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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, a prairie village woman seemingly

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Speaker 1: I me, Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. Thank you

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Speaker 1: for being with us here at Fox Nation and series

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Speaker 1: XM one eleven. First of all, take a listen to

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Speaker 1: our friends at Fox for Kansas City neighbors safe. Angela

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Speaker 1: Green was devoted to her daughter and to her neighborhood

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Speaker 1: near seventy sixth and all. When she wasn't out gardening

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Speaker 1: hoping to clean them up. When the summer came up

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Speaker 1: and they thought maybe she had gone to Please say,

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Speaker 1: the native of China hasn't been seen since June nineteenth

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Speaker 1: and was just reported missing by someone last week, eight

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Speaker 1: months later, eight months later. That's like Humpty Dumpty. All

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Speaker 1: the King's horses and all the King's men couldn't put

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Speaker 1: Humpty together again time and a missing person's case is

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Speaker 1: of the essence. We've heard the stat a million times before.

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Speaker 1: Very often a kidnapped person can be killed within the

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Speaker 1: first seventy two hours. That's why they're so critical. And

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Speaker 1: think about it. If someone has been kidnapped sixty mp

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Speaker 1: eight with every hour, they could be getting further and

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Speaker 1: And now we find out there's an eight month delay. Well,

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Speaker 1: I think I know why there was an eight month delay,

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Speaker 1: and I'll start to make sense of what we know

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Speaker 1: associate editor of Kansas City Magazine. She is the one

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Speaker 1: that brought this to my attention through an essay she

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Speaker 1: it on the Kansas citymag dot com website. You know,

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Speaker 1: Mary Ann, thank you for being with us. Jordan Us

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Speaker 1: from Kansas City. Mary. A lot of people are wondering

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Speaker 1: why there was an eight month delay in reporting Angela missing.

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Speaker 1: But I want to go back to something that we

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Speaker 1: It was pointed out and I'm not really sure why,

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Speaker 1: I mean, I'm looking right now at photos you Mary

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Speaker 1: These You could change the faces in these phoes and

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Speaker 1: it would be meet with the twins, one or two

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Speaker 1: got her baby, Ellie on her chest right after she's

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Speaker 1: a woman who spent many, many years and created a

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Speaker 1: coming here and assimilating and having a child here in

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Speaker 1: the US. That little girl now Ellie, Right, So, Matthew said, Angela,

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Speaker 1: you know, she's been in the United States for more

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Speaker 1: I'm thinking about the neighbors Mary hann and let me

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Speaker 1: go to you Karen Start, Karen start and joining me

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Speaker 1: or known psychologists joining us from Manhattan. You can find

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Speaker 1: see Karen Um. Nice to have you joined yesterday. As always,

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Speaker 1: I agree with almost everything you say, but let me

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Speaker 1: I blast neighbors that they're like the monkeys. See no

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Speaker 1: it doesn't make sense to me, Nancy. I think the

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Speaker 1: I'm in pure anguish. They seem to be doing fine

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Speaker 1: problem with so how many chirping children were there? Uhha,

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Speaker 1: So neither one of us were right, But I was closer.

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Speaker 1: I was closer. I want my imaginary dollar, Jackie. So

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Speaker 1: I'm trying to figure out why the neighbors wouldn't have

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Speaker 1: Karen stark And that's why I threw this to you,

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Speaker 1: because you're the shrink. I think people don't want to

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Speaker 1: A lot of people want to just live. You know that,

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Speaker 1: I'm unhappy. They don't want to know something bad is

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Speaker 1: Let me be blunt. They don't want to be bothered.

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Speaker 1: Carson is joining me, high profile lawyer out of Jacksonville.

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Speaker 1: This is something I really like about Dell Carson. Not

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Speaker 1: only does he know the law although you're totally on

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Speaker 1: the FBI. He's the author of a rest proof yourself

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Speaker 1: and you can find him at Dell Carson law dot com.

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Speaker 1: I've got to give the neighbors another break because when

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Speaker 1: neighbors don't want to notice anything is wrong. Well, that's true,

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Speaker 1: PI private investigator at Dan Coorsenttino dot com. Dan, you know,

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Speaker 1: it's one thing to lose someone you love. That's bad enough,

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Speaker 1: But to live, Dan Corcentino, And you've seen this a

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Speaker 1: that's just got to be awful. Well, there's never closure,

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Speaker 1: and they become eternal victims in themselves. That's self perpetuating

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Speaker 1: seen Angela Green to contact them. She's a five foot

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Speaker 1: nine inches tall Asian woman, one hundred and sixteen pounds

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Speaker 1: with brown hair and brown eyes. You can call the

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Speaker 1: Prairie Village Police Department here or the Crime Stoppers Tips

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Speaker 1: hot line at eight one six four seven four tips.

