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Speaker 1: You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox

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Speaker 2: Uh, you know the college football, college basketball, the whole

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Speaker 2: conference that they had at the White House on Friday

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Speaker 2: and the president there. You had fifty esteemed individuals who

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Speaker 2: were there representing different different entities. You know, you have

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Speaker 2: former coaches, you have TV executives. I wanted to know

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Speaker 2: why not have a current coach and or current player

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Speaker 2: or players because you are talking about them. Ross Dellinger,

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Speaker 2: covering the event on Friday, Who's Sports senior college football reporter.

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Speaker 2: What was your biggest takeaway from this on Friday?

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Speaker 3: Ross, Dan, I noticed that you let out an exhaustive

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Speaker 3: sigh as you started to talk before you started talking

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Speaker 3: about this event, and I would say that plenty of

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Speaker 3: people in attendance probably had a similar sign after a

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Speaker 3: rap up.

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Speaker 4: You know, I think the goal.

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Speaker 5: Of this event, Dan, was to bring attention to the

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Speaker 5: issue by gathering all these important people, these dignitaries at

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Speaker 5: the White House in front of the President.

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Speaker 4: So I think there was a goal of number one, bringing.

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Speaker 5: Attention to the issue, and number two, by way of

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Speaker 5: bringing attention to it, maybe you put pressure on congressional

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Speaker 5: lawmakers to push something through a college sports bill through

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Speaker 5: the Congress, which is what the President wants. Has SETI

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Speaker 5: once and I think actually it accomplished goal one. It

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Speaker 5: certainly got people talking and had attention brought to it.

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Speaker 5: Whether we'll get a college sports bill from it, I'm

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Speaker 5: not sure. There's a fight in the Senate over a

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Speaker 5: bill and a fight in the House right now. And

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Speaker 5: there's a bill that probably could get to the floor

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Speaker 5: of the House to govern college athletics as soon as

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Speaker 5: next week, but I don't know that it'll pass. There's

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Speaker 5: confidence it'll pass the House, there's not confidence, as we

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Speaker 5: learned during the roundtable on Friday at the White House,

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Speaker 5: that it will pass the Senate. So still a lot

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Speaker 5: of hurdles. And of course, one of the things we've

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Speaker 5: found out that was a little bit of a surprise

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Speaker 5: Dan was the President saying he'll issue another executive order

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Speaker 5: to govern college athletics. Not sure what will be in that,

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Speaker 5: but he already issued one back in the summer, and

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Speaker 5: it hasn't changed much about anything, So I'm not sure

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Speaker 5: how this one will.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and if I'm wrong, tell me. But an executive

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Speaker 2: order can't make a law, provide antitrust exemptions or override

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Speaker 2: state laws or policies in the executive order, they can

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Speaker 2: be challenged in court. So I don't know what's going

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Speaker 2: to come out of this, if anything, But were are

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Speaker 2: there any ideas? Any initiatives that were actually brought up

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Speaker 2: in this roundtable?

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Speaker 4: Not anything novel or groundbreaking.

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Speaker 5: There was a good amount of time spent discussing the

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Speaker 5: score Act, the college sports bill that's in the House

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Speaker 5: that has twice failed to get to the floor because

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Speaker 5: they didn't have the votes, and again that I think

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Speaker 5: next week or maybe for the following week, we will

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Speaker 5: see that finally move. There was a lot of talk

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Speaker 5: about the score Act, and then there's a lot of

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Speaker 5: talk from the president specifically about the judicial system, which

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Speaker 5: you could tell he has sort of a vendetta against

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Speaker 5: because of rulings that have come against him the last

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Speaker 5: few months or so. So he he sort of blamed

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Speaker 5: college sports current situation on on judges.

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Speaker 4: And on their on their rulings.

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Speaker 5: Uh So, No, they get back to your question, not

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Speaker 5: a whole lot of novel concepts that that we learned. Uh,

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Speaker 5: just college sports folks sitting around with the president, uh,

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Speaker 5: complaining about judge in hoping for something to happen in congress.

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Speaker 2: Why not a current coach or current players.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, well, I mean I think a group of a

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Speaker 4: small group of media.

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Speaker 5: We got a few questions and at the very end

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Speaker 5: and someone did ask the president why there wasn't a

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Speaker 5: current college athlete.

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Speaker 4: On the panel.

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Speaker 5: And he turned to Randa Levigne, who's the Yankees president

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Speaker 5: who actually put together, sort of put together the roundtable.

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Speaker 4: And said that while there's no current.

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Speaker 5: Athlete now around this specific roundtable, that in the future,

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Speaker 5: as this group continues, there will be athlete voices sort

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Speaker 4: Apparently the group will continue, maybe not as big.

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Speaker 5: They're going to break off into sort of like a

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Speaker 5: smaller subgroup I don't know, three, five, ten people to

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Speaker 5: continue working with the legislature. That's the thing, Dan, that

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Speaker 5: you read all that's accurate about the president in an

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Speaker 5: executive order, he can't do a whole lot there's not

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Speaker 5: a whole lot of power there need you need congressional actions.

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Speaker 5: So this small subgroup of the roundtable will work with

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Speaker 5: lawmakers to try to shape college sports legislation that you know,

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Speaker 5: grants conferences in the NCAA the power to enforce their

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Speaker 5: rules preempt these state in il laws and deems athletes

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Speaker 5: is not employees. That's sort of the three main things

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Speaker 5: they want to happen now for the casual fan, Dan,

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Speaker 5: part of what they want is an anti trust exemption

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Speaker 5: to enforce their rules around transfers in the cap, the

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Speaker 5: salary cap that we have now in college athletics, in

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Speaker 5: the movement just the movement of people transferring in eligibility standards.

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Speaker 5: So that's how the casual fan might eventually see a

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Speaker 5: bill come to fruition. Is so much pressure from all

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Speaker 5: these eligibility cases that we've seen in the movement of

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Speaker 5: transfers in college athletics.

