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Speaker 1: Steve always has lots of information. He's in Hawaii and

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Speaker 1: it's no fun there and the Lahana where the huge

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Speaker 2: Doing well? John? I got a lot of sound for

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Speaker 1: All right, well, we got a lot of times. Let's

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Speaker 3: Let's go So the latest it is still at ninety nine.

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Speaker 3: That's the few body count thus far. But as if

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Speaker 1: You're going to deport him. Wow, that's that's that's a

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Speaker 1: It looks like skid Row in Los Angeles. The vagrants

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Speaker 1: A couple in Australia charged with five counts of bestiality.

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Speaker 8: Deal, right because the animals who cares abusing them and

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Speaker 7: Well, I think it's both.

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Speaker 8: I think there are some people that yes, they desire that,

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Speaker 8: and I just.

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Speaker 7: My brain doesn't work that way, you can't.

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Speaker 1: I can't figure it out.

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Speaker 7: No, because I'm trying to figure it out. I'm trying

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Speaker 7: to reason with There is no reasoning here, no reasoning.

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Speaker 1: All right, more coming up John and Ken show.

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Speaker 5: Can If you're listening to John and Ken on demand,

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Speaker 5: I am six forty.

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Speaker 2: Well.

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Speaker 1: We've been covering this story for the last week or so.

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Speaker 1: It's the judge who blew away his wife down in

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Speaker 1: Orange County Superior Court. Judge Jeffrey Ferguson finally pleaded not

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Speaker 1: guilty today to murder charges. You've seen this guy, right,

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Speaker 1: You've seen his mugshot, pink face, white hair, seventy two

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Speaker 1: years old, got into an argument with his wife, and

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Speaker 1: he's hired this attorney that we're very familiar with, John Barnett.

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Speaker 1: This is the type he is. Two attorneys, John Barnett

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Speaker 1: and Paul Meyer. These are the guys you get when

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Speaker 1: you're really guilty, because what you need are attorneys who

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Speaker 1: will shout very loudly the opposite. All right, now, we

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Speaker 1: tell you if you don't remember how this happened, he

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Speaker 1: Ferguson and his wife got into an argument coming back

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Speaker 1: from dinner. His wife's name is Cheryl, all right, So

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Speaker 1: he got to an argument over dinner at a restaurant

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Speaker 1: and he threatened her, like making a hand gesture pointing

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Speaker 1: gun at her. They got home, they're still fighting, and

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Speaker 1: Cheryl says, why don't you put a point a real

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Speaker 1: gun at me? Now, the judge just happened to have

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Speaker 1: in his ankle holster a forty caliber glock handgun. So

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Speaker 1: after she challenged him, he pulled the handgun out and

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Speaker 1: shot her right in the chest. And he's admitted to it.

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Speaker 1: He reached out to his law clerk and his bailiff

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Speaker 1: texted them and he wrote, I just lost it. I

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Speaker 1: just shot my wife. I won't be in tomorrow. I

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Speaker 1: will be in custody. I'm so sorry. So there's no

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Speaker 1: question he did it. But now his attorney on Barnett

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Speaker 1: is just shouting really loudly, no, No, it's an accident.

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Speaker 1: It's an accident. When they hear the facts, they'll agree

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Speaker 1: this was an unintentional discharge of the firearm, no intent

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Speaker 1: to kill, no malice. Then they said, well, how are

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Speaker 1: you gonna at least not get a manslaughter charge? Because

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Speaker 1: when you wave a loaded gun at somebody, even if

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Speaker 1: you didn't mean to shoot it if you press the trigger.

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Speaker 1: And by the way, guns almost ever go off. Okay,

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Speaker 1: you've pressed the trigger. And he Barnett insisted, while he's innocent,

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Speaker 1: a manslaughter too, and so she pisses him off. He

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Speaker 1: just happens to have an ankle holster. He walks around

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Speaker 1: all day with this thing. He has a loaded gun

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Speaker 1: in there. He reaches down into the holster, pulls out

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Speaker 1: the loaded gun and points it at her and fires

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Speaker 1: at her, and then the attorney says it's an accident.

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Speaker 1: There's a lot of steps to that accident because you

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Speaker 1: you had to decide to put on the holster. You

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Speaker 1: have to decide to load the gun, and then load

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Speaker 1: the holster, and then pull it out and then aim

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Speaker 1: it and then fire it. I don't see the accident

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Speaker 1: into that, but what do I know? Uh Conway And

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Speaker 1: as a bonus, I'd.

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Speaker 6: Be a good.

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Speaker 1: I'd be a good juror on that would Yeah, like

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Speaker 1: accidents happened. The old question what was the last thing?

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Speaker 1: She said?

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Speaker 10: Right, Look, that's what you always say before I got married,

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Speaker 10: and to this day, if a guy kills his wife,

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Speaker 10: I think he should go to hell and go to

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Speaker 10: the death death on death row since I've been married.

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Speaker 10: I just want to know what she said. What was

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Speaker 10: the last thing she said before you send them to hell?

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Speaker 10: That's right, they're going to hell, right, the man who

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Speaker 10: killed their wives or hurt their wives or going to

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Speaker 10: hell and death row.

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Speaker 1: In my state. But what what do you get any

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Speaker 1: flak when you go home? I for that, I will. Yeah.

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Speaker 6: He hasn't been home in months?

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Speaker 1: Yeah for that? Does she even know who you are?

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Speaker 1: You know?

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Speaker 2: John?

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Speaker 10: I she's got this coming home every night at seven fifteen.

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Speaker 1: Can you imagine that?

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Speaker 10: No, of course the lovely one here Mark Thompson's with Yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 6: The lovely one is he calls me the lovely one

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Speaker 6: pounds of times.

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Speaker 1: That's a compliment. Your relationship has really deepened.

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Speaker 9: Yes, we've always been pretty tight. It's taken off. Yeah,

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Speaker 9: Steve's coming on from glathering each other with praise. What

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Speaker 9: we're doing.

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Speaker 10: Steve Gregory is coming on. He got into it with

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Speaker 10: the with the governor. Wow, this is good stuff.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: And then doctor Ray because Sherry's coming on.

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Speaker 6: Oh that's great.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I think he said you should get the booster

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Speaker 1: a week.

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Speaker 9: You got two, you got the RSV right, Yeah, and

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Speaker 9: you got the new new variant.

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Speaker 1: That's right, and then we have Tommy god Love is

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Speaker 1: coming on.

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Speaker 6: Oh that's great. Yeah yeah yeah about the benefit this week,

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Speaker 6: I'm getting in to that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. The the uh I think it's the Brodie Stevens

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Speaker 1: walk right.

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Speaker 9: Right, Bertie, he's walking the softball game and there's a

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Speaker 9: comedy store with him going trying to go into all

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Speaker 9: of it.

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Speaker 6: And I'll try to run the table with it.

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Speaker 10: And should be it's in the valley and the weather

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Speaker 10: for it should be about seventy two in Partner Club.

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Speaker 6: It'll be hot.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, I'm sorry, all right, Conway's coming up, Mark Thompson, Don, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's a dig DM and it's a ding Don. Where's Kenny.

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Speaker 1: I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I don't know.

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Speaker 1: He's out somewhere crushers the news live in the twenty

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Speaker 1: four hour CAF Newsroom. Hey, you've been listening to The

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