WEBVTT - 021123 A Time for Ebony Excellence (Part 1) 0:00:00.200 --> 0:00:02.520 Welcome to another episode of Civic Cipher. I'm your host, 0:00:02.600 --> 0:00:05.560 Ramsy's job. He is rams Joh I am Q Ward. 0:00:05.600 --> 0:00:13.720 Together we like to call ourselves unlucky weirdos sometimes, but 0:00:13.800 --> 0:00:18.680 you are currently listening to Civic Cipher this indeed, uh Man, 0:00:18.760 --> 0:00:21.880 unlucky wirdos. That's right for those that don't know the uninitiated. 0:00:21.920 --> 0:00:25.400 Q and I we started off DJs, and when we 0:00:25.440 --> 0:00:28.480 work together we call ourselves unlucky weirdos. I think that 0:00:28.560 --> 0:00:30.960 name is excellent. Still, yeah, we're bringing it back. Yeah, 0:00:30.960 --> 0:00:33.080 but right now Civic Ciphers in full effect. A lot 0:00:33.120 --> 0:00:35.360 to stick around for, so please do. Today we are 0:00:35.400 --> 0:00:38.360 going to be talking about something. 0:00:38.840 --> 0:00:40.440 It's gonna be a bit of a discussion. 0:00:40.440 --> 0:00:43.640 We're gonna we're gonna open the floor up to our listeners. 0:00:44.000 --> 0:00:46.840 We will not profess to be experts, but it's something 0:00:46.880 --> 0:00:49.959 interesting that I think it's we're talking about again. We're 0:00:50.000 --> 0:00:54.760 going to discuss standpoint theory. Heard about this recently and 0:00:54.800 --> 0:00:58.600 I thought it was important given a conversation I had recently. 0:01:01.320 --> 0:01:04.720 And also, we are going to spend some time talking 0:01:04.800 --> 0:01:07.840 about a any excellence. 0:01:08.160 --> 0:01:12.280 You know, we spend this show. 0:01:12.319 --> 0:01:16.839 We spend a lot of time talking about really heavy things. 0:01:17.560 --> 0:01:20.520 But this past week, so many amazing things have happened, 0:01:20.840 --> 0:01:25.039 so many things worth highlighting, that we felt like we 0:01:25.080 --> 0:01:26.520 can dedicate a whole segment to that. 0:01:26.600 --> 0:01:28.960 So we're gonna We're gonna. 0:01:28.840 --> 0:01:32.800 Enjoy some accomplishments today, do some celebrating, and of course 0:01:32.840 --> 0:01:36.000 we're going to have our own dedicated any excellence as well. 0:01:36.760 --> 0:01:38.200 Let's see what else we have to stick around for 0:01:39.319 --> 0:01:42.759 our baba become a better ally This week is excellent, 0:01:42.920 --> 0:01:46.000 and we're going to tell a story about a woman 0:01:46.040 --> 0:01:49.640 who made history before Rosa Parks did. Her name is 0:01:49.760 --> 0:01:53.200 Elizabeth Jennings Graham, and I promise you'll definitely want to 0:01:53.200 --> 0:01:56.800 stick around for that story for our way Black history fact. 0:01:56.800 --> 0:01:59.760 But first and foremost, I think it's time to get 0:01:59.800 --> 0:02:02.120 an Ebony excellence. Q. How do you feel about that? 0:02:02.160 --> 0:02:06.680 Shall we shall so? Our first Ebny Excellence that we'll 0:02:06.720 --> 0:02:11.320 be discussing this week is sponsored by Hip Hop Weekly 0:02:11.360 --> 0:02:15.440 Media and the story comes from the La Times and 0:02:15.480 --> 0:02:17.920 we are shouting out once again on the show the 0:02:18.000 --> 0:02:23.120 One the Only Beyonce and I will read. Beyonce has 0:02:23.160 --> 0:02:27.400 broken the record for most lifetime Grammy wins with thirty 0:02:27.440 --> 0:02:31.360 two with her victories for Dance Electronic Music Recording, Traditional 0:02:31.480 --> 0:02:33.240 R and B Performance, Best R and B Song, and 0:02:33.320 --> 0:02:39.480 Dance Electronic Music Album. Beyoncey surpassed late classical conductor Greg Solty, 0:02:40.120 --> 0:02:44.240 who won thirty one Grammys. She entered the night with 0:02:44.320 --> 0:02:50.200 twenty eight Grammys, and she is the most nominated artist 0:02:50.440 --> 0:02:55.840 on Earth. She has eighty eight nominations, and that's a 0:02:55.880 --> 0:03:00.160 distinction that she shares with her husband, Jay Z. Her 0:03:00.400 --> 0:03:03.160 career triumph came in the wake of her twenty twenty 0:03:03.160 --> 0:03:06.800 two album Renaissance, which dipped into nineties dance music, seventies disco, 0:03:07.200 --> 0:03:10.120 modern electronic music, and classic R and B and a 0:03:10.240 --> 0:03:17.560 virtual stick sprawling ode to black queer club culture. And 0:03:17.600 --> 0:03:19.720 there are those of us who feel that she should 0:03:19.760 --> 0:03:23.840 have won Album of the Year, And if you know 0:03:23.919 --> 0:03:28.000 anything about the Beehive, you know that that's not. 0:03:28.000 --> 0:03:29.040 A small amount of people. 