1 00:00:12,039 --> 00:00:27,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, welcome to the show of Friends and neighbors. Fellow 2 00:00:27,040 --> 00:00:31,200 Speaker 1: would be Antarctic explorers. My name is Ben. My name 3 00:00:31,240 --> 00:00:34,040 Speaker 1: is no Ben. Are you a fan of fruitcake? I 4 00:00:34,120 --> 00:00:37,839 Speaker 1: am a fan of food history, nol and I am 5 00:00:37,880 --> 00:00:42,640 Speaker 1: a fan of food mysteries. But fruitcake itself, I don't 6 00:00:42,680 --> 00:00:44,680 Speaker 1: have the same problem with it a lot of people have. 7 00:00:45,440 --> 00:00:47,640 Speaker 1: I'm just not super you know. I don't lay awake 8 00:00:47,680 --> 00:00:49,800 Speaker 1: at night dreaming of it. Oh yeah, do you think 9 00:00:49,800 --> 00:00:53,920 Speaker 1: anyone does? I feel like there's some guy in England. 10 00:00:54,880 --> 00:00:56,800 Speaker 1: I feel like there's one guy in England. It has 11 00:00:56,840 --> 00:01:00,800 Speaker 1: such a storied history, the confection itself, but it really 12 00:01:00,800 --> 00:01:03,600 Speaker 1: has this reputation as just being something you could build 13 00:01:03,600 --> 00:01:07,080 Speaker 1: a fireplace out of. Did you see Coco, the new 14 00:01:07,080 --> 00:01:08,760 Speaker 1: Pixar movie. I think we talked about this in a 15 00:01:08,760 --> 00:01:11,399 Speaker 1: previous episode. I have not, but I do remember the 16 00:01:11,480 --> 00:01:15,760 Speaker 1: conversation you and I had, particularly about the the opening 17 00:01:15,840 --> 00:01:19,760 Speaker 1: act for that film. Yes, the much maligned Frozen themed 18 00:01:19,800 --> 00:01:26,000 Speaker 1: featurette that involved Olaf, the re animated snowman, wandering around 19 00:01:26,000 --> 00:01:31,920 Speaker 1: the snowy woodland tundra of Aarondel in search of Christmas 20 00:01:32,040 --> 00:01:37,840 Speaker 1: tradition and one joke that's in search of Christmas tradition. Yeah, 21 00:01:37,880 --> 00:01:41,200 Speaker 1: he's basically trying to help out on and Elsa and 22 00:01:41,240 --> 00:01:44,880 Speaker 1: help them find a tradition because they don't have any 23 00:01:44,920 --> 00:01:48,680 Speaker 1: family Christmas traditions. So the whole short is him wandering 24 00:01:48,720 --> 00:01:51,120 Speaker 1: around talking to different people in the town about what 25 00:01:51,160 --> 00:01:54,680 Speaker 1: their Christmas traditions are in song form. But one joke 26 00:01:54,840 --> 00:01:57,280 Speaker 1: that that I thought kind of landed is there's this 27 00:01:57,400 --> 00:02:01,560 Speaker 1: fruitcake that is just indestructible, and it it gets burned, 28 00:02:01,960 --> 00:02:04,240 Speaker 1: it gets you know, run over by a sled, It 29 00:02:04,280 --> 00:02:08,160 Speaker 1: even gets taken by a hawk and eventually dumped back 30 00:02:08,280 --> 00:02:11,120 Speaker 1: into the scene. So you know, fruitcake has this reputation 31 00:02:11,160 --> 00:02:15,960 Speaker 1: as being this bulletproof material, and that is very much 32 00:02:16,040 --> 00:02:21,200 Speaker 1: the case with today's story. Yes, absolutely, today's story puts 33 00:02:21,240 --> 00:02:26,360 Speaker 1: a little truth to the stereotype people have about fruitcake. 34 00:02:26,480 --> 00:02:30,760 Speaker 1: Often considered one of the more lowly desserts of the world, 35 00:02:31,360 --> 00:02:34,880 Speaker 1: combination of candied fruit, nuts, and spice is often heavy 36 00:02:34,880 --> 00:02:38,960 Speaker 1: with rum and brandy. It turns out as ridiculous as 37 00:02:39,000 --> 00:02:42,040 Speaker 1: it might sound, there is some sand to the rumor. 38 00:02:42,639 --> 00:02:45,919 Speaker 1: A one hundred and six year old fruitcake, still in 39 00:02:46,000 --> 00:02:51,440 Speaker 1: the original box, was discovered at an outpost in Victoria Land, 40 00:02:51,840 --> 00:02:57,040 Speaker 1: East Antarctica. That's right. And according to the Antarctic Heritage Trust, 41 00:02:57,200 --> 00:03:01,320 Speaker 1: which is a nonprofit based in New Zealand that seeks 42 00:03:01,360 --> 00:03:05,400 Speaker 1: to preserve artifacts and history surrounding Antarctica, and a lot 43 00:03:05,440 --> 00:03:07,320 Speaker 1: of that, as we talked about in our Who Solves 44 00:03:07,400 --> 00:03:13,679 Speaker 1: Murders and Antarctica episode, involves researchers and expeditions. So according 45 00:03:13,720 --> 00:03:17,400 Speaker 1: to the Trust, the cake likely dates back to the 46 00:03:17,560 --> 00:03:23,799 Speaker 1: Cape a Dare based Northern party of Scott's Terra Nova expedition, 47 00:03:24,040 --> 00:03:27,680 Speaker 1: which took place between nineteen ten and nineteen thirteen. And 48 00:03:27,760 --> 00:03:31,160 Speaker 1: that is Robert Falcon Scott. You beat me. That's one 49 00:03:31,160 --> 00:03:33,560 Speaker 1: of my favorite facts of this place is that guy's 50 00:03:33,600 --> 00:03:37,640 Speaker 1: middle name is Falcon. Yes, Captain Robert Falcon Scott a 51 00:03:37,680 --> 00:03:42,400 Speaker 1: British Royal Navy officer. Uh. Famous. We're leading two separate 52 00:03:42,520 --> 00:03:47,200 Speaker 1: expeditions to the Antarctic