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Speaker 1: Hello, everybody, Welcome into the Cycle. I am Ryan Warmley,

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Speaker 1: joined as always by Mike Mayor. We are talking all

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Speaker 1: things fantasy baseball. This is part one of three parts

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Speaker 1: of the cycle, as we give to you every single week.

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Speaker 1: We are rounding the basis with some trending topics, some

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Speaker 1: news updates, some bigger picture stuff. This is kind of

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Speaker 1: the catch all part of the show where we talk

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Speaker 1: about really whatever it is that comes to mind for us.

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Speaker 1: How are you doing here today, Mayor?

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Speaker 2: I'm doing good. I'm really excited to get into this

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Speaker 2: first segment to see if you're actually gonna drink alcohol

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Speaker 2: on camera.

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Speaker 1: Yes. Our first topic here is Brandon Hyde was fired

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Speaker 1: a few days ago, and Worm does a tequila shot. Now.

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Speaker 1: I promised to our audience that I would do with

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Speaker 1: tequila shot on the show if Brandon Hyde was fired.

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Speaker 1: It is ten am my time, Mayor here in Denver

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Speaker 1: as of when we're recording this today, and I am

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Speaker 1: still going to live up to it. So I have

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Speaker 1: brought a little espolonneo and how do you pronounce it?

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Speaker 1: Repisodo tequila here. I'm also rocking an Oriol shirt today

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Speaker 1: kind of in celebration. Is a Funne One. It's like

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Speaker 1: the Beatles, but it's like it's you know, Crossing Abbey Road,

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Speaker 1: but it's four Oiols players. If anybody's watching YouTube, it's

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Speaker 1: great shirt. They get compliments on it all the time.

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Speaker 1: And I brought the bottle. I think it's it's Cal,

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Speaker 1: it's Frank Robinson, It's it's not in this order, but

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Speaker 1: it's Cal, Frank Robinson, Jim Palmer, and Brooks Robinson.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so it's like famous.

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Speaker 1: It's not like zach efln correct, It's it's like all time.

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Speaker 1: It's probably the four best Orioles ever. I mean when

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Speaker 1: you when you think about the oils, like the numbers

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Speaker 1: that are retired to Candy Yards, it's like these guys

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Speaker 1: and Earl Weaver, who's obviously a manager, not a player.

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Speaker 1: So it's like pretty much the four the four Goats.

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Speaker 1: I mean you could, I guess you could make an

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Speaker 1: argument for like Eddie Murray in there and some other players,

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Speaker 1: but yeah, I mean's that's pretty much what it is.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, I brought the bottle so people would not

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Speaker 1: accuse me of like just pouring something that wasn't tequila earlier.

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Speaker 1: This is literally tequila and I'm pouring it on camera.

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Speaker 2: I mean, that could be apple juice in a tequila

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Speaker 2: boba for all we know.

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Speaker 1: It is it is not, And I'm hoping I'm not

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Speaker 1: gonna get in trouble for this because I did message you.

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Speaker 1: I was like, I'm allowed to do this on air, right,

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Speaker 1: and you said I don't see why not?

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Speaker 2: So that and we asked no one else for for permission.

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Speaker 1: Zero follow up. So uh, cheers to a new era

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Speaker 1: for the Orioles.

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Speaker 2: Cheers to you.

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Speaker 1: All right, gonna be a great show.

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Speaker 2: I would I would have done one too, But somehow

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Speaker 2: I feel like showing up to daycare to pick up

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Speaker 2: your kids with tequila on your breath is probably frowned upon.

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Speaker 1: Uh well, I want everybody to notice too that, like

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Speaker 1: you know, I'm this is a real tequila shot. There

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Speaker 1: was no line, there was no you know, chaser here,

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Speaker 1: just straight tequila. That's all you need when you're doing

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Speaker 1: is shop. That's my stance on and do. I always

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Speaker 1: say if I'm a if I'm drinking, if I'm sipping,

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Speaker 1: it's gonna be like scotch or some kind of whiskey.

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Speaker 1: If I'm mixing, it's gonna be wrong. If I'm shooting,

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Speaker 1: it's gonna be tequila. That's that's definitely they go too.

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Speaker 1: That went down really well. Actually, that's pretty I actually

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Speaker 1: did tequila that, Teddy. More often you don't have to

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Speaker 1: go back.

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Speaker 2: And do like a slow mo of you taking in

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Speaker 2: and see like what your your facial reaction.

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Speaker 1: Was, see the reaction. Yeah, Well, anyways, I Brandon Hyde

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Speaker 1: is fired, right, this is this is kind of why

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Speaker 1: we're celebrating. I want to be really clear before we

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Speaker 1: dancing on the grave of somebody who's lost their job

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Speaker 1: like that's I recognize that there is a negative side

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Speaker 1: to somebody getting fired, and we are having fun with it,

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Speaker 1: but I, you know, I recognize that like a man

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Speaker 1: lost his job, and I feel for that. Having said that,

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Speaker 1: Brandon Hyde has more money than everybody in my family

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Speaker 1: combined will make in our entire lifetimes, he will be fine.

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Speaker 1: And the other thing with kind of celebrating and or

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Speaker 1: it's not like he was given like short shrift here.

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Speaker 1: He was given seven seasons as the Orioles manager. I

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Speaker 1: know half of that time, he was dealing with the

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Speaker 1: wear those losses. I have a lot of respect for

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Speaker 1: Brandon Hyde. I thought he was a very, very good

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Speaker 1: thought it was very clear when they got swept by

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Speaker 1: got very I thought it was very clear when he

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Speaker 1: was a serious, big, major series or game, I felt

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Speaker 1: like he was getting out managed. I had a ton

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Speaker 1: of problems, as I mentioned on this show, a lot

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Speaker 1: really not letting any young players get into a rhythm.

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Speaker 1: Bullpen decisions I thought were crazy. A lot of the time.

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Speaker 1: I just thought he was in over his head as

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Speaker 1: the manager of a contending team, but as the manager

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Speaker 1: of a rebuilding team, he was a lot of fun.

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Speaker 1: I wish him definitely the best of luck moving forward.

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Speaker 1: No ill will and even though we're having fun here.

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Speaker 1: Like I said, I I do recognize and have empathy

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Speaker 1: for the fact that he lost his job, But I

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Speaker 1: do think this is a good step for the Orioles.

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Speaker 1: The biggest problem is that it took as long as

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Speaker 1: it did, Like it shouldn't have. We shouldn't have taken

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Speaker 1: until now to replace him. And I'm really curious where

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Speaker 1: they go from here.

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Speaker 2: Well, I think they had to give him some leeway.

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Speaker 2: They were like, look, you would take your lumps for

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Speaker 2: a few years, Let's give you a long leash on

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Speaker 2: the back end of this to see if you can

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Speaker 2: turn this around. I think his biggest mistake was allowing

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Speaker 2: them to build the Great Wall of Baltimore out in

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Speaker 2: left field instead of chaining himself to the fence and

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Speaker 2: forcing them not to move that wall back. Because that

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Speaker 2: ruined Ryan Mountcastle.

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Speaker 1: I was gonna say, you only feel that way because

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Speaker 1: you love Ryan Mountcastle.