0:03:30.280 --> 0:03:34.000 I can't pretend that I'm the biggest Beyonce fan. I 0:03:34.040 --> 0:03:36.200 am a huge fan, but you know, there are certainly 0:03:36.240 --> 0:03:40.960 people who know more about her career and just everything 0:03:40.960 --> 0:03:42.640 about her and all that she and bodies than I do. 0:03:43.080 --> 0:03:46.200 But I definitely recognize the Aveny excellence when I see it, 0:03:46.240 --> 0:03:49.000 and That's why she's been the subject of our Aveny 0:03:49.040 --> 0:03:53.160 Excellence feature maybe five times now. So once again, credit 0:03:53.200 --> 0:03:56.960 words do shout out to Beyonce, mostly the most awarded 0:03:57.600 --> 0:04:01.240 Grammy winner in history of the Grammys. 0:04:02.640 --> 0:04:05.280 But it don't stop there, and it shouldn't. 0:04:06.280 --> 0:04:10.200 That way, because as I mentioned, we're going to spend 0:04:10.560 --> 0:04:14.240 some time this episode talking about any excellence. Now, I 0:04:14.280 --> 0:04:16.960 want to take a moment and let you know a 0:04:16.960 --> 0:04:21.320 little bit about radio. So you know, our show, we 0:04:21.360 --> 0:04:26.040 didn't start off doing civic cipher. We started off doing 0:04:26.520 --> 0:04:31.120 typical hip hop radio shows, djaying, you know, throwing to 0:04:31.920 --> 0:04:34.720 you know, commercial breaks, teasing, you know, for folks to 0:04:34.760 --> 0:04:37.200 come back, you know, all this sort of stuff. Right, 0:04:38.320 --> 0:04:43.039 we wanted to make this show kind of consistent with 0:04:43.240 --> 0:04:49.119 that format. So Abny Excellence was a feature we thought 0:04:49.360 --> 0:04:58.040 really helped us to anchor this to positivity and a 0:04:58.080 --> 0:05:00.720 positive momentum with the show that really dealt with some 0:05:00.760 --> 0:05:05.640 heavy subjects. Right, But we always knew that two minutes 0:05:05.960 --> 0:05:12.960 per hour per week wasn't enough, and that always felt 0:05:13.000 --> 0:05:16.919 like a sacrifice that we had to make. I'm speaking 0:05:16.920 --> 0:05:18.960 for both of us, but you know the sacrifice we 0:05:18.960 --> 0:05:20.520 had to make because of course we had to deal 0:05:20.520 --> 0:05:22.960 with a lot of more pressing issues. 0:05:22.960 --> 0:05:26.159 I guess we knew it wasn't enough, But I think 0:05:26.160 --> 0:05:28.200 one of the first things you said that is that 0:05:28.240 --> 0:05:33.560 it wasn't nothing because we didn't always have a segment 0:05:33.600 --> 0:05:35.600 of the show that made us smile, Like it was 0:05:35.720 --> 0:05:39.560 just the things that we had to talk about. And 0:05:39.640 --> 0:05:42.679 you and I both agree, like, it can't just be that, Yeah, 0:05:42.720 --> 0:05:44.640 even when that's all that we're being given. 0:05:44.720 --> 0:05:47.400 We have to seek out some reasons that we're happy. 0:05:47.520 --> 0:05:50.359 Yeah, And I think a reason too, you know, for 0:05:50.440 --> 0:05:52.880 folks that are listening to our show every week and 0:05:53.000 --> 0:05:53.600 not black. 