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Speaker 1: Previously on Weedian House.

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Speaker 2: So many young people when they turn eighteen and they've

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Speaker 2: had the state running their life since childhood, and not

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Speaker 2: in a great way. So it's often very hard to

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Speaker 2: get foster youth to participate in extended foster care.

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Speaker 3: Yes, there are incredible young people who manage to do

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Speaker 3: it and somehow get to college and somehow have fulfilling,

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Speaker 3: productive lives, and some of them are in my book

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Speaker 3: Boards of the State. But overall, fewer than five percent

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Speaker 3: of kids who age out of foster care will ever

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Speaker 3: get for your college degree. Fewer than five percent the

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Speaker 3: fifty nine percent or something are getting locked up.

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Speaker 4: This is wrong.

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Speaker 1: This is wrong.

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Speaker 5: Welcome back to Weedian House. I'm your host, Theo Henderson.

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Speaker 5: Stay tuned for an update on Los Angeles ICE violent

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Speaker 5: immigration tactics and the impact it's had on the unhoused community.

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Speaker 1: But first, unhoused.

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Speaker 5: News, because the news is moving very quickly. We are

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Speaker 5: recording this on Tuesday, June tenth. Our first story takes

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Speaker 5: place in Summit, New Jersey. The Summer City Council approved

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Speaker 5: plans to jail unhoused people unwilling to accept help. They

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Speaker 5: can face thirty days in jail. And be fined up

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Speaker 5: to five hundred dollars only if they're unwilling to work

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Speaker 5: with social service providers. Penalties will also be enforced if

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Speaker 5: a person refuses to be transport to available indoor housing

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Speaker 5: or an emergency shelter summit. Mayor Elizabeth Fagin said the

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Speaker 5: ordinance is another layer and the opportunity for engagement. New

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Speaker 5: Jersey's houseless population in twenty twenty four was over twelve thousand,

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Speaker 5: with children making up more from one fifth of the total,

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Speaker 5: according to Monarch Housing Associates. Our next story involves ICE

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Speaker 5: ICE Immigration Law Enforcement rabbed and unhoused man from a

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Speaker 5: San Diego houseless shelter on May thirty, of twenty twenty five.

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Speaker 5: ICE has taken at least two unhoused undocumented men into custody.

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Speaker 5: The first one was the resident of a large tent

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Speaker 5: at sixteenth Street and Newton Avenue in San Diego. The

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Speaker 5: second one was at a shelter downtown. Two ICE agents

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Speaker 5: showed up at seven fifty in the morning, listing the

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Speaker 5: current residence name and a photo of the resident. The

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Speaker 5: agents will not allow a copy of the warrant and

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Speaker 5: that's unhoused news. The arc of a moral universe's law,

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Speaker 5: but it bends towards justice. Doctor King tells us this

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Speaker 5: leader of the civil rights movement had seen many unjust,

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Speaker 5: cruel things, yet held out sincere hope and love to

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Speaker 5: protect himself from drinking from the.

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Speaker 1: Well of hate.

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Speaker 5: This moment in time serves as a compass for what

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Speaker 5: we are experiencing. We are experiencing grave cruelty at the

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Speaker 5: hands of the President of the United States Donald Trump.

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Speaker 4: Why thousands of National Guard troops and hundreds of marines

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Speaker 4: to protect federal law enforcement from the attacks of a

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Speaker 4: vicious and violent mob.

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Speaker 5: These past few days, I have seen firsthand the effects

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Speaker 5: of the White House sanctioned violence on unarmed civilians under

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Speaker 5: the fiction of law and order.

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Speaker 1: The White House has approved violence.

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Speaker 5: On his citizenry under the guise of law and order criminality,

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Speaker 5: and for the most part, our citizenry and mainstream media

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Speaker 5: has peraded his view and shaped their story to his pronouncements.

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Speaker 5: The issue of immigration is loaded with tropes of deserving

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Speaker 5: and undeserving people. Given that we are blaming and shaming society,

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Speaker 5: this dovetails nicely into our belief system that what is

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Speaker 5: being done currently is right and deserves praise, but.

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Speaker 1: What is being done.

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Speaker 5: Families are being targeted, legal immigrants, tourists and unhoused people

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Speaker 5: are being accosted by playing closed people whisked way without

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Speaker 5: a trace or way to find out targeted people's whereabouts.

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Speaker 6: Is the property of the church.

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Speaker 2: This is down a memorial Christian church and we are

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Speaker 5: Recently, the Western Hotel in downtown LA hosted law enforcement

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Speaker 5: and nice only to have them targeting the staff to

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Speaker 5: show if they are legal residents. What's even more audacious

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Speaker 5: than this is that the president is fine with this,

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Speaker 5: and it's sending more National Guard to quell the protests

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Speaker 2: We didn't have the military in there, the National Guard,

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Speaker 1: We had some bad people.

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Speaker 4: People they look in your face and they spit right

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Speaker 4: in your face, their animals.

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Speaker 5: His aim seems twofold to silence the dissident, and sameir

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Speaker 5: that just calls by labeling them insurrectionists.

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Speaker 6: These are paid insurrectionists or agitators or troublemakers. You can

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Speaker 6: we have in custody some very bad people.

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Speaker 5: Sadly, they are people who are invested in their own

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Speaker 5: people's oppression, which leads me to another quote by doctor

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Speaker 5: King that says nothing in the world is more dangerous

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Speaker 5: and sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity.

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Speaker 1: What is also not smart about the.

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Speaker 5: Situation is the belief that we will be spared from

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Speaker 5: the machin nations of this dangerous leader. The unhoused community

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Speaker 5: is linked in this forced deportation debacle and has received

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Speaker 5: very little notice or attention. As it were, Ice is

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Speaker 5: going down to houseless shelters and joining sweeps to hunt

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Speaker 5: down the undocumented unhoused community members with city leaders tacit agreement, study,

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Speaker 5: blind indifference, or paralyzed silence. In one way, this will

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Speaker 5: shrink visible houselessness and make Los Angeles Olympics ready. Many

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Speaker 5: which adds to the harmful stereotypes that on company undocumented unhoused. Thus,

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Speaker 5: empathy is hard to come by.

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Speaker 1: This is why we the in House.

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Speaker 5: It's going to spend more time on this is you

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Speaker 5: in our next episodes. In order to join any cause,

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Speaker 5: education on the subject is paramount, but a guiding too

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Speaker 5: to this is empathy. So use your heart to love somebody,

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Speaker 5: love everybody. In the final words of doctor King, we

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Speaker 5: are tied together in the single garment of destiny. When

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Speaker 5: we come back, we will hear from Secret, who speaks

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Speaker 5: to yet another intersection of unhoused identity. Welcome back to

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Speaker 5: Weedian House. Antho Henderson, our next guest, has unique observations

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Speaker 5: of his own displacement and struggles here.

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Speaker 1: Secret story.

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Speaker 4: I grew up at war with the US State as

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Speaker 4: a product of my birth, through no particular fault and

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Speaker 4: perhaps no particular choice of my own. What that means

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Speaker 4: in basic language is that I grew up being native

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Speaker 4: in the US, you know, occupation of what most people

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Speaker 4: a certain amount of problems at different things that happen

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Speaker 4: in life. Plus additionally, you know, my dad's Irish, So

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Speaker 4: then that leaves that weird in between space where you're like,

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Speaker 4: you know, you're never going to be considered quote unquote white,

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Speaker 4: You're never going to be considered by some at least

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Speaker 4: to be quote unquote one hundred percent natives. So then

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Speaker 4: you're like, well what am I? Then well, I'm a human.

