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Speaker 1: As a guide and hunter, I've spent thousands of days

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Speaker 1: in the field. This show is about translating my hard

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Speaker 1: won experiences into tips and tactics they'll get you closer

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Speaker 1: to your ultimate goal success in the field. I'm Remy Warren.

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Speaker 1: This is cutting the distance. Welcome back to the podcast. Everyone.

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Speaker 1: Now is going to be the time of year where

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Speaker 1: we're planning for those fall hunts. I like to think

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Speaker 1: of it as application season. Applying is as much a

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Speaker 1: part of the hunting process, especially out West, as getting

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Speaker 1: into the field, because the reality is you can't hunt

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Speaker 1: without a tag, so it's really going to be the

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Speaker 1: first step in the planning phase before we go out hunting.

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Speaker 1: For a lot of people, securing a tag may seem daunting,

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Speaker 1: especially those that are new to it, because the draw

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Speaker 1: systems can be difficult to wade through an understand, and

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Speaker 1: planning for hunts can be confusing with so many deadlines,

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Speaker 1: different types of point systems. It's just a real process.

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Speaker 1: Lucky for you. I've been playing this game across the

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Speaker 1: West for many years, so over the next few weeks,

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Speaker 1: I want to bring to light the various processes and

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Speaker 1: break down some of the nuances of applying and securing

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Speaker 1: a tag. In this week's tag draw breakdown, we're gonna

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Speaker 1: be focusing in on the basics the types of tags

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Speaker 1: and points that are available, and how point creep will

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Speaker 1: affect you, and whether or not it's too late for

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Speaker 1: you if you're just getting started. We'll also do a

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Speaker 1: dive into some of the upcoming state draws and glaze

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Speaker 1: over a couple of states, including Wyoming, Arizona, Utah, Nevada,

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Speaker 1: and Montana. But first, let's share a story of a

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Speaker 1: hunt when I got past the point creep and cashting

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Speaker 1: on some preference points for California mule deer tag. My

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Speaker 1: first real experience with what people like to call point

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Speaker 1: creep happened on a California deer tag. Growing up in

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Speaker 1: the state of Nevada, everything that you would hunt had

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Speaker 1: to be on a draw system, so there was no

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Speaker 1: over the counter tag, So I kind of started at

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Speaker 1: a very young age looking towards other places the hunt

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Speaker 1: that were nearby, California being one of them. More places

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Speaker 1: that I knew Montana, especially because my grandpa lived up

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Speaker 1: looking at applying in other places. So maybe if I

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Speaker 1: didn't draw a tag around home or in my home

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Speaker 1: state that I might have the opportunity to hunt other places.

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Speaker 1: I was looking at through the regulations some of the

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Speaker 1: California stuff. I know, there was an archery area that

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Speaker 1: took two points to draw, So I was like, sweet,

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Speaker 1: It seems like it could be a cool hunt. Um,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna started applying for that. So I started applying.

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Speaker 1: I finally got my two points. I was like, cool,

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Speaker 1: I applied and didn't draw the tag. What the heck

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Speaker 1: happened here? And so then it was like that year

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Speaker 1: For some reason, I think it just became a more

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Speaker 1: So I applied the next year with the three points nothing.

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Speaker 1: Finally got those four points. You know, everything looked like

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Speaker 1: what is going on? I couldn't figure it out. You know.

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Speaker 1: The state was on a preference point system, which was

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Speaker 1: completely different than the bonus point systems many other places.

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Speaker 1: You had to have the most points to get a tag.

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Speaker 1: So I applied again five points nothing. Then on my

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Speaker 1: when I started out only needed two points to get.

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Speaker 1: I'm like, sweet, Okay, Well, it just so happened that

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Speaker 1: I also drew a lot of other tags that year

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Speaker 1: as well. I drew a Nevada elk tag, and Nevada

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Speaker 1: and then I had a Montana limited entry meal dear permit,

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Speaker 1: a general elk license, and then this California tag that

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Speaker 1: took me six years to get. But I was only

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Speaker 1: of refocused my attention to a burn area. There's a

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Speaker 1: of buck I'm looking for. I didn't really have any

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Speaker 1: It's like a big fuzzy velvet rack of a nice

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Speaker 1: and just like ranging. As I get closer and the

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Speaker 1: I settle the pin and release the arrow, perfect shot.

