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Speaker 1: Hope you're enjoying an amazing holiday season. Welcome back to

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Speaker 1: a fresh new edition of Between the Horns, presented by

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Speaker 1: your Southern California Toyo to Dealers with Maurice Jones Drew

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Speaker 1: with DeMarco far I am JB Long. It is the

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Speaker 1: very best time of year to be in Los Angeles?

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Speaker 1: Don't you agree?

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, yes, it's December. We just said Christmas.

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Speaker 2: Fantastic Christmas. I hope right, good for me, have it

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Speaker 2: for you?

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Speaker 3: Great for me?

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Speaker 2: And we could have worn shirts if we want great

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Speaker 2: time to be you know what.

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna say. I finally started to thaw this morning

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Speaker 3: in the sixty five degree weather from the seventeen or

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Speaker 3: whatever it was. It feels like ten whatever was in

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Speaker 3: New York? Was it in the teens?

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Speaker 1: You know what? Game balls for both of you guys.

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Speaker 1: I knew DeMarco was gonna get one. Well, he had

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Speaker 1: to brave in that sideline like he did. Got that

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Speaker 1: high five from Kyron. That was cool. Good eyes by.

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Speaker 2: Messed up though, what because he stuck his hand out

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Speaker 2: and I hit his helmet instead of his hand, so

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Speaker 2: I left him hanging.

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Speaker 3: But it was good though.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it worked race, Jones drew. I mean, we were

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Speaker 1: on this show last week saying you're not built for

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Speaker 1: this and having some laughs. But what did you say?

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Speaker 1: You thugged it out.

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Speaker 3: I thugged it out for him, man, I didn't look.

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Speaker 3: JB wanted that window open. He wanted to hear the crowd.

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Speaker 3: He wanted to feel the elements and all.

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Speaker 1: Like.

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Speaker 3: I didn't go to bed until two o'clock in the

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Speaker 3: morning because I had to really give myself psyched up

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Speaker 3: back I was playing again. Yeah, and I did. And

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Speaker 3: then and then you know, I got on that plane

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Speaker 3: and I went to sleep, and they take everything out

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Speaker 3: of me. I envy that as soon as we get

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Speaker 3: on the plane, he's out.

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Speaker 2: But was it in the teams because I know I

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Speaker 2: was super cold, but I didn't I didn't hear the

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Speaker 1: A wind chill and it feels like temperature. For sure.

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Speaker 2: That was like a bear trap of a game, bro

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Speaker 2: And for the Rams to fight their way out of

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Speaker 2: that and to win that game I thought was huge.

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Speaker 2: I'm not sure what it meant for playoff seating or whatnot,

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Speaker 2: but to go there and to get a win in

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Speaker 2: those conditions at that time, of the day.

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Speaker 3: Phenomenal.

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Speaker 1: You know, I Alreadence didn't like me calling that a

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Speaker 1: trap game last week, but you agree it was a

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Speaker 1: potential bear trap.

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Speaker 3: It was a trap. I think I definitely I could have.

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Speaker 1: Done a better job clarifying that you can win trap games.

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Speaker 1: They're just a matter of your schedule and how they

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Speaker 1: set up. But that was a professional effort to.

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Speaker 2: Every trap doesn't snare an animal or it's football team.

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Speaker 2: You fought your way out of that. That was a

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Speaker 2: great win for this football team.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. I don't know if you ever watched those like shows,

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Speaker 3: the animal shows, when they catch the trap, they catch

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Speaker 3: like the bear, and then there's always a person that's

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Speaker 3: gonna come in there and help the bear out. They

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Speaker 3: gonna put a towel over, And that's kind of what

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Speaker 3: happened to the Rams, Like first drive, They're like, I'm

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Speaker 3: stuck my palm right, and then in all of as

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Speaker 1: So he yeah, you thought he was going down the naked.

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Speaker 3: In No, no, no, we're not. I'm glad you stopped him.

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Speaker 1: The other thing I love about this time you're in

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Speaker 1: Los Angeles, is you can drive anywhere this week between

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Speaker 1: Christmas and the new year. No school people aren't working.

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Speaker 1: There's parts of Los Angeles that you can visit that

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Speaker 1: you would never think about.

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Speaker 3: It took me twenty five minutes to get from Lax

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Speaker 3: to here.

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Speaker 1: It's nice.

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Speaker 3: Nice.

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Speaker 1: The best gift for Rams fans had to do that

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Speaker 1: clean injury right, wasn't not a thing to see on Tuesday.

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Speaker 1: We know Rob Hagnstein has popped up with a shoulder.

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Speaker 1: We'll get more details about that here today on Thursday.

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Speaker 1: But no better place to be than leading the division

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I clean injury report, getting that win, having the

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Speaker 2: team starting to click. Can we say, where are we

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Speaker 2: on the road to the best game the Rams have

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Speaker 2: played this season? I think we're getting closer or maybe

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Speaker 2: that was it?

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Speaker 3: What do you think?

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Speaker 1: I think it's still out there?

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Speaker 3: You think so, okay, there's more points to be had.

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Speaker 2: But as far as offense, defense, special teams, not hurting yourself,

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Speaker 2: digging yourself out of danger, I mean, that was one

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Speaker 3: So that was a Christmas present for me. Yeah, I

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Speaker 3: felt like the rams. They put themselves in a little

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Speaker 3: bit of a hole, but they were usually they climbed

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Speaker 3: When you look at Arizona's injury report right there's like

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Speaker 3: twelve dudes on there, you know, And so this time

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Speaker 3: You talked about Rob havenstau yet knock on wood, but

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Speaker 3: This game is about everyone's talented. It's who believes and

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Speaker 3: who doesn't. And that belief in each other is going

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Speaker 3: to continue to grow as long as they can stay

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Speaker 3: as healthy as they can.

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Speaker 1: So you touched on some of the elements that will

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Speaker 1: dig deeper on on this edition between the Horns. Who

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Speaker 1: want to get your final thoughts on the win in

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Speaker 1: the Meadowlands. Definitely a deep dive on the matchup with

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Speaker 1: the Arizona Cardinals, the rematch after like the deepest of

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Speaker 1: low's probably this season, back in Week two, right, But

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Speaker 1: there's a big game tonight, as you probably know, Seattle

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Speaker 1: going to Chicago. Should we run through the clinching scenarios?

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Speaker 3: Real? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? The Rams, as you know, are winners of four

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Speaker 1: straight two games remain, both of them at home the

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Speaker 1: Before we get into those scenarios, though, I think a

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Speaker 1: just win them both, keep it simple, win them both.

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Speaker 1: And I agree, I want to win them both. But

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Speaker 1: there's tremendous value I think for the Rams, especially when

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Speaker 1: you talk about that injury report, to be able to

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Speaker 1: potentially rest starters in Week eighteen. That's why I think

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Speaker 1: and why these scenarios are worth examining. Do you feel differently, No,

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Speaker 1: I know some people don't like to rest start as

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Speaker 1: if given the choice, that's what they want to do.

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Speaker 2: Those same people, are they not believing in trap games?

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Speaker 2: Those same Okay, I'm just saying it's a little bit.

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Speaker 3: I would say this too. Think of how important the

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Speaker 1: That's kind of Ryan. Would it be nice to sweep Seattle?

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Speaker 1: Would it be cool to get to eleven wins?

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Speaker 2: Yes, I think it's more fun not to play your

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Speaker 2: starters against your division, right.

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Speaker 1: Fair enough? Yeah, we can talk about the three seed too.

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Speaker 1: I think that would be absolutely beneficial. But I would prefer,

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Speaker 1: speaking only for myself, to do all those things with

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Speaker 1: it against the Seattle Seahawks. All right, So two paths.

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Speaker 1: Depending on when you're watching or listening to this show,

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Speaker 1: you might already know one of these outcomes. A Seattle

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Speaker 1: loss to Chicago on Thursday night football is the most

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Speaker 1: direct path of the Rams, because then win and clinch

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Speaker 1: Saturday is on the table. For the purposes of this

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Speaker 1: Rams win over the Cardinals, and at least four wins

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Speaker 1: by this group of teams all playing at home this weekend.

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Speaker 1: Cincinnati on Saturday against the Broncos, Washington against the Falcons,

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Speaker 1: the Dolphins. And I'll finish on this one Monday night

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Speaker 1: San Francisco against the Lions. Which leads me to the question,

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Speaker 1: could you bring yourself to root for the Niners on

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Speaker 1: Monday night football? I don't know if that's what it

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Speaker 3: I don't think you have.

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Speaker 1: You were counting on your fingers there, yeah, raise your head.

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Speaker 3: I was counting the games. I Detroit I think goes

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Speaker 3: into San Fran. They may win. San Fran is always

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Speaker 3: that's a game that I could see Cleveland winning regardless

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Speaker 3: regardless of who's a quarterback. It's cold. They don't play

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Speaker 3: a you have an issue there. Cincinnati is just rolling

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Speaker 3: which for the AFC, I know that's scary.

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Speaker 1: That's the only one the Rams will know when they

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Speaker 1: kick off Saturday against the cart.

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Speaker 3: And so to me, that you have a chance, it's

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Speaker 2: So this is three sides of one football team. So

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Speaker 2: I would let JB handle the math part. Like you said,

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Speaker 2: you're trying to go through and parse through. All I

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Speaker 2: heard is Rams win.

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Speaker 3: That's it.

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Speaker 2: That's That's all I would be focused on if I'm

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Speaker 2: coaching or playing, is just the Arizona Cardinals and whoever's next.

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Speaker 2: If they tell me we're off the next week against Seattle, great,

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Speaker 2: But all I am focusing on is Kyler Murray and

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Speaker 2: the Arizona Cardinals and what will be will be, So

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Speaker 2: it's three sides of the same thing we're talking about.

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Speaker 2: I think it's smart to keep an eye on what's

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Speaker 2: going on, but you can't lose sight of what's important.

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Speaker 2: The first thing you mentioned was Rams win.