area, the Discovery Expedition and then 53 00:03:47,200 --> 00:03:51,680 Speaker 1: the Terra Nova expedition. Uh. He set a couple of 54 00:03:51,840 --> 00:03:57,160 Speaker 1: world records in his time exploring, and luckily Antarctic is 55 00:03:57,200 --> 00:04:00,560 Speaker 1: not a place that is very peopled nor very populated, 56 00:04:00,640 --> 00:04:05,360 Speaker 1: so it's easier for experts to trace back. Uh. This 57 00:04:05,880 --> 00:04:10,360 Speaker 1: fruit cakes Providence and you're probably asking yourselves, uh, super 58 00:04:10,360 --> 00:04:14,760 Speaker 1: producer Casey Pegrom, Noel Ben, how long can we regularly 59 00:04:15,000 --> 00:04:17,919 Speaker 1: expect a fruit cake to last? The answer is easily 60 00:04:18,680 --> 00:04:22,840 Speaker 1: three decades and still be eaten. And as Noel said, Uh, 61 00:04:23,080 --> 00:04:24,880 Speaker 1: this is you know, a lot of the history of 62 00:04:24,920 --> 00:04:27,800 Speaker 1: Antarctic is based in research. This was found in a 63 00:04:27,920 --> 00:04:32,440 Speaker 1: research station and the fruitcake was one of about fifteen 64 00:04:32,520 --> 00:04:37,599 Speaker 1: hundred artifacts discovered in these huts at the Cape Dair Outpost. 65 00:04:37,880 --> 00:04:41,520 Speaker 1: An interesting point of fact about this research station um 66 00:04:41,800 --> 00:04:44,640 Speaker 1: is that it was a series of huts and they 67 00:04:44,640 --> 00:04:48,400 Speaker 1: were actually the first ever built on Antarctica, so they 68 00:04:48,400 --> 00:04:50,440 Speaker 1: were historical in and of themselves even at the time. 69 00:04:50,680 --> 00:04:54,560 Speaker 1: They were built in eight by a man named Carston 70 00:04:55,480 --> 00:04:59,400 Speaker 1: Borsch Grevin who is a Norwegian explorer and then was 71 00:04:59,560 --> 00:05:04,080 Speaker 1: used for several of Captain Scott's expeditions and also other 72 00:05:04,240 --> 00:05:07,400 Speaker 1: members of his party. And here's how it went down. 73 00:05:07,680 --> 00:05:13,359 Speaker 1: Two months after the expedition had launched their endeavor to 74 00:05:13,880 --> 00:05:17,320 Speaker 1: reach the geographic South Pole, they finally made it. It It 75 00:05:17,400 --> 00:05:19,440 Speaker 1: took him two months, but they made it just at 76 00:05:19,440 --> 00:05:23,600 Speaker 1: the very beginning of nineteen twelve January seventeen, and when 77 00:05:23,680 --> 00:05:28,680 Speaker 1: they got there, they discovered a real, real kick in 78 00:05:28,680 --> 00:05:32,680 Speaker 1: the pants for explorers. Yeah, they had been beaten by 79 00:05:32,720 --> 00:05:35,360 Speaker 1: I think it was mere weeks, my right, been by 80 00:05:35,360 --> 00:05:40,359 Speaker 1: a Norwegian expedition had thirty three days prior to Scott's 81 00:05:40,400 --> 00:05:45,080 Speaker 1: expedition reaching the pole. Uh. An expedition by a Norwegian operative. 82 00:05:45,440 --> 00:05:47,000 Speaker 1: I don't know what I'm saying, like he's a spy 83 00:05:47,360 --> 00:05:52,279 Speaker 1: UH named rold Amundson had reached the pole and as 84 00:05:52,279 --> 00:05:56,720 Speaker 1: an additional complication, and additional and terrible kick in the pants, 85 00:05:57,040 --> 00:06:02,719 Speaker 1: blizzards delayed the return, and this delay became permanent. Yeah, 86 00:06:02,720 --> 00:06:05,600 Speaker 1: it's true they did not make it back alive, but 87 00:06:05,920 --> 00:06:10,160 Speaker 1: they did have some pretty lap of luxury as far 88 00:06:10,200 --> 00:06:14,680 Speaker 1: as Antarctic expeditions go, moments um prior to that. In 89 00:06:14,839 --> 00:06:18,000 Speaker 1: these huts that we talked about earlier. There's a fantastic 90 00:06:18,120 --> 00:06:22,240 Speaker 1: image on an article from How Stuff Works by Lori L. 91 00:06:22,400 --> 00:06:27,080 Speaker 1: Dove that pictures Scott and his team gathered around a 92 00:06:27,200 --> 00:06:31,560 Speaker 1: gramophone listening to music, puffing on their pipes. Uh. And 93 00:06:31,560 --> 00:06:34,320 Speaker 1: then I found an article from the BBC with another 94 00:06:34,400 --> 00:06:37,839 Speaker 1: image inside where they're gathered around a table with beer 95 00:06:38,440 --> 00:06:42,680 Speaker 1: and all kinds of different foods and they apparently had 96 00:06:42,720 --> 00:06:46,360 Speaker 1: access to fresh bread, rhubarb pie, and they would make 97 00:06:46,400 --> 00:06:50,520 Speaker 1: their own stews and curries a lot of times out 98 00:06:50,560 --> 00:06:54,640 Speaker 1: of seal meat. That's according to Joseph Coulson Um in 99 00:06:54,680 --> 00:06:59,920 Speaker 1: the article Scott's Antarctic Diet stewed penguin and champagne. So right, 100 00:07:00,120 --> 00:07:05,120 Speaker 1: stewed penguin Um. Apparently they used penguin blubber to try 101 00:07:05,120 --> 00:07:07,320 Speaker 1: to cook with, but they realized that that was a 102 00:07:07,360 --> 00:07:11,840 Speaker 1: pretty foul tasting cooking oil, so they kind of ditched that. 103 00:07:12,200 --> 00:07:15,800 Speaker 1: But they would have several courses to their meals, including 104 00:07:15,880 --> 00:07:20,400 Speaker 1: things like roast