0:05:55.279 --> 0:05:59.080 We felt like it was important to not just be 0:06:02.480 --> 0:06:05.279 the source of or like. 0:06:05.960 --> 0:06:09.120 I wouldn't even know how to say it, just constantly 0:06:09.880 --> 0:06:13.000 wallowing in our own misery effectively, is what I'm trying 0:06:13.040 --> 0:06:18.200 to say. We do smile, we do celebrate, we are happy, 0:06:18.240 --> 0:06:22.200 we do accomplish amazing things, and at the same time, 0:06:22.320 --> 0:06:24.719 the other side of that coin is that we deal 0:06:24.760 --> 0:06:34.839 with a reality that is problematic at points, and you know, 0:06:34.880 --> 0:06:36.920 both of those things can be true, and a lot 0:06:36.960 --> 0:06:39.440 of what we were learning at the time when the 0:06:39.480 --> 0:06:43.360 show was initially conceived is that many people who really 0:06:43.400 --> 0:06:50.280 do celebrate black culture and black people, and they love 0:06:50.320 --> 0:06:55.640 black people. They don't really have access to meaningful access 0:06:55.640 --> 0:06:58.440 to the other side of that coin. They don't recognize 0:06:58.480 --> 0:07:00.800 the struggles. They just think, well, Obama did it, why 0:07:00.800 --> 0:07:02.960 can't you do it? You know, Beyonce did it, why 0:07:03.000 --> 0:07:05.440 can't you do it? You know? And that's a very 0:07:05.720 --> 0:07:14.840 unfair approach because not everybody is Beyonce talented, let's be honest. 0:07:15.160 --> 0:07:20.760 But also there's a significant amount of what you may 0:07:20.840 --> 0:07:23.160 end up calling luck. It's not luck, but you know, 0:07:23.280 --> 0:07:28.120 luck that goes into these these stories where people that 0:07:28.280 --> 0:07:30.600 have these talents or have these gifts or whatever that 0:07:30.720 --> 0:07:34.800 they actually peek through and make make it to the 0:07:34.920 --> 0:07:35.880 end of that long journey. 0:07:35.920 --> 0:07:38.840 I think you're more right than you realize, though, like 0:07:38.920 --> 0:07:41.680 the luck part, because you can work very hard and 0:07:41.720 --> 0:07:44.720 be very talented, and the only people that we know 0:07:44.920 --> 0:07:47.320 plenty of stories like yeah, So I think that I 0:07:47.320 --> 0:07:49.400 don't want to downplay the luck part. And you can 0:07:49.400 --> 0:07:51.040 call it luck, you can call it prayer, you can 0:07:51.080 --> 0:07:53.840 call it divine intervention. But it's not just you. It's 0:07:53.840 --> 0:07:56.080 not just you were dope and work really hard, so 0:07:56.120 --> 0:07:58.400 you made it. Like it doesn't does it doesn't work. 0:07:58.280 --> 0:08:02.240 That way, right, there's definitely some divine alignean even for 0:08:02.280 --> 0:08:06.080 the show that we're talking about now, our show Civic Cipher. 0:08:09.680 --> 0:08:13.960 For us to be as successful with this endeavor, there 0:08:13.960 --> 0:08:18.880 had to be some people along the way who, despite 0:08:19.160 --> 0:08:30.120 having a different opinion, a different political philosophy, persuasion, et cetera, 0:08:30.560 --> 0:08:35.240 you know, had to green light our ability to talk 0:08:35.280 --> 0:08:39.720 to you right now. And you know, most of the 0:08:39.720 --> 0:08:42.440 people would not even want that, They would not even 0:08:42.600 --> 0:08:46.080 encourage the conversations that we're having because it does not 0:08:46.160 --> 0:08:49.040 reflect their worldview. I'm happy to say that many of 0:08:49.040 --> 0:08:51.760 them have kind of moved a little bit more towards 0:08:51.800 --> 0:08:54.600 the center since kind of dipping their tone in these 0:08:54.720 --> 0:08:57.920 civic cipher waters and subscribing to the scife life along 0:08:57.960 --> 0:09:04.520 with me and Q here but one, sir, But yeah, 0:09:04.720 --> 0:09:10.920 we needed to make sure that we represented a full 0:09:11.679 --> 0:09:18.680 spectrum of what it meant to be black and brown 0:09:18.679 --> 0:09:19.920 and indigenous and so forth. 0:09:19.960 --> 0:09:20.320 We hold this. 0:09:20.360 --> 0:09:23.679 Space for our brothers and sisters, our AAPI doesn't and everyone. 