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Speaker 4: I mean, that's the easy answer. Anyways. You know, life happens,

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Speaker 4: Families happen, A lot of problems happen, Capitalism happens. That's

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Speaker 4: the word I'm sure comes up a lot. So there

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Speaker 4: was a lot of violence happening around the home. I'm

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Speaker 4: not here to talk bad about my folks. I love

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Speaker 4: my parents, but there was a lot of violence happening

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Speaker 4: things like that. Eventually the vorce happened. I started getting

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Speaker 4: had no problem learning, I just didn't like going to school. Eventually,

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Speaker 4: I started hanging out on the streets a lot, and

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Speaker 4: I still had a place over my head. I was

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Speaker 4: hanging out all night and just not going home because

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Speaker 4: I didn't like what was happening at home. Necessarily, it

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Speaker 4: wasn't a good place. It didn't feel like good vibes.

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Speaker 4: By that point in time, Dad was angry all the time.

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Speaker 4: Mom was drinking a lot. Again, I'm not here to

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Speaker 4: talk bad about him. I've been angry at times, I've

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Speaker 4: drank a lot. Who am I to like place Dougia made.

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Speaker 4: Life keeps moving along twelve thirteen. By fifteen, I'd gotten

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Speaker 4: years old. So I had like this room for ret

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Speaker 4: that I had from a punk rock band that lasted.

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Speaker 6: For a while.

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Speaker 4: You know, where's a fifteen year old living in a

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Speaker 6: I was a drug dealer.

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Speaker 4: I sold weed, you know, so I was paying my

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Speaker 4: You know, these days people use words like mutual aid.

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Speaker 4: For me, the first mutual aid people and I saw

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Speaker 4: were wheat dealers, honestly though, you know, and a couple

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Speaker 4: life just kept drifting on. I hit some ups in life.

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Speaker 4: you see the grays. I had some success in corporate life, sales, marketing,

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Speaker 4: managerial offices. I've worked for nonprofits. I've done construction work,

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Speaker 4: I've made soap lotions. I just kept ending up on

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Speaker 6: You know. It's like people look at someone like me,

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Speaker 6: How could I end up on the streets.

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Speaker 4: I'm smart, I'm intelligent, right, Well, that's kind of how

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Speaker 6: But I never got to enjoy that. So, you know,

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Speaker 6: one thing led to another.

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Speaker 4: On the streets, off the streets, on the streets, off

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Speaker 4: the streets, I don't know the amount of times crashing

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Speaker 6: There was a place we used to call the heaters,

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Speaker 4: It was this building like by the U of M campus,

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Speaker 4: and it spat out like this kind of heat all night,

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Speaker 4: And after that there was a really bad period of time.

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Speaker 4: I was using a lot the substance sat many nos.

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Speaker 1: Up What is up? That's that ecstasy is it?

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Speaker 4: Up is what the kids on the streets call trystal

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Speaker 4: And that's just not within most people's normal frame of

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Speaker 5: What got you started back on to drinking?

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Speaker 4: I felt like I've been playing games with my life

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Speaker 4: Well, one thing that people have always told me that

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Speaker 4: a lot of people here cirrhosis and you think that

440
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Speaker 4: you're for sure going to die in like six months

441
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Speaker 4: or something.

442
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Speaker 6: That's not always the case. Even if you have a

443
00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:05,800
Speaker 6: very severe pharmacerhroosis, it's not always the case. It's possible

444
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Speaker 6: to live a very long time. There's no guarantees, but

445
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Speaker 6: it's possible. And if you told me that I would

446
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Speaker 6: be good enough to walk around or go for a

447
00:25:14,040 --> 00:25:16,399
Speaker 6: short bike ride like six months ago, I'd have been like,

448
00:25:16,400 --> 00:25:18,080
Speaker 6: no way. But I can do that now.

449
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Speaker 4: So I'm focusing on that, and I'm focusing on trying

450
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Speaker 4: to get my own economic.

451
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Speaker 6: House in order.

452
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Speaker 4: I hate being about money, but while we have to

453
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Speaker 4: live underneath that system of money and governance and these things,

454
00:25:32,080 --> 00:25:34,080
Speaker 4: it makes a lot more sense for someone like me

455
00:25:34,200 --> 00:25:35,960
Speaker 4: to just go out and figure out a way to

456
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Speaker 4: punch a clock, get that check, get that cheddar, do

457
00:25:39,040 --> 00:25:40,840
Speaker 4: what you gotta do, player, you know what I mean.

458
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Speaker 6: Then it does show me to.

459
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Speaker 4: Ask for twenty dollars, cyber bag in on Venmo and

460
00:25:47,320 --> 00:25:50,280
Speaker 4: this and that endlessly forever. Not that there's anything wrong

461
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Speaker 4: with those things. I've lived off those things that many

462
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Speaker 4: times in my life. They were absolutely essential for my survival.

463
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Speaker 4: But I'm trying to also transition my life in the

464
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Speaker 4: being a more stable person. And if I'm a more

465
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Speaker 4: stable person, I feel that since I'm used to living

466
00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:07,720
Speaker 4: off of nothing, if I was making you know, one

467
00:26:08,560 --> 00:26:10,560
Speaker 4: one hundred and twenty plus again like I used to

468
00:26:10,640 --> 00:26:13,600
Speaker 4: once on a time, a long time ago, while still

469
00:26:13,640 --> 00:26:16,080
Speaker 4: living off of basically nothing, that's a lot of money

470
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Speaker 4: that could be used to help people to start out

471
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Speaker 4: my other initiatives like basically trading ways for communities to

472
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Speaker 4: grow our own food largely free of corporate or government

473
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Speaker 4: dependence of any kind.

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Speaker 6: Again, more about that later.

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Speaker 5: Okay, I'm going to take a quick step back. It

476
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Speaker 5: seems to me if from hearing your story and just

477
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Speaker 5: hearing it told in this way, it seems that your beginnings,

478
00:26:41,920 --> 00:26:46,880
Speaker 5: your origin story, began with trauma. We're dealing with challenging

479
00:26:46,960 --> 00:26:50,040
Speaker 5: things that you didn't act. For one, dealing with the

480
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Speaker 5: ambiguity of who you are. But also your parents were

481
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Speaker 5: dealing with trauma. It sounds like they were, because I

482
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Speaker 5: don't believe that they just did all these things because

483
00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:02,560
Speaker 5: it was just fun to do. I believe that they

484
00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:06,800
Speaker 5: were dealing with traumas and dealing with the history of

485
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Speaker 5: the world that we live in, dealing with a native,

486
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Speaker 5: a mother or an indigenous and as well as the

487
00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:17,000
Speaker 5: challenges that she probably went through and add to that

488
00:27:17,040 --> 00:27:20,800
Speaker 5: where your father was an Irish person who also dealt

489
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Speaker 5: with his own form of discrimination and trying to navigate

490
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Speaker 5: a world dealing with that, dealing with capitalism. I'm sure

491
00:27:28,840 --> 00:27:31,679
Speaker 5: that they did the things that they tried to cope

492
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Speaker 5: with these deliterious type of situations in the way that

493
00:27:35,320 --> 00:27:37,520
Speaker 5: they do. How because there is no book on how

494
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Speaker 5: to do something healthy when you're in an unhealthy environment

495
00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:45,360
Speaker 5: such as that, and unfortunately you seem to had to

496
00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:48,399
Speaker 5: be absorbed into that as a child and not being

497
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Speaker 5: able to even just to thinking it back to my

498
00:27:51,560 --> 00:27:55,439
Speaker 5: own childhood, thinking about telling my siblings like we were

499
00:27:55,480 --> 00:27:59,280
Speaker 5: a child trying to make sense of adult situations that

500
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Speaker 5: we couldn't do, and there was nothing we can do.

