00,640 --> 00:45:02,200
Speaker 5: that was I think some of the fear because there

900
00:45:02,239 --> 00:45:04,000
Speaker 5: were a lot of graphics that were pretty easy to

901
00:45:04,040 --> 00:45:05,920
Speaker 5: put up. Of look at Kayleb Williams in the fourth

902
00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:08,279
Speaker 5: quarter of games, like, yeah, they were down seventeen going

903
00:45:08,360 --> 00:45:12,279
Speaker 5: into the fourth quarter, or they're down fourteen or whatever

904
00:45:12,360 --> 00:45:14,960
Speaker 5: the metric would be. It's like, yeah, you're playing against

905
00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:17,879
Speaker 5: a much different defense and in the first quarter they're

906
00:45:17,880 --> 00:45:21,040
Speaker 5: not generating points. Maybe he makes a play with his legs,

907
00:45:21,120 --> 00:45:23,520
Speaker 5: maybe he makes spectacular throat, because there were plenty of those.

908
00:45:23,880 --> 00:45:26,799
Speaker 5: But now it's about continuity and timing and getting him

909
00:45:26,840 --> 00:45:30,400
Speaker 5: to play on time. That's the big challenge for Ben Johnson.

910
00:45:30,480 --> 00:45:33,000
Speaker 5: Can you invoke that. You've got a lot of work

911
00:45:33,040 --> 00:45:33,200
Speaker 5: to do.

912
00:45:33,600 --> 00:45:33,759
Speaker 3: Right.

913
00:45:34,000 --> 00:45:37,080
Speaker 5: It's exciting because you gave everybody they want now, fans

914
00:45:37,480 --> 00:45:40,000
Speaker 5: and pundits in Chicago and I guess nationally have to

915
00:45:40,040 --> 00:45:43,479
Speaker 5: shut up. Right, You landed your guy, and he also

916
00:45:43,640 --> 00:45:47,360
Speaker 5: told pretty boy Tom Brady to go away by signing

917
00:45:47,440 --> 00:45:47,959
Speaker 5: with your parents.

918
00:45:48,000 --> 00:45:49,720
Speaker 3: There's already one to oh on the season.

919
00:45:49,840 --> 00:45:52,439
Speaker 5: How about that you won the off season by getting

920
00:45:52,480 --> 00:45:55,040
Speaker 5: this guy. But remember, you know the guy that's picking

921
00:45:55,080 --> 00:45:57,320
Speaker 5: the groceries also, and this is where you get the

922
00:45:57,360 --> 00:46:00,560
Speaker 5: Poles versus warn thing. You know, Poles also was the

923
00:46:00,600 --> 00:46:03,080
Speaker 5: guy that signed Nate Davis to a three year deal

924
00:46:03,719 --> 00:46:06,080
Speaker 5: and in the middle of this season while everything was

925
00:46:06,160 --> 00:46:10,200
Speaker 5: up in turmoil, quietly cut him where they eschewed the

926
00:46:10,360 --> 00:46:14,000
Speaker 5: drafting of an offensive lineman to go get another receiver.

927
00:46:14,080 --> 00:46:16,520
Speaker 5: It's like, you still don't have enough. I mean, Caleb

928
00:46:16,520 --> 00:46:19,239
Speaker 5: Williams that what did he have? Sixty eight sacks and

929
00:46:19,320 --> 00:46:23,520
Speaker 5: they're saying he avoided another fifty. So even if you

930
00:46:23,600 --> 00:46:25,920
Speaker 5: put a lot of that, we could put the majority

931
00:46:26,080 --> 00:46:28,839
Speaker 5: on Caleb Williams holding the ball too long. Still an

932
00:46:28,840 --> 00:46:32,600
Speaker 5: awful lot of offensive line problems that add to your

933
00:46:32,800 --> 00:46:37,040
Speaker 5: running back situation Rashawn Johnson, you know, in goal line situation.

934
00:46:37,120 --> 00:46:39,080
Speaker 5: I mean, remember when they called the lineman to carry

935
00:46:39,080 --> 00:46:42,880
Speaker 5: the ball, but DeAndre Swift likes to bounce to the outside,

936
00:46:43,480 --> 00:46:46,160
Speaker 5: so there's no calling plays between the tackles for him.

937
00:46:47,640 --> 00:46:50,279
Speaker 5: There's a lot of personnel questions you got and who

938
00:46:50,320 --> 00:46:52,919
Speaker 5: are your coordinators? Again owing to the fact this guy's

939
00:46:52,920 --> 00:46:56,600
Speaker 5: never been a head coach before, so Dennis Allen's name

940
00:46:56,600 --> 00:46:58,840
Speaker 5: has been out there. I know they interviewed Ron Rivera.

