1 00:00:01,280 --> 00:00:01,600 Speaker 1: Hello. 2 00:00:01,760 --> 00:00:04,920 Speaker 2: This episode contains spoilers for just what the biggest anime 3 00:00:05,000 --> 00:00:07,080 Speaker 2: of twenty twenty five have been. More of a numbers 4 00:00:07,120 --> 00:00:08,039 Speaker 2: and business spoilers. 5 00:00:08,039 --> 00:00:09,720 Speaker 1: Well, a little bit tone, a little bit talk. It's 6 00:00:09,720 --> 00:00:10,760 Speaker 1: going to be me and a boo. We're going to 7 00:00:10,800 --> 00:00:11,760 Speaker 1: be talking about. 8 00:00:11,800 --> 00:00:14,720 Speaker 2: Anime, the biggest and best anime of twenty twenty five 9 00:00:14,760 --> 00:00:35,440 Speaker 2: and what we've learned from the most popular anime. So yes, Hello, 10 00:00:35,600 --> 00:00:38,080 Speaker 2: I am Rosie Knight and now I'm a boost for 11 00:00:38,840 --> 00:00:41,280 Speaker 2: and welcome back to edentrue Vision, the podcast where we 12 00:00:41,320 --> 00:00:44,640 Speaker 2: go deep in your favorite shows, movies, comics, and pop culture. 13 00:00:44,960 --> 00:00:47,120 Speaker 2: Coming to you from my podcast where we are bringing 14 00:00:47,120 --> 00:00:50,040 Speaker 2: you three episodes a week and news on Saturday's. 15 00:00:50,960 --> 00:00:54,760 Speaker 3: In today's episode, we're going to be taking a look 16 00:00:55,320 --> 00:00:58,680 Speaker 3: at the list of the top anime on Netflix and 17 00:00:58,760 --> 00:01:02,440 Speaker 3: the most popular anime on Country Role and trying to 18 00:01:02,440 --> 00:01:05,160 Speaker 3: break down some takeaways, trying to gather with data we 19 00:01:05,280 --> 00:01:09,160 Speaker 3: can about the current state of anime in the US 20 00:01:09,480 --> 00:01:10,400 Speaker 3: and see what's out there. 21 00:01:11,480 --> 00:01:14,039 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm really happy that we're having this conversation. This 22 00:01:14,160 --> 00:01:16,280 Speaker 2: was kind of inspired when we're in a pre pro 23 00:01:16,520 --> 00:01:20,360 Speaker 2: meeting of just kind of what is the story of anime? 24 00:01:20,480 --> 00:01:22,360 Speaker 2: This year because there's Yeah, I would say the big 25 00:01:22,400 --> 00:01:24,880 Speaker 2: story is like more people than ever are watching it. 26 00:01:25,080 --> 00:01:30,440 Speaker 1: That's my big feeling. You get now anime has truly 27 00:01:30,520 --> 00:01:31,600 Speaker 1: gone mainstream. 28 00:01:31,720 --> 00:01:34,760 Speaker 2: And apologies to anyone who's like, hey, it's always been mainstream. 29 00:01:34,840 --> 00:01:36,880 Speaker 1: You know, I was watching Sailor Moon in the nineties. Guys, 30 00:01:36,920 --> 00:01:38,000 Speaker 1: I'm old. I get it. 31 00:01:38,080 --> 00:01:40,400 Speaker 2: I used to have to order vhs from magazines if 32 00:01:40,400 --> 00:01:43,600 Speaker 2: I wanted to watch anime. But what I mean by 33 00:01:43,640 --> 00:01:45,720 Speaker 2: that is like, we are got We got these Netflix 34 00:01:45,800 --> 00:01:47,880 Speaker 2: numbers that they released, you know, take away the Pinch 35 00:01:47,880 --> 00:01:48,320 Speaker 2: of Salts. 36 00:01:48,360 --> 00:01:50,800 Speaker 1: Netflix. It's their own numbers, it's not Nielsen. 37 00:01:50,960 --> 00:01:54,600 Speaker 2: But they did release the biggest anime franchises, and what 38 00:01:54,760 --> 00:01:56,280 Speaker 2: viewing numbers they got this year. 39 00:01:56,640 --> 00:02:01,120 Speaker 1: Naruto Shipadin the franchise forty million views this year. 40 00:02:01,360 --> 00:02:06,760 Speaker 2: There were not many high prestige level TV shows that 41 00:02:06,800 --> 00:02:09,200 Speaker 2: they're spending hundreds of millions of dollars on that can 42 00:02:09,240 --> 00:02:14,119 Speaker 2: get those kind of easy actually people watching them doing numbers, 43 00:02:14,400 --> 00:02:17,920 Speaker 2: especially not you know, for something that five years ago 44 00:02:17,919 --> 00:02:20,280 Speaker 2: most people might not have known what it was. 45 00:02:20,360 --> 00:02:21,480 Speaker 1: So yeah, that's a classic. 46 00:02:21,760 --> 00:02:23,880 Speaker 2: Their next biggest franchise, I think this one's a bit 47 00:02:23,960 --> 00:02:26,640 Speaker 2: cheeky but I like it because it is you know, 48 00:02:26,880 --> 00:02:28,960 Speaker 2: some of the best films ever made were made by 49 00:02:28,960 --> 00:02:31,960 Speaker 2: the studio, so they say Studio Ghibli thirty nine mil. 50 00:02:32,160 --> 00:02:35,799 Speaker 2: Because you may not know this, but whereas we have 51 00:02:35,960 --> 00:02:39,040 Speaker 2: all of the Netflix movies on HBO Max in America, 52 00:02:39,280 --> 00:02:42,359 Speaker 2: globally everywhere else, they're on Netflix, So in the UK 53 00:02:42,480 --> 00:02:45,720 Speaker 2: they're on Netflix, and then you know the other big ones. 54 00:02:45,760 --> 00:02:48,760 Speaker 2: Here we have Pokemon thirty eight million, One Piece twenty 55 00:02:48,760 --> 00:02:52,040 Speaker 2: eight million, Seven Deadly Sins twenty six million. I found 56 00:02:52,080 --> 00:02:56,320 Speaker 2: that on very interesting because I would say Naruto, one piece, Pokemon, 57 00:02:56,680 --> 00:02:58,600 Speaker 2: Detective Conan, which they also have on here. 58 00:02:58,720 --> 00:03:01,560 Speaker 1: Those are kind of your big, big name classics, you 59 00:03:01,560 --> 00:03:02,280 Speaker 1: would see them. 60 00:03:02,120 --> 00:03:05,640 Speaker 2: In anime shops. But Seven Deadly Sins was like something 61 00:03:05,680 --> 00:03:07,400 Speaker 2: me and my friends used to just watch after school. 