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Speaker 2: What role does Nick Saban play?

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Speaker 5: Well, you know, I think he's he's got a pretty

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Speaker 5: big voice, number one, and for whatever reason, the president.

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Speaker 4: Wants him to play a very big role. He was

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Speaker 4: you know, there was.

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Speaker 5: This commission or this roundtable that was put together with

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Speaker 5: something last springing almost a year ago that kind of

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Speaker 5: got out publicly, and the President wanted Nick Saban to

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Speaker 5: char it, and Nick actually didn't really didn't want to

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Speaker 5: be involved, and so somehow he got talked into being involved.

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Speaker 5: Now at this at this roundtable, he certainly got a

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Speaker 5: big voice and the President wants to be wants him involved.

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Speaker 5: And you know, if you listen to Nick Saban, you

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Speaker 5: know he's You've got a lot of good ideas. I

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Speaker 5: think he's he's got other ideas that some athlete rights

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Speaker 5: folks may disagree with as far as the restrictions imposed

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Speaker 5: on athletes. And that's the real argument here, Dan, and

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Speaker 5: that's why Congress can't get a bill through is because

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Speaker 5: you have most Republicans that are leaning toward the NCAA

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Speaker 5: sort of side and more restrictions on athletes and more

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Speaker 5: control for the NCAAA, and a democratic side wants more

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Speaker 5: control and freedom for athletes. But right now that control

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Speaker 5: and freedom is, as the college administrators might say, out

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Speaker 5: of control, right and so they.

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Speaker 4: Want some kind of rules and regulation.

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Speaker 5: So you have this fight going on between Republican Democrats

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Speaker 5: that I don't see getting resolved anytime soon.

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Speaker 2: College football in better shape now or ten years.

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Speaker 4: Ago since.

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Speaker 5: Since the athletes are getting some kind of compensation Right

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Speaker 5: now from the multi billion dollar business that is college football,

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Speaker 5: you have to say it's in a better situation. But

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Speaker 5: I think the unregulation in the intense movement that we're

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Speaker 5: seeing among transfers and things like that in the situation

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Speaker 5: with the inconsistent eligibility standard that it's it's not in

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Speaker 5: a place, it's not in the greatest place right that

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Speaker 5: it could be. So there's just a balance that has

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Speaker 5: to be struck on how many how much rule and regulation,

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Speaker 5: how much restriction do you put on athletes because they

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Speaker 5: you know, ten years ago, Dan, they had virtually none, right,

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Speaker 5: they had no, hardly any freedoms, and now maybe the

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Speaker 5: argument is they have too many freedoms and so we

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Speaker 5: don't have any rule of regulation.

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Speaker 4: There's got to be sort of a balance there.

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Speaker 5: Usually you get to that balance by what the NFL

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Speaker 5: and all the pro leagues have done, Dan, which is

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Speaker 5: collective bargaining, but it's not to the evening college and

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Speaker 5: it has been a big topic of discussion.

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Speaker 4: But it's not like you can push a button and

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Speaker 4: get there.

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Speaker 5: The many administrators want to try to start taking steps down, down, down,

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Speaker 5: toward a collective bargaining agreement of some sort with major

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Speaker 5: college football and basketball players.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, Ross, YEP, gonna be on Ross Dellinger Yahoo

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Speaker 2: thanks for joining us. Why not if you're the Dolphins,

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Speaker 2: keep Tua on the roster if you're paying.

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Speaker 8: Him, great question. I think, Dan, they're resetting things. It's

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Speaker 8: year one, Let's take the cap charges, Let's eat a

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Speaker 8: lot of the money this year. Some of it's gonna

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Speaker 8: go to next year and start fresh. I think it's

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Speaker 8: sending a message about culture and more about the future

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Speaker 8: than Hey, if we win six or seven games or

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Speaker 8: eight games this year, that doesn't matter. So I understand

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Speaker 8: why they were doing year one with a new head coach,

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Speaker 8: year one with a new GM.

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Speaker 2: Are the Dolphins gonna be tanking.

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Speaker 8: I don't know if they're gonna be tanking, but I

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Speaker 8: think what's gonna be really interesting, Dan, if you and

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Speaker 8: I are having this conversation October and November, there'll be

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Speaker 8: a number of teams that are probably more interested in

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Speaker 8: fishing closer to the top of the draft than to

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Speaker 8: making the playoffs. And I don't know if they're going

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Speaker 8: to have a tanking problem the way the NBA does,

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Speaker 8: but without question, next year's draft is loaded with quarterbacks,

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Speaker 8: and there's gonna be a number of teams that maybe

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Speaker 8: out of it in the middle of the season. It'll

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Speaker 8: be interesting to see how they can port themselves when

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Speaker 8: we get there.

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Speaker 2: But Tua, if he signs with the team, he still

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Speaker 2: gets his money from Miami.

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Speaker 6: That's correct. There's three.

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Speaker 8: There's three quarterbacks right now, Kyler, Murray, Gino Smith and

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Speaker 8: Tua that all have massive guarantees from their previous team.

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Speaker 8: All three of those quarterbacks will sign for about one

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Speaker 8: point three million dollars this year. So it's not necessarily

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Speaker 8: comparing apples to apples when you talk about Daniel Jones

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Speaker 8: or Kirk Cousins or Malik Willis with those other three,

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Speaker 8: because a team is going to see one of those

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Speaker 8: three players as tremendous value.

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Speaker 2: If you ran the Raiders, what do you do? You

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Speaker 2: I'm right there with you. I've been using the Andrew

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm not so sure they have it.

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Speaker 2: Who had a better week or ten days? Bills Ravens Rams.

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Speaker 2: He's Mike tan and baumb ESPN NFL Front Office insider.

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Speaker 2: What do you expect the rest of this week?