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Speaker 2: I mean there were some other people didn't do any

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I recognize too that this year's team is

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Speaker 1: not solely Hide's fault. There have been some injuries, and

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Speaker 1: very importantly, there has been a real lack of pitching

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Speaker 1: lineup isn't good enough. They lost Anthony Santander, who had

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Speaker 1: adlely taking a step back. It seems like there's some

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Speaker 1: of this. Gunner has not been his usual stuff. I

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Speaker 1: like you know, those excuses start to run a little

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Speaker 1: Mullins started off hot and then got cold. You know,

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Speaker 1: Westburg's been hurt, Cowser has been hurt. But this lineup

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Speaker 1: And the rotation was not even the top twenty rotation

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Speaker 1: Eflyn got hurt and before, like you know, knowing that

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Speaker 1: it just simply was not good enough that they lost

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Speaker 1: Corbyn Burns did not replace him, They lost Santainder replaced

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Speaker 1: him with Tyler O'Neill, And I recognize that, so I

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Speaker 1: don't want to hold those issues against Tide. There were

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Speaker 1: other reasons that I felt like Hyde should have should

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Speaker 1: have been let go, But this was not a good

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Speaker 2: No, and that's with getting the best case scenarios so

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Speaker 2: far with Tony Yuki Sigano. Like you, this is the

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Speaker 2: highest range of outcome for him too, So if you

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Speaker 2: weren't getting that, it would be even worse. Do you

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Speaker 2: think from a fantasy perspective, are there any major changes here?

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Speaker 2: Do you think we're going to see like a Kobe

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Speaker 2: do you think it's still going to be status quo

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Speaker 2: for the words.

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Speaker 1: The thing that's hard to answer about that is one

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Speaker 1: of the litany of issues that I have with Brandon

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Speaker 1: Hyde is I felt like he was far too deferential

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Speaker 1: the lineup decisions we're coming from Hyde versus Elias and

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Speaker 1: Sigma Dell saying like, Hey, our computer says X, Y

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Speaker 1: And Tony Manzilino is as an interim guy who's has

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Speaker 1: it's basically admitted publicly that he's kind of run around

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Speaker 1: I mean, he hasn't said that phrase, but it's been

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Speaker 1: kind of implied. I think he said he didn't sleep

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Speaker 1: They lost like four in a row after after the firing.

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Speaker 2: What is that the dead cat bounce? Is that what

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Speaker 2: that's called?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but like the dead cat stay dead in this case,

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Speaker 1: he has made it clear that he is here for

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Speaker 1: the players, like he is not really concerned with anything else,

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Speaker 1: is his his own coaching record, whatever. He is there like,

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Speaker 1: you know, these players have been through a lot, and

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Speaker 1: let's try and get this on track for them and

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Speaker 1: put them in the best possible chance to succeed. Jackson

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Speaker 1: Holliday has been batting lead off a lot since he's

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Speaker 1: taken over. You know I did that some, but you know,

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Speaker 1: I hope to see that continue throughout the rest of

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Speaker 1: to say, like and you Bordomine, have to write off

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Speaker 1: the season, like for the playoffs at this point, they

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Speaker 1: are just so far the whole day of digging them

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Speaker 1: they've dug for themselves is just too too deep. I

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Speaker 1: think that you should be thinking about twenty twenty six

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Speaker 1: and you should be saying, I want to get Hessen,

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Speaker 1: Kirstad and Kobe Mayo and if he gets called up,

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Speaker 1: Samuel Bissio every at bat possible, and I don't care

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Speaker 1: if it's against a lefty orl righty. I don't know

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Speaker 1: if Elias is gonna approach it that way. I mean,

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Speaker 1: ignoring when guys had reverse splits. And I want to

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Speaker 1: see Holiday develop against left handed pitching. I want to

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Speaker 1: see Kirstad do the same thing. I want to see

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Speaker 1: Mayo if he gets called up again, just play every

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Speaker 1: day and getting two We've seen it so often that

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Speaker 1: scorekeeper were to determine what is a hit versus an error,

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Speaker 1: Like why can't we trust these people to say, like

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Speaker 1: very obviously Yamamoto should have gotten the win in that game.

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Speaker 1: It happens all the time. I think we should, uh,

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Speaker 1: we should have that leeway to decide who gets to

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Speaker 1: win there.

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Speaker 2: I'd love to see the stats if we went back

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Speaker 2: in history and like saw who ended up with the

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Speaker 2: most wins overall. We wouldn't have to go back that

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Speaker 2: that far because way back when they didn't even use bullpens.

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Speaker 2: It was just like you went out and this is

444
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Speaker 2: your start, and you just pitched to your armfro off

445
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Speaker 2: and you either got the winner you didn't. That's why

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Speaker 2: stay Young has the most wins and most losses in

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Speaker 2: baseball history. But it would be interesting to kind of

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Speaker 2: go back and see, you know, if we if we

449
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Speaker 2: rewrote the rule, like you know, maybe like this pitchure

450
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Speaker 2: ends up with like eighty more wins than he previously

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Speaker 2: had in the record books.

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Speaker 1: It's it's the same thing with losses too, though, Like

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Speaker 1: if Paul Skiens gives up one run in six and

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Speaker 1: two thirds and the Pirates don't score any but then

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Speaker 1: you know, after he leaves the game, the next reliever

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Speaker 1: gives up five runs and the Pirates score four, and

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Speaker 1: all of a sudden it's a six to four loss.

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Speaker 1: But Schemes will give up one run in seven innings, like,

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Speaker 1: I don't think he should bet the loss in that scenario.

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Speaker 1: So it goes both ways for me, but kind of

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Speaker 1: assigning wins and losses and I think too nine times

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Speaker 1: out of ten, ninety nine times out of one hundred.

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Speaker 1: Maybe you're not gonna there's not gonna be a controversy, right,

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Speaker 1: There's not gonna be like, oh wow, the scorekeeper gave

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Speaker 1: that guy the decision in this GUF.

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Speaker 2: I was gonna say, who's pretty obvious? Who makes the

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Speaker 2: final call? Because we can't let the hometown scorekeepers. It's

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Speaker 2: bad enough we let them do like hits and errors,

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Speaker 2: which are sometimes ridiculous, but we can't have them picking

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Speaker 2: wins and losses.

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Speaker 1: I would be fine with having them picking wins and losses,

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Speaker 1: because they give you obvious more often than not. I

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Speaker 1: get your point about the hometown bias and stuff. Maybe

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Speaker 1: there's like a you know, kind of a representative of

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Speaker 1: Major League Baseball that can oversee it. Again, most of

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Speaker 1: the time, it's not it's gonna be very clear year,

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Speaker 1: I think. But for those situations where the rule really

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Speaker 1: fails our pitchers, I would like to see it changed.

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Speaker 1: All right, who what are their rules you want to

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Speaker 1: see changed?

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Speaker 2: So I threw a few out there because I don't

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Speaker 2: think we have to spend too much time on them.

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Speaker 2: And a couple of them, or at least one of

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Speaker 2: my band I banned. I mentioned last year I wrote

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Speaker 2: ban the Shift ban. I hate that we banned the shift.

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Speaker 2: I want to bring the shift back. I think you

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Speaker 2: should line up wherever you want. If you want to

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Speaker 2: put eight guys in right field, I think you should

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Speaker 2: be able to. I do agree that baseball got a

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Speaker 2: little ridiculous with the you know, second basement like in

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Speaker 2: the extra right fielder, but that was more because hitters

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Speaker 2: didn't adjust. They were just like the Joey Gallo approach,

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Speaker 2: like I'm just going to try it at home run

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Speaker 2: anyway and hit into the shift every time, whereas if

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Speaker 2: they just went the other way, they'd be a three

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Speaker 2: hundred hitter or you know, they'd have to adjust the shift,

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Speaker 2: but I just always thought the shift was fun. It

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Speaker 2: resulted in like some wacky double plays and guys getting

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Speaker 2: thrown out at first basement right field. I enjoyed the

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Speaker 2: shift and think you should be able to do whatever

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Speaker 2: you want, just kind of like what you can do

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Speaker 2: on defense for the most part in football.

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Speaker 1: I don't want to go too long on this, but

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Speaker 1: I actually really disagree on this.

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Speaker 2: I I.