62 00:03:07,919 --> 00:03:10,800 Speaker 2: So I kind of think that this nostalgia and it's fun. 63 00:03:10,880 --> 00:03:11,360 Speaker 1: I like it. 64 00:03:11,360 --> 00:03:13,359 Speaker 2: It's good that and fairy Tale used to be watching 65 00:03:13,400 --> 00:03:15,920 Speaker 2: that stuff all the time. But like I feel like 66 00:03:16,639 --> 00:03:21,639 Speaker 2: it's not These big Netflix performers are not necessarily about quality, 67 00:03:21,840 --> 00:03:25,760 Speaker 2: but they are about consistency of release and how much 68 00:03:25,800 --> 00:03:28,560 Speaker 2: there is to binge, you know, And I think. 69 00:03:29,080 --> 00:03:31,200 Speaker 1: With something like Pokemon thirty eight million views. 70 00:03:31,200 --> 00:03:34,760 Speaker 2: Well, there's like thirty eight seasons of Pokemon minimum. You know, 71 00:03:34,800 --> 00:03:37,880 Speaker 2: there's so many seasons of Pokemon. But when you start 72 00:03:37,920 --> 00:03:41,520 Speaker 2: to break it down for these shows truly, and they 73 00:03:41,520 --> 00:03:45,240 Speaker 2: do these kind of franchise things, Now what these franchise numbers. 74 00:03:44,960 --> 00:03:46,680 Speaker 1: Because that way they can say, well, all. 75 00:03:46,480 --> 00:03:52,960 Speaker 2: Pokemon, Pokemon Concierge, Pokemon Legends, tie ins Pokemon, I Choose You. 76 00:03:53,040 --> 00:03:55,600 Speaker 2: Actually incredible movie that they did a few years, like 77 00:03:55,640 --> 00:03:56,680 Speaker 2: maybe five six years ago. 78 00:03:56,720 --> 00:03:57,640 Speaker 1: They relaunched with. 79 00:03:57,600 --> 00:04:00,440 Speaker 2: That one, and Pokemon The Power of Us also wonderful. 80 00:04:00,720 --> 00:04:03,720 Speaker 2: But I think really what's interesting is after that it 81 00:04:03,800 --> 00:04:08,040 Speaker 2: is more of these new upcoming animes. Sakamoto Days brand 82 00:04:08,040 --> 00:04:10,000 Speaker 2: new this year, parts one and two. This is a 83 00:04:10,080 --> 00:04:15,040 Speaker 2: wonderful anime about an assassin who retires from his sexy 84 00:04:15,040 --> 00:04:18,760 Speaker 2: assassin life and becomes a house husband who runs a seven. 85 00:04:20,240 --> 00:04:23,000 Speaker 2: Now he's the sexy Now he's the sexy house I'm 86 00:04:23,040 --> 00:04:25,600 Speaker 2: still a fan. He's got the dad bod. But that 87 00:04:25,800 --> 00:04:29,440 Speaker 2: was I think, to me, the huge story of this year. 88 00:04:29,480 --> 00:04:32,400 Speaker 2: It's twenty six million views on Netflix. And by the way, 89 00:04:32,400 --> 00:04:35,480 Speaker 2: that show is also originally released on crunchy roll. So 90 00:04:35,520 --> 00:04:38,120 Speaker 2: you're imagining that those numbers are a lot higher if 91 00:04:38,160 --> 00:04:40,920 Speaker 2: you include the people who watched on Crunchy Role, which 92 00:04:40,920 --> 00:04:43,200 Speaker 2: has now kind of broken out into one of the 93 00:04:43,240 --> 00:04:46,880 Speaker 2: mainstream streaming spaces at least, even if it is not 94 00:04:47,040 --> 00:04:48,760 Speaker 2: yet a hold all. 95 00:04:48,920 --> 00:04:51,040 Speaker 1: But the fact that something like Sakamoto. 96 00:04:50,600 --> 00:04:53,839 Speaker 2: Days, which is a very specific combo of slice of 97 00:04:53,920 --> 00:05:00,119 Speaker 2: life storytelling, food, anime, and shonan the fact that that 98 00:05:00,279 --> 00:05:02,400 Speaker 2: is up here and that that was able to break 99 00:05:02,440 --> 00:05:04,880 Speaker 2: through as kind of a best of the year, not 100 00:05:05,080 --> 00:05:07,400 Speaker 2: just of anime but also of shows I assume we 101 00:05:07,440 --> 00:05:09,360 Speaker 2: will see it on quite a few end of lists 102 00:05:09,800 --> 00:05:12,840 Speaker 2: tells me that we are in a different space than 103 00:05:12,839 --> 00:05:15,560 Speaker 2: we have been before with anime in North America. 104 00:05:16,400 --> 00:05:18,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, this one stands out to me quite a bit. 105 00:05:19,120 --> 00:05:21,440 Speaker 3: And then to round out the list, I also want 106 00:05:21,480 --> 00:05:23,760 Speaker 3: to just shout out Attack on Titan, which is a 107 00:05:23,760 --> 00:05:25,719 Speaker 3: show that ended a couple of years ago, but it's 108 00:05:25,760 --> 00:05:26,760 Speaker 3: still clearly doing. 109 00:05:26,680 --> 00:05:29,159 Speaker 1: Numbers episodes by the way, nine zero. 110 00:05:30,080 --> 00:05:33,480 Speaker 3: Nine zero, one zero, not nine hundred. We're not talking 111 00:05:33,520 --> 00:05:34,400 Speaker 3: about one piece. 