beef, turtle soup, and stewed penguin breast 105 00:07:20,520 --> 00:07:25,920 Speaker 1: in various jellies and crystallized ginger, and they had champagne 106 00:07:25,960 --> 00:07:29,560 Speaker 1: of flowing. So you know, at least when they were 107 00:07:29,560 --> 00:07:33,520 Speaker 1: trudging to their death through the frozen wasteland, they could, 108 00:07:34,160 --> 00:07:36,200 Speaker 1: you know, have some fond memories of them of hanging 109 00:07:36,200 --> 00:07:39,040 Speaker 1: out and you know, partying down with with penguin meat 110 00:07:39,040 --> 00:07:44,560 Speaker 1: and champagne. Especially it's such a brutal Antarctic climate. It's 111 00:07:44,560 --> 00:07:50,720 Speaker 1: it's tough to fathom how important even the smallest luxuries 112 00:07:50,960 --> 00:07:54,840 Speaker 1: can become. Uh, there's a reason they took fruitcake as 113 00:07:54,880 --> 00:07:58,480 Speaker 1: well because it has this staying power. And although fruitcake 114 00:07:58,520 --> 00:08:03,760 Speaker 1: is often a punchline in conversations in here in seventeen, 115 00:08:04,000 --> 00:08:06,240 Speaker 1: as we record this, oh, at the very end of 116 00:08:06,680 --> 00:08:12,600 Speaker 1: sen for ages past, fruitcake was both a reliable food 117 00:08:12,640 --> 00:08:17,880 Speaker 1: stuff and it was itself it seemed to be luxurious. 118 00:08:17,920 --> 00:08:21,720 Speaker 1: According to an article in the Smithsonian by Jesse Rhodes, 119 00:08:22,040 --> 00:08:25,960 Speaker 1: ancient Romans made something that was fruitcake esque, a mishmash 120 00:08:26,040 --> 00:08:30,840 Speaker 1: of barley, pomegranate, seeds, nuts, and raisins, and the descriptions 121 00:08:30,880 --> 00:08:33,160 Speaker 1: of it all make it sound kind of like an 122 00:08:33,320 --> 00:08:38,840 Speaker 1: energy bar. Quick backstage peak. Here at the Ridiculous History Office, 123 00:08:40,080 --> 00:08:43,240 Speaker 1: we have an embarrassment of riches when it comes to 124 00:08:43,320 --> 00:08:47,160 Speaker 1: energy bars, and we're trying different ones. But I gotta say, man, 125 00:08:47,200 --> 00:08:50,120 Speaker 1: maybe that's why I'm off fruitcake. Maybe an energy bar 126 00:08:50,360 --> 00:08:53,679 Speaker 1: is too close. The modern fruitcake can be traced back 127 00:08:53,720 --> 00:08:57,520 Speaker 1: to the Middle Ages because dried fruits became more widely available, 128 00:08:57,920 --> 00:09:02,080 Speaker 1: and fruited breads in tured Western European cuisine. It's not 129 00:09:02,120 --> 00:09:12,640 Speaker 1: a fig Newton, it's fruited cake, yes, exactly, exactly, uh, 130 00:09:12,640 --> 00:09:16,559 Speaker 1: And there are different regional variations of this. But It 131 00:09:16,640 --> 00:09:21,000 Speaker 1: makes sense when you are thinking from the viewpoint of 132 00:09:21,040 --> 00:09:24,120 Speaker 1: an expedition, right, you want to bring stuff that you 133 00:09:24,200 --> 00:09:28,000 Speaker 1: can transport easily so it doesn't weigh much and it's 134 00:09:28,040 --> 00:09:31,280 Speaker 1: not going to spoil because your only other alternative is 135 00:09:31,320 --> 00:09:35,479 Speaker 1: going to be catches. Catch can pursuit of the resources 136 00:09:35,600 --> 00:09:39,200 Speaker 1: in the area, like the penguins. Lizzie Meek, who is 137 00:09:39,240 --> 00:09:44,000 Speaker 1: the artifacts manager for that Antarctic Heritage Trust UM, says 138 00:09:44,040 --> 00:09:47,720 Speaker 1: in a statement regarding the the ancient fruit cake that 139 00:09:47,840 --> 00:09:52,280 Speaker 1: it was ideal for Antarctic conditions because it was high 140 00:09:52,440 --> 00:09:56,640 Speaker 1: energy and it's actually still a favorite today when people 141 00:09:56,679 --> 00:09:59,520 Speaker 1: are making these kinds of journeys. And it turns out 142 00:09:59,559 --> 00:10:03,560 Speaker 1: that the company that manufactured this fruitcake is a company 143 00:10:03,600 --> 00:10:08,720 Speaker 1: called Huntley and Palmer's, a British um confection maker, and 144 00:10:08,920 --> 00:10:12,720 Speaker 1: they were very popular and they exported their products all 145 00:10:12,720 --> 00:10:17,160 Speaker 1: over the world, and the company itself actually boasts that 146 00:10:17,559 --> 00:10:20,440 Speaker 1: their products have turned up in some of the most 147 00:10:20,520 --> 00:10:25,320 Speaker 1: unexpected places, and that is no joke. Um. When this 148 00:10:25,520 --> 00:10:29,600 Speaker 1: fruitcake was discovered, folks from the Trust described it as 149 00:10:29,640 --> 00:10:35,080 Speaker 1: having a very very slight rancid butter smell, but other 150 00:10:35,120 --> 00:10:38,040 Speaker 1: than that it was in pretty good shape. Yes, they 151 00:10:38,120 --> 00:10:42,680 Speaker 1: transported this time capsule fruitcake for lack of a better term, 152 00:10:42,720 --> 00:10:46,400 Speaker 1: to a lab in christ Church, New Zealand's uh, the 153 00:10:46,640 --> 00:10:49,720 Speaker 1: lab that was operated by the Canterbury Museum. And the 154 00:10:49,760 --> 00:10:53,920 Speaker 1: plan is to clean the fruitcakes container, which is a tin, 155 00:10:54,240 --> 00:10:56,199 Speaker 1: so they want to remove the rust from that, they 156 00:10:56,200 --> 00:10:59,840 Speaker 1: want to stabilize it chemically, and they want to repair 157 00:11:00,040 --> 00:11:03,800 Speaker 1: the wax paper covering the cake. And then to me, 158 00:11:04,040 --> 00:11:08,120 Speaker 1: the weirdest thing is after they restore the fruitcake, they're 159 00:11:08,120 --> 00:11:11,880 Speaker 1: taking it back to the hut where it was found. 