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Speaker 1: Can't stand watching like the cleanest line drive single that

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Speaker 1: has been a clean line drive single for one hundred

508
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Speaker 1: years of baseball and it gets caught, and that that's

509
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Speaker 1: not just like when you were seeing that kind of

510
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Speaker 1: full Ted Williams shift with three players to the side

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Speaker 1: of a bag, but up the middle. I can't tell

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Speaker 1: you how frustrating it is to see a player rip

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Speaker 1: a line drive over the pitcher's head. It is literally

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Speaker 1: a perfect piece of hitting when I was.

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Speaker 2: In a happen though even with the current role, that

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Speaker 2: still happens.

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Speaker 1: I know, and it's frustrating. I don't like that either.

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Speaker 1: I just hate what should be that there's a very

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Speaker 1: obvious straight for a clean single and it's just an

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Speaker 1: easy out. I really don't like that. And I said

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Speaker 1: from the beginning with the shift that I was comfortable with,

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Speaker 1: you know, fielders being wherever they want it to be

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Speaker 1: as long as there were two infielders on either side

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Speaker 1: of second house. That's just all I'm asking is that

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Speaker 1: we don't have three on one side, and beyond that,

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Speaker 1: you can do whatever you want. I'm not saying they

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Speaker 1: should change it from that, but I am getting more

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Speaker 1: and more frustrated with You're like you said, it's still

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Speaker 1: happening when it goes up the middle now and guys

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Speaker 1: are just standing right there. I don't think it really

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Speaker 1: works to put like a zone that you're not allowed

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Speaker 1: to start in up there. But I get frustrated and

533
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Speaker 1: it feels like it's not baseball. I'm like again, like

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Speaker 1: you use the other thing too, mayor is it is

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Speaker 1: so hard to hit now with the velocity you face

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Speaker 1: on every pitch, with the movement that these pictures are

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Speaker 1: capable of doing. Pictures are so good that I really

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Speaker 1: push back against the argument of hitters didn't adjust properly.

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Speaker 1: It's hard enough to hit against modern pitching. To then

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Speaker 1: also say like, by the way, this like you know,

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Speaker 1: clean single that you hit that has been a clean

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Speaker 1: single forever is now also an out. Like that's just

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Speaker 1: so frustrating, and I get why batters are then just

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Speaker 1: say listen, I'm just swinging for the fences or taking

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Speaker 1: the strikeout. When that keeps happening, I just think pictures

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Speaker 1: are too good and it doesn't feel like baseball to me.

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Speaker 2: I'm fine with that. I know I'm in the minority there.

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Speaker 2: You want you only to hit my next three rapid

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Speaker 2: fires so we don't go too long. Okay, So the

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Speaker 2: other one I wrote is banned the check swing nonsense,

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Speaker 2: and I have a very simple take on this. I

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Speaker 2: think the check swing is one of the most subjective

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Speaker 2: things in sports. And like you said, if we're if

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Speaker 2: we're letting people pick wins and losses, you have like

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Speaker 2: a ninety nine percent accuracy. I think we're around fifty

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Speaker 2: to sixty percent accuracy and check swings because no one

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Speaker 2: knows what the actual rule is. It's absurd and they're

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Speaker 2: just like you point down to first base. I have

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Speaker 2: no idea what that. I'm just going to say because

560
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Speaker 2: they're just making it up. And so I think we

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Speaker 2: need to figure out what an actual check swing is

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Speaker 2: define it and then do away with whatever we're doing

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Speaker 2: right now because it's not working. And I feel like

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Speaker 2: I'm the only one who gets annoyed by that. I

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Speaker 2: also want to ban umpire immunity. I hate that these

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Speaker 2: atrocious umpires can just work in baseball forever and like

567
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Speaker 2: not get fined, not get punished, not get suspended. There

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Speaker 2: was an umpire in the Red Sox game the other day.

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Speaker 2: He there was a player I don't know if he

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Speaker 2: saw the Walker Buehler play, but he threw a picture

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Speaker 2: ye right down the middle, and the catcher jumped up

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Speaker 2: to throw out a runner who was stealing second. The

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Speaker 2: ump missed the call because the catcher stood up to

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Speaker 2: throw out the runner. But this picture was right down

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Speaker 2: the middle. And then Buehler said, like, that was right

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Speaker 2: down the middle. And then the umpire like came out

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Speaker 2: and confronted Walker Bueller, and Walker Bueller like walked to him,

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Speaker 2: and then he threw Bueller out of the game for

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Speaker 2: coming off the mound. But it was like, you went

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Speaker 2: after the pitcher first, and so I hate that aspect

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Speaker 2: that umpire's going to do whatever they want. And then

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Speaker 2: the last one I wrote is band Yankee Stadium, and

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Speaker 2: I don't I wrote that as a joke. I don't

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Speaker 2: really mean band Yankee Stadium. But one thing I love

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Speaker 2: about baseball is how every ballpark is unique and has

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Speaker 2: all these fun dimensions. I think rightfield Yankee Stadium is

587
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Speaker 2: just a joke, and I know that the pushback for me,

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Speaker 2: as Red Sox fan, is a Fenway Park is crazy.

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Speaker 2: My comeback to that is always that they just built

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Speaker 2: Fenway Park out of necessity because of the space they had.

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Speaker 2: That's why they built the wall. They just had no

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Speaker 2: more room. Nankee Stadium brand new, and they rebuilt the

593
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Speaker 2: same thing again as a joke. So I do think

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Speaker 2: there should be like some minimums and maximums for these fences,

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Speaker 2: and within those you know, dimensions, you can do whatever

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Speaker 2: you want. But like the fact that you can hit

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Speaker 2: a foul pop up to right field in the Yek

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Speaker 2: Stadium and get forty home runs is absurd to me.

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Speaker 1: I want to quickly respond to these the check swing.

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Speaker 1: I think that you should be able to check your

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Speaker 1: swing even if your back goes past the front of

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Speaker 1: the plate. Like I think we should just say, like

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Speaker 1: that's it's not a full swing unless it's a full swing. Like,

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Speaker 1: I think the line of this is too far for

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Speaker 1: a check sing should be a few inches in front

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Speaker 1: of the plate. I think a lot of people might

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Speaker 1: disagree with that, but I, like, I just don't. I

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Speaker 1: don't think like that extra two inches like constitutes a

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Speaker 1: full swing, Like it just needs to be.

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Speaker 2: That's what I want, Like whatever it is, make it

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Speaker 2: like like what you said would be more obvious than like, oh,

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Speaker 2: I think he went strike, Like at least what you're saying,

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Speaker 2: like it would be clear you went too far.

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Speaker 1: And then the umpire immunity stuff like yes, half the times,

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Speaker 1: the problem with the umpires is that they go after

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Speaker 1: the players, and the players get in trouble free retaliating.

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Speaker 1: I saw somebody say during the Walker Bueller stuff, I said,

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Speaker 1: I thought it was a great point on Twitter. If

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Speaker 1: if a player gets ejected for arguing a call, not

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Speaker 1: for like being disrespectful or whatever arguing the call then and

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Speaker 1: the end they get ejected, then there should be an

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Speaker 1: immediate review of the call and if the player was right,

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Speaker 1: they are not ejected, like and the umpire I don't know,

624
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Speaker 1: has to pay a fine or something.

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Speaker 2: I thought that is that the umpire gets ejected.

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Speaker 1: But well, I was going to say that, but then

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Speaker 1: I don't think that's actually should be the case, because

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Speaker 1: you can't have like a bunch of umpires like at

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Speaker 1: the ready to come in or.

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Speaker 2: Whatever but play a man down but figure it out.

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Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, but yeah, these are good ones. All right,

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Speaker 1: let's go through our news and notes. We're running a

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Speaker 1: little long here, so we'll go really quickly on these.

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Speaker 1: You had, you had the first few of these, so

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Speaker 1: go ahead through that.

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Speaker 2: So I have Spencer Strider returns and it wasn't great,

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Speaker 2: So that there was newsworthy in a good way that

638
00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:51,080
Speaker 2: he's back on the mound, but it didn't didn't look great.