112 00:05:34,640 --> 00:05:39,760 Speaker 2: Zero ninety episodes, but it has fifteen million you know, 113 00:05:40,080 --> 00:05:43,000 Speaker 2: views or hours of however they decide they want to do. 114 00:05:43,360 --> 00:05:46,040 Speaker 3: By Netflix, Yeah, by Netflix, I think The one worth 115 00:05:46,120 --> 00:05:50,279 Speaker 3: calling out here is Demon Slayer because that's not only 116 00:05:50,320 --> 00:05:53,000 Speaker 3: doing incredible numbers TV show wise, but it's also blowing 117 00:05:53,040 --> 00:05:55,640 Speaker 3: up the box office. The Demons Player movie this year 118 00:05:55,839 --> 00:05:57,000 Speaker 3: is five hundred mil. 119 00:05:57,760 --> 00:05:57,960 Speaker 1: YEP. 120 00:05:58,760 --> 00:06:01,880 Speaker 2: That's unbelievable. And I think as well, that's the kind 121 00:06:01,920 --> 00:06:04,600 Speaker 2: of thing when I'm talking about mainstream is we're at 122 00:06:04,600 --> 00:06:07,480 Speaker 2: the point now where multiple movies, whether it's Dragon Ball 123 00:06:07,600 --> 00:06:11,240 Speaker 2: Z Super Super dragon Ball Super Superhero, which I believe 124 00:06:11,360 --> 00:06:14,240 Speaker 2: was one of them, but whichever, whether it's Dragon Ball, 125 00:06:14,279 --> 00:06:19,720 Speaker 2: whether it's Demon Slayer, Infinity Castle, these are movies and 126 00:06:19,839 --> 00:06:23,880 Speaker 2: properties that are being underestimated by the box office counters, 127 00:06:23,920 --> 00:06:25,800 Speaker 2: and I would say, by the release of this from 128 00:06:25,839 --> 00:06:29,880 Speaker 2: Netflix are now finally being seen as the draw that 129 00:06:29,920 --> 00:06:32,640 Speaker 2: they are. Because the funny thing is about Demon Slayer 130 00:06:32,680 --> 00:06:34,320 Speaker 2: is people like it's gonna make twenty mil and that'll 131 00:06:34,360 --> 00:06:37,280 Speaker 2: be huge, and it opens at eighty mil in America. 132 00:06:37,480 --> 00:06:39,000 Speaker 2: And also, by the way, if you don't know this, 133 00:06:39,160 --> 00:06:41,360 Speaker 2: a lot of these movies that they release for anime. 134 00:06:41,440 --> 00:06:45,279 Speaker 2: I recently saw the Danddam Evil Eye movie. It's the 135 00:06:45,279 --> 00:06:49,240 Speaker 2: they recut the first three or four episodes into a 136 00:06:49,440 --> 00:06:50,919 Speaker 2: movie so that you can go and see it and 137 00:06:50,960 --> 00:06:51,840 Speaker 2: kind of get set up. 138 00:06:52,040 --> 00:06:54,080 Speaker 1: So that's the craziest thing is this is not even 139 00:06:54,160 --> 00:06:57,159 Speaker 1: like exclusive content. That's how much people want. 140 00:06:57,000 --> 00:06:59,560 Speaker 2: To see these stories on the big screen. It's interesting 141 00:06:59,600 --> 00:07:02,400 Speaker 2: because we know that while a lot of these shows 142 00:07:02,440 --> 00:07:06,600 Speaker 2: do originate or at least stop beginning streaming on crunchy roll, 143 00:07:06,680 --> 00:07:08,760 Speaker 2: Netflix does have a good deal with them now, so 144 00:07:08,800 --> 00:07:11,120 Speaker 2: we are getting a lot of duel releases. And that's 145 00:07:11,120 --> 00:07:13,720 Speaker 2: why you're also noticing that some of these bigger releases 146 00:07:13,880 --> 00:07:15,640 Speaker 2: like which did not make it on here, but I 147 00:07:15,680 --> 00:07:17,360 Speaker 2: assume in the next couple of year as well. Is 148 00:07:17,400 --> 00:07:21,480 Speaker 2: The Apocryphy Diaries, which is definitely up for our Best 149 00:07:21,520 --> 00:07:25,920 Speaker 2: of Anime season for twenty twenty five to twenty twenty six. 150 00:07:26,000 --> 00:07:28,080 Speaker 1: We can't wait for the new season three. 151 00:07:28,160 --> 00:07:30,600 Speaker 2: It's about a little girl who's a street kind of 152 00:07:30,760 --> 00:07:35,400 Speaker 2: urchin lives outside a kind of big palatial Emperor's kind 153 00:07:35,440 --> 00:07:39,760 Speaker 2: of walled inspired by you know, the wared palaces in 154 00:07:39,880 --> 00:07:42,600 Speaker 2: China and stuff, and they she gets pulled in and 155 00:07:42,720 --> 00:07:47,160 Speaker 2: ends up working with the concubines inside the emperor's palace. 156 00:07:47,160 --> 00:07:50,120 Speaker 2: But she is an apocecary, and she uses her apockecary 157 00:07:50,120 --> 00:07:53,720 Speaker 2: skills to basically solve mysteries within the castle walls. 158 00:07:53,880 --> 00:07:54,800 Speaker 1: It's so good. 159 00:07:55,280 --> 00:07:59,280 Speaker 2: It was absolute smash hit when the first season came out. 160 00:07:59,400 --> 00:08:02,080 Speaker 2: But the second season they did something where they expanded 161 00:08:02,080 --> 00:08:06,600 Speaker 2: the world, expanded the character base, expanded what the show 162 00:08:06,720 --> 00:08:09,240 Speaker 2: was doing, and suddenly the show felt like it could 163 00:08:09,280 --> 00:08:11,800 Speaker 2: run for ten seasons, and I think that is something 164 00:08:11,800 --> 00:08:12,800 Speaker 2: that anime has. 165 00:08:13,120 --> 00:08:15,960 Speaker 1: These are seasons that are still running. 166 00:08:17,200 --> 00:08:20,040 Speaker 2: Three, four, five, six in one pieces case, I think 167 00:08:20,120 --> 00:08:22,640 Speaker 2: technically it is I just want to say it technically 168 00:08:22,680 --> 00:08:25,200 Speaker 2: is all one season because it never stopped releasing, but. 169 00:08:25,200 --> 00:08:27,280 Speaker 1: They are up to like, you know, chapter thirty nine, 170 00:08:27,400 --> 00:08:28,720 Speaker 1: the season thirty nine or whatever. 