501
00:28:02,359 --> 00:28:05,119
Speaker 5: We can't blame ourselves over it, of course, and we

502
00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:08,160
Speaker 5: can also look with more of an understanding or empathetic eye,

503
00:28:08,760 --> 00:28:11,520
Speaker 5: with understanding that they didn't have were adults, they didn't

504
00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:13,639
Speaker 5: have the answers, so hind the world were going to

505
00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:16,280
Speaker 5: have the answers if they didn't have the answers, So,

506
00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:20,639
Speaker 5: you know, to absolve ourselves in a way or acquit

507
00:28:20,680 --> 00:28:23,040
Speaker 5: ourselves instead of beating ourselves up.

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Speaker 1: Am I off track?

509
00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:27,520
Speaker 5: Or off base with this, or if I am pleased,

510
00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:30,600
Speaker 5: don't hesitate to correct me if I'm wrong into this.

511
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Speaker 4: No, I would definitely agree with a lot of what

512
00:28:33,960 --> 00:28:37,639
Speaker 4: you're saying, And for that matter, that would be why

513
00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:44,840
Speaker 4: I identify with anti imperialist sentiments, anti settler colonialist sentiments,

514
00:28:45,600 --> 00:28:50,720
Speaker 4: and anti capitalism and international system of finance that praise

515
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Speaker 4: on the entirety of the human race and all life

516
00:28:54,240 --> 00:28:57,160
Speaker 4: on this planet for that matter. So like, where did

517
00:28:57,160 --> 00:28:59,760
Speaker 4: my trauma really come from? I could look at my

518
00:28:59,800 --> 00:29:02,480
Speaker 4: parent and so look at their actions, but what caused

519
00:29:02,520 --> 00:29:05,160
Speaker 4: their actions and what caused the actions that led to that,

520
00:29:05,680 --> 00:29:08,360
Speaker 4: and so on and so forth, and it really comes

521
00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:12,840
Speaker 4: back to like this poisonoustry, it's capitalism, it's patriarchy, it's

522
00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:13,880
Speaker 4: things of that nature.

523
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Speaker 5: Well, how did you get to this such a more

524
00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:20,240
Speaker 5: enriched or enlightened position, because I'm like, because these those

525
00:29:20,360 --> 00:29:23,480
Speaker 5: terms are those kind of observations take some time or

526
00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:26,000
Speaker 5: it's some I want to say, damask and experience, but

527
00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:29,440
Speaker 5: there takes some reflection onto that. How did you know,

528
00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:33,680
Speaker 5: during navigating your life as it were, to come to

529
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Speaker 5: these conclusions?

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Speaker 4: Well, Lokei says, on a specific track, I've known the

531
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Speaker 4: truth since I was a small little boy, I'm a

532
00:29:40,800 --> 00:29:43,959
Speaker 4: product of the system. I was born to destroy, And

533
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Speaker 4: I referenced being at war with the state just to

534
00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:49,680
Speaker 4: the product of being born, you know, particularly fault of

535
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Speaker 4: my own. The first time i'd have gone pulled out

536
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Speaker 4: on me by a police officer, I was like maybe

537
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Speaker 4: nine or ten or.

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Speaker 6: Something like that.

539
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Speaker 1: Yeah. Wow.

540
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Speaker 4: They were doing a warrant suite for one of my

541
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Speaker 4: my mom's husbands who had a drinking in the park

542
00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:07,440
Speaker 4: ticket that they felt that they needed to knock on

543
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Speaker 4: the door and sweep to the apartment with like nine

544
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Speaker 4: to ten police officers pointing guns at little kids, and

545
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Speaker 4: you know, our moms are livid and screaming and yelling

546
00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:19,640
Speaker 4: at them, and this, that and the other. So those

547
00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:21,880
Speaker 4: would be that would be a point in time at

548
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Speaker 4: which I started realized that things aren't quite right in

549
00:30:24,680 --> 00:30:28,320
Speaker 4: the world. Another point in time would have been let's

550
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Speaker 4: see Political Science one oh one. Before we open the book,

551
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Speaker 4: the instructor began speaking with us about othering quote unquote

552
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Speaker 4: othering and it being the basis of almost all conflict

553
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Speaker 4: between human beings.

554
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Speaker 6: Othering.

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Speaker 4: Before we even open the textbook or anything, I would

556
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Speaker 4: identify that as being a point, the fact that I

557
00:30:48,040 --> 00:30:53,080
Speaker 4: looked like capitalism and how one might do something about

558
00:30:53,080 --> 00:30:58,280
Speaker 4: it from learning about it. I've worked in business sales marketing.

559
00:30:58,920 --> 00:31:02,640
Speaker 4: I know how the devil's tricks works, you know, I

560
00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:05,080
Speaker 4: know how the devil pulls the wall over your eyes.

561
00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:10,200
Speaker 4: Not necessarily your eyes, but you know, metaphorically exact right right,

562
00:31:10,760 --> 00:31:14,040
Speaker 4: So that would be another thing. And then large chunks

563
00:31:14,040 --> 00:31:16,920
Speaker 4: of this I'd always kind of just felt or known

564
00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:22,479
Speaker 4: deep down inside. I've been watching fascism creep worldwide and

565
00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:26,959
Speaker 4: domestically for well over a decade. I've been watching like

566
00:31:27,080 --> 00:31:32,040
Speaker 4: the advent of leftism on the internet has told the

567
00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:36,560
Speaker 4: walls the corporate or the corporate walls, and the memes

568
00:31:36,600 --> 00:31:40,160
Speaker 4: and stuff, but really it was it's just the events

569
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Speaker 4: of the past several years, and being on the streets

570
00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:45,480
Speaker 4: since my folks died, I've seen so much suffering. How

571
00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:48,640
Speaker 4: can I not understand that there is absolutely no chance

572
00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:51,680
Speaker 4: that a government or the state is capable of saving me.

573
00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:54,200
Speaker 4: When I'm looking around and I see a thousand people

574
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Speaker 4: in a park that I used to play in as

575
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Speaker 4: a little kid, and I'm not blaming any single one

576
00:31:58,040 --> 00:32:00,200
Speaker 4: of us for being in that park, I'm blaming the

577
00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:03,080
Speaker 4: system that made that happen, that put us in that park,

578
00:32:03,560 --> 00:32:06,040
Speaker 4: you know what I mean. And then who's helping out?

579
00:32:06,120 --> 00:32:08,840
Speaker 4: Is it the state that caused the problem to begin with? No,

580
00:32:09,120 --> 00:32:11,840
Speaker 4: it's not the state that causes it's not the state

581
00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:14,800
Speaker 4: helping out at all. If anything, they've done nothing but

582
00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:19,560
Speaker 4: work against while taking photo op eds and you know,

583
00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:22,520
Speaker 4: like the different newspapers that are favorable to them, etc.

