Speaker 1: Hello, everybody, Welcome into the Cycle. I am Ryan Warmley,
Speaker 1: joined as always by Mike Mayor. We are talking all
Speaker 1: things fantasy baseball. This is part one of three parts
Speaker 1: of the cycle, as we give to you every single week.
Speaker 1: We are rounding the basis with some trending topics, some
Speaker 1: news updates, some bigger picture stuff. This is kind of
Speaker 1: the catch all part of the show where we talk
Speaker 1: about really whatever it is that comes to mind for us.
Speaker 1: How are you doing here today, Mayor?
Speaker 2: I'm doing good. I'm really excited to get into this
Speaker 2: first segment to see if you're actually gonna drink alcohol
Speaker 2: on camera.
Speaker 1: Yes. Our first topic here is Brandon Hyde was fired
Speaker 1: a few days ago, and Worm does a tequila shot. Now.
Speaker 1: I promised to our audience that I would do with
Speaker 1: tequila shot on the show if Brandon Hyde was fired.
Speaker 1: It is ten am my time, Mayor here in Denver
Speaker 1: as of when we're recording this today, and I am
Speaker 1: still going to live up to it. So I have
Speaker 1: brought a little espolonneo and how do you pronounce it?
Speaker 1: Repisodo tequila here. I'm also rocking an Oriol shirt today
Speaker 1: kind of in celebration. Is a Funne One. It's like
Speaker 1: the Beatles, but it's like it's you know, Crossing Abbey Road,
Speaker 1: but it's four Oiols players. If anybody's watching YouTube, it's
Speaker 1: great shirt. They get compliments on it all the time.
Speaker 1: And I brought the bottle. I think it's it's Cal,
Speaker 1: it's Frank Robinson, It's it's not in this order, but
Speaker 1: it's Cal, Frank Robinson, Jim Palmer, and Brooks Robinson.
Speaker 2: Okay, so it's like famous.
Speaker 1: It's not like zach efln correct, It's it's like all time.
Speaker 1: It's probably the four best Orioles ever. I mean when
Speaker 1: you when you think about the oils, like the numbers
Speaker 1: that are retired to Candy Yards, it's like these guys
Speaker 1: and Earl Weaver, who's obviously a manager, not a player.
Speaker 1: So it's like pretty much the four the four Goats.
Speaker 1: I mean you could, I guess you could make an
Speaker 1: argument for like Eddie Murray in there and some other players,
Speaker 1: but yeah, I mean's that's pretty much what it is.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I brought the bottle so people would not
Speaker 1: accuse me of like just pouring something that wasn't tequila earlier.
Speaker 1: This is literally tequila and I'm pouring it on camera.
Speaker 2: I mean, that could be apple juice in a tequila
Speaker 2: boba for all we know.
Speaker 1: It is it is not, And I'm hoping I'm not
Speaker 1: gonna get in trouble for this because I did message you.
Speaker 1: I was like, I'm allowed to do this on air, right,
Speaker 1: and you said I don't see why not?
Speaker 2: So that and we asked no one else for for permission.
Speaker 1: Zero follow up. So uh, cheers to a new era
Speaker 1: for the Orioles.
Speaker 2: Cheers to you.
Speaker 1: All right, gonna be a great show.
Speaker 2: I would I would have done one too, But somehow
Speaker 2: I feel like showing up to daycare to pick up
Speaker 2: your kids with tequila on your breath is probably frowned upon.
Speaker 1: Uh well, I want everybody to notice too that, like
Speaker 1: you know, I'm this is a real tequila shot. There
Speaker 1: was no line, there was no you know, chaser here,
Speaker 1: just straight tequila. That's all you need when you're doing
Speaker 1: is shop. That's my stance on and do. I always
Speaker 1: say if I'm a if I'm drinking, if I'm sipping,
Speaker 1: it's gonna be like scotch or some kind of whiskey.
Speaker 1: If I'm mixing, it's gonna be wrong. If I'm shooting,
Speaker 1: it's gonna be tequila. That's that's definitely they go too.
Speaker 1: That went down really well. Actually, that's pretty I actually
Speaker 1: did tequila that, Teddy. More often you don't have to
Speaker 1: go back.
Speaker 2: And do like a slow mo of you taking in
Speaker 2: and see like what your your facial reaction.
Speaker 1: Was, see the reaction. Yeah, Well, anyways, I Brandon Hyde
Speaker 1: is fired, right, this is this is kind of why
Speaker 1: we're celebrating. I want to be really clear before we
Speaker 1: dive into this that fundamentally I don't really love like
Speaker 1: dancing on the grave of somebody who's lost their job
Speaker 1: like that's I recognize that there is a negative side
Speaker 1: to somebody getting fired, and we are having fun with it,
Speaker 1: but I, you know, I recognize that like a man
Speaker 1: lost his job, and I feel for that. Having said that,
Speaker 1: Brandon Hyde has more money than everybody in my family
Speaker 1: combined will make in our entire lifetimes, he will be fine.
Speaker 1: And the other thing with kind of celebrating and or
Speaker 1: at the very least being enthusiastic about moving on is
Speaker 1: it's not like he was given like short shrift here.
Speaker 1: He was given seven seasons as the Orioles manager. I
Speaker 1: know half of that time, he was dealing with the
Speaker 1: rebuild and was just kind of the guy having to
Speaker 1: wear those losses. I have a lot of respect for
Speaker 1: Brandon Hyde. I thought he was a very, very good
Speaker 1: manager for the rebuild. He was a good dude. I
Speaker 1: met him in person when I was back East covering
Speaker 1: the team, nice guy like. I have nothing bad to
Speaker 1: say about Brandon Hyde, except for once his team became
Speaker 1: a contender, he was just in over his head. I
Speaker 1: thought it was very clear when they got swept by
Speaker 1: the Rangers in the playoffs in twenty twenty three, I
Speaker 1: got very I thought it was very clear when he
Speaker 1: got swept by the Royals last year. Every time there
Speaker 1: was a serious, big, major series or game, I felt
Speaker 1: like he was getting out managed. I had a ton
Speaker 1: of problems, as I mentioned on this show, a lot
Speaker 1: with lineup decisions and sitting guys like Jackson Holiday and
Speaker 1: really not letting any young players get into a rhythm.
Speaker 1: Bullpen decisions I thought were crazy. A lot of the time.
Speaker 1: I just thought he was in over his head as
Speaker 1: the manager of a contending team, but as the manager
Speaker 1: of a rebuilding team, he was a lot of fun.
Speaker 1: I wish him definitely the best of luck moving forward.
Speaker 1: No ill will and even though we're having fun here.
Speaker 1: Like I said, I I do recognize and have empathy
Speaker 1: for the fact that he lost his job, But I
Speaker 1: do think this is a good step for the Orioles.
Speaker 1: The biggest problem is that it took as long as
Speaker 1: it did, Like it shouldn't have. We shouldn't have taken
Speaker 1: until now to replace him. And I'm really curious where
Speaker 1: they go from here.
Speaker 2: Well, I think they had to give him some leeway.
Speaker 2: They were like, look, you would take your lumps for
Speaker 2: a few years, Let's give you a long leash on
Speaker 2: the back end of this to see if you can
Speaker 2: turn this around. I think his biggest mistake was allowing
Speaker 2: them to build the Great Wall of Baltimore out in
Speaker 2: left field instead of chaining himself to the fence and
Speaker 2: forcing them not to move that wall back. Because that
Speaker 2: ruined Ryan Mountcastle.