171 00:08:29,160 --> 00:08:30,760 Speaker 3: So I think it's two other shows I want to 172 00:08:30,760 --> 00:08:33,560 Speaker 3: call out that I think were huge hits. If you're 173 00:08:33,679 --> 00:08:36,160 Speaker 3: already in the anime community, if you're an anime watcher, 174 00:08:36,320 --> 00:08:39,080 Speaker 3: you've already heard of Spy Family and Chainsaw Man. Those 175 00:08:39,080 --> 00:08:41,760 Speaker 3: are smashed when they first came out. But I think 176 00:08:41,800 --> 00:08:43,800 Speaker 3: twenty twenty five is the year that both of those 177 00:08:43,800 --> 00:08:47,000 Speaker 3: franchises are finding their mainstream legs. Because we had a 178 00:08:47,040 --> 00:08:49,880 Speaker 3: Spy Family movie, the Chainsaw movie. All it didn't do 179 00:08:49,880 --> 00:08:52,080 Speaker 3: five hundred MILLI didn't do Deem Slayer numbers, but I 180 00:08:52,080 --> 00:08:54,200 Speaker 3: think it did one hundred and seventy for Yeah, which 181 00:08:55,400 --> 00:08:59,880 Speaker 3: is good, is really good. And so I think these 182 00:08:59,880 --> 00:09:02,880 Speaker 3: are a franchises that we're going to continue to see 183 00:09:03,240 --> 00:09:07,559 Speaker 3: bleed into the mainstream, and thanks to more mainstream platforms 184 00:09:07,760 --> 00:09:12,480 Speaker 3: like Netflix, I think we're gonna start seeing Spy Family 185 00:09:12,520 --> 00:09:15,000 Speaker 3: creep up in numbers. We're gonna start seeing chansaw Man 186 00:09:15,040 --> 00:09:17,920 Speaker 3: gain the type of popularity that's something like Demon Slayer 187 00:09:18,000 --> 00:09:21,600 Speaker 3: or Attack on Titan had and for what it's worth, 188 00:09:21,640 --> 00:09:27,200 Speaker 3: like chansaw Man pretty inaccessible, weird, niche, my gosh and anime. 189 00:09:27,320 --> 00:09:29,439 Speaker 2: I think you make a great point there because something 190 00:09:29,440 --> 00:09:31,400 Speaker 2: I will I agree with you once we get out 191 00:09:31,440 --> 00:09:33,679 Speaker 2: of the Netflix of it. Although I will say guys, 192 00:09:34,280 --> 00:09:37,320 Speaker 2: Attack on Titan fifteen million views on Netflix, probably way 193 00:09:37,320 --> 00:09:40,160 Speaker 2: more on Crunchy Role also many successful movies. That is 194 00:09:40,200 --> 00:09:43,840 Speaker 2: an incredibly bleak and gory show. That is the number 195 00:09:43,840 --> 00:09:47,680 Speaker 2: one Alex Garland inspiration for like any scary movie he does. 196 00:09:47,800 --> 00:09:49,800 Speaker 1: He's just because he was watching Attack on Titan. 197 00:09:49,640 --> 00:09:51,320 Speaker 2: With his kids, but that was what it was with 198 00:09:51,400 --> 00:09:55,280 Speaker 2: men like so, I think that something that is really cool, 199 00:09:55,360 --> 00:09:59,200 Speaker 2: and you made this point again Chainsawman, Attack on Titan 200 00:09:59,640 --> 00:10:02,680 Speaker 2: Dan the first episode of Dan and Dan. To get 201 00:10:02,720 --> 00:10:05,720 Speaker 2: people to watch that, you essentially have to go, hey, guys, 202 00:10:05,760 --> 00:10:07,760 Speaker 2: there's gonna be a weird alien sexual assault. 203 00:10:07,760 --> 00:10:09,480 Speaker 1: At the beginning, it seems like fan. 204 00:10:09,400 --> 00:10:12,760 Speaker 2: Service, but actually this is a story about that character 205 00:10:12,840 --> 00:10:15,720 Speaker 2: then going on and getting her revenge and finding her 206 00:10:15,760 --> 00:10:19,040 Speaker 2: freedom and fighting back. My friend's incredible wife actually does 207 00:10:19,040 --> 00:10:22,760 Speaker 2: the American dub voice for that character. So we've had 208 00:10:22,760 --> 00:10:25,480 Speaker 2: that conversation a lot. But these, like you say, these 209 00:10:25,480 --> 00:10:28,880 Speaker 2: are not necessarily easy to get into shows, and I 210 00:10:28,920 --> 00:10:34,040 Speaker 2: think that is the cultural understanding and context of where 211 00:10:34,080 --> 00:10:38,560 Speaker 2: we're at with anime is changing and is expanding, and 212 00:10:38,600 --> 00:10:41,960 Speaker 2: its influence is expanding, not just on creators like Robert 213 00:10:42,000 --> 00:10:44,640 Speaker 2: Kirkman with stuff like Invincible, but also on the way 214 00:10:44,679 --> 00:10:47,240 Speaker 2: that we interact and understand. 215 00:10:47,120 --> 00:10:48,160 Speaker 1: Long form storytelling. 216 00:10:48,320 --> 00:10:50,320 Speaker 2: And we will talk a little bit more about our 217 00:10:50,360 --> 00:10:53,720 Speaker 2: biggest takeaways from this year after this break. 218 00:10:54,320 --> 00:11:08,199 Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, haboo. We were kind of. 219 00:11:08,160 --> 00:11:10,080 Speaker 2: Touching on this with some of the ones that we 220 00:11:10,160 --> 00:11:12,760 Speaker 2: really like, with things like you Know and what's on, 221 00:11:13,000 --> 00:11:15,600 Speaker 2: Like on Crunchry Role, they show you what's trending. My 222 00:11:15,640 --> 00:11:19,240 Speaker 2: hair Academia obviously a final season, really big deal One Piece. 223 00:11:19,280 --> 00:11:21,200 Speaker 2: It's never not trending. The guy just keeps going and 224 00:11:21,200 --> 00:11:23,520 Speaker 2: we love it. Bim, I love it. I love those characters. 