160 00:11:12,480 --> 00:11:17,199 Speaker 1: And that's because it is considered an Antarctic Specially Protected Area, 161 00:11:17,600 --> 00:11:20,960 Speaker 1: which I'm imagining does this mean they're recreating those conditions 162 00:11:21,000 --> 00:11:23,240 Speaker 1: so that you can go check it out sort of 163 00:11:23,280 --> 00:11:25,360 Speaker 1: like a moment out of time or like going to 164 00:11:25,720 --> 00:11:29,240 Speaker 1: you know, visit, uh the boyhood home of a president 165 00:11:29,320 --> 00:11:31,800 Speaker 1: or something like that. Yeah, that's a great question. So 166 00:11:31,960 --> 00:11:37,280 Speaker 1: especially protected areas start showing up around nineteen sixty four 167 00:11:37,640 --> 00:11:42,559 Speaker 1: as part of several international agreements, and since its inception, UH, 168 00:11:42,600 --> 00:11:46,040 Speaker 1: the a t c M has emphasized the need to 169 00:11:46,200 --> 00:11:50,320 Speaker 1: protect sites or monuments of historic interests. So you're absolutely right, 170 00:11:50,800 --> 00:11:54,000 Speaker 1: that is one of their primary goals along with you know, 171 00:11:54,559 --> 00:12:00,360 Speaker 1: environmental protection and conservation. So if we as a group, 172 00:12:01,000 --> 00:12:07,440 Speaker 1: you me casey, everyone listening, and a mysterious stranger that 173 00:12:07,440 --> 00:12:10,199 Speaker 1: you'll meet eventually, if all of us high tail it 174 00:12:10,280 --> 00:12:14,280 Speaker 1: to Antarctica and we build something and hopefully we don't die, 175 00:12:14,840 --> 00:12:17,439 Speaker 1: if it is deemed of historical significance, these would be 176 00:12:17,480 --> 00:12:20,880 Speaker 1: the people protecting it exactly. And The New York Times 177 00:12:20,920 --> 00:12:24,080 Speaker 1: spoke to a guy named Matthew Williams who manages the 178 00:12:24,280 --> 00:12:29,079 Speaker 1: Reading Museum, which is where this biscuit maker was headquartered. 179 00:12:29,080 --> 00:12:33,319 Speaker 1: In his headquarter, I believe, and he says this. Modern 180 00:12:33,360 --> 00:12:36,599 Speaker 1: research has shown that the Polar parties daily ration of 181 00:12:36,679 --> 00:12:41,680 Speaker 1: forty calories was eight hundred calories short, and their diet 182 00:12:41,760 --> 00:12:46,360 Speaker 1: was deficient in vitamins as well as energy producing elements. 183 00:12:46,440 --> 00:12:49,760 Speaker 1: So part of their downfall was that they just kind 184 00:12:49,760 --> 00:12:51,520 Speaker 1: of did the math wrong as far as what their 185 00:12:51,600 --> 00:12:56,160 Speaker 1: rations were. And apparently also they focused much more on protein, 186 00:12:56,640 --> 00:13:01,880 Speaker 1: too much on protein, and less on vitamins, minerals and fats. 187 00:13:02,320 --> 00:13:04,920 Speaker 1: And this is hugely important. I'm really glad you brought 188 00:13:04,920 --> 00:13:10,120 Speaker 1: this up, because there's a thing that can occur when 189 00:13:10,200 --> 00:13:15,240 Speaker 1: you are subsisting off entirely protein and it's something it's 190 00:13:15,240 --> 00:13:18,360 Speaker 1: called rabbit starvation. That's how I heard of it. But 191 00:13:18,640 --> 00:13:21,640 Speaker 1: I think the more property aim is protein poisoning. So 192 00:13:21,679 --> 00:13:25,840 Speaker 1: it is absolutely possible to feel like you're eating an 193 00:13:25,920 --> 00:13:34,599 Speaker 1: adequate amount of sustenance but slowly undergain yeah, slowly undergoing terrible, 194 00:13:34,880 --> 00:13:38,680 Speaker 1: terrible medical consequences, which, by the way, this is a 195 00:13:38,800 --> 00:13:41,600 Speaker 1: dark fact, Noll. But that's one of the reasons I 196 00:13:41,600 --> 00:13:43,520 Speaker 1: think you and I talked about this on a different show, 197 00:13:43,720 --> 00:13:48,000 Speaker 1: that cannibalism survival. Cannibalism is such a bad decision because 198 00:13:48,160 --> 00:13:53,319 Speaker 1: by the time people finally violate that taboo and consume 199 00:13:53,520 --> 00:13:56,319 Speaker 1: human flesh, they're consuming the flesh of someone who was 200 00:13:56,360 --> 00:13:59,839 Speaker 1: already starving, and they're only really getting protein, so they 201 00:14:00,040 --> 00:14:02,920 Speaker 1: us to enter a different stage of starvation. Speaking of 202 00:14:03,000 --> 00:14:06,440 Speaker 1: fantastic segways, I I don't want to stop on a 203 00:14:06,559 --> 00:14:11,560 Speaker 1: cannibalism note. I looked into other old foods and I 204 00:14:11,600 --> 00:14:14,760 Speaker 1: found this great article by Mental Floss, by an author 205 00:14:14,840 --> 00:14:18,480 Speaker 1: named Teresa O'Neill. And Folks, if you're