584
00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:28,200
Speaker 4: And it's the people largely. It's largely large groups of

585
00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:34,280
Speaker 4: community organizing and groups of community. Some are over some

586
00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:38,920
Speaker 4: not just going out and helping out. It's rolling up

587
00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:42,200
Speaker 4: my sleeve, skating the work, doing propane drops, helping people

588
00:32:42,280 --> 00:32:44,640
Speaker 4: get their tents up when it's negative thirty negative forty

589
00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:47,760
Speaker 4: windshill and it's collapsed, and they're just shown out there

590
00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:51,800
Speaker 4: with the girl or something and a partially collapse tent

591
00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:54,480
Speaker 4: and no heater on in there, and you're like, oh me,

592
00:32:54,600 --> 00:32:57,320
Speaker 4: you're gonna die if we don't get you a tent

593
00:32:57,440 --> 00:33:00,200
Speaker 4: up and gets you like a heater going out of there. No,

594
00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:03,560
Speaker 4: like this is so bad, you know, And then just

595
00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:06,600
Speaker 4: watching and continuing for winter after winter at this point

596
00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:09,920
Speaker 4: really will do a lot, but large chunks of this

597
00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:14,880
Speaker 4: happened during the events of George Floyd. I was watching

598
00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:18,400
Speaker 4: part of their drones fly over a city. I watched

599
00:33:18,520 --> 00:33:24,840
Speaker 4: people riot in multiple cities. I saw black heck helicopters

600
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Speaker 4: at ultra you know, Ultra low.

601
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Speaker 6: And I started.

602
00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:33,480
Speaker 4: Educating myself on a broken cell phone in a tent

603
00:33:33,920 --> 00:33:38,560
Speaker 4: while still drinking, just sitting there with my bottle, looking

604
00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:41,600
Speaker 4: at a tent. At first, all I had was subdot media,

605
00:33:41,680 --> 00:33:45,080
Speaker 4: which is an anarchist media collective based out of Canada.

606
00:33:45,320 --> 00:33:48,320
Speaker 4: It's the work of European anarchists and the work of

607
00:33:48,320 --> 00:33:52,440
Speaker 4: indigenous collectives up there. And then just kept studying and

608
00:33:52,520 --> 00:33:55,880
Speaker 4: reading and then trying to look at things from different

609
00:33:55,920 --> 00:33:59,800
Speaker 4: perspectives and then applying things to the to now, to

610
00:33:59,840 --> 00:34:03,040
Speaker 4: reality instead of just what happened one hundred years ago.

611
00:34:03,120 --> 00:34:05,560
Speaker 4: What did someone think a hundred years ago? Well, what

612
00:34:05,560 --> 00:34:07,680
Speaker 4: did Karl Marx know about like living in the hood?

613
00:34:08,120 --> 00:34:09,600
Speaker 4: What did Karl Marx know about trapping?

614
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Speaker 6: You know what I mean?

615
00:34:11,560 --> 00:34:13,319
Speaker 4: Like what a Cala Marks know about living in a

616
00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:16,640
Speaker 4: tent with like a thousand people and like there's a

617
00:34:16,680 --> 00:34:20,040
Speaker 4: cell phone charging station over there and they're selling meth

618
00:34:20,040 --> 00:34:22,799
Speaker 4: all night, Like what does car Marx know about that.

619
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Speaker 4: I mean, I think the cat had some interesting ideas,

620
00:34:26,640 --> 00:34:29,520
Speaker 4: but I also think it's important that we form ideas

621
00:34:29,560 --> 00:34:32,560
Speaker 4: here and now that make up the reality around us

622
00:34:32,640 --> 00:34:36,160
Speaker 4: here and now and our friends and family and so

623
00:34:36,239 --> 00:34:38,759
Speaker 4: on and so forth. So that's where a lot of

624
00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:39,520
Speaker 4: that happened for me.

625
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Speaker 5: We'll be back with more from Secret after this break.

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Speaker 5: Welcome back to see is Theo Henderson with Weedyan House.

627
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Speaker 1: Here's the rest of my interview with Secret.

628
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Speaker 5: I don't want to sidetrack and get off your story,

629
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Speaker 5: but I come from a very but religious background and

630
00:35:02,760 --> 00:35:05,520
Speaker 5: it was basically a cult, and I broke free from it.

631
00:35:05,560 --> 00:35:08,120
Speaker 5: But the thing of it is that the insight that

632
00:35:08,280 --> 00:35:11,880
Speaker 5: I learned from breaking free from the cult, I see

633
00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:16,400
Speaker 5: some of the tracings of it in the left of spaces,

634
00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:20,040
Speaker 5: and it's very delicate to tell them how dangerous and

635
00:35:20,080 --> 00:35:23,840
Speaker 5: how easy you can fall into becoming a fanatic, or

636
00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:26,920
Speaker 5: how it created a hyper vigilance for me. And then

637
00:35:27,080 --> 00:35:30,319
Speaker 5: I noticed sometimes trying to remind them, like, you know,

638
00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:33,320
Speaker 5: we live into here now right now. Though these people

639
00:35:33,360 --> 00:35:37,600
Speaker 5: that have raped these writings was illustrious and probably timely

640
00:35:37,680 --> 00:35:40,440
Speaker 5: in their time, there's a lot of things that have evolved,

641
00:35:40,520 --> 00:35:42,680
Speaker 5: it didn't just stop, you know, Like you know, we

642
00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:44,200
Speaker 5: have the fanatics that believe the.

643
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Speaker 1: Bible was written by God and that was it.

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Speaker 5: It's word for word, and you know, discounting all the

645
00:35:50,080 --> 00:35:53,959
Speaker 5: other people, the hatred, the prejudices that they poured into

646
00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:57,919
Speaker 5: the book, and the limited scope a foresight of what

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Speaker 5: was going on. And I say the same when I

648
00:36:01,200 --> 00:36:06,399
Speaker 5: see or hear people make stock quotes in spaces like that,

649
00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:10,480
Speaker 5: and I have to say, well, let's not always use that.

650
00:36:10,680 --> 00:36:13,759
Speaker 5: Let's make sure we're a little bit more malleable to

651
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Speaker 5: the times and be able to apply it. Because one

652
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Speaker 5: of the things I do notice, and I'll give you

653
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Speaker 5: just one example to be even clearer. I remember a

654
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Speaker 5: few years ago I was talking to some of the

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Speaker 5: leaders about some of the statements that they were saying,

656
00:36:27,600 --> 00:36:31,239
Speaker 5: and because I come from that quote, but it just

657
00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:33,600
Speaker 5: set off to all types of alarms, like you don't

658
00:36:33,719 --> 00:36:37,799
Speaker 5: understand what you're saying and how dangerous this is and

659
00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:41,600
Speaker 5: how you can be set onto another path. And when

660
00:36:41,600 --> 00:36:44,440
Speaker 5: I will say things like you know, here's one, well,

661
00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:47,880
Speaker 5: we need everybody, and I had to say, you absolutely

662
00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:52,080
Speaker 5: don't need everybody, because our history of any type of

663
00:36:52,080 --> 00:36:56,279
Speaker 5: revolutionary is always a small group of committed people have

664
00:36:56,520 --> 00:36:59,719
Speaker 5: made effective change and if you wanted to get the

665
00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:01,840
Speaker 5: coop by y'all moment, it's just not going to happen.

666
00:37:02,239 --> 00:37:05,799
Speaker 5: But also to there people that are toxic, we don't

667
00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:09,000
Speaker 5: need toxicity in order because that then this defeats the purpose.

668
00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:13,160
Speaker 5: If we're trying to minimize harm and toxicity, we don't

669
00:37:13,200 --> 00:37:16,360
Speaker 5: want to have the person that's being toxic and transigent

670
00:37:16,760 --> 00:37:20,000
Speaker 5: and trying to derail the movement. And then well that's

671
00:37:20,040 --> 00:37:21,959
Speaker 5: not what we say. I'm like, well, when we say

672
00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:25,880
Speaker 5: that you don't bring the caveato, you don't bring I

673
00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:29,600
Speaker 5: want to stand an enlightened perspective, you don't bring perspectives.