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Speaker 1: There's no scenario on my sheet where the Rams lose

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Speaker 1: this weekend. We'll still clinch this week. That's got to

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Speaker 1: be number one. And I would rather like take care

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Speaker 1: and fight them. Yeah, because what's better than making the

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Speaker 1: playoffs sending somebody else home, especially your division rival. So

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Speaker 1: focus on what's the main thing?

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Speaker 3: Is the main thing? Beat the Cardinals? Well, I think

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Speaker 3: they did that last week because I remember last week

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Speaker 1: And just to spell that out, because I know we

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Speaker 3: That's the count room and they just high level. There.

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Speaker 1: They're not the three seed. Does the three seed potentially

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Speaker 2: You know, when I saw that on the sheet, I

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Speaker 3: But I looked.

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Speaker 2: I didn't know the three seed was dare I say curse?

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Speaker 2: Did you guys know that, like three seeds get knocked

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Speaker 2: There's there's something about three seeds, especially in the last

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Speaker 3: you just don't know what may happen in this situation.

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Speaker 3: To me, you always fight to be the highest seed

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Speaker 3: From there, right, Yeah, if you catch a hot team,

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Speaker 2: It's not an Olympic badminton where you try to pick

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Speaker 3: Anyway, the only thing I would prefer is that I

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Speaker 2: If I can keep my team here, great, That's the

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Speaker 2: go for the highest seeding. I don't care who we

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Speaker 3: It's so funny though, remember when the twenty twenty one

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Speaker 3: you just never know.

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Speaker 1: Last year, you remember being in Detroit and watching Green

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Speaker 1: this this reshapes the thinking in the NFC. I think

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Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, Like you're talking about Washington. They don't

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Speaker 3: Bobby Wagner is like he's over here breaking up fights

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Speaker 3: They're flying around for them to beat Philly the way

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Speaker 3: they beat Philly, and I know that Philly didn't have

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Speaker 3: Jaalen Hurts, but to go toe to toe with them

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Like, let me step out of la for one second.

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Speaker 2: I'm not shocked by the commanders at all. And it's

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Speaker 1: You gonna say it, because of ownership, that the whole organization.

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Speaker 2: Everything's changed, but him in particular. Yeah, I'm not surprised

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Speaker 3: Well?

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Speaker 2: I saw something. It's I don't know if we're going

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Speaker 2: It's a third and seven and they are backed up.

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Speaker 2: The Rams are so This is the Jets moment, and

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Speaker 2: they're what seventh rank defense, they can rush the passers.

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Speaker 2: a third and seven obvious passing down. So they give

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Speaker 2: you that exotic five look where they have a guy

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Speaker 3: So you saw some of that in New York. If

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Speaker 3: I was nervous because I was like, oh no, you're

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Speaker 3: down like they're going to they're pinning their ears back

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Speaker 3: Makes a guy miss first down, like little things like that. Yes,

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Speaker 3: If you remember earlier in the year, guys were like

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Speaker 3: coming free. Yeah, and to me that you're exactly right.

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Speaker 3: For me personally, it would be I'm looking more in

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Speaker 3: great job. They have to start winning special teams a

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Speaker 3: I thought Evans did a great job of putting the ball.

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Speaker 1: It put went down for the one yard line. Unfortunately

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Speaker 3: But he still yeah. Like to me, you have to

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Speaker 3: dominated every facet of that game. It wasn't a play

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Speaker 1: I'm looking for a dominant first quarter. I continue to

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Speaker 3: They started faster. Wasn't it three and out this time? No?

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Speaker 1: I know, but I'm saying there's a big difference between

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Speaker 1: to because it's Kyler Murray this week, to feel really

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Speaker 2: Everybody's moving and this is weird, just as just looking

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Speaker 2: So it seems like Kyler is settling into a more

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Speaker 2: I know he's he's banged up right now, but that

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Speaker 2: with you from here.

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Speaker 3: On out talking about the terminator, James Connor, I did

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Speaker 1: I don't even correct you when you do that because

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Speaker 1: I think that's perfect.

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Speaker 2: But he is, he's a monster, but he's more settling

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Speaker 2: want to do, find so be it. But from here

439
00:18:14,480 --> 00:18:17,720
Speaker 2: on out, every quarterback is mobile. Every quarterback's a threat.

440
00:18:17,760 --> 00:18:21,119
Speaker 2: Even Aaron Rodgers with in his advanced age, was a

441
00:18:21,240 --> 00:18:24,600
Speaker 2: threat running the football, and you have you've had problems

442
00:18:24,640 --> 00:18:27,200
Speaker 2: with that. So Kyler's not running like he did in

443
00:18:27,280 --> 00:18:30,120
Speaker 2: Week two, right, but there's always a chance he could

444
00:18:30,160 --> 00:18:32,600
Speaker 2: turn that on. So I think you have to guard

445
00:18:32,640 --> 00:18:36,040
Speaker 2: against that for this week, this Saturday, and get ready

446
00:18:36,080 --> 00:18:37,399
Speaker 2: for what's coming down the road.

447
00:18:37,720 --> 00:18:40,040
Speaker 1: Before we go deeper into the Arizona Cardinals. One other

448
00:18:40,119 --> 00:18:41,640
Speaker 1: thing from New York that I know we all want

449
00:18:41,680 --> 00:18:43,960
Speaker 1: to touch on, and that is the return of Tyler Higbee. Like,

450
00:18:44,080 --> 00:18:47,639
Speaker 1: take me inside that emotional moment for an organization, for

451
00:18:47,760 --> 00:18:50,720
Speaker 1: a locker room to have one of your captain caliber

452
00:18:50,840 --> 00:18:53,600
Speaker 1: players return to the field after eleven months of rehab

453
00:18:53,880 --> 00:18:55,280
Speaker 1: and pay that off with a touchdown.

454
00:18:56,000 --> 00:18:58,560
Speaker 3: I had a similar situation. We had a guy, Chris

455
00:18:58,680 --> 00:19:01,880
Speaker 3: Naoli who was cut and then we brought him back

456
00:19:02,200 --> 00:19:06,000
Speaker 3: and like it was exciting in practice and all this stuff,

457
00:19:06,000 --> 00:19:08,640
Speaker 3: and then he broke his hand and during warm ups

458
00:19:08,680 --> 00:19:11,320
Speaker 3: and it was it collapsed, Like we collapsed at that point,

459
00:19:11,440 --> 00:19:13,639
Speaker 3: like we were done for the year, just because like

460
00:19:13,760 --> 00:19:16,080
Speaker 3: you had all that energy. So I know what it's

461
00:19:16,200 --> 00:19:19,040
Speaker 3: like to have a guy battle back right off of injury.

462
00:19:19,040 --> 00:19:21,320
Speaker 3: I think he towards quad first, his quad did and

463
00:19:21,359 --> 00:19:23,280
Speaker 3: they let him go. He can battle back. But to

464
00:19:23,400 --> 00:19:26,640
Speaker 3: have Tyler Higbee all those surgeries come back, You see

465
00:19:26,720 --> 00:19:28,959
Speaker 3: him on the side working out, you're talking to him,

466
00:19:29,359 --> 00:19:31,200
Speaker 3: and then to get him in the game, to start

467
00:19:31,240 --> 00:19:33,480
Speaker 3: the game with him, you could see kind of how

468
00:19:33,520 --> 00:19:35,119
Speaker 3: it was like everybody was feeling good, and then to

469
00:19:35,160 --> 00:19:37,399
Speaker 3: see him score a touchdown was like to me, like

470
00:19:37,480 --> 00:19:40,920
Speaker 3: little things like that are stepping stones for that team

471
00:19:40,960 --> 00:19:42,200
Speaker 3: to keep playing at a high level.

472
00:19:42,200 --> 00:19:44,440
Speaker 2: They see him break down the after the game and

473
00:19:44,480 --> 00:19:46,960
Speaker 2: all that stuff, like they love him and what he

474
00:19:47,040 --> 00:19:50,240
Speaker 2: brings to the game. This year just fantastic and I

475
00:19:50,440 --> 00:19:52,600
Speaker 2: did play. Note Naoli, He's on the short list of

476
00:19:52,640 --> 00:19:54,879
Speaker 2: guys that have kicked my ass. He's a tough guy.

477
00:19:55,000 --> 00:19:56,440
Speaker 3: He was good. Oh my god, he was good.

478
00:19:56,480 --> 00:20:00,600
Speaker 2: But seeing Higgs come back and see in the emotion

479
00:20:00,880 --> 00:20:04,240
Speaker 2: and before that, seeing how much his face when he

480
00:20:05,160 --> 00:20:07,440
Speaker 2: wasn't allowed to play, he wasn't healthy enough to play,

481
00:20:07,480 --> 00:20:09,400
Speaker 2: you could tell he wanted to. And then now he's

482
00:20:09,480 --> 00:20:12,120
Speaker 2: in pads and he was damn near glowing before the game.

483
00:20:12,280 --> 00:20:15,639
Speaker 2: So I didn't think he was going to score, but

484
00:20:15,800 --> 00:20:17,560
Speaker 2: I knew there was going to be a train wreck

485
00:20:17,640 --> 00:20:20,520
Speaker 2: at the end of that first reception somewhere, And yeah,

486
00:20:20,680 --> 00:20:23,520
Speaker 2: the reaction of the team and the coaching staff when

487
00:20:23,560 --> 00:20:26,280
Speaker 2: he did score. He means a lot to this offense.

488
00:20:26,720 --> 00:20:29,639
Speaker 2: He means a lot to this football teams. So to

489
00:20:29,720 --> 00:20:33,200
Speaker 2: have him back, to see him score was huge. We

490
00:20:33,480 --> 00:20:35,760
Speaker 2: have been looking for a spark, a thing that could

491
00:20:35,880 --> 00:20:38,399
Speaker 2: just galvanize this football team. It could be that because

492
00:20:38,440 --> 00:20:41,639
Speaker 2: I haven't seen any play or a player that brought

493
00:20:41,760 --> 00:20:44,560
Speaker 2: everybody to the sideline or off the sideline when he scored.

494
00:20:44,640 --> 00:20:47,000
Speaker 2: So having him back was huge for this football ta.