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Speaker 8: I think the quarterbacks are gonna be fascinating because I

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Speaker 2: You ever get in a shouting match with an agent?

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Speaker 8: Yeah, more times than I would care to admit.

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Speaker 2: you again.

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Speaker 6: All right, appreciate you having me.

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00:23:08,760 --> 00:23:13,000
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441
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442
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443
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444
00:23:23,080 --> 00:23:24,919
Speaker 2: He was on the call for the Rockets and the

445
00:23:24,960 --> 00:23:28,720
Speaker 2: Spurs last night on NBC and Peacock. Reggie Miller back

446
00:23:28,760 --> 00:23:32,080
Speaker 2: with us also Coast to Coast on Tuesday, stays in

447
00:23:32,119 --> 00:23:36,359
Speaker 2: San Antonio the Celtics and the Spurs eight Eastern, also

448
00:23:36,400 --> 00:23:42,280
Speaker 2: on NBC and Peacock. We Wemby again. Wemby both ends

449
00:23:42,280 --> 00:23:46,080
Speaker 2: of the floor, inside and out. He shoots over eighty

450
00:23:46,119 --> 00:23:48,280
Speaker 2: percent from the free throw line. I'm trying to figure

451
00:23:48,320 --> 00:23:50,720
Speaker 2: out what he doesn't do. At the ripe old age

452
00:23:51,080 --> 00:23:51,800
Speaker 2: of twenty two.

453
00:23:52,520 --> 00:23:55,320
Speaker 6: I think he's starting to figure it out. I think

454
00:23:55,359 --> 00:24:01,840
Speaker 6: what I've been most impressed with, especially this year, he

455
00:24:02,040 --> 00:24:06,639
Speaker 6: is embracing how teams are playing him because the knock

456
00:24:06,800 --> 00:24:09,919
Speaker 6: especially the first year, be physical with him, get up

457
00:24:09,960 --> 00:24:13,200
Speaker 6: under him, kind of move them around. And I think

458
00:24:13,320 --> 00:24:15,800
Speaker 6: because of last year his season was short because of

459
00:24:15,840 --> 00:24:19,840
Speaker 6: the blood clots. We didn't get a huge sample size

460
00:24:19,920 --> 00:24:22,679
Speaker 6: of games. But I think he went back to the

461
00:24:22,760 --> 00:24:26,479
Speaker 6: lab this offseason. We saw all his travels with the

462
00:24:26,520 --> 00:24:31,560
Speaker 6: Monks and different places, trying to figure out the meaning

463
00:24:31,600 --> 00:24:34,760
Speaker 6: of life and the game of basketball to him. And

464
00:24:34,800 --> 00:24:38,840
Speaker 6: he's come back with a sense of purpose of matching

465
00:24:39,520 --> 00:24:43,640
Speaker 6: other teams physicality. Again, he's still not the biggest guys,

466
00:24:43,800 --> 00:24:47,520
Speaker 6: but he's embracing how these teams are playing them. And

467
00:24:47,760 --> 00:24:50,160
Speaker 6: if you just case in point, the last three games,

468
00:24:50,520 --> 00:24:53,840
Speaker 6: he went against the Detroit Pistons, a very physical team,

469
00:24:54,359 --> 00:24:57,280
Speaker 6: the La Clippers, who have a number of players who

470
00:24:57,440 --> 00:25:00,879
Speaker 6: like to play physical, and even last night with the

471
00:25:00,920 --> 00:25:05,960
Speaker 6: Houston Rockets, they have a starting lineup of six six sixt' seven, six'

472
00:25:06,160 --> 00:25:09,840
Speaker 6: nine and seven feet With Kevin, durant and they tried

473
00:25:09,840 --> 00:25:12,240
Speaker 6: to get up under, him they tried to be physical with.

474
00:25:12,320 --> 00:25:15,679
Speaker 6: Him he embraces that now and almost uses it against.

475
00:25:15,760 --> 00:25:20,240
Speaker 6: Them And you're, Right AND i was trying to, think

476
00:25:20,600 --> 00:25:22,879
Speaker 6: AND i was trying to put myself in the shoes

477
00:25:22,920 --> 00:25:29,040
Speaker 6: of fans of players that it is an experience when

478
00:25:29,080 --> 00:25:32,680
Speaker 6: you watch them Play dan And i'm, thinking LIKE mj

479
00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:34,800
Speaker 6: was like that because you didn't know what you were

480
00:25:34,800 --> 00:25:38,160
Speaker 6: going to see WITH mj on the. COURT i Put

481
00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:41,040
Speaker 6: Stephen curry in that because of his ability to shoot the.

482
00:25:41,080 --> 00:25:46,160
Speaker 6: Basketball to, me with, me is a musty experience because

483
00:25:46,200 --> 00:25:49,560
Speaker 6: you you truly do not know what you are going

484
00:25:49,600 --> 00:25:52,800
Speaker 6: to see and what you do see and. Witness it's,

485
00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:56,359
Speaker 6: LIKE i don't Think i've seen a human being do.

486
00:25:56,520 --> 00:26:01,280
Speaker 2: That but What i'm also seeing is somebody who. Cares

487
00:26:01,880 --> 00:26:04,439
Speaker 2: if you saw him in The All Star, game you

488
00:26:04,840 --> 00:26:08,000
Speaker 2: saw him in The, olympics even the comeback game against

489
00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:12,600
Speaker 2: The clippers where he got. Emotional he truly cares about

490
00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:16,000
Speaker 2: the outcome of the. Game AND i find that really,

491
00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:18,520
Speaker 2: rare and certainly at the age of you, KNOW i

492
00:26:18,560 --> 00:26:20,520
Speaker 2: brought up twenty, two isn't it?