a fan of 206 00:14:18,480 --> 00:14:21,560 Speaker 1: our show, then uh, you probably already are aware of 207 00:14:21,600 --> 00:14:24,160 Speaker 1: Mental Floss. We actually hang out with the founders, who 208 00:14:24,200 --> 00:14:26,920 Speaker 1: are super cool Will and Mingesh and they have a 209 00:14:26,920 --> 00:14:30,520 Speaker 1: show called Part Time Genius, which we appeared on. It's 210 00:14:30,520 --> 00:14:34,520 Speaker 1: true we talked about Ikea furniture. They quizzed us and 211 00:14:34,560 --> 00:14:40,280 Speaker 1: they were a much more kind, gentle quiz master m 212 00:14:40,600 --> 00:14:43,160 Speaker 1: than than we're maybe used to. Casey, can we get 213 00:14:43,160 --> 00:14:48,320 Speaker 1: a little foreshadowing music? Just a little there we go? Yeah, No, 214 00:14:48,480 --> 00:14:52,920 Speaker 1: you're absolutely right. But first we'll explore a couple of 215 00:14:52,960 --> 00:14:55,760 Speaker 1: other examples of ancient foods, and I want to see 216 00:14:55,800 --> 00:14:59,720 Speaker 1: what you think of these. So first wine, right, how 217 00:14:59,760 --> 00:15:02,320 Speaker 1: old can wine be? Isn't it like the older the 218 00:15:02,360 --> 00:15:04,600 Speaker 1: better kind of and that's what people seem to say, 219 00:15:04,720 --> 00:15:07,760 Speaker 1: and sometimes have mishandled it can turn to vinegar, but 220 00:15:07,760 --> 00:15:09,520 Speaker 1: the people talk about a good year, and some of 221 00:15:09,520 --> 00:15:13,240 Speaker 1: the ones that aren't like really revered are quite old. Yes, 222 00:15:13,480 --> 00:15:18,720 Speaker 1: So excavators in Germany found the oldest known wine that 223 00:15:18,840 --> 00:15:20,680 Speaker 1: is still in the liquid state. It dates back to 224 00:15:20,680 --> 00:15:25,120 Speaker 1: the Roman era. They found it in a sarcophagus along 225 00:15:25,240 --> 00:15:27,840 Speaker 1: a bunch of other wine bottles that had dried up, 226 00:15:28,360 --> 00:15:34,400 Speaker 1: and it's been aging for sixteen hundred years. Jeez, do 227 00:15:34,400 --> 00:15:37,760 Speaker 1: you think I would get you really really lit or 228 00:15:37,840 --> 00:15:40,840 Speaker 1: with the alcohol kind of diminish over that longer period. 229 00:15:40,960 --> 00:15:43,640 Speaker 1: Apparently it's the ladder and the alcoholic content has gone 230 00:15:43,680 --> 00:15:46,760 Speaker 1: after that long, so there's probably a window of time 231 00:15:46,840 --> 00:15:51,480 Speaker 1: for good wine. Burnt British bread was discovered that was 232 00:15:51,560 --> 00:15:56,360 Speaker 1: five thousand five years old, not edible, I'm sure. Um 233 00:15:56,560 --> 00:15:59,600 Speaker 1: Bone soup, which does sound like something I would try, 234 00:16:00,400 --> 00:16:04,760 Speaker 1: was discovered having turned green over its two thousand, four 235 00:16:04,840 --> 00:16:10,000 Speaker 1: hundred years of storage. It's still contained bones, but they 236 00:16:10,280 --> 00:16:13,200 Speaker 1: did not eat them. This was discovered in China. Soup 237 00:16:13,360 --> 00:16:18,120 Speaker 1: like broth, the broth evaporated, so they really just found 238 00:16:18,120 --> 00:16:20,000 Speaker 1: the bones that have been sitting there for a while 239 00:16:20,560 --> 00:16:24,280 Speaker 1: with a green, gelatinous sludge of some kind. Yes, yes, uh. 240 00:16:24,320 --> 00:16:29,120 Speaker 1: And then people have also found beef jerky that was 241 00:16:29,280 --> 00:16:34,920 Speaker 1: buried in Wanly, China. I was hoping so man it had. 242 00:16:36,400 --> 00:16:39,840 Speaker 1: It was two thousand years old and it was a 243 00:16:39,920 --> 00:16:43,680 Speaker 1: black and green carbonized mess described by the archaeologist. None 244 00:16:43,720 --> 00:16:45,960 Speaker 1: of the people are trying to eat this, which is 245 00:16:46,560 --> 00:16:50,000 Speaker 1: I guess I understand it. But out of all the 246 00:16:50,040 --> 00:16:53,240 Speaker 1: old foods that you and I found when we're looking 247 00:16:53,440 --> 00:16:56,960 Speaker 1: into this, the fruitcake is unique because again, despite that 248 00:16:57,040 --> 00:17:00,160 Speaker 1: very slight rancid taste, it could still be at a well, 249 00:17:00,240 --> 00:17:03,440 Speaker 1: and one of our questions today is what's your opinion 250 00:17:03,480 --> 00:17:05,560 Speaker 1: of fruitcake? Do you think that we have been doing 251 00:17:05,600 --> 00:17:09,359 Speaker 1: a disservice to this noble noble I don't know, to 252 00:17:09,440 --> 00:17:12,240 Speaker 1: this culinary tradition, you know, ben I, I don't think 253 00:17:12,640 --> 00:17:15,720 Speaker 1: us spilling any ink over fruitcake is going to really 254 00:17:15,800 --> 00:17:20,119 Speaker 1: change its legacy. I think it's pretty well entrenched. You 255 00:17:20,200 --> 00:17:23,240 Speaker 1: don't think we're fruitcake influencers. I don't know, man, I 256 00:17:23,320 --> 00:17:26,720 Speaker 1: just I just feel like it's it's it's day in 257 00:17:26,800 --> 00:17:30,080 Speaker 1: court has passed, you know. I feel I feel like, 258 00:17:30,160 --> 00:17:34,840 Speaker 1: you know, the cultural place of fruitcake is is pretty 259 00:17:34,920 --> 00:17:37,359 Speaker 1: pretty solidified, and nothing we say or do is going 260 00:17:37,400 --> 00:17:49,000 Speaker 1: to change that. It's pretty congealed. No, this is not. However, 261 00:17:49,240 --> 00:17:52,880 Speaker 1: the end of our show, is it? No, it's not. 262 00:17:54,119 --> 00:17:57,840 Speaker 1: And what is that ominous music? Oh boy, I'm getting nervous. 