495
00:20:47,040 --> 00:20:48,320
Speaker 1: Remember in the first month of the year when we

496
00:20:48,400 --> 00:20:50,320
Speaker 1: were talking about guys were just being asked to do

497
00:20:50,440 --> 00:20:53,240
Speaker 1: a little bit too much like reserves were asked to

498
00:20:53,320 --> 00:20:56,200
Speaker 1: be starters. Starters were asked to be stars. I feel

499
00:20:56,280 --> 00:20:58,600
Speaker 1: like that could be happening right now in the tight

500
00:20:58,720 --> 00:21:00,760
Speaker 1: end riom. And what I mean by that is Tyler

501
00:21:00,920 --> 00:21:04,280
Speaker 1: might be the best receiving and blocking tight end on

502
00:21:04,359 --> 00:21:07,720
Speaker 1: the roster, but using him in conjunction with Hunter Long

503
00:21:07,760 --> 00:21:10,800
Speaker 1: looked really good. Using him in conjunction with Kobe Parkinson,

504
00:21:10,880 --> 00:21:14,480
Speaker 1: I think stresses a defense differently than when you're just

505
00:21:14,600 --> 00:21:17,240
Speaker 1: living out of eleven without Tyler Higby? Am I wrong?

506
00:21:17,800 --> 00:21:20,280
Speaker 3: I completely agree? You have You got to think about it.

507
00:21:20,400 --> 00:21:22,680
Speaker 3: Higby was six to six. You have him in six seven,

508
00:21:22,720 --> 00:21:25,320
Speaker 3: stretching the field vertical. That's that's tough for anybody to

509
00:21:25,359 --> 00:21:27,000
Speaker 3: go and get. Who do you stop on the top

510
00:21:27,040 --> 00:21:29,399
Speaker 3: of having Pookinnakua and Cooper Cup on the outside with

511
00:21:29,480 --> 00:21:31,639
Speaker 3: Kyra in the backfield, it just makes you more of

512
00:21:31,680 --> 00:21:35,359
Speaker 3: a versatile offense, right because now we saw it, David

513
00:21:35,400 --> 00:21:37,520
Speaker 3: Allen got in for a play and now guys are

514
00:21:37,600 --> 00:21:39,879
Speaker 3: just moving in. How do you play all these different

515
00:21:39,960 --> 00:21:43,359
Speaker 3: sets in formations with these different personnels, and not only

516
00:21:43,440 --> 00:21:45,639
Speaker 3: different personnels, now it was different people in He like,

517
00:21:45,840 --> 00:21:47,800
Speaker 3: now there's a Mark slide leak. Yeah, yeah, Now it's

518
00:21:47,840 --> 00:21:50,560
Speaker 3: DeMarcus Robinson. Now it's this like, now you have to

519
00:21:50,640 --> 00:21:53,360
Speaker 3: you're forcing the decordinator stay up late at night to say, well,

520
00:21:53,400 --> 00:21:54,640
Speaker 3: this is what they like to do with this guy,

521
00:21:54,920 --> 00:21:56,200
Speaker 3: and this is what they like to do with this guy,

522
00:21:56,240 --> 00:21:59,000
Speaker 3: and maybe we have to call like each each play.

523
00:21:59,119 --> 00:22:00,520
Speaker 3: And it's so funny because I just got off the

524
00:22:00,560 --> 00:22:03,600
Speaker 3: phone last night with my buddy who coaches defense. He

525
00:22:03,760 --> 00:22:07,080
Speaker 3: was like, depending on the personnel and the people in

526
00:22:07,160 --> 00:22:08,840
Speaker 3: that personnel depends on the play call that I'm going

527
00:22:08,920 --> 00:22:11,520
Speaker 3: to have. Yeah, oh yeah, yeah yeah right. So if

528
00:22:11,560 --> 00:22:15,720
Speaker 3: it's eleven personnel with DeMarcus Robinson and Tyler Higby's a

529
00:22:15,760 --> 00:22:19,040
Speaker 3: different eleven personnel with two two out well and Kobe Parkerson.

530
00:22:19,040 --> 00:22:20,119
Speaker 3: That's a different play call for them.

531
00:22:20,200 --> 00:22:22,760
Speaker 2: Well I got this defensively right, it's eleven personnel, and

532
00:22:22,760 --> 00:22:24,439
Speaker 2: I got Pooka on the move and Cooper over here,

533
00:22:24,520 --> 00:22:26,239
Speaker 2: so I got a lot of attention here.

534
00:22:26,480 --> 00:22:28,320
Speaker 3: Now what you just saw on film is I got.

535
00:22:28,359 --> 00:22:30,840
Speaker 2: To worry about backside too, exactly, because if we're short

536
00:22:30,840 --> 00:22:32,920
Speaker 2: handed or we leave this guy one on one, it

537
00:22:33,119 --> 00:22:36,440
Speaker 2: used to be with, we're comfortable going against Rams tight

538
00:22:36,560 --> 00:22:37,720
Speaker 2: ends one on one.

539
00:22:38,040 --> 00:22:40,679
Speaker 3: Now this guy's a problem. Yeah, you spread the entire defense.

540
00:22:40,760 --> 00:22:44,120
Speaker 2: So, like I said, huge for this offense having him back,

541
00:22:44,320 --> 00:22:46,800
Speaker 2: because I agree I hands down he's the best tight

542
00:22:46,880 --> 00:22:47,200
Speaker 2: end you have.

543
00:22:47,400 --> 00:22:48,320
Speaker 3: I think he just proved that.

544
00:22:48,920 --> 00:22:52,080
Speaker 2: So that creates problem defensively, and he's also giving you

545
00:22:52,160 --> 00:22:54,800
Speaker 2: a lift emotionally. He's one of your leaders, coming back

546
00:22:54,840 --> 00:22:56,560
Speaker 2: to the field when you need him the most.

547
00:22:56,640 --> 00:22:59,320
Speaker 1: But you're saying the Rams are better in eleven and

548
00:22:59,440 --> 00:23:00,359
Speaker 1: they're better in twelve.

549
00:23:00,560 --> 00:23:04,040
Speaker 3: Twelve, Yes, he just he adds, and don't expect thirteen.

550
00:23:04,280 --> 00:23:06,399
Speaker 3: You'll see some thirteen. You're gonna see a lot of

551
00:23:06,440 --> 00:23:08,879
Speaker 3: different things coming at you because of their ability to

552
00:23:08,920 --> 00:23:09,880
Speaker 3: catch the ball and block.

553
00:23:09,960 --> 00:23:12,280
Speaker 1: I know that illegal shift on Hunter was frustrating, but

554
00:23:12,440 --> 00:23:14,800
Speaker 1: it doesn't negate the fact that that play hit Oh

555
00:23:14,840 --> 00:23:15,680
Speaker 1: oh no big time.

556
00:23:16,119 --> 00:23:18,320
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, frustrating, But at the end of the day,

557
00:23:18,440 --> 00:23:21,080
Speaker 3: like you know, you have again, there's just different guys

558
00:23:21,119 --> 00:23:23,600
Speaker 3: that can do different things. Like I'm literally talking to

559
00:23:23,720 --> 00:23:26,920
Speaker 3: this My friend was like, how do you he goes,

560
00:23:27,040 --> 00:23:30,359
Speaker 3: I have to have play calls for like eleven personnel,

561
00:23:30,880 --> 00:23:35,399
Speaker 3: Higbee eleven personnel to too at well, so now this

562
00:23:35,600 --> 00:23:37,280
Speaker 3: is just you can't just be like Cover three like

563
00:23:37,359 --> 00:23:39,640
Speaker 3: they were. Another part is think about when you're talking

564
00:23:39,640 --> 00:23:41,720
Speaker 3: about when the Rams had all the different reserves playing,

565
00:23:41,920 --> 00:23:43,600
Speaker 3: you can just go out there and call whatever coverage

566
00:23:43,600 --> 00:23:45,560
Speaker 3: you wanted because you felt like you had an advantage.

567
00:23:45,960 --> 00:23:48,040
Speaker 3: Now you have to be specific in what you do,

568
00:23:48,119 --> 00:23:50,520
Speaker 3: which puts more pressure on you as a coach, but

569
00:23:50,640 --> 00:23:53,560
Speaker 3: more pressure on your players to execute because it's depending

570
00:23:53,600 --> 00:23:55,639
Speaker 3: on where guys are and the motions and the shifts.

571
00:23:56,160 --> 00:23:57,000
Speaker 3: It's gonna be tough.

572
00:23:57,080 --> 00:23:59,400
Speaker 2: To your point about the illegal motion on Hunter Long,

573
00:23:59,440 --> 00:24:01,639
Speaker 2: I don't think that helped to play pop That play popped.

574
00:24:01,760 --> 00:24:04,359
Speaker 2: He just yeah, yeah, yeah, that was a hell of

575
00:24:04,400 --> 00:24:05,800
Speaker 2: a run play and great blocking up front.

576
00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:07,560
Speaker 1: I'm just saying some people might be listening saying, why

577
00:24:07,560 --> 00:24:08,640
Speaker 1: are they talking about Hunter Long?

578
00:24:08,720 --> 00:24:09,960
Speaker 3: That was? That was No.

579
00:24:10,200 --> 00:24:13,240
Speaker 1: I think I think he's really emerged as a second

580
00:24:13,359 --> 00:24:15,880
Speaker 1: tight end or a complimentary tight end in recent weeks,

581
00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:17,520
Speaker 1: especially with respect to the running game.

582
00:24:17,600 --> 00:24:20,679
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, but just you know, on the launch time, two.

583
00:24:20,680 --> 00:24:23,680
Speaker 1: Elements to this game with the Cardinals, and we'll get

584
00:24:23,720 --> 00:24:26,359
Speaker 1: to where the Cardinals are in week seventeen in just

585
00:24:26,400 --> 00:24:29,480
Speaker 1: a second. But let's rewind time to week two. I

586
00:24:29,640 --> 00:24:34,000
Speaker 1: want your recollections of that loss and what bearing, if any,

587
00:24:34,080 --> 00:24:36,120
Speaker 1: it has on what we're about to see Saturday.