493
00:26:20,560 --> 00:26:25,080
Speaker 6: Refreshing all? RIGHT i, mean you, know we get so

494
00:26:25,280 --> 00:26:30,320
Speaker 6: jaded nowadays because of some of these big contracts and load,

495
00:26:30,440 --> 00:26:34,560
Speaker 6: management guys not wanting to. Play here's a guy, who

496
00:26:34,680 --> 00:26:38,240
Speaker 6: again he'll listen to the trainers and the doctors for The,

497
00:26:38,280 --> 00:26:41,359
Speaker 6: spurs but he wants to be out there every, minute

498
00:26:41,359 --> 00:26:45,360
Speaker 6: and he wants to be out there. Competing AND i

499
00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:49,800
Speaker 6: just wonder if Our american born, players it's some of

500
00:26:49,840 --> 00:26:53,919
Speaker 6: the elite players are getting tired of the talk That

501
00:26:55,080 --> 00:26:58,600
Speaker 6: victor Windin yama saved The All Star, game which he.

502
00:26:58,640 --> 00:27:02,720
Speaker 6: Did he said the tone in that first, game how

503
00:27:02,760 --> 00:27:05,440
Speaker 6: hard he came out and, Played AND i, WONDER i

504
00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:07,960
Speaker 6: why Are american born players are looking at this saying

505
00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:10,440
Speaker 6: you know what that that should be, us that's how

506
00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:14,399
Speaker 6: we should be. Playing and you have This frenchman setting the.

507
00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:16,960
Speaker 6: Tone And i'm not the only one saying that he

508
00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:18,720
Speaker 6: saved The All Star, game but a lot of people

509
00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:22,960
Speaker 6: are saying that because of how he approached. It and

510
00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:28,439
Speaker 6: it's just refreshing to see that he competes so hard

511
00:27:28,560 --> 00:27:32,840
Speaker 6: in just his third season and he just sets a.

512
00:27:32,920 --> 00:27:36,399
Speaker 2: Precedence i'll give you anybody in the league for the

513
00:27:36,440 --> 00:27:40,000
Speaker 2: next five years who you.

514
00:27:40,040 --> 00:27:43,080
Speaker 6: Taking, OH i would take him because of what he

515
00:27:43,080 --> 00:27:44,080
Speaker 6: does at both ends of the.

516
00:27:44,080 --> 00:27:47,120
Speaker 2: Floor anybody Close.

517
00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:50,600
Speaker 6: Kate cunningham would be in. THERE i Think Cooper flag

518
00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:54,600
Speaker 6: will have his. Moments, Again cooper's only what in nineteen,

519
00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:59,840
Speaker 6: twenty but for the next five. Years right, now HE'S

520
00:27:59,840 --> 00:28:05,480
Speaker 6: thea and he's a very humble, kid but yet how

521
00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:08,960
Speaker 6: he approaches the, game he's very. Thoughtful he's very methodical

522
00:28:10,359 --> 00:28:12,840
Speaker 6: in terms of prep for a, game prep for his.

523
00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:16,320
Speaker 6: Body the only thing that will be a knock going

524
00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:20,120
Speaker 6: forward will be the injury. Part and right now he's

525
00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:24,720
Speaker 6: with the perfect organization because they basically emitted load management

526
00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:28,480
Speaker 6: back to the Great popovich And Keim, duncan momm And

527
00:28:28,520 --> 00:28:32,359
Speaker 6: Ginobi Tony parker. Days so he's with the perfect organization

528
00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:37,320
Speaker 6: in terms of saving his body going, forward and you know,

529
00:28:37,359 --> 00:28:41,600
Speaker 6: what protecting him for himself because he, again he wants

530
00:28:41,640 --> 00:28:44,080
Speaker 6: to be out there every minute competing at a high.

531
00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:47,960
Speaker 2: Level speaking of being out, There Jason tatum comes. Back

532
00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:50,200
Speaker 2: it's not like they eased him into the. Lineup he

533
00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:54,200
Speaker 2: was in the, lineup AND I i love watching this

534
00:28:54,280 --> 00:28:56,720
Speaker 2: team and Now tatum. BACK i think they're the team

535
00:28:56,760 --> 00:28:58,280
Speaker 2: to beat in The. EAST i.

536
00:28:58,320 --> 00:29:02,320
Speaker 6: AGREE i agree with, him and especially with the recent

537
00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:05,800
Speaker 6: slide of The Detroit, PISTONS i think they've lost their last.

538
00:29:05,840 --> 00:29:09,760
Speaker 6: THREE i still Think detroit will win The. East BUT

539
00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:13,880
Speaker 6: i Think boston is in the perfect situation because now

540
00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:17,800
Speaker 6: you have a long runway For Jason tatum to get

541
00:29:17,800 --> 00:29:20,880
Speaker 6: into basketball, shape almost a month until the season is,

542
00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:24,480
Speaker 6: over and then the first first and second rounds that's

543
00:29:24,520 --> 00:29:29,360
Speaker 6: another two to three, weeks so it almost has two

544
00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:33,120
Speaker 6: full months to get in basketball. Shape this past game

545
00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:38,440
Speaker 6: On saturday In, cleveland he played twenty seven. Minutes this

546
00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:41,080
Speaker 6: is a guy that's been off for ten months with

547
00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:44,880
Speaker 6: an achilles, injury achilles, tear and he comes back and

548
00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:47,800
Speaker 6: he played twenty seven minutes on the. ROAD i thought

549
00:29:47,800 --> 00:29:50,520
Speaker 6: they were going to play him in even smaller, increments

550
00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:54,520
Speaker 6: but it just lets me know that he's been back

551
00:29:54,600 --> 00:29:56,400
Speaker 6: for a. While because for him to come back and

552
00:29:56,440 --> 00:29:59,960
Speaker 6: play at this level and play those, minutes impactful, minutes

553
00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:05,240
Speaker 6: it means he's been practicing and lifting and whatever else

554
00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:09,840
Speaker 6: he's been. Doing it's been absolutely. Remarkable and it's going

555
00:30:09,880 --> 00:30:13,680
Speaker 6: to be a fun game tomorrow because two great defensive

556
00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:18,400
Speaker 6: Teams boston The, spurs and it'll be interesting because he

557
00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:21,200
Speaker 6: will be, Tested, Him, Brown, pritchard they will all be

558
00:30:21,320 --> 00:30:24,360
Speaker 6: tested on the wings because The spurs play a very

559
00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:27,680
Speaker 6: physical style as well. Defensively this should be a very

560
00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:28,640
Speaker 6: fun and entertaining.