0:09:23.360 --> 0:09:26.160 Else who maybe they don't have a space like this. 0:09:27.000 --> 0:09:29.679 We do believe in solidarity here, but primarily it is 0:09:29.720 --> 0:09:31.920 a black space. It was conceived to be a black space, 0:09:32.200 --> 0:09:39.000 and we needed to not misrepresent our people here. And 0:09:39.000 --> 0:09:40.960 so Ebny excellence was something that we had to work 0:09:40.960 --> 0:09:43.560 into the we wanted to and had to work into this. 0:09:44.240 --> 0:09:47.000 They're called clocks, it's radio terminology. We had to work 0:09:47.000 --> 0:09:49.960 it into our clock as a segment so that we 0:09:50.080 --> 0:09:51.600 had a bright moment. 0:09:52.800 --> 0:09:55.560 And we had to commit ourselves to having a bright 0:09:55.600 --> 0:09:58.360 moment because it'd be easy to get lost in just what. 0:09:59.000 --> 0:09:59.880 Is me or what was U? 0:10:00.120 --> 0:10:01.960 And then you know, you guys be tuning out, like, oh, 0:10:02.000 --> 0:10:04.400 it's such a drag listening to that. We're happy people, 0:10:04.440 --> 0:10:08.200 We celebrate, we love, we live, We play with our children. 0:10:08.760 --> 0:10:11.600 Last night my son was doing science experiments in my house, 0:10:12.040 --> 0:10:14.439 was a little National Geographic science kid. 0:10:14.760 --> 0:10:16.440 You know, we made memories last night. 0:10:16.480 --> 0:10:19.760 You know this is no different, right, but you know 0:10:19.880 --> 0:10:23.760 you may not have glimpses into that beyond the more traumatic, 0:10:23.760 --> 0:10:25.600 troubling things you see in the news. And so again, 0:10:25.800 --> 0:10:29.959 have any excellence was meant to bring that balance. In fact, 0:10:29.960 --> 0:10:34.000 our positioners broadcast the balance and defend the discourse. So 0:10:36.240 --> 0:10:42.560 dedicating a segment to it is something that feels long overdue, 0:10:42.679 --> 0:10:48.280 and so I want to make sure that we shine 0:10:48.280 --> 0:10:49.959 a light on some of these things that we believe 0:10:49.960 --> 0:10:52.240 our examples of that any excellence. So first up is 0:10:52.280 --> 0:10:57.640 a woman named Ruth Simmons, So I'll read a bit 0:10:57.640 --> 0:11:02.679 about her. She was born Gene Stubblefield on July third, 0:11:02.760 --> 0:11:07.679 nineteen forty five. She's an American professor and academic administrator. 0:11:07.880 --> 0:11:10.719 She is president of Prairie View A and M University, 0:11:11.360 --> 0:11:13.880 which is a historically black university. 0:11:14.000 --> 0:11:15.640 One time for today, HBCUs. 0:11:15.720 --> 0:11:19.120 Indeed, Now, the reason that we're talking about her today 0:11:19.200 --> 0:11:22.760 as an example of ebony excellence is because in her 0:11:22.800 --> 0:11:27.079 previous assignment, she served as the eighteenth president of Brown University. 0:11:27.559 --> 0:11:30.000 She did this from two thousand and one to twenty twelve, 0:11:30.400 --> 0:11:34.120 where she was the first African American president of an 0:11:34.160 --> 0:11:39.640 Ivy League institution, not African American woman, African American person, 0:11:40.440 --> 0:11:44.600 and that happened in two thousand and one Ivy League institution. Now, 0:11:44.640 --> 0:11:47.839 you know that, you know that there were brilliant Black 0:11:47.880 --> 0:11:52.280 minds prior to two thousand and one. You know, we 0:11:52.320 --> 0:11:56.599 hear the stories and they're incredible academics. 0:11:57.840 --> 0:12:02.560 But I think this shows that they're still. 0:12:04.440 --> 0:12:06.439 Sort of a good old boys club. Not to take 0:12:06.480 --> 0:12:09.280 anything away from the people that deserve those positions. But 0:12:10.160 --> 0:12:14.719 it's hard to break in, it's hard to affect change. 0:12:14.920 --> 0:12:20.600 And we are now catching up, as illustrated by the 0:12:20.640 --> 0:12:24.880 first black president of an Ivy League school happening in 0:12:24.880 --> 0:12:28.720 two thousand and one, the effects of this type of 0:12:31.200 --> 0:12:34.280 trajectory in this country, this type of storyline in this country, 0:12:35.080 --> 0:12:37.360 the ripple effect is that now there's a battle on 0:12:37.720 --> 0:12:41.200 educating children under the guise of protecting children. 