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Speaker 1: I'm Charlie Pellot, Stocks rallying SMP five hundred index trading

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Speaker 1: at our record. We do hear from Alcola after the

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Speaker 1: closing Belle Alca shares up now by two point three percent.

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Speaker 1: Here's where aquities stand. We've got the SMP five hundred

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Speaker 1: index up ten forty a gain of five tenths of

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Speaker 1: Ten year down nineteen thirty seconds, with the yield of

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Speaker 1: one point four two percent. Gold down a dollar seventy

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Speaker 1: thirteen fifty six the ounce, a drop there of point

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Speaker 1: one percent. And crude oil West Texas Intermediate now at

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Speaker 1: forty five oh two down thirty eight cents, a drop

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Speaker 1: of nine tenths of one percent. I'm Charlie Pellots done.

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Speaker 1: That's a Bloomberg business flash. You're listening to taking stock

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Speaker 1: with Kathleen Hayes and Pim Fox on Bloomberg Radio. Well,

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Speaker 1: Alcohol reporting today after the bell and officially kicking off

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Speaker 1: earning season. We want to get right to what is expected,

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Speaker 1: how this company is faring, and certainly it's a spinoff,

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Speaker 1: it's becoming two companies. Where does that stand down does

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Speaker 1: that mean for investors? Anthony Young joins us now Metals

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Speaker 1: and Mining analysts for mcquarie. Anthony, welcome to the show.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for having me, guys, so set the table for us.

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Speaker 1: You're an analyst. You're waiting so closely to see or

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Speaker 1: watching so closely to see what happens with Alcohol. What's

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Speaker 1: at the top of your list? Well, I mean this

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Speaker 1: quarter is somewhat unique given the split at the company

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Speaker 1: is going to be occurring at the company, So the

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Speaker 1: split will pay a major factor in this earnings release.

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Speaker 1: UM investors looking for further details on that, but then

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Speaker 1: also fundamentally UM trying to figure out, you know, what's

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Speaker 1: going on with the aluminium business and what's going on

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Speaker 1: with the downstream or their industrials business, and looking at

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Speaker 1: the UM drivers that are impacting that and the profitability

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Speaker 1: if they're able to generate in those two companies once

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Speaker 1: they split. Anthony, tell us the details about these two companies,

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Speaker 1: what are they going to do and is this also

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Speaker 1: beneficial for investors? Well, I think it will be beneficial

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Speaker 1: for investors. You know. Uh, you do have this somewhat

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Speaker 1: of a conglomerate with Alcoa, and you have five divisions UM.

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Speaker 1: Two divisions on the upstream one that produces aluminum and alumina,

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Speaker 1: and then on the downstream UM you have the world

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Speaker 1: products and engineered um products and transportation and construction systems UM.

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Speaker 1: So to split these into two different companies, UM, I

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Speaker 1: think it will allow management to focus on cost cutting. UM.

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Speaker 1: It will also allow investors to have a better feel

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Speaker 1: on how the how each of these entities should be

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Speaker 1: valued separately. This is a very large picture question, but

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Speaker 1: I guess it's the kind of question where people are

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Speaker 1: gonna be waiting to here on the call from Alcoa.

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Speaker 1: A lot going on in the world and Brexit, for example,

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Speaker 1: some have contended that is going to cause a broader

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Speaker 1: slow down in Europe, which accounted for about of alcohol

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Speaker 1: is fisvenue. Yes, you know, I think that the Brexit

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Speaker 1: will be something that almost every company will probably address

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Speaker 1: as we go through earning season. And I'm sure a

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Speaker 1: lot of companies UM or some companies that miss earnings

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Speaker 1: very well may point to still down in business activity

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Speaker 1: UM surrounding that. But I think that when you look

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Speaker 1: at the commodity space right now, UM, a low interest

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Speaker 1: rate environment UM should be UM, you know, supportive to commodities. Also,

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Speaker 1: I think here in the US specifically UM, you know,

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Speaker 1: some of these other leading indicators, UM, there's a growing

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Speaker 1: picking up a little bit here over the coming orders.

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Speaker 1: What should lead to better demand particularly for some of

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Speaker 1: the industrial components that alcohol provides two things like the

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Speaker 1: aerospace and UM the power generation industries. Anthony, I know

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Speaker 1: that we're looking for what earnings per share to come

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Speaker 1: in for the second quarter of nine cents UH second

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Speaker 1: quarter revenue estimates about five and a quarter billion. And

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Speaker 1: one of as far as the split off goes, having

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Speaker 1: create a kind of cushion? You know, when one part

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Speaker 1: so that there's a balance. Why is splitting it up

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Speaker 1: the corporation. Well, you do have some advantages I think

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Speaker 1: with conglomerates, but I think when you have these two

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Speaker 1: UM you know, they're seemingly related, but they're also complete

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Speaker 1: distinct businesses UM, it should just allow for more of

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Speaker 1: a focus. I think that UM basically, instead of having

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Speaker 1: focus on positioning each of their businesses UH and the

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Speaker 1: best possible manner UM for where they should fit into

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Speaker 1: the supply chain with respect to UM, lightweight metals and

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Speaker 1: industrial components. So I think that they're Unfortunately for ALCOHOLAH,

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Speaker 1: there's a lot of work to be done here, but

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Speaker 1: I think that with two management teams that work can

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Speaker 1: be done more quickly than it could be under just

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Speaker 1: one roof. I think, can you give us an example

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Speaker 1: of a company is similar to all coal or not

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Speaker 1: who has done something like this where it failed or

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Speaker 1: why we should be doubtful this is going to work

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Speaker 1: or confident that it will. Yeah, you know, I think

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Speaker 1: when you think about succeeding or failing UM, whether it

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Speaker 1: business or the cash generation. You know, it's sort of

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Speaker 1: you have different metrics that you may look at. For example,

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Speaker 1: UM copper and met coal businesses. You know that the

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Speaker 1: South thirty two today just picked higher than the I

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Speaker 1: that equity, at least by the market, seems to be

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Speaker 1: UM more attractive now than it had been in the past.

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Speaker 1: it's not to say that UM Alcohol will split and

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Speaker 1: both stocks will immediately trade higher UM going into that event,

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Speaker 1: but I think that a split will again allow the

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Speaker 1: management teams to focus on the fundamentals and over time, um,

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Speaker 1: whether that's a quarter, six months, or two years down

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Speaker 1: the road, it will be better for investors. Thank you

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Speaker 1: very much for spending time with us. Anthony Young is

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Speaker 1: medals and mining analysts for mcquarie, speaking about ALCA. They

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Speaker 1: will be reporting earnings after the close of trading today.

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