225 00:11:23,559 --> 00:11:26,360 Speaker 2: I actually love the Netflix adaptation as well. I think 226 00:11:26,360 --> 00:11:28,720 Speaker 2: it's a rare good live action anime adaptation. 227 00:11:29,720 --> 00:11:30,760 Speaker 1: They are also. 228 00:11:31,040 --> 00:11:34,440 Speaker 2: Paying him to remake the entire anime in his own 229 00:11:34,520 --> 00:11:36,320 Speaker 2: form too, like if he wants, I think he's going 230 00:11:36,360 --> 00:11:38,800 Speaker 2: to probably do a streamlined, kind of OVA ish version. 231 00:11:38,800 --> 00:11:40,600 Speaker 1: But yeah, extremely good stuff. 232 00:11:41,080 --> 00:11:44,080 Speaker 2: And we've kind of talked about the difference between those 233 00:11:44,120 --> 00:11:46,400 Speaker 2: big hitters like One Piece and these new weird are 234 00:11:46,400 --> 00:11:49,640 Speaker 2: more intrinsic, like your solo lever levelings or your jiu 235 00:11:49,679 --> 00:11:52,360 Speaker 2: jitsu couisans, where there's a lot more law, a lot 236 00:11:52,400 --> 00:11:55,000 Speaker 2: more weird stuff to deal with. So with all of 237 00:11:55,040 --> 00:11:58,880 Speaker 2: that said, what's your first big takeaway from twenty twenty five. 238 00:12:00,120 --> 00:12:01,679 Speaker 3: Well, we touched on it when we were going through 239 00:12:01,679 --> 00:12:05,560 Speaker 3: that Netflix top list, But I think nostalgia is still 240 00:12:05,559 --> 00:12:08,640 Speaker 3: incredibly important when it comes to your shows like Naruto, 241 00:12:09,160 --> 00:12:11,480 Speaker 3: when it comes to studio ghibli films which many of 242 00:12:11,600 --> 00:12:14,800 Speaker 3: us grew up watching, our comfort films for us are 243 00:12:14,880 --> 00:12:16,880 Speaker 3: even holiday films for many of us, right. 244 00:12:20,200 --> 00:12:20,760 Speaker 2: For sure. 245 00:12:22,200 --> 00:12:25,839 Speaker 3: And again Pokemon one piece. These are long running franchises 246 00:12:25,920 --> 00:12:30,640 Speaker 3: that many people who are maybe in middle age grew 247 00:12:30,720 --> 00:12:33,079 Speaker 3: up with us kids, and so they are still watching that, 248 00:12:33,400 --> 00:12:36,120 Speaker 3: still consuming them exactly. Now, we got that money to 249 00:12:36,160 --> 00:12:38,600 Speaker 3: spend all that merch whenever we want, exactly, we don't 250 00:12:38,600 --> 00:12:40,439 Speaker 3: have to save up our allowances to buy one fucking 251 00:12:40,520 --> 00:12:41,480 Speaker 3: plushy of Pikachu. 252 00:12:42,200 --> 00:12:44,320 Speaker 1: Well, it depends what watchy. 253 00:12:44,880 --> 00:12:47,280 Speaker 3: That's so true. I'm still saving up money for some 254 00:12:49,800 --> 00:12:52,040 Speaker 3: So I think take away number one for me here 255 00:12:52,040 --> 00:12:54,040 Speaker 3: looking at some of this data and some of these 256 00:12:54,080 --> 00:12:57,760 Speaker 3: trends from twenty twenty five, nostalgia is still incredibly important. 257 00:12:57,840 --> 00:13:01,480 Speaker 3: If there is an established, long running eyep that folks 258 00:13:01,480 --> 00:13:03,959 Speaker 3: were attached to as children, they're still attached to them 259 00:13:03,960 --> 00:13:04,640 Speaker 3: now as adults. 260 00:13:04,840 --> 00:13:06,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, to completely agree. 261 00:13:06,280 --> 00:13:09,480 Speaker 2: I think nostalgia and name brand recognition are a big 262 00:13:09,520 --> 00:13:13,520 Speaker 2: part of why anime is making that crossovers, because people 263 00:13:13,520 --> 00:13:15,000 Speaker 2: are going, oh, I've heard of that. Oh, but I 264 00:13:15,040 --> 00:13:16,760 Speaker 2: know what bleaches, I know what one piece is. 265 00:13:16,840 --> 00:13:18,800 Speaker 1: Doesn't one piece? I have a thousand chapters. How do 266 00:13:18,840 --> 00:13:21,040 Speaker 1: you read it? No, Ruto doesn't it? 267 00:13:21,080 --> 00:13:23,920 Speaker 2: You know, those kind of cultural conversations have moved from 268 00:13:24,040 --> 00:13:26,800 Speaker 2: just the playground to I would say like our space 269 00:13:26,880 --> 00:13:29,800 Speaker 2: on podcasts and also probably most importantly to widening these 270 00:13:29,880 --> 00:13:33,120 Speaker 2: viewership's YouTube. I think, like so much of my nephew 271 00:13:33,160 --> 00:13:36,480 Speaker 2: loves the law of Chainsawman. He loves Chainsawman. He has 272 00:13:36,559 --> 00:13:38,840 Speaker 2: the plush of the dog. He's always telling me about 273 00:13:38,840 --> 00:13:41,320 Speaker 2: the different demon fights. I've never gotten him to sit 274 00:13:41,360 --> 00:13:44,040 Speaker 2: down and watch one episode, like a whole episode, because. 275 00:13:43,800 --> 00:13:46,959 Speaker 1: He can learn YouTube. Yeah, he can see all the clips. 