0:12:42.000 --> 0:12:44.960 There's a battle on books at this point, which is 0:12:44.960 --> 0:12:49.680 a really scary part. It's kind of happening under our nose, 0:12:49.720 --> 0:12:51.760 but right in front of our faces at the same time. 0:12:52.320 --> 0:12:54.719 The idea, I think there was like a book I 0:12:54.800 --> 0:12:58.160 can't remember who wrote it, but it was called Fahrenheit 0:12:58.559 --> 0:13:01.640 four or five one or fahrenheit four one five. It's 0:13:01.640 --> 0:13:05.640 the temperature which pages burned, and the book they made 0:13:05.640 --> 0:13:09.120 a movie about it about, you know, essentially destroying books. 0:13:09.120 --> 0:13:11.560 That was like a that was science fiction when it 0:13:11.640 --> 0:13:12.080 was written. 0:13:14.000 --> 0:13:16.720 Now and you know, we're actually going to talk about 0:13:16.960 --> 0:13:19.560 that a little bit more later. Well, yeah, yeah, because 0:13:19.600 --> 0:13:23.440 there's the second part of the show where we're gonna 0:13:23.559 --> 0:13:29.679 talk about standpoint theory. There's a great example of that 0:13:29.800 --> 0:13:32.480 and it uses an author whose books have been banned. 0:13:32.640 --> 0:13:35.920 She's probably the most banned author Tony Morrison. 0:13:35.720 --> 0:13:38.280 And so dangerous. Yeah, so. 0:13:40.120 --> 0:13:42.720 Before we get there, still talking about Ebney excellence, this 0:13:42.800 --> 0:13:47.360 one makes me very very happy. You know, some of 0:13:47.440 --> 0:13:51.480 us call her Auntie And if when you find out 0:13:51.520 --> 0:13:55.840 who it is, you'll know why Viola Davis has officially 0:13:55.880 --> 0:14:00.040 achieved the coveted egot status. Uh and just so you 0:14:00.120 --> 0:14:02.800 know this this part for the OA Davis I'm pulling 0:14:02.840 --> 0:14:08.439 from the Black Information Network. She won at the Grammys 0:14:08.760 --> 0:14:12.080 this year as well, and she took home the award 0:14:12.120 --> 0:14:15.400 for Best Audiobook Narration and Storytelling Recording. 0:14:15.840 --> 0:14:17.280 Have you had a chance to hear it yet? I 0:14:17.320 --> 0:14:20.880 have not. I have not you it's incredible. Yeah, yeah, 0:14:20.880 --> 0:14:21.240 I believe it. 0:14:21.400 --> 0:14:23.960 Well, the thing is, I know she's an incredible actor, 0:14:24.040 --> 0:14:26.720 so she's reading her own books. You probably sell it, right, 0:14:28.520 --> 0:14:32.480 But I knew going into that that she was up 0:14:32.640 --> 0:14:36.440 for an egot. Now, for those who don't know egot is. 0:14:37.360 --> 0:14:39.240 Well, I don't want you to say for an egot 0:14:39.280 --> 0:14:40.640 because it's not a singular thing that. 0:14:40.680 --> 0:14:42.200 You for the egot. 0:14:42.280 --> 0:14:45.440 I guess which is the quadruple crown if you will, 0:14:45.480 --> 0:14:49.640 So These are all prestigious awards that very few individuals 0:14:50.320 --> 0:14:53.160 get all four of them. This is like your cemented 0:14:53.240 --> 0:14:57.400 in entertainment history with an elite few. And this is 0:14:57.440 --> 0:15:01.320 not just box office success, her album sales or anything 0:15:01.400 --> 0:15:05.760 like that, which are all well and good. This is 0:15:06.800 --> 0:15:12.320 recognized by your peers, I believe, and by the community 0:15:12.480 --> 0:15:20.720 that the entertainment community at large as having made significant 0:15:20.880 --> 0:15:28.440 contribute contributions in multiple veins of entertainment. And so it's 0:15:28.480 --> 0:15:32.240 it suffices to say it's it's quite coveted. Whoopi Goldberg 0:15:32.760 --> 0:15:37.200 is an is an EGOT uh winner and so or 0:15:37.560 --> 0:15:39.720 she won all of the EGOT awards and. 0:15:39.720 --> 0:15:44.520 So that's kind of the benchmark and uh, and remind 0:15:44.520 --> 0:15:47.880 the audience what E G O T stands. Absolutely So it's. 0:15:47.880 --> 0:15:55.240 Emmy, Grammy Oscar and Tony Emmy being for. 0:15:55.120 --> 0:15:56.160 Television, sir. 0:15:56.880 --> 0:16:00.280 Uh, So you have to be recognized as as an 0:16:00.280 --> 0:16:04.920 elite performer in television and win that award Oscar sorry, 0:16:05.240 --> 0:16:08.960 Grammy of course's music. And this is what Aiola Davis 0:16:08.960 --> 0:16:13.280 won this year Oscars of Courses. You know, it's from movies. 