941
00:46:59,560 --> 00:47:02,239
Speaker 5: Maybe as a coordinator it works, but you're gonna need

942
00:47:02,280 --> 00:47:05,600
Speaker 5: some veteran staff, and not that you want to emulate

943
00:47:05,680 --> 00:47:08,520
Speaker 5: what they've gotten Detroit altogether, but that seemed to be

944
00:47:08,640 --> 00:47:11,239
Speaker 5: working pretty well, and if he just wants to be

945
00:47:11,320 --> 00:47:14,480
Speaker 5: the mad genius calling plays and working with Caleb Williams,

946
00:47:15,000 --> 00:47:17,200
Speaker 5: then it can work. But there's still a lot of

947
00:47:17,239 --> 00:47:21,880
Speaker 5: infrastructure that that's gonna have to happen before you know

948
00:47:22,000 --> 00:47:25,040
Speaker 5: you can put them to the promised Land and realize,

949
00:47:25,480 --> 00:47:28,120
Speaker 5: you know, those great returns because it's it's a heavy,

950
00:47:28,680 --> 00:47:31,040
Speaker 5: heavy task in that division to try to climb up.

951
00:47:31,680 --> 00:47:34,040
Speaker 2: All right, it is come to that point of the

952
00:47:34,120 --> 00:47:36,399
Speaker 2: podcast where it is prediction time.

953
00:47:37,200 --> 00:47:42,000
Speaker 3: Paint James will have you for my prediction pain. Two

954
00:47:42,120 --> 00:47:43,760
Speaker 3: games on Sunday.

955
00:47:44,280 --> 00:47:49,160
Speaker 2: NFC gets the first crack at it Washington Philadelphia AFC

956
00:47:49,760 --> 00:47:53,760
Speaker 2: the second game of the day Kansas City home to Buffalo.

957
00:47:54,400 --> 00:47:54,600
Speaker 3: Mike.

958
00:47:54,760 --> 00:47:57,320
Speaker 2: I'm gonna let Ian Roddy give us I like this

959
00:47:57,520 --> 00:48:00,520
Speaker 2: first go. You can follow Ian and then I'll follow

960
00:48:00,600 --> 00:48:04,600
Speaker 2: you Ian. Who plays who? In Super Bowl fifty nine.

961
00:48:04,960 --> 00:48:08,319
Speaker 6: So the ideal what I want to have happened would

962
00:48:08,320 --> 00:48:12,400
Speaker 6: be Commanders versus Bills. But I think the exact opposite

963
00:48:12,680 --> 00:48:15,319
Speaker 6: is what I actually expect to happen. I think it's

964
00:48:15,400 --> 00:48:18,879
Speaker 6: going to be Chiefs Eagles because a I cannot bet

965
00:48:18,920 --> 00:48:19,720
Speaker 6: against Mahomes.

966
00:48:20,280 --> 00:48:22,320
Speaker 4: I did it last year. I did it the year before.

967
00:48:22,480 --> 00:48:26,960
Speaker 6: I'm not doing it again. I really I've learned. So

968
00:48:27,200 --> 00:48:32,279
Speaker 6: I'm betting Mahomes and the Chiefs in the AFC and

969
00:48:32,400 --> 00:48:34,800
Speaker 6: then in the NFC. I really do think it's the Eagles,

970
00:48:34,880 --> 00:48:38,040
Speaker 6: and I think it's evenly matched. But it really does

971
00:48:38,120 --> 00:48:40,160
Speaker 6: come down to what you said, Dan, how the Commanders

972
00:48:40,239 --> 00:48:42,240
Speaker 6: came away with a close one in the regular season.

973
00:48:43,080 --> 00:48:44,880
Speaker 6: I just really think the Eagles are going to remember

974
00:48:44,920 --> 00:48:46,360
Speaker 6: that and they're going to be back for blood. So

975
00:48:47,000 --> 00:48:50,560
Speaker 6: Eagles Chiefs in the Super Bowl, and yeah, not looking

976
00:48:50,600 --> 00:48:51,279
Speaker 6: forward to that one.

977
00:48:51,360 --> 00:48:55,399
Speaker 2: But that's what I got, Mike, super Bowl fifty nine.