276 00:13:47,360 --> 00:13:50,360 Speaker 2: This is like my biggest takeaway of just culturally twenty 277 00:13:50,400 --> 00:13:52,160 Speaker 2: twenty five is like kids love to. 278 00:13:52,120 --> 00:13:54,920 Speaker 1: Watch other people tell them about stuff that they. 279 00:13:54,960 --> 00:13:58,040 Speaker 2: Like, and so like, it's kind of crazy to see 280 00:13:58,080 --> 00:14:00,360 Speaker 2: even in that kind of ten year old the eleven 281 00:14:00,440 --> 00:14:03,640 Speaker 2: year old space, they are being set up to enjoy 282 00:14:03,679 --> 00:14:05,880 Speaker 2: this as they get older because they are getting an 283 00:14:05,960 --> 00:14:07,920 Speaker 2: understanding of what it is the kind of stories they 284 00:14:07,920 --> 00:14:10,080 Speaker 2: can see, and then they can go, oh, yeah, I 285 00:14:10,080 --> 00:14:10,880 Speaker 2: know chainsaw Man. 286 00:14:10,960 --> 00:14:11,600 Speaker 1: You've seen that. 287 00:14:11,559 --> 00:14:14,600 Speaker 2: Little orange cute dog, but cheat that you know, so 288 00:14:14,640 --> 00:14:16,400 Speaker 2: I think that is a really good one. 289 00:14:16,640 --> 00:14:18,360 Speaker 1: Second biggest takeaway. 290 00:14:18,840 --> 00:14:20,800 Speaker 3: Okay, so I can take away from me. I think 291 00:14:20,840 --> 00:14:23,520 Speaker 3: shown in Remains King, Sure, a lot of the names 292 00:14:23,600 --> 00:14:28,320 Speaker 3: we've been dropping here are your classically shown in animes 293 00:14:28,360 --> 00:14:31,360 Speaker 3: Damon Selayer at tak On Titan Solo Leveling, which won 294 00:14:31,400 --> 00:14:34,360 Speaker 3: the twenty twenty five Anime of the Year the Crunchy 295 00:14:34,400 --> 00:14:39,400 Speaker 3: Role Awards. Is your extremely generic. I think I'm kind 296 00:14:39,400 --> 00:14:42,520 Speaker 3: of a solo level hate level hater, but sure. 297 00:14:42,560 --> 00:14:43,360 Speaker 1: I love you know what. 298 00:14:43,440 --> 00:14:46,960 Speaker 2: I love the books. I love the Webtoon original. I 299 00:14:47,000 --> 00:14:49,760 Speaker 2: was really into it. Super fun to see him raise up. 300 00:14:49,840 --> 00:14:50,320 Speaker 1: I think that. 301 00:14:50,520 --> 00:14:53,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, the show is very like it's a very op 302 00:14:53,280 --> 00:14:54,000 Speaker 2: type situation. 303 00:14:54,080 --> 00:14:54,480 Speaker 1: It's hard. 304 00:14:54,560 --> 00:14:57,360 Speaker 2: It's like their growth is not necessarily there in the 305 00:14:57,360 --> 00:15:01,640 Speaker 2: same way it fell in the book Huge Show, Beautiful Anime, 306 00:15:01,720 --> 00:15:05,160 Speaker 2: showing show, huge show again, Like you said, shownan is 307 00:15:05,240 --> 00:15:07,280 Speaker 2: essentially for people who are listening to this because they 308 00:15:07,320 --> 00:15:09,800 Speaker 2: don't watch as much of that anime as me and 309 00:15:09,840 --> 00:15:11,160 Speaker 2: a bo It's basically like action. 310 00:15:11,800 --> 00:15:12,680 Speaker 1: It's what would have been. 311 00:15:13,040 --> 00:15:14,280 Speaker 3: They're typically action. 312 00:15:14,600 --> 00:15:18,520 Speaker 2: Oriented, usually in the past towards like Boys Comic Magazine, 313 00:15:18,640 --> 00:15:20,400 Speaker 2: which is how many of these were coming out. 314 00:15:20,560 --> 00:15:23,160 Speaker 3: So we centered around like a power fantasy, like a 315 00:15:23,240 --> 00:15:26,480 Speaker 3: chosen one rising up to the occasion, growing stronger, that 316 00:15:26,600 --> 00:15:27,080 Speaker 3: sort of thing. 317 00:15:27,240 --> 00:15:27,840 Speaker 1: Yeah. 318 00:15:27,880 --> 00:15:30,600 Speaker 2: Another one that you noted down that I love and 319 00:15:30,640 --> 00:15:32,120 Speaker 2: I think is a big one because I've just been 320 00:15:32,120 --> 00:15:35,640 Speaker 2: putting together our most Anticipated Anime for twenty twenty six 321 00:15:35,760 --> 00:15:39,560 Speaker 2: list at IGN, and obviously we're voting on it, so 322 00:15:39,600 --> 00:15:41,600 Speaker 2: we voted on that. We're still voting on best of 323 00:15:41,640 --> 00:15:44,480 Speaker 2: twenty twenty five. It's like a very rigorous process. But 324 00:15:44,560 --> 00:15:47,000 Speaker 2: I was surprised by how much of what everyone is 325 00:15:47,040 --> 00:15:49,880 Speaker 2: looking forward to in twenty twenty six it's just returning seasons. 326 00:15:50,200 --> 00:15:52,960 Speaker 2: And that was the same this year too. Apocryphy. Yes, 327 00:15:53,800 --> 00:15:57,680 Speaker 2: you know, we had Apocrat season two. We had the 328 00:15:57,720 --> 00:16:00,520 Speaker 2: Sacomo of Days being released in parts one and two, 329 00:16:00,560 --> 00:16:02,200 Speaker 2: so it really felt like by the time we got 330 00:16:02,240 --> 00:16:06,080 Speaker 2: the second half of that season, that was your secondary 331 00:16:06,200 --> 00:16:09,960 Speaker 2: thing we had. Obviously, one of the biggest shows that 332 00:16:10,000 --> 00:16:13,480 Speaker 2: we are anticipating is the new series of uh freer In, 333 00:16:13,640 --> 00:16:17,120 Speaker 2: which has been like a huge, huge hit, and again 334 00:16:17,720 --> 00:16:20,520 Speaker 2: was my anime of twenty twenty five. I was gonna say, so, 335 00:16:20,960 --> 00:16:23,720 Speaker 2: the thing I think that's interesting is, yeah, shownan is King. 336 00:16:23,760 --> 00:16:26,320 Speaker 2: We're still getting a lot of these power fantasy stories, 337 00:16:26,640 --> 00:16:30,120 Speaker 2: but unexpected little gems like. 338 00:16:30,160 --> 00:16:35,480 Speaker 4: Freer In, Delicious, Redunngeans By Family, whether they're able to 339 00:16:35,520 --> 00:16:39,240 Speaker 4: bring in the weirdness and strangeness and cultural mares of 340 00:16:39,320 --> 00:16:41,280 Speaker 4: Japanese storytelling. 