561
00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:34,000
Speaker 2: Game Michael jordan says he doesn't get involved in the goat.

562
00:30:34,040 --> 00:30:37,440
Speaker 2: Debate the latest interview That Mike treco did with. Him

563
00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:41,280
Speaker 2: you talked about it on the. Broadcast why Would mike

564
00:30:41,360 --> 00:30:43,240
Speaker 2: get involved in the goat Debate.

565
00:30:43,880 --> 00:30:47,960
Speaker 6: Because we're his. Minions that's our jobs to serve the, key.

566
00:30:48,600 --> 00:30:50,560
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah but he doesn't have to say. Anything he

567
00:30:50,560 --> 00:30:52,720
Speaker 2: doesn't just say a word and, right he just goes.

568
00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:56,280
Speaker 6: Scoreboard, Right that's that's our. Job our job look at

569
00:30:56,320 --> 00:30:58,160
Speaker 6: the scoreboard and go like this all he needs to

570
00:30:58,160 --> 00:31:03,400
Speaker 6: do is hold up this and that's, it this six FINALS. MVPs,

571
00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:07,880
Speaker 6: LOOK i HAVEN'T i didn't play against everyone that's ever.

572
00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:11,000
Speaker 6: PLAYED i never, played like he, said Against oscar And

573
00:31:11,120 --> 00:31:14,560
Speaker 6: Jerry west and all. That BUT i do know what

574
00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:17,880
Speaker 6: it does feel like to go against, Him Kobe lebron

575
00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:23,880
Speaker 6: for one, season AND i love all those. Guys it's

576
00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:27,959
Speaker 6: hard to he will never win if he interjects, himself

577
00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:32,200
Speaker 6: puts himself in that. Place, again that's our. Place that's our,

578
00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:36,240
Speaker 6: job yours and eyes because from you your eye, test

579
00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:38,560
Speaker 6: you've been around a long. Time you've seen a lot of.

580
00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:41,479
Speaker 6: BASKETBALL i played against a lot of great, players The,

581
00:31:41,560 --> 00:31:46,520
Speaker 6: magics The, larry's The, MICHAELS i played against them. All

582
00:31:46,680 --> 00:31:50,160
Speaker 6: SO i kind of get. It but, again that's not

583
00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:53,160
Speaker 6: our job to do. That it's and that's not his

584
00:31:53,320 --> 00:31:53,840
Speaker 6: job to do.

585
00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:58,600
Speaker 2: That, yeah you, know it's weird WHEN i get asked this,

586
00:31:58,680 --> 00:32:03,600
Speaker 2: question because, look you can build up a resume For

587
00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:06,520
Speaker 2: lebron and you go what he did to do it

588
00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:09,640
Speaker 2: for over twenty years and you know, consistent, see but

589
00:32:10,840 --> 00:32:13,600
Speaker 2: you See kobe and it's and it's weird HOW i

590
00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:17,000
Speaker 2: Think kobe got kind of Uh, OH i think we lost.

591
00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:17,080
Speaker 6: You.

592
00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:23,479
Speaker 2: Reg, oh, yeah start bringing Up. Jordan here we. Go, Yeah,

593
00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:26,080
Speaker 2: todd we'll see if you can GET regi back on.

594
00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:31,160
Speaker 2: There i'm just glad That Mike. Tarico you, Know mike

595
00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:33,480
Speaker 2: hadn't been that busy the last you, know six. Weeks

596
00:32:33,520 --> 00:32:36,680
Speaker 2: i'm glad that he got to do something where All reg's. Back,

597
00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:42,080
Speaker 2: yeah got to sit down With jordan again for another.

598
00:32:42,120 --> 00:32:46,080
Speaker 2: Interview but you, Know kobe's the one, that, like If

599
00:32:46,120 --> 00:32:48,720
Speaker 2: i'm you and you, say, okay you got to Face

600
00:32:48,800 --> 00:32:54,560
Speaker 2: Lebron Mike kobe Like kobe Is. MIKE i mean It's

601
00:32:55,360 --> 00:32:59,160
Speaker 2: lebron's a, different different animal out, there but like style,

602
00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:04,360
Speaker 2: Wise kobe is Is mike because he himself AFTER.

603
00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:07,400
Speaker 6: I, THINK i think we get caught up when we

604
00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:11,920
Speaker 6: talk about the goat situation and the go. Debate to,

605
00:33:12,040 --> 00:33:18,240
Speaker 6: me the best player of the three IS. Mj kobe

606
00:33:18,280 --> 00:33:22,640
Speaker 6: is a clone and a better, version like He's mike on,

607
00:33:22,800 --> 00:33:27,320
Speaker 6: steroids better jump. Shooter to, me the fundamentals were better

608
00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:32,200
Speaker 6: because he perfected them to be like the MASTER. Mj

609
00:33:33,600 --> 00:33:36,960
Speaker 6: if you're talking about, careers the best career out of

610
00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:41,040
Speaker 6: all three of, those in my opinion Is lebron because

611
00:33:41,080 --> 00:33:44,280
Speaker 6: of the longevity and what he has done eight straight.

612
00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:52,840
Speaker 2: Finals but you you you put emphasis on career and, rightfully,

613
00:33:52,800 --> 00:33:54,280
Speaker 2: yeah there's a.

