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Speaker 5: It is Wednesday, February fourteenth, twenty twenty four, Season nineteen,
Speaker 5: episode number one hundred and twelve. Welcome to the latest
Speaker 5: edition of The Break. It is a special Valentine's edition
Speaker 5: of The Break. Brian's not here today, but got plenty
Speaker 5: of love for you guys with Patrick No C Walker
Speaker 5: and Amber Garcia. And so today we got a lot
Speaker 5: we're going to get into. We're going to talk about
Speaker 5: the defensive coordinator. Cowboys just get their new defensive coordinator.
Speaker 5: We're going to talk about the defensive coordinator in Washington,
Speaker 5: UH and the head coach there, and talk about how
Speaker 5: we think that affect us and other NFC East movings.
Speaker 5: H when you talk about some of the coaches that
Speaker 5: have been hired in Philadelphia as well.
Speaker 2: And then we'll see we will see if we'll get.
Speaker 5: To the conversation on Dak Prescott.
Speaker 2: I'm not sure it will, but it's on the rundown.
Speaker 5: So if we get to it, we get to it,
Speaker 5: and if we don't, guess what, it'll roll right over
Speaker 5: the next week, and if there's not more news next week,
Speaker 5: then we'll hit it next week.
Speaker 2: All right.
Speaker 6: At some point that pitch gets old.
Speaker 2: You know, yeah, but that's not going anywhere.
Speaker 7: No, no, no, I know, I know.
Speaker 6: But the fact that Derek mentions it every.
Speaker 2: Week, it's because marketing, right, he knows what he's doing.
Speaker 5: Man, I've been doing this a while. Keep keep them
Speaker 5: on this a while. Slow, all right, let's jump in
Speaker 5: Mike Zimmer, new defensive coordinator of the Dallas Cowboys a
Speaker 5: week press conference to.
Speaker 2: Day at two two pm Central time.
Speaker 5: All right, cool, and Amber will have a question, and
Speaker 5: I'm sure you'll have a few questions from mister Zimmer, but.
Speaker 2: Ask him Spanish right out of the gate.
Speaker 5: That would actually be pretty interesting, is like she just
Speaker 5: jumped right out the gate and just asks the question
Speaker 5: Spanish and just sits back and waits, and everybody in
Speaker 5: the room would probably just be.
Speaker 8: Like, what would be even better as if he replied
Speaker 8: in Spanish, that would be that will be all right.
Speaker 5: So we talked about this a little bit last week.
Speaker 5: Was this the right decision for the Cowboys for me?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 8: And you know, when going back to last week, when
Speaker 8: you asked us to rank the candidates that the Cowboys
Speaker 8: were interested in, I had Mike Zimmer right up there
Speaker 8: alongside Wink Martindale. Martindale obviously has now gone to be
Speaker 8: the DC of the Michigan Wolverines. Congratulations to win Martindale.
Speaker 8: But I'm right here with Mike Zimmer. I had him
Speaker 8: ranked far above Rivera and that much farther above Rex
Speaker 8: Ryan because of the lack of experience over the past
Speaker 8: seven or eight years with Ryan, with Ryan being in
Speaker 8: the broadcast booth versus being on an NFL sideline. Also
Speaker 8: of the fact that Zimmer versus Ryan Ryan was more
Speaker 8: of an AFC coach. Zimmer comes in as an NFC coach,
Speaker 8: knows how to navigate it. I get your point, Derek.
Speaker 8: There's been some turnover obviously in the NFC, but the
Speaker 8: conference is still the conference and he's familiar with it,
Speaker 8: and I feel like he's going to come in and
Speaker 8: I spoke last week also about the culture shock that's
Speaker 8: probably gonna happen. I think it'll be a positive for
Speaker 8: this Cowboys locker room, going from Dan Quinn, who's a
Speaker 8: players coach. Obviously we love dan Quinn, but when you
Speaker 8: look at Zimmer, he's more of that old school ball coach,
Speaker 8: tough nose, holding guys accountable. I think this is the
Speaker 8: right time and the right personality for this Cowboys defense.
Speaker 8: Did you say tough nose, tough nose, hard nose, you know,
Speaker 8: tough hard synonyms?
Speaker 6: Was the writer here?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know that's what I'm messing with.
Speaker 6: The writer supposedly.
Speaker 8: Oh did you say supposedly or supposedly, because that's gonna
Speaker 8: be a fun right either way.
Speaker 2: That's not there's no supposedly.
Speaker 7: And this is in reference to the game we played
Speaker 7: weeks ago.
Speaker 2: I just want to make sure you didn't say supposedly,
Speaker 2: because then we.
Speaker 5: Gotta okay, man, you got to come with it on
Speaker 5: this shows nothing.
Speaker 6: You guys attack me. I attacked that.
Speaker 2: Let's just call this.
Speaker 7: I play defense and this guy, Mike Zimmer. I think
Speaker 7: he was my top candidatey. I think he brings the
Speaker 7: balance of the two things that I was looking for one,
Speaker 7: having somebody from the outside, the outside experience, but also
Speaker 7: an insider experience because he spent so many years here
Speaker 7: with the Cowboys. Again, very very different times. There's like
Speaker 7: not many people probably that are still working here from
Speaker 7: the time he was here, you know the other yeah
Speaker 7: you oh man, No, there's a lot of staff members still,
Speaker 7: but there's been a huge turn, not a lot. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 7: that's what I'm trying to say. And obviously very very
Speaker 7: different players, uh, different build then back then he was
Speaker 7: Vallei Wrench.
Speaker 6: So yeah, so it's.
Speaker 7: A whole new different environment, but that he's not necessarily
Speaker 7: a stranger too completely, so that's good. He brings the experience,
Speaker 7: he brings that toughness that we talked about, but also
Speaker 7: talking to different people around the building because initially my
Speaker 7: first impression just from things that I've heard initially was
Speaker 7: that he was just like one.
Speaker 6: Of those mean guys. But he has like a.
Speaker 7: Combination of both things where he's actually what I hear,
Speaker 7: he's actually a pretty nice guy, but he will bring
Speaker 7: the toughness that is needed when it's needed.
Speaker 6: So it has that balance as well there that I like.