588
00:24:36,160 --> 00:24:38,880
Speaker 2: Okay, so I'm sure we've both been through this. We've

589
00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:40,760
Speaker 2: been on teams that weren't so good and teams that

590
00:24:40,800 --> 00:24:44,359
Speaker 2: were very good. Right, So we've matched up against the

591
00:24:44,480 --> 00:24:47,159
Speaker 2: opposite on game day, and every now and then you

592
00:24:47,240 --> 00:24:50,000
Speaker 2: get a perfect storm. I think Arizona was clicking that

593
00:24:50,119 --> 00:24:52,720
Speaker 2: day because that was their best day by far, And

594
00:24:52,960 --> 00:24:55,840
Speaker 2: I think as much as they were clicking, the Rams weren't.

595
00:24:56,240 --> 00:24:59,400
Speaker 2: And you both met in Arizona and it just looked

596
00:24:59,400 --> 00:25:02,400
Speaker 2: the way it looked. I don't think they're forty one

597
00:25:02,440 --> 00:25:05,600
Speaker 2: points better than you. I think that just happened way

598
00:25:05,720 --> 00:25:09,080
Speaker 2: back then. So the team that the Cardinals will see

599
00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:11,639
Speaker 2: this Saturday is not the team they played in September

600
00:25:12,160 --> 00:25:12,520
Speaker 2: at all.

601
00:25:13,040 --> 00:25:14,960
Speaker 3: So well, yeah, for sure, because you had half the

602
00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:18,040
Speaker 3: team was on ir right, Trey White was here, which

603
00:25:18,080 --> 00:25:20,119
Speaker 3: he's not here anymore, and he was playing tight coverage

604
00:25:20,119 --> 00:25:23,520
Speaker 3: on Marvin Harrison. You're being nice. I mean he was

605
00:25:23,600 --> 00:25:25,440
Speaker 3: on on that first touchdown, he was on them the

606
00:25:25,520 --> 00:25:30,680
Speaker 3: second one. But what I will say this, watching the

607
00:25:30,760 --> 00:25:34,200
Speaker 3: hard knocks with the AMC North and them talk about

608
00:25:34,280 --> 00:25:38,080
Speaker 3: certain rules for certain quarterbacks. You have to have Kyler rules, right.

609
00:25:38,320 --> 00:25:41,560
Speaker 3: Kyler rules are you want to be a passer awesome,

610
00:25:41,640 --> 00:25:44,240
Speaker 3: that's what we want you to be. Stay in the pocket,

611
00:25:44,320 --> 00:25:45,960
Speaker 3: make them throw through the trees. When the Rams have

612
00:25:46,040 --> 00:25:48,560
Speaker 3: been successful, they've always found a way to keep them

613
00:25:48,560 --> 00:25:51,160
Speaker 3: in the pocket. They didn't do stunts. They just collapsed

614
00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:53,320
Speaker 3: the pocket on them, and then Aaron would always puncture

615
00:25:53,320 --> 00:25:55,280
Speaker 3: and go through. Well, you have four guys that can

616
00:25:55,440 --> 00:25:58,119
Speaker 3: pretty much puncture the pocket, so you don't need a

617
00:25:58,160 --> 00:26:00,800
Speaker 3: stunt and do all though. You don't need to blitz staying.

618
00:26:00,960 --> 00:26:03,959
Speaker 3: Let those those guys rush and cover right, and that's

619
00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:06,199
Speaker 3: when the Rams have been best. Defensively. The other thing

620
00:26:06,280 --> 00:26:07,520
Speaker 3: is is when you get a chance to hit him,

621
00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:09,480
Speaker 3: you have to try to go hit him, which makes

622
00:26:09,520 --> 00:26:10,000
Speaker 3: him slide.

623
00:26:10,280 --> 00:26:11,960
Speaker 2: He gets a little flustered. Against some coups, we have

624
00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:14,280
Speaker 2: to have Kyler rules defensively. Some problem, no one gets

625
00:26:14,280 --> 00:26:14,639
Speaker 2: to hit him.

626
00:26:14,800 --> 00:26:16,720
Speaker 1: Let me push back and let me play Devil's after.

627
00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:19,359
Speaker 1: I completely understand and agree with what you're saying. But

628
00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:21,840
Speaker 1: this guy had a perfect passer rating against the Rams

629
00:26:21,840 --> 00:26:23,520
Speaker 1: in week two. Why would you want to let him

630
00:26:23,560 --> 00:26:25,199
Speaker 1: beat you from the pocket the.

631
00:26:25,240 --> 00:26:26,800
Speaker 3: Same way because I know, because I know what it's

632
00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:30,240
Speaker 3: like when he gets outside. Yeah, yea, yeah, it's like

633
00:26:30,280 --> 00:26:32,240
Speaker 3: it's like Aaron Rodgers where we had the conversation last

634
00:26:32,280 --> 00:26:34,639
Speaker 3: week about like, look like you don't want Aaron on

635
00:26:34,720 --> 00:26:36,800
Speaker 3: the move because he's When he's on the move, it's deadly,

636
00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:38,760
Speaker 3: it's scary. And that's what he was when when the

637
00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:41,560
Speaker 3: Rams kept him in the pocket. Even though it sounds crazy,

638
00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:43,919
Speaker 3: it's the same with Josh Allen. All these quarterbacks keep

639
00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:45,480
Speaker 3: him in the pocket because at least you know where

640
00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:47,280
Speaker 3: they are and you have eyes on them. Once they

641
00:26:47,320 --> 00:26:49,400
Speaker 3: get out of the pocket and now you're chasing, that's

642
00:26:49,440 --> 00:26:50,879
Speaker 3: when your coverage gets a little wonky.

643
00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:53,760
Speaker 2: So I would add this right part of Mike Kyler

644
00:26:53,880 --> 00:26:56,280
Speaker 2: rules is if he's going to scramble and he's going

645
00:26:56,359 --> 00:26:58,560
Speaker 2: to the guy is like you said, we all love

646
00:26:58,640 --> 00:27:00,800
Speaker 2: his talent, appreciate his talent, but if he and he's

647
00:27:00,840 --> 00:27:02,920
Speaker 2: gonna break contain at some point. But if he does,

648
00:27:03,240 --> 00:27:05,320
Speaker 2: and this is an edge rusher's game, you have to

649
00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:08,480
Speaker 2: make him go up the field and stay between the

650
00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:10,840
Speaker 2: hashmarks so you can get a shout out exactly I

651
00:27:10,880 --> 00:27:14,080
Speaker 2: think he's one of the hardest quarterbacks to hit period.

652
00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:16,399
Speaker 2: When he's in the pocket, he just doesn't get hit.

653
00:27:16,840 --> 00:27:20,040
Speaker 2: And the guy can absolutely flat move. So I would say,

654
00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:22,280
Speaker 2: if he does scramble, make him pay for it. And

655
00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:25,320
Speaker 2: if he's a pocket passer, like I said, make him

656
00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:27,160
Speaker 2: throw from a hole from the pocket.

657
00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:29,400
Speaker 3: Because he's not that tall exactly. That's just to get

658
00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:31,680
Speaker 3: the ball out. So but it's easier said than done

659
00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:36,040
Speaker 3: to keep that little hamster guy in the cage. It's tough.

660
00:27:36,080 --> 00:27:38,240
Speaker 3: I would say. I remember a couple of years ago

661
00:27:38,359 --> 00:27:41,560
Speaker 3: when the Rams lost the Cardinals at home and Raheem

662
00:27:41,600 --> 00:27:43,800
Speaker 3: Morris was doing all these blitzes and stunting and trying

663
00:27:43,840 --> 00:27:45,840
Speaker 3: to get him on the move. And I understand that,

664
00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:47,600
Speaker 3: like you're like, we're gonna do this, We're gonna have

665
00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:50,320
Speaker 3: a guy waiting on him. Yeah, but Kyler Murray runs

666
00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:52,080
Speaker 3: a four two forty, Like there's no one on your

667
00:27:52,119 --> 00:27:55,040
Speaker 3: defense that's gonna run with this young man. So that's

668
00:27:55,080 --> 00:27:56,480
Speaker 3: why I get. That's why I say keep him in

669
00:27:56,520 --> 00:27:58,639
Speaker 3: the pocket. The other part I say keep him in

670
00:27:58,680 --> 00:28:00,440
Speaker 3: the pocket, I mean he has to go to Russians.

671
00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:03,280
Speaker 3: And if you watch Kyler Murray, he doesn't really go

672
00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:06,359
Speaker 3: through progressions. It's one two and the balls out or

673
00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:09,040
Speaker 3: one two and he's taken off right, and so force

674
00:28:09,119 --> 00:28:11,200
Speaker 3: him to have to sit in that pocket, feel those

675
00:28:11,280 --> 00:28:14,240
Speaker 3: linemen around him, all those different things, and then that

676
00:28:14,359 --> 00:28:17,240
Speaker 3: helps on the other side of it. Though, I'll say,

677
00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:18,639
Speaker 3: and we've said this before, it was supposed to be

678
00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:21,760
Speaker 3: a tight ends game against Arizona and it wasn't a

679
00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:24,880
Speaker 3: tight ends game against Arizona. And I think that's part

680
00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:27,679
Speaker 3: of your Arizona rules is that it's time for your

681
00:28:27,760 --> 00:28:29,320
Speaker 3: tight end. They have to step up in this game

682
00:28:29,359 --> 00:28:31,679
Speaker 3: in order to make plays. Granted you didn't have Puka

683
00:28:31,720 --> 00:28:33,879
Speaker 3: Nakupa and Cooper Cup got hurt in that game. But

684
00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:37,600
Speaker 3: if your tight ends get going, like we talked what

685
00:28:37,800 --> 00:28:40,240
Speaker 3: we just kind of talked about, all of a sudden,

686
00:28:40,280 --> 00:28:42,640
Speaker 3: now those linebackers have to cover. They can't fit in

687
00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:45,000
Speaker 3: that run game. They have to worry about a tight

688
00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:47,680
Speaker 3: end going to the flat, or they have to second

689
00:28:47,720 --> 00:28:49,200
Speaker 3: guests a little bit. They have to start guessing. They

690
00:28:49,240 --> 00:28:52,480
Speaker 3: can't focus on their keys. And so to me, when

691
00:28:52,520 --> 00:28:54,520
Speaker 3: you play the Arizona Cardinals over the last couple of years,

692
00:28:54,920 --> 00:28:56,960
Speaker 3: and we've always talked about this and granted, I'm in

693
00:28:57,040 --> 00:28:59,840
Speaker 3: the Fantasy Championship, so may I may figure it out,

694
00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:02,480
Speaker 3: but it has to be a tight ends game for

695
00:29:02,520 --> 00:29:04,440
Speaker 3: the Rams win when they've always won. It's been a

696
00:29:04,520 --> 00:29:06,440
Speaker 3: tight ends game against the Cardinals, and then they've kept

697
00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:08,400
Speaker 3: Connor in the pocket. Those are two things I remember

698
00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:10,840
Speaker 3: more than anything. I know. C. J. Anderson ran well,

699
00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:12,920
Speaker 3: but it was still a tight ends game. And so

700
00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:15,720
Speaker 3: if your tight ends get going, you have success.