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, you only feel that way because
Speaker 1: you love Ryan Mountcastle.
Speaker 2: I mean there were some other people didn't do any
Speaker 2: favors either. I don't think Austin Hayes appreciated it for
Speaker 2: his career development either.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I recognize too that this year's team is
Speaker 1: not solely Hide's fault. There have been some injuries, and
Speaker 1: very importantly, there has been a real lack of pitching
Speaker 1: availability because Michael Ayas did not do a good enough
Speaker 1: job building the team of the offseason, and also the
Speaker 1: lineup isn't good enough. They lost Anthony Santander, who had
Speaker 1: mid already's homers last year, and they replaced him with
Speaker 1: Tyler O'Neil, who hasn't been good since opening day, you know,
Speaker 1: adlely taking a step back. It seems like there's some
Speaker 1: bad luck in there. But it's now been a year
Speaker 1: of this. Gunner has not been his usual stuff. I
Speaker 1: think he was rushed back from the injury that he
Speaker 1: had in spring training. But we're now into late May,
Speaker 1: like you know, those excuses start to run a little
Speaker 1: thin at a certain point. It seems like it's just
Speaker 1: kind of a down start to the year for him.
Speaker 1: Mullins started off hot and then got cold. You know,
Speaker 1: Westburg's been hurt, Cowser has been hurt. But this lineup
Speaker 1: wasn't good enough going into the year, I don't think.
Speaker 1: And the rotation was not even the top twenty rotation
Speaker 1: in baseball coming into the season, and that was before
Speaker 1: Eflyn got hurt and before, like you know, knowing that
Speaker 1: Grayson Roaldriguez has had a lot of injury problems like this,
Speaker 1: it just simply was not good enough that they lost
Speaker 1: Corbyn Burns did not replace him, They lost Santainder replaced
Speaker 1: him with Tyler O'Neill, And I recognize that, so I
Speaker 1: don't want to hold those issues against Tide. There were
Speaker 1: other reasons that I felt like Hyde should have should
Speaker 1: have been let go, But this was not a good
Speaker 1: job in the off season by Michael either.
Speaker 2: No, and that's with getting the best case scenarios so
Speaker 2: far with Tony Yuki Sigano. Like you, this is the
Speaker 2: highest range of outcome for him too, So if you
Speaker 2: weren't getting that, it would be even worse. Do you
Speaker 2: think from a fantasy perspective, are there any major changes here?
Speaker 2: Do you think we're going to see like a Kobe
Speaker 2: Mayo come up and get a long run here or
Speaker 2: do you think it's still going to be status quo
Speaker 2: for the words.
Speaker 1: The thing that's hard to answer about that is one
Speaker 1: of the litany of issues that I have with Brandon
Speaker 1: Hyde is I felt like he was far too deferential
Speaker 1: to Elias and it's hard to know how many of
Speaker 1: the lineup decisions we're coming from Hyde versus Elias and
Speaker 1: Sigma Dell saying like, Hey, our computer says X, Y
Speaker 1: and Z, So start these guys here and play them there.
Speaker 1: And Tony Manzilino is as an interim guy who's has
Speaker 1: it's basically admitted publicly that he's kind of run around
Speaker 1: like a chicken with his head cut off and is
Speaker 1: just like trying to.
Speaker 2: Think.
Speaker 1: I mean, he hasn't said that phrase, but it's been
Speaker 1: kind of implied. I think he said he didn't sleep
Speaker 1: until like the third night after this promotion. And you
Speaker 1: know they the Orioles didn't get the new manager bump.
Speaker 1: They lost like four in a row after after the firing.
Speaker 2: What is that the dead cat bounce? Is that what
Speaker 2: that's called?
Speaker 1: Yeah, but like the dead cat stay dead in this case,
Speaker 1: he has made it clear that he is here for
Speaker 1: the players, like he is not really concerned with anything else,
Speaker 1: is his his own coaching record, whatever. He is there like,
Speaker 1: you know, these players have been through a lot, and
Speaker 1: let's try and get this on track for them and
Speaker 1: put them in the best possible chance to succeed. Jackson
Speaker 1: Holliday has been batting lead off a lot since he's
Speaker 1: taken over. You know I did that some, but you know,
Speaker 1: I hope to see that continue throughout the rest of
Speaker 1: the year. And what I really hope, if you want
Speaker 1: to say, like and you Bordomine, have to write off
Speaker 1: the season, like for the playoffs at this point, they
Speaker 1: are just so far the whole day of digging them
Speaker 1: they've dug for themselves is just too too deep. I
Speaker 1: think that you should be thinking about twenty twenty six
Speaker 1: and you should be saying, I want to get Hessen,
Speaker 1: Kirstad and Kobe Mayo and if he gets called up,
Speaker 1: Samuel Bissio every at bat possible, and I don't care
Speaker 1: if it's against a lefty orl righty. I don't know
Speaker 1: if Elias is gonna approach it that way. I mean,
Speaker 1: another thing that really bothered me with Hyde was the
Speaker 1: just being so so driven by righty versus lefty, even
Speaker 1: ignoring when guys had reverse splits. And I want to
Speaker 1: see Holiday develop against left handed pitching. I want to
Speaker 1: see Kirstad do the same thing. I want to see
Speaker 1: Mayo if he gets called up again, just play every
Speaker 1: day and getting two We've seen it so often that
Speaker 1: these really strong prospects come up and don't hit the
Speaker 1: ground running. And it's happened across baseball, but it happens
Speaker 1: most consistently in Baltimore. And I think a large part
Speaker 1: of that is because these guys don't get consistent at bats.
Speaker 1: The only two players that I can remember right from
Speaker 1: the get go, as soon as they're called up they're
Speaker 1: playing every day are Adley and Gunner, and even they
Speaker 1: to a while to adjust. But everybody else has been
Speaker 1: this like, we're gonna wait for the right matchups and oh,
Speaker 1: you had two hits today, we're gonna sit you tomorrow
Speaker 1: just because you're facing a left tea and said, well, no,
Speaker 1: let's get the let's get the momentum going right. I'm
Speaker 1: locked in. It's a it's a rhythm sport. I just
Speaker 1: that was really frustrating. So I hope Tony Mansalino says, like, listen,
Speaker 1: we're just gonna play the young guys and get them
Speaker 1: at beats. And by the way, this team is talented
Speaker 1: enough that they could go on a run. I don't
Speaker 1: think it's a run to the playoffs, but they could
Speaker 1: go on a run just with guys getting hot, and
Speaker 1: if you ad they had a three run homer yesterday,
Speaker 1: and if Gunner looks like his MVP candidate itself like
Speaker 1: you did a year ago. So the fantasy implications is
Speaker 1: a long winded way of answering that is, I hope
Speaker 1: they just let the players play, and it's not like
Speaker 1: the whole coaching staff has turned over. I have a
Speaker 1: lot of problems with like their approach in the batter's box,
Speaker 1: and I think that does need work, But that's something
Speaker 1: that you revamp with a whole new staff. It's not
Speaker 1: gonna be the change in manager is gonna change all that.
Speaker 1: What you can hope for is that guy start playing
Speaker 1: hard again. I though I was really telling that in
Speaker 1: yesterday's game, their first win with Manson was one of
Speaker 1: their classic like comeback late, winning extra innings, like the
Speaker 1: kind of wins that they were doing all the time
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty three. So if they just start playing
Speaker 1: with a little more heart, excuse me, and giving guys
Speaker 1: every day a chance to get into a rhythm, I
Speaker 1: do think this can benefit fantasy managers.