Speaker 7: And yeah, just looking forward, looking forward to what this
Speaker 7: is gonna actually look like and translate to when he
Speaker 7: steps in here and starts coaching.
Speaker 5: Yeah, he reminds me of I guess the best way
Speaker 5: to put it is, you know what old school, like,
Speaker 5: my old high school code was like like the kind
Speaker 5: of guy that you knew he cared about you, but
Speaker 5: he also could pull out the paddle and uh and.
Speaker 2: Make sure they.
Speaker 5: Don't know this is a different error. Y'all don't know
Speaker 5: about that. Yeah, Like it was. The principal when I
Speaker 5: was in school was the person that basically regulated the school.
Speaker 5: And I'm sorry, not the principal, the coach, football coach
Speaker 5: if you played football, then your teachers, if you weren't
Speaker 5: doing what you're supposed to do in class, they didn't
Speaker 5: go to the principal, They didn't go to counselors. They
Speaker 5: went to the coach and they said, hey, coach, this
Speaker 5: student isn't doing what they're supposed to do.
Speaker 2: And the coach would literally.
Speaker 5: Come and you would see him kind of peaking your
Speaker 5: class and be like I need this student for a minute,
Speaker 5: and then you're gonna go see the coach. Yeah, you're
Speaker 5: gonna go see the coach, and the coach is going
Speaker 5: to take care of that. And it might be paddling,
Speaker 5: it might be you're gonna run.
Speaker 6: Do some extra work to you.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah.
Speaker 5: And and guess back in those days, not only did
Speaker 5: coach paddle you, then coach would call.
Speaker 2: Your mama and then you go home and then mom
Speaker 2: would take care of you too, or daddy would take
Speaker 2: whatever it was. Man, it was just it was a
Speaker 2: different world.
Speaker 5: My point is, I'm not thinking he's going to be
Speaker 5: pulling out the paddle around here. But my point is
Speaker 5: I would characterize Mike Zimmer as the kind of guy
Speaker 5: that is hard but fear And I heard somebody say
Speaker 5: that was.
Speaker 2: A quote that that Parcels gave about him.
Speaker 5: He's a hard coach, so he's gonna coach you hard,
Speaker 5: but he's gonna be fair. And I think the players
Speaker 5: will respect him, and I think the players will know
Speaker 5: that he has their best interests at heart. But he's
Speaker 5: not gonna let things slide. He's gonna hold them accountable
Speaker 5: to the things that he's asking them to do. He's
Speaker 5: gonna explain it well. He's gonna hold him accountable to
Speaker 5: doing those jobs really well. And I think that's something
Speaker 5: that this defense can use.
Speaker 7: And I think that that's what I'm hoping will help
Speaker 7: take care of those penalties. And we've talked about it before,
Speaker 7: were my issue there, and I know it's difficult because sometimes, Okay,
Speaker 7: who else do you got that you're going to decide
Speaker 7: to sit someone out or whatever, But it's like, what
Speaker 7: does that look like during the week as well, what
Speaker 7: kind of discipline or something that you're trying to do
Speaker 7: to make a change. And it wasn't reflected throughout the season.
Speaker 7: So that's an I expect where someone like him, I'm
Speaker 7: hoping would not let things like that slide all a
Speaker 7: full season.
Speaker 8: Now I can pretty much attest to the fact that
Speaker 8: just in speaking with some people who covered the beating
Speaker 8: in Minnesota, who covered the beat continuingly in Minnesota in
Speaker 8: the Mike zimmer era, and some of the players that
Speaker 8: played under him penalties for example, going back to what
Speaker 8: I said as far as holding guys accountable, if you're
Speaker 8: not making those corrections on a weekly basis, and you're
Speaker 8: consistently costing the team and the defensive unit drives that
Speaker 8: they should have gotten off the field on third down,
Speaker 8: but now they're still on the field, you're going to
Speaker 8: lose snaps under Mike Zimmer, He's going to sit you
Speaker 8: down until you get the point. And that's again, that's
Speaker 8: exactly what the Cowboys need because if you look at
Speaker 8: last season, you lead the league in penalties. They were
Speaker 8: one of the team one of the league leaders in
Speaker 8: penalties season before. So again, love with dan Quinn brought
Speaker 8: to the equation. But when you talk about Zimmer, you're
Speaker 8: talking about a coach who is and I love the
Speaker 8: fact that you use the word respe He is so
Speaker 8: well respected because his resume is stellar. He comes in
Speaker 8: with the Super Bowl ring and by the way, there's
Speaker 8: a Cowboys star on that Super Bowl ring. He's coached
Speaker 8: Hall of Famers, Ring of Honor guys. So there's the
Speaker 8: respect that comes with the ability for him to come
Speaker 8: in and say, I don't really care how much you're
Speaker 8: getting paid, I don't really care what the name on
Speaker 8: your jersey is. If you continue with these self inflicted
Speaker 8: wounds and these you know, these penalties, neutral zone infractions
Speaker 8: and things like that, you're not going to be on
Speaker 8: my field.
Speaker 2: And there are big name.
Speaker 8: Guys who have played under Zimmer who can attest to
Speaker 8: that and say, you know what, until I got my
Speaker 8: act together, he would sit me no, and I'm sitting
Speaker 8: here thinking, hey, I'm you know, the big dog in
Speaker 8: the locker room. Big dog versus Mike Zimmer. Mike Zimmer
Speaker 8: wins that. And that's why, for the most part, you
Speaker 8: will hear a lot of players that loved playing under him,
Speaker 8: But there's just as many players who also love playing
Speaker 8: under him, who will look you in the face and say, hey,
Speaker 8: I remember a time he came to me and basically intimated,
Speaker 8: I don't care who you are. If you don't get
Speaker 8: this corrected, you're not going to be on this field.
Speaker 8: So when it comes to a accountability plus respect, he
Speaker 8: gets both of those things. And I think again, I'll
Speaker 8: say it again, Cowboys defense needs this right now.
Speaker 2: Let's take our first break.