0:16:13.480 --> 0:16:16.240 So she's an Oscar winner, which any one of these 0:16:16.280 --> 0:16:19.400 by themselves, Yes, is an incredible It comes you know, 0:16:19.560 --> 0:16:21.800 just to be nominated. That's something that follows you through 0:16:21.840 --> 0:16:24.680 the rest of your risk. Win them is you know, 0:16:24.720 --> 0:16:26.840 it puts you so to win all four. 0:16:27.600 --> 0:16:28.760 Hopefully this is not making sense. 0:16:29.280 --> 0:16:32.760 And then a Tony is for stage performances, so like 0:16:32.800 --> 0:16:35.600 a live like Broadway theater, you have to win an 0:16:35.640 --> 0:16:39.560 award for your performance in a live arena. And so 0:16:39.760 --> 0:16:43.080 you can imagine how difficult this is to accomplish, and 0:16:43.120 --> 0:16:45.520 so only a handful of people who have actually done it. 0:16:45.880 --> 0:16:48.680 Now Viola Davis has done it, and I can't say 0:16:48.720 --> 0:16:55.160 it enough. That's absolutely a glowing example of ebony excellence. 0:16:56.160 --> 0:17:01.720 I will say this last bitness is from NBC News. 0:17:01.920 --> 0:17:06.040 She's quoted as saying, it's been such a journey. I 0:17:06.280 --> 0:17:09.760 just got an egot. Uh. And if you wanted to 0:17:09.840 --> 0:17:12.679 find the book and I need to find myself. The 0:17:12.680 --> 0:17:15.720 audiobook is called Find Me, and that's the one that 0:17:16.359 --> 0:17:18.960 got the twenty twenty three Grammy Award. So shout out 0:17:19.000 --> 0:17:27.480 to the Yola Davis. Now, Autumn Lockwood, we're gonna we're 0:17:27.480 --> 0:17:30.760 gonna shift gears here because you know, we're in Super 0:17:30.800 --> 0:17:36.600 Bowl time and we're in the city where the super 0:17:36.600 --> 0:17:39.400 Bowl is taking place, you know, putting putting our show 0:17:39.440 --> 0:17:43.240 together this week, So I want to make sure that 0:17:44.240 --> 0:17:50.160 we acknowledge that, but also we acknowledge the people who 0:17:50.200 --> 0:17:52.639 are involved, so you understand why it's important to us, 0:17:52.640 --> 0:17:55.960 but also that it's important to us not just because 0:17:55.960 --> 0:17:56.800 it's here, but because of. 0:17:56.760 --> 0:17:57.520 The people involved. 0:17:57.600 --> 0:18:01.000 So I want to you want she take this next one, 0:18:01.240 --> 0:18:03.720 because we're again getting into the sports arena, and that's 0:18:03.720 --> 0:18:04.480 a little bit beyond. 0:18:04.920 --> 0:18:10.600 The interesting thing about coach Lockwood is that she's in 0:18:10.640 --> 0:18:14.439 a space where the organizations in the National Football League have, 0:18:15.359 --> 0:18:19.680 with very little resistance, been able to almost exclusively promote 0:18:20.560 --> 0:18:25.840 hire and employ white men in positions of power and leadership, 0:18:27.560 --> 0:18:30.080 and just being able to point to what they consider 0:18:30.240 --> 0:18:34.119 not just the talent pool, but those who are in 0:18:34.200 --> 0:18:37.119 waiting and those who are being groomed as if the 0:18:37.160 --> 0:18:39.920 only people that fit into those positions are white men, 0:18:40.160 --> 0:18:45.360 even though the talent pool of players is predominantly African American. 0:18:46.040 --> 0:18:47.879 For there to not just be a black person, but 0:18:47.920 --> 0:18:52.800 a black woman in a position in an NFL, it's 0:18:52.800 --> 0:18:55.520 hard because you want to give them credit for hiring her. 0:18:56.280 --> 0:19:02.920 But just like you said earlier with Ruth Simmons man, 0:19:02.960 --> 0:19:06.360 it took too long, right in twenty twenty three, it'd 0:19:06.359 --> 0:19:09.200 be the first time, Like we shouldn't still be having 0:19:09.240 --> 0:19:11.960 these first But I don't want to rain on this parade. 