978
00:48:55,560 --> 00:48:58,280
Speaker 2: I forgot you and I both stuck with our picks

979
00:48:58,320 --> 00:49:01,320
Speaker 2: from the preseason. You change my mind? Last week I

980
00:49:01,360 --> 00:49:03,520
Speaker 2: would have went one to one either way. I lost

981
00:49:03,760 --> 00:49:07,680
Speaker 2: the Lions from my Super Bowl pick? How did yours fare?

982
00:49:07,719 --> 00:49:09,200
Speaker 2: Who was your super Bowl pick?

983
00:49:09,320 --> 00:49:11,040
Speaker 5: Well? I had a big four and oh weekend in

984
00:49:11,120 --> 00:49:11,560
Speaker 5: the Pros.

985
00:49:11,719 --> 00:49:14,520
Speaker 3: There you go, and then lost my ass.

986
00:49:14,400 --> 00:49:18,600
Speaker 5: In the National Title Game. Okay, sorry, buddy, that happens.

987
00:49:19,360 --> 00:49:21,160
Speaker 5: I'll take the forward one. And for a while it

988
00:49:21,200 --> 00:49:22,759
Speaker 5: looked like I was at least going to win with

989
00:49:22,920 --> 00:49:26,880
Speaker 5: the with the spread, but that did happen. Yeah, that

990
00:49:26,960 --> 00:49:30,680
Speaker 5: got me too. I had Philadelphia and Buffalo all right, Okay,

991
00:49:31,280 --> 00:49:34,640
Speaker 5: so that's where I shall stay. You know, we already

992
00:49:34,640 --> 00:49:37,239
Speaker 5: talked about it in terms of sloppiness. Forty seven and

993
00:49:37,280 --> 00:49:40,680
Speaker 5: a half is the total on this game, which seems

994
00:49:40,680 --> 00:49:44,440
Speaker 5: a bit high. Actually they're both forty seven and a

995
00:49:44,480 --> 00:49:47,360
Speaker 5: half Philly minus six forty seven and a half tickets

996
00:49:47,480 --> 00:49:50,880
Speaker 5: get in get the said Philadelphia five hundred and forty dollars.

997
00:49:51,760 --> 00:49:54,640
Speaker 5: Why because they're right in the same geographic location. So

998
00:49:54,719 --> 00:49:56,480
Speaker 5: it's a nice little days drive. You don't have to

999
00:49:56,520 --> 00:49:58,040
Speaker 5: get a hotel, you don't have to get a flight,

1000
00:49:58,880 --> 00:50:03,759
Speaker 5: drive on up Kansas City, Buffalow seventy nine. But yeah,

1001
00:50:03,920 --> 00:50:06,239
Speaker 5: I gotta stick and dance with who wrung me. And

1002
00:50:06,440 --> 00:50:09,239
Speaker 5: so long as Sakuon Barkley is getting ready to just

1003
00:50:09,360 --> 00:50:12,840
Speaker 5: have people jump on his back and run through, I

1004
00:50:13,120 --> 00:50:16,120
Speaker 5: can't go against that. And for Philadelphia, I also think

1005
00:50:16,200 --> 00:50:18,520
Speaker 5: that defensive line is going to cause Jade Daniels a

1006
00:50:18,600 --> 00:50:19,360
Speaker 5: lot of problems.

1007
00:50:20,200 --> 00:50:22,920
Speaker 3: We both you both like the Eagles.

1008
00:50:23,719 --> 00:50:25,799
Speaker 2: I said that I felt that they have a chip

1009
00:50:25,920 --> 00:50:28,399
Speaker 2: on their shoulder and will win on Sunday as well,

1010
00:50:29,120 --> 00:50:30,080
Speaker 2: So I will stick to that.

1011
00:50:30,280 --> 00:50:33,440
Speaker 3: So the question is do I do Ian or do

1012
00:50:33,600 --> 00:50:37,680
Speaker 3: I do Mike? That came off very weird. Pause.

1013
00:50:38,680 --> 00:50:41,719
Speaker 2: We'll choose a different way of phrasing it. Do I

1014
00:50:41,920 --> 00:50:45,839
Speaker 2: side with Ian? Do I side with Mike? It's late,

1015
00:50:46,040 --> 00:50:47,960
Speaker 2: you'll forgive me. I'm a little loose.

1016
00:50:48,080 --> 00:50:50,880
Speaker 5: That was pretty good though. I mean, you're you're coming

1017
00:50:50,920 --> 00:50:53,920
Speaker 5: down from the u fouria of a national titles. It

1018
00:50:53,960 --> 00:50:56,400
Speaker 5: has a lot of adrenaline. That's a lot of sweat equity.

