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Speaker 1: Mike Leach. Ironically, we spent an inordinate amount of time

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Speaker 1: And I talked about on Sanders the other night being

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Speaker 1: He was the head coach at Mississippi State. Those of

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Speaker 1: because you don't describe everyone in our sport like that.

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Speaker 1: But I'll give you my thoughts since everyone else has

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Speaker 1: All due respect, that's when he gained his national note

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Speaker 1: say Erk Russell from Georgia Southern should also have long

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Speaker 1: There's always going to be a market for a guy

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Speaker 1: who has started at quarterback at a place like Texas.

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Speaker 1: Also two guys who have found landing spots. Jaheim Bell

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Speaker 1: was the tight end formerly running back from South Carolina

431
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Speaker 1: that we told you about the other day, number one

432
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Speaker 1: tight end in the portal, really good pass catcher. Think

433
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Speaker 1: he found a good home. He committed to South Carolina

434
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Speaker 1: over Florida stand out of high school. He is now

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Speaker 1: going to Florida State. And that is one when you

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Speaker 1: combine it with Jordan Travis returning at quarterback and you

437
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Speaker 1: just start to think about how he could fit in

438
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Speaker 1: that offense, that Mike Norvel offense. I think he did

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Speaker 1: okay for himself. Another guy is Levannie de Mooney, the

440
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Speaker 1: linebacker from Stanford. You know, David Shaw just retired out there,

441
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Speaker 1: so probably you could see a few of those guys

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Speaker 1: move on. He moved on to Utah. He's six two

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Speaker 1: two forty one hundred and sixty two tackles in the

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Speaker 1: past two seasons. Here's what's funny. He had a twelve

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Speaker 1: tackle game against Utah this year, so they got an

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Speaker 1: up close and personal look at him all packed twelve

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Speaker 1: honorable mention. And again, that's a guy where when you

448
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Speaker 1: think of fit, you think of him plugging in to

449
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Speaker 1: Kyle Winningham system. There stands to reason they'll probably have

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Speaker 1: high expectation for him. He'll probably be on a lot

451
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Speaker 1: of preview magazines come let's say July or August. So

452
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Speaker 1: a lot's going on in the transfer portal. And remember

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Speaker 1: I was talking to a head coach yesterday, and there

454
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Speaker 1: continues to be the belief that we've seen the first

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Speaker 1: wave go in. There are some guys who are going

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Speaker 1: to go in the portal. I'm telling you this with

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Speaker 1: absolute one hundred and five percent certainty. There are guys

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Speaker 1: on high level bowl teams and playoff teams that are

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Speaker 1: going to wait until their season is over to enter

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Speaker 1: the transfer portal. I mean, I'm talking about kids. I'm

461
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Speaker 1: not singling anyone out. But if you've got kids playing

462
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Speaker 1: for Georgia or playing for whoever, TCU Michigan that intend

463
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Speaker 1: to enter the portal Penn State, they're not entering the

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Speaker 1: portal yet, that doesn't mean they're not going to. And

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Speaker 1: when you're talking about kids on those teams, you could

466
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Speaker 1: be talking about some high level players. Oh and by

467
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Speaker 1: the way, we also have a secondary fifteen day window

468
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Speaker 1: post spring, so just keep that on your radar. Always

469
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Speaker 1: on our radar around here is Academy Sports Outdoors. I

470
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Speaker 1: was just peeking over my shoulder to make sure the

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Speaker 1: logo was there because we're about to have Wilfong on

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Speaker 1: in a second, and I didn't want to point to

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Speaker 1: the TV screen saying there's your hookup and it's just

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Speaker 1: Wilffong just chilling in Indianapolis. Not that he doesn't have it,

475
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Speaker 1: but man, Academy Academy just has more shelf space than

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Speaker 1: Wilfong does. Academy Sports and Outdoors one stop shop for

477
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Speaker 1: especially this time of year, everything that you may need

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Speaker 1: and then some just peruse. Just walk up and down

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Speaker 1: the aisles. Think about Academy, and I don't know how

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Speaker 1: they do this. They always have the new store smell.

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Speaker 1: There's one down in Columbus that's been open for quite

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Speaker 1: a while now, and they still got the new store smell.

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Speaker 1: I can't say that about their competitors. Once upon a time,

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Speaker 1: I paid those folks a visit. Old store smell, new

485
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Speaker 1: store smell. Old store smell. Pick the new store smell,

486
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Speaker 1: better variety, better prices. Dare I say better people. They

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Speaker 1: didn't tell me to say that. I'm just freely saying

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Speaker 1: that First Amendment.

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Speaker 2: No.

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Speaker 1: So Academy Sports and Outdoors, you can't get there in person.

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Speaker 1: Make sure you go to Academy dot com. And look,

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Speaker 1: these people are miracle workers almost. But I can't have

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Speaker 1: you go into Academy dot com December twenty fourth and

494
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Speaker 1: get mad if the Christmas presents don't arrive on time.

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Speaker 1: So here we are. Let me reach in my pocket.

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Speaker 1: Hold on, I'm bringing my fock fucker for you. So

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Speaker 1: it is December thirteenth, right now. It's not too late, guys,

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Speaker 1: It's not too late, mom, Are you listening. I know

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Speaker 1: a lot of people force the women in their lives

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Speaker 1: to listen to this show, and quite frankly, we're proud

501
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Speaker 1: of our female audience retention metrics around here. To begin with,

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Speaker 1: there is a sizeable ladies of Pate State squad out there.

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Speaker 1: Just whoever's doing the shopping, just get it done and

504
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Speaker 1: get it done with academy sports and outdoors. That's best

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Speaker 1: advice I could give you this time of year. All right, Colin,

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Speaker 1: without further ado, I'm gonna take a sip out of

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Speaker 1: the chalice. I want you to tell me in my ear.

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Speaker 1: Are we ready? Okay? We are already? All right? Sorry,

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Speaker 1: I haveb issues, you're wax and whatnot? All right, National

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Speaker 1: Signing Day right now. It's the thirteenth National Signing Days

511
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Speaker 1: going down in eight days. We'll be all over the place.

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Speaker 1: Some of us will be in Nashville, some of us

513
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Speaker 1: will be in Fort Lauderdale, will have our team sites

514
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Speaker 1: covering it all over the country. We'll have our national

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Speaker 1: insiders covering it all over the country. But I don't

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Speaker 1: want you having to wait. And quite frankly, I think

517
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Speaker 1: what you want to know right now is not so

518
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Speaker 1: much just what's on the front page of twenty four

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Speaker 1: to seven sports dot Com. And you don't want to

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Speaker 1: know what's available for free out there. You want scoop,

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Speaker 1: you want Intel, you want an edge so that you

522
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Speaker 1: can sound smarter at the water cooler. I know that

523
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Speaker 1: because I know you guys, and I want those same things.

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Speaker 1: So here's what I do. I called Uncle Steve earlier

525
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Speaker 1: today and I said, we'll phone. I need something from you.

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Speaker 1: I need to squeeze that sponge and I need some juice.

527
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Speaker 1: I need some drip on the show tonight. Can you deliver?

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Speaker 1: And he said yes, and then he saluted. I didn't

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Speaker 1: require the salute, but I appreciated it. And so we

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Speaker 1: bring on twenty four seven Sports National Director of Recruiting,

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Speaker 1: recent Chalice of Supremacy recipient. Congratulations, Sir Steve Wilfunk. How

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Speaker 1: are things in Indianapolis tonight? Does the sun set there

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Speaker 1: as early as it does in Nashville?

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Speaker 3: A well hour later?

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Speaker 2: I think, he said, at the same time, just an

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Speaker 2: hour later here in the future.

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Speaker 1: Brother, Yeah, not fun, not fun at all. Okay. So

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Speaker 1: I'm looking at my I'm looking at my rankings over here.

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Speaker 1: Not shockingly, Bama's number one in the country. We're sitting

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Speaker 1: here eight days away from National Signing Day, I got

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Speaker 1: Georgia there, Notre Dame is still right there in position.

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Speaker 1: If you have to handicap this thing right now, is

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Speaker 1: anyone catching Bama?

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Speaker 2: I don't think so. I think that they have it

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Speaker 2: all but locked up. Excuse me, I need to put

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Speaker 2: some juice in my chalice there. I think they have

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Speaker 2: it all but locked up right now. When you look

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Speaker 2: at what's already in the fold and what's still potentially

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Speaker 2: out there for Nick Saban and company. When you look

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Speaker 2: at guys like twenty four seven Sports Composite five Stars

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Speaker 2: defensive lineman James Smith, edge Quay Rusaw, They're still in

552
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Speaker 2: the sweepstakes for Desmond Ricks. Jordan Hall is a defensive

553
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Speaker 2: line and they're swinging at my crystal balld Damari Brown

554
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Speaker 2: at top two four seven cornerback from the Sunshine State

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Speaker 2: to Alabama today. So there's a lot of elite talents

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Speaker 2: still strongly considering Alabama down the stretch here as they

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Speaker 2: try and lock up Nick Saban's tenth number one recruiting

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Speaker 2: class since coming to Tuscaloosa.

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Speaker 1: Hey, are you surprised right now? I mean I got

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Speaker 1: Miami eighth, I got Florida ninth, and I've got Florida

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Speaker 1: State down here seventeenth? Is that the way that you

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Speaker 1: kind of expected things to land in Florida? Or I mean,

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Speaker 1: are we going to be sitting here a little over

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Speaker 1: a week from now and talking about Miami making huge

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Speaker 1: moves or Florida making huge moves? Because I mean, they

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Speaker 1: still got uncommitted kids down there with a bunch of

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Speaker 1: those stars next to their name, do they not?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, coming into the cycle. If you had asked me

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Speaker 2: what order they would have finished in, I would have

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Speaker 2: told you that I thought Miami would finish with the

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Speaker 2: highest class floor to two in Florida state three. But

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Speaker 2: I would have said that I think all three are

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Speaker 2: top twenty and that Florida and Miami have top ten potential.