701
00:29:15,840 --> 00:29:18,440
Speaker 1: I literally forgot until this moment how much you love

702
00:29:18,520 --> 00:29:20,440
Speaker 1: Tyler Higbee against the Arizona car level.

703
00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:22,760
Speaker 3: He's still out there too. I may go get him,

704
00:29:22,840 --> 00:29:23,280
Speaker 3: but we'll see.

705
00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:26,880
Speaker 1: Do you have James Connor? No, all right, we'll see

706
00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:29,719
Speaker 1: about him running back. Michael Carter might get a lot

707
00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:32,040
Speaker 1: of carries. If Connor and Trey Benson don't play, we

708
00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:35,360
Speaker 1: shall see You've got both. Done a great job laying

709
00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:37,400
Speaker 1: out a lot of the similarities and differences. Let me

710
00:29:37,520 --> 00:29:39,560
Speaker 1: just fill in some blanks, because for those of us

711
00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:42,960
Speaker 1: who don't remember, Warren McLendon and Jonah Jackson started on

712
00:29:43,040 --> 00:29:46,480
Speaker 1: the offensive line that day. Alaret Jackson and Steve Avila

713
00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:49,560
Speaker 1: will start on Saturday. I think Kay Dot's a different player.

714
00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:52,680
Speaker 1: Kevin Dotson in September versus where he is right the

715
00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:54,360
Speaker 1: right side, completely different.

716
00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:57,760
Speaker 3: I think he's I think because of Haven style, he's

717
00:29:57,840 --> 00:30:00,800
Speaker 3: so much more comfortable there. And then with Bo, those

718
00:30:00,840 --> 00:30:03,200
Speaker 3: two guys made him comfortable. Yeah, and now you're seeing

719
00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:04,600
Speaker 3: the version of him that you want to see.

720
00:30:04,560 --> 00:30:06,600
Speaker 1: You said. Puka did not play that day. Of course,

721
00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:09,800
Speaker 1: Cooper was injured before the half on the defensive side

722
00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:12,400
Speaker 1: of the football. Not only was Darius Williams on injury

723
00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:15,080
Speaker 1: reserve for that first month. He'll play this weekend. Keller

724
00:30:15,160 --> 00:30:17,280
Speaker 1: Witherspoon had not been signed to the active roster, and

725
00:30:17,320 --> 00:30:19,400
Speaker 1: I think he's had two really good weeks against the

726
00:30:19,480 --> 00:30:23,280
Speaker 1: Niners and the Jets, and Cam Kinchen's only played nine snaps.

727
00:30:23,320 --> 00:30:25,880
Speaker 1: I don't think we've probably talked enough about the way

728
00:30:25,960 --> 00:30:27,720
Speaker 1: he's grown into his rookie role.

729
00:30:27,840 --> 00:30:30,640
Speaker 3: Big hit, yeah, mat big hits. It's funny.

730
00:30:30,760 --> 00:30:34,760
Speaker 2: This football team's This football team here grows safeties, they

731
00:30:34,840 --> 00:30:37,880
Speaker 2: really do. Safeties come in and they get better and

732
00:30:38,080 --> 00:30:40,600
Speaker 2: they become solid pros. Either you keep them or they don't.

733
00:30:40,680 --> 00:30:43,680
Speaker 2: I think he's on that same career path. I mean,

734
00:30:43,840 --> 00:30:47,360
Speaker 2: from moment one he's got nothing but better to where

735
00:30:47,440 --> 00:30:49,640
Speaker 2: you can't even say he's a rookie anymore, the way

736
00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:50,200
Speaker 2: he's playing.

737
00:30:50,520 --> 00:30:52,680
Speaker 1: And then last thing about this particular portion of the

738
00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:55,320
Speaker 1: conversation before we went on the air with this edition

739
00:30:55,400 --> 00:30:57,240
Speaker 1: between the Horns, there was a great argument going on

740
00:30:57,320 --> 00:30:59,400
Speaker 1: between these two that I want to rekindle here ar

741
00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:02,840
Speaker 1: how I'll bubble it up. One of the biggest differences

742
00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:04,560
Speaker 1: I went back and looked at is that day against

743
00:31:04,600 --> 00:31:07,320
Speaker 1: the cardinalson Week two, Jared Verse miss four tackles. Yeah,

744
00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:09,760
Speaker 1: it was like, okay, Wow, this guy's got the juice,

745
00:31:09,800 --> 00:31:12,400
Speaker 1: but it needs to be refined. He's missed five tackles

746
00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:14,680
Speaker 1: in the rams last six games. I think Jared Verse

747
00:31:14,760 --> 00:31:17,120
Speaker 1: is a much different player at this stage of the season.

748
00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:18,600
Speaker 1: You guys go ahead and help.

749
00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:19,480
Speaker 3: Oh, I totally.

750
00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:23,280
Speaker 2: I mean, so when I saw the rundown, how is

751
00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:26,040
Speaker 2: this defense or how's how are the Rams different? So

752
00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:28,240
Speaker 2: I go back and watch some New Orleans, I go

753
00:31:28,360 --> 00:31:29,920
Speaker 2: back and watch some New England. I go back and

754
00:31:29,920 --> 00:31:33,280
Speaker 2: watch Buffalo Jets on and then flip quickly back to

755
00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:36,360
Speaker 2: week two. It's night and day difference. Like you said,

756
00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:39,080
Speaker 2: the names on the jerseys, some of them are different.

757
00:31:39,680 --> 00:31:43,240
Speaker 2: There's some alignment switches, but that in particular they're still

758
00:31:43,320 --> 00:31:46,360
Speaker 2: feeling each other out. This was his what second game

759
00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:50,440
Speaker 2: as a pro. He's still learning so and they're learning him. Oh,

760
00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:53,280
Speaker 2: this dude is a menace. So if I'm on the

761
00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:56,360
Speaker 2: backside of Jared Verse, I want to make sure I

762
00:31:56,720 --> 00:31:59,360
Speaker 2: cast a wide net because he is going to win.

763
00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:02,080
Speaker 2: The last thing I want to do is waste a

764
00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:04,600
Speaker 2: good rush and let him out the back door. So

765
00:32:05,040 --> 00:32:09,560
Speaker 2: yet they're learning, he's learning. Same with with with Kinchins.

766
00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:12,720
Speaker 2: They're not rookies anymore. These these are season pros. So

767
00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:14,800
Speaker 2: I think they've learned to play with him, and I

768
00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:17,240
Speaker 2: think he's learned how to be a better pro. You

769
00:32:17,320 --> 00:32:19,400
Speaker 2: can't let sacks and tackles go by, you can't.

770
00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:22,560
Speaker 3: Miss You've got to make those with the disagreement that

771
00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:24,880
Speaker 3: we had, or the debate that we had, was that

772
00:32:25,560 --> 00:32:28,400
Speaker 3: against the Jets, the Rams would crash those tackles into

773
00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:30,320
Speaker 3: Aaron Rodgers and then right when they get there, they

774
00:32:30,360 --> 00:32:32,120
Speaker 3: would stop and try to jump and like try to

775
00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:35,520
Speaker 3: grab them. My concern and my question is DeMarco, why

776
00:32:35,600 --> 00:32:38,000
Speaker 3: not just run the tackle into the quarterback?

777
00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:38,760
Speaker 1: Don't look at me.

778
00:32:42,160 --> 00:32:44,040
Speaker 3: If you want to take every carry to the house,

779
00:32:44,120 --> 00:32:47,080
Speaker 3: then every time trying to stop me.

780
00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:49,360
Speaker 2: That's one on Like, if you have a guard, there's

781
00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:51,240
Speaker 2: a dude that gets paid to block me, and I'm

782
00:32:51,280 --> 00:32:51,840
Speaker 2: bullying him.

783
00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:53,640
Speaker 3: You think it's gonna be that easy? Just if you

784
00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:56,400
Speaker 3: got them on cases, run him into the quarterback. I've

785
00:32:56,440 --> 00:32:57,640
Speaker 3: seen him do it before. Yeh.

786
00:32:57,640 --> 00:32:59,480
Speaker 1: Here's part of the reason why it's relevant this week.

787
00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:03,240
Speaker 1: Paris Johnson left tackle, Jona Williams right tackle. They've already

788
00:33:03,280 --> 00:33:05,080
Speaker 1: been ruled out for the Cardinals. So this is a

789
00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:07,520
Speaker 1: big edge rush game for all the reasons. Because you're

790
00:33:07,520 --> 00:33:10,000
Speaker 1: facing back us and because you get a second swing.

791
00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:12,720
Speaker 3: I don't want you to win. I don't want you

792
00:33:12,800 --> 00:33:15,080
Speaker 3: to win like outside, because you're giving him away to

793
00:33:15,120 --> 00:33:17,480
Speaker 3: step up. Yeah. Right, So you have to penetrate the

794
00:33:17,520 --> 00:33:19,840
Speaker 3: pocket inside. And that's what I was saying. If if

795
00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:22,680
Speaker 3: if Jared verse with his boris, which I love and

796
00:33:22,760 --> 00:33:25,480
Speaker 3: I love it. I love that. I love that. Yeah,

797
00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:29,719
Speaker 3: why not just run him into Kyler like you did

798
00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:31,680
Speaker 3: in Florida State. He did that a bunch of times

799
00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:32,240
Speaker 3: at Florida State.