614
00:33:54,360 --> 00:33:59,680
Speaker 6: Difference, SO i, Mean lebron has had the best career

615
00:33:59,720 --> 00:34:03,840
Speaker 6: out of anyone for him to continue to play like this

616
00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:07,400
Speaker 6: at this, level this late in his. Career but if

617
00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:15,040
Speaker 6: we're going stack for stack, player to, ME, Mj, kobe

618
00:34:15,320 --> 00:34:15,760
Speaker 6: and Then.

619
00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:18,560
Speaker 2: Lebron oh in that, order.

620
00:34:20,640 --> 00:34:23,880
Speaker 6: To me in that order just Because, okay LOOK i

621
00:34:23,960 --> 00:34:28,120
Speaker 6: only had one year Versus. Lebron my last, year his rookie,

622
00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:32,319
Speaker 6: YEAR i got tattooed BY. MJ i got tattooed By

623
00:34:32,400 --> 00:34:36,200
Speaker 6: kobe at a high, level you, know Facing kobe in the.

624
00:34:36,200 --> 00:34:39,600
Speaker 6: Finals so there's a body of work Between kobe AND

625
00:34:39,640 --> 00:34:42,880
Speaker 6: i THAT i can you, KNOW i have a sample size.

626
00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:47,680
Speaker 2: Against it's it's interesting WHEN i watch defenders on guys

627
00:34:47,719 --> 00:34:51,200
Speaker 2: who were supposed to score and how you don't let

628
00:34:51,239 --> 00:34:53,520
Speaker 2: it affect. You BUT i don't know how you, Don't

629
00:34:53,880 --> 00:34:57,400
Speaker 2: like if you're Guarding kobe on the wing and everybody's, watching,

630
00:34:57,960 --> 00:35:00,200
Speaker 2: yeah and all of a sudden he blows by you

631
00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:04,440
Speaker 2: and you know, Dunks, like how do you not take? That? Personally?

632
00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:07,759
Speaker 6: Well you never wanted to show emotions when you were

633
00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:10,960
Speaker 6: playing those two, guys AND i tried as much as

634
00:35:11,040 --> 00:35:14,200
Speaker 6: possible not to BECAUSE i tried to put pressure on

635
00:35:14,280 --> 00:35:17,760
Speaker 6: them at the other end as, well Because i'm blowing

636
00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:22,319
Speaker 6: by them as. Well you, KNOW I i tried to put

637
00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:25,120
Speaker 6: as much pressure and make them work as hard as

638
00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:27,960
Speaker 6: they possibly were making me, work to try to tire them.

639
00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:32,080
Speaker 6: Out both of those, Players Kobe, mike they were superior

640
00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:35,359
Speaker 6: athletes in fantastic, shape which is very difficult to. Do,

641
00:35:36,120 --> 00:35:38,719
Speaker 6: so you, KNOW i heard you earlier talking about THE

642
00:35:38,840 --> 00:35:40,879
Speaker 6: La marathon and you know run in the twenty six

643
00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:42,799
Speaker 6: miles and all. THAT i tried to make it a

644
00:35:42,920 --> 00:35:46,640
Speaker 6: marathon versus those guys and make it a track meet

645
00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:50,239
Speaker 6: and constantly keep them in motion to try and tire them.

646
00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:54,000
Speaker 6: Down some games it, worked other games it. Didn't but

647
00:35:55,280 --> 00:35:57,239
Speaker 6: that's WHAT i tried to do versus those two.

648
00:35:57,280 --> 00:36:00,680
Speaker 2: Players talking To Reggie, miller he was on the call

649
00:36:00,760 --> 00:36:03,520
Speaker 2: For Rocket spurs last. Night he'll be staying In San,

650
00:36:03,520 --> 00:36:07,360
Speaker 2: Antonio Celtic. Spurs that's tomorrow, night eight eastern ON nbc And.

651
00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:10,239
Speaker 2: Peacock what do you make of THIS La? Marathon if

652
00:36:10,280 --> 00:36:12,879
Speaker 2: you run eighteen, miles you get the same metal as

653
00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:15,920
Speaker 2: those who completed The New york or the deal with

654
00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:16,920
Speaker 2: the participation.

655
00:36:17,080 --> 00:36:20,799
Speaker 6: Trophies come, on, now now.

656
00:36:20,680 --> 00:36:24,920
Speaker 2: They talked about they talked about the, heat and BUT

657
00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:28,480
Speaker 2: i can't give you the same, metal the same exact.

658
00:36:28,480 --> 00:36:30,480
Speaker 4: Medal is it the exact same?

659
00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:35,960
Speaker 6: Medal, yes come, on that can't happen, Then really the

660
00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:40,040
Speaker 6: marathon was eighteen miles in that twenty six, correct, Baby,

661
00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:47,800
Speaker 6: yeah can't do. That well we're giving out participation medals

662
00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:49,360
Speaker 6: or just going eighteen?

663
00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:50,120
Speaker 4: Miles?

664
00:36:51,600 --> 00:36:54,280
Speaker 2: No, yeah but you got you got kids they probably

665
00:36:54,320 --> 00:36:56,919
Speaker 2: get participation trophies.

666
00:36:56,640 --> 00:37:04,960
Speaker 6: And dry in absolutely Mad. THEODORE i mean it, does

667
00:37:05,320 --> 00:37:08,800
Speaker 6: because what are we teaching these. Kids that's not how life.

668
00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:12,439
Speaker 6: Works right in the business, world it. Does don't. Work

669
00:37:12,680 --> 00:37:17,759
Speaker 6: you do not get a participation trophy for coming in

670
00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:21,920
Speaker 6: second or. Third work, hard go back to the, lab

671
00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:25,560
Speaker 6: get in the, gym go outside and start. Shooting, hey

672
00:37:25,800 --> 00:37:27,960
Speaker 6: get on the field and stop working on your. Fielding

673
00:37:28,680 --> 00:37:29,759
Speaker 6: learn how to catch the.