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Speaker 5: do you think that there can be issues and what
Speaker 5: do those issues look like in that type of coach
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Speaker 5: look at the world. I talked about what it was
Speaker 5: like when I was in school. That ain't what these
Speaker 5: kids are going through now. It's a different world. I
Speaker 5: want to talk about what you think that could look
Speaker 5: like here and if you think that could be an
Speaker 5: issue for the Cowboys. Do that when we come back Dallas,
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Speaker 5: about this Mike, Mike. Let's talk about Mike Zimmer, new
Speaker 5: defensive coordinator of the Cowboys. From the standpoint of we
Speaker 5: talked about how tough he'll be. We talked about how
Speaker 5: he'll hold people accountable. My question for you is, is
Speaker 5: his style do you think his style can be a
Speaker 5: problem for the Cowboys? Knowing that today's players very different
Speaker 5: than the players he may have coached in the past,
Speaker 5: certainly back when he was here with the Cowboys. The
Speaker 5: player of today they go through a different world where
Speaker 5: there's a lot more thought for, you know, how they're
Speaker 5: feeling and worried about their feelings a lot more than
Speaker 5: what it was when.
Speaker 2: Maybe he was coaching here before.
Speaker 5: Now, let's not act like when he was coaching in Minnesota,
Speaker 5: players were a lot different than they are. So he's
Speaker 5: had some experience there. But I think players every year
Speaker 5: get a little bit more different, you know what I
Speaker 5: mean by that? And so what do you think could
Speaker 5: be the algies here?
Speaker 2: What do you think?
Speaker 7: Well, there are a lot of different layers and aspects
Speaker 7: to this. I would say one thing is I like
Speaker 7: the balance And Derek, you brought this up. I believe
Speaker 7: it was last week where you talked about Mike McCarthy
Speaker 7: and in the way and we've seen it, the way
Speaker 7: that he's catered to the players and their mental health
Speaker 7: and just kind of making sure that they're good internally.
Speaker 7: And I think Mike McCarthy with the combination of him,
Speaker 7: could be a good balance where you just kind of
Speaker 7: everybody keeps each other kind of in check.
Speaker 6: Hey, come down or you you know.
Speaker 7: But at the same time, I do agree in today's society,
Speaker 7: feelings do get hurt a lot more. We take things
Speaker 7: a lot differently now, and players and people in general
Speaker 7: have a lot more pride, and you're like, no, you're
Speaker 7: not going to talk to me that way. But at
Speaker 7: the same time, when you're competing and playing and in
Speaker 7: this business, in this sports, for you to have that
Speaker 7: kind of demeanor too and stand up for yourself in
Speaker 7: that way, your work has to back it up too,
Speaker 7: you know, when you're and I'm saying, when you're surrounded
Speaker 7: in front of other players, like there's a reason certain
Speaker 7: things were accepted from certain certain players throughout history, just
Speaker 7: because their work was spoke for themselves, right, And you're like, okay, well,
Speaker 7: so I don't know. It's just a very tough balance.
Speaker 7: I think it would be, okay. And my concern would
Speaker 7: be if the players end up not respecting him and
Speaker 7: lose respect.
Speaker 6: And then now people are.
Speaker 7: Venting on Twitter and we know certain people like to Yeah,
Speaker 7: people like to take things to Twitter and start commenting
Speaker 7: and airing things out, and then that causes drama. The
Speaker 7: media is fitting into it, and now you just have
Speaker 7: this whole division and drama in the throughout the season.
Speaker 7: That's a huge problem. But given the stakes, given the scenarios,
Speaker 7: given the way and the embarres man that the season ended,
Speaker 7: I would be embarrassed to as a player to where
Speaker 7: you just keep your head down and do the work
Speaker 7: and do the grind, and there's no reason, like, we're
Speaker 7: all in this together, we're fighting for the same goal.
Speaker 7: There's no reason for anybody to kind of be be
Speaker 7: be you know what I'm trying to say, So just
Speaker 7: do the work, do the work, and hopefully everyone can
Speaker 7: just come together and not create any drama.
Speaker 8: So anyone who follows me knows I am a massive
Speaker 8: advocate for mental health, and I will say that in
Speaker 8: conjunction with I'm a competitor myself, and I've played, you know,
Speaker 8: all all types of major sports, so I understand there
Speaker 8: has to be the balance of respecting who you're talking to.
Speaker 8: Especially these are adults. These are not college these kids,
Speaker 8: these are not high school kids. These are adults who
Speaker 8: are being paid millions and millions of dollars. But in
Speaker 8: saying that, that means that the adult who's being paid
Speaker 8: millions of millions of dollars also had to have the
Speaker 8: respect that this feedback is coming from a good place,
Speaker 8: and you have to be able to understand that, because,
Speaker 8: like you said, Ambar, if you can have your feelings,
Speaker 8: which is completely you're entitled to your feelings, You're entitled
Speaker 8: to voice those feelings one hundred percent, but you also
Speaker 8: have to understand the context of where the feedback is coming.
Speaker 8: So if you're not playing up to par and you're
Speaker 8: getting this feedback, you need to be more receptive of
Speaker 8: why you're getting the feedback.
Speaker 2: It's because you're not playing up to par.
Speaker 8: So sometimes you know, as much as we need to
Speaker 8: make sure that we're walking the line and respecting everyone's
Speaker 8: mental health, sometimes tough love is just needed. Sometimes you
Speaker 8: have to look someone in the face, be to you know,
Speaker 8: your mom, your dad, your cousin, your brother, your sister,
Speaker 8: and say I love you to death, but you are
Speaker 8: really really messing up here. Let's sit down and let's
Speaker 8: talk about what we can do to get better. And
Speaker 8: you also have to be receptive of that. So when
Speaker 8: it comes to Zimmer, I think he'll have a good
Speaker 8: balance to that, because, like you said, it's not that
Speaker 8: he's been out of the league since the nineties. He
Speaker 8: recently coached the Minnesota Viking, so he's not too far
Speaker 8: removed from this.
Speaker 2: Brand of NFL player.
Speaker 8: But going to the McCarthy aspect as well, I think
Speaker 8: it'll be a nice balance of good cop bad cop.