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00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:54,800
Speaker 2: His velocity was down. I've seen some people making a

640
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Speaker 2: much bigger deal about the velocity, Like he's still touched

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Speaker 2: ninety seven a couple of times. So I still think

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Speaker 2: this is just him working back, and you know, like

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Speaker 2: even if he's around like ninety five ninety six, I

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Speaker 2: think he'll be fine. But it was concerning that, you know,

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Speaker 2: he came back and it didn't look great. And then

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Speaker 2: a good Ronald mccuna development is that it sounds like

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Speaker 2: he could be back as early as this weekend. I

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Speaker 2: know we've been talking recently recently on the show that

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Speaker 2: I was a little frustrated that he hadn't really started

650
00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:24,399
Speaker 2: a rehab assignment, you know, by mid May, and I

651
00:28:24,440 --> 00:28:26,280
Speaker 2: was like, you know, he hasn't had a spring training.

652
00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:28,240
Speaker 2: Who knows how long this rehabit signment's going to be.

653
00:28:28,280 --> 00:28:30,320
Speaker 2: But it sounds like then he started the rehab assignment,

654
00:28:30,359 --> 00:28:32,879
Speaker 2: he was already playing full games, playing the outfield. And

655
00:28:32,920 --> 00:28:34,880
Speaker 2: it sounds like, according to some of the reports I read,

656
00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:36,920
Speaker 2: that he was already kind of doing his own mini

657
00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:39,480
Speaker 2: spring training, like you know, playing like sim games and

658
00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:41,720
Speaker 2: playing the field and so like, it wasn't like he

659
00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:43,920
Speaker 2: was going out to these this rehab assignment cold. He

660
00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:46,280
Speaker 2: had already really been kind of playing in games. And

661
00:28:46,320 --> 00:28:48,080
Speaker 2: so he's a lot closer to returning than we thought.

662
00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:49,560
Speaker 2: So it sounds like he could be back a SORTI

663
00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:51,080
Speaker 2: this weekend. By the time you're listening to.

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Speaker 1: This, George Kirby is returning. I believe he's pitching today

665
00:28:56,520 --> 00:28:58,960
Speaker 1: the day we're recording this. He's gonna be pitching every

666
00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:02,680
Speaker 1: six days for now. It sounds like before the others,

667
00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:03,960
Speaker 1: I think he's kind of the biggest name that I

668
00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:05,400
Speaker 1: did when I at least ask a follow up on

669
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Speaker 1: where are you ranking Kirby rest of the season now

670
00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:08,200
Speaker 1: that he's back.

671
00:29:08,520 --> 00:29:11,000
Speaker 2: That's a good question because my starting pitching rankings have

672
00:29:11,120 --> 00:29:13,160
Speaker 2: been all over the place recently. I've been moving people

673
00:29:13,240 --> 00:29:16,520
Speaker 2: up and down, and there's like bigger names I've been

674
00:29:16,520 --> 00:29:17,920
Speaker 2: holding on to and just kind of like, I guess

675
00:29:17,920 --> 00:29:19,960
Speaker 2: I kind of have to drop this guy. I haven't

676
00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:21,600
Speaker 2: moved him yet because I kind of had him buried

677
00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:24,280
Speaker 2: because we didn't know where he was gonna gonna be.

678
00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:27,800
Speaker 2: I have him in like the mid thirties right now,

679
00:29:29,080 --> 00:29:31,480
Speaker 2: but I don't know how far I'm going to move

680
00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:33,040
Speaker 2: him up. Like there was a bunch of pictures above

681
00:29:33,080 --> 00:29:39,040
Speaker 2: him that I'm completely fine moving him above Gosman, Snell, Aaronola.

682
00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:41,880
Speaker 2: I can move him above Aaronola, Clay Holmes, Bryce Miller

683
00:29:41,880 --> 00:29:46,560
Speaker 2: for sure. I feel like I'll like high twenties probably

684
00:29:47,120 --> 00:29:49,360
Speaker 2: to start and to see how you look.

685
00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:51,720
Speaker 1: I think that the only pitching every six days is

686
00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:54,880
Speaker 1: a little you know, not frustrating, I get it, but

687
00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:56,760
Speaker 1: like you know, makes it a little harder for fantasy managers.

688
00:29:56,800 --> 00:30:00,560
Speaker 1: We'll see along that last Robert Hassel the third is

689
00:30:00,600 --> 00:30:02,160
Speaker 1: making his debut, or he might have already done it

690
00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:05,280
Speaker 1: actually till and Cruz goes to the IL, so he

691
00:30:05,320 --> 00:30:07,000
Speaker 1: gets caught up from the Nationals. Another one of these,

692
00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:10,120
Speaker 1: you know, high pedigree prospects, so we'll see how he does.

693
00:30:10,120 --> 00:30:12,280
Speaker 1: Somebody to keep an eye on. Jared Jones officially gets

694
00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:14,840
Speaker 1: elbow surgery out ten to twelve months. We kind of

695
00:30:14,840 --> 00:30:18,240
Speaker 1: anticipated that coming, but you know, this is obviously Donnington

696
00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:21,440
Speaker 1: now impacts twenty twenty six as well. And then the

697
00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:22,800
Speaker 1: last thing that I do want to get your follow

698
00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:24,760
Speaker 1: up on is we kind of have some new statcast

699
00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:27,640
Speaker 1: metrics with this, like a swing, you know, bat tracking stuff.

700
00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:29,640
Speaker 1: Do you have any thoughts on that, any kind of

701
00:30:29,720 --> 00:30:32,080
Speaker 1: fantasy relevance to these metrics for you or.

702
00:30:32,520 --> 00:30:35,120
Speaker 2: I do and I don't. We talked about it briefly

703
00:30:35,160 --> 00:30:36,960
Speaker 2: the other day when it was kind of first announced.

704
00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:42,360
Speaker 2: I love the the access to all this information. I

705
00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:45,760
Speaker 2: saw something on Twitter this morning with a really cool

706
00:30:46,480 --> 00:30:48,840
Speaker 2: write up about like Corbyn Carroll and how we fixed

707
00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:50,560
Speaker 2: his swing and how it was too flat. Like that

708
00:30:50,560 --> 00:30:52,800
Speaker 2: stuff's all really cool because you can kind of see

709
00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:56,120
Speaker 2: what went wrong. And not only hear Corbyn Carroll talk

710
00:30:56,160 --> 00:30:59,040
Speaker 2: about the fix, but then I actually see in the

711
00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:03,680
Speaker 2: act data the fixed happening in real time. I do

712
00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:06,920
Speaker 2: think we're getting like so much information now that it's

713
00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:09,040
Speaker 2: almost like overload, and I think we're gonna overanalyze some

714
00:31:09,080 --> 00:31:11,680
Speaker 2: of these players, and we already see like some players

715
00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:14,280
Speaker 2: who just kind of like consistently outperform their metrics. I

716
00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:17,240
Speaker 2: do think it's gonna be really valuable for like something

717
00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:19,480
Speaker 2: like that, like is this player slumping, Like what is

718
00:31:19,560 --> 00:31:22,200
Speaker 2: drastically different? Like is he hot? What is drastically different

719
00:31:22,280 --> 00:31:24,520
Speaker 2: versus in the off season. I think we're gonna go

720
00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:28,000
Speaker 2: like head over heels into all this stuff and project

721
00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:32,640
Speaker 2: sleepers and busts based on, you know, overvaluing some of

722
00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:34,840
Speaker 2: this stuff. So I think it's really cool. The more

723
00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:37,200
Speaker 2: data the better. It is a little overwhelming that there

724
00:31:37,280 --> 00:31:40,360
Speaker 2: might be like too much to evaluate now, so I

725
00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:41,520
Speaker 2: have like mixed feelings about it.