0:19:12.000 --> 0:19:15.800 I do want to celebrate her Autumn is an assistant 0:19:15.880 --> 0:19:20.440 sports performance coach for the Philadelphia Eagles, who just arrived 0:19:21.600 --> 0:19:24.000 in Arizona for the Super Bowl a few days ago. 0:19:24.720 --> 0:19:26.760 She would take the field as the first black woman 0:19:26.800 --> 0:19:29.320 to coach in the Super Bowl when her team faces 0:19:29.320 --> 0:19:33.800 off against the Kansas City Chiefs Sunday, February twelfth. Lockwood, 0:19:33.800 --> 0:19:35.840 a graduate of the University of Arizona shout out to 0:19:36.280 --> 0:19:40.040 the Cats bare Down and a former soccer player, broke 0:19:40.040 --> 0:19:42.639 into the industry as a sports information director and Olympic 0:19:42.680 --> 0:19:47.000 strength and conditioning coach at her alma mater. Lockwood went 0:19:47.040 --> 0:19:48.879 on to work with the University of Houston as a 0:19:48.880 --> 0:19:52.359 sports performance coordinator in twenty twenty one. She continued her 0:19:52.400 --> 0:19:54.560 line of work as a strength and conditioning assistant at 0:19:54.600 --> 0:19:58.280 East Tennessee State, the University of Nevada, Las Vegas UNLV, 0:19:59.240 --> 0:20:01.520 and with the a Loant of Falcons before joining the 0:20:01.560 --> 0:20:05.520 Eagles in August of twenty twenty two. 0:20:06.080 --> 0:20:08.280 You know, I want to say something for those of 0:20:08.320 --> 0:20:16.520 you listening. These conversations that we're having are important, but 0:20:17.800 --> 0:20:19.800 I have to remind you. I do this probably every 0:20:19.800 --> 0:20:21.600 two or three shows. I want to remind you again 0:20:21.680 --> 0:20:24.560 that none of this comes from a place of anger. 0:20:24.800 --> 0:20:29.320 Some of it is like our coming to terms with reality, 0:20:29.400 --> 0:20:33.080 our realizing dang, that's never happened before. Now, wow, the 0:20:33.119 --> 0:20:36.159 system is more broken than we originally thought, or you 0:20:36.160 --> 0:20:37.919 know this, how can this be? 0:20:38.280 --> 0:20:38.520 You know? 0:20:39.000 --> 0:20:41.440 And I recognize that if we're playing a numbers game, 0:20:41.600 --> 0:20:44.440 more men are interested in football overall than are all women. 0:20:45.880 --> 0:20:48.240 But you know, you're absolutely right there. 0:20:48.400 --> 0:20:52.600 If we're looking at the color line, they're overwhelmingly more 0:20:53.240 --> 0:21:01.320 people in those thinking, planning, strategizing, leading positions in football organizations. 0:21:02.840 --> 0:21:06.240 But that doesn't necessarily mean that that's, strictly speaking, where 0:21:06.240 --> 0:21:09.359 the concentration of talent is. That's where the opportunities are focused. 0:21:09.400 --> 0:21:12.680 This is my understanding of how it is coming together. Yes, 0:21:12.720 --> 0:21:15.560 that's where we are in twenty twenty three. And I 0:21:15.560 --> 0:21:22.840 think it was further illustrated when I saw Dion Sanders 0:21:22.920 --> 0:21:27.760 interacting with his students that he was coaching. What a 0:21:27.800 --> 0:21:32.560 good man he is and a good role model he is, 0:21:32.640 --> 0:21:35.720 and I can't imagine that there could be a more 0:21:35.760 --> 0:21:38.880 effective role model for the class that he was talking 0:21:38.920 --> 0:21:42.640 to in the clips that I've seen, the classes where 0:21:42.640 --> 0:21:47.040 he's just up there being and saying and teaching and 0:21:47.080 --> 0:21:50.720 being an example of what they can aspire to, and 0:21:50.400 --> 0:21:53.840 that means something. And oftentimes people that end up in 0:21:53.840 --> 0:21:56.399 that position don't look like him, don't have his perspective, 0:21:56.680 --> 0:21:59.000 don't understand what some of those kids might be up 0:21:59.040 --> 0:22:03.920 against with their their aunties and cousins still starving and 0:22:04.119 --> 0:22:07.400 you know, living different lifestyles and so forth, and what 0:22:07.920 --> 0:22:12.200 challenges may be ahead for some of these folks. 