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Speaker 1: a really cool, really cool buck. I was super stoked

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Speaker 1: taking me six. You really can't talk about elk hunting,

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Speaker 1: mule you're hunting, antelope hunting, big horn sheep hunting without

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Speaker 1: talking first about tag draws and applications. It's kind of

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Speaker 1: unique to Western big game hunting. But the tag system

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Speaker 1: in a way that makes sense because there's a limited

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Speaker 1: people that want access to those resources. Western big game

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Speaker 1: hunting is often different than a lot of other maybe

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Speaker 1: like further East hunting or white tail hunting, in the

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Speaker 1: way that we have these large tracts of public land

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Speaker 1: and then we have species that maybe have lower densities

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Speaker 1: So we need to figure out a way that people

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Speaker 1: But also those tags are used to manage wildlife populations

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Speaker 1: in different ways. Some are used to manage them with

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Speaker 1: And then there's another type of tag which really doesn't

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Speaker 1: and I'm gonna keep applying and just keep after it

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00:21:55,359 --> 00:21:58,200
Speaker 1: with that one. Then on the back burner, I'm gonna

434
00:21:58,240 --> 00:22:00,960
Speaker 1: have an over the counter tag or other states that

435
00:22:01,040 --> 00:22:02,880
Speaker 1: are easy to draw, where I can pick up these

436
00:22:02,880 --> 00:22:05,960
Speaker 1: overcounter the tags and plan the hunt that I know

437
00:22:06,000 --> 00:22:07,800
Speaker 1: I'll be able to go on. And I think for

438
00:22:07,840 --> 00:22:10,480
Speaker 1: most people we're really gonna have to focus on those

439
00:22:10,480 --> 00:22:13,320
Speaker 1: over the counter tags. Um, but it's good to have

440
00:22:13,359 --> 00:22:16,239
Speaker 1: the strategy of thinking of hunts that you might want

441
00:22:16,280 --> 00:22:18,520
Speaker 1: to do in the future, especially if you live near

442
00:22:18,560 --> 00:22:20,840
Speaker 1: other states or might be places that you want to

443
00:22:20,880 --> 00:22:22,960
Speaker 1: hunt in the future. You really got to make these

444
00:22:23,000 --> 00:22:26,440
Speaker 1: plans and plan out what you're gonna do. I think

445
00:22:26,440 --> 00:22:29,080
Speaker 1: if you were to look at like the point creep

446
00:22:29,119 --> 00:22:31,080
Speaker 1: in some of these states and you go, Okay, well

447
00:22:31,240 --> 00:22:33,600
Speaker 1: is it too late for me? If you're just getting

448
00:22:33,600 --> 00:22:35,040
Speaker 1: into it, and you say, is it too late? For

449
00:22:35,040 --> 00:22:37,080
Speaker 1: me to even jump in these draws, is it even

450
00:22:37,080 --> 00:22:40,960
Speaker 1: worth me my time, effort, money to apply? And I'm

451
00:22:40,960 --> 00:22:44,040
Speaker 1: gonna say the sad reality is yes and no. So

452
00:22:44,800 --> 00:22:46,639
Speaker 1: it is a little bit too late for some things

453
00:22:46,680 --> 00:22:49,159
Speaker 1: but not for others. And what that means is some

454
00:22:49,240 --> 00:22:52,280
Speaker 1: of these top units in places that use preference points

455
00:22:52,320 --> 00:22:56,480
Speaker 1: between the point creep unless you draw randomly. So the

456
00:22:56,560 --> 00:22:59,080
Speaker 1: yes is like, you will not draw it on a

457
00:22:59,119 --> 00:23:01,920
Speaker 1: preference how Ever, you could potentially draw it as a

458
00:23:02,000 --> 00:23:04,639
Speaker 1: random draw for the now the states that are offering

459
00:23:04,640 --> 00:23:08,160
Speaker 1: these a few of those tags as random draws. But

460
00:23:08,320 --> 00:23:11,800
Speaker 1: also there's you have to think of using those preference

461
00:23:11,840 --> 00:23:14,159
Speaker 1: points not for the top units, but units that you

462
00:23:14,200 --> 00:23:16,560
Speaker 1: can realistically get. So that's kind of the way that

463
00:23:16,600 --> 00:23:19,359
Speaker 1: I see combating the creep. So you look for areas