726
00:31:42,800 --> 00:31:45,720
Speaker 1: Let's shove into our last segment here, grade the Trade.

727
00:31:47,240 --> 00:31:49,280
Speaker 1: We throughout some real trades that have happened in some

728
00:31:49,280 --> 00:31:51,640
Speaker 1: of the leagues that you and I play in, and

729
00:31:52,480 --> 00:31:55,480
Speaker 1: are going to kind of discuss what we think of them.

730
00:31:55,560 --> 00:31:57,920
Speaker 1: Like I said, these are actual trades that have happened

731
00:31:58,720 --> 00:32:00,320
Speaker 1: in our leagues. Some of the ones that I put

732
00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:03,240
Speaker 1: in here are like a couple of weeks old. I

733
00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:05,040
Speaker 1: wanted to throw out it's not like these are all

734
00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:07,320
Speaker 1: in the last week or anything, but these are just

735
00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:09,000
Speaker 1: kind of any of the trades that have happened this year.

736
00:32:09,040 --> 00:32:10,600
Speaker 1: So I just wanted to kind of give that context.

737
00:32:11,080 --> 00:32:13,880
Speaker 1: I also have a trade from a listener who has

738
00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:17,760
Speaker 1: DMed me a bunch, Andrew, who's a great supporter of

739
00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:21,640
Speaker 1: the show, and he actually just this morning messaged me

740
00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:23,760
Speaker 1: a trade that he did, and so I figured I

741
00:32:23,800 --> 00:32:25,520
Speaker 1: would include that one as well. But some of the

742
00:32:25,560 --> 00:32:28,479
Speaker 1: trades from the leagues that we're in, Reese Olsen traded

743
00:32:28,520 --> 00:32:30,720
Speaker 1: for Devin Williams. What would you grade this one?

744
00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:33,280
Speaker 2: So I wanted to ask how he wanted to grade this.

745
00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:36,120
Speaker 2: I was thinking more of grading it on the scale

746
00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:39,280
Speaker 2: of you know those like surveys where it's like neutral, agree,

747
00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:43,120
Speaker 2: strongly agree, strongly disagree. I was gonna, I feel like

748
00:32:43,480 --> 00:32:47,120
Speaker 2: on this one, I agree with the Devin Williams side.

749
00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:49,640
Speaker 2: I'm like agree close to strongly geer with the Devin

750
00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:53,280
Speaker 2: Williams side, just because I think it's your your banking.

751
00:32:53,520 --> 00:32:55,720
Speaker 1: Do you think he gets back to the closer role, That's.

752
00:32:55,680 --> 00:32:57,360
Speaker 2: That's what you're banking on. But I also think if

753
00:32:57,520 --> 00:32:59,640
Speaker 2: if the price to find out is Reese Olsen, like no,

754
00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:00,760
Speaker 2: no problem.

755
00:33:01,560 --> 00:33:04,640
Speaker 1: I actually almost put him Devin Williams as my cell

756
00:33:04,800 --> 00:33:07,800
Speaker 1: high in our part two of this week's show. I

757
00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:10,600
Speaker 1: ended up changing that, but I considered Williams because he's

758
00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:13,120
Speaker 1: pitched really well lately. But it doesn't seem like they're

759
00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:15,920
Speaker 1: that inclined to put him back into the closer role.

760
00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:17,520
Speaker 1: And there's only so much value you can give you

761
00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:19,960
Speaker 1: if he's not getting you saves, and plus who knows

762
00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:21,440
Speaker 1: that this is just maybe a hot streak like or

763
00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:25,320
Speaker 1: if he's actually turned the corner. But I agree with

764
00:33:25,320 --> 00:33:28,800
Speaker 1: you ultimately that Olsen is a fair you know, I'm

765
00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:31,680
Speaker 1: willing to spend him to maybe take the chance on

766
00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:33,800
Speaker 1: getting an elite closer if it works out that way.

767
00:33:35,560 --> 00:33:37,480
Speaker 1: So I would agree with you on that one. Royce

768
00:33:37,560 --> 00:33:40,000
Speaker 1: Lewis traded for Francisco Alvarez, and I wanted to point

769
00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:41,479
Speaker 1: out this is a two catcher league.

770
00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:45,440
Speaker 2: This was an interesting one. Obviously, two catcher league is

771
00:33:45,480 --> 00:33:48,280
Speaker 2: important to one cutcher league. To no brainer Royce Lewis,

772
00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:51,080
Speaker 2: I am lower than contensus on both of these players,

773
00:33:51,840 --> 00:33:54,440
Speaker 2: but the Royce Lewis one is most mostly injury related.

774
00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:56,560
Speaker 2: He just can't stay healthy. But when he is on

775
00:33:56,600 --> 00:34:01,520
Speaker 2: the field, he looks really, really good. So I think

776
00:34:01,520 --> 00:34:05,280
Speaker 2: the upside is more on the Royce Lewis side. Even

777
00:34:05,320 --> 00:34:07,800
Speaker 2: though it's the two catcher league. I have my doubts

778
00:34:07,800 --> 00:34:12,719
Speaker 2: about Francisco Alvarez and his profile, so I lean royce

779
00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:16,120
Speaker 2: Lewis especially. Obviously two catcher leagues and catchers is gonna

780
00:34:16,120 --> 00:34:17,799
Speaker 2: be very shallow. But like the fact that you can

781
00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:21,200
Speaker 2: get a living, breathing third basement in Royce Lewis in

782
00:34:21,239 --> 00:34:23,160
Speaker 2: twenty twenty five, I think it's worth it. So why

783
00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:26,560
Speaker 2: I would put agree with the royce Lewis side.

784
00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:29,160
Speaker 1: I would agree with you on that one as well.

785
00:34:29,600 --> 00:34:31,239
Speaker 1: This was a really fun one. This one is from

786
00:34:31,320 --> 00:34:33,799
Speaker 1: late April, so it's not it's you know, a little

787
00:34:33,840 --> 00:34:36,720
Speaker 1: over three weeks old. But because of the names included

788
00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:39,040
Speaker 1: I wanted to included. And again two catcher league, it's

789
00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:42,239
Speaker 1: the same league. Pete crow Armstrong for cal Raley, what

790
00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:43,400
Speaker 1: do you think about that one?

791
00:34:43,680 --> 00:34:46,640
Speaker 2: That's a really fascinating one. Cal Raley.

792
00:34:46,680 --> 00:34:50,120
Speaker 1: Obviously that one got some some veto votes in our league.

793
00:34:50,160 --> 00:34:53,120
Speaker 1: We have a veto rule in that league, and it passed,

794
00:34:53,120 --> 00:34:55,840
Speaker 1: but it got some some pushback from some folks.

795
00:34:56,200 --> 00:34:58,879
Speaker 2: So I'm guessing because it's a couple of weeks old,

796
00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:02,920
Speaker 2: they didn't leave in the Peaker Armstrong side, and they thought, yes, okay,

797
00:35:04,360 --> 00:35:07,080
Speaker 2: I mean you're wrong. Now, I know.

798
00:35:07,040 --> 00:35:08,840
Speaker 1: It's I was gonna say, it looks it looks like

799
00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:10,520
Speaker 1: almost a Vito in the other way. I mean, I

800
00:35:10,520 --> 00:35:12,520
Speaker 1: think ultimately, given that it's a two catcher league, it

801
00:35:12,600 --> 00:35:15,799
Speaker 1: probably is fair. I think it's a fair I would

802
00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:17,719
Speaker 1: call this very fair now. But in a moment, a

803
00:35:17,719 --> 00:35:19,600
Speaker 1: lot of people were like, why would you give up

804
00:35:19,640 --> 00:35:21,440
Speaker 1: cal Raley for peek Crow Armstrong.