1019
00:50:56,600 --> 00:50:56,759
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1020
00:50:57,680 --> 00:50:59,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, the team of cheered Force and so A seven

1021
00:50:59,840 --> 00:51:05,200
Speaker 2: is national champions and I'm losing my mind. The question

1022
00:51:05,480 --> 00:51:08,239
Speaker 2: is do I go with my heart or do I

1023
00:51:08,360 --> 00:51:12,680
Speaker 2: go with my head? And that's the true dilemma. And

1024
00:51:12,800 --> 00:51:15,400
Speaker 2: I am going to go with my heart. So that

1025
00:51:15,600 --> 00:51:18,640
Speaker 2: means I'm going with Mike Harmon. I want the Bills

1026
00:51:18,680 --> 00:51:21,520
Speaker 2: to go to the super Bowl. I think Kansas City

1027
00:51:21,600 --> 00:51:23,800
Speaker 2: wins the game, but I'm going to go with the

1028
00:51:23,880 --> 00:51:26,640
Speaker 2: Bills Eagle super Bowl matchup. So Ian, you're on the

1029
00:51:26,719 --> 00:51:29,680
Speaker 2: island yourself. I'll be hanging out with Mike with that

1030
00:51:29,800 --> 00:51:31,000
Speaker 2: Bill's Eagle super Bowl.

1031
00:51:31,040 --> 00:51:32,880
Speaker 4: Hey, that's all right, I'll hang out here alone.

1032
00:51:33,200 --> 00:51:35,520
Speaker 5: I just want to see us prep for the super

1033
00:51:35,560 --> 00:51:39,439
Speaker 5: Bowl and have the greatness that is Marv Levy out

1034
00:51:39,480 --> 00:51:41,400
Speaker 5: there doing interviews ninety.

1035
00:51:41,239 --> 00:51:43,800
Speaker 3: Nine years young. Oh, that would be amazing.

1036
00:51:44,040 --> 00:51:47,080
Speaker 5: Maybe a tribute to all those Bills teams because you know,

1037
00:51:47,160 --> 00:51:49,640
Speaker 5: it's always a reminder and it goes to all walks

1038
00:51:49,680 --> 00:51:51,840
Speaker 5: of life. Not to get all deep and philosophical, but

1039
00:51:52,000 --> 00:51:54,640
Speaker 5: we we do every once in a while as like

1040
00:51:55,239 --> 00:51:58,560
Speaker 5: might not always win, but damn it, you're in the fight.

1041
00:51:59,200 --> 00:52:01,200
Speaker 5: I mean, all those TEA teams that came up just short,

1042
00:52:01,280 --> 00:52:03,800
Speaker 5: Like I've got a card that actually commemorates the wide

1043
00:52:03,880 --> 00:52:06,600
Speaker 5: right from a two thousand and eight set. They did

1044
00:52:06,640 --> 00:52:09,760
Speaker 5: all the big moments in NFL history, and there's actually

1045
00:52:11,040 --> 00:52:15,279
Speaker 5: a painting from behind the perspective of Norwich, but all

1046
00:52:15,320 --> 00:52:18,000
Speaker 5: of those to go back to those like how improbable

1047
00:52:18,719 --> 00:52:20,680
Speaker 5: that run is and you could say it up against

1048
00:52:20,719 --> 00:52:23,520
Speaker 5: what the Chiefs have done that it's like it's such

1049
00:52:23,560 --> 00:52:27,240
Speaker 5: a different NFL, such a different way of constructing teams.

1050
00:52:27,800 --> 00:52:30,720
Speaker 5: And maybe Jim Kelly and Andre Reid and Thurman Thomas

1051
00:52:30,760 --> 00:52:33,680
Speaker 5: and those guys get a little bit of shine because

1052
00:52:33,719 --> 00:52:35,799
Speaker 5: of this run, and they sure as hell would during

1053
00:52:35,840 --> 00:52:38,440
Speaker 5: Super Bowl week and Dan in New Orleans you might

1054
00:52:38,480 --> 00:52:40,600
Speaker 5: actually get thrown through a table so I mean all

1055
00:52:40,719 --> 00:52:42,719
Speaker 5: of that, it has to happen.

1056
00:52:42,960 --> 00:52:47,320
Speaker 3: That actually could happen, that actually might happen, or it won't.

1057
00:52:48,040 --> 00:52:49,880
Speaker 3: I don't know anybody that's gonna lift me to be

1058
00:52:49,920 --> 00:52:51,800
Speaker 3: able to throw me through a table. I'll have to

1059
00:52:51,920 --> 00:52:56,120
Speaker 3: jump of challenge. Car Let's get challenge by somewhat.