674
00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:33,880
Speaker 2: Football did you get anything for finishing runner up in

675
00:37:33,880 --> 00:37:34,760
Speaker 2: THE Nba? Finals?

676
00:37:35,160 --> 00:37:39,919
Speaker 6: Yeah you know WHAT i. Got that's a, bat that's. It,

677
00:37:40,880 --> 00:37:43,120
Speaker 6: yeah that's all we. Got.

678
00:37:43,320 --> 00:37:45,759
Speaker 2: Kobe kobe gave you a pat on the back and, said,

679
00:37:45,840 --> 00:37:49,319
Speaker 2: Yeah i'm a. Chance why are you torturing me right?

680
00:37:49,360 --> 00:37:51,879
Speaker 2: Now you KNOW i DIDN'T i didn't know who gave

681
00:37:51,920 --> 00:37:55,840
Speaker 2: you the pad on the? Back did you give yourself a?

682
00:37:55,880 --> 00:37:58,920
Speaker 2: Pad check gave me a Get?

683
00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:02,560
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah you gotta play hard.

684
00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:04,160
Speaker 2: Rich.

685
00:38:05,080 --> 00:38:09,840
Speaker 6: Rick they. Couldn't they couldn't go to Big. Dithel that

686
00:38:09,960 --> 00:38:12,879
Speaker 6: was the. PROBLEM i was, Like, okay you're, right big.

687
00:38:12,920 --> 00:38:15,200
Speaker 6: Fella you're, right big.

688
00:38:15,239 --> 00:38:18,359
Speaker 2: Fella if you had to pick, that you're gonna get

689
00:38:18,360 --> 00:38:21,520
Speaker 2: bounced in the second round of the postseason or you're

690
00:38:21,520 --> 00:38:22,520
Speaker 2: going to lose in THE nba.

691
00:38:22,640 --> 00:38:27,280
Speaker 6: Finals i'll always take the finals because anything can happen

692
00:38:27,280 --> 00:38:31,080
Speaker 6: once you get. There but it trusts. Me it beatings much.

693
00:38:31,120 --> 00:38:34,719
Speaker 6: More it stings much more because you say to, yourself

694
00:38:35,840 --> 00:38:39,880
Speaker 6: where CAN i win four? Games when you get to the,

695
00:38:39,880 --> 00:38:43,120
Speaker 6: finals that's what you, Say i've got to win four.

696
00:38:43,239 --> 00:38:47,319
Speaker 6: Games and then when we went down two to oh

697
00:38:47,640 --> 00:38:50,480
Speaker 6: going back home and we won game, Three we're, like

698
00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:54,319
Speaker 6: we Are you're you're saying three. Wins you would do

699
00:38:54,520 --> 00:38:58,799
Speaker 6: anything to win three, games and, Yeah so that's how

700
00:38:58,840 --> 00:39:01,160
Speaker 6: desperate you, get and that that's the thinking you have to.

701
00:39:01,239 --> 00:39:03,800
Speaker 6: Have AND i know people ought to be politically, correct

702
00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:08,120
Speaker 6: but you are counting down to sixteen. Wins once you

703
00:39:08,200 --> 00:39:10,839
Speaker 6: get to THE nba, playoffs and once you get to the,

704
00:39:10,840 --> 00:39:16,480
Speaker 6: finals you just, say how CAN i win four games

705
00:39:16,560 --> 00:39:17,279
Speaker 6: before that other?

706
00:39:17,360 --> 00:39:22,440
Speaker 2: Team would you give up part of your pinky finger

707
00:39:22,880 --> 00:39:23,920
Speaker 2: on your left? Hand?

708
00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:26,399
Speaker 6: Friend? Yip?

709
00:39:27,239 --> 00:39:31,080
Speaker 2: Yeah people?

710
00:39:31,239 --> 00:39:36,520
Speaker 6: Understand? Man when, yeah DID i say on my left?

711
00:39:36,520 --> 00:39:36,960
Speaker 3: Hand?

712
00:39:37,320 --> 00:39:38,640
Speaker 2: Yeah OH i still.

713
00:39:38,680 --> 00:39:41,600
Speaker 6: Contributed, YEAH i can hold the. Ball, yeah give it the,

714
00:39:41,640 --> 00:39:43,080
Speaker 6: ball give it the.

715
00:39:43,120 --> 00:39:48,279
Speaker 2: Ball nine and a half fingers, Miller.

716
00:39:48,440 --> 00:39:51,680
Speaker 6: Yeah just just give me the. Ball people are, yes,

717
00:39:52,120 --> 00:39:56,120
Speaker 6: YES i. Would it wouldn't stink to. Me the reason

718
00:39:56,120 --> 00:39:58,279
Speaker 6: WHY i feel this way, people AND i want to

719
00:39:58,320 --> 00:40:00,640
Speaker 6: explain this to him IF i had ever been so

720
00:40:00,840 --> 00:40:04,080
Speaker 6: close for so many, years so many conference finals versus

721
00:40:04,160 --> 00:40:08,279
Speaker 6: The Knicks, philly when you're that, close when it's eight

722
00:40:08,520 --> 00:40:10,759
Speaker 6: down to four and then losing to The lakers in the,

723
00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:13,680
Speaker 6: finals needing four. Wins when you're that close and you

724
00:40:13,719 --> 00:40:16,000
Speaker 6: can taste it and see the finish, line but you

725
00:40:16,040 --> 00:40:19,799
Speaker 6: can't get to the finish. Line that's WHY i feel this.