674
00:37:30,120 --> 00:37:33,600
Speaker 5: That's just just a cookie cutter response. But it also

675
00:37:33,680 --> 00:37:36,920
Speaker 5: could be very dangerous and how we frame it, especially

676
00:37:36,920 --> 00:37:41,680
Speaker 5: when we're dealing with necessarily conflict, Like I say, because

677
00:37:41,719 --> 00:37:46,200
Speaker 5: I come from that background, I saw how toxic it was,

678
00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:50,200
Speaker 5: and some things in how the isolation and the constant

679
00:37:50,239 --> 00:37:55,040
Speaker 5: stock of phrases, the regurgitation of stock phrases when you're

680
00:37:55,080 --> 00:37:57,400
Speaker 5: making you know, like for example, like you they have

681
00:37:57,480 --> 00:38:01,719
Speaker 5: got ill, and we can use biblical statements saying you know,

682
00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:05,160
Speaker 5: you're really not ill medically, you have a demon in you,

683
00:38:05,640 --> 00:38:08,080
Speaker 5: and you need to pray about it. You need to

684
00:38:08,280 --> 00:38:11,320
Speaker 5: you know, go, you know, you need to quit cold turkey.

685
00:38:11,360 --> 00:38:14,040
Speaker 5: We need to put lay hands on you and you

686
00:38:14,239 --> 00:38:16,960
Speaker 5: even if you had a medical emergency, we would not

687
00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:19,480
Speaker 5: have rushed you to the hospital. We would have had

688
00:38:19,520 --> 00:38:22,320
Speaker 5: to you know, had spent all night singing, chanting, and

689
00:38:23,040 --> 00:38:25,319
Speaker 5: if you got into a coma, you know, it's just

690
00:38:25,360 --> 00:38:29,759
Speaker 5: God's will. So I seen extreme examples of that. I've

691
00:38:29,760 --> 00:38:33,560
Speaker 5: seen how were people that were suffering from depression or

692
00:38:33,600 --> 00:38:37,719
Speaker 5: suffering from pseudo sidal ideation, how they would discounted and

693
00:38:37,719 --> 00:38:41,080
Speaker 5: then they were made to feel bad. You know, there's

694
00:38:41,080 --> 00:38:44,480
Speaker 5: got to be a balance between sometimes of the moment

695
00:38:44,600 --> 00:38:48,200
Speaker 5: of reality and then to this austere belief system that's

696
00:38:48,360 --> 00:38:50,480
Speaker 5: totally unrealistic.

697
00:38:50,600 --> 00:38:51,680
Speaker 1: That's what I come with.

698
00:38:52,200 --> 00:38:54,560
Speaker 5: And when the movements and see and I see, I

699
00:38:54,560 --> 00:38:59,680
Speaker 5: can see how this could be led into some dangerous wards.

700
00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:00,680
Speaker 5: That's all all I'm saying.

701
00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:03,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, well, I could talk about a couple

702
00:39:03,760 --> 00:39:05,040
Speaker 4: of hours on the whole.

703
00:39:04,840 --> 00:39:06,200
Speaker 6: Lot of what we just talked there.

704
00:39:08,520 --> 00:39:10,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I would very much have the time to

705
00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:14,040
Speaker 4: do that, actually, because I have my own experiences with

706
00:39:14,080 --> 00:39:18,200
Speaker 4: the pseudo cult type thing. Although it wasn't overtly religious,

707
00:39:17,960 --> 00:39:24,080
Speaker 4: it qualifies or whatever. Yeah, you know, left right spaces

708
00:39:24,440 --> 00:39:25,520
Speaker 4: all this stuff.

709
00:39:25,880 --> 00:39:27,839
Speaker 6: Obviously, I have my leftist.

710
00:39:27,560 --> 00:39:34,399
Speaker 4: Views personally me personally, I myself do now when you're

711
00:39:34,440 --> 00:39:37,960
Speaker 4: talking about the wider world of the streets and people

712
00:39:38,080 --> 00:39:41,360
Speaker 4: who live life as an unsheltered individual, and I mean, like,

713
00:39:41,480 --> 00:39:44,640
Speaker 4: I kind of look at that term sometimes, like was

714
00:39:44,680 --> 00:39:46,919
Speaker 4: that someone from the streets that came up with that term?

715
00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:49,040
Speaker 4: Does someone just wake up out of their tent one day,

716
00:39:49,160 --> 00:39:51,080
Speaker 4: take a slug off that E and J and say,

717
00:39:51,080 --> 00:39:54,520
Speaker 4: you know what, I'm a chronically unsheltered individual from the streets,

718
00:39:54,520 --> 00:39:59,040
Speaker 4: My guy, I don't think that's the case. I just don't.

719
00:39:59,200 --> 00:40:03,719
Speaker 4: Although it certainly possible, I just don't. But I like

720
00:40:03,800 --> 00:40:07,880
Speaker 4: to frame things in terms of just the streets and

721
00:40:07,960 --> 00:40:13,040
Speaker 4: in terms of intersectionality, specifically actually in terms of the streets,

722
00:40:13,239 --> 00:40:16,120
Speaker 4: because I can't think of a single type of oppression

723
00:40:16,200 --> 00:40:19,960
Speaker 4: where you won't find an intersectionality at the level of

724
00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:20,520
Speaker 4: the streets.

725
00:40:20,800 --> 00:40:21,560
Speaker 6: You know what I'm saying.

726
00:40:21,600 --> 00:40:25,160
Speaker 4: Are you talking about women's rights, women's bodily autonomy and

727
00:40:25,200 --> 00:40:27,839
Speaker 4: stuff like that. These are issues happening at the level

728
00:40:27,880 --> 00:40:30,480
Speaker 4: of the streets. Bodily autonomy is also happening at the

729
00:40:30,560 --> 00:40:33,359
Speaker 4: level of the streets as far as whether or not

730
00:40:33,440 --> 00:40:36,480
Speaker 4: a system deems someone to take care of themselves or

731
00:40:36,520 --> 00:40:37,480
Speaker 4: other human beings.

732
00:40:38,040 --> 00:40:41,040
Speaker 6: Who are they? Who's the system? Who really is anyone

733
00:40:41,040 --> 00:40:44,000
Speaker 6: to decide these things. There's a whole lot of questions there.

734
00:40:46,040 --> 00:40:48,200
Speaker 6: And then when you look at the streets, you see

735
00:40:48,400 --> 00:40:51,120
Speaker 6: people coming in from the left and they're pushing their

736
00:40:51,200 --> 00:40:55,640
Speaker 6: leftist views that are there's personally into worlds that may

737
00:40:55,680 --> 00:40:59,440
Speaker 6: not align with that world of a housed leftist. In

738
00:40:59,480 --> 00:41:04,680
Speaker 6: my experience, I'm frequently invalidated. Has a drunk ass from

739
00:41:04,760 --> 00:41:07,040
Speaker 6: a tent. They won't say that, you know, they're not

740
00:41:07,080 --> 00:41:10,279
Speaker 6: going to say that, not to me, of course, of course, of.