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Speaker 2: The Gators still have a chance to finish in the

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Speaker 2: top ten with what they have on the board, and

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Speaker 2: Miami they're trying to push into the top five with

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Speaker 2: what they have on the board, and a lot of

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Speaker 2: that Miami Florida discussion on who's going to finish the highest.

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Speaker 2: They got a couple of pivotal head to heads against

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Speaker 2: each other, Joshua, you got five star offensive tackle Samson

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Speaker 2: oakin Loola from Massachusetts visited Florida for the second time

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Speaker 2: in a few weeks this past weekend. But he has

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Speaker 2: Mario Crystabal and coach Marrabal in his home right now

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Speaker 2: as we hang out on Late Kick. Miami is a

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Speaker 2: crystal Ball favorite, but we're not sleeping on the Gators there.

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Speaker 2: On the flip side top two four to seven. Running

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Speaker 2: back Mark Fletcher visited Florida this weekend. I logged the

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Speaker 2: twenty four seven Sports crystal Ball forecast in favor of

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Speaker 2: the Gators for Fletcher, but we're not sleeping on Miami there.

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Speaker 2: He may not even sign during the early signing period.

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Speaker 2: There's a lot of strong bus for Florida right now.

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Speaker 2: We've seen Miami flip the script on the Gators. We've

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Speaker 2: seen the Gators flip the script on the Hurricanes with

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Speaker 2: Jade and Rashata. Recently, these teams have gone head to head.

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Speaker 2: It was Cormani McLain for Miami, Jad and Rashata for Florida.

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Speaker 2: They've already had some monster battles against each other and

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Speaker 2: seeing those two programs lock horns on the trail has

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Speaker 2: been fun and fascinating so far.

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Speaker 1: Well Fall, I mean, Florida State ended the season playing

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Speaker 1: better football than either of those teams. Like, where does

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Speaker 1: Florida State fall into recruiting pecan order right now?

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Speaker 2: Well, I think again, I think this is a program

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Speaker 2: that is trajectory, is on the way up with the

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Speaker 2: way that they're recruiting, and you know, with the way

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Speaker 2: that they had their season, and look, they're in the

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Speaker 2: mix for some key guys here down the stretch. Maybe

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Speaker 2: they flip an Andy Gan, a receiver committed to Florida

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Speaker 2: right now. Maybe they flip him. He could take an

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Speaker 2: official visit to Tallahassee this weekend. They're trying to flip

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Speaker 2: Cedric Baxter from Texas, although I think that might be.

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Speaker 3: A long shot.

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Speaker 2: They're going head to head with Alabama for Damari Brown

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Speaker 2: right now, with Miami hanging around in there. So they're

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Speaker 2: trying to flip Conrad Hussey, a top two four to

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Speaker 2: seven defensive back from South Florida from Penn Stay who

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Speaker 2: is on campus this weekend. So I think that Florida

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Speaker 2: State's and on the right guys too. But then, Josh,

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Speaker 2: you look ahead in twenty twenty four, they have a

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Speaker 2: top five class right now, and that's really where you

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Speaker 2: see good seasons.

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Speaker 3: Resonate is on the next recruiting class.

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Speaker 2: It could help you finish strong, but they're often running

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Speaker 2: in twenty twenty four, and I think a lot of

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Speaker 2: it has to do with the way they opened up

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Speaker 2: that season in New Orleans and got a statement victory

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Speaker 2: against LSU.

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Speaker 1: I've been around you on signing day and I've watched

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Speaker 1: you try and read the tea leaves on these Florida

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Speaker 1: the State of Florida Kids and the State of Florida

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Speaker 1: signing classes. And I don't blame you for constantly being

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Speaker 1: on edge, because I would be ten times more on

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Speaker 1: edge than you, because I'd be worried either someone has

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Speaker 1: lied to me or someone is going to make an

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Speaker 1: nil move and render everything about the past two years irrelevant.

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Speaker 1: So scale of one to ten, what's the paranoia scale

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Speaker 1: as we're headed into this signing day about some of

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Speaker 1: these battles down in Florida.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I think that I never think I truly

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Speaker 2: know what's happening. So every time you report something, you

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Speaker 2: do it with the caveat of knowing that this information

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Speaker 2: could either be a little off or it could quickly

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Speaker 2: change and make you look incredibly wrong.

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Speaker 3: I mean, it's look at Carmanie Maclain.

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Speaker 2: That was one where most assumed that he was going

645
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Speaker 2: to Florida, and then he pops on the Miami hat

646
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Speaker 2: and Miami had been working that one behind the scenes

647
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Speaker 2: for a few days and had that one locked up.

648
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Speaker 2: So sometimes you don't catch the pivots or the new information,

649
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Speaker 2: and so when you're bringing it to the readers, you

650
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Speaker 2: know it's incorrect. So certainly with NIL and the infrastructure

651
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Speaker 2: some of these programs have in that regard and the

652
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Speaker 2: pace that they're going at With that, these recruitments can

653
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Speaker 2: change on a din in the last second, if that's

654
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Speaker 2: what the young man is most important with his decisions.

655
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Speaker 2: So yeah, this, you know, sometimes things change quickly and

656
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Speaker 2: the information that was right three minutes earlier is wrong.

657
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Speaker 1: Well, see that's where I have to come in because

658
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Speaker 1: you know that I wave the Wilfunk flag here and

659
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Speaker 1: I will defend your good honor. When you take the

660
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Speaker 1: high road, I'll take the low road for you. So

661
00:33:22,560 --> 00:33:24,800
Speaker 1: sometimes I just have to I got to do the

662
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Speaker 1: whack a mole to some of the viewers and let

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Speaker 1: him know all of the information that was available with

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Speaker 1: the best sourcing network in America, which I think you

665
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Speaker 1: have because I've sat at dinner before and watched the

666
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Speaker 1: calls you take. It wasn't good enough because no one

667
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Speaker 1: can predict a swing that sometimes happens, especially in the

668
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Speaker 1: climate we're in today. Okay, I got a question written

669
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Speaker 1: on a piece of paper right here. Someone asked me

670
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Speaker 1: this earlier today. So if you get mad at it,

671
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Speaker 1: blame my friend, don't blame me. What is wrong with

672
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Speaker 1: Texas A and M recruiting? That's what people want to know. Willfong,

673
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Speaker 1: Is there anything wrong with A and M.

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Speaker 3: Recruiting asolutely not.

675
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Speaker 2: I think Texas A and M is one of the

676
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Speaker 2: best recruiting classes in the country. It's just a smaller class.

677
00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:08,319
Speaker 2: They have twelve commits. But Joshua, when you look at

678
00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:12,560
Speaker 2: my favorite statistic in recruiting, which is average ranking per commit,

679
00:34:12,640 --> 00:34:16,720
Speaker 2: which tells you truly how talented your class is, Texas

680
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Speaker 2: A and M ranks number four nationally in that regard.

681
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Speaker 2: So this is another terrific class for the Aggies. It

682
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Speaker 2: was always going to be a smaller haul for them

683
00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:28,359
Speaker 2: after the monster is sized class that they took last year,

684
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Speaker 2: But when you look at the top of the class

685
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Speaker 2: and the elite players that they have in the fold

686
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Speaker 2: and the couple guys that they're still in on down

687
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Speaker 2: the stretch. They're recruiting to a standard of incredibly talented players.

688
00:34:40,560 --> 00:34:43,200
Speaker 2: Now people should be asking a lot of them on

689
00:34:43,239 --> 00:34:45,680
Speaker 2: the field with the way they've recruited. You know, last year,

690
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Speaker 2: people make a big deal of that number one class,

691
00:34:47,680 --> 00:34:50,440
Speaker 2: but had three top ten classes before that. So this

692
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Speaker 2: is a roster full of top ten classes and highly

693
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Speaker 2: average rank commit players. And so this is another good

694
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Speaker 2: class for Texas A and M that kind of meets

695
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Speaker 2: the standard that they've been recruiting at. Now it's bringing

696
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Speaker 2: it together on the field with more consistency because.

697
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Speaker 3: They've really only had one great year under coach Fisher

698
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Speaker 3: so far.

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Speaker 1: Well here's the other thing, man, Like you've known this

700
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Speaker 1: for a while, I've gotten to get out on the

701
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Speaker 1: road a little bit more, and on these Friday nights

702
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Speaker 1: when we're in town, I like to meet with some

703
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Speaker 1: of the staff. It's not always coaching staff. Sometimes it's

704
00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:24,239
Speaker 1: off field, it supports staff, it's player personnel types. And

705
00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:26,840
Speaker 1: you learn about some of the biggest moves that happen

706
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Speaker 1: in this industry that are not reported. We know when

707
00:35:29,880 --> 00:35:32,399
Speaker 1: coordinators move, we know when someone hires a new head coach,

708
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Speaker 1: But what foin You rarely have big, flashy headlines when

709
00:35:37,160 --> 00:35:40,440
Speaker 1: director of player personnel types move, but in reality, man,

710
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Speaker 1: that's huge. Like you had some movement from A and

711
00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:45,160
Speaker 1: M to Oregon this past cycle. This paid huge dividends

712
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Speaker 1: in one place and left a huge void in another place.