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Speaker 1: You know, I love what that neighbor said. I guarantee

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Speaker 1: you she did not have a stroke. Did you hear

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Speaker 1: the neighbors say that, Jack, I guarantee you she did

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00:29:13,600 --> 00:29:19,400
Speaker 1: not have a stroke. You know, very often when I

435
00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:23,760
Speaker 1: argue to juries, I asked them to use their common sense.

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00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:30,960
Speaker 1: Nobody believes this woman had a stroke. Can I tell

437
00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:35,080
Speaker 1: you there's always a trail if you know where to look.

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Speaker 1: Take a listen to our friends at the Kansas City

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Speaker 1: Star speaking to Ellie Greene. My mom's family asked me

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00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:46,880
Speaker 1: for a death certificate, so I went to Tubeka and

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00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:55,200
Speaker 1: I as if they could find one, and he said

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00:29:55,240 --> 00:29:59,760
Speaker 1: that there wasn't any record of her death. There was

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00:29:59,800 --> 00:30:02,160
Speaker 1: an any record of her death in the state of Kansas.

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Speaker 1: Because I knew when there was no death certificate that

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00:30:05,320 --> 00:30:08,880
Speaker 1: my stomach sank and something was wrong. But then I

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00:30:08,920 --> 00:30:11,840
Speaker 1: went to the police. I filed on missing this person's report.

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00:30:12,920 --> 00:30:16,160
Speaker 1: I wish I had closure to this. I don't believe

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00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:19,920
Speaker 1: she's alive anymore. I think she would reach out to me,

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00:30:21,360 --> 00:30:24,120
Speaker 1: have some sort of contact with me, there would be

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00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:28,760
Speaker 1: some trace of her somewhere, Like she wouldn't just leave

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00:30:28,840 --> 00:30:33,000
Speaker 1: home without her driver's license or passport or phone or car.

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00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:53,880
Speaker 1: That seems really strange to me. Prime stories with Nancy

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Speaker 1: Grace to Mayhan, associate editor or Kansas City Magazine, you

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00:31:05,360 --> 00:31:13,400
Speaker 1: can't have a legal cremation without a death certificate. That

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00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:18,560
Speaker 1: that's against the law. That is against the law. Who

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00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:21,520
Speaker 1: declared her dad? Where was she supposed to have died?

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00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:27,320
Speaker 1: Was there an autopsy? Was she in a medical hospital?

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00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:36,800
Speaker 1: Is there any trace of Angela to suggest she really

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Speaker 1: passed away, that she really was cremated, that there was

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Speaker 1: ever a death certificate? Yeah, there's there's no trace, Nancy,

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00:31:46,040 --> 00:31:48,880
Speaker 1: No death certificate for Angela Green was found in the

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Speaker 1: state of Kansas or in the entire US. No death

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00:31:53,800 --> 00:31:57,600
Speaker 1: certificate exists for Angela Green. Are you sure? Yes? That was?

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Speaker 1: I mean that was according to police. They they investigated

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Speaker 1: that after Ellie went on her own and searched for

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Speaker 1: a death certificate for a mother in the state of Kansas,

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00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:12,120
Speaker 1: there wasn't one, And then later police did a nationwide

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00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:15,520
Speaker 1: search for a death certificate and there was not one.

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Speaker 1: Take a listen to our French Roy Honeycutt Fox four.

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00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:22,640
Speaker 1: Green also told his daughter's Angela's ashes were delivered to

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Speaker 1: the home, but he never made arrangements to have her cremated.

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00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:28,200
Speaker 1: In another call, Ellie points that out to her dad.

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Speaker 1: Did you look into a death certificate after mom passed away?

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00:32:32,280 --> 00:32:36,680
Speaker 1: After you got that phone call? So I figured that

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Speaker 1: when the time came to where a death certificate was needed,

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Speaker 1: and that could have been the taxes. Well, the death

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00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:46,720
Speaker 1: sertificate is needed when you cremate somebody. Yeah, but I

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00:32:46,760 --> 00:32:48,600
Speaker 1: don't know that I need to get a death certificate

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00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:53,120
Speaker 1: for crema that all works, and you chose not to

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00:32:53,320 --> 00:32:58,000
Speaker 1: look it up and research anything about it. Funeral directors

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00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:01,200
Speaker 1: say they won't make that decision for a family. They can't.