Speaker 8: And I kind of hesitate to put a good cop
Speaker 8: on McCarthy because that's an Irish guy from Pittsburgh. He
Speaker 8: can get bad cop, but I think Zimmer can get
Speaker 8: good cop as well. I think they'll play very well
Speaker 8: alongside each other. I think it's yin and yanging. On
Speaker 8: any given moment, it might be McCarthy tearing into somebody
Speaker 8: and then Zimmer comes behind him and says, well, this
Speaker 8: is what coach was trying to say, and vice versa.
Speaker 8: Sometimes it'll be Zimmer saying, what the blank are you
Speaker 8: doing out there, and then McArthur come behind him and say,
Speaker 8: this is what he's trying to say. I think those
Speaker 8: two guys, and especially with the accomplishments and the resume
Speaker 8: that they have, I think you have to respect as
Speaker 8: an NFL player, and especially as a Cowboys defensive player
Speaker 8: who is coming off of a performance that you came
Speaker 8: off of against the Green Bay Packers. You're not entirely
Speaker 8: in a position to say that you don't like the feedback.
Speaker 8: You need to take the feedback and then try to
Speaker 8: grow from it. So I think it'll work out well.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 5: I think the interesting thing here is I think for
Speaker 5: any coach, I think the real difference to me and
Speaker 5: this is based on like the And obviously I know
Speaker 5: football players are very different than creatives, but I managed creatives.
Speaker 5: And one of the things I've learned over time with
Speaker 5: how you deal with creative versus how we dealt with
Speaker 5: them back in the day is relationships matter. The more
Speaker 5: you spend time with people, the more you get to
Speaker 5: know them, the.
Speaker 2: Easier it is.
Speaker 5: And it's never going to be easy, but it easier
Speaker 5: it is to be able to give hard feedback. And
Speaker 5: unless you have the relationship, people don't hear you as much.
Speaker 5: In today's WAFT, the young folks, they don't listen as
Speaker 5: well to you if you don't have the relationship, and
Speaker 5: you're just always coming down on me. And I think that's
Speaker 5: the key here, Like I don't think. I don't think
Speaker 5: Zimmer's the kind of guy that's just going to be
Speaker 5: demeaning players to do young players. I think it's about accountability.
Speaker 5: And so if the player knows coach just told me
Speaker 5: yesterday I needed to do X, Y and Z, and
Speaker 5: the end of the day in practice, I'm not doing X,
Speaker 5: Y and Z, and he just went off, I think
Speaker 5: they can accept the fact that exactly this is accountability
Speaker 5: at work, Like this is a situation where I'm not
Speaker 5: doing exactly what he told me he needed me to do,
Speaker 5: and I'm getting a wrath of that right now. So
Speaker 5: I think as long as it's as long as it's
Speaker 5: built around true accountability and not just demeaning to be
Speaker 5: to be demeaning. And again, I do think relationships matter.
Speaker 5: I think his ability to be able to get to
Speaker 5: know as players and develop that relationship to where they
Speaker 5: do respect him in a way they respect him as
Speaker 5: a man first before a coach, right, I think when
Speaker 5: that happens, I think that's a way that he will
Speaker 5: probably deal better. And I think all coaches, anybody that's
Speaker 5: in a leadership position, has to deal with younger people because,
Speaker 5: as you said, you know now parents ask their kids
Speaker 5: how they grow up in an environment where the parents
Speaker 5: ask them, So tell me how you're feeling. A lot
Speaker 5: of kids in my generation didn't get that. It was like,
Speaker 5: do what I said, and that's it. I don't care
Speaker 5: how you feel about it.
Speaker 2: So it just changed. The world has changed, and so
Speaker 2: you have to be aware of that. And I think
Speaker 2: you have to approach people in that way.
Speaker 6: There's a fine line.
Speaker 7: And this is just something that popped into my head
Speaker 7: right now that I find an interesting concept. For example,
Speaker 7: dan Quinn, he's and I love dyn Quinn. He's a
Speaker 7: player's coach. He's super like down there to their level,
Speaker 7: goes down and is next to them doing things, going
Speaker 7: through drills or things like that.
Speaker 6: We know that, but maybe a.
Speaker 7: Different guy like Zimmer brings a different aspect. To let
Speaker 7: me try to illustrate this for as an example, and
Speaker 7: I would assume this has happened to a lot of
Speaker 7: other people too, But for example me, I love kids.
Speaker 7: I will be with every single kid that I see
Speaker 7: and I'll be playing and I like lower myself to
Speaker 7: their levels and we become buddies. And there are times
Speaker 7: that they cross the line. I'm like whoa, wha, Hold on,
Speaker 7: hold on, we're not we're not on the same level.
Speaker 7: Hold I'm back cup a second little kid exactly. Or
Speaker 7: another scenario. There was one time I had a trainer
Speaker 7: that he was too friendly with me. We became's buddy
Speaker 7: and like I didn't, I'm like, no, I'm done with
Speaker 7: the reps. Like I did, I took him more as like, Okay,
Speaker 7: we're too buddy. But you need someone that has that
Speaker 7: kind of toughness sometimes. So what I'm trying to say
Speaker 7: is interesting to think about the balance between those relationships,
Speaker 7: because although you do want someone that can connect to
Speaker 7: you and be that guy in that closeness, you do
Speaker 7: need that kind of like straight I think that.
Speaker 2: The best way to illustrate it.
Speaker 8: What popped in my head is it's the stern dad
Speaker 8: versus the fun uncle, right, And it feels like Dan Quinn,
Speaker 8: as much as we love him, it was more the
Speaker 8: fun uncle's. It's the one that when you're you know,
Speaker 8: you're a kid, and the fun uncle comes over and
Speaker 8: you have so much respect for him because he's your uncle, right,
Speaker 8: But it's more of the fun personal conversations.
Speaker 2: Kind of go out of the way.
Speaker 8: It's like oh, uncle's here, right, But you also know
Speaker 8: that at a certain Pointunk's going to check you. But
Speaker 8: there's a lot more leeway as far as the fund
Speaker 8: is concerned. And that's why dan Quinn is such a
Speaker 8: player's coach, whereas Zimmer it's the stern dad. Not to
Speaker 8: say that stern necessarily means bad, but stern in that
Speaker 8: I'm going to give you these instructions. I need you
Speaker 8: to follow these instructions, and if you don't follow these instructions,
Speaker 8: we need to have a conversation about why these instructions
Speaker 8: weren't followed. And it's more so that spect So I
Speaker 8: really think that the fun uncle has left the building,
Speaker 8: the stern dad is coming in, and that's what this
Speaker 8: locker room kind of needs to get used to.