713
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Speaker 1: So it's always interesting because you never have time to

714
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Speaker 1: talk about it publicly, and quite frankly, it wouldn't generate

715
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Speaker 1: enough traffic anyway. But there's a lot of that happening. Okay,

716
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Speaker 1: So you're in touch with pretty much everyone on the

717
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Speaker 1: face of this planet. When it comes to recruiting. People

718
00:35:59,640 --> 00:36:01,439
Speaker 1: talk about at BBAMA all the time. People talk about

719
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Speaker 1: Georgia all the time. Give me some underrated recruiting staffs

720
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Speaker 1: right now that you think are really doing big things

721
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Speaker 1: and it doesn't always have to be ranked in the

722
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Speaker 1: top five relative to what their expectation level should be.

723
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Speaker 1: Who are some big time staffs out there right now? Oh?

724
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Speaker 3: Man, I mean I think right now.

725
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Speaker 2: You look at TCU, the way that they've capitalized on

726
00:36:21,080 --> 00:36:24,000
Speaker 2: the momentum of making the College Football Playoff. They have

727
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Speaker 2: a top twenty class right now could ultimately end up

728
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Speaker 2: being in the top fifteen.

729
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Speaker 3: I think Texas Tech.

730
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Speaker 2: Joey McGuire and that first year staff at Texas have

731
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Speaker 2: really been able to capitalize on all the relationships that

732
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Speaker 2: they have with the high school scene in the Lone

733
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Speaker 2: Star State. They have the number twenty three recruiting class

734
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Speaker 2: in the country right now, Josh, I think that's very impressive,

735
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Speaker 2: and so those are two classes that really stand out

736
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Speaker 2: to me when you look at the top twenty five

737
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Speaker 2: right now. Certainly I think Oregon from Mario Cristobal to

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Speaker 2: Dan Lane I think from a recruiting standpoint, he went

739
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Speaker 2: from maybe the best head coach or the most active

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Speaker 2: head coach recruiter in the country in recruiting. And Dan

741
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Speaker 2: Lanning company, they have the Ducks in on some very

742
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Speaker 2: elite players here down the stretch, and they're going to

743
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Speaker 2: be as fun as anybody to watch here leading up

744
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Speaker 2: to the early signing period, whether they win some of

745
00:37:20,440 --> 00:37:22,200
Speaker 2: these battles or lose some of these battles. I know

746
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Speaker 2: we were going to talk about who could finish with

747
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Speaker 2: the number one recruiting class in the country, and I

748
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Speaker 2: had to make sure Oregon was mathematically not alive when

749
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Speaker 2: I started punching some of the names that they were

750
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Speaker 2: in on on the twenty four to seven Sports Class

751
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Speaker 2: Calculator as they try and flip the number one offensive

752
00:37:39,680 --> 00:37:42,719
Speaker 2: tackle in the country, Caden Proctor from Iowa. I think

753
00:37:42,760 --> 00:37:45,640
Speaker 2: Alabama's still in there for Proctor as well. I should

754
00:37:45,680 --> 00:37:47,960
Speaker 2: have mentioned him in the Alabama segment. Is another guy

755
00:37:47,960 --> 00:37:50,719
Speaker 2: they could close on, David DJ Hicks committed to A

756
00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:53,400
Speaker 2: and M right now, but he's taken four visits to Oregon.

757
00:37:53,840 --> 00:37:57,680
Speaker 2: Oregon's still in the mix, still communicating with Peyton Bowen.

758
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Speaker 3: And some of these guys are long shots.

759
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Speaker 2: Mattea ua Lele, the five star defensive lineman from California,

760
00:38:03,320 --> 00:38:06,399
Speaker 2: that I like Ohio State's position for now, but maybe

761
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Speaker 2: you'll like Oregon's position for more as he nears his

762
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Speaker 2: college decision. That you know, those are a bunch of

763
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Speaker 2: five star recruits that Oregon's still in on here as

764
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Speaker 2: the cycle comes to a close.

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Speaker 1: What do you think the I know, it's tough to

766
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Speaker 1: say right now, I'm trying to pull up the team rankings,

767
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Speaker 1: so right now, given that all those guys are still

768
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Speaker 1: on the board for them, Like, I mean, what do

769
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Speaker 1: you think the ceiling is on this class for Oregon?

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Speaker 2: Well, I think that when I plugged all those guys

771
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Speaker 2: in that they have a realistic chance of finishing with

772
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Speaker 2: a top well realistic, I don't know if that's the

773
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Speaker 2: right word. They have a mathematical chance of finishing with

774
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Speaker 2: a class that finishes in the top four when you

775
00:38:43,840 --> 00:38:47,239
Speaker 2: compare scores from the cycle before, like they could hit

776
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Speaker 2: with over three hundred points, which is what the Buckeyes

777
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Speaker 2: had in the number four spot last year. We should

778
00:38:53,440 --> 00:38:55,919
Speaker 2: be a hell of a first class and really would

779
00:38:55,960 --> 00:38:59,600
Speaker 2: be extremely top heavy with some very elite players if

780
00:38:59,600 --> 00:39:02,080
Speaker 2: they're able to pull that off. They already have five

781
00:39:02,120 --> 00:39:06,239
Speaker 2: star quarterback Dante More committed Josh. He took a visit

782
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Speaker 2: to UCLA last weekend. Everything I'm hearing today, I still

783
00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:13,040
Speaker 2: think he sticks with Oregon. You know, we'll see what

784
00:39:13,080 --> 00:39:16,440
Speaker 2: happens over this next week. And then Dan lannings in

785
00:39:16,600 --> 00:39:19,640
Speaker 2: home with five star defensive lineman David dj Hicks right now,

786
00:39:19,680 --> 00:39:23,000
Speaker 2: and his family is they try and flip him from

787
00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:24,799
Speaker 2: A and M. So a lot of big in home

788
00:39:24,880 --> 00:39:28,279
Speaker 2: visits going on right now as we record this show here.

789
00:39:28,320 --> 00:39:29,839
Speaker 3: I wonder if they're watching them. They kick in these

790
00:39:29,840 --> 00:39:30,920
Speaker 3: houses right now.

791
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Speaker 1: Well listen. If they're not, they should, man, I assume

792
00:39:34,160 --> 00:39:36,040
Speaker 1: you see some of the same stuff I see, like

793
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Speaker 1: I've got I've got coaches texting me their itineraries this week,

794
00:39:40,760 --> 00:39:42,920
Speaker 1: and it's insane. Now. Fortunately they don't have to go

795
00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:45,000
Speaker 1: commercial like you and I do. We're down here with

796
00:39:45,080 --> 00:39:48,359
Speaker 1: the normal folks. But man, so like I saw one

797
00:39:48,360 --> 00:39:51,160
Speaker 1: of them text me a couple of days ago, nine states,

798
00:39:51,680 --> 00:39:54,359
Speaker 1: multiple stayovers, not even just going back to campus that night,

799
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Speaker 1: and you're trying to bowl prep, you're trying to hire

800
00:39:57,760 --> 00:40:01,160
Speaker 1: new coaches. Some of these guys are I complain about

801
00:40:01,200 --> 00:40:02,840
Speaker 1: it for them because I know it does them no

802
00:40:02,880 --> 00:40:06,000
Speaker 1: good to complain about it publicly. But man, behind the scenes,

803
00:40:06,280 --> 00:40:09,279
Speaker 1: you probably get a lot of that. You probably get

804
00:40:09,320 --> 00:40:11,120
Speaker 1: a lot of that steam being blown off in your

805
00:40:11,160 --> 00:40:11,880
Speaker 1: ear too, don't you.

806
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Speaker 2: That's why a lot of these guys love when they

807
00:40:14,280 --> 00:40:16,440
Speaker 2: get to travel with the head coach. Like if it's

808
00:40:16,520 --> 00:40:19,000
Speaker 2: their recruit and the head coach is going in home

809
00:40:19,320 --> 00:40:22,840
Speaker 2: and you're a high profile university, that head coach is

810
00:40:22,840 --> 00:40:27,239
Speaker 2: not Watson through the airport flying commercial with the likes

811
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Speaker 2: of Wilfong. You know they're on the private jet. They're

812
00:40:30,040 --> 00:40:32,640
Speaker 2: in there out. That's the life right there. When you're

813
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Speaker 2: recruiting here down the stretch with the head coach on

814
00:40:35,800 --> 00:40:38,240
Speaker 2: the private jet, and you kind of take for granted

815
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Speaker 2: someone like me that's so immersed in recruiting. Here at

816
00:40:40,920 --> 00:40:43,160
Speaker 2: the end of the cycle, you get on the phone

817
00:40:43,200 --> 00:40:45,520
Speaker 2: with the college coach or something, and they tell you

818
00:40:45,600 --> 00:40:47,520
Speaker 2: they're back home because they got a they got a

819
00:40:47,520 --> 00:40:49,719
Speaker 2: bowl game, they're practicing for that, and you just kind

820
00:40:49,719 --> 00:40:52,399
Speaker 2: of forget. That's something else they got to do, which

821
00:40:52,440 --> 00:40:55,719
Speaker 2: is game plan, make sure they're keeping in touch with

822
00:40:55,800 --> 00:40:59,919
Speaker 2: their own players practicing. People forget that, like just because

823
00:41:00,120 --> 00:41:02,600
Speaker 2: already on the team, they don't just see them at practice.

824
00:41:02,680 --> 00:41:04,160
Speaker 3: You know, there's more to it.

825
00:41:04,280 --> 00:41:09,120
Speaker 2: And so there's that the juggling act of keeping up

826
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Speaker 2: with your players, recruiting, seeing your family when you can,

827
00:41:12,160 --> 00:41:16,200
Speaker 2: and travel and this is a hard time on coaches.

828
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Speaker 2: And I know a lot of people appreciated the lead

829
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Speaker 2: into your show.