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Speaker 1: Is there ever an instance in Kansas where someone could

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Speaker 1: be cremated leasally without a cremator's permit? No, funeral holmes

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00:33:09,520 --> 00:33:12,640
Speaker 1: want to make incrematories want to make sure number one,

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00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:15,720
Speaker 1: they have a correct body, that the family does want

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Speaker 1: the cremation, and they obviously don't want to cremate someone

487
00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:23,080
Speaker 1: where the person who has authority to make those decisions

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Speaker 1: is signing off on it. Back to Mary Hint, joining

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Speaker 1: us from Kansas City, Mary. That is actually the husband,

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Speaker 1: Jeff's voice. How was that obtained? That was husband Jeff

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00:33:36,680 --> 00:33:40,800
Speaker 1: Green speaking to the daughter Ellie. Correct, Yes, Yes, that

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00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:45,800
Speaker 1: was a phone conversation or recorded phone conversation between Jeff

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Speaker 1: and Ellie. If you've been following this case, you know

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Speaker 1: that Jeff has from the beginning not said a word

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00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:56,920
Speaker 1: to police. So there aren't any recordings of Jeff, you know,

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Speaker 1: spechnically they're going on record. He has not done that.

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Speaker 1: Ellie did take the liberty the initiative to record her

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Speaker 1: phone calls with her father, and that's what you're hearing

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Speaker 1: there in that recording. So he's basically saying that someone

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Speaker 1: else just delivered the cremated remains, that he never asked

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Speaker 1: for his wife to be cremated. Yeah, that was sort

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Speaker 1: of a story that he apparently gave to his daughter Ellie,

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Speaker 1: that Angela had been cremated after her death after having

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Speaker 1: a stroke in the hospital. There was even an urn

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Speaker 1: in the family home, but later that urn was found

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Speaker 1: to be empty, and all the time he had implied

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00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:48,160
Speaker 1: that those were his wife's ashes, according to Ellie. Okay, okay,

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00:34:48,239 --> 00:34:50,399
Speaker 1: take a lesson hour cut nine, Fox four. In this

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00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:53,279
Speaker 1: text message that's never been made public. Jeff tells his

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00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:56,239
Speaker 1: daughter Ellie he has Angela taken to a mental health

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Speaker 1: facility to handoff to care workers. Happens in the parking

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Speaker 1: lot of a sue from market. However, later he says

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00:35:01,920 --> 00:35:05,400
Speaker 1: that never happened. You literally told me that she was

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00:35:05,520 --> 00:35:10,440
Speaker 1: not taking away in a public parking lot with people. Well,

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00:35:10,480 --> 00:35:12,200
Speaker 1: I thought that I was going to try and do that,

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00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:14,040
Speaker 1: and then I figured to that thing, not people the

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00:35:14,080 --> 00:35:16,839
Speaker 1: best thing. So I told her that I was going

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00:35:16,920 --> 00:35:19,279
Speaker 1: to have people come and pick her up and she

519
00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:21,920
Speaker 1: was going to go to the hospital. Anytime law enforcement

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00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:26,440
Speaker 1: looks at changing stories, it raises suspicion without evidence. I

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00:35:26,480 --> 00:35:29,040
Speaker 1: wouldn't dare say he did it, and I wouldn't say

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00:35:29,080 --> 00:35:32,319
Speaker 1: it's not possible. There's another explanation, del Carson joining me,

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00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:35,279
Speaker 1: former fed with the FBI, now high profile lawyer joining

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Speaker 1: me out of Jacksonville. Dell Carson. It's one thing to

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00:35:38,200 --> 00:35:41,919
Speaker 1: add to your story under the right questioning, I would

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00:35:41,960 --> 00:35:46,200
Speaker 1: assume facts would be added, But to change your story

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Speaker 1: as a whole other animal. No question that. When you're

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Speaker 1: interviewed by whoever it is, and you are giving answers

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Speaker 1: to reasonable questions and they're all turned around backwards. It's

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Speaker 1: as though the person asking the questions, why would you

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Speaker 1: ask me that question when you know what the answer