Speaker 2: I think the other thing that could potentially benefit fantasy
Speaker 2: managers is and it's kind of hard to project this,
Speaker 2: and I'm not saying you can really buy low now,
Speaker 2: but it seems like the season is not going anywhere
Speaker 2: for the Orioles, which means what you're talking about, playing
Speaker 2: the young guys every day is either likely or more
Speaker 2: likely to happen in the second half of the season.
Speaker 2: And so if you can kind of like heading into
Speaker 2: the All Star break, make stash of Kobe Mayo, you know,
Speaker 2: get Kerestad, you know, on the cheap. I do think
Speaker 2: those kind of players could play every day in the
Speaker 2: second half of the season when there isn't a whole
Speaker 2: lot to play for other than player development.
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Speaker 1: Thank you for letting me get that off my chest.
Speaker 1: Mayor and for celebrating to the degree I wanted to
Speaker 1: and for doing it tequila shop.
Speaker 2: And so everyone helped fast forwarded. Now we're heading on
Speaker 2: to second base.
Speaker 1: Because they were Yeah, that's too much Orioles. Stop for
Speaker 1: one episode. All right, let's go to our second topic here.
Speaker 1: This is more, you know, along the lines of close
Speaker 1: to you, near and dear to your heart. The tush
Speaker 1: push survives in the NFL. So we can take maybe
Speaker 1: thirty seconds on that of the I'm sure we've already
Speaker 1: turned off enough of our audience talking too much Orioles,
Speaker 1: but I wanted to kind of spin this into our show.
Speaker 1: What baseball rules would you like to see successfully get banned?
Speaker 1: I will just quickly say, Mayor, and I know you're
Speaker 1: an Eagles fan, so you might hate me for saying this.
Speaker 1: That's actually should have been banned. Now, the reasons for
Speaker 1: it being banned had nothing to do with a lot
Speaker 1: of the talking points from like the Packers or NFL media.
Speaker 1: It is not a safety concern. It is not a
Speaker 1: pace of play concern. It is not because one team
Speaker 1: has perfected it. In fact, most teams are really really
Speaker 1: effective at it. The Eagles just do it way more
Speaker 1: often than everybody else that the Eagles are the best
Speaker 1: at it, but like other teams can be, like the
Speaker 1: Ravens run their own version of it with Mark Andrews,
Speaker 1: Like this is not an Eagles problem. I just don't
Speaker 1: think you should have any plays in football that are
Speaker 1: designed to be one guy gets pushed from behind by
Speaker 1: his teammates or pulled. You know, if it were the
Speaker 1: kind of going the way forward, progress exists to not
Speaker 1: allow that for the defense to push you back. I
Speaker 1: don't see why we allow it for the offense to
Speaker 1: push you forward. It feels unfair to me if it
Speaker 1: happens kind of in a fluke scrum. Like I'm not
Speaker 1: saying you can never push anybody, although I wouldn't be
Speaker 1: opposed to that as a rule, like that's what it
Speaker 1: used to be prior to two thousand and five. But
Speaker 1: I don't like designing plays where the whole point of
Speaker 1: the play is like a guy gets pushed from behind.
Speaker 1: Just let them do sneak, you know, QB sneaks. Jalen
Speaker 1: Hurts will still be the best in football at it.
Speaker 1: So I wanted a band, but not having anything to
Speaker 1: do with the Eagles or safety or any of these
Speaker 1: other talking points, just kind of a general approach to
Speaker 1: the role.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was the That was the whole reason, and
Speaker 2: I think that's why it failed too, that they like
Speaker 2: it was this sham attempt to like call it for
Speaker 2: like player safety and for like pace of play, which
Speaker 2: the only the only time I ever sold down a
Speaker 2: game was when the commanders jumped off side seven times
Speaker 2: in a row. But yeah, I know I didn't feel
Speaker 2: that strongly about it. Obviously as an Eagles fan, I
Speaker 2: was very happy to see the result. And social media
Speaker 2: has been amazing the last one of four hours, especially
Speaker 2: the actual Eagles account just like trolling everyone involved in
Speaker 2: this was it was amazing. But I do agree in
Speaker 2: a lot of senses it could be banned. I do
Speaker 2: agree with the kind of still that was like a
Speaker 2: sham attempt, but kind of expanding it more than just
Speaker 2: the toush push into like you can't because I think
Speaker 2: one of the more dangerous things is when like an
Speaker 2: offensive lineman comes running from five yards away and whow,
Speaker 2: I was into a pile to push everyone forward too,
Speaker 2: like that is a dangerous play and it's also kind
Speaker 2: of a not fair one. So I think, like, like
Speaker 2: you said that kind of stuff could be banned out
Speaker 2: of the game too, and I think it. I think
Speaker 2: it will next year. I think we're just going to
Speaker 2: get one more year of the Brotherly chev.
Speaker 1: I hope it is, but again not for any kind
Speaker 1: of Eagles reason or anything like that. What baseball rules though,
Speaker 1: would you like to see? Band We did kind of
Speaker 1: an episode where we do have a little deeper on
Speaker 1: this last year, but we have a lot of new
Speaker 1: viewers this year. We're our YouTube now, the podcast has grown,
Speaker 1: which were really grateful for, so for kind of some
Speaker 1: of our new listeners. And this is more of just
Speaker 1: a quick kind of reminder because these are similar rules
Speaker 1: that I picked last year and I put two down.
Speaker 1: One is the DH rule, and I said this last year,
Speaker 1: this is my favorite rule change that I would like
Speaker 1: to see. I don't want dhs, but I also don't
Speaker 1: want pictures to hit. I want just eight batters to
Speaker 1: bat in a lineup. And I know there's a lot
Speaker 1: of symmetry with nine in nine innings, and I get it,
Speaker 1: but I don't see why we just designate one player
Speaker 1: to do only half the game. And I know, like
Speaker 1: the Players Association will never let this happen, but like
Speaker 1: I think it should just be the eight players other
Speaker 1: than pitcher do both. And this would get the best
Speaker 1: players more at bats in a season because those guys
Speaker 1: hitting early there would be one few or batter before
Speaker 1: they get up again. I think it would help with
Speaker 1: some of the pitchers are too good problem in baseball too,
Speaker 1: because you're getting through the lineup more quickly, and therefore
Speaker 1: maybe pitchers, you know, are forced to If starters are
Speaker 1: forced to not go as deep when they're not pitching
Speaker 1: well because they're getting through the you know, the face
Speaker 1: and the best hitters more often, then the relievers are
Speaker 1: forced to cover more outs and then you don't get
Speaker 1: this guy coming in who can just throw one hundred
Speaker 1: and three because he's only facing one batter. Like I
Speaker 1: think it helps in a lot of ways, but at
Speaker 1: the end of the day, like I do, think it
Speaker 1: increases offense and it makes every player kind of unequal footing,
Speaker 1: and so I would really like to see the DH
Speaker 1: rule removed, but without bringing back pitchers hitting. What do
Speaker 1: you think about that one?