830
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Speaker 1: The other day. I got to ask you about Dion Sanders.

831
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Speaker 1: A lot of his traffic's probably going to be in

832
00:41:25,400 --> 00:41:29,200
Speaker 1: the transfer portal this first cycle. What have you heard,

833
00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:31,760
Speaker 1: either just from folks out there or just in the industry.

834
00:41:31,760 --> 00:41:34,239
Speaker 1: It's reverberated a lot. I've gotten feedback about it, but

835
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Speaker 1: in recruiting, What do you expect the immediate impact to

836
00:41:38,280 --> 00:41:38,799
Speaker 1: be out there?

837
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Speaker 2: Well, I think that anytime you get a phone call

838
00:41:42,680 --> 00:41:46,440
Speaker 2: from Dion Sanders, it moves the needle and it's just

839
00:41:46,520 --> 00:41:48,760
Speaker 2: the call you want to take, no matter how long.

840
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Speaker 3: You've really been committed.

841
00:41:49,760 --> 00:41:53,480
Speaker 2: I would say most prospects would be excited to get

842
00:41:53,520 --> 00:41:55,120
Speaker 2: on the phone with them and hear what he has

843
00:41:55,200 --> 00:41:57,400
Speaker 2: to say. And then he's one of the more electric, charming,

844
00:41:57,680 --> 00:42:01,640
Speaker 2: charismatic guys in college football. You know that seems to

845
00:42:01,680 --> 00:42:04,239
Speaker 2: be very eloquent in his message for the direction he

846
00:42:04,280 --> 00:42:06,960
Speaker 2: wants to take this football program. And you look at

847
00:42:07,080 --> 00:42:09,160
Speaker 2: Jackson State and what he was able to do there,

848
00:42:09,200 --> 00:42:12,839
Speaker 2: taking a program that was not a traditional winner by

849
00:42:12,880 --> 00:42:16,279
Speaker 2: any stretch and turning it into a must see, a

850
00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:21,080
Speaker 2: must see event where their attendance skyrocketed under coach Sanders.

851
00:42:21,120 --> 00:42:23,879
Speaker 2: I believe they averaged over fifty thousand fans per game

852
00:42:23,960 --> 00:42:27,760
Speaker 2: that would rival a lot of Power five programs there.

853
00:42:28,719 --> 00:42:31,719
Speaker 2: The way that they offered, they were not afraid to

854
00:42:31,800 --> 00:42:34,160
Speaker 2: offer blue chip prospects. There were a lot of times

855
00:42:34,200 --> 00:42:38,399
Speaker 2: where I was tagged and Jackson State offers I think

856
00:42:38,480 --> 00:42:41,400
Speaker 2: now at Colorado and obviously they landed some guys at

857
00:42:41,480 --> 00:42:42,080
Speaker 2: Jackson State.

858
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Speaker 1: Right.

859
00:42:42,360 --> 00:42:45,960
Speaker 2: We were there together when Travis Hunter flipped. I was

860
00:42:46,000 --> 00:42:48,400
Speaker 2: at the All America Bowl when Kevin Coleman announced for

861
00:42:48,480 --> 00:42:51,640
Speaker 2: Jackson State they beat Georgia for the number one JUCO

862
00:42:51,760 --> 00:42:57,600
Speaker 2: corner in the country two cycles ago. At Colorado, now

863
00:42:57,719 --> 00:43:01,319
Speaker 2: there's a lot more resources there was at Jackson State

864
00:43:01,360 --> 00:43:05,400
Speaker 2: from a facility standpoint and support standpoint that I think

865
00:43:05,760 --> 00:43:08,319
Speaker 2: he'll be able to showcase as part of his pitch

866
00:43:08,440 --> 00:43:12,319
Speaker 2: to prospects about why the player development at Colorado will

867
00:43:12,360 --> 00:43:13,239
Speaker 2: be second to none.

868
00:43:13,320 --> 00:43:14,520
Speaker 3: He's hired a great staff.

869
00:43:14,560 --> 00:43:16,879
Speaker 2: A lot of guys on his staff at Jackson State

870
00:43:16,920 --> 00:43:19,480
Speaker 2: were former NFL coaches that coach some of the best

871
00:43:19,480 --> 00:43:22,279
Speaker 2: players in the league, So they had the pedigree at

872
00:43:22,360 --> 00:43:27,600
Speaker 2: Jackson State in addition to just the pizzazz and lightning

873
00:43:27,680 --> 00:43:30,480
Speaker 2: rod that coach Sanders was in the corner office, there

874
00:43:30,520 --> 00:43:33,160
Speaker 2: was a lot of substance on his coaching staff.

875
00:43:33,480 --> 00:43:35,920
Speaker 3: And now at Colorado, he's.

876
00:43:35,719 --> 00:43:39,040
Speaker 2: Already made some terrific hires with his coordinators, guys that

877
00:43:39,080 --> 00:43:42,759
Speaker 2: are well respected, guys that are proven play callers and

878
00:43:42,840 --> 00:43:48,440
Speaker 2: developers of talent. Then he's also added some really exciting

879
00:43:48,800 --> 00:43:52,320
Speaker 2: recruiting pieces to it Nick Williams. You talk about Texas

880
00:43:52,360 --> 00:43:55,200
Speaker 2: A and M. You talked about some off field recruiting guys.

881
00:43:55,520 --> 00:43:58,120
Speaker 2: Nick Williams was one of the best off field recruiters

882
00:43:58,120 --> 00:44:00,600
Speaker 2: in college football for the last four or five years.

883
00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:03,600
Speaker 2: Helped Georgia and Texas A and M win some monster

884
00:44:03,680 --> 00:44:06,799
Speaker 2: recruiting battles. He's getting his first opportunity to coach on

885
00:44:06,800 --> 00:44:09,360
Speaker 2: the field at Colorado as their defensive line coach. I

886
00:44:09,440 --> 00:44:12,040
Speaker 2: think he went out and hired one of the top

887
00:44:12,560 --> 00:44:15,600
Speaker 2: potential off field guys. And Corey Phillips, who's got a

888
00:44:15,600 --> 00:44:18,239
Speaker 2: ton of experience as a high school coach and then

889
00:44:18,280 --> 00:44:21,680
Speaker 2: working at places like Vanderbilt and LSU. He's been in

890
00:44:21,800 --> 00:44:25,920
Speaker 2: different atmospheres, different colleges that ask for different things from

891
00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:29,160
Speaker 2: student athletes. He's gotten a lot of experience in that

892
00:44:29,280 --> 00:44:32,120
Speaker 2: regard and been around a lot of different kinds of kids.

893
00:44:32,160 --> 00:44:34,640
Speaker 2: So I think, and he's on the road recruiting for

894
00:44:34,680 --> 00:44:36,800
Speaker 2: Colorado right now because they don't have a full staff,

895
00:44:36,800 --> 00:44:39,080
Speaker 2: so he's allowed to go out there. They're going to

896
00:44:39,160 --> 00:44:42,840
Speaker 2: swing at elite players. They're going to have some exciting

897
00:44:42,880 --> 00:44:45,759
Speaker 2: portal wins. I wouldn't be surprised if they flipped the

898
00:44:45,760 --> 00:44:48,520
Speaker 2: prospect or too that we're not even talking about right now.

899
00:44:48,920 --> 00:44:50,960
Speaker 2: And then in twenty twenty four, they're going to have

900
00:44:51,040 --> 00:44:54,120
Speaker 2: some massive recruiting weekends and we'll see how it goes.

901
00:44:54,200 --> 00:44:56,200
Speaker 2: I think that they're going to land some big time guys.

902
00:44:56,239 --> 00:44:58,120
Speaker 2: It's been a long time since we've seen them have

903
00:44:58,160 --> 00:45:00,640
Speaker 2: a top twenty five recruiting class, Josh. But I'd be

904
00:45:00,640 --> 00:45:02,719
Speaker 2: pretty surprised if they don't have a top twenty five

905
00:45:02,760 --> 00:45:05,640
Speaker 2: recruiting class in twenty twenty four, with the staff that

906
00:45:05,680 --> 00:45:10,000
Speaker 2: they put together and the excitement that everybody has that

907
00:45:10,040 --> 00:45:12,000
Speaker 2: I've talked to within the program already.

908
00:45:12,120 --> 00:45:14,879
Speaker 1: Did I rehearse any of these questions with you today? Yes?

909
00:45:14,960 --> 00:45:15,160
Speaker 1: Or no?

910
00:45:16,160 --> 00:45:18,160
Speaker 2: I got a heads up on what they were going

911
00:45:18,239 --> 00:45:20,080
Speaker 2: to be very shortly beforehand.

912
00:45:20,239 --> 00:45:22,239
Speaker 1: This is why I love you. I got one more

913
00:45:22,280 --> 00:45:24,319
Speaker 1: for you. So you mentioned Travis Hunter a second ago.