Speaker 5: The one thing I do want to clarify, though, is
Speaker 5: I don't necessarily want to characterize dan Quinn as someone
Speaker 5: that didn't hold play.
Speaker 2: That's what we That's what I keep saying.
Speaker 5: I think we need to make that clear because I
Speaker 5: think I think he can easily he could easily put
Speaker 5: it into either you are or you aren't.
Speaker 2: Like I think it's just a different way that he
Speaker 2: did it.
Speaker 5: I think Zimmer's way is, as you said, a lot,
Speaker 5: a lot more stern, or at least what I've seen, right,
Speaker 5: and what players who have played for him have told me, like,
Speaker 5: he's just done much more to the point, very direct,
Speaker 5: very stern, here's what I need you to do, and
Speaker 5: then holding players accountable to that and may not have
Speaker 5: a lot of more of the touchy feely kind of
Speaker 5: stuff in his repertoire school.
Speaker 7: And then Quinn he's he's older too, but he is
Speaker 7: more in with the new type of stuff.
Speaker 2: Think about it.
Speaker 8: So from the fund, if we keep with the fun
Speaker 8: the fun uncle analogy, right, So let's say it's the
Speaker 8: fun uncle that you respect, and that uncle comes in
Speaker 8: and you haven't made your bed and he hears, you know,
Speaker 8: the parent kind of yelling at you to go make
Speaker 8: your bet and you haven't, and he kind of pulls
Speaker 8: you aside and says, hey, Derek, come.
Speaker 2: On now, yeah, you know you're supposed to make that.
Speaker 2: Go ahead and knock that out. Make it easier on yourself.
Speaker 8: Go ahead, knock that out. So we go outside and play, right.
Speaker 8: Whereas Mike Zimmer, he would come in as the stern
Speaker 8: day and why is this bed not made? So it's
Speaker 8: it's just those two different types of dynamics both held
Speaker 8: you accountable, but in two different ways.
Speaker 5: And the interesting part about that is some kids respond
Speaker 5: well to the stern dad and some the fun uncle,
Speaker 5: and some don't respond to the dad, or some don't
Speaker 5: respond to the fun uncle. That's the key when you're
Speaker 5: coaching or leading. You got to figure out what works
Speaker 5: for every person, and you got to give them what
Speaker 5: actually motivates them. So my hope is that for whether
Speaker 5: it's it's Mike Zimmer or whether it's McCarthy, they are
Speaker 5: tailoring their style of leadership to each and every player
Speaker 5: that they have to deal with, because every player is
Speaker 5: going to respond differently, and all you're trying to do
Speaker 5: at the end of the day is get the best
Speaker 5: out of the player. So you better figure it out.
Speaker 5: You better figure out what really mo tovase them. Some
Speaker 5: people they will cower when you go at them hard.
Speaker 5: Other people take that as a challenge and they're like, okay,
Speaker 5: let's go right. So it's like, you got to figure
Speaker 5: out what it is that really motivates the players and
Speaker 5: then give them what really motivates.
Speaker 8: I mean, like you said, that's what that's a huge
Speaker 8: part of coaching at every level, whether it be Pop Warner,
Speaker 8: high school, college you know D one, D two, or
Speaker 8: if you're at the NFL. If you're a coaching you
Speaker 8: know groups of individuals. You need to understand. It's not
Speaker 8: indifferent from teaching. If you're a teacher, you have to
Speaker 8: teach to each individual's personality, but you also have to
Speaker 8: have this overarching message that basically is in line with
Speaker 8: every single person you approach, because otherwise you run the
Speaker 8: danger of Okay, well, I always more stern with Derek
Speaker 8: than Ambar. But then Derek comes to me and says,
Speaker 8: why do you always come at me like this? But
Speaker 8: you don't go with Ambar. So that's the respect aspect
Speaker 8: of it. And so that just goes to coaching. Either
Speaker 8: you're really good at that as a coach, and if
Speaker 8: you are, then you're at this level, and if you're not,
Speaker 8: then you shouldn't be at this level. But Zimmer has
Speaker 8: proven time and again that he's able to coach the
Speaker 8: old school way, but by way of the nineties with
Speaker 8: the Cowboys and the personalities on his defense that he
Speaker 8: got some personalities, but he's also shown that he can
Speaker 8: coach the new age NFL player by way of the
Speaker 8: Minnesota Viking. So I think, you know, he comes in
Speaker 8: with enough breath of experience and that to make sure
Speaker 8: that he marries quickly to this this locker room.
Speaker 2: That's funny.
Speaker 5: Think about the difference between a Charles Haley and Michael
Speaker 5: Parson's right, from a personality standpoint, very very different people.
Speaker 6: But that's social media.
Speaker 5: Yeah right, jesus, I'm glad they didn't have social media
Speaker 5: back there. That would have been a tough situation. All
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Speaker 5: been here and some coaches that have coached well against
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Speaker 2: Welcome back. It is the final segment of the Break.
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Speaker 5: We're talking about coaches, and I want to extend the
Speaker 5: conversation we've talked about the Cowboys new defensive coordinator, Mike Zimmer.
Speaker 5: I want to extend that conversation now to talk about
Speaker 5: some other coaching hires around the end of ceast and
Speaker 5: how we think these hires may affect the Cowboys. Let's
Speaker 5: start first in Washington. Obviously, they hired Dan Quinn as
Speaker 5: their head coach, but they also pick up Joe wid Junior,
Speaker 5: who was here last year as their defensive coordinator. How
Speaker 5: much do you think that move or those moves affect
Speaker 5: the Cowboys with now their defensive coordinator being the head
Speaker 5: coach there and one of their defensive coach his assistant
Speaker 5: coaches now being their defensive coordinator.