0:22:12.200 --> 0:22:15.720 And so especially as his former employer, he was the 0:22:15.760 --> 0:22:18.480 head coach at Jackson State in Mississippi. I'm still sad 0:22:18.480 --> 0:22:20.040 we didn't get a chance to go down there while 0:22:20.040 --> 0:22:23.040 he was still there. But you know, Jackson didn't have 0:22:23.119 --> 0:22:26.760 clean drinking water, and he had and educate these kids 0:22:26.800 --> 0:22:29.880 and get them prepared to go play a game while 0:22:30.040 --> 0:22:35.120 also getting an education. Like it's more than a notion, man. 0:22:34.960 --> 0:22:37.640 But I'm glad that there's progress. 0:22:37.800 --> 0:22:39.560 So I wanted to say that we're moving in the 0:22:39.600 --> 0:22:41.800 right direction just because we're saying this stuff doesn't mean 0:22:41.840 --> 0:22:44.720 that we're mad about the past. We're just acknowledging it. 0:22:44.800 --> 0:22:47.399 We're excited about the future and the direction we're going in. Yesterday, 0:22:47.400 --> 0:22:48.879 I go ahead and knock out that last one. This 0:22:48.960 --> 0:22:52.520 comes from CNN. Both Patrick Mahomes and Jalen Hurt spoke 0:22:52.600 --> 0:22:56.080 to the media on Thursday as they recognized the significance 0:22:56.119 --> 0:22:59.040 of being the first two black quarterbacks to start in 0:22:59.080 --> 0:23:02.639 the same Super Bowl. Boo, wow, before I move on, 0:23:03.520 --> 0:23:04.440 good and it's great. 0:23:04.640 --> 0:23:05.280 That's cool man. 0:23:05.400 --> 0:23:08.280 And you know, being a former football player, you know, 0:23:08.359 --> 0:23:11.240 from five all the way through college, I've heard those 0:23:11.280 --> 0:23:15.240 conversations ram this did play football about how they used 0:23:15.280 --> 0:23:18.720 to perceive black people that play this position or kept 0:23:18.800 --> 0:23:21.080 us from playing the position because they figured we didn't. 0:23:20.800 --> 0:23:23.040 Have the mental capacity to do the job. You see 0:23:23.080 --> 0:23:24.840 what I mean. You have to talk about it. 0:23:24.920 --> 0:23:26.920 So once again, I don't want to. I'm not reigning 0:23:27.000 --> 0:23:29.959 on these celebratory moments, just giving you guys some context 0:23:30.000 --> 0:23:31.280 as to why it's a big deal. 0:23:32.640 --> 0:23:33.280 These are good things. 0:23:33.760 --> 0:23:37.240 Almost exactly thirty five years after Doug Williams became the 0:23:37.280 --> 0:23:39.680 first black quarterback to start and win a Super Bowl 0:23:40.160 --> 0:23:44.200 with the then Washington Redskins. They are now the Washington Commanders, 0:23:44.200 --> 0:23:46.880 I believe because it took them this long to realize 0:23:47.000 --> 0:23:50.399 Redskins probably wasn't the best name for your team, probably 0:23:50.400 --> 0:23:53.160 the worst name with an aboriginal face on the side 0:23:53.160 --> 0:23:56.520 of the helmet. But we'll move on. For twenty seven 0:23:56.600 --> 0:23:59.760 year old Chiefs quarterback Patrick Mahomes, he's looking at his 0:24:00.000 --> 0:24:02.760 second Super Bowl, looking to win his second as the 0:24:02.760 --> 0:24:05.719 team's face off on February twelve, which would make him 0:24:05.760 --> 0:24:09.120 the first black quarterback to win multiple Super Bowl titles. 0:24:09.240 --> 0:24:11.200 So either way, this is going to be a moment 0:24:11.240 --> 0:24:15.640 in history. Yeah, and Patrick, for what it's worth, might 0:24:15.760 --> 0:24:18.560 be the best we've ever seen play the position. 0:24:18.880 --> 0:24:22.240 Great, and that's not q's opinion. That's kind of you. 0:24:23.040 --> 0:24:25.360 There's Tom Brady, who's considered the goat, and then there's 0:24:25.400 --> 0:24:27.879 this kid who they think might be the only person 0:24:27.960 --> 0:24:29.480