263 00:17:58,119 --> 00:18:00,240 Speaker 1: This seems like such a good idea before where it 264 00:18:00,280 --> 00:18:06,600 Speaker 1: was actually happening. I'm scared. It's time. Jonathan Strickland, that's 265 00:18:06,680 --> 00:18:12,399 Speaker 1: the Quizster to you, guys. Yeah, yeah, no. Welcome to 266 00:18:12,440 --> 00:18:16,320 Speaker 1: the most cringe worthy segment in all of our podcasts, 267 00:18:16,440 --> 00:18:19,400 Speaker 1: across all of our brands. Gentlemen, where did you even 268 00:18:19,400 --> 00:18:22,000 Speaker 1: come from. Have you actually have been under the table 269 00:18:22,080 --> 00:18:24,240 Speaker 1: the whole time and been you've been kicking me for 270 00:18:24,280 --> 00:18:27,399 Speaker 1: the last twelve minutes. I got restless legs. Man, I'm sorry, 271 00:18:27,480 --> 00:18:32,639 Speaker 1: I noticed. So here's the thing, gentlemen, I have decided 272 00:18:32,840 --> 00:18:36,560 Speaker 1: that to truly become experts in ridiculous history, I'm going 273 00:18:36,600 --> 00:18:41,439 Speaker 1: to test you on your knowledge of truth versus fiction. 274 00:18:41,760 --> 00:18:45,879 Speaker 1: I will present to you occasionally a scenario, and you 275 00:18:46,400 --> 00:18:50,960 Speaker 1: must decide within the time span of three minutes, man, 276 00:18:51,320 --> 00:18:54,879 Speaker 1: whether or not the scenario I give you is real 277 00:18:55,920 --> 00:18:59,920 Speaker 1: or fiction. Now you will be able to talk amongst yourselves. 278 00:19:00,400 --> 00:19:05,080 Speaker 1: You may even pose questions towards me the quister, should 279 00:19:05,119 --> 00:19:08,800 Speaker 1: you feel that necessary. May the questions be posed in 280 00:19:08,800 --> 00:19:11,280 Speaker 1: the form of questions They maybe. But I'm glad you 281 00:19:11,359 --> 00:19:14,200 Speaker 1: brought this up, Noel, because I think this is far 282 00:19:14,240 --> 00:19:16,879 Speaker 1: too simple if I just give you a scenario and 283 00:19:16,880 --> 00:19:23,160 Speaker 1: you just give me an answer. But I respect you, Ben, 284 00:19:24,400 --> 00:19:29,119 Speaker 1: so i'd like you know. So, I am going to 285 00:19:30,320 --> 00:19:34,640 Speaker 1: make an arbitrary rule every time I appear on this 286 00:19:34,680 --> 00:19:39,680 Speaker 1: show that will pertain to that and that time only, 287 00:19:40,560 --> 00:19:44,679 Speaker 1: So next time I'm here this rule will be totally different. 288 00:19:44,720 --> 00:19:47,760 Speaker 1: But today the rule is should you wish to pose 289 00:19:47,760 --> 00:19:51,960 Speaker 1: a question to me, you must preface it with the 290 00:19:52,000 --> 00:19:58,080 Speaker 1: phrase quister, I have a quick query, followed by your question. Quister, 291 00:19:58,280 --> 00:20:00,280 Speaker 1: I have a quick query. Quick every I have a 292 00:20:00,320 --> 00:20:04,040 Speaker 1: quick queer every time you want to ask me a question? Now, 293 00:20:04,200 --> 00:20:06,960 Speaker 1: do you have a timer ready for three minutes? We do? 294 00:20:07,119 --> 00:20:10,320 Speaker 1: We do excellent? I like I like that. It's a wow. 295 00:20:10,440 --> 00:20:13,800 Speaker 1: That's enormous. It is a cartoonishly large time. It takes 296 00:20:13,880 --> 00:20:16,600 Speaker 1: up an entire wall of the studio. I don't know 297 00:20:16,640 --> 00:20:19,640 Speaker 1: how I missed it. It's a grandfather timer. I will 298 00:20:19,720 --> 00:20:22,119 Speaker 1: I will point to you Ben to start it. But 299 00:20:22,160 --> 00:20:24,240 Speaker 1: I'm going to read out the scenario first, so that 300 00:20:24,280 --> 00:20:27,080 Speaker 1: way you will have a full three minutes and feel 301 00:20:27,119 --> 00:20:29,960 Speaker 1: free to answer before the three minutes are up. Should 302 00:20:30,000 --> 00:20:33,480 Speaker 1: you feel confident and let's alright, here is your scenario 303 00:20:33,560 --> 00:20:39,200 Speaker 1: for this week. Gerald Jerry Scrivener not only made history 304 00:20:39,240 --> 00:20:42,840 Speaker 1: but ate it when he mistakenly consumed a ten box 305 00:20:42,920 --> 00:20:46,840 Speaker 1: filled with one hundred ten year old chocolates which were 306 00:20:46,880 --> 00:20:50,639 Speaker 1: actually meant to be a museum piece sponsored by the St. 307 00:20:50,760 --> 00:20:58,240 Speaker 1: Andrew's Preservation Trust. Begin the time, okay, so he ate it, 308 00:20:58,760 --> 00:21:01,480 Speaker 1: he ate it, but quick quiz quiz master, I have 309 00:21:01,480 --> 00:21:06,120 Speaker 1: a quick query, close enough, mister whatever did he work 310 00:21:06,160 --> 00:21:09,719 Speaker 1: at the museum? He did? Okay, so he worked at 311 00:21:09,720 --> 00:21:14,240 Speaker 1: the museum, says