741
00:41:10,239 --> 00:41:14,720
Speaker 4: Course, but I'm invalidated, has a drunk, mentally unwell person,

742
00:41:15,280 --> 00:41:18,319
Speaker 4: heavily traumatized from a tent. All of these things are true,

743
00:41:18,320 --> 00:41:21,759
Speaker 4: by the way, but they'll invalidate me with that at

744
00:41:21,760 --> 00:41:24,239
Speaker 4: the same time they want to hold me accountable. Has

745
00:41:24,280 --> 00:41:28,040
Speaker 4: a comrade has housed comrade as someone who lives in

746
00:41:28,080 --> 00:41:32,000
Speaker 4: the world that they live in, the shares and the values,

747
00:41:32,200 --> 00:41:37,520
Speaker 4: the more's the ways of communication that they have chosen

748
00:41:37,760 --> 00:41:41,840
Speaker 4: for themselves socially has a group. And that just doesn't

749
00:41:41,880 --> 00:41:47,160
Speaker 4: line up for me, because, like, okay, I see accusations

750
00:41:47,200 --> 00:41:48,120
Speaker 4: getting tossed around.

751
00:41:48,560 --> 00:41:51,040
Speaker 6: People's screaming you know whose streets are streets? You know

752
00:41:51,080 --> 00:41:51,520
Speaker 6: what I mean?

753
00:41:51,600 --> 00:41:56,040
Speaker 4: Like, no justice, no streets? Right, no justice, no streets?

754
00:41:56,080 --> 00:41:59,960
Speaker 4: Where's our own internal justice? I don't really see it.

755
00:42:00,400 --> 00:42:04,359
Speaker 4: So you have these wild accusations darting around about this

756
00:42:04,400 --> 00:42:07,839
Speaker 4: person or that person. The accusations changed from year to year.

757
00:42:08,680 --> 00:42:11,600
Speaker 4: There's never really any proof, never any sort of process

758
00:42:11,680 --> 00:42:14,680
Speaker 4: or anything like that. Now, I don't know what it's

759
00:42:14,719 --> 00:42:16,960
Speaker 4: like in the world of the housed white leftists and

760
00:42:17,000 --> 00:42:19,880
Speaker 4: all that. Okay, like where I come from, if you

761
00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:22,560
Speaker 4: act like that, you get checked. I'm sorry you said,

762
00:42:22,600 --> 00:42:25,759
Speaker 4: what about who back it up? What you're talking about?

763
00:42:25,800 --> 00:42:25,960
Speaker 6: Then?

764
00:42:27,040 --> 00:42:30,040
Speaker 4: Yet that's not the way it works. So then people

765
00:42:30,040 --> 00:42:33,360
Speaker 4: get upset because their names getting smeared through the mud,

766
00:42:33,480 --> 00:42:37,680
Speaker 4: typically because there's usually standing up to the power structure also,

767
00:42:38,520 --> 00:42:44,200
Speaker 4: and I just I see a lot of problems with that.

768
00:42:44,320 --> 00:42:49,239
Speaker 4: I see problems with housed people imposing what makes them

769
00:42:49,280 --> 00:42:52,680
Speaker 4: comfortable inside of their world, in their mind and their heart,

770
00:42:52,840 --> 00:42:56,080
Speaker 4: their their places in the spaces that are not theirs

771
00:42:56,680 --> 00:42:59,120
Speaker 4: where these things may not work, where they talk about

772
00:42:59,200 --> 00:43:02,439
Speaker 4: things like tru and stuff, and I'm like, I've worked

773
00:43:02,440 --> 00:43:05,000
Speaker 4: with people I don't trust out at camps. I've worked

774
00:43:05,000 --> 00:43:07,960
Speaker 4: with people I hate their guts, I don't like them.

775
00:43:08,440 --> 00:43:11,800
Speaker 4: Let's use them a better word, I don't like them.

776
00:43:12,560 --> 00:43:15,200
Speaker 4: We have to work together. If there's no one else

777
00:43:15,239 --> 00:43:17,279
Speaker 4: out here, we got to do it, you know. And

778
00:43:18,200 --> 00:43:19,759
Speaker 4: I just feel like a lot of people at times

779
00:43:19,800 --> 00:43:22,799
Speaker 4: people don't understand that, or at times people try to

780
00:43:22,800 --> 00:43:27,640
Speaker 4: talk me out of ideas I had, like pr marketing.

781
00:43:28,200 --> 00:43:31,279
Speaker 4: I wanted to actually get an email list, hook up

782
00:43:31,320 --> 00:43:34,120
Speaker 4: with the five OZHO one C three, and get an

783
00:43:34,120 --> 00:43:36,960
Speaker 4: actual call center going. So instead of putting out like

784
00:43:37,040 --> 00:43:39,960
Speaker 4: these you know, venmo s and such on social media.

785
00:43:40,560 --> 00:43:43,000
Speaker 4: I mean, keep doing that too, but to actually have

786
00:43:43,120 --> 00:43:45,840
Speaker 4: like a membership list, and as well as to be

787
00:43:45,880 --> 00:43:49,000
Speaker 4: able to help shape narratives at the grassroots level to

788
00:43:49,080 --> 00:43:52,080
Speaker 4: counter what's being happening, you know, from the media and

789
00:43:52,160 --> 00:43:54,879
Speaker 4: all this other stuff, right, because the media always will

790
00:43:54,880 --> 00:43:59,120
Speaker 4: bring up the trauma, the crime, the violence, So to

791
00:43:59,160 --> 00:44:01,600
Speaker 4: counter this other stuf, like, well, hey, we worked on

792
00:44:01,640 --> 00:44:04,160
Speaker 4: this project and we got a bunch of people together

793
00:44:04,280 --> 00:44:07,319
Speaker 4: and put together some meat artwork. Hope you liked it.

794
00:44:07,520 --> 00:44:09,279
Speaker 4: Hope it made it look a little less scary for

795
00:44:09,320 --> 00:44:11,719
Speaker 4: you when you're walking by with your children. That kind

796
00:44:11,760 --> 00:44:13,840
Speaker 4: of the thing. People told me that that that was

797
00:44:13,920 --> 00:44:18,320
Speaker 4: sus that was capitalistic, and I like, at the time,

798
00:44:18,560 --> 00:44:21,640
Speaker 4: I was drinking and my thinking was a little fledgling

799
00:44:21,719 --> 00:44:23,880
Speaker 4: still perhaps, so I kind of didn't know what to

800
00:44:23,880 --> 00:44:25,439
Speaker 4: say to that, but it didn't seem right.

801
00:44:25,520 --> 00:44:26,400
Speaker 1: But it's bizarre.

802
00:44:26,480 --> 00:44:29,160
Speaker 5: I'm sorry, but it's bizarre because you know, even in

803
00:44:29,200 --> 00:44:33,799
Speaker 5: our spaces now too, that there's still this effort of

804
00:44:33,880 --> 00:44:37,400
Speaker 5: doing some outreach for like, for example, reaching across the

805
00:44:37,440 --> 00:44:41,320
Speaker 5: aisle to the Nimbi. So the most virulent of people

806
00:44:41,320 --> 00:44:43,640
Speaker 5: that despise on house people trying to get them to

807
00:44:43,800 --> 00:44:48,040
Speaker 5: understand what they're saying is wrong or painful and harmful.

808
00:44:48,400 --> 00:44:51,439
Speaker 5: So I mean, that's just amazing that they would say

809
00:44:51,480 --> 00:44:54,960
Speaker 5: that because they can make the same argument for this

810
00:44:55,200 --> 00:44:58,200
Speaker 5: that statement, because there are movements that are literally doing that.

811
00:44:58,360 --> 00:45:01,640
Speaker 4: So yeah, I just feel like they were really everyone

812
00:45:01,719 --> 00:45:04,799
Speaker 4: was really fired up from the events of George Floyd, Okay,

813
00:45:04,880 --> 00:45:07,960
Speaker 4: and everyone was real fired up on f twelve and this,

814
00:45:08,160 --> 00:45:10,800
Speaker 4: that and the other, and just like smash it all.