Speaker 8: Well, we already know that the battles between the Commanders
Speaker 8: and the Cowboys are always heightened because there's so much familiarity,
Speaker 8: and I mean a lot of times they either go
Speaker 8: down to the wire or they're just wildly unpredictable. Either
Speaker 8: the Cowboys are blowing them out or they're blowing the
Speaker 8: Cowboys out, and whatever the case may be. Now you
Speaker 8: throw into the mix a guy like Dan Quinn who
Speaker 8: knows your offense inside out. Joe Witt knows your offense
Speaker 8: inside out, and both of those guys also know both
Speaker 8: the strengths and the opportunities for improvement of all of
Speaker 8: your defensive guys, including your star guys like Micah and whatnot.
Speaker 8: So of course when you look at dan Quinn, he's
Speaker 8: going to be, you know, feeding his offense all kind
Speaker 8: of intel on Well, this is how you attack Michael Parsons,
Speaker 8: this is how you try to attack the Marcus Lawrence,
Speaker 8: this is how you target to Ron Bland, things like that.
Speaker 8: So I think that for the Commanders it's a huge,
Speaker 8: huge level up because they basically poached one of the
Speaker 8: biggest guys from the Cowboys, and then that guy poached
Speaker 8: one of the other biggest guys from the Cowboys on
Speaker 8: the defensive side of the ball. So thank goodness, the
Speaker 8: Cowboys blocked the interview for Al Harris. Otherwise we'd have
Speaker 8: that to contend with as well. But you know, if
Speaker 8: you if you don't think not going with if you
Speaker 8: don't think right. But I will say to everyone listening,
Speaker 8: and I tweeted this as well, I saw Al Harris
Speaker 8: doing some work today. So Zimmer's in the building and
Speaker 8: Al Harris is not only still here, but he's working.
Speaker 8: So that's a good sign. Keep your fingers crossed. But
Speaker 8: I think it'd be disingenuous to pretend that you know
Speaker 8: the Commander's poaching. Dan Quinn is not going to have
Speaker 8: any impact. It's fun as a fan to say, oh, well,
Speaker 8: it doesn't matter. As an analyst, it one hundred matters.
Speaker 8: Like these contests are going to be that much more
Speaker 8: intense going forward.
Speaker 6: Yeah, for sure. And I mean they already have been.
Speaker 7: Even though the commanders haven't been doing very well, it's still,
Speaker 7: like you mentioned, every time they face each other, it's
Speaker 7: still a competitive game and you never know exactly what
Speaker 7: to expect. And I agree dan Quinn. I mean he
Speaker 7: has a lot of insider information. He knows everything, He
Speaker 7: knows everybody's and weaknesses over here, So that's gonna be interesting,
Speaker 7: but at least I feel like outside those games, those
Speaker 7: two games against the Cowboys, overall, I think it's gonna
Speaker 7: it's it's a year of like rebuilding for the Commanders,
Speaker 7: So I don't expect them overall to be extremely successful.
Speaker 7: I say this, and you never know what happens.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that QB you get.
Speaker 7: You never know what can happen. It can definitely happen,
Speaker 7: you can there can be a lot of surprises. But
Speaker 7: as of right now, I just see it as a
Speaker 7: rebuild year for them, just piecing finding all the pieces,
Speaker 7: piecing it together and building for the future. So in general,
Speaker 7: not concerned, but with the Cowboys definitely those two matches
Speaker 7: are something to watch now.
Speaker 8: Also, this just kind of on the other side of
Speaker 8: the Coin that I mentioned. Yeah, there's there's Coin and
Speaker 8: Wit and they know the Cowboys offense, but that means
Speaker 8: McCarthy and Schottenheimer. They know Dan Quinn and Joe Witch
Speaker 8: defense and what their tendencies are, what they like to run,
Speaker 8: so that that pendulum swings both ways. So while it
Speaker 8: will work against the Cowboys and you know of the
Speaker 8: Commanders with Quinn and Wit knowing what the tendencies are,
Speaker 8: also means that McCarthy knows what dan quinn is likely
Speaker 8: to call it in any given situation, how to attack
Speaker 8: his defense.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Quite Frankly, I think it probably if you want to
Speaker 5: use the word compromise, I think that's a bit of
Speaker 5: a strong word. But if you want to use that word,
Speaker 5: it compromises the Cowboys offense far more than the defense
Speaker 5: in my opinion. I know you mentioned earlier he knows
Speaker 5: their defensive players, but I do think scheme matters, and
Speaker 5: I think they'll probably be doing a lot of things
Speaker 5: differently defensively that may accentuate some positives and affect some
Speaker 5: of the things that dan Quinn could or Joe Wood
Speaker 5: could say, well, this is how you get Darron Bland. Well,
Speaker 5: I would think the defensive coordinator at this point would
Speaker 5: look at it and say, Okay, I know these are
Speaker 5: some challenges of this player. How does my scheme put
Speaker 5: them in a better position. So I think, actually, if
Speaker 5: you want to say one of them may be compromised more,
Speaker 5: it may be. You know, what we know is this
Speaker 5: is what they do on their offense. Here's how you
Speaker 5: can affect Dak Prescott. Here's how you can affect their
Speaker 5: right tackle. Here's you know what I'm saying, because they've
Speaker 5: been you know, self scouting. They have that kind of information,
Speaker 5: and that's where I think it's gonna be a little
Speaker 5: bit harder. It'll be harder on the Dallas offense, I
Speaker 5: think than the Dallas defense because the Dallas defense will
Speaker 5: probably change so much with.
Speaker 2: A new coordinator.
Speaker 8: But also going to Ambar's point, and you make a
Speaker 8: fair point as far as it compromising the Cowboys offense,
Speaker 8: but it is a rebuild for the Commanders and their
Speaker 8: defensive line. I mean, you have the two big boys
Speaker 8: up front of the interior and pain and Island. They
Speaker 8: got a pass rush, but you don't have any edge rushers.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 8: Your secondary is more or less in shamboos. Your linebacker
Speaker 8: corps is quite right. So as much as dan Quinn
Speaker 8: has the person not the personnel, but has the scheme
Speaker 8: to kind of compromise the Cowboys offense, the Cowboys offense
Speaker 8: has the firepower to compromise a being basically a revamped
Speaker 8: personnel on the Commander's side of the ball defensively, So
Speaker 8: ultimately it might all just be a wash and it
Speaker 8: might just come down to execution. Who has the better
Speaker 8: players and right now it's the Cowboys and Ken McCarthy
Speaker 8: not be out schemed by dan quinn.