him. Yeah, like he's he's the most 312 00:21:14,400 --> 00:21:17,399 Speaker 1: unreliable narrator we could possibly have here. Quister, I have 313 00:21:17,440 --> 00:21:21,320 Speaker 1: a quick query. Yes, are the answers that you give 314 00:21:21,440 --> 00:21:26,200 Speaker 1: us true? Yes? Wait? I didn't think that out very well, 315 00:21:26,200 --> 00:21:30,200 Speaker 1: did i? Okay? Um, quister, I have a quick query. Yes. 316 00:21:30,840 --> 00:21:36,240 Speaker 1: Could you briefly restate that? Certainly? All right? Um? There 317 00:21:36,280 --> 00:21:40,080 Speaker 1: was this box of chocolates, boxes made out of ten 318 00:21:41,280 --> 00:21:45,399 Speaker 1: t I n Okay. The chocolates themselves date from well 319 00:21:45,520 --> 00:21:48,359 Speaker 1: a d ten years to the point where he ate them. 320 00:21:48,400 --> 00:21:52,720 Speaker 1: The actual box of chocolates was first gifted to someone 321 00:21:52,800 --> 00:21:59,120 Speaker 1: in nineteen o two, and this museum employee, Jerry Scrivener Gerald, 322 00:21:59,240 --> 00:22:04,600 Speaker 1: to some mistakenly consumed the chocolates, thinking they were simply 323 00:22:04,680 --> 00:22:07,400 Speaker 1: chocolates and not realizing they were meant to be put 324 00:22:07,480 --> 00:22:11,480 Speaker 1: upon display. Okay, I would argue that Jerry Gerald worked 325 00:22:11,520 --> 00:22:15,439 Speaker 1: at a museum, he would know pretty well whether he 326 00:22:15,480 --> 00:22:18,879 Speaker 1: was looking at an artifact like an old ancient box 327 00:22:18,920 --> 00:22:21,400 Speaker 1: of chocolates, or if it was something to be consumed. 328 00:22:21,440 --> 00:22:24,560 Speaker 1: So I am leaning towards faults. Okay, I think that's 329 00:22:24,560 --> 00:22:27,320 Speaker 1: a really good point, because you know, you would expect 330 00:22:27,320 --> 00:22:30,359 Speaker 1: there to be some sort of bar for employment in 331 00:22:30,359 --> 00:22:33,719 Speaker 1: a museum, you would think, and not a chocolate bar. Uh. 332 00:22:33,760 --> 00:22:38,159 Speaker 1: But I'm I'm wondering because of the specificity. I'm wondering 333 00:22:38,200 --> 00:22:42,720 Speaker 1: if it's true. Huh. But Jonathan is a very pedantic 334 00:22:42,800 --> 00:22:46,960 Speaker 1: quiz master. He's going to, you know, down to the detail, 335 00:22:47,160 --> 00:22:50,399 Speaker 1: try to trick us every chance he gets. So I 336 00:22:50,400 --> 00:22:54,040 Speaker 1: I don't know it rings true, but it also I 337 00:22:54,119 --> 00:22:56,560 Speaker 1: really think Jerry Gerald, you know, if he was worth 338 00:22:56,560 --> 00:22:59,359 Speaker 1: his salt as a museum employee, would know he was 339 00:22:59,400 --> 00:23:02,639 Speaker 1: looking at an artifact and not a delicious treat for 340 00:23:02,720 --> 00:23:05,800 Speaker 1: him to consume. Also, and let's be honest, Jerry Gerald 341 00:23:05,880 --> 00:23:09,720 Speaker 1: doesn't sound like the most plausible name. Jerry Gerald. Scrivener 342 00:23:10,560 --> 00:23:15,800 Speaker 1: Gerald is his name, Jerry is what is in air quotes? Okay, man, 343 00:23:15,840 --> 00:23:18,320 Speaker 1: I gotta tell you we've got thirty seconds. No, you 344 00:23:18,320 --> 00:23:20,560 Speaker 1: didn't follow the rule those you get an electric shock. 345 00:23:21,640 --> 00:23:24,919 Speaker 1: Sorry about that. I I was so excited to just 346 00:23:24,960 --> 00:23:30,679 Speaker 1: follow along with your your amazing journey. Okay, I I 347 00:23:30,720 --> 00:23:34,320 Speaker 1: feel like it's true. Wow, yeah, we're at it in past. 348 00:23:34,720 --> 00:23:36,600 Speaker 1: I feel like it's false. Do you want a deathmatch? 349 00:23:36,680 --> 00:23:42,360 Speaker 1: Rock paper sis? Second? One two three? Shoot? One two 350 00:23:42,560 --> 00:23:46,920 Speaker 1: three shoots? Okay, first with scissor scissor. That was scissor paper, 351 00:23:47,080 --> 00:23:49,960 Speaker 1: which means we're going with false. All right, because you 352 00:23:49,960 --> 00:23:55,879 Speaker 1: said false, you won enough, okay and that's our time. Ah, 353 00:23:56,119 --> 00:24:02,000 Speaker 1: time is up, gentlemen. Congratulations, The ants is false. Yes. 354 00:24:02,800 --> 00:24:06,679 Speaker 1: In fact, the St Andrew's Preservation Trust did have a 355 00:24:07,560 --> 00:24:11,280 Speaker 1: ten year old ten of chocolates. They were gifted from 356 00:24:11,280 --> 00:24:14,960 Speaker 1: a mother to a daughter. After the mother had received 357 00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:18,040 Speaker 1: them as a as a gift, upon King Edwards ascension 358 00:24:18,080 --> 00:24:20,639 Speaker 1: to the throne, handed them over to her daughter. She 359 00:24:20,760 --> 00:24:22,560 Speaker 1: did the same to her daughter, so on and so 360 00:24:22,640 --> 00:24:25,240 Speaker 1: forth until they gave it to St Andrew's Preservation Trust. 