914
00:45:24,760 --> 00:45:27,000
Speaker 1: I remember because I was like five feet away from

915
00:45:27,000 --> 00:45:31,840
Speaker 1: you when that stuff happened last year. We already I

916
00:45:31,880 --> 00:45:34,520
Speaker 1: mean to take people behind the curtain. We're down in

917
00:45:34,560 --> 00:45:39,400
Speaker 1: Fort Lauderdale, We're at CBS Sports HQ, and they've already

918
00:45:39,440 --> 00:45:43,759
Speaker 1: got full, like big packages. We voiced them over. It's

919
00:45:43,760 --> 00:45:48,040
Speaker 1: like like two or three minute, just grandiose packages celebrating

920
00:45:48,080 --> 00:45:51,160
Speaker 1: Travis Hunter signing with Florida State, and then all of

921
00:45:51,200 --> 00:45:53,920
Speaker 1: a sudden, like I hear you over there go uh

922
00:45:54,040 --> 00:45:57,200
Speaker 1: uh oh. And then we think we took like a

923
00:45:57,200 --> 00:45:59,800
Speaker 1: brief commercial break or something, and you said, hey, there

924
00:45:59,840 --> 00:46:02,360
Speaker 1: may be something happening with Travis Hunter. And it's like,

925
00:46:02,400 --> 00:46:04,319
Speaker 1: what is he going to delay his decision? Is he

926
00:46:04,360 --> 00:46:06,680
Speaker 1: not signing until the afternoon. No one even had it

927
00:46:06,719 --> 00:46:10,360
Speaker 1: on their radar. Will Fong that what you were intimating

928
00:46:10,360 --> 00:46:13,200
Speaker 1: at could be, oh, he's going somewhere else. And if

929
00:46:13,200 --> 00:46:15,400
Speaker 1: there was going to be somewhere else, you would have

930
00:46:15,400 --> 00:46:18,080
Speaker 1: thought like a Georgio or some major program out of

931
00:46:18,080 --> 00:46:20,160
Speaker 1: the blue, and then it was Jackson State. Anyway, I'm

932
00:46:20,160 --> 00:46:21,880
Speaker 1: not asking you if there's going to be a Travis

933
00:46:21,960 --> 00:46:24,360
Speaker 1: Hunter two point zero this year, because no one knows.

934
00:46:24,640 --> 00:46:26,720
Speaker 1: That's the whole point of it being a huge shock.

935
00:46:27,280 --> 00:46:30,359
Speaker 1: But let's call that a ten on the one to

936
00:46:30,400 --> 00:46:34,040
Speaker 1: ten shock scale. How high do you think we'll peg

937
00:46:34,080 --> 00:46:35,880
Speaker 1: that shock scale this year? You don't have to predict

938
00:46:35,920 --> 00:46:39,120
Speaker 1: who it is, but how big a surprise or surprise

939
00:46:39,239 --> 00:46:41,600
Speaker 1: is do you think we're in store for early signing day?

940
00:46:41,640 --> 00:46:44,480
Speaker 1: With how things currently are structured in our sport.

941
00:46:45,600 --> 00:46:50,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, and the Travis Hunter thing that morning, just Dot

942
00:46:50,120 --> 00:46:52,040
Speaker 2: and As and Cross and T's. I reached out to

943
00:46:52,680 --> 00:46:55,040
Speaker 2: the coach at Georgian and said, a any chance Travis

944
00:46:55,120 --> 00:46:58,479
Speaker 2: Hunter flips from Florida State to y'all And the coach said,

945
00:46:58,480 --> 00:46:59,759
Speaker 2: hell now, So I thought it was.

946
00:47:00,320 --> 00:47:02,320
Speaker 3: I thought he was a seminole, right.

947
00:47:02,239 --> 00:47:04,440
Speaker 2: And I just was looking in the wrong place, because,

948
00:47:04,920 --> 00:47:06,840
Speaker 2: you know, an hour or so later into the show,

949
00:47:07,600 --> 00:47:11,120
Speaker 2: you get it to Texas Travis Hunters going to Florida

950
00:47:11,320 --> 00:47:14,040
Speaker 2: or to Jackson State, and it was it was. It

951
00:47:14,080 --> 00:47:16,800
Speaker 2: was such a cool story, man, And thankfully it happened

952
00:47:16,840 --> 00:47:19,319
Speaker 2: right before we went on break, like our show was

953
00:47:19,360 --> 00:47:22,440
Speaker 2: split in two. We got that in right before the buzzer.

954
00:47:22,520 --> 00:47:25,319
Speaker 2: Then we went in the lunch room to almost like

955
00:47:25,719 --> 00:47:27,960
Speaker 2: make sure. It was like, I have a source saying

956
00:47:28,040 --> 00:47:31,440
Speaker 2: that Travis Hunter was going to go to Jackson State,

957
00:47:31,960 --> 00:47:34,600
Speaker 2: but you didn't have it in the Hunter camp, so

958
00:47:35,520 --> 00:47:37,279
Speaker 2: you were just still kind of waiting, and then you

959
00:47:37,280 --> 00:47:41,520
Speaker 2: see Pete Damill report it and you're like, yes, it's accurate,

960
00:47:41,719 --> 00:47:44,399
Speaker 2: it's good, He's going to Jackson State. And then then

961
00:47:44,440 --> 00:47:47,000
Speaker 2: the whole thing, you know, uh, you know, the whole

962
00:47:47,040 --> 00:47:49,320
Speaker 2: thing was it was it was still one of the

963
00:47:49,360 --> 00:47:52,520
Speaker 2: biggest stories. I feel like every signing day has something

964
00:47:52,520 --> 00:47:56,080
Speaker 2: that's super exciting that goes down even maybe even if

965
00:47:56,080 --> 00:47:58,080
Speaker 2: it's the little things just to add up into the

966
00:47:58,080 --> 00:48:02,520
Speaker 2: big things. So that'll be some stuff that happens. I

967
00:48:02,520 --> 00:48:05,920
Speaker 2: don't know if it's like a Caden Proctor or you know,

968
00:48:06,239 --> 00:48:09,400
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm you know, I that's not me predicting

969
00:48:09,440 --> 00:48:10,160
Speaker 2: that's gonna happen.

970
00:48:10,200 --> 00:48:10,640
Speaker 3: That's just me.

971
00:48:10,760 --> 00:48:13,920
Speaker 2: I mean, he's visiting, visited Oregon, he's going down to Alabama,

972
00:48:14,080 --> 00:48:16,399
Speaker 2: so you know, and those are kind of the obvious ones.

973
00:48:16,440 --> 00:48:18,080
Speaker 3: You're asking for the unobvious ones.

974
00:48:18,280 --> 00:48:22,600
Speaker 2: And so there will be something we there always is,

975
00:48:23,360 --> 00:48:25,840
Speaker 2: and we'll be talking about it on the show.

976
00:48:26,640 --> 00:48:28,799
Speaker 1: Sir. I appreciate you staying up. I'm sure you got

977
00:48:28,880 --> 00:48:32,120
Speaker 1: up like four thirty easter in this morning. So unwind,

978
00:48:32,760 --> 00:48:35,719
Speaker 1: drink zip some niquil from that shallice binds you and

979
00:48:36,000 --> 00:48:39,719
Speaker 1: early signing Day rapidly approaching. Guys, make sure if you're

980
00:48:39,760 --> 00:48:43,120
Speaker 1: not already subscribe to that twenty four seven Sports YouTube channel.

981
00:48:43,320 --> 00:48:47,320
Speaker 1: That's where that entire multi hour extravaganza on National Signing

982
00:48:47,360 --> 00:48:49,160
Speaker 1: Day will be. Uh. They just had the five star

983
00:48:49,200 --> 00:48:51,799
Speaker 1: reveal show earlier today, So twenty four seven sports dot

984
00:48:51,880 --> 00:48:55,200
Speaker 1: com also a really good resource. Steven, take care, have

985
00:48:55,239 --> 00:48:56,320
Speaker 1: a great rest of your evening.

986
00:48:56,760 --> 00:48:59,439
Speaker 2: Joshua Jesse Colin, Thanks, y'all, have a good one, dear brother.

987
00:49:00,239 --> 00:49:02,120
Speaker 1: All right, So I just wanted to get you caught up.

988
00:49:03,040 --> 00:49:04,800
Speaker 1: There were a lot of things. I strongly encourage you

989
00:49:04,840 --> 00:49:06,960
Speaker 1: to go back and listen to that again, maybe at

990
00:49:07,040 --> 00:49:09,560
Speaker 1: like zero point seventy five speed, because there was a

991
00:49:09,560 --> 00:49:11,520
Speaker 1: lot that was said there that you need to read

992
00:49:11,560 --> 00:49:14,120
Speaker 1: between the lines of those Steven's gonna be able to

993
00:49:14,120 --> 00:49:15,640
Speaker 1: tell you I told you so on quite a few

994
00:49:15,680 --> 00:49:18,480
Speaker 1: things about nine days from now. You don't have to

995
00:49:18,480 --> 00:49:20,640
Speaker 1: be taken fully off guard. Make sure if you have

996
00:49:20,760 --> 00:49:29,600
Speaker 1: not already subscribe, and like the video. That's it. We

997
00:49:29,680 --> 00:49:32,520
Speaker 1: move on in the show. This has been so fun.

998
00:49:32,840 --> 00:49:36,000
Speaker 1: These bold Prediction Revisited segments are so fun. We got

999
00:49:36,040 --> 00:49:38,719
Speaker 1: to get right back into the bag tonight. Some of

1000
00:49:38,760 --> 00:49:42,799
Speaker 1: you just absolutely crutched your bold predictions and I doubted you,

1001
00:49:43,040 --> 00:49:45,440
Speaker 1: and for that I am here to apologize this first

1002
00:49:45,440 --> 00:49:47,840
Speaker 1: one right off the bat, like this is money. Listen

1003
00:49:47,880 --> 00:49:52,440
Speaker 1: to this, This is our buddy. Dave bartwo At CFB Matrix,

1004
00:49:52,880 --> 00:49:55,760
Speaker 1: a great follow. I mean, a lot of coaching staffs

1005
00:49:55,880 --> 00:49:59,960
Speaker 1: use his resources. He said, I wouldn't say it's bold.