Speaker 2: I don't hate it, I do even though I grew
Speaker 2: up as an American League fan, I do kind of
Speaker 2: miss the strategy of having to hit and you know
Speaker 2: the late inning, like do I leave my starter in
Speaker 2: who's really good, or like sacrifice him because I need,
Speaker 2: you know, a pinch hitter. It also makes your bench
Speaker 2: more valuable. We just got to the point where pitchers
Speaker 2: were so bad at hitting that it just became like
Speaker 2: a mockery of the game. It was. It was so
Speaker 2: bad that they had to get rid of it. But
Speaker 2: I also don't hate the idea of just getting rid
Speaker 2: of the DH even though one of the greatest players
Speaker 2: in Red Sox's history was DH only, but he could
Speaker 2: play first base. David Ortiz, Yeah, I don't hate the
Speaker 2: idea overall. I hadn't considered the getting through the lineup
Speaker 2: quicker aspect of it, because that would make things more interesting,
Speaker 2: Like having to face Aaron Judge, whatever percent it is,
Speaker 2: ten percent more times a season is interesting.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And like you know, even just from like the
Speaker 1: excitement of the early parts of the game, like Gunnar Henderson,
Speaker 1: if he's your leadoff hitter, I want to guarantee that
Speaker 1: he's batting twice in the first three innings. That happens
Speaker 1: in the scenario, and your first three hitters are you know,
Speaker 1: are more. If you just get a couple guys on base,
Speaker 1: you're not waiting till any four for that second. I
Speaker 1: it's ending three now, and I just think over time
Speaker 1: it's gonna add up to kind of more fun and
Speaker 1: more at bats for the players. We love. The other
Speaker 1: rule that I want to throw out, and I've said
Speaker 1: this one before too, I would change the pitcher wins
Speaker 1: rule so this isn't an on field one, which is
Speaker 1: kind of why I made it second. But like, I
Speaker 1: think the official scorekeeper of a game should have the
Speaker 1: leeway to decide which pitcher gets to win, or to
Speaker 1: decide that none of them should get the win. I
Speaker 1: don't think we need to be behold into this rule
Speaker 1: of like whoever happened to be on the mound when
Speaker 1: your team took the lead is the one who gets
Speaker 1: to win? Like I think it just happened with Yamamoto,
Speaker 1: like two days ago, he went seven shutout innings, just
Speaker 1: awesome start, but then his bullpen blew the lead in
Speaker 1: the ninth and they won it in the tenth, So
Speaker 1: he went seven shutout innings, the Dodgers won the game
Speaker 1: and was the tenth of the eleventh inning. But he
Speaker 1: doesn't get the win. It was a bullpen guy who
Speaker 1: got two outs in the game instead gets to win.
Speaker 1: That's ridiculous to me. I think we allow the official
Speaker 1: scorekeeper were to determine what is a hit versus an error,
Speaker 1: Like why can't we trust these people to say, like
Speaker 1: very obviously Yamamoto should have gotten the win in that game.
Speaker 1: It happens all the time. I think we should, uh,
Speaker 1: we should have that leeway to decide who gets to
Speaker 1: win there.
Speaker 2: I'd love to see the stats if we went back
Speaker 2: in history and like saw who ended up with the
Speaker 2: most wins overall. We wouldn't have to go back that
Speaker 2: that far because way back when they didn't even use bullpens.
Speaker 2: It was just like you went out and this is
Speaker 2: your start, and you just pitched to your armfro off
Speaker 2: and you either got the winner you didn't. That's why
Speaker 2: stay Young has the most wins and most losses in
Speaker 2: baseball history. But it would be interesting to kind of
Speaker 2: go back and see, you know, if we if we
Speaker 2: rewrote the rule, like you know, maybe like this pitchure
Speaker 2: ends up with like eighty more wins than he previously
Speaker 2: had in the record books.
Speaker 1: It's it's the same thing with losses too, though, Like
Speaker 1: if Paul Skiens gives up one run in six and
Speaker 1: two thirds and the Pirates don't score any but then
Speaker 1: you know, after he leaves the game, the next reliever
Speaker 1: gives up five runs and the Pirates score four, and
Speaker 1: all of a sudden it's a six to four loss.
Speaker 1: But Schemes will give up one run in seven innings, like,
Speaker 1: I don't think he should bet the loss in that scenario.
Speaker 1: So it goes both ways for me, but kind of
Speaker 1: assigning wins and losses and I think too nine times
Speaker 1: out of ten, ninety nine times out of one hundred.
Speaker 1: Maybe you're not gonna there's not gonna be a controversy, right,
Speaker 1: There's not gonna be like, oh wow, the scorekeeper gave
Speaker 1: that guy the decision in this GUF.
Speaker 2: I was gonna say, who's pretty obvious? Who makes the
Speaker 2: final call? Because we can't let the hometown scorekeepers. It's
Speaker 2: bad enough we let them do like hits and errors,
Speaker 2: which are sometimes ridiculous, but we can't have them picking
Speaker 2: wins and losses.
Speaker 1: I would be fine with having them picking wins and losses,
Speaker 1: because they give you obvious more often than not. I
Speaker 1: get your point about the hometown bias and stuff. Maybe
Speaker 1: there's like a you know, kind of a representative of
Speaker 1: Major League Baseball that can oversee it. Again, most of
Speaker 1: the time, it's not it's gonna be very clear year,
Speaker 1: I think. But for those situations where the rule really
Speaker 1: fails our pitchers, I would like to see it changed.
Speaker 1: All right, who what are their rules you want to
Speaker 1: see changed?
Speaker 2: So I threw a few out there because I don't
Speaker 2: think we have to spend too much time on them.
Speaker 2: And a couple of them, or at least one of
Speaker 2: my band I banned. I mentioned last year I wrote
Speaker 2: ban the Shift ban. I hate that we banned the shift.
Speaker 2: I want to bring the shift back. I think you
Speaker 2: should line up wherever you want. If you want to
Speaker 2: put eight guys in right field, I think you should
Speaker 2: be able to. I do agree that baseball got a
Speaker 2: little ridiculous with the you know, second basement like in
Speaker 2: the extra right fielder, but that was more because hitters
Speaker 2: didn't adjust. They were just like the Joey Gallo approach,
Speaker 2: like I'm just going to try it at home run
Speaker 2: anyway and hit into the shift every time, whereas if
Speaker 2: they just went the other way, they'd be a three
Speaker 2: hundred hitter or you know, they'd have to adjust the shift,
Speaker 2: but I just always thought the shift was fun. It
Speaker 2: resulted in like some wacky double plays and guys getting
Speaker 2: thrown out at first basement right field. I enjoyed the
Speaker 2: shift and think you should be able to do whatever
Speaker 2: you want, just kind of like what you can do
Speaker 2: on defense for the most part in football.
Speaker 1: I don't want to go too long on this, but
Speaker 1: I actually really disagree on this.
Speaker 2: I I.
Speaker 1: Can't stand watching like the cleanest line drive single that
Speaker 1: has been a clean line drive single for one hundred
Speaker 1: years of baseball and it gets caught, and that that's
Speaker 1: not just like when you were seeing that kind of
Speaker 1: full Ted Williams shift with three players to the side
Speaker 1: of a bag, but up the middle. I can't tell
Speaker 1: you how frustrating it is to see a player rip
Speaker 1: a line drive over the pitcher's head. It is literally
Speaker 1: a perfect piece of hitting when I was.
Speaker 2: In a happen though even with the current role, that
Speaker 2: still happens.
Speaker 1: I know, and it's frustrating. I don't like that either.