800
00:33:32,320 --> 00:33:34,960
Speaker 2: Just run those guys right into you take a delay handoff,

801
00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:36,320
Speaker 2: then you need to go ninety nine.

802
00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:36,920
Speaker 3: I listen.

803
00:33:37,560 --> 00:33:39,200
Speaker 2: If I'm just saying, I'm just telling you if all

804
00:33:39,280 --> 00:33:42,080
Speaker 2: guys are blocked, yeah, yeah, no, But I'm right there

805
00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:44,240
Speaker 2: with you. But this is what going back to, like

806
00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:48,480
Speaker 2: the first segment when you were facing mobile quarterbacks, it's

807
00:33:48,560 --> 00:33:50,600
Speaker 2: something you have to do. You have to take some

808
00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:52,600
Speaker 2: smoke off if you are going power. You got to

809
00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:53,800
Speaker 2: make sure that guy doesn't get out.

810
00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:56,120
Speaker 3: Okay. At the same it's kind of like Philly when

811
00:33:56,160 --> 00:33:57,800
Speaker 3: he ran through the left tack.

812
00:33:57,720 --> 00:33:59,880
Speaker 2: Kind and he kind of gotta be smart. So, like

813
00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:01,880
Speaker 2: I told you, this is how we started this. If

814
00:34:01,920 --> 00:34:04,040
Speaker 2: I'm Jared Versu in the off season, I would pitch

815
00:34:04,080 --> 00:34:06,600
Speaker 2: a tent in front of Aaron Donald's house and just

816
00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:09,560
Speaker 2: pray he teaches me that wisdom because there's some stuff

817
00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:12,040
Speaker 2: that goes beyond coaching. They can help you, and they're

818
00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:15,000
Speaker 2: great coaches, but this is one of the all time

819
00:34:15,080 --> 00:34:19,400
Speaker 2: greats and you've got like all time great ingredients. Somebody's

820
00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:21,000
Speaker 2: gonna help you bring that together. It might be him,

821
00:34:21,040 --> 00:34:21,160
Speaker 2: you know.

822
00:34:21,239 --> 00:34:23,120
Speaker 1: Mike Hoyight told me earlier this week that Aaron was

823
00:34:23,120 --> 00:34:24,960
Speaker 1: here a couple of weeks ago working out, So you

824
00:34:25,080 --> 00:34:26,560
Speaker 1: might not have to go to his house. He might

825
00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:29,040
Speaker 1: come to his wisdom here because not to come out

826
00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:31,719
Speaker 1: of retirement and ployees to work out and influence the right.

827
00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:34,359
Speaker 2: Well, when you talk about versus power, rush, I kid

828
00:34:34,440 --> 00:34:39,120
Speaker 2: you not. He's got some unnatural powers. Like when it's

829
00:34:39,239 --> 00:34:42,759
Speaker 2: short area from six inches away, he goes to one

830
00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:45,239
Speaker 2: thousand miles an hour and he affects that blocker, they

831
00:34:45,400 --> 00:34:48,600
Speaker 2: jump backwards. If you can teach off that and learn

832
00:34:48,640 --> 00:34:50,560
Speaker 2: stuff off that, you might be unblockable.

833
00:34:50,560 --> 00:34:52,480
Speaker 3: Well, I was going to tell you too, uh Fashanu,

834
00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:56,000
Speaker 3: Like it wasn't the injury that he had wasn't just

835
00:34:56,120 --> 00:34:58,440
Speaker 3: because he got hit or rolled up. It was he

836
00:34:58,520 --> 00:35:00,640
Speaker 3: had been putting pressure on that ankle. Well every time

837
00:35:00,719 --> 00:35:03,160
Speaker 3: you want again, trying to like hold up and eventually

838
00:35:03,560 --> 00:35:05,520
Speaker 3: he just got caught, right J I think he's hurt

839
00:35:05,640 --> 00:35:08,759
Speaker 3: a few tackles, Yeah, more than a few. Yes.

840
00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:11,320
Speaker 1: I want to bring this back to you know, unanimous

841
00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:13,960
Speaker 1: consent and agreements, and I think one thing we can

842
00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:16,080
Speaker 1: all agree on is our larger point there in that

843
00:35:16,280 --> 00:35:20,520
Speaker 1: segment is that the week seventeen Rams would potentially blow

844
00:35:20,560 --> 00:35:22,680
Speaker 1: out the Week two Rams in a way that the

845
00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:25,960
Speaker 1: Arizona Cardinals did. Right, So, looking forward to a revenge opportunity,

846
00:35:26,520 --> 00:35:28,480
Speaker 1: I'm curious about one more thing in this matchup before

847
00:35:28,520 --> 00:35:31,040
Speaker 1: we get to keys at the game. I would love

848
00:35:31,120 --> 00:35:33,080
Speaker 1: to see and I think you would to the Rams

849
00:35:33,239 --> 00:35:35,600
Speaker 1: going into the postseason. Should they be fortunate enough to

850
00:35:35,640 --> 00:35:39,439
Speaker 1: win Humming on all cylinders, especially getting some explosiveness back

851
00:35:39,480 --> 00:35:43,120
Speaker 1: in their offense. Right, But in terms of winning this

852
00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:46,279
Speaker 1: game Saturday, are you looking for chunk plays over the top,

853
00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:49,120
Speaker 1: or do you want to keep winning with the power

854
00:35:49,200 --> 00:35:51,800
Speaker 1: running game that's taken him through the last couple of

855
00:35:51,840 --> 00:35:53,799
Speaker 1: weeks on the road in bad weather. Here here's why

856
00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:56,120
Speaker 1: I'm asking. The Cardinals just gave up two forty three

857
00:35:56,280 --> 00:36:00,560
Speaker 1: rushing Yeah, highest total this season, one fifty two to Hubbard,

858
00:36:00,600 --> 00:36:03,120
Speaker 1: including the walk off in overtime. So are you seeing

859
00:36:03,200 --> 00:36:05,560
Speaker 1: that saying hey, we've got this blueprint, let's just lean

860
00:36:05,640 --> 00:36:07,360
Speaker 1: right into it. Or do you want to see Stafford

861
00:36:07,840 --> 00:36:10,400
Speaker 1: back in a climate controlled environment slinging it?

862
00:36:11,840 --> 00:36:12,600
Speaker 3: Oh? You asking me.

863
00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:14,840
Speaker 2: To me?

864
00:36:15,600 --> 00:36:19,680
Speaker 3: I want the Rams to do what the Rams do, right.

865
00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:22,719
Speaker 3: They take shots, they play it, but they're gonna they

866
00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:24,640
Speaker 3: become a run first team. And I want to see

867
00:36:24,680 --> 00:36:27,200
Speaker 3: you run the football downhill. I would love to see

868
00:36:27,320 --> 00:36:29,600
Speaker 3: you run the football more than you throw the football.

869
00:36:29,640 --> 00:36:31,480
Speaker 3: That means you're you have control of the game you

870
00:36:31,600 --> 00:36:34,880
Speaker 3: have the the way the game playing is to your favor.

871
00:36:35,520 --> 00:36:37,239
Speaker 3: But I would love to see shots down the field.

872
00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:40,440
Speaker 3: I've always called for two two at well going down

873
00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:42,480
Speaker 3: the field. I'd love to see. To be honest, I

874
00:36:42,560 --> 00:36:44,359
Speaker 3: love to see you get guys in space. I think

875
00:36:44,640 --> 00:36:46,560
Speaker 3: part of your power running game is a screen to

876
00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:49,239
Speaker 3: Pooka Nakua. All right, hitched it. That's part of your

877
00:36:49,239 --> 00:36:51,400
Speaker 3: power running game too. That's what I would clarify it.

878
00:36:51,560 --> 00:36:53,840
Speaker 3: Anything under five yards of Pooka to me is a

879
00:36:53,880 --> 00:36:54,279
Speaker 3: run play.

880
00:36:54,640 --> 00:36:56,759
Speaker 1: Because we said that in New York. That basically what

881
00:36:56,880 --> 00:36:58,440
Speaker 1: the Rams have put on tape is that if you

882
00:36:58,520 --> 00:37:00,320
Speaker 1: want to beat them, you're gonna have to tackle Pukin

883
00:37:00,360 --> 00:37:02,400
Speaker 1: Nakua ten twelve times in the field of.

884
00:37:02,560 --> 00:37:03,120
Speaker 3: That's their power.

885
00:37:03,239 --> 00:37:04,080
Speaker 1: That's the starting point.

886
00:37:04,200 --> 00:37:07,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, enjoy that. That's their biggest guy. It's it's it's

887
00:37:07,120 --> 00:37:09,680
Speaker 3: like the Buffalo Bills. They have Josh Allen. That's your

888
00:37:09,680 --> 00:37:11,480
Speaker 3: biggest running back. So when they get in the red

889
00:37:11,560 --> 00:37:14,200
Speaker 3: zone one of those three plays before they kick a

890
00:37:14,239 --> 00:37:15,560
Speaker 3: field goal, you're gonna have to tackle him.

891
00:37:15,640 --> 00:37:17,200
Speaker 1: Demark. And the truth of the matter is this is

892
00:37:17,400 --> 00:37:19,800
Speaker 1: just you know, a sake of the show question because

893
00:37:19,840 --> 00:37:21,920
Speaker 1: it's not a zero sum game. On offense, you can

894
00:37:22,040 --> 00:37:23,640
Speaker 1: do both, and in fact, the way the Rams are

895
00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:25,759
Speaker 1: running the ball, if Stafford can get a grip on

896
00:37:25,760 --> 00:37:28,319
Speaker 1: the football and get the pass protection, the explosive should

897
00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:28,880
Speaker 1: come right with it.