726
00:40:19,840 --> 00:40:22,800
Speaker 6: Way the. Stinks IF i had been like first second

727
00:40:22,880 --> 00:40:26,520
Speaker 6: round and always you know going, OUT i had was

728
00:40:26,560 --> 00:40:29,520
Speaker 6: never close to the finish, line so who? Cares but

729
00:40:29,560 --> 00:40:31,759
Speaker 6: when you're close and you can see the FINISH i

730
00:40:31,880 --> 00:40:35,680
Speaker 6: felt like That kenyan runner that was in first place

731
00:40:36,120 --> 00:40:39,240
Speaker 6: and The american runner was. Running that's how you feel

732
00:40:39,320 --> 00:40:42,319
Speaker 6: when you get to the. Finals CAN i get to

733
00:40:42,360 --> 00:40:43,640
Speaker 6: that finish line?

734
00:40:44,480 --> 00:40:49,920
Speaker 2: First marvin last week said if he was The Buffalo,

735
00:40:49,960 --> 00:40:52,880
Speaker 2: bills he'd rather not get to the Super bowl and.

736
00:40:53,040 --> 00:40:58,840
Speaker 2: Lose he'd rather lose earlier in the. PLAYOFFS i want.

737
00:40:58,640 --> 00:41:01,960
Speaker 6: To be on the biggest, Stage, marvin because you want

738
00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:04,520
Speaker 6: To you want the world. Scene you want to compete

739
00:41:04,560 --> 00:41:08,520
Speaker 6: at the highest level against the best. Players and if

740
00:41:08,560 --> 00:41:12,320
Speaker 6: that's The World, series the Super, bowl THE Nba, finals

741
00:41:12,400 --> 00:41:16,560
Speaker 6: The Stanley, cup The, olympics for some of these runners

742
00:41:16,600 --> 00:41:20,520
Speaker 6: and track, athletes you want to compete against the. Best

743
00:41:21,760 --> 00:41:23,960
Speaker 6: and that that year we went to the finals With

744
00:41:24,040 --> 00:41:27,920
Speaker 6: Larry legend as our. Coach we felt we were the

745
00:41:27,960 --> 00:41:30,200
Speaker 6: best team in The. East we knew The lakers were

746
00:41:30,239 --> 00:41:33,520
Speaker 6: the best team in The. West we wanted that smoke

747
00:41:33,560 --> 00:41:35,200
Speaker 6: and we knew it was going to be an uphill,

748
00:41:35,239 --> 00:41:38,000
Speaker 6: battle but they hadn't won in a long, time so

749
00:41:38,040 --> 00:41:41,160
Speaker 6: both of us were coming. IN i, mean we knew

750
00:41:41,160 --> 00:41:43,200
Speaker 6: they had the, pedigree they were The, lakers but The

751
00:41:43,280 --> 00:41:47,799
Speaker 6: lakers hadn't won yet that was their first championship and

752
00:41:47,840 --> 00:41:50,720
Speaker 6: we had never, won so we felt we were on equal.

753
00:41:50,760 --> 00:41:53,560
Speaker 6: Footing so that's why we felt we had we had a.

754
00:41:53,600 --> 00:41:58,680
Speaker 2: Shot AND i like That kobe stole your, move your

755
00:41:58,719 --> 00:42:03,440
Speaker 2: step back. Jumped we had filmed.

756
00:42:04,680 --> 00:42:08,200
Speaker 6: A Real Real world, episode he AND. I we took

757
00:42:08,280 --> 00:42:11,879
Speaker 6: on The Real world cast in a game of two

758
00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:17,680
Speaker 6: on eight and before we started, filming before the other

759
00:42:17,719 --> 00:42:20,120
Speaker 6: crew showed, up we played one on One kobe AND

760
00:42:20,200 --> 00:42:24,719
Speaker 6: i And, hey show me, this show me this. Move you.

761
00:42:24,760 --> 00:42:26,560
Speaker 6: Know he was, like picking my. BRAIN i love how

762
00:42:26,600 --> 00:42:28,440
Speaker 6: you do. This you, KNOW i saw you do this AGAINST.

763
00:42:28,560 --> 00:42:32,680
Speaker 6: Mj AND i was, like being a big, Brother, hey, yeah,

764
00:42:32,760 --> 00:42:35,040
Speaker 6: yeah this is WHAT i. Did you do the step,

765
00:42:35,080 --> 00:42:37,319
Speaker 6: back be sure you create. Space and when he when

766
00:42:37,360 --> 00:42:40,319
Speaker 6: he closes one more dribble and then You're he's, like,

767
00:42:40,360 --> 00:42:45,640
Speaker 6: OKAY i got. It that fool was writing it down

768
00:42:46,560 --> 00:42:49,399
Speaker 6: and using those moves against me in the. Finals i'm,

769
00:42:49,400 --> 00:42:54,840
Speaker 6: like ain't this, Something ain't this? Something smart? Dude Smart

770
00:42:54,960 --> 00:42:59,160
Speaker 6: Kobe Rest God, REST i know you were looking down

771
00:42:59,200 --> 00:43:02,839
Speaker 6: on this interview right, now smiling and, Yeah, RANCH i got.

772
00:43:02,880 --> 00:43:07,279
Speaker 2: You thank, you reg have fun Guard.

773
00:43:07,840 --> 00:43:11,759
Speaker 6: Theaedore much love to my DAD Ds. Marvin next, year

774
00:43:11,840 --> 00:43:13,840
Speaker 6: you AND, i let's sign up for THE La, marathon,

775
00:43:13,920 --> 00:43:17,200
Speaker 6: baby and let's go eighteen miles so we can get

776
00:43:17,239 --> 00:43:19,640
Speaker 6: Our Particiapaci. MEDAL i, mean.

777
00:43:21,560 --> 00:43:25,719
Speaker 2: Let's. Go Reggie. Miller he'll be on the Call coach

778
00:43:25,800 --> 00:43:29,200
Speaker 2: To Coast, Tuesday San Antonio celtics and The Spurs City

779
00:43:29,360 --> 00:43:29,800
Speaker 2: eastern