815
00:45:11,320 --> 00:45:13,320
Speaker 6: And I'm just like, you know, that's great.

816
00:45:13,200 --> 00:45:17,080
Speaker 4: And all, But Johnny or Susie over here, they got

817
00:45:17,080 --> 00:45:18,919
Speaker 4: to like try to come up with some money. They're

818
00:45:18,920 --> 00:45:21,400
Speaker 4: trying to get their kids back from shop protective services

819
00:45:21,480 --> 00:45:23,319
Speaker 4: or whatever, you know what I mean, Like we need

820
00:45:23,360 --> 00:45:25,720
Speaker 4: to get them like a stable job and a stable crib,

821
00:45:26,160 --> 00:45:29,960
Speaker 4: like whatever gets them that the quickest.

822
00:45:30,480 --> 00:45:30,879
Speaker 6: Do that.

823
00:45:31,360 --> 00:45:34,000
Speaker 4: Okay, if you want to fight your ideological wars, do

824
00:45:34,080 --> 00:45:37,520
Speaker 4: it in your neighborhoods, with your funds, with your own peoples.

825
00:45:38,120 --> 00:45:41,960
Speaker 4: Don't use homeless people his ponds in your ideological wars

826
00:45:42,360 --> 00:45:46,880
Speaker 4: versus the right, the government, or the international capitalist system. Basically,

827
00:45:46,920 --> 00:45:50,680
Speaker 4: though I'm myself align with those things, you know what

828
00:45:50,680 --> 00:45:54,200
Speaker 4: I mean, Like I myself am against like capitalism. I

829
00:45:54,360 --> 00:45:57,520
Speaker 4: just take kind of offense because at points in time

830
00:45:57,560 --> 00:46:00,879
Speaker 4: it feels like folks on the street are being used

831
00:46:00,880 --> 00:46:02,720
Speaker 4: as ponds by folks from.

832
00:46:02,600 --> 00:46:03,680
Speaker 6: The extreme left.

833
00:46:03,960 --> 00:46:07,080
Speaker 4: And I only point that out because most people wouldn't

834
00:46:07,120 --> 00:46:10,520
Speaker 4: think to look there. Okay, that's the only reason I

835
00:46:10,560 --> 00:46:12,279
Speaker 4: point that out. First people know.

836
00:46:12,280 --> 00:46:14,480
Speaker 6: To look at the extreme right, you know what I mean.

837
00:46:14,360 --> 00:46:19,320
Speaker 4: But also just looking at like the liberals just versus

838
00:46:19,400 --> 00:46:23,520
Speaker 4: the Republicans, and stuff, right, red versus Blue and stuff like.

839
00:46:23,480 --> 00:46:26,279
Speaker 6: That, the quote unquote more moderate versions.

840
00:46:25,960 --> 00:46:29,080
Speaker 4: Of this stuff, right, and some of those presidential debates

841
00:46:29,280 --> 00:46:32,000
Speaker 4: like playing out, like in the aftermath of that, I

842
00:46:32,000 --> 00:46:35,560
Speaker 4: remember hearing about, like quote unquote the homeless crisis in

843
00:46:35,600 --> 00:46:39,319
Speaker 4: America over and over and over, and it like this

844
00:46:39,360 --> 00:46:41,799
Speaker 4: from city to city, state to state, and at the

845
00:46:41,880 --> 00:46:44,759
Speaker 4: national level as well. Let's talk to an expert. The

846
00:46:44,840 --> 00:46:47,920
Speaker 4: expert's never someone from the streets. It's never someone who

847
00:46:48,000 --> 00:46:50,799
Speaker 4: has the lived experience to know just what it is

848
00:46:50,840 --> 00:46:53,200
Speaker 4: that they're looking at. You're not looking at data points.

849
00:46:53,239 --> 00:46:56,680
Speaker 4: You look at human lives. They're like, That's why I'm

850
00:46:56,680 --> 00:46:59,399
Speaker 4: so passionate about this issue, is that it's not data

851
00:46:59,440 --> 00:46:59,960
Speaker 4: points for me.

852
00:47:00,040 --> 00:47:02,400
Speaker 6: It's human lives, not just little numbers and stuff.

853
00:47:02,440 --> 00:47:05,239
Speaker 4: You're like, hey, and being able to understand that it

854
00:47:05,280 --> 00:47:08,759
Speaker 4: means more like a million being housing insecure at any

855
00:47:08,760 --> 00:47:11,480
Speaker 4: given night in America means that's the rolling number going

856
00:47:11,520 --> 00:47:14,200
Speaker 4: to the population. So there's far more than a million

857
00:47:14,239 --> 00:47:16,920
Speaker 4: people who've been impacted by this. Going back to the

858
00:47:17,000 --> 00:47:20,880
Speaker 4: alistatic low and all that other stuff, nobody asks people

859
00:47:20,920 --> 00:47:23,920
Speaker 4: who've actually experienced the streets about what's going on with

860
00:47:24,000 --> 00:47:27,959
Speaker 4: that so going back to the left, you know, telling

861
00:47:28,000 --> 00:47:30,200
Speaker 4: me that I'm sus for wanting to do these things.

862
00:47:30,680 --> 00:47:33,640
Speaker 4: Looking back, I'm like, why didn't someone just get me

863
00:47:33,760 --> 00:47:36,480
Speaker 4: an ID and help me get a job. I showed

864
00:47:36,520 --> 00:47:39,120
Speaker 4: up at a park. I needed an identification card and

865
00:47:39,160 --> 00:47:41,799
Speaker 4: I needed the job. Seven years later, I've taken on

866
00:47:41,840 --> 00:47:43,920
Speaker 4: so much trauma. I was unable to stop drinking no

867
00:47:43,960 --> 00:47:49,239
Speaker 4: matter what, like shaking, twitching, like really severe severe or

868
00:47:49,280 --> 00:47:53,160
Speaker 4: severe CPTSD. By that point in time, all those other kids,

869
00:47:53,200 --> 00:47:55,319
Speaker 4: a lot of them, they're not even around anymore. If

870
00:47:55,320 --> 00:47:57,640
Speaker 4: they went home, they wanted to do whatever they do,

871
00:47:58,280 --> 00:48:00,640
Speaker 4: Like I showed up at a park eating some.

872
00:48:01,040 --> 00:48:02,120
Speaker 6: Really basic stuff.

873
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Speaker 4: Instead, I felt like I got used as a poster

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Speaker 4: child without actually being listened to myself.

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Speaker 6: Wat's the same thing happen to other people now. On

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Speaker 6: the right wing.

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Speaker 4: Side of it is accelerationism, Okay. Accelerationism is a fascist

878
00:48:18,719 --> 00:48:22,640
Speaker 4: strategy to bring society to the brink of collapse, to

879
00:48:22,920 --> 00:48:26,560
Speaker 4: amplify the crime stats, to amplify the poverty and the joblessness,

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00:48:27,080 --> 00:48:31,840
Speaker 4: to amplify you know, insecurity, you can't trust the food,

881
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Speaker 4: Will there be food, will there be water?

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00:48:34,719 --> 00:48:35,479
Speaker 6: Things like that.