361 00:24:25,480 --> 00:24:29,480 Speaker 1: It is in a museum, It is on display. Uneaten 362 00:24:30,359 --> 00:24:35,240 Speaker 1: Scrivener was a complete fabrication. All right. Hey, I hated 363 00:24:35,280 --> 00:24:39,479 Speaker 1: that with every being, but I'm I feel good about it. 364 00:24:39,600 --> 00:24:41,720 Speaker 1: That was a lot of fun. I we did not 365 00:24:41,920 --> 00:24:43,640 Speaker 1: think it was going to go down to a rock 366 00:24:43,640 --> 00:24:47,200 Speaker 1: paper scissors death match. I like it because it tells 367 00:24:47,240 --> 00:24:50,640 Speaker 1: me two things. One, you are both very clever, and too, 368 00:24:50,880 --> 00:24:57,800 Speaker 1: I'll get you next time. I'll be gone, Ladies, a 369 00:24:57,800 --> 00:25:03,480 Speaker 1: gentleman our evil quiz mass or Jonathan Stricklands. I can't 370 00:25:03,680 --> 00:25:06,160 Speaker 1: get some won't open the door, like, oh, I can't 371 00:25:06,160 --> 00:25:10,879 Speaker 1: open the door from the site. That's true. Well, thank 372 00:25:10,920 --> 00:25:13,879 Speaker 1: you so much for coming, and Nol, I owe you 373 00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:17,720 Speaker 1: a personal thanks because we would have We would have 374 00:25:17,760 --> 00:25:20,560 Speaker 1: gotten that incorrect on our very first time out. And 375 00:25:20,680 --> 00:25:23,040 Speaker 1: coddenly knows what happens when when you get it wrong. 376 00:25:23,480 --> 00:25:25,600 Speaker 1: I mean, you got an electric shock just for not 377 00:25:25,720 --> 00:25:29,919 Speaker 1: following his sinister rules. And it already had jittery legs. 378 00:25:30,040 --> 00:25:32,440 Speaker 1: It's gonna be a rough afternoon for me. I've developed 379 00:25:32,520 --> 00:25:34,600 Speaker 1: jittery leg just from this whole thing. It has stressed 380 00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:36,439 Speaker 1: me out. But we hope you guys found it at 381 00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:40,240 Speaker 1: least a little bit enjoyable. It really was like there 382 00:25:40,320 --> 00:25:43,080 Speaker 1: was high anxiety going on there. Yeah, we hope you 383 00:25:43,200 --> 00:25:45,679 Speaker 1: enjoyed it. Um, this is not the last you have 384 00:25:45,760 --> 00:25:50,680 Speaker 1: heard of our historical quiz centric arch nemesis. Yeah. I 385 00:25:50,800 --> 00:25:55,440 Speaker 1: have a feeling he'll probably materialize again. I'm still here. 386 00:25:56,119 --> 00:25:59,080 Speaker 1: I think he's still here and we are going to 387 00:25:59,520 --> 00:26:01,840 Speaker 1: head out. We hope you have an excellent end of 388 00:26:01,880 --> 00:26:05,960 Speaker 1: the year. You can find us on Instagram, Facebook, Twitter. 389 00:26:07,119 --> 00:26:09,960 Speaker 1: We do not have a my Space, No well, I 390 00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:12,200 Speaker 1: I I do still floating around out there somewhere you 391 00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:13,800 Speaker 1: can look at. You can look for it. Noel Brown 392 00:26:14,480 --> 00:26:16,919 Speaker 1: my space dot com slash Noel Brown. I was one 393 00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:19,720 Speaker 1: of the first to get like a you know, personalized 394 00:26:19,760 --> 00:26:22,359 Speaker 1: U R L. Nice. Yeah, I was. I was one 395 00:26:22,400 --> 00:26:26,399 Speaker 1: of the original verified my spacers. In fact, oh well, hey, 396 00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:30,200 Speaker 1: I was friends with Tom getting to know you. You 397 00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:32,280 Speaker 1: wouldn't even mention that this is kind of a Christmas 398 00:26:32,359 --> 00:26:35,400 Speaker 1: themed episode, um holiday theme? How about that? Because freecake 399 00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:38,119 Speaker 1: does hold a special place. It's not even Christmas centering. 400 00:26:38,359 --> 00:26:40,399 Speaker 1: It's just like a weird thing your grandmother gives you 401 00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:43,240 Speaker 1: whatever her religious is. And if you were a fan 402 00:26:43,320 --> 00:26:47,280 Speaker 1: of a fruitcake and you have a really amazing fruitcake recipe, uh, 403 00:26:47,440 --> 00:26:49,399 Speaker 1: send it to me and I'll try to make it 404 00:26:49,600 --> 00:26:52,000 Speaker 1: and maybe we can all get together here in the 405 00:26:52,040 --> 00:26:55,160 Speaker 1: office and give it a shop and watch sail Yes, yes, 406 00:26:55,200 --> 00:26:57,720 Speaker 1: and we will lest sale. And for now we're going 407 00:26:57,800 --> 00:27:00,920 Speaker 1: to was with sail Away. Save me here. Man. Let's 408 00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:04,040 Speaker 1: say lo wait, say lo, wait, say lo, way, but 409 00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:06,320 Speaker 1: send us your fruit kake. Recipes, ridiculous at how stuff 410 00:27:06,320 --> 00:27:08,960 Speaker 1: works dot com, all the social media stuff that Ben 411 00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:12,520 Speaker 1: mentioned except Pinterest, and we hope to see you next 412 00:27:12,560 --> 00:27:15,119 Speaker 1: time on a new episode of Ridiculous History. And happy 413 00:27:15,119 --> 00:27:16,720 Speaker 1: holidays everyone,