805
00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:23,799
Speaker 2: Now, I was just sorry. I didn't mean to rep

806
00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:27,200
Speaker 2: to you. I was just looking at for some for

807
00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:30,440
Speaker 2: prepping for other parts of the show. I was actually

808
00:35:30,520 --> 00:35:34,080
Speaker 2: looking at our Fantasy pros VBR of like stats for

809
00:35:34,120 --> 00:35:37,600
Speaker 2: the year peak Armstrong is third. He's the third most

810
00:35:37,680 --> 00:35:42,600
Speaker 2: valuable fantasy player right now through May twenty second, and yeah,

811
00:35:42,640 --> 00:35:44,880
Speaker 2: like I have him as a cell high. I have

812
00:35:45,040 --> 00:35:46,520
Speaker 2: had him as a cell high. I still think he

813
00:35:46,560 --> 00:35:49,200
Speaker 2: probably is, but it's also kind of hard to argue

814
00:35:49,200 --> 00:35:50,960
Speaker 2: with the counting stats right now with twelve our months

815
00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:51,960
Speaker 2: and fourteen still vases.

816
00:35:52,200 --> 00:35:55,640
Speaker 1: Probably the most fun story in baseball earlier part of

817
00:35:55,680 --> 00:35:58,280
Speaker 1: the season. Am I forgetting somebody? I think his emergence

818
00:35:58,280 --> 00:35:59,920
Speaker 1: has been kind of the most fun thing to track.

819
00:36:00,680 --> 00:36:02,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would say so, I've already seen other I

820
00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:05,600
Speaker 2: think I forget who was one of the baseball analysts

821
00:36:07,160 --> 00:36:09,080
Speaker 2: the other day said he might be already one of

822
00:36:09,120 --> 00:36:11,800
Speaker 2: the best position players in baseball, or you know, I

823
00:36:11,840 --> 00:36:12,879
Speaker 2: don't know if he was kind ofab well.

824
00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:14,959
Speaker 1: He definitely has been this season. I mean, who knows

825
00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:17,800
Speaker 1: about if it will last, and it comes down of it,

826
00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:20,399
Speaker 1: but if you're just looking at what's happened in twenty

827
00:36:20,440 --> 00:36:25,800
Speaker 1: twenty five, he's unquestionably Yeah, when you consider the defense

828
00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:27,760
Speaker 1: as well. And the last one from one of my leagues,

829
00:36:27,840 --> 00:36:30,719
Speaker 1: Ryan Helsley, traded for Kittel Marte. This is a trade

830
00:36:30,760 --> 00:36:34,439
Speaker 1: that got accepted but then vetoed in the league, and

831
00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:39,080
Speaker 1: there are some keeper elements. Both guys are pretty good values.

832
00:36:39,320 --> 00:36:42,560
Speaker 1: None of them is like an insane elite keeper value.

833
00:36:42,600 --> 00:36:45,920
Speaker 1: But they're both good values keepers like relative to where

834
00:36:45,960 --> 00:36:48,480
Speaker 1: they are. But Ryan Helsley and the guy has no

835
00:36:48,840 --> 00:36:51,680
Speaker 1: the guy who was trading away kittel Marte had zero closers.

836
00:36:53,320 --> 00:36:56,399
Speaker 1: Helsey for Kittel Marte. It did give Vito so right.

837
00:36:56,320 --> 00:36:59,280
Speaker 2: At the mat, I would say strongly disagree with vetoing

838
00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:02,480
Speaker 2: something that like unless it's like really really absurd, I'm

839
00:37:02,520 --> 00:37:06,920
Speaker 2: pretty anti Veta veto. So like, if two adult competent

840
00:37:06,960 --> 00:37:08,920
Speaker 2: managers want to make a trade, like let him as

841
00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:10,520
Speaker 2: long as it's not like something that's really going to

842
00:37:10,600 --> 00:37:14,080
Speaker 2: upend the league and piss people off. But I feel

843
00:37:14,080 --> 00:37:16,319
Speaker 2: like this is fair enough that I don't see why

844
00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:17,560
Speaker 2: it would need to be vetoed.

845
00:37:18,760 --> 00:37:21,640
Speaker 1: So so one thing I will say, the guy who

846
00:37:21,680 --> 00:37:24,800
Speaker 1: was trying to trade away Marte, I don't and I

847
00:37:24,840 --> 00:37:27,439
Speaker 1: don't think he listens to the show. I don't think

848
00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:30,799
Speaker 1: he is a competent manager. It's his first year and

849
00:37:30,920 --> 00:37:34,040
Speaker 1: it's it's kind of a long running league. But some

850
00:37:34,160 --> 00:37:36,160
Speaker 1: of the people in the fringe end are just kind

851
00:37:36,160 --> 00:37:38,400
Speaker 1: of random people that have been picked up, like you know,

852
00:37:38,520 --> 00:37:41,600
Speaker 1: random users on CBS, like, hey, we're looking for a

853
00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:43,920
Speaker 1: person to just fill the last spot in this league.

854
00:37:44,440 --> 00:37:49,880
Speaker 1: And like his draft this season was jaw droppingly bad,

855
00:37:51,239 --> 00:37:53,400
Speaker 1: like like to the point where it's confusing, Like it

856
00:37:53,760 --> 00:37:56,480
Speaker 1: did he make a mistake like almost with every pick?

857
00:37:58,040 --> 00:38:02,839
Speaker 1: So I do like you say it as long as

858
00:38:02,840 --> 00:38:05,000
Speaker 1: he's two adult competent, Like I don't know that he

859
00:38:05,040 --> 00:38:07,560
Speaker 1: is a competent manager for whatever that that matters.

860
00:38:07,680 --> 00:38:09,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean you would have to agree with the

861
00:38:09,760 --> 00:38:12,440
Speaker 2: Catel Marte side of it just because of the upside there.

862
00:38:12,440 --> 00:38:15,560
Speaker 2: I mean, like I am not the biggest believer in

863
00:38:15,600 --> 00:38:17,800
Speaker 2: his in his profile, but also like the guy batted

864
00:38:17,880 --> 00:38:19,680
Speaker 2: like two ninety something with thirty five from he.

865
00:38:19,840 --> 00:38:22,319
Speaker 1: Was like the consensus two b one coming into the

866
00:38:22,360 --> 00:38:27,000
Speaker 1: season for like a good not elite closer. So yeah,

867
00:38:27,120 --> 00:38:31,520
Speaker 1: I understand the side of you know, obviously strongly preferring Marte,

868
00:38:31,520 --> 00:38:33,360
Speaker 1: and then I'll read the one from Andrew our listener,

869
00:38:33,360 --> 00:38:34,880
Speaker 1: and then we'll get into the ones from your leagues.

870
00:38:36,160 --> 00:38:41,480
Speaker 1: So he was expecting to get Jesus Lozardo for Luis Robert,

871
00:38:41,560 --> 00:38:45,240
Speaker 1: so in anticipation of that, he traded Clay Holmes for Rooker,

872
00:38:45,280 --> 00:38:47,560
Speaker 1: trying to get an outfielder back, figuring he was kind

873
00:38:47,560 --> 00:38:50,440
Speaker 1: of upgrading a picture from Holmes to Lozardo, so he

874
00:38:50,520 --> 00:38:54,359
Speaker 1: traded Holmes for Rooker. Then the guy backed out on

875
00:38:54,400 --> 00:38:57,320
Speaker 1: the Robert for Lozardo deal, so he felt like, Okay,

876
00:38:57,360 --> 00:39:00,440
Speaker 1: well now I need to get a picture because I

877
00:39:00,480 --> 00:39:05,000
Speaker 1: just traded away Holmes, so he traded away He also

878
00:39:05,080 --> 00:39:08,799
Speaker 1: he picked up Nick Kurtz on Waivers this morning because

879
00:39:08,840 --> 00:39:11,240
Speaker 1: he had had him and then dropped him out of frustration.