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Speaker 4: It's to bring society to the total brink of collapse,

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Speaker 4: so that at that point in time, the populace screams

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Speaker 4: out for totalitarian authoritarian state, you know, something like Nazi Germany,

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Speaker 4: something like Mussolini, something like that. Right, And how that

887
00:48:51,239 --> 00:48:57,480
Speaker 4: works here is, for years, the United States government, along

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00:48:57,880 --> 00:49:03,439
Speaker 4: with the white supremacist militias, the fascist militias and such, right,

889
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Speaker 4: your neo Nazi groups, along with the cartels. They're all friends,

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Speaker 4: by the way, at least as far as making money goes,

891
00:49:12,320 --> 00:49:16,239
Speaker 4: have been importing massive amounts of both fetanyl an cyst

892
00:49:16,280 --> 00:49:19,640
Speaker 4: or methamphetamine or the chemicals needed to make and easily

893
00:49:19,719 --> 00:49:23,239
Speaker 4: import those things into the United States and Canada for

894
00:49:23,280 --> 00:49:27,040
Speaker 4: a prolonged period of time at this point. Additionally, like

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Speaker 4: at the level of again where the government would come

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Speaker 4: into place, from city to city to city, the trend

897
00:49:33,600 --> 00:49:40,520
Speaker 4: is always towards like demonizing unhoused people and eventually sweeping

898
00:49:40,600 --> 00:49:45,040
Speaker 4: things towards a model of forced treatment or of having

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Speaker 4: a singular state run camp in some sort of unfavorable area,

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Speaker 4: usually located underneath like an underpass or overpath.

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Speaker 1: Or a source plant like in Florida.

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00:49:55,480 --> 00:49:57,560
Speaker 6: Yeah, you know what I mean. And it's usually something

903
00:49:57,640 --> 00:49:58,040
Speaker 6: like that.

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Speaker 4: And it's like basically it's using on sheltered people as

905
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Speaker 4: a test on unsheltered people, those who experienced mental illness

906
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Speaker 4: and those who experienced addiction, has a test run for

907
00:50:07,160 --> 00:50:11,520
Speaker 4: a fascists to atalitarian authoritarian state, you know what I mean.

908
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Speaker 4: And that's what you have going on on the extreme

909
00:50:13,680 --> 00:50:17,480
Speaker 4: right wing. Then you have the people in between. They

910
00:50:17,560 --> 00:50:20,040
Speaker 4: just work for the corporations. Come on, now, they just

911
00:50:20,080 --> 00:50:22,359
Speaker 4: work for the corporation. So like where does that really

912
00:50:22,480 --> 00:50:25,080
Speaker 4: leave the person on the street. And this is why

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Speaker 4: I talk about the need for like people on the

914
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Speaker 4: street to organize with others on the street, regardless of

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00:50:30,680 --> 00:50:35,239
Speaker 4: your politics, regardless of whatever it is that divides you.

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Speaker 6: This person uses, this person does it.

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Speaker 4: This person believes this, this person does it, you know what, whatever.

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Speaker 6: You know what I mean? Are we not all living

919
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Speaker 6: on the streets in the same encampment.

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Speaker 4: Are we all not just sitting there trying to make

921
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Speaker 4: sure that little buddy heater holds out for as long

922
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Speaker 4: as he can, you know, Like, is there not a

923
00:50:54,280 --> 00:50:55,719
Speaker 4: commonality to be found there?

924
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Speaker 6: Like so, And.

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Speaker 4: Something else I see with with either the left or

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Speaker 4: the right is that someone's always screeching about this is

927
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Speaker 4: that issue, right, All those issues again, you'll find them

928
00:51:06,960 --> 00:51:09,279
Speaker 4: on the street. They all come to one place to

929
00:51:09,320 --> 00:51:12,640
Speaker 4: gather and hang out on the street. Every single last

930
00:51:12,640 --> 00:51:14,799
Speaker 4: thing I can think of that's terrible and awful about

931
00:51:14,840 --> 00:51:18,040
Speaker 4: the human experience somehow tries to find its way to

932
00:51:18,040 --> 00:51:21,839
Speaker 4: the street eventually. I know that's for certain. So if

933
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Speaker 4: society wants to know what's going to happen to the

934
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Speaker 4: rest of the surrounding world, I don't think you need

935
00:51:27,360 --> 00:51:30,640
Speaker 4: to look any further than the street. It's the laboratory

936
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Speaker 4: for what they're going to do to humanity, to torture

937
00:51:33,600 --> 00:51:36,880
Speaker 4: and suppress people. The people live on the streets, or

938
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Speaker 4: the canaries and the coal mines, or the canaries and

939
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Speaker 4: the coal mines. When it starts getting too bad, like

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Speaker 4: that's when you know that things aren't going to be

941
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Speaker 4: good for you either. I've been trying to tell people

942
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Speaker 4: the air has been really bad for a long time now,

943
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Speaker 4: and now it's twenty twenty five.

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Speaker 1: Wow.

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Speaker 5: I have enjoyed this conversation, and I would like to

946
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Speaker 5: extend another invitation to you to come back, because we

947
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Speaker 5: can talk a little bit deeper on this. But my

948
00:52:00,400 --> 00:52:02,839
Speaker 5: type is about to cut short and I don't want

949
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Speaker 5: to cut, have you The zoom shut off abruptly before

950
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Speaker 5: I log off? Is there anything else did you like

951
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Speaker 5: to share with us in the remaining time we have?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I wouldn't.

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Speaker 4: Actually, there's a growing bit of evidence out there the

954
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Speaker 4: show that people who are using the substance zone this

955
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Speaker 4: is krystalmthmphetamine on the streets also know this up right, yep, yep,

956
00:52:22,520 --> 00:52:25,799
Speaker 4: if you're being if that person's being exposed to hyperthermic

957
00:52:25,920 --> 00:52:29,799
Speaker 4: meaning hot conditions that leads to increased liver damage that

958
00:52:29,800 --> 00:52:32,680
Speaker 4: could be occurring twenty four hours after substance is no

959
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Speaker 4: longer being given. So there's really simple things that can

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Speaker 4: be done to counteract that. A missing fan, a little

961
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Speaker 4: teeny tiny fan, helping someone stay cool, a cool environment

962
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Speaker 4: helps protect your livers because someday that person might get

963
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Speaker 4: sober and you want them to have a good liver.

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Speaker 1: Thank you.

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Speaker 5: I appreciate that this is THEEO Henderson for Weedi and House.

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Speaker 5: We have mister Secret here and I thank him for

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Speaker 5: joining us. I hope we have learned something and hope

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Speaker 5: we again meet in a light of understanding.

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Speaker 6: Well, thank you very much.

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Speaker 5: Thank you so much to Secret for his time. You

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Speaker 5: can learn more about here at the links. In the

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Speaker 5: description I mentioned at the top of the episode that

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Speaker 5: we'll be looking to the matter of houselessness and the

974
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Speaker 5: relationship that Ice has with this vulnerable population. It has

975
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Speaker 5: been said by many that this is not their fight

976
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Speaker 5: or it doesn't pertain to them, or people that voted

977
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Speaker 5: for this president and are being affected by these policies.

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Speaker 5: To take a moment to reevaluate very empathy or lack thereof.

979
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Speaker 5: We as a people in a society should not revel

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Speaker 5: in the destruction or harm of other people in the

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Speaker 5: hopes that we will be spared. Violence is indiscriminate and

982
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Speaker 5: cares not if you are deserving or undeserved. Stay tuned

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Speaker 5: for the next few episodes on the exploration and the

984
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Speaker 5: steps that can be taken to protect one's if Ice

985
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Speaker 5: comes to call it. If you have a story you'd

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Speaker 5: like to share, please reach out to me at wedianhousejet

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Speaker 5: gmail dot com for Weedionhouse on Instagram. Thank you for listening.

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Speaker 5: May we again me the delight of understanding. Wiedian House

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