464
00:23:19,400 --> 00:23:22,040
Speaker 1: that had less points than necessary, then you build your

465
00:23:22,040 --> 00:23:24,240
Speaker 1: points up and you go to those areas. You don't

466
00:23:24,240 --> 00:23:26,240
Speaker 1: want to see it as wasting points. I know I've

467
00:23:26,280 --> 00:23:28,679
Speaker 1: done that in the past, where I have four points

468
00:23:28,680 --> 00:23:30,800
Speaker 1: and I see an area that takes two points to draw,

469
00:23:30,800 --> 00:23:33,440
Speaker 1: and I'm like, oh, but I've got two extra years

470
00:23:33,640 --> 00:23:35,760
Speaker 1: invested in this. I don't want to waste them on

471
00:23:35,800 --> 00:23:38,320
Speaker 1: an area that has two points, I'm gonna go for

472
00:23:38,359 --> 00:23:40,320
Speaker 1: this area that has six, and then you just never

473
00:23:40,440 --> 00:23:43,240
Speaker 1: catch up and you never want to go back. My

474
00:23:43,440 --> 00:23:45,879
Speaker 1: philosophy when it comes to points is just turn and

475
00:23:45,920 --> 00:23:48,040
Speaker 1: burn as much as you can. You're a lot better

476
00:23:48,080 --> 00:23:49,680
Speaker 1: to have a tag in your pocket, be out in

477
00:23:49,720 --> 00:23:52,560
Speaker 1: the field. You can actually kill an elk when you

478
00:23:52,600 --> 00:23:54,800
Speaker 1: have an elk tag and you're out hunting, as opposed

479
00:23:54,800 --> 00:23:57,400
Speaker 1: to having a bunch of points sitting in some imaginary

480
00:23:57,400 --> 00:24:02,159
Speaker 1: wallets somewhere not getting used, and always chasing an area

481
00:24:02,200 --> 00:24:05,600
Speaker 1: that you may never uh statistically be able to draw.

482
00:24:06,160 --> 00:24:07,640
Speaker 1: So what I want to do now is what I'm

483
00:24:07,640 --> 00:24:09,639
Speaker 1: gonna go through a few states and I'm going to

484
00:24:09,880 --> 00:24:12,760
Speaker 1: cover say five of them this week and maybe six

485
00:24:13,200 --> 00:24:16,879
Speaker 1: next week, and just some of the application periods that

486
00:24:16,920 --> 00:24:19,679
Speaker 1: are coming up. Um, So we'll start. I wanna just

487
00:24:19,680 --> 00:24:27,040
Speaker 1: want to cover Wyoming, Utahs, do Montana, Nevada, and Arizona,

488
00:24:27,200 --> 00:24:29,920
Speaker 1: and we can kind of cover those ones, and then um,

489
00:24:29,920 --> 00:24:32,880
Speaker 1: we'll cover some of the other ones next week and

490
00:24:32,920 --> 00:24:35,960
Speaker 1: talk a little bit more about some of the overcounter options.

491
00:24:35,960 --> 00:24:38,160
Speaker 1: But I figured if I go state by state now

492
00:24:38,200 --> 00:24:40,160
Speaker 1: that you kind of have this broad overview of what

493
00:24:40,960 --> 00:24:43,200
Speaker 1: the points are, then you can kind of I think

494
00:24:43,200 --> 00:24:45,480
Speaker 1: if it's just better if I kind of explain each

495
00:24:45,520 --> 00:24:47,919
Speaker 1: state and some of the options there, then you can

496
00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:50,359
Speaker 1: kind of figure out what piques your interest, which one

497
00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:52,280
Speaker 1: of these might be a good place for you to

498
00:24:52,400 --> 00:24:55,440
Speaker 1: jump in, and then kind of build your application strategy

499
00:24:55,440 --> 00:24:58,560
Speaker 1: and start thinking about planning some hunts for yourself. It's

500
00:24:58,600 --> 00:25:02,040
Speaker 1: definitely doable. It's not that difficult. I started figuring a

501
00:25:02,119 --> 00:25:03,840
Speaker 1: lot of this stuff out when I was a teenager

502
00:25:03,920 --> 00:25:06,800
Speaker 1: and there wasn't even resources for this kind of stuff.