880
00:39:11,320 --> 00:39:13,279
Speaker 1: Then he had this three home runs to two nights,

881
00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:16,640
Speaker 1: so he picked him back up this morning. And so

882
00:39:16,760 --> 00:39:20,000
Speaker 1: but I know he was messaging me last night and

883
00:39:20,040 --> 00:39:21,520
Speaker 1: he was like, I had to take one for the

884
00:39:21,880 --> 00:39:24,640
Speaker 1: community with his bad luck to get him to get

885
00:39:24,719 --> 00:39:30,000
Speaker 1: Kurtz going. So then he traded away Jacob Wilson for Sandy.

886
00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:33,080
Speaker 1: So ultimately I know that was a lot of names.

887
00:39:33,160 --> 00:39:35,279
Speaker 1: Ultimately what ended up happening. He thought he had some

888
00:39:35,320 --> 00:39:37,719
Speaker 1: other stuff happening, It didn't happen. Ultimately we ended up

889
00:39:37,719 --> 00:39:41,680
Speaker 1: doing was trading away Jacob Wilson and Clay Holmes. And

890
00:39:41,680 --> 00:39:43,239
Speaker 1: this is over the course of two different deals, but

891
00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:46,680
Speaker 1: trading away Wilson and Holmes and getting Brent Rooker and

892
00:39:46,719 --> 00:39:49,640
Speaker 1: Sandy al Kintar. So what do you think about that one?

893
00:39:50,960 --> 00:39:52,360
Speaker 2: I think the first thing you need to do is

894
00:39:52,400 --> 00:39:56,080
Speaker 2: not make contingent trades without them both sides locked in.

895
00:39:56,160 --> 00:39:58,440
Speaker 2: You need to have both sides agreed and then like

896
00:39:58,960 --> 00:40:01,640
Speaker 2: hit Sam and on both of them at the same time,

897
00:40:01,719 --> 00:40:05,600
Speaker 2: like because like What happens is you agree to one

898
00:40:05,760 --> 00:40:07,239
Speaker 2: and then the other person's like, well, I don't I

899
00:40:07,239 --> 00:40:08,600
Speaker 2: feel like if that player went for that, I can

900
00:40:08,640 --> 00:40:10,120
Speaker 2: probably get more from my player, and then they back

901
00:40:10,120 --> 00:40:11,200
Speaker 2: out of your deal, so you need to do them

902
00:40:11,239 --> 00:40:12,280
Speaker 2: both simultaneously.

903
00:40:13,160 --> 00:40:15,719
Speaker 1: What I would say in his defense, though, is I

904
00:40:15,719 --> 00:40:19,720
Speaker 1: don't think you needed to get the Lozardo deal done

905
00:40:20,440 --> 00:40:22,560
Speaker 1: for Holmes for Rooker to be a good move, Like

906
00:40:22,600 --> 00:40:24,840
Speaker 1: I like that move just in a vacuum.

907
00:40:25,080 --> 00:40:27,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, as long as it doesn't like upend your

908
00:40:27,160 --> 00:40:31,319
Speaker 2: roster bounce. What was the I'm sorry, what was the

909
00:40:31,320 --> 00:40:33,680
Speaker 2: actual trade again? When the dust.

910
00:40:33,520 --> 00:40:38,759
Speaker 1: Settled, Clay Holmes for Rooker, okay, and Jacob Wilson for

911
00:40:38,880 --> 00:40:40,040
Speaker 1: Sandy al Contra.

912
00:40:41,160 --> 00:40:44,319
Speaker 2: I feel like, with how good Jacob Wilson, I mean

913
00:40:44,440 --> 00:40:47,200
Speaker 2: like I am buying well on Sandy, so I get it.

914
00:40:47,280 --> 00:40:49,080
Speaker 2: I feel like Jacob Wilson has been so good that

915
00:40:49,120 --> 00:40:50,360
Speaker 2: you're kind of overpaying for Sandy.

916
00:40:50,360 --> 00:40:52,560
Speaker 1: He also picked up kurtz off Waivers, and he said

917
00:40:52,600 --> 00:40:54,800
Speaker 1: he had four a's now because he traded for Rooker,

918
00:40:55,160 --> 00:40:57,160
Speaker 1: so he was like kind of willing to get rid

919
00:40:57,200 --> 00:40:57,799
Speaker 1: of one of them.

920
00:40:58,080 --> 00:41:01,880
Speaker 2: That's fair, Wilson, I mean, that's there I think ultimately

921
00:41:01,920 --> 00:41:03,680
Speaker 2: those are all fine deals. I think you overpaid for

922
00:41:03,680 --> 00:41:07,080
Speaker 2: Sandy a little bit based on where we are, but but.

923
00:41:07,040 --> 00:41:08,640
Speaker 1: I also you got a value on Rooker. I really

924
00:41:08,640 --> 00:41:09,600
Speaker 1: like buying low on Rooker.

925
00:41:10,120 --> 00:41:13,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, especially in that ballpark. Is you know, assuming he

926
00:41:13,640 --> 00:41:14,879
Speaker 2: gets better, which I think you will.

927
00:41:15,920 --> 00:41:17,440
Speaker 1: All right, give me your two trades, then we'll get

928
00:41:17,440 --> 00:41:17,680
Speaker 1: out of.

929
00:41:17,640 --> 00:41:20,879
Speaker 2: Here, all right. I think I think I actually made

930
00:41:20,880 --> 00:41:23,000
Speaker 2: both these trades. I'm in the really fun league. It's

931
00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:25,439
Speaker 2: my first year in this league, and I've never seen

932
00:41:25,440 --> 00:41:27,640
Speaker 2: a league trade like this before. It's a big money league.

933
00:41:27,640 --> 00:41:27,840
Speaker 1: It was.

934
00:41:27,840 --> 00:41:29,839
Speaker 2: It was a high pay in most of the I'm

935
00:41:29,880 --> 00:41:31,799
Speaker 2: on in it by myself, which I hopefully I won't

936
00:41:31,840 --> 00:41:33,960
Speaker 2: be in next year. A lot of it's so expensive

937
00:41:33,960 --> 00:41:37,439
Speaker 2: that a lot of people actually share teams. But there

938
00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:39,200
Speaker 2: are just trades every day. I get like four or

939
00:41:39,200 --> 00:41:41,399
Speaker 2: five offers a day in this league, and so it's

940
00:41:41,480 --> 00:41:44,000
Speaker 2: kind of wild. You know, it's another league that Dan

941
00:41:44,040 --> 00:41:46,000
Speaker 2: Harris is in. Until we're texting about it all the time,

942
00:41:46,680 --> 00:41:48,480
Speaker 2: and a lot of a lot of times we're getting

943
00:41:48,480 --> 00:41:50,480
Speaker 2: offers from the same managers. So it's kind of fun

944
00:41:50,520 --> 00:41:51,920
Speaker 2: to like see him kind of like dance around the

945
00:41:51,960 --> 00:41:54,920
Speaker 2: league and get all these offers. But it is very

946
00:41:54,920 --> 00:41:57,600
Speaker 2: interesting to see all the trades going down. So this

947
00:41:57,640 --> 00:41:59,319
Speaker 2: one is, you know, kind of in the lower end,

948
00:41:59,360 --> 00:42:01,359
Speaker 2: but as Brandon would druft for Xavier Edwards. So it's

949
00:42:01,440 --> 00:42:04,319
Speaker 2: kind of a by low on Exavier Edwards. But then

950
00:42:04,360 --> 00:42:07,000
Speaker 2: also I'm the one who traded away Brandon Woodruff. I'd

951
00:42:07,080 --> 00:42:10,160
Speaker 2: been stashing him. I have not loved what I've seen

952
00:42:10,600 --> 00:42:13,440
Speaker 2: in you know, the lower velocity in the rehab assignment.