1060
00:52:56,560 --> 00:52:58,520
Speaker 5: I was gonna say, don't say that too loudly, guys

1061
00:52:58,560 --> 00:53:00,480
Speaker 5: from Buffly, like I want in.

1062
00:53:01,280 --> 00:53:03,600
Speaker 2: All I'm gonna say is this because I thought about

1063
00:53:03,600 --> 00:53:05,960
Speaker 2: this the other day, because I thought about Jim Kelly,

1064
00:53:06,000 --> 00:53:07,879
Speaker 2: and I thought about Therman Thomas, and I thought about

1065
00:53:07,880 --> 00:53:11,920
Speaker 2: all those guys. Who's the bill during the span of

1066
00:53:12,239 --> 00:53:16,560
Speaker 2: the non playoff seasons that I think of the most,

1067
00:53:17,400 --> 00:53:18,560
Speaker 2: And it's Fred Jackson.

1068
00:53:19,000 --> 00:53:20,880
Speaker 3: Oh we all love Fred Jackson, Yes.

1069
00:53:20,840 --> 00:53:24,960
Speaker 2: Fred Jackson, Like it's like the Buffalo bill guy. So

1070
00:53:25,560 --> 00:53:27,600
Speaker 2: in addition to all those guys, I'd like to see

1071
00:53:27,640 --> 00:53:31,000
Speaker 2: it happen for Fred Jackson. But ultimately I just don't

1072
00:53:31,000 --> 00:53:33,040
Speaker 2: want to see a rematch of Super Bowl fifty seven.

1073
00:53:33,920 --> 00:53:35,960
Speaker 2: So if we could just get anything but Ian's pick

1074
00:53:36,160 --> 00:53:38,279
Speaker 2: Chiefs Eagles, I guess that would be him.

1075
00:53:38,360 --> 00:53:40,960
Speaker 4: I'm rooting against it too. I'm just surellowing my brain.

1076
00:53:40,800 --> 00:53:41,800
Speaker 3: Here yeah, I got you.

1077
00:53:42,400 --> 00:53:45,120
Speaker 5: I feel that I also would get vindicated for a

1078
00:53:45,239 --> 00:53:49,040
Speaker 5: lot of arguments on Fox Sports Radio advocating for the

1079
00:53:49,120 --> 00:53:50,800
Speaker 5: eventual greatness of Josh Allen.

1080
00:53:51,800 --> 00:53:55,320
Speaker 3: Sure. Yes, Mike's been on the train for a long long.

1081
00:53:55,200 --> 00:53:58,680
Speaker 5: Time, many many battles of he's just a running back.

1082
00:54:00,080 --> 00:54:03,000
Speaker 2: I ended up on the Josh Allen train through Fantasy football,

1083
00:54:03,880 --> 00:54:06,560
Speaker 2: and then George Reister was against him and I had

1084
00:54:06,600 --> 00:54:07,400
Speaker 2: to stick up for him.

1085
00:54:07,440 --> 00:54:09,440
Speaker 5: He's one of the guys that tried to fight me

1086
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Speaker 5: at every turn.

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Speaker 2: I was, all of a sudden, I'm on the passenger

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Speaker 2: train of Josh, of the Josh Allen fan Club, so

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Speaker 2: I was along for the ride.

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Speaker 5: Although I do hope that the Josh Allen the Runner

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Speaker 5: is available and ready to go against the Chiefs.

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Speaker 3: He's gonna need to be. It's gonna be a huge,

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Speaker 3: vital part of Sunday.

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Speaker 5: So fun, so exciting.

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Speaker 3: So coming up on our.

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Speaker 2: Next podcast, we're gonna leave our fun story, the Saga

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Speaker 2: of Byron Young for maybe another time. Could be one

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Speaker 2: of our top five stories. Maybe we'll do a countdown

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Speaker 2: at the end of the season from this past year

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Speaker 2: that we found out because there will be further episodes

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Speaker 2: coming up. We'll have a recap of conference championship week

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Speaker 2: next week, and then we'll get into Super Bowl stuff

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Speaker 2: and have a few more episodes for you as we

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Speaker 2: get into February. So for Mike Carmen and O ex

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Speaker 2: Acular producer Ian Roddy, I'm Dan Byer. Enjoy the games

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Speaker 2: on Sunday, enjoin us next time when we talk Super

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Speaker 2: Bowl fifty nine.

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Speaker 3: Right here on I want your flex