898
00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:31,920
Speaker 2: You know where I'm going. I think you're closer to

899
00:37:32,040 --> 00:37:36,800
Speaker 2: being a more physical brand of football like I think, Okay,

900
00:37:36,880 --> 00:37:40,600
Speaker 2: because of Sean mcvay's history, Matthew Stafford, Pokinakua, Cooper Cup,

901
00:37:40,640 --> 00:37:43,600
Speaker 2: all that stuff. We're expecting thirty five points, some sort

902
00:37:43,640 --> 00:37:46,520
Speaker 2: of offensive explosion, and I would love to see explosive.

903
00:37:46,560 --> 00:37:48,279
Speaker 2: Don't get me wrong, I would love to see that.

904
00:37:48,440 --> 00:37:49,960
Speaker 2: But you got to give me a who and how

905
00:37:50,840 --> 00:37:52,520
Speaker 2: in this offense. Who and how is going to be

906
00:37:52,640 --> 00:37:55,040
Speaker 2: that guy explosive? So what I think you are right

907
00:37:55,120 --> 00:37:56,920
Speaker 2: now is a team that runs the ball and you

908
00:37:57,040 --> 00:38:00,600
Speaker 2: run it well. So this Saturday, I would not be

909
00:38:00,719 --> 00:38:04,040
Speaker 2: surprised if you see Kyron and more Kyron and Kyron again,

910
00:38:04,280 --> 00:38:05,920
Speaker 2: and more Kiren and little Blake.

911
00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:06,879
Speaker 3: And then and Blake too.

912
00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:08,600
Speaker 1: I do want to see Blake get ten touches in

913
00:38:08,680 --> 00:38:12,680
Speaker 1: his first NFL touchdown before yeah before this weekend.

914
00:38:12,560 --> 00:38:16,760
Speaker 2: Run run, run, set up, play action, the run becomes

915
00:38:16,840 --> 00:38:18,719
Speaker 2: the lead punch and the pass is the counter.

916
00:38:19,560 --> 00:38:21,920
Speaker 1: So the defense will tell you when it's time to

917
00:38:22,040 --> 00:38:23,520
Speaker 1: take your explosive opportunity.

918
00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:26,080
Speaker 2: Because I think if if you're doing with this offensive

919
00:38:26,120 --> 00:38:29,640
Speaker 2: line is getting ready to start doing and is dominating

920
00:38:29,760 --> 00:38:32,840
Speaker 2: up front, and you're smart in pass protection and Kyron

921
00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:35,080
Speaker 2: is chipping away at you and you can stay with that,

922
00:38:35,239 --> 00:38:35,919
Speaker 2: I think they will.

923
00:38:37,280 --> 00:38:39,279
Speaker 3: I think it's eventually it's going to be time for

924
00:38:39,320 --> 00:38:42,279
Speaker 3: two to out well, to go seventy. I think it's there.

925
00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:44,120
Speaker 1: So let me ask you, because I'm I woke up

926
00:38:44,280 --> 00:38:47,000
Speaker 1: thinking the same thing, like I want a down there

927
00:38:47,080 --> 00:38:49,839
Speaker 1: somewhere shot to to to out well. Do you want

928
00:38:49,880 --> 00:38:52,000
Speaker 1: that on tape this week against the Cardinals heading to

929
00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:53,800
Speaker 1: the postseason or you want that in your back pocket?

930
00:38:54,320 --> 00:38:54,919
Speaker 1: Or does it matter?

931
00:38:55,120 --> 00:38:57,280
Speaker 3: I don't think it matters because the way you're running

932
00:38:57,280 --> 00:38:58,759
Speaker 3: football right now, they're going to have to put eight

933
00:38:58,800 --> 00:39:02,040
Speaker 3: guys in the box, okay, right. And what I love,

934
00:39:02,239 --> 00:39:05,400
Speaker 3: what I love about all the run game is that

935
00:39:05,480 --> 00:39:07,600
Speaker 3: it all looks the same again. It's starting to it's

936
00:39:07,600 --> 00:39:09,799
Speaker 3: starting to all look the same. The play action, pass,

937
00:39:10,360 --> 00:39:13,560
Speaker 3: the bootleg, the run. It's all started to look the same. Guys,

938
00:39:13,600 --> 00:39:15,640
Speaker 3: are you have four or Five plays off of the

939
00:39:15,680 --> 00:39:20,440
Speaker 3: same motion and shift, which again causes confusion. I just

940
00:39:20,600 --> 00:39:23,560
Speaker 3: know whenever the Rams need a big play, or they

941
00:39:23,640 --> 00:39:27,239
Speaker 3: need a chunk play, or they need a game clinching play,

942
00:39:27,560 --> 00:39:31,720
Speaker 3: it's Five that shows up consistently. Against the Buffalo Bills.

943
00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:34,880
Speaker 3: Five showed up on a deep end route against the

944
00:39:35,160 --> 00:39:38,399
Speaker 3: Chicago Bears early in that first half. Five was showing

945
00:39:38,480 --> 00:39:41,759
Speaker 3: up consistently, like he just shows up game after game

946
00:39:41,800 --> 00:39:44,120
Speaker 3: after game. It's time to reward him with a nice touchdown,

947
00:39:44,200 --> 00:39:47,480
Speaker 3: because again he's he's when everyone's focused on everybody else,

948
00:39:47,560 --> 00:39:49,280
Speaker 3: he's the one that's creating separation.

949
00:39:49,760 --> 00:39:52,080
Speaker 1: I was just reminded of something you said last week

950
00:39:52,120 --> 00:39:54,320
Speaker 1: to Marco, which was going to New York knowing it

951
00:39:54,440 --> 00:39:56,360
Speaker 1: was going to be tough weather and knowing that you

952
00:39:56,480 --> 00:39:58,960
Speaker 1: had two division games that are gotta have its on

953
00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:01,600
Speaker 1: the back side of that, these said you wanted to

954
00:40:01,640 --> 00:40:04,200
Speaker 1: see the Rams win with their grit, their temperament, not

955
00:40:04,320 --> 00:40:07,839
Speaker 1: necessarily their playbook. You're kind of saying, like, hold back

956
00:40:07,920 --> 00:40:10,560
Speaker 1: your best stuff for Arizona and Seattle. Do you feel

957
00:40:10,560 --> 00:40:12,440
Speaker 1: like they got that done? I do feel like that's

958
00:40:12,440 --> 00:40:12,920
Speaker 1: how they won.

959
00:40:13,080 --> 00:40:15,480
Speaker 2: I do they slugged it out. I don't think they.

960
00:40:16,200 --> 00:40:19,960
Speaker 2: I don't think they really told his hand or you know.

961
00:40:20,280 --> 00:40:22,640
Speaker 1: I forgot that. That's what you were hoping for flying

962
00:40:22,680 --> 00:40:23,920
Speaker 1: in the Metal Land, and they got it.

963
00:40:24,080 --> 00:40:26,080
Speaker 2: And I think you can kind of open that up

964
00:40:26,120 --> 00:40:30,239
Speaker 2: against Arizona depending on what happens tonight with Seattle mm hm.

965
00:40:31,360 --> 00:40:33,480
Speaker 2: You may pull out all the stops versus Arizona, or

966
00:40:33,640 --> 00:40:35,280
Speaker 2: you may have to. But there's gonna be some stuff

967
00:40:35,280 --> 00:40:36,800
Speaker 2: you don't see, like some red zone stuff that you

968
00:40:36,920 --> 00:40:39,400
Speaker 2: probably won't want to give away until you need to

969
00:40:39,480 --> 00:40:41,400
Speaker 2: really have it unless you need to use it on Saturday.

970
00:40:41,480 --> 00:40:43,360
Speaker 3: But yeah, I'm with you on the deep shots with

971
00:40:43,440 --> 00:40:43,680
Speaker 3: two too.

972
00:40:43,719 --> 00:40:46,040
Speaker 2: I would love or DeMarcus or anybody down the field

973
00:40:46,560 --> 00:40:49,040
Speaker 2: just pick your shots, because to get the ball down

974
00:40:49,080 --> 00:40:51,000
Speaker 2: the field, he's got to stand back there and hold it.

975
00:40:51,560 --> 00:40:54,520
Speaker 2: And that's the one thing. And the O line and

976
00:40:54,560 --> 00:40:57,680
Speaker 2: the play calling and the execution has been great. There's

977
00:40:57,719 --> 00:41:01,000
Speaker 2: been no sacks allowed, but you've also avoided those situations

978
00:41:01,040 --> 00:41:02,840
Speaker 2: where he's got to stand back there and hold it.

979
00:41:02,920 --> 00:41:04,880
Speaker 3: Who's the kid that had all the sacks a week too?

980
00:41:04,920 --> 00:41:08,120
Speaker 3: He's on IR right for the oh guys deck, He's

981
00:41:08,160 --> 00:41:08,680
Speaker 3: on IR.

982
00:41:08,640 --> 00:41:12,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, and he only had three sacks that game. Yeah,

983
00:41:12,360 --> 00:41:13,040
Speaker 2: he played seven.

984
00:41:13,160 --> 00:41:16,239
Speaker 3: I'm but that was different. May have a little bit

985
00:41:16,280 --> 00:41:17,800
Speaker 3: of time then because the way he was going and

986
00:41:17,880 --> 00:41:18,440
Speaker 3: there was crazy.

987
00:41:18,719 --> 00:41:21,319
Speaker 2: What do we give Aleric Jackson? Do we comeback player

988
00:41:21,320 --> 00:41:24,680
Speaker 2: of the Year or most important? Because we haven't said

989
00:41:24,719 --> 00:41:25,240
Speaker 2: his name.

990
00:41:25,680 --> 00:41:27,640
Speaker 3: I've said it. Me and Jab had a conversation.

991
00:41:27,840 --> 00:41:30,560
Speaker 1: Not a lot is auditioning to be his agent.

992
00:41:30,719 --> 00:41:34,680
Speaker 3: Dude, listen, for whatever reason, when he's out there, that

993
00:41:34,920 --> 00:41:37,040
Speaker 3: side is protected. I told you against the Niners. I

994
00:41:37,080 --> 00:41:39,240
Speaker 3: knew it was something because all week in the pregame,

995
00:41:39,280 --> 00:41:41,560
Speaker 3: in the National Meedia, I was like, Yo, Larry Jackson

996
00:41:41,640 --> 00:41:44,680
Speaker 3: versus Bosa blah blah blah blah blah, and Bosa goes

997
00:41:44,680 --> 00:41:46,200
Speaker 3: to the other side. You want him?