503
00:25:06,840 --> 00:25:09,960
Speaker 1: So I think that with this resource, with what's available

504
00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:12,680
Speaker 1: now and the ease of being able to apply online

505
00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:15,200
Speaker 1: and so much other stuff, this is something that anybody

506
00:25:15,240 --> 00:25:17,440
Speaker 1: can do, and I highly suggest it if it's something

507
00:25:17,480 --> 00:25:19,119
Speaker 1: that you're considering. I know a lot of people that

508
00:25:19,200 --> 00:25:22,080
Speaker 1: listen to this podcast. Um I always say I want

509
00:25:22,080 --> 00:25:24,040
Speaker 1: to plan my first Western big game hunt when a

510
00:25:24,040 --> 00:25:25,919
Speaker 1: lot of people live out here and just want to

511
00:25:25,960 --> 00:25:28,919
Speaker 1: increase their opportunities, or maybe some guys just you know,

512
00:25:28,960 --> 00:25:30,639
Speaker 1: say hey, I want to find a place where I

513
00:25:30,680 --> 00:25:32,800
Speaker 1: can get a bigger elk than what I normally hunt.

514
00:25:33,119 --> 00:25:36,680
Speaker 1: Were someplaces that I can apply and realistically have that happen.

515
00:25:37,520 --> 00:25:39,639
Speaker 1: This is how you do it through these tag draws,

516
00:25:39,680 --> 00:25:43,880
Speaker 1: through research, and through kind of creating a strategy on

517
00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:49,360
Speaker 1: your applications. So let's start with Wyoming. Unfortunately, if you're

518
00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:53,120
Speaker 1: just getting into this elk, the elk draws already over

519
00:25:53,160 --> 00:25:56,639
Speaker 1: for Wyoming, that happens kind of early in the year. Um,

520
00:25:56,680 --> 00:25:58,479
Speaker 1: but it's not too late to get a point. So

521
00:25:58,600 --> 00:26:01,399
Speaker 1: I would suggest why don't is actually really great state

522
00:26:01,440 --> 00:26:04,400
Speaker 1: to choose for elker deer because it is a preference

523
00:26:04,440 --> 00:26:07,200
Speaker 1: point state. And I might be thinking, well, preference points

524
00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:10,000
Speaker 1: are bad all this point creep stuff, but that's not

525
00:26:10,040 --> 00:26:11,919
Speaker 1: necessarily the case. There's a lot of areas where it

526
00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:14,680
Speaker 1: might take just one point or two points to get

527
00:26:14,680 --> 00:26:18,520
Speaker 1: a tagging kind of realistically plan on those areas. What

528
00:26:18,560 --> 00:26:20,440
Speaker 1: I like to do is look for anything three points

529
00:26:20,520 --> 00:26:24,639
Speaker 1: or less and then plan on just buying points until

530
00:26:24,680 --> 00:26:27,000
Speaker 1: you have enough that you're ready to go and cash

531
00:26:27,040 --> 00:26:30,480
Speaker 1: in and pick an area that the year prior a

532
00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:33,000
Speaker 1: point lower got you a tag, because then you know

533
00:26:33,119 --> 00:26:34,879
Speaker 1: for sure you're going to get the tag, or have

534
00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:38,919
Speaker 1: a realistic expectation unless something crazy happens, like somebody shoots

535
00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:41,080
Speaker 1: a world record elk and then that area blows up,

536
00:26:41,320 --> 00:26:44,320
Speaker 1: but outside of that is a little bit easier to plan.

537
00:26:44,480 --> 00:26:47,600
Speaker 1: So it's too late to apply for elk there, but

538
00:26:47,600 --> 00:26:49,280
Speaker 1: it's not too late to get a bonus point. I

539
00:26:49,320 --> 00:26:53,600
Speaker 1: think the bonus points are available through September so um

540
00:26:53,840 --> 00:26:55,960
Speaker 1: for all species, so you can get those now. And

541
00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:58,240
Speaker 1: actually we only kind of change the way their application

542
00:26:58,280 --> 00:27:00,000
Speaker 1: works where even if you apply, you still have to

543
00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:02,520
Speaker 1: buy the bonus point later. Um. So you can apply,

544
00:27:03,080 --> 00:27:06,080
Speaker 1: but you've got to get the preference point later um

545
00:27:06,119 --> 00:27:07,959
Speaker 1: if you'd like. And then the moose, sheep goat for

546
00:27:08,080 --> 00:27:11,679
Speaker 1: wyomings do March one, and then June one is the

547
00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:14,679
Speaker 1: deadline for deer and antelope, So that's if you're looking, hey,

548
00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:16,440
Speaker 1: I want to go out for deer, I want to

549
00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:19,080
Speaker 1: go out for antelope. That June first deadline is gonna

550
00:27:19,080 --> 00:27:22,520
Speaker 1: be your time now on that it is preference point.