1006
00:50:00,239 --> 00:50:02,520
Speaker 1: I would, Dave. I made it a nine on the

1007
00:50:02,520 --> 00:50:06,280
Speaker 1: boldness scale. He said, But three favorites in the preseason

1008
00:50:06,280 --> 00:50:09,040
Speaker 1: top twenty five that will not be in the top

1009
00:50:09,120 --> 00:50:14,080
Speaker 1: twenty five come season's end, Pitt, Cincy and ole Miss.

1010
00:50:15,080 --> 00:50:16,919
Speaker 1: He said, none of them are going to finish top

1011
00:50:16,960 --> 00:50:21,240
Speaker 1: twenty five. Well, guess who finished outside the top twenty five, Pitt,

1012
00:50:21,360 --> 00:50:23,960
Speaker 1: Sincy and ole Miss. And I called this a nine

1013
00:50:24,239 --> 00:50:27,240
Speaker 1: on the boldness scale. I think I said something along

1014
00:50:27,280 --> 00:50:29,520
Speaker 1: the lines of I could see one of these happening,

1015
00:50:29,880 --> 00:50:32,400
Speaker 1: maybe even two, but all three of them in the

1016
00:50:32,440 --> 00:50:35,960
Speaker 1: same season. I looked at Cincinnati and I thought they

1017
00:50:36,000 --> 00:50:37,919
Speaker 1: can afford to lose two games, and they still won't

1018
00:50:37,920 --> 00:50:40,160
Speaker 1: finish outside the top twenty five. See if he would

1019
00:50:40,160 --> 00:50:42,480
Speaker 1: have said top ten or fifteen, I could have gotten

1020
00:50:42,520 --> 00:50:44,919
Speaker 1: on board with it. But I mean, yeah, three really

1021
00:50:44,960 --> 00:50:47,359
Speaker 1: good programs here, none of them in the top twenty five,

1022
00:50:47,800 --> 00:50:52,520
Speaker 1: and yet somehow it happened. So Dave nails his bold prediction.

1023
00:50:52,719 --> 00:50:55,960
Speaker 1: I mean, hats off, sir, that's well done. And he

1024
00:50:56,000 --> 00:50:59,280
Speaker 1: didn't pick three scrubs. Either, he picked the former ACC

1025
00:50:59,480 --> 00:51:02,759
Speaker 1: champ since coming off a College Football Playoff appearance, and

1026
00:51:02,840 --> 00:51:04,799
Speaker 1: ole Miss had a good season last year and at

1027
00:51:04,840 --> 00:51:09,040
Speaker 1: one point they were top ten this year. So that's

1028
00:51:09,080 --> 00:51:11,879
Speaker 1: some crystal ball work for you right there. Next up,

1029
00:51:12,840 --> 00:51:15,680
Speaker 1: this one was bold too, but man, this one for

1030
00:51:15,719 --> 00:51:17,840
Speaker 1: a little while, this one had some steam. Clark said

1031
00:51:18,239 --> 00:51:21,239
Speaker 1: there will be an SEC team not named Alabama or

1032
00:51:21,280 --> 00:51:24,600
Speaker 1: Georgia in the College Football Playoff this year. I called

1033
00:51:24,640 --> 00:51:27,799
Speaker 1: it an eight on the boldness scale. It ended up

1034
00:51:27,840 --> 00:51:32,640
Speaker 1: not happening. The preseason Vegas odds would have led you

1035
00:51:32,719 --> 00:51:35,160
Speaker 1: to believe, if it does happen, it'll be Texas A

1036
00:51:35,200 --> 00:51:36,719
Speaker 1: and M. Because looking at A and M had the

1037
00:51:36,719 --> 00:51:40,400
Speaker 1: third best odds to win the SEC, who had the

1038
00:51:40,440 --> 00:51:44,000
Speaker 1: fourth best odds, albeit very very long, it was Tennessee

1039
00:51:44,080 --> 00:51:46,960
Speaker 1: at plus four thousand. Well, Tennessee ended up being that team.

1040
00:51:47,400 --> 00:51:50,359
Speaker 1: Now Tennessee had to play both Alabama and Georgia. It's

1041
00:51:50,360 --> 00:51:52,719
Speaker 1: a tough scheduling break, but it's not a break because

1042
00:51:52,760 --> 00:51:55,160
Speaker 1: they have to do it every year. But they beat

1043
00:51:55,200 --> 00:51:58,799
Speaker 1: Alabama and then they go to Athens and it's just

1044
00:51:58,840 --> 00:52:00,960
Speaker 1: a tough draw. Go in to Athens and try and

1045
00:52:01,000 --> 00:52:05,839
Speaker 1: meet Georgia. So in the end, we had a team

1046
00:52:05,920 --> 00:52:11,759
Speaker 1: not named Alabama or Georgia in the SEC championship game.

1047
00:52:11,800 --> 00:52:14,239
Speaker 1: We did not have one in the playoff. Though we

1048
00:52:14,320 --> 00:52:16,160
Speaker 1: got two Big Ten teams in there, we only got

1049
00:52:16,200 --> 00:52:19,200
Speaker 1: one SEC team in there. Next up, this one was

1050
00:52:19,239 --> 00:52:21,600
Speaker 1: pretty intricate too. I had to really read it like

1051
00:52:21,920 --> 00:52:26,120
Speaker 1: thrice three times thrice. DJ said Utah will be the

1052
00:52:26,160 --> 00:52:29,400
Speaker 1: only Power five team to repeat his conference champ and

1053
00:52:29,480 --> 00:52:32,520
Speaker 1: make it to the College Football Playoff. I called this

1054
00:52:32,560 --> 00:52:36,280
Speaker 1: one a six because I had Utah making the playoffs,

1055
00:52:36,320 --> 00:52:38,319
Speaker 1: so I was on board with it. I thought, then

1056
00:52:38,360 --> 00:52:42,360
Speaker 1: win the Pac twelve. They did, so that part at

1057
00:52:42,480 --> 00:52:44,760
Speaker 1: least came to fruition. They didn't make the playoff because

1058
00:52:44,760 --> 00:52:47,600
Speaker 1: they lost three games during the regular season. But I

1059
00:52:47,680 --> 00:52:49,479
Speaker 1: was confident in this. So think about what he's talking

1060
00:52:49,480 --> 00:52:53,520
Speaker 1: about last year's champs. Only Utah is gonna make it.

1061
00:52:53,719 --> 00:52:55,919
Speaker 1: Well Pitt, I could see. I wasn't high on Pitt

1062
00:52:55,920 --> 00:52:59,239
Speaker 1: this year, Baylor. There were several teams that had better

1063
00:52:59,239 --> 00:53:03,040
Speaker 1: odds than Bailee. I thought Michigan, while they were going

1064
00:53:03,080 --> 00:53:04,640
Speaker 1: to be the second best team in the Big Ten,

1065
00:53:04,719 --> 00:53:07,160
Speaker 1: I thought it was Ohio State year in that conference.

1066
00:53:07,200 --> 00:53:09,040
Speaker 1: I can get on board with all that. I thought

1067
00:53:09,120 --> 00:53:12,399
Speaker 1: Bama was gonna be the issue because Bamo. Remember how

1068
00:53:12,520 --> 00:53:17,160
Speaker 1: overwhelmingly they were favored coming into this year, and it's

1069
00:53:17,239 --> 00:53:21,040
Speaker 1: just we whift. I whiffed on Bama, Vegas swift on Bama.

1070
00:53:21,239 --> 00:53:23,480
Speaker 1: There's a lot of us swift on Bama. So I

1071
00:53:23,520 --> 00:53:25,520
Speaker 1: thought Bama was gonna get in your way because they

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Speaker 1: won the title last year, but they didn't win the

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00:53:27,520 --> 00:53:32,279
Speaker 1: SEC title. So if they won the SEC, hey, they

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00:53:32,280 --> 00:53:35,400
Speaker 1: were gonna throw this prediction in the wood chipper. Bama

1075
00:53:35,440 --> 00:53:39,520
Speaker 1: wasn't the issue. As it turns out, Michigan was. Michigan

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Speaker 1: repeats as a conference champ along with Utah, So that

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00:53:42,360 --> 00:53:46,439
Speaker 1: one's out close, very close, but no cigar. Next up,

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00:53:47,520 --> 00:53:51,680
Speaker 1: this one was. This one was a little little more bold.

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00:53:51,680 --> 00:53:55,560
Speaker 1: Taco said there will be zero undefeated teams at the

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00:53:55,640 --> 00:54:00,839
Speaker 1: end of the regular season. This hasn't happened since oh three,

1081
00:54:01,480 --> 00:54:04,759
Speaker 1: zero undefeated teams. You got one hundred and thirty one

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00:54:04,800 --> 00:54:07,160
Speaker 1: of them in various years. You've had more or less,

1083
00:54:07,160 --> 00:54:10,080
Speaker 1: but you got like one hundred and thirty some odd teams.

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00:54:10,480 --> 00:54:14,240
Speaker 1: None of them will be undefeated. Someone's gonna be undefeated.

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Speaker 1: That's what I thought. So I called this an eight

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00:54:16,360 --> 00:54:19,480
Speaker 1: point seventy five on the boldness scale, and we ended

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00:54:19,560 --> 00:54:21,239
Speaker 1: up with two undefeated teams at the end of the

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00:54:21,280 --> 00:54:24,600
Speaker 1: regular season. Was the prediction, if be almost felt that

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00:54:24,640 --> 00:54:27,080
Speaker 1: was the prediction. So not after the playoffs, but like

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00:54:27,239 --> 00:54:32,280
Speaker 1: right now, Georgia's undefeated, Michigan's undefeated the end. But also

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00:54:32,640 --> 00:54:34,760
Speaker 1: the last time this happened was all the way back

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00:54:35,160 --> 00:54:37,200
Speaker 1: in when it comes to non COVID years in two

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00:54:37,280 --> 00:54:40,080
Speaker 1: thousand and three, that was the last time we had

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Speaker 1: no undefeated teams. I guess we could include the COVID

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00:54:42,360 --> 00:54:45,560
Speaker 1: year because we had like eight of them undefeated that year.