Speaker 1: I just hate what should be that there's a very
Speaker 1: obvious straight for a clean single and it's just an
Speaker 1: easy out. I really don't like that. And I said
Speaker 1: from the beginning with the shift that I was comfortable with,
Speaker 1: you know, fielders being wherever they want it to be
Speaker 1: as long as there were two infielders on either side
Speaker 1: of second house. That's just all I'm asking is that
Speaker 1: we don't have three on one side, and beyond that,
Speaker 1: you can do whatever you want. I'm not saying they
Speaker 1: should change it from that, but I am getting more
Speaker 1: and more frustrated with You're like you said, it's still
Speaker 1: happening when it goes up the middle now and guys
Speaker 1: are just standing right there. I don't think it really
Speaker 1: works to put like a zone that you're not allowed
Speaker 1: to start in up there. But I get frustrated and
Speaker 1: it feels like it's not baseball. I'm like again, like
Speaker 1: you use the other thing too, mayor is it is
Speaker 1: so hard to hit now with the velocity you face
Speaker 1: on every pitch, with the movement that these pictures are
Speaker 1: capable of doing. Pictures are so good that I really
Speaker 1: push back against the argument of hitters didn't adjust properly.
Speaker 1: It's hard enough to hit against modern pitching. To then
Speaker 1: also say like, by the way, this like you know,
Speaker 1: clean single that you hit that has been a clean
Speaker 1: single forever is now also an out. Like that's just
Speaker 1: so frustrating, and I get why batters are then just
Speaker 1: say listen, I'm just swinging for the fences or taking
Speaker 1: the strikeout. When that keeps happening, I just think pictures
Speaker 1: are too good and it doesn't feel like baseball to me.
Speaker 2: I'm fine with that. I know I'm in the minority there.
Speaker 2: You want you only to hit my next three rapid
Speaker 2: fires so we don't go too long. Okay, So the
Speaker 2: other one I wrote is banned the check swing nonsense,
Speaker 2: and I have a very simple take on this. I
Speaker 2: think the check swing is one of the most subjective
Speaker 2: things in sports. And like you said, if we're if
Speaker 2: we're letting people pick wins and losses, you have like
Speaker 2: a ninety nine percent accuracy. I think we're around fifty
Speaker 2: to sixty percent accuracy and check swings because no one
Speaker 2: knows what the actual rule is. It's absurd and they're
Speaker 2: just like you point down to first base. I have
Speaker 2: no idea what that. I'm just going to say because
Speaker 2: they're just making it up. And so I think we
Speaker 2: need to figure out what an actual check swing is
Speaker 2: define it and then do away with whatever we're doing
Speaker 2: right now because it's not working. And I feel like
Speaker 2: I'm the only one who gets annoyed by that. I
Speaker 2: also want to ban umpire immunity. I hate that these
Speaker 2: atrocious umpires can just work in baseball forever and like
Speaker 2: not get fined, not get punished, not get suspended. There
Speaker 2: was an umpire in the Red Sox game the other day.
Speaker 2: He there was a player I don't know if he
Speaker 2: saw the Walker Buehler play, but he threw a picture
Speaker 2: ye right down the middle, and the catcher jumped up
Speaker 2: to throw out a runner who was stealing second. The
Speaker 2: ump missed the call because the catcher stood up to
Speaker 2: throw out the runner. But this picture was right down
Speaker 2: the middle. And then Buehler said, like, that was right
Speaker 2: down the middle. And then the umpire like came out
Speaker 2: and confronted Walker Bueller, and Walker Bueller like walked to him,
Speaker 2: and then he threw Bueller out of the game for
Speaker 2: coming off the mound. But it was like, you went
Speaker 2: after the pitcher first, and so I hate that aspect
Speaker 2: that umpire's going to do whatever they want. And then
Speaker 2: the last one I wrote is band Yankee Stadium, and
Speaker 2: I don't I wrote that as a joke. I don't
Speaker 2: really mean band Yankee Stadium. But one thing I love
Speaker 2: about baseball is how every ballpark is unique and has
Speaker 2: all these fun dimensions. I think rightfield Yankee Stadium is
Speaker 2: just a joke, and I know that the pushback for me,
Speaker 2: as Red Sox fan, is a Fenway Park is crazy.
Speaker 2: My comeback to that is always that they just built
Speaker 2: Fenway Park out of necessity because of the space they had.
Speaker 2: That's why they built the wall. They just had no
Speaker 2: more room. Nankee Stadium brand new, and they rebuilt the
Speaker 2: same thing again as a joke. So I do think
Speaker 2: there should be like some minimums and maximums for these fences,
Speaker 2: and within those you know, dimensions, you can do whatever
Speaker 2: you want. But like the fact that you can hit
Speaker 2: a foul pop up to right field in the Yek
Speaker 2: Stadium and get forty home runs is absurd to me.
Speaker 1: I want to quickly respond to these the check swing.
Speaker 1: I think that you should be able to check your
Speaker 1: swing even if your back goes past the front of
Speaker 1: the plate. Like I think we should just say, like
Speaker 1: that's it's not a full swing unless it's a full swing. Like,
Speaker 1: I think the line of this is too far for
Speaker 1: a check sing should be a few inches in front
Speaker 1: of the plate. I think a lot of people might
Speaker 1: disagree with that, but I, like, I just don't. I
Speaker 1: don't think like that extra two inches like constitutes a
Speaker 1: full swing, Like it just needs to be.
Speaker 2: That's what I want, Like whatever it is, make it
Speaker 2: like like what you said would be more obvious than like, oh,
Speaker 2: I think he went strike, Like at least what you're saying,
Speaker 2: like it would be clear you went too far.
Speaker 1: And then the umpire immunity stuff like yes, half the times,
Speaker 1: the problem with the umpires is that they go after
Speaker 1: the players, and the players get in trouble free retaliating.
Speaker 1: I saw somebody say during the Walker Bueller stuff, I said,
Speaker 1: I thought it was a great point on Twitter. If
Speaker 1: if a player gets ejected for arguing a call, not
Speaker 1: for like being disrespectful or whatever arguing the call then and
Speaker 1: the end they get ejected, then there should be an
Speaker 1: immediate review of the call and if the player was right,
Speaker 1: they are not ejected, like and the umpire I don't know,
Speaker 1: has to pay a fine or something.
Speaker 2: I thought that is that the umpire gets ejected.
Speaker 1: But well, I was going to say that, but then
Speaker 1: I don't think that's actually should be the case, because
Speaker 1: you can't have like a bunch of umpires like at
Speaker 1: the ready to come in or.
Speaker 2: Whatever but play a man down but figure it out.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, but yeah, these are good ones. All right,
Speaker 1: let's go through our news and notes. We're running a
Speaker 1: little long here, so we'll go really quickly on these.
Speaker 1: You had, you had the first few of these, so
Speaker 1: go ahead through that.
Speaker 2: So I have Spencer Strider returns and it wasn't great,
Speaker 2: So that there was newsworthy in a good way that
Speaker 2: he's back on the mound, but it didn't didn't look great.
Speaker 2: His velocity was down. I've seen some people making a
Speaker 2: much bigger deal about the velocity, Like he's still touched
Speaker 2: ninety seven a couple of times. So I still think
Speaker 2: this is just him working back, and you know, like
Speaker 2: even if he's around like ninety five ninety six, I
Speaker 2: think he'll be fine. But it was concerning that, you know,
Speaker 2: he came back and it didn't look great. And then
Speaker 2: a good Ronald mccuna development is that it sounds like
Speaker 2: he could be back as early as this weekend. I
Speaker 2: know we've been talking recently recently on the show that
Speaker 2: I was a little frustrated that he hadn't really started
Speaker 2: a rehab assignment, you know, by mid May, and I
Speaker 2: was like, you know, he hasn't had a spring training.
