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Speaker 1: Hi, everybody. Welcome to Packers Unscripted. We are on location

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Speaker 1: at the NFL Scouting Combine in downtown Indianapolis from Packers

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Speaker 1: dot Com. I am Mike Spofford, joined by Wes Hodkowitz

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Speaker 1: and Larry McCarron. Guys. Yesterday was sort of the unofficial

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Speaker 1: the head coaches in general managers around the NFL. One

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Speaker 1: of the key things that we heard from Packers GM

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Speaker 1: Brian Gouda Kunst is really much the same what we

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Speaker 1: a first year GM, in that he dropped some hints

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Speaker 1: free agency. He stuck to his word last year, no

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Speaker 1: reason not to believe him this year. Right. Well, here's

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Speaker 1: the thing about this that I really like. As far

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Speaker 1: in every conversation. That was something he said from his

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Speaker 1: caution that by saying that doesn't mean we're gonna out

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Speaker 1: and sign everybody, doesn't mean we're gonna trade for everybody.

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Speaker 1: But if Kyle Fuller's out there on a restrictive, you know,

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Speaker 1: But if they can augment the roster with a few

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Speaker 1: that Goodakods wants to explore. Yeah, now, not every free

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Speaker 1: a season ending injury in in Week three. Larry we

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Speaker 1: He ends up going down with an injury. So nobody

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Speaker 1: to help guys I think what we're seeing is Brian

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Speaker 1: Gouda Kunst is just being Brian Gouda Kunst. He's not

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Speaker 1: Ted Thompson. He's got his own approach, He's not Ron Wolf.

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Speaker 1: He's got his own approach. And I don't think from

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Speaker 1: And I really think at the end of the football day,

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Speaker 1: it's just Brian being Brian. Yeah. And I think one

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Speaker 1: It's about doing all of the legwork and all the

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Speaker 1: And it is about having the courage of your convictions

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Speaker 1: and finding the right players that fit that vision and beyond.

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Speaker 1: It's kind of funny when it comes to decisions in football.

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Speaker 1: But now everybody you know, looking at page one again,

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Speaker 1: But I think it's a little different approach for the

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Speaker 1: the scouting Combine in Indianapolis. Thanks for tuning in everybody.

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