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Speaker 1: Last up, this was never going to happen. Bless the

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00:54:50,520 --> 00:54:53,040
Speaker 1: heart of whoever made this prediction, but this was never

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Speaker 1: going to happen. Oh Morgan, Oh poor Morgan. Morgan said,

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Speaker 1: the Every Given Saturday Tour will make a stop in Columbia,

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Speaker 1: Missouri for four and oh Missouri versus Georgia in week five.

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Speaker 1: First off, let us reiterate the fact that Missouri was

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Speaker 1: two and two at the time of this game. The

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Speaker 1: weekend was pretty loaded. Jesse, do you have the screen

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Speaker 1: Do you have that like graphic where we know the

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Speaker 1: games that were that weekend. I think I was at

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Speaker 1: Kentucky Ole miss I believe that's where I was. That

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00:55:26,280 --> 00:55:29,200
Speaker 1: was the same day NC State played Clemson. You had

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Speaker 1: Bama at Arkansas that day, Oklahoma State at Baylor, Wake

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00:55:33,120 --> 00:55:36,600
Speaker 1: Forest at Florida State. So like, we just weren't going

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00:55:36,680 --> 00:55:39,640
Speaker 1: to be at the Missouri game. But here's the irony.

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00:55:39,840 --> 00:55:42,239
Speaker 1: Missouri came as close as anyone has all year to

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Speaker 1: beating Georgia. So unfortunately they were five hundred going into

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00:55:46,239 --> 00:55:49,080
Speaker 1: the game, which warranted us ignoring the game from an

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Speaker 1: every given Saturday Tour perspective. But they just about beat Georgia.

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Speaker 1: They led them, I think by two scores at one

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Speaker 1: point in the fourth quarter. They led them. Eli drink,

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Speaker 1: What's how did you almost do that? And then the

1118
00:56:01,239 --> 00:56:03,520
Speaker 1: rest of the country. How did you not find a

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00:56:03,560 --> 00:56:05,680
Speaker 1: way to replicate that? That was a bad offensive line

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00:56:05,719 --> 00:56:08,759
Speaker 1: performance for Georgia that day. Suffice it to say they

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Speaker 1: rectified things. Okay, let's move on. I've got a segment here.

1122
00:56:13,280 --> 00:56:15,480
Speaker 1: As you can see, it's a square and then there's

1123
00:56:15,480 --> 00:56:17,920
Speaker 1: nothing written on the piece of paper that. Don't worry,

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00:56:18,080 --> 00:56:20,640
Speaker 1: we are ad lib masters around here. We had a

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00:56:20,719 --> 00:56:24,560
Speaker 1: question that was submitted in the Late Kick Inbox a

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Speaker 1: couple of days ago, and I wanted to get to

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00:56:26,840 --> 00:56:30,080
Speaker 1: it today. So Cason said, which teams are offering the

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Speaker 1: most in NIL? He just put it out there. Who

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00:56:34,040 --> 00:56:36,719
Speaker 1: has the biggest bag out there, who's tossing around the

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00:56:36,719 --> 00:56:40,680
Speaker 1: most cash. Here's what I want to do with this

1131
00:56:40,760 --> 00:56:44,040
Speaker 1: question instead, so's to not have a bunch of head

1132
00:56:44,080 --> 00:56:45,600
Speaker 1: coaches on the phone with me by the time I

1133
00:56:45,640 --> 00:56:49,160
Speaker 1: get off air that there are a lot of places.

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00:56:49,239 --> 00:56:51,560
Speaker 1: Look at the Logan's Roadhouse NIL deal. There is that

1135
00:56:51,560 --> 00:56:54,200
Speaker 1: Bryce Shawan, who is that? Whoever it is, they made

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00:56:54,239 --> 00:56:57,400
Speaker 1: the right decision. So there are a lot of places

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00:56:57,719 --> 00:57:00,160
Speaker 1: where you can get very lucrative in IL deals. I

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00:57:00,200 --> 00:57:03,000
Speaker 1: don't think we need to remind you how much you

1139
00:57:03,040 --> 00:57:06,200
Speaker 1: could get at a Miami or a USC. Bryce Young

1140
00:57:06,239 --> 00:57:08,919
Speaker 1: did quite well for himself this year. Here's the thing

1141
00:57:09,080 --> 00:57:11,799
Speaker 1: you need to know. Okay, it's not so much the

1142
00:57:11,880 --> 00:57:15,680
Speaker 1: individuals and how much money they're making. That's all well

1143
00:57:15,719 --> 00:57:21,200
Speaker 1: and good. Here's the download on how NIL is happening

1144
00:57:21,240 --> 00:57:24,760
Speaker 1: right now. It's not so much about our kids being paid. Well,

1145
00:57:24,800 --> 00:57:28,160
Speaker 1: of course they're being paid. It's legal. What you should

1146
00:57:28,160 --> 00:57:31,640
Speaker 1: be well, what I am interested in is not so

1147
00:57:31,720 --> 00:57:34,000
Speaker 1: much whether kids are being paid, how much they're being paid,

1148
00:57:34,320 --> 00:57:37,400
Speaker 1: When are they being paid. That's what's interesting about NIL.

1149
00:57:37,600 --> 00:57:41,120
Speaker 1: See right now, there's some big arguments happening within the

1150
00:57:41,200 --> 00:57:45,640
Speaker 1: NIL space and within athletic departments and coaching staffs about

1151
00:57:45,680 --> 00:57:48,959
Speaker 1: how we should take this collective money. Now, of course,

1152
00:57:49,000 --> 00:57:52,520
Speaker 1: in reality, that shouldn't be decided by coaches. We understand

1153
00:57:52,560 --> 00:57:54,520
Speaker 1: we live in the real world. That's how it's happening.

1154
00:57:54,600 --> 00:57:57,200
Speaker 1: So the argument is not whether we should find ways

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00:57:57,200 --> 00:58:00,200
Speaker 1: to distribute this money. The argument is who do we

1156
00:58:00,240 --> 00:58:03,120
Speaker 1: pay and when do we pay him. There's one school

1157
00:58:03,160 --> 00:58:06,240
Speaker 1: of thought out there that you take all the NIL

1158
00:58:06,320 --> 00:58:09,680
Speaker 1: resources you have and you buy your recruiting class. It

1159
00:58:09,760 --> 00:58:13,560
Speaker 1: seems pretty simple, right, It's not because there are some

1160
00:58:13,600 --> 00:58:16,200
Speaker 1: other folks out there, and I think that there's some

1161
00:58:16,360 --> 00:58:19,840
Speaker 1: very very big staffs that feel this way, that say,

1162
00:58:20,240 --> 00:58:24,720
Speaker 1: we're not paying a high school senior six figures who

1163
00:58:24,760 --> 00:58:27,480
Speaker 1: has never played a down for us. We're not doing it.

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00:58:27,920 --> 00:58:31,600
Speaker 1: What we will do is we will offer opportunity and

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00:58:31,680 --> 00:58:35,200
Speaker 1: we will show him that the best players at our

1166
00:58:35,360 --> 00:58:39,000
Speaker 1: program end up making inordinate amounts of money, like ridiculous

1167
00:58:39,000 --> 00:58:42,160
Speaker 1: amounts of money, but they're going to prove themselves here first,

1168
00:58:42,520 --> 00:58:44,720
Speaker 1: and then that's where the money is going to get allocated.

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00:58:44,920 --> 00:58:48,480
Speaker 1: And also here's the added bonus of the incentive. The

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00:58:48,480 --> 00:58:52,040
Speaker 1: major program has look at the forty year decision, not

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00:58:52,160 --> 00:58:54,960
Speaker 1: the four year decision. We offer you an opportunity to

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00:58:55,000 --> 00:58:58,600
Speaker 1: be developed by the best. You got disproportionately better odds

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00:58:58,760 --> 00:59:01,200
Speaker 1: at being a high round draft here than you do

1174
00:59:01,240 --> 00:59:04,760
Speaker 1: if you go elsewhere. You choose. They put the ball

1175
00:59:04,800 --> 00:59:07,520
Speaker 1: on the kids court. You choose. And there are some

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00:59:07,600 --> 00:59:11,200
Speaker 1: programs out there. I quite frankly I think there's one

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00:59:11,240 --> 00:59:14,560
Speaker 1: in Columbus, Ohio right now that may very well miss

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00:59:14,560 --> 00:59:16,680
Speaker 1: out on a kid or two because they are not

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00:59:16,960 --> 00:59:19,920
Speaker 1: willing to pay big NIL money on the front end.