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00:36:07,719 --> 00:36:11,919
Speaker 1: is going to be and the answers are invalid. There's

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Speaker 1: no reason in the world to answer by saying she

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00:36:15,120 --> 00:36:18,600
Speaker 1: was taken away and then she died and we got

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00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:21,320
Speaker 1: her ashes. But we don't know where she was taken

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00:36:21,320 --> 00:36:25,160
Speaker 1: away too. We don't know how she was taken We

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00:36:25,239 --> 00:36:27,600
Speaker 1: don't know how she actually died. And as we know,

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00:36:28,040 --> 00:36:32,120
Speaker 1: I saying Dell Carson, she wasn't cremated. There's nothing in

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Speaker 1: that urn. Nothing, that's the fact. You know, Mary hen

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00:36:38,560 --> 00:36:43,520
Speaker 1: do they still does the father, Jeff Green, still live

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Speaker 1: in the same home that he was living in when

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00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:51,960
Speaker 1: his wife Angela had a stroke. Yeah, it's it's my knowledge.

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00:36:51,960 --> 00:36:55,640
Speaker 1: She is still living in their Prairie Village home and

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Speaker 1: kiss Um. You know, Dean Corsentino, did you hear what

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00:36:59,440 --> 00:37:02,080
Speaker 1: Mary Hena said? They need to be tearing that home

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00:37:02,160 --> 00:37:05,640
Speaker 1: up board by board. I agree, one hund. I think

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00:37:05,719 --> 00:37:10,280
Speaker 1: that's an investigation from the man of time. The past

548
00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:15,320
Speaker 1: of eight months has been inconclusive because the police haven't

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00:37:15,360 --> 00:37:20,080
Speaker 1: got in in the thorough search and I agree with that. Okay,

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00:37:20,440 --> 00:37:25,480
Speaker 1: is it true, Mary hen that at some point the husband,

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00:37:25,640 --> 00:37:29,960
Speaker 1: Jeff Green changes his story and says his wife ran

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00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:32,960
Speaker 1: away with another man. Maybe that's what happened. Yeah, so

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00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:37,560
Speaker 1: that's certainly what the information that I got from Ellie.

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00:37:37,760 --> 00:37:42,560
Speaker 1: So this whole time, his story has been changing, he's

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00:37:42,600 --> 00:37:49,040
Speaker 1: been changing the narrative, as you know, related to Ellie. Again,

556
00:37:49,239 --> 00:37:52,560
Speaker 1: he has refused to cooperate with law enforcement. So we

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00:37:52,640 --> 00:37:55,839
Speaker 1: don't have, you know, an official record of that, but

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00:37:56,040 --> 00:37:59,440
Speaker 1: we do have as you just played the recorded phone calls,

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00:37:59,480 --> 00:38:04,440
Speaker 1: we have text messages to Ellie, and it's very obvious

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00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:08,280
Speaker 1: that he has lied somewhere down the line that his story,

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00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:11,640
Speaker 1: you know, the very leads that his story has changed

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Speaker 1: several times. What was his story about her running away

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00:38:15,120 --> 00:38:20,320
Speaker 1: with another man? Yeah? He So after all of this

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00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:26,200
Speaker 1: sort of starts surfacing and Ellie and Angela's family kind

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00:38:26,200 --> 00:38:31,080
Speaker 1: of started digging for answers, Jeff starts to tell Ellie

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Speaker 1: that he might have seen Angela around their home in

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Speaker 1: Prairie Village at the end of twenty nineteen, that she

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00:38:38,200 --> 00:38:43,400
Speaker 1: ran off with friends, that she left the house, you know,

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Speaker 1: and that someone picked her up in a car. Wow.

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Speaker 1: You know what that sounds like, uh to you, Karen starts,

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Speaker 1: it sounds like exactly like what Drew Peterson said about

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Speaker 1: his fourth wife, Stacy Peterson, whose body has never been found.

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00:38:58,400 --> 00:39:01,440
Speaker 1: He was finally tried for them murder of his third wife,

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00:39:01,960 --> 00:39:09,200
Speaker 1: Kathleen Savio, who was found drowned in a bone dry bathtub.

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00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:14,759
Speaker 1: She was exhumed and jury convicted him of murder. But

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00:39:14,920 --> 00:39:20,200
Speaker 1: he also said that fourth wife Stacy just left on foot.