341 00:16:41,000 --> 00:16:45,960 Speaker 2: That are more specific. Kind of like when Bong Jun, 342 00:16:46,000 --> 00:16:48,200 Speaker 2: who was so direct to Bong, he was so shocked 343 00:16:48,200 --> 00:16:50,080 Speaker 2: that parasite was such a huge chick because he felt 344 00:16:50,120 --> 00:16:53,000 Speaker 2: like it was so specific. I think oftentimes those are 345 00:16:53,000 --> 00:16:55,480 Speaker 2: the stories that really hit. Even a Demon Slayer attack 346 00:16:55,520 --> 00:16:58,280 Speaker 2: on Titan, those are based very heavily in a Japanese 347 00:16:58,320 --> 00:17:00,440 Speaker 2: style of storytelling that really great people. 348 00:17:00,640 --> 00:17:03,600 Speaker 1: But now Shonan is out there. It's the big thing. 349 00:17:03,640 --> 00:17:05,639 Speaker 1: We know it. We know Dragon Ball, you know, you 350 00:17:05,640 --> 00:17:06,840 Speaker 1: have your your your. 351 00:17:06,680 --> 00:17:08,840 Speaker 2: Magical girls like Sailor Moon, you know these kind of 352 00:17:09,040 --> 00:17:12,520 Speaker 2: spaces and archetypes. But now you're freerans, which is this 353 00:17:12,640 --> 00:17:17,280 Speaker 2: really existential, incredible questing fantasy kind of about the aftermath 354 00:17:17,320 --> 00:17:19,919 Speaker 2: of what happens when you win the war, Right, It's like, 355 00:17:20,400 --> 00:17:25,160 Speaker 2: what an incredible concept. Delicious in Dungeon a questing team 356 00:17:25,200 --> 00:17:26,960 Speaker 2: who decided they're going to go through the dungeons and 357 00:17:27,000 --> 00:17:28,840 Speaker 2: just cook them monsters and eat them. It's one of 358 00:17:28,920 --> 00:17:32,440 Speaker 2: the best most inventive food anime ever. And now you're 359 00:17:32,560 --> 00:17:36,479 Speaker 2: readiest and prettiest. It's so gorgeous. I know, super produced. 360 00:17:36,520 --> 00:17:38,960 Speaker 2: Aaron really wants a live action Delicious in Dungeon. I 361 00:17:39,000 --> 00:17:41,280 Speaker 2: would love to see it. I would also just say 362 00:17:42,680 --> 00:17:47,000 Speaker 2: I think like culturally now we are in a space 363 00:17:47,200 --> 00:17:55,719 Speaker 2: where these things are so heavily merchandised that that also helps, 364 00:17:55,760 --> 00:17:58,359 Speaker 2: Like you can go into Target and people are learning 365 00:17:58,400 --> 00:18:00,760 Speaker 2: about new anime from stuff they see on T shirts. 366 00:18:00,800 --> 00:18:03,120 Speaker 2: I took my friend Nie recently, who's a big Spy 367 00:18:03,320 --> 00:18:07,120 Speaker 2: X Family fan, a Spy Family fan, big Anya fan, 368 00:18:07,280 --> 00:18:10,320 Speaker 2: like we all are. We went to a Spy Family 369 00:18:11,080 --> 00:18:13,719 Speaker 2: Marcher collab that they had in LA where they did 370 00:18:13,800 --> 00:18:16,080 Speaker 2: like Spy Family frame drinks and there were tons of 371 00:18:16,080 --> 00:18:18,439 Speaker 2: people there who shown up for it and not just 372 00:18:18,680 --> 00:18:19,919 Speaker 2: you know, when I was young and used to go 373 00:18:19,920 --> 00:18:22,280 Speaker 2: to these events, it would be like in Thelita costumes 374 00:18:22,359 --> 00:18:24,200 Speaker 2: or you're doing like a little you got the anime 375 00:18:24,320 --> 00:18:26,879 Speaker 2: wig and the Naruto headband or whatever. 376 00:18:27,080 --> 00:18:28,600 Speaker 1: But that is not the case now. 377 00:18:28,600 --> 00:18:32,360 Speaker 2: Like a lot of just normal TV viewers and family. 378 00:18:32,160 --> 00:18:35,760 Speaker 3: Unique Spy Family drops sell out like right away. I 379 00:18:35,880 --> 00:18:37,480 Speaker 3: still have not been able to get my hands on 380 00:18:37,520 --> 00:18:39,600 Speaker 3: a unique low drop from for the Spy Family. 381 00:18:39,720 --> 00:18:40,600 Speaker 1: Actually, I think. 382 00:18:40,840 --> 00:18:43,600 Speaker 2: I'm glad you brought up Unicloth though, because definitely if 383 00:18:43,640 --> 00:18:45,840 Speaker 2: you are an anime fan, that is the best place 384 00:18:45,880 --> 00:18:47,920 Speaker 2: to get anime T shirt, So that's just a tip 385 00:18:47,960 --> 00:18:50,720 Speaker 2: for us, but the fact that that sells out, there's 386 00:18:50,760 --> 00:18:52,679 Speaker 2: a lot of people who love that. I remember I 387 00:18:52,720 --> 00:18:56,400 Speaker 2: got a tech On King creet shirt from Unicloe years ago, 388 00:18:56,440 --> 00:18:58,720 Speaker 2: one of the first kind of Right Rangers they did. 389 00:18:59,320 --> 00:19:01,680 Speaker 2: So yeah, it's it's really special time to get to 390 00:19:01,680 --> 00:19:05,760 Speaker 2: see so many different people enjoying anime and also understanding 391 00:19:05,800 --> 00:19:10,040 Speaker 2: because of anime that there is an all ages appeal 392 00:19:10,560 --> 00:19:14,400 Speaker 2: for animation. That when I did State of Animation piece 393 00:19:14,400 --> 00:19:17,280 Speaker 2: for IGN I believe in twenty twenty four, and it 394 00:19:17,359 --> 00:19:22,440 Speaker 2: was mostly just adult animation people from America saying if 395 00:19:22,480 --> 00:19:26,840 Speaker 2: people didn't watch anime, they wouldn't understand any of the 396 00:19:26,840 --> 00:19:31,280 Speaker 2: shows we're making. And we can say, because anime has 397 00:19:31,320 --> 00:19:33,919 Speaker 2: an audience of adults, we can make a show like 398 00:19:33,960 --> 00:19:37,000 Speaker 2: Invincible and say the audience will understand this, and the 399 00:19:37,000 --> 00:19:39,320 Speaker 2: audience will know this is not Disney, you know. 400 00:19:39,600 --> 00:19:42,480 Speaker 1: So I think that, you know, we talked about showing it. 401 00:19:42,480 --> 00:19:45,320 Speaker 3: It's hard to break through the Disney perception of what 402 00:19:45,440 --> 00:19:49,000 Speaker 3: animation American United States, absolutely. 