Speaker 2: Who knows how long this rehabit signment's going to be.
Speaker 2: But it sounds like then he started the rehab assignment,
Speaker 2: he was already playing full games, playing the outfield. And
Speaker 2: it sounds like, according to some of the reports I read,
Speaker 2: that he was already kind of doing his own mini
Speaker 2: spring training, like you know, playing like sim games and
Speaker 2: playing the field and so like, it wasn't like he
Speaker 2: was going out to these this rehab assignment cold. He
Speaker 2: had already really been kind of playing in games. And
Speaker 2: so he's a lot closer to returning than we thought.
Speaker 2: So it sounds like he could be back a SORTI
Speaker 2: this weekend. By the time you're listening to.
Speaker 1: This, George Kirby is returning. I believe he's pitching today
Speaker 1: the day we're recording this. He's gonna be pitching every
Speaker 1: six days for now. It sounds like before the others,
Speaker 1: I think he's kind of the biggest name that I
Speaker 1: did when I at least ask a follow up on
Speaker 1: where are you ranking Kirby rest of the season now
Speaker 1: that he's back.
Speaker 2: That's a good question because my starting pitching rankings have
Speaker 2: been all over the place recently. I've been moving people
Speaker 2: up and down, and there's like bigger names I've been
Speaker 2: holding on to and just kind of like, I guess
Speaker 2: I kind of have to drop this guy. I haven't
Speaker 2: moved him yet because I kind of had him buried
Speaker 2: because we didn't know where he was gonna gonna be.
Speaker 2: I have him in like the mid thirties right now,
Speaker 2: but I don't know how far I'm going to move
Speaker 2: him up. Like there was a bunch of pictures above
Speaker 2: him that I'm completely fine moving him above Gosman, Snell, Aaronola.
Speaker 2: I can move him above Aaronola, Clay Holmes, Bryce Miller
Speaker 2: for sure. I feel like I'll like high twenties probably
Speaker 2: to start and to see how you look.
Speaker 1: I think that the only pitching every six days is
Speaker 1: a little you know, not frustrating, I get it, but
Speaker 1: like you know, makes it a little harder for fantasy managers.
Speaker 1: We'll see along that last Robert Hassel the third is
Speaker 1: making his debut, or he might have already done it
Speaker 1: actually till and Cruz goes to the IL, so he
Speaker 1: gets caught up from the Nationals. Another one of these,
Speaker 1: you know, high pedigree prospects, so we'll see how he does.
Speaker 1: Somebody to keep an eye on. Jared Jones officially gets
Speaker 1: elbow surgery out ten to twelve months. We kind of
Speaker 1: anticipated that coming, but you know, this is obviously Donnington
Speaker 1: now impacts twenty twenty six as well. And then the
Speaker 1: last thing that I do want to get your follow
Speaker 1: up on is we kind of have some new statcast
Speaker 1: metrics with this, like a swing, you know, bat tracking stuff.
Speaker 1: Do you have any thoughts on that, any kind of
Speaker 1: fantasy relevance to these metrics for you or.
Speaker 2: I do and I don't. We talked about it briefly
Speaker 2: the other day when it was kind of first announced.
Speaker 2: I love the the access to all this information. I
Speaker 2: saw something on Twitter this morning with a really cool
Speaker 2: write up about like Corbyn Carroll and how we fixed
Speaker 2: his swing and how it was too flat. Like that
Speaker 2: stuff's all really cool because you can kind of see
Speaker 2: what went wrong. And not only hear Corbyn Carroll talk
Speaker 2: about the fix, but then I actually see in the
Speaker 2: act data the fixed happening in real time. I do
Speaker 2: think we're getting like so much information now that it's
Speaker 2: almost like overload, and I think we're gonna overanalyze some
Speaker 2: of these players, and we already see like some players
Speaker 2: who just kind of like consistently outperform their metrics. I
Speaker 2: do think it's gonna be really valuable for like something
Speaker 2: like that, like is this player slumping, Like what is
Speaker 2: drastically different? Like is he hot? What is drastically different
Speaker 2: versus in the off season. I think we're gonna go
Speaker 2: like head over heels into all this stuff and project
Speaker 2: sleepers and busts based on, you know, overvaluing some of
Speaker 2: this stuff. So I think it's really cool. The more
Speaker 2: data the better. It is a little overwhelming that there
Speaker 2: might be like too much to evaluate now, so I
Speaker 2: have like mixed feelings about it.
Speaker 1: Let's shove into our last segment here, grade the Trade.
Speaker 1: We throughout some real trades that have happened in some
Speaker 1: of the leagues that you and I play in, and
Speaker 1: are going to kind of discuss what we think of them.
Speaker 1: Like I said, these are actual trades that have happened
Speaker 1: in our leagues. Some of the ones that I put
Speaker 1: in here are like a couple of weeks old. I
Speaker 1: wanted to throw out it's not like these are all
Speaker 1: in the last week or anything, but these are just
Speaker 1: kind of any of the trades that have happened this year.
Speaker 1: So I just wanted to kind of give that context.
Speaker 1: I also have a trade from a listener who has
Speaker 1: DMed me a bunch, Andrew, who's a great supporter of
Speaker 1: the show, and he actually just this morning messaged me
Speaker 1: a trade that he did, and so I figured I
Speaker 1: would include that one as well. But some of the
Speaker 1: trades from the leagues that we're in, Reese Olsen traded
Speaker 1: for Devin Williams. What would you grade this one?
Speaker 2: So I wanted to ask how he wanted to grade this.
Speaker 2: I was thinking more of grading it on the scale
Speaker 2: of you know those like surveys where it's like neutral, agree,
Speaker 2: strongly agree, strongly disagree. I was gonna, I feel like
Speaker 2: on this one, I agree with the Devin Williams side.
Speaker 2: I'm like agree close to strongly geer with the Devin
Speaker 2: Williams side, just because I think it's your your banking.
Speaker 1: Do you think he gets back to the closer role, That's.
Speaker 2: That's what you're banking on. But I also think if
Speaker 2: if the price to find out is Reese Olsen, like no,
Speaker 2: no problem.
Speaker 1: I actually almost put him Devin Williams as my cell
Speaker 1: high in our part two of this week's show. I
Speaker 1: ended up changing that, but I considered Williams because he's
Speaker 1: pitched really well lately. But it doesn't seem like they're
Speaker 1: that inclined to put him back into the closer role.
Speaker 1: And there's only so much value you can give you
Speaker 1: if he's not getting you saves, and plus who knows
Speaker 1: that this is just maybe a hot streak like or
Speaker 1: if he's actually turned the corner. But I agree with
Speaker 1: you ultimately that Olsen is a fair you know, I'm
Speaker 1: willing to spend him to maybe take the chance on
Speaker 1: getting an elite closer if it works out that way.
Speaker 1: So I would agree with you on that one. Royce
Speaker 1: Lewis traded for Francisco Alvarez, and I wanted to point
Speaker 1: out this is a two catcher league.
Speaker 2: This was an interesting one. Obviously, two catcher league is
Speaker 2: important to one cutcher league. To no brainer Royce Lewis,
Speaker 2: I am lower than contensus on both of these players,
Speaker 2: but the Royce Lewis one is most mostly injury related.