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00:59:20,880 --> 00:59:23,760
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that Ohio State's NIL approach is perfect,

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00:59:24,120 --> 00:59:27,040
Speaker 1: quite frankly, administratively, I think they need to get out

1182
00:59:27,080 --> 00:59:29,080
Speaker 1: of their own way a bit, because they could be

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00:59:29,120 --> 00:59:31,640
Speaker 1: doing a lot better in NIL there if you just,

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00:59:32,440 --> 00:59:35,360
Speaker 1: if you would fully leverage all the resources available to

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00:59:35,400 --> 00:59:38,560
Speaker 1: Ohio State. I think I'm making myself clear. But anyway,

1186
00:59:38,720 --> 00:59:41,120
Speaker 1: I don't think Ryan Day and his coaching staff or

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00:59:41,120 --> 00:59:43,960
Speaker 1: the Ohio State brain Trust are tossing big money at

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00:59:44,000 --> 00:59:47,000
Speaker 1: high school kids at all. I don't think George's doing it,

1189
00:59:47,360 --> 00:59:50,040
Speaker 1: despite what you've heard reported. I don't think that's how

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00:59:50,040 --> 00:59:52,680
Speaker 1: Alabama's operating either. I just mentioned three of the top

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00:59:52,720 --> 00:59:54,880
Speaker 1: programs in the country. I'm not telling you they're not

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00:59:54,920 --> 00:59:57,560
Speaker 1: paying kids. I'm not telling you there's not nil money

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00:59:57,640 --> 00:59:59,840
Speaker 1: to be had there. What I am telling you is

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01:00:00,200 --> 01:00:02,760
Speaker 1: I think some of the big dogs, some of the

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Speaker 1: established programs in this country, are not paying unproven kids

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Speaker 1: untold amounts of money. There may be rare exceptions. Quarterback

1197
01:00:12,040 --> 01:00:15,280
Speaker 1: obviously is chief among them. They're going to spend money

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Speaker 1: on quarterbacks. They are not paying eight hundred grand to

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Speaker 1: an offensive tackle. They're just not They are not going

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Speaker 1: to do it, and there may be another program out

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01:00:23,000 --> 01:00:24,760
Speaker 1: there that does do it. And you got a choice

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01:00:24,760 --> 01:00:27,240
Speaker 1: to make. Do you want to go somewhere where you

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01:00:27,280 --> 01:00:31,280
Speaker 1: get the immediate money and it's questionable whether you'll get developed,

1204
01:00:31,360 --> 01:00:32,680
Speaker 1: or do you want to go to a place that

1205
01:00:32,800 --> 01:00:36,920
Speaker 1: has a long and established track record of developing your position,

1206
01:00:37,040 --> 01:00:40,680
Speaker 1: Knowing that number one, your nil earnings potential is going

1207
01:00:40,720 --> 01:00:42,560
Speaker 1: to peak the moment you step on that campus, and

1208
01:00:42,640 --> 01:00:45,320
Speaker 1: especially the moment you play for that team. And number two,

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01:00:46,400 --> 01:00:49,440
Speaker 1: there's this other nil thing. It's called the NFL. Those

1210
01:00:49,480 --> 01:00:51,480
Speaker 1: are the three letters you really need to be concerned about.

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01:00:51,560 --> 01:00:53,400
Speaker 1: And some of these programs may not offer you a

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01:00:53,400 --> 01:00:56,520
Speaker 1: great big nil bag before you've played a down form

1213
01:00:56,560 --> 01:00:59,520
Speaker 1: out of high school. But what they do offer is

1214
01:00:59,560 --> 01:01:05,560
Speaker 1: eventually some lucrative NIL opportunities and NFL opportunities. Now someone's

1215
01:01:05,600 --> 01:01:09,240
Speaker 1: going to ignorantly come into comments and say, that's foolish.

1216
01:01:09,600 --> 01:01:12,160
Speaker 1: The NFL could find you anywhere. If you can play

1217
01:01:12,280 --> 01:01:15,240
Speaker 1: the NFL, w'll find you. I never said they wouldn't friend.

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01:01:15,360 --> 01:01:17,440
Speaker 1: There's a big difference in being drafted in the sixth

1219
01:01:17,520 --> 01:01:19,680
Speaker 1: round and late in the first round. In the fact

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01:01:19,760 --> 01:01:22,800
Speaker 1: of the matter, and this isn't arguable, is the program

1221
01:01:22,880 --> 01:01:27,600
Speaker 1: you go to has a very very disproportionate impact sometimes

1222
01:01:27,840 --> 01:01:32,240
Speaker 1: on how draftable you end up being. Translation if I

1223
01:01:32,280 --> 01:01:34,880
Speaker 1: am an offensive guard, there are certain programs out there

1224
01:01:34,920 --> 01:01:38,160
Speaker 1: I could go to and do everything in my power,

1225
01:01:38,520 --> 01:01:40,640
Speaker 1: take care of every bit of business on my end,

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01:01:40,760 --> 01:01:43,000
Speaker 1: and I still get underdeveloped, Whereas if I went to

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01:01:43,000 --> 01:01:46,080
Speaker 1: the school down the road, I put forth the same performance.

1228
01:01:46,360 --> 01:01:48,919
Speaker 1: They're just better at developing me. I just made life

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01:01:49,000 --> 01:01:52,680
Speaker 1: changing money. Maybe school A was going to offer me

1230
01:01:52,680 --> 01:01:54,640
Speaker 1: one hundred and ten grand in NIL coming out of

1231
01:01:54,720 --> 01:01:57,720
Speaker 1: high school. Maybe school B said suck it up and

1232
01:01:57,760 --> 01:02:00,640
Speaker 1: earn it. What was the right to time decision for me?

1233
01:02:00,760 --> 01:02:03,600
Speaker 1: You know? So My point is there is no wrong decision.

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01:02:03,640 --> 01:02:06,760
Speaker 1: It's your decision. I just think some of these programs

1235
01:02:06,800 --> 01:02:08,480
Speaker 1: are looking at it and saying we're not going to

1236
01:02:08,520 --> 01:02:10,560
Speaker 1: pay you that kind of money, and if they will,

1237
01:02:10,600 --> 01:02:15,920
Speaker 1: like I have had pretty reputable sources tell me we

1238
01:02:16,040 --> 01:02:19,680
Speaker 1: have passed on kids who have told us their offers,

1239
01:02:19,800 --> 01:02:21,920
Speaker 1: Like I had a coach tell me flat out. I

1240
01:02:21,960 --> 01:02:23,560
Speaker 1: had a kid come to me and say he got

1241
01:02:23,600 --> 01:02:26,040
Speaker 1: offered X amount of money and I had to tell him,

1242
01:02:26,320 --> 01:02:28,640
Speaker 1: if they're really offering you that you need to take it.

1243
01:02:30,400 --> 01:02:33,000
Speaker 1: That's tough. You've invested two or three years in some

1244
01:02:33,040 --> 01:02:35,640
Speaker 1: cases in recruiting these kids. Here's the other thing that's

1245
01:02:35,880 --> 01:02:38,680
Speaker 1: just understood at this point, which I think will end

1246
01:02:38,760 --> 01:02:42,200
Speaker 1: up balancing out the whole NIL structure. As I've told

1247
01:02:42,240 --> 01:02:45,600
Speaker 1: you before, I think conferences will eventually get involved in this,

1248
01:02:45,880 --> 01:02:48,120
Speaker 1: and the NILE game will be turned upside down. In

1249
01:02:48,160 --> 01:02:51,960
Speaker 1: the meantime, I think the transfer portal is going to

1250
01:02:52,400 --> 01:02:55,880
Speaker 1: very very quickly adjust how the NIL game is played.

1251
01:02:56,760 --> 01:03:00,200
Speaker 1: Because if you do go to school B. In the

1252
01:03:00,200 --> 01:03:03,400
Speaker 1: aforementioned scenario, you could just be telling yourself the whole time,

1253
01:03:03,720 --> 01:03:06,120
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go there and get that freshman money and

1254
01:03:06,120 --> 01:03:09,520
Speaker 1: then I'll transfer to the place that's gonna develop me better. Well,

1255
01:03:10,000 --> 01:03:13,960
Speaker 1: that leads a little incentive to front load your your agreement,

1256
01:03:14,280 --> 01:03:16,720
Speaker 1: your contract for lack of a better term, with school

1257
01:03:16,800 --> 01:03:19,360
Speaker 1: A A lot of school A school be there. My

1258
01:03:19,480 --> 01:03:22,320
Speaker 1: point is there are some programs out there right now

1259
01:03:22,760 --> 01:03:25,600
Speaker 1: who are going to miss out on some high profile kids.

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01:03:25,960 --> 01:03:29,800
Speaker 1: Come early signing Day, National signing Day, you're gonna see it.

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01:03:29,800 --> 01:03:31,760
Speaker 1: It's not gonna make a whole lot of sense to you.

1262
01:03:31,760 --> 01:03:34,840
Speaker 1: You will pretty well be able to guarantee what happened

1263
01:03:35,040 --> 01:03:39,680
Speaker 1: in that recruitment. I'm just saying, it's not that they

1264
01:03:39,720 --> 01:03:44,120
Speaker 1: couldn't afford them, it's that, in principle they refused to

1265
01:03:44,200 --> 01:03:47,160
Speaker 1: afford them. That is the game being played behind the

1266
01:03:47,200 --> 01:03:50,920
Speaker 1: scenes right now. The game being played here is this

1267
01:03:51,040 --> 01:03:54,040
Speaker 1: day has sucked, but we've delivered you a show anyway.

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01:03:54,680 --> 01:03:56,920
Speaker 1: We appreciate you guys for watching, for tuning in. Make

1269
01:03:56,920 --> 01:03:59,200
Speaker 1: sure you like the video on the way out, subscribe

1270
01:03:59,200 --> 01:04:01,440
Speaker 1: to the channel. You can follow me on all the

1271
01:04:01,480 --> 01:04:03,560
Speaker 1: suffa at Late Kicking Josh, we have a lot of

1272
01:04:03,560 --> 01:04:05,720
Speaker 1: fun on those are loving me on what we do

1273
01:04:05,800 --> 01:04:11,080
Speaker 1: on the show. But until Thursday, same time, same Chat.

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01:04:11,520 --> 01:04:14,720
Speaker 1: Take care for direct college or producer Jesse. I'm Josh Kay.

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Speaker 1: Thanks so much for watching Devils