403 00:19:48,359 --> 00:19:50,760 Speaker 2: Because in England we've always had like at least some 404 00:19:51,000 --> 00:19:54,840 Speaker 2: weird animated films like Where the When the Wind Blows, 405 00:19:54,920 --> 00:19:56,680 Speaker 2: which is like is a kid's movie, but it's about 406 00:19:56,760 --> 00:20:00,080 Speaker 2: radioactive fallout and we so I do feel like the 407 00:20:00,080 --> 00:20:02,439 Speaker 2: the disnification of it makes so many people think, oh, 408 00:20:02,480 --> 00:20:03,480 Speaker 2: I don't like animation. 409 00:20:04,000 --> 00:20:06,200 Speaker 1: But the biggest and your final. 410 00:20:05,880 --> 00:20:09,800 Speaker 2: Takeaway is really like the appeal. And we talked about 411 00:20:09,800 --> 00:20:12,280 Speaker 2: this earlier, but the appeal is broadening and I think. 412 00:20:12,119 --> 00:20:12,960 Speaker 1: That's the best thing. 413 00:20:13,040 --> 00:20:15,719 Speaker 2: Anime is like any other type of TV, guys, And 414 00:20:15,720 --> 00:20:19,040 Speaker 2: in Japan it has been respected like this and understood 415 00:20:19,119 --> 00:20:21,679 Speaker 2: like this. Culturally, it's the same in different parts of Europe, 416 00:20:21,720 --> 00:20:25,199 Speaker 2: like France has a huge but like huge animation scene. Historically, 417 00:20:25,640 --> 00:20:29,760 Speaker 2: there are always animation movies and shows that adults can enjoy. 418 00:20:30,040 --> 00:20:31,439 Speaker 1: And I don't just mean because they're men. 419 00:20:31,800 --> 00:20:34,120 Speaker 3: I will say, like in twenty twenty five, going into 420 00:20:34,160 --> 00:20:36,919 Speaker 3: twenty twenty six, if you don't think you're an anime 421 00:20:37,000 --> 00:20:39,520 Speaker 3: fan because there isn't an anime out there that speaks 422 00:20:39,520 --> 00:20:42,240 Speaker 3: to you, I can guarantee you you're wrong. You're just 423 00:20:42,280 --> 00:20:44,600 Speaker 3: not looking in the right places, or you haven't found 424 00:20:44,640 --> 00:20:47,200 Speaker 3: it yet, someone hasn't recommended it to you yet. There 425 00:20:47,240 --> 00:20:50,960 Speaker 3: are anime for every type of TV and movie watcher 426 00:20:51,000 --> 00:20:54,360 Speaker 3: out there now, whatever your genre, whatever your style, your 427 00:20:54,480 --> 00:20:57,120 Speaker 3: whatever themes speak to you exactly. An anime out there 428 00:20:57,119 --> 00:20:59,960 Speaker 3: for it. Now it's really longer a no longer shows 429 00:21:00,320 --> 00:21:03,000 Speaker 3: just made for like boys who love watching people beat 430 00:21:03,000 --> 00:21:03,480 Speaker 3: each other up. 431 00:21:04,520 --> 00:21:06,399 Speaker 2: And even though we do we all we all do 432 00:21:06,480 --> 00:21:09,959 Speaker 2: love But I agree with you and I love that. 433 00:21:10,040 --> 00:21:11,840 Speaker 1: I think that's a perfect place for us to end. 434 00:21:12,119 --> 00:21:14,360 Speaker 2: But yeah, guys, I'm just gonna back up what Boo said, 435 00:21:14,400 --> 00:21:16,639 Speaker 2: because there is so much anime out there. One of 436 00:21:16,640 --> 00:21:20,560 Speaker 2: my favorite shows is Degashy Cashi, which is on Hulu. 437 00:21:20,840 --> 00:21:24,520 Speaker 2: It's literally just a show about kids running a candy 438 00:21:24,560 --> 00:21:27,680 Speaker 2: store that but each episode is also about the history 439 00:21:27,720 --> 00:21:31,080 Speaker 2: of whatever candy they eat, so it is like, that's 440 00:21:31,119 --> 00:21:34,120 Speaker 2: how niche you're getting, Like you can really find there's 441 00:21:34,160 --> 00:21:37,840 Speaker 2: anime about people making comic books. There's anime about soccer. 442 00:21:37,920 --> 00:21:40,280 Speaker 2: We didn't even get into sports anime because right now. 443 00:21:40,119 --> 00:21:41,080 Speaker 1: It's not a huge thing. 444 00:21:42,640 --> 00:21:46,880 Speaker 2: My god, luck, I mean, so come into basically, come 445 00:21:46,920 --> 00:21:48,840 Speaker 2: into the discord and at me in a boo and 446 00:21:48,840 --> 00:21:51,879 Speaker 2: we will recommend you anime as soon as we see it. 447 00:21:51,920 --> 00:21:53,560 Speaker 1: But yeah, aboo, thank you so much for joining me. 448 00:21:53,600 --> 00:21:56,919 Speaker 2: This was wonderful and yeah, just the just the lovely 449 00:21:56,960 --> 00:22:00,520 Speaker 2: time guys, thank you so much, and Happy Holiday, hey guys, 450 00:22:00,600 --> 00:22:08,720 Speaker 2: and stay safe this season. 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