Speaker 2: He just can't stay healthy. But when he is on
Speaker 2: the field, he looks really, really good. So I think
Speaker 2: the upside is more on the Royce Lewis side. Even
Speaker 2: though it's the two catcher league. I have my doubts
Speaker 2: about Francisco Alvarez and his profile, so I lean royce
Speaker 2: Lewis especially. Obviously two catcher leagues and catchers is gonna
Speaker 2: be very shallow. But like the fact that you can
Speaker 2: get a living, breathing third basement in Royce Lewis in
Speaker 2: twenty twenty five, I think it's worth it. So why
Speaker 2: I would put agree with the royce Lewis side.
Speaker 1: I would agree with you on that one as well.
Speaker 1: This was a really fun one. This one is from
Speaker 1: late April, so it's not it's you know, a little
Speaker 1: over three weeks old. But because of the names included
Speaker 1: I wanted to included. And again two catcher league, it's
Speaker 1: the same league. Pete crow Armstrong for cal Raley, what
Speaker 1: do you think about that one?
Speaker 2: That's a really fascinating one. Cal Raley.
Speaker 1: Obviously that one got some some veto votes in our league.
Speaker 1: We have a veto rule in that league, and it passed,
Speaker 1: but it got some some pushback from some folks.
Speaker 2: So I'm guessing because it's a couple of weeks old,
Speaker 2: they didn't leave in the Peaker Armstrong side, and they thought, yes, okay,
Speaker 2: I mean you're wrong. Now, I know.
Speaker 1: It's I was gonna say, it looks it looks like
Speaker 1: almost a Vito in the other way. I mean, I
Speaker 1: think ultimately, given that it's a two catcher league, it
Speaker 1: probably is fair. I think it's a fair I would
Speaker 1: call this very fair now. But in a moment, a
Speaker 1: lot of people were like, why would you give up
Speaker 1: cal Raley for peek Crow Armstrong.
Speaker 2: Now, I was just sorry. I didn't mean to rep
Speaker 2: to you. I was just looking at for some for
Speaker 2: prepping for other parts of the show. I was actually
Speaker 2: looking at our Fantasy pros VBR of like stats for
Speaker 2: the year peak Armstrong is third. He's the third most
Speaker 2: valuable fantasy player right now through May twenty second, and yeah,
Speaker 2: like I have him as a cell high. I have
Speaker 2: had him as a cell high. I still think he
Speaker 2: probably is, but it's also kind of hard to argue
Speaker 2: with the counting stats right now with twelve our months
Speaker 2: and fourteen still vases.
Speaker 1: Probably the most fun story in baseball earlier part of
Speaker 1: the season. Am I forgetting somebody? I think his emergence
Speaker 1: has been kind of the most fun thing to track.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would say so, I've already seen other I
Speaker 2: think I forget who was one of the baseball analysts
Speaker 2: the other day said he might be already one of
Speaker 2: the best position players in baseball, or you know, I
Speaker 2: don't know if he was kind ofab well.
Speaker 1: He definitely has been this season. I mean, who knows
Speaker 1: about if it will last, and it comes down of it,
Speaker 1: but if you're just looking at what's happened in twenty
Speaker 1: twenty five, he's unquestionably Yeah, when you consider the defense
Speaker 1: as well. And the last one from one of my leagues,
Speaker 1: Ryan Helsley, traded for Kittel Marte. This is a trade
Speaker 1: that got accepted but then vetoed in the league, and
Speaker 1: there are some keeper elements. Both guys are pretty good values.
Speaker 1: None of them is like an insane elite keeper value.
Speaker 1: But they're both good values keepers like relative to where
Speaker 1: they are. But Ryan Helsley and the guy has no
Speaker 1: the guy who was trading away kittel Marte had zero closers.
Speaker 1: Helsey for Kittel Marte. It did give Vito so right.
Speaker 2: At the mat, I would say strongly disagree with vetoing
Speaker 2: something that like unless it's like really really absurd, I'm
Speaker 2: pretty anti Veta veto. So like, if two adult competent
Speaker 2: managers want to make a trade, like let him as
Speaker 2: long as it's not like something that's really going to
Speaker 2: upend the league and piss people off. But I feel
Speaker 2: like this is fair enough that I don't see why
Speaker 2: it would need to be vetoed.
Speaker 1: So so one thing I will say, the guy who
Speaker 1: was trying to trade away Marte, I don't and I
Speaker 1: don't think he listens to the show. I don't think
Speaker 1: he is a competent manager. It's his first year and
Speaker 1: it's it's kind of a long running league. But some
Speaker 1: of the people in the fringe end are just kind
Speaker 1: of random people that have been picked up, like you know,
Speaker 1: random users on CBS, like, hey, we're looking for a
Speaker 1: person to just fill the last spot in this league.
Speaker 1: And like his draft this season was jaw droppingly bad,
Speaker 1: like like to the point where it's confusing, Like it
Speaker 1: did he make a mistake like almost with every pick?
Speaker 1: So I do like you say it as long as
Speaker 1: he's two adult competent, Like I don't know that he
Speaker 1: is a competent manager for whatever that that matters.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean you would have to agree with the
Speaker 2: Catel Marte side of it just because of the upside there.
Speaker 2: I mean, like I am not the biggest believer in
Speaker 2: his in his profile, but also like the guy batted
Speaker 2: like two ninety something with thirty five from he.
Speaker 1: Was like the consensus two b one coming into the
Speaker 1: season for like a good not elite closer. So yeah,
Speaker 1: I understand the side of you know, obviously strongly preferring Marte,
Speaker 1: and then I'll read the one from Andrew our listener,
Speaker 1: and then we'll get into the ones from your leagues.
Speaker 1: So he was expecting to get Jesus Lozardo for Luis Robert,
Speaker 1: so in anticipation of that, he traded Clay Holmes for Rooker,
Speaker 1: trying to get an outfielder back, figuring he was kind
Speaker 1: of upgrading a picture from Holmes to Lozardo, so he
Speaker 1: traded Holmes for Rooker. Then the guy backed out on
Speaker 1: the Robert for Lozardo deal, so he felt like, Okay,
Speaker 1: well now I need to get a picture because I
Speaker 1: just traded away Holmes, so he traded away He also
Speaker 1: he picked up Nick Kurtz on Waivers this morning because
Speaker 1: he had had him and then dropped him out of frustration.
Speaker 1: Then he had this three home runs to two nights,
Speaker 1: so he picked him back up this morning. And so
Speaker 1: but I know he was messaging me last night and
Speaker 1: he was like, I had to take one for the
Speaker 1: community with his bad luck to get him to get
Speaker 1: Kurtz going. So then he traded away Jacob Wilson for Sandy.
Speaker 1: So ultimately I know that was a lot of names.
Speaker 1: Ultimately what ended up happening. He thought he had some
Speaker 1: other stuff happening, It didn't happen. Ultimately we ended up
Speaker 1: doing was trading away Jacob Wilson and Clay Holmes. And
Speaker 1: this is over the course of two different deals, but
Speaker 1: trading away Wilson and Holmes and getting Brent Rooker and
Speaker 1: Sandy al Kintar. So what do you think about that one?
Speaker 2: I think the first thing you need to do is
Speaker 2: not make contingent trades without them both sides locked in.