953
00:42:13,560 --> 00:42:15,280
Speaker 2: He was someone that I was kind of like stashing,

954
00:42:15,640 --> 00:42:18,960
Speaker 2: hoping I can get some you know, mid May juice

955
00:42:19,000 --> 00:42:21,319
Speaker 2: out of him, and I could use a little bit

956
00:42:21,360 --> 00:42:25,319
Speaker 2: of speed. And I also have I also made to trade,

957
00:42:25,360 --> 00:42:27,920
Speaker 2: so I have some extra pitching. And so I forget

958
00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:32,400
Speaker 2: who he This manager initially asked for a ranger Suarez

959
00:42:32,480 --> 00:42:34,520
Speaker 2: and I countered with Brandon Woodruff and he said throwing

960
00:42:34,560 --> 00:42:35,920
Speaker 2: ten dollars in fab and it's a deal, and I

961
00:42:35,960 --> 00:42:39,440
Speaker 2: said done. So I sent Brandon Woodruff for Xavier Edwards.

962
00:42:39,440 --> 00:42:40,160
Speaker 2: What do you think about that?

963
00:42:42,080 --> 00:42:47,200
Speaker 1: I think I would prefer Woodruff, but I think it's

964
00:42:47,320 --> 00:42:51,520
Speaker 1: close to neutral, Like it's not like on that scale

965
00:42:51,520 --> 00:42:54,120
Speaker 1: you said, It's not like a strongly agree or strongly disagree.

966
00:42:54,360 --> 00:42:56,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, And for like roster context, it was kind of

967
00:42:56,800 --> 00:42:59,680
Speaker 2: like Edwards is going to be like my last utility

968
00:42:59,719 --> 00:43:02,120
Speaker 2: or mid in fielder, like maybe not even start some weeks.

969
00:43:02,360 --> 00:43:04,080
Speaker 2: And Woodrod was kind of kind of be like an

970
00:43:04,080 --> 00:43:05,759
Speaker 2: extra arm. I was either gonna have to drop him

971
00:43:05,800 --> 00:43:08,359
Speaker 2: or someone else. Anyway, when he comes back, I think

972
00:43:08,400 --> 00:43:13,480
Speaker 2: that helps. Yeah, And then the last one is I

973
00:43:13,560 --> 00:43:15,640
Speaker 2: kind of wanted some more pitching volume and wasn't loving

974
00:43:15,680 --> 00:43:20,000
Speaker 2: like what I'd been streaming, and this manager put out feelers.

975
00:43:20,200 --> 00:43:22,560
Speaker 2: He just posted on the lead board. Look, he was like,

976
00:43:22,600 --> 00:43:25,719
Speaker 2: I'm looking for and you know I always talk on

977
00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:28,040
Speaker 2: the show about trading like hitters for pictures. I see

978
00:43:28,040 --> 00:43:29,520
Speaker 2: a lot of examples of like, you know, trading this

979
00:43:29,560 --> 00:43:31,120
Speaker 2: picture for this picture, and I'm like, why are you

980
00:43:31,200 --> 00:43:33,480
Speaker 2: trading pictures for pictures? You should always be the other way.

981
00:43:33,840 --> 00:43:36,440
Speaker 2: But this manager posted, I'm looking to you know, I

982
00:43:36,440 --> 00:43:39,279
Speaker 2: have extra pitching. I'm looking to flip two pictures for

983
00:43:39,440 --> 00:43:42,920
Speaker 2: potential upgrade. And so I sent him a couple offers.

984
00:43:42,920 --> 00:43:45,880
Speaker 2: One of them was Luis Castillo for Dustin May and

985
00:43:45,920 --> 00:43:50,440
Speaker 2: Sandy al Contra, which I have come concerns about Luis Castillo,

986
00:43:50,440 --> 00:43:52,040
Speaker 2: and so it was in my mind I was kind

987
00:43:52,040 --> 00:43:55,440
Speaker 2: of selling high on him for two when I think

988
00:43:55,440 --> 00:43:57,680
Speaker 2: are kind of bilows because I think, I don't know

989
00:43:57,680 --> 00:43:58,920
Speaker 2: if this is going to happen, but I think there's

990
00:43:58,960 --> 00:44:03,719
Speaker 2: a world where both Estamate and Saniel Contra are have

991
00:44:03,800 --> 00:44:06,000
Speaker 2: better numbers than Luis Castillo by the end of the season.

992
00:44:06,800 --> 00:44:08,600
Speaker 2: Maybe not, but I think there's a world where it happens.

993
00:44:08,600 --> 00:44:10,080
Speaker 2: But getting both of them for just him I was

994
00:44:10,080 --> 00:44:11,959
Speaker 2: happy to do. But what do you think about that one?

995
00:44:13,080 --> 00:44:16,080
Speaker 1: I wouldn't say I strongly agree or disagree. I would

996
00:44:16,120 --> 00:44:20,920
Speaker 1: say a regular agree on the may Al Contra side.

997
00:44:22,080 --> 00:44:24,880
Speaker 2: So I like the move. Yeah, and it's it's possible

998
00:44:24,880 --> 00:44:26,480
Speaker 2: it blows up on me too, But I think there's

999
00:44:26,480 --> 00:44:28,799
Speaker 2: also a possibility that Luis Castillo blows up soon.

1000
00:44:29,320 --> 00:44:31,960
Speaker 1: Well, And I like that you're getting two bylows, right,

1001
00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:35,279
Speaker 1: it's not just one, and so you're you're kind of

1002
00:44:35,280 --> 00:44:37,440
Speaker 1: doubling your chances of if one of them hits that

1003
00:44:37,520 --> 00:44:40,000
Speaker 1: it looks fair. And if both of them hit then

1004
00:44:40,000 --> 00:44:43,719
Speaker 1: it's a great deal. So and and I like the

1005
00:44:43,760 --> 00:44:46,600
Speaker 1: case for both of them as bilow's and I like

1006
00:44:46,680 --> 00:44:49,640
Speaker 1: the case for Castillo as a sell So I'm on board.

1007
00:44:49,640 --> 00:44:52,160
Speaker 1: With that, we'll wrap up this segment of the cycle

1008
00:44:52,640 --> 00:44:54,720
Speaker 1: on that one went a little bit longer for everybody.

1009
00:44:54,760 --> 00:44:59,200
Speaker 1: Hopefully they enjoyed, uh, you know everything, the long Orioles

1010
00:44:59,200 --> 00:45:02,200
Speaker 1: conversation and the football conversation and all this stuff that

1011
00:45:02,239 --> 00:45:05,120
Speaker 1: our audience usually hates. Sofday, we're okay with today. And

1012
00:45:05,160 --> 00:45:07,719
Speaker 1: the tequila. Oh, they love the tequila. We know that.

1013
00:45:08,840 --> 00:45:11,000
Speaker 1: If there's any rules that you with the audience thinks

1014
00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:13,120
Speaker 1: should be changed in baseball, please drop those in the comments.

1015
00:45:13,200 --> 00:45:15,120
Speaker 1: Let us know what other rules you would like to

1016
00:45:15,160 --> 00:45:18,120
Speaker 1: see band or added, or does any other kind of

1017
00:45:18,120 --> 00:45:21,439
Speaker 1: fun rules changes you want to see with baseball. Also,

1018
00:45:21,440 --> 00:45:24,879
Speaker 1: feel free to drop any trades you comments, and Mayor

1019
00:45:24,920 --> 00:45:27,160
Speaker 1: will hop into comments and give his thoughts on those.

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00:45:27,400 --> 00:45:30,719
Speaker 1: I'll volunteer him as tribute for that. For Mayor, I'm

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00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:32,600
Speaker 1: Ryan Wrman. Thanks for tuning in. Be sure to check

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00:45:32,600 --> 00:45:34,640
Speaker 1: out part two of the cycle coming later this weekend.

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