998
00:41:46,280 --> 00:41:48,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, did want none of that. So to me, I

999
00:41:48,680 --> 00:41:51,759
Speaker 2: would love to have been with Jackson during that Week

1000
00:41:51,880 --> 00:41:55,200
Speaker 2: two game. And I hope this hurts. I hope it's

1001
00:41:55,320 --> 00:41:57,799
Speaker 2: killing you to see what's happening without you. But yeah,

1002
00:41:58,080 --> 00:41:58,640
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying.

1003
00:41:58,800 --> 00:42:00,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, Yeah, he's played like it's yes.

1004
00:42:00,520 --> 00:42:02,479
Speaker 1: Credit to him, all right. I feel like we've shown

1005
00:42:02,560 --> 00:42:05,520
Speaker 1: all of our cards, but let's finish with one key

1006
00:42:05,600 --> 00:42:09,399
Speaker 1: to the game each Maybe as we anticipate Arizona Saturday night,

1007
00:42:09,520 --> 00:42:12,040
Speaker 1: stressing Saturday night at SOFI Stadium. Hope you can join us.

1008
00:42:12,200 --> 00:42:15,680
Speaker 3: Is Connor going to play? You got banged up? Thirty

1009
00:42:15,719 --> 00:42:17,960
Speaker 3: one snaps? I don't know. He was bawling before he

1010
00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:18,359
Speaker 3: got hurt.

1011
00:42:18,440 --> 00:42:21,120
Speaker 1: So if he's having a career year, if he does play.

1012
00:42:21,360 --> 00:42:23,920
Speaker 3: Okay Alsome he's there. If he's going to play him.

1013
00:42:26,480 --> 00:42:30,399
Speaker 2: They seem to be hiding behind the run game right now,

1014
00:42:30,880 --> 00:42:34,480
Speaker 2: and they're pounding defenses, or at least they tried with Carolina,

1015
00:42:34,560 --> 00:42:37,680
Speaker 2: so that seems to be their lead punch stop six,

1016
00:42:38,120 --> 00:42:40,440
Speaker 2: work your way to Kyler win the football game that way.

1017
00:42:40,600 --> 00:42:42,759
Speaker 3: Man. We have to talk about Marvin Harrison junior.

1018
00:42:42,840 --> 00:42:44,840
Speaker 1: H Yeah, yeah, it's on my list. You take it.

1019
00:42:44,880 --> 00:42:45,399
Speaker 3: Oh, you go ahead.

1020
00:42:45,440 --> 00:42:48,360
Speaker 1: I won thirty and two touchdowns, both of those season highs.

1021
00:42:49,160 --> 00:42:51,680
Speaker 1: The word out of the desert right now is that

1022
00:42:51,920 --> 00:42:54,840
Speaker 1: his inability to win fifty to fifty balls is the

1023
00:42:54,920 --> 00:42:56,879
Speaker 1: new red flag. Remember week two, it is like, oh,

1024
00:42:57,040 --> 00:42:59,799
Speaker 1: his GPS speed didn't look like a first round pick.

1025
00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:02,520
Speaker 3: You know what that means? They're gonna be throwing fifty

1026
00:43:02,560 --> 00:43:07,160
Speaker 3: fifth two things. One, I think Kyroen has to continue

1027
00:43:07,200 --> 00:43:09,640
Speaker 3: the run the way he's running. That is very important

1028
00:43:09,680 --> 00:43:13,040
Speaker 3: that his physical nature running through guys still control your

1029
00:43:13,239 --> 00:43:14,880
Speaker 3: your emotions, so he can't throw the ball. The guy

1030
00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:20,080
Speaker 3: get the fifteen yarder. But the way he's running is huge.

1031
00:43:20,520 --> 00:43:23,440
Speaker 3: It's it's it gives your team your offensive physicality, right

1032
00:43:23,880 --> 00:43:25,920
Speaker 3: like the rams have always been known as like a

1033
00:43:26,400 --> 00:43:29,720
Speaker 3: outside zone team play action, pass flash, but not physical.

1034
00:43:29,840 --> 00:43:32,279
Speaker 3: And then over this last couple of years, he's became

1035
00:43:32,360 --> 00:43:34,680
Speaker 3: the physical punch that you've needed. And to me, he

1036
00:43:34,760 --> 00:43:36,839
Speaker 3: has to continue running. Away's running the last. The other

1037
00:43:36,920 --> 00:43:38,840
Speaker 3: thing is gonna be you have to get If you

1038
00:43:38,880 --> 00:43:40,920
Speaker 3: get to Kyler, you have to get him down. We

1039
00:43:41,000 --> 00:43:43,160
Speaker 3: can't have too many more whiffs anymore. And that's gonna

1040
00:43:43,160 --> 00:43:45,279
Speaker 3: be again. I believe that's gonna be a Kobe Turner

1041
00:43:45,280 --> 00:43:47,279
Speaker 3: and Braydon Fisk. That's what I believe is going to be.

1042
00:43:47,560 --> 00:43:50,080
Speaker 3: Even with those tackles out, I think that in order

1043
00:43:50,120 --> 00:43:52,120
Speaker 3: to get Kyler, the only way I've seen Kyler get

1044
00:43:52,160 --> 00:43:54,760
Speaker 3: got is from puncturing the pocket inside.

1045
00:43:54,960 --> 00:43:56,640
Speaker 1: Well, if he knows his tackles are oute, isn't he

1046
00:43:56,800 --> 00:43:58,359
Speaker 1: going to be thinking and I got to step up

1047
00:43:58,400 --> 00:43:59,839
Speaker 1: and escape or dump it fast.

1048
00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:02,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, And you sat right into those who was one

1049
00:44:02,040 --> 00:44:05,760
Speaker 3: of the fastest winning, if not the fastest winning defensive

1050
00:44:05,760 --> 00:44:08,319
Speaker 3: lineman in the game today. So if you can win quick,

1051
00:44:08,719 --> 00:44:10,680
Speaker 3: you're gonna get pressure right away, which is going to

1052
00:44:10,760 --> 00:44:13,000
Speaker 3: force them to go outside. So those two guys have

1053
00:44:13,080 --> 00:44:13,880
Speaker 3: to have a Kobe.

1054
00:44:13,719 --> 00:44:15,920
Speaker 1: Turner kingpin and Kobe against Kyle.

1055
00:44:15,920 --> 00:44:17,560
Speaker 2: Another guy that should be in the tent with Verse

1056
00:44:17,600 --> 00:44:20,240
Speaker 2: in front of Aaron's house. Teach me Edis.

1057
00:44:20,360 --> 00:44:22,319
Speaker 1: I'll take your cue about this being a tight end game.

1058
00:44:22,360 --> 00:44:25,239
Speaker 1: I'll just talk about the other tight end. Trey McBride's

1059
00:44:25,280 --> 00:44:28,080
Speaker 1: had a year ninety two for nine to fifty eight

1060
00:44:29,400 --> 00:44:32,960
Speaker 1: but no touchdowns, tied for the most catches before a

1061
00:44:33,040 --> 00:44:36,520
Speaker 1: touchdown in a season in league history. Don't don't let

1062
00:44:36,560 --> 00:44:38,000
Speaker 1: them in. Don't let the guy.

1063
00:44:38,160 --> 00:44:41,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's weird. That's like the longest non scoring run,

1064
00:44:41,640 --> 00:44:43,839
Speaker 3: you know what I mean. That's like, Yeah, that's kind

1065
00:44:43,880 --> 00:44:45,920
Speaker 3: of like it. That's like you're leading pressures but got

1066
00:44:46,000 --> 00:44:46,440
Speaker 3: no sacks.

1067
00:44:46,520 --> 00:44:50,040
Speaker 1: Yes, looking forward to seeing you guys on Saturday. I

1068
00:44:50,120 --> 00:44:52,520
Speaker 1: may not see you next week though we may not

1069
00:44:52,560 --> 00:44:54,759
Speaker 1: see you next week. Well, if these guys clinch, I

1070
00:44:54,800 --> 00:44:55,120
Speaker 1: can't be.

1071
00:44:55,160 --> 00:44:58,359
Speaker 3: Here next week, you'll be here next week. Nah.

1072
00:44:58,440 --> 00:44:59,880
Speaker 1: I remember that time where I said if there was

1073
00:45:00,080 --> 00:45:02,040
Speaker 1: and starters in week eighteen, I gotta eat chocolate on

1074
00:45:02,120 --> 00:45:02,479
Speaker 1: this show.

1075
00:45:02,600 --> 00:45:03,360
Speaker 3: Where's the chocolate?

1076
00:45:03,480 --> 00:45:04,839
Speaker 1: I might be calling in sick next week.

1077
00:45:04,920 --> 00:45:07,439
Speaker 3: No, you're coming. Yeah, you gonna eat chocolate, right, get you? Yeah,

1078
00:45:07,440 --> 00:45:11,400
Speaker 3: we'll get you a milk chocolate were kit cat? Kit

1079
00:45:11,520 --> 00:45:13,000
Speaker 3: cats are good like them?

1080
00:45:13,000 --> 00:45:16,400
Speaker 1: May be a champagne problem chocolate, but if I dodge next.

1081
00:45:16,280 --> 00:45:19,200
Speaker 3: Week, No, what, you're a deli you'll eat it all right.

1082
00:45:19,840 --> 00:45:22,439
Speaker 1: For Maurice Jones Drew DeMarco far I'm JB. Loong. Once again,

1083
00:45:22,480 --> 00:45:26,080
Speaker 1: it's a Saturday night prime time showdown against the Arizona Cardinals.

1084
00:45:26,160 --> 00:45:28,920
Speaker 1: Hope you can join us in person in Inglewood. As always,

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Speaker 1: thank you for being here for Between the Horns, presented

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Speaker 1: by your Southern California Toyota dealer