Speaker 2: So I mean, for us looking at.
Speaker 8: It, it's probably just going to feel like a training
Speaker 8: camp battle, right is dan quinn's play calling versus Mike
Speaker 8: McCarthy's play calling.
Speaker 2: And we saw that all July and August. So let's
Speaker 2: flip to the Philadelphia Eagles.
Speaker 5: They have two new coordinators that both are interesting from
Speaker 5: the standpoint of the Cowboys their offense. New offensive coordinator,
Speaker 5: Kelvin Moore obviously was here with the Cowboys for years
Speaker 5: as the offensive coordinator. Here Vic Fangio, is there a
Speaker 5: new defensive coordinator, a guy that is I think I
Speaker 5: think some of the talk around Fangio has been a
Speaker 5: little bit overblown. I do think obviously when he was
Speaker 5: in Denver that game the Cowboys played against the Broncos,
Speaker 5: he certainly had the better of the Cowboys offense.
Speaker 2: I don't think I agree with that.
Speaker 5: Last year against Miami, I think I don't think that
Speaker 5: the Miami defense necessarily shut down the Cowboys offense.
Speaker 2: I thought it was a close game.
Speaker 5: I thought both teams had a little success and had
Speaker 5: some issues where you know it didn't quite work out,
Speaker 5: But I don't think it was a domination, where I too,
Speaker 5: that's what it is.
Speaker 2: Yeah, would't think that was a domination.
Speaker 5: But that all being said, looking at those two guys,
Speaker 5: which of those you think could be most problematic for
Speaker 5: the Cowboys Kelvin Moore's offensive coordinator or Vick Fango as
Speaker 5: a defensive coordinator.
Speaker 2: That's a good question.
Speaker 8: It would be easy to say Keller Moore because you
Speaker 8: know familiarity, right, But what Kellen Moore is not familiar
Speaker 8: with is Mike Zimmer. So advantage Cowboys there because it's
Speaker 8: not Kella Moore going against dan Quinn. And even when
Speaker 8: it was killing Moore going against dan Quyn and Los Angeles,
Speaker 8: dan Quinn and the Cowboys came out with the w so,
Speaker 8: but like I said, he doesn't he being Kella Moore,
Speaker 8: he doesn't know Mike Zimmer's scheme and what he's going
Speaker 8: to call. So I'm going to look at Vic Fangio
Speaker 8: in this aspect because Fangio has had some consistent success
Speaker 8: in kind of bodiling up.
Speaker 2: Dak Prescott and what Dak likes to do.
Speaker 8: So I think that while like you said, it wasn't
Speaker 8: you know, Fangio with the Dolphins. It wasn't this, It
Speaker 8: wasn't Steve Spagnolo down there type performance type thing. But
Speaker 8: he's one of the better and more respective defensive minds
Speaker 8: in the league going to your division, one of your
Speaker 8: bitter divisional So I think it's going to be a
Speaker 8: bigger challenge for Dak to get over the Fangio quote
Speaker 8: unquote hump. If that's how you want to label it,
Speaker 8: then it would be for Mike Zimber to sche or
Speaker 8: out scheme Kellen Moore, who at times struggled in Los
Speaker 8: Angeles as well, because keep in mind, if Kellen Moore
Speaker 8: was so electric in Los Angeles, he's still be in
Speaker 8: Los Angeles as opposed to one and done. So I'm
Speaker 8: going to look at evangel and versus Dak Prescott, and
Speaker 8: I think this is one of the few defensive coordinators
Speaker 8: that Dak Prescott consistently kind of struggles to be explosive against.
Speaker 8: So if you can figure that out, then the Eagles
Speaker 8: will be less of a problem.
Speaker 2: But they're going to be a problem.
Speaker 8: Yeah.
Speaker 7: To me, they're kind of equal in a little bit
Speaker 7: regarding your question. But Vangeol, He's like, I'm more impressed
Speaker 7: with what the Dolphins were able to do at the
Speaker 7: end of the day, the season they had, So I
Speaker 7: got to take that kind of experiences. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 7: So I'm taking just that experience, his most recent experience
Speaker 7: and the level of success that he had to that
Speaker 7: being a little bit higher than what Kellen Moore brings
Speaker 7: to the table right now.
Speaker 5: Yeah, the interesting part for me is I actually think
Speaker 5: Fangio had that defense playing really well. I think they'll
Speaker 5: correct some of their personnel issues in the secondary, but
Speaker 5: the fact that he has that pass rush and he
Speaker 5: has some horses up front, and I think the thing
Speaker 5: that Fangio does really well is he knows how to
Speaker 5: get pressure. And I think because he had now there's
Speaker 5: some I know, I thought you about to go there
Speaker 5: with the there is a possibility that somebody might be
Speaker 5: a little disgruntled and might not be back. But that
Speaker 5: all being said, let's assume they have all the personnel
Speaker 5: that they have right now. If they have the personnel
Speaker 5: they have right now, that defense will be scary. They
Speaker 5: will have a pass rush and it will be difficult.
Speaker 5: The more interesting part is the offense for me, because
Speaker 5: people can can try to you know, I think a
Speaker 5: lot of Cowboys fans look at Kellen Moore in a.
Speaker 2: Way that he shouldn't be viewed.
Speaker 5: I think they look at him as lesser than what
Speaker 5: he was. He had some really good offenses here with Dallas.
Speaker 5: He cast some really good offense and they I mean
Speaker 5: they were talking. Yeah, they were up at the top
Speaker 5: of the league in offense. And don't get me wrong,
Speaker 5: yes they had challenges against some opponents. They'd have some
Speaker 5: challenges sometimes in the playoffs. All those things are true,
Speaker 5: got it. But by and large he called an offense
Speaker 5: that was consistently really good and probably among and not
Speaker 5: probably among the best in the league. So when you
Speaker 5: look at it from that standpoint, and you look at
Speaker 5: where the Eagles were last year, especially at the end
Speaker 5: of the season on their offense, where they feel it
Speaker 5: felt like they were really stifled, I think that's where
Speaker 5: I'm more interested in. How does he turn that around?