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00:39:20,239 --> 00:39:22,520
Speaker 1: A car came and got her. She left behind all

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Speaker 1: of her stuff, all of her clothes, everything, their children,

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Speaker 1: her children, to be with another man, and she's never

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00:39:29,160 --> 00:39:32,600
Speaker 1: been seen again. Well, Nancy, I mean, what makes sense

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Speaker 1: out of all of this? He changes his story over

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Speaker 1: and over again. Joy's a woman who doesn't leave the

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Speaker 1: house that much. I mean, everyone is saying she doesn't

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Speaker 1: like to go out. Her daughter says, and somehow after

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00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:52,840
Speaker 1: he said he's been committed, then she said when she

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00:39:53,000 --> 00:39:56,279
Speaker 1: left in a car with somebody else, there's no burnt,

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00:39:57,120 --> 00:39:58,920
Speaker 1: no death, So to give it none of it and

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00:39:59,120 --> 00:40:03,520
Speaker 1: is so conveni and that oh suddenly she has a boyfriend. Guys,

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Speaker 1: take a listen to our cut eleven. Our friend Dylan

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Speaker 1: Thomas at CBS four Colorado. This weekend, a new Miss

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Speaker 1: Colorado USA will be crowned right here on the stage

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00:40:12,360 --> 00:40:15,720
Speaker 1: behind me in Greeley. Each contestant comes with a unique

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Speaker 1: story and a different cause which they are backing. But

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Speaker 1: for one contestant, she says, this stage behind me will

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00:40:21,680 --> 00:40:24,120
Speaker 1: give her the opportunity to bring a voice to those

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Speaker 1: who no longer have one. Pageants they aren't for the

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Speaker 1: faint of heart, but for first time contestant Ellie Green,

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Speaker 1: the excitement and also the reasons I'm doing this, they

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Speaker 1: cancel out those nerves. The Miss Colorado USA pageant gives

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Speaker 1: contestants like Ellie a platform, a platform Ellie hopes to

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00:40:41,360 --> 00:40:44,360
Speaker 1: share with her mother. I'm advocating for my mom because

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00:40:44,360 --> 00:40:47,759
Speaker 1: she doesn't have a voice. She disappeared about two years

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00:40:47,760 --> 00:40:51,040
Speaker 1: ago and I still don't know where she is or

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00:40:51,080 --> 00:40:53,799
Speaker 1: what happened to her. Two years ago, Angela Green went

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Speaker 1: missing near Kansas City. Ellie's father told her Angela had

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Speaker 1: been unexpectedly hospitalized, later saying she had passed away, But

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00:41:01,960 --> 00:41:04,920
Speaker 1: then when no death record could be found, he changed

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Speaker 1: the story, saying Angelo was actually alive but had run away.

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00:41:09,400 --> 00:41:13,839
Speaker 1: Mary hen that proves that you can look as she does,

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Speaker 1: absolutely stunning and beautiful, like you've got the world at

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Speaker 1: your fate. Here she is competing in miss Colorado, and

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00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:25,600
Speaker 1: even as she is on the stage and all of

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00:41:25,640 --> 00:41:32,840
Speaker 1: her finery, she is missing her mother desperately. Why what

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Speaker 1: are police doing to solve the case? Mary? That's a

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00:41:36,880 --> 00:41:41,040
Speaker 1: great question, Nancy, And that's something that I've asked that

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Speaker 1: something Michelle Angela's needs has been asking that something Ellie

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Speaker 1: has been asking. They want answers, they want some closure,

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Speaker 1: and you know, I believe Prairie Village police said in

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Speaker 1: July twenty twenty that they had exhausted over two hundred

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00:42:00,920 --> 00:42:04,040
Speaker 1: leads and that the case was officially cold. Have they

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Speaker 1: torn apart of the house. Well, the thing about that

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00:42:06,680 --> 00:42:09,560
Speaker 1: is Jeff had multiple properties, so they did a search

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Speaker 1: of the Prairie Village home and later searched another home

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Speaker 1: that he had in Laurence. But there's some some questionable

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00:42:18,600 --> 00:42:21,880
Speaker 1: things kind of surrounding the search of that Lawrence property.

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Speaker 1: You know what, this case needs to be reopened. If

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Speaker 1: you have information, dial nine one three six four two

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Speaker 1: six eight six eight or Crime Stoppers eight one six

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Speaker 1: four seven four tips T I P S. Eight, four, seven, seven,

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Speaker 1: Where is Angela? Nancy Grace Crime Stories, signing off goodbye friend,