Speaker 2: You need to have both sides agreed and then like
Speaker 2: hit Sam and on both of them at the same time,
Speaker 2: like because like What happens is you agree to one
Speaker 2: and then the other person's like, well, I don't I
Speaker 2: feel like if that player went for that, I can
Speaker 2: probably get more from my player, and then they back
Speaker 2: out of your deal, so you need to do them
Speaker 2: both simultaneously.
Speaker 1: What I would say in his defense, though, is I
Speaker 1: don't think you needed to get the Lozardo deal done
Speaker 1: for Holmes for Rooker to be a good move, Like
Speaker 1: I like that move just in a vacuum.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, as long as it doesn't like upend your
Speaker 2: roster bounce. What was the I'm sorry, what was the
Speaker 2: actual trade again? When the dust.
Speaker 1: Settled, Clay Holmes for Rooker, okay, and Jacob Wilson for
Speaker 1: Sandy al Contra.
Speaker 2: I feel like, with how good Jacob Wilson, I mean
Speaker 2: like I am buying well on Sandy, so I get it.
Speaker 2: I feel like Jacob Wilson has been so good that
Speaker 2: you're kind of overpaying for Sandy.
Speaker 1: He also picked up kurtz off Waivers, and he said
Speaker 1: he had four a's now because he traded for Rooker,
Speaker 1: so he was like kind of willing to get rid
Speaker 1: of one of them.
Speaker 2: That's fair, Wilson, I mean, that's there I think ultimately
Speaker 2: those are all fine deals. I think you overpaid for
Speaker 2: Sandy a little bit based on where we are, but but.
Speaker 1: I also you got a value on Rooker. I really
Speaker 1: like buying low on Rooker.
Speaker 2: Yeah, especially in that ballpark. Is you know, assuming he
Speaker 2: gets better, which I think you will.
Speaker 1: All right, give me your two trades, then we'll get
Speaker 1: out of.
Speaker 2: Here, all right. I think I think I actually made
Speaker 2: both these trades. I'm in the really fun league. It's
Speaker 2: my first year in this league, and I've never seen
Speaker 2: a league trade like this before. It's a big money league.
Speaker 1: It was.
Speaker 2: It was a high pay in most of the I'm
Speaker 2: on in it by myself, which I hopefully I won't
Speaker 2: be in next year. A lot of it's so expensive
Speaker 2: that a lot of people actually share teams. But there
Speaker 2: are just trades every day. I get like four or
Speaker 2: five offers a day in this league, and so it's
Speaker 2: kind of wild. You know, it's another league that Dan
Speaker 2: Harris is in. Until we're texting about it all the time,
Speaker 2: and a lot of a lot of times we're getting
Speaker 2: offers from the same managers. So it's kind of fun
Speaker 2: to like see him kind of like dance around the
Speaker 2: league and get all these offers. But it is very
Speaker 2: interesting to see all the trades going down. So this
Speaker 2: one is, you know, kind of in the lower end,
Speaker 2: but as Brandon would druft for Xavier Edwards. So it's
Speaker 2: kind of a by low on Exavier Edwards. But then
Speaker 2: also I'm the one who traded away Brandon Woodruff. I'd
Speaker 2: been stashing him. I have not loved what I've seen
Speaker 2: in you know, the lower velocity in the rehab assignment.
Speaker 2: He was someone that I was kind of like stashing,
Speaker 2: hoping I can get some you know, mid May juice
Speaker 2: out of him, and I could use a little bit
Speaker 2: of speed. And I also have I also made to trade,
Speaker 2: so I have some extra pitching. And so I forget
Speaker 2: who he This manager initially asked for a ranger Suarez
Speaker 2: and I countered with Brandon Woodruff and he said throwing
Speaker 2: ten dollars in fab and it's a deal, and I
Speaker 2: said done. So I sent Brandon Woodruff for Xavier Edwards.
Speaker 2: What do you think about that?
Speaker 1: I think I would prefer Woodruff, but I think it's
Speaker 1: close to neutral, Like it's not like on that scale
Speaker 1: you said, It's not like a strongly agree or strongly disagree.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And for like roster context, it was kind of
Speaker 2: like Edwards is going to be like my last utility
Speaker 2: or mid in fielder, like maybe not even start some weeks.
Speaker 2: And Woodrod was kind of kind of be like an
Speaker 2: extra arm. I was either gonna have to drop him
Speaker 2: or someone else. Anyway, when he comes back, I think
Speaker 2: that helps. Yeah, And then the last one is I
Speaker 2: kind of wanted some more pitching volume and wasn't loving
Speaker 2: like what I'd been streaming, and this manager put out feelers.
Speaker 2: He just posted on the lead board. Look, he was like,
Speaker 2: I'm looking for and you know I always talk on
Speaker 2: the show about trading like hitters for pictures. I see
Speaker 2: a lot of examples of like, you know, trading this
Speaker 2: picture for this picture, and I'm like, why are you
Speaker 2: trading pictures for pictures? You should always be the other way.
Speaker 2: But this manager posted, I'm looking to you know, I
Speaker 2: have extra pitching. I'm looking to flip two pictures for
Speaker 2: potential upgrade. And so I sent him a couple offers.
Speaker 2: One of them was Luis Castillo for Dustin May and
Speaker 2: Sandy al Contra, which I have come concerns about Luis Castillo,
Speaker 2: and so it was in my mind I was kind
Speaker 2: of selling high on him for two when I think
Speaker 2: are kind of bilows because I think, I don't know
Speaker 2: if this is going to happen, but I think there's
Speaker 2: a world where both Estamate and Saniel Contra are have
Speaker 2: better numbers than Luis Castillo by the end of the season.
Speaker 2: Maybe not, but I think there's a world where it happens.
Speaker 2: But getting both of them for just him I was
Speaker 2: happy to do. But what do you think about that one?
Speaker 1: I wouldn't say I strongly agree or disagree. I would
Speaker 1: say a regular agree on the may Al Contra side.
Speaker 2: So I like the move. Yeah, and it's it's possible
Speaker 2: it blows up on me too, But I think there's
Speaker 2: also a possibility that Luis Castillo blows up soon.
Speaker 1: Well, And I like that you're getting two bylows, right,
Speaker 1: it's not just one, and so you're you're kind of
Speaker 1: doubling your chances of if one of them hits that
Speaker 1: it looks fair. And if both of them hit then
Speaker 1: it's a great deal. So and and I like the
Speaker 1: case for both of them as bilow's and I like
Speaker 1: the case for Castillo as a sell So I'm on board.
Speaker 1: With that, we'll wrap up this segment of the cycle
Speaker 1: on that one went a little bit longer for everybody.
Speaker 1: Hopefully they enjoyed, uh, you know everything, the long Orioles
Speaker 1: conversation and the football conversation and all this stuff that
Speaker 1: our audience usually hates. Sofday, we're okay with today. And
Speaker 1: the tequila. Oh, they love the tequila. We know that.
Speaker 1: If there's any rules that you with the audience thinks
Speaker 1: should be changed in baseball, please drop those in the comments.
Speaker 1: Let us know what other rules you would like to
Speaker 1: see band or added, or does any other kind of
Speaker 1: fun rules changes you want to see with baseball. Also,
Speaker 1: feel free to drop any trades you comments, and Mayor
Speaker 1: will hop into comments and give his thoughts on those.
Speaker 1: I'll volunteer him as tribute for that. For Mayor, I'm
Speaker 1: Ryan Wrman. Thanks for tuning in. Be sure to check
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