Speaker 5: Does he get them into it? So, does he get
Speaker 5: Jalen Hurst to play a certain brand of football that
Speaker 5: makes him as good as Dak Prescott. There was a time,
Speaker 5: not last year, but year before last one, a lot
Speaker 5: of people were saying Jalen Hurst was one of the
Speaker 5: better quarterbacks in the league, and last year things fell off.
Speaker 2: It wasn't the same.
Speaker 5: They weren't able to do all the things they did before.
Speaker 5: I'm interested to see if Kellen Wore can get that
Speaker 5: out of that offense because they got talent on the offense.
Speaker 5: They got a great offensive line, they got great skill
Speaker 5: position players, so they got talent. I want to see
Speaker 5: how he puts that together. So that's going to be
Speaker 5: the interesting one.
Speaker 8: But to that point, this is also why I view
Speaker 8: Fangio as the bigger threat of the two, because the
Speaker 8: first when I heard the news that Kella Moore was
Speaker 8: going to join the Eagles as offensive courting, the first
Speaker 8: thing that popped in my head was how does he
Speaker 8: fit with what Jalen Hurts does well? Right, this is
Speaker 8: a run first offense in Philadelphia. They do so much
Speaker 8: damage on the ground bit with Jalen Hurts his legs,
Speaker 8: DeAndre Swift, those guys in the backfield. But one of
Speaker 8: the reasons that Kellen Moore was on the outs here
Speaker 8: in Dallas on the back end of his career here
Speaker 8: is because he wanted to pass the ball. And he
Speaker 8: even he stood at the podium one day admitted it.
Speaker 8: He said if it were up to me, I just passed, pass, past,
Speaker 8: passed sixty times a game. But he said, and I quote,
Speaker 8: but I've had to learn to kind of scale back. Okay,
Speaker 8: which Kella Moore is showing up in Philadelphia? Is it
Speaker 8: the one that sees Devonte Smith and sees aj Brown
Speaker 8: and sees Dallas Goddard and say, well, I have these weapons.
Speaker 2: I just want to throw, throw, throw, throw, throw.
Speaker 8: Well, Jalen Hurts showed last year that while he can
Speaker 8: drop back and throw, he if you force him to
Speaker 8: throw forty five fifty times, you'll probably win that game.
Speaker 8: So I wonder, how y all killing Moore is going
Speaker 8: to your point, how is he going to ask Jalen
Speaker 8: Hurts to play the game of football going forty? Is
Speaker 8: he going to say, I'm going to make you a
Speaker 8: forty forty time dropbacker. If that's the case, the Cowboys
Speaker 8: have to be thrilled with that, because that's what you
Speaker 8: want to see, especially with Trevon Diggs returning. You got
Speaker 8: de Ron Bland, if you can get Stefan Gilmore, your
Speaker 8: secondary is good against that. But if they're not willing
Speaker 8: to run the ball and at least create some sembilance,
Speaker 8: of balance, then you have a better chance of your
Speaker 8: pass rush being successful because your pass rush is going
Speaker 8: to be asked to go out the quarterback more often
Speaker 8: than to stop the run.
Speaker 5: So let me ask you this question, who's better DeAndre
Speaker 5: Swift or AJ Brown?
Speaker 2: Well? AJ Brown? AJ Brown.
Speaker 5: The only point I'm gonna make here is that's great
Speaker 5: to say unless he gets to Philadelphia and has a
Speaker 5: way of developing Jalen Hurts into being a guy that
Speaker 5: could throw the ball forty times a game because he's
Speaker 5: got the wide receivers and the tight end that if
Speaker 5: he can get it going, he would be deadly. Like
Speaker 5: that would be a deadly offense if they get that
Speaker 5: passing game going consistently enough. Right, So don't get me wrong,
Speaker 5: I'm not saying that Jalen may or may not be
Speaker 5: there yet. What I'm saying is Kellen Moore was able
Speaker 5: to do with By the way, when Dak Prescott got
Speaker 5: to the NFL, most people didn't call him a drop
Speaker 5: back passage, right. Somehow he developed into a drop back
Speaker 5: passer and now can light you up.
Speaker 2: Right, That's why he developed great.
Speaker 5: Great, But my point is it doesn't mean you can't
Speaker 5: do it. It doesn't mean that if you come in
Speaker 5: and you are this doesn't mean that within a year's time,
Speaker 5: two years time, whatever, you can't develop into something else.
Speaker 5: I think that that's where I look at it, and
Speaker 5: that's my point. I think that's the more interesting hire
Speaker 5: to me is I want to see if Kellen can
Speaker 5: get that passing game going in a way where they
Speaker 5: can really take advantage of those skill position players. Because
Speaker 5: I don't think there aren't many teams in the league
Speaker 5: that have better skill position players.
Speaker 2: Their teams have a better quarterback. I don't know that
Speaker 2: there are.
Speaker 5: Many to have better skill position players. So when you
Speaker 5: start looking at from that standpoint, he's got something to
Speaker 5: work with. If they can develop the things they want
Speaker 5: to develop and Hurts, it can get really really really
Speaker 5: interesting out there.
Speaker 8: For that's true, It just feels like the if, the
Speaker 8: question of if is bigger on the killing more side
Speaker 8: of the ball than fanjis.
Speaker 2: All Right, we appreciate you guys join us.
Speaker 5: We're back next week and we'll get into some maybe
Speaker 5: some time tom we'll see how We'll see how it
Speaker 5: goes and U we'll just we'll play it. By year,
Speaker 5: there'll meet maybe news there will be something we got
Speaker 5: to talk about. We're only a couple of weeks from
Speaker 5: free agency starting, so there's a lot that we still
Speaker 5: got to get into as we get ready for free agency,
Speaker 5: and hopefully, hopefully this year there'll be a little bit
Speaker 5: of that all in juice on on free.
Speaker 6: Agent, free agency, on a parade.
Speaker 5: Stop it all right, We appreciate you join us. We'll
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