551
00:27:22,520 --> 00:27:25,320
Speaker 1: But there's some areas that if they have enough tags,

552
00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:28,200
Speaker 1: they'll allocate a certain percentage that will go into a

553
00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:30,800
Speaker 1: random draw, So it doesn't hurt to apply for that,

554
00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:33,199
Speaker 1: and then if you don't get it, go on and

555
00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:36,320
Speaker 1: buy your bonus point later. One side note to wyoming,

556
00:27:36,359 --> 00:27:39,600
Speaker 1: you only get one choice, well one choice uses your points,

557
00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:41,680
Speaker 1: so it's really going to be the choice that's looked at.

558
00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:45,760
Speaker 1: There are a few tags in the deer and antelope

559
00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:48,240
Speaker 1: if you start looking that you can actually pick up

560
00:27:48,359 --> 00:27:51,359
Speaker 1: on a second choice. So what that means is those

561
00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:54,640
Speaker 1: areas are not fully filled on that first choice hunt.

562
00:27:55,160 --> 00:27:57,600
Speaker 1: This is a really good way to get out hunting,

563
00:27:58,119 --> 00:28:01,359
Speaker 1: but also start building points. You don't use your points

564
00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:04,120
Speaker 1: if you don't draw your first choice. In Wyoming, UM

565
00:28:04,160 --> 00:28:06,640
Speaker 1: I like to start looking for those units where it's like, hey,

566
00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:09,520
Speaker 1: you can draw a second choice. Many of those, though,

567
00:28:09,560 --> 00:28:12,760
Speaker 1: are available because it's mostly private lands, so you want

568
00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:15,479
Speaker 1: to just definitely research the area. UM I always pull

569
00:28:15,520 --> 00:28:18,240
Speaker 1: out my onyx map or whatever, see how much private

570
00:28:18,320 --> 00:28:21,320
Speaker 1: lands in there, how much public lands in their program

571
00:28:21,320 --> 00:28:23,560
Speaker 1: that I use a lot. Go hunt works really well

572
00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:26,240
Speaker 1: for this too. Just like researching areas, you can pull

573
00:28:26,320 --> 00:28:27,920
Speaker 1: up an area. You can look at how many points

574
00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:30,359
Speaker 1: it took to draw, how many What are the odds

575
00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:33,199
Speaker 1: of drawing a second choice? Is that even possible? But

576
00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:35,600
Speaker 1: that's something to look at, UM and one good thing

577
00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:38,600
Speaker 1: if you're thinking about Wyoming. I definitely like that aspect

578
00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:40,320
Speaker 1: of it where you might be able to find a

579
00:28:40,360 --> 00:28:43,240
Speaker 1: cool hunt that you can do um and still gain

580
00:28:43,440 --> 00:28:45,680
Speaker 1: points for maybe one, one or two years down the

581
00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:48,760
Speaker 1: road all jump over to Utah. So the deadline for

582
00:28:48,800 --> 00:28:51,040
Speaker 1: that it's going to be March fourth. I've been applying

583
00:28:51,040 --> 00:28:53,960
Speaker 1: in Utah for a very long time. I've got nineteen

584
00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:58,120
Speaker 1: ELK points this year, so so that's quite a while. Um,

585
00:28:58,240 --> 00:28:59,960
Speaker 1: you'd be like, why haven't you drawn a tag? Well,

586
00:29:00,520 --> 00:29:03,000
Speaker 1: I was chasing lower point tags and then I got

587
00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:04,760
Speaker 1: into a little bit of point creep, and then I

588
00:29:04,800 --> 00:29:07,680
Speaker 1: just started drawing other tags and kept saving my points

589
00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:10,880
Speaker 1: and applying for an area that did not offer a

590
00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:14,280
Speaker 1: preference point tag. So if it only has one tag,

591
00:29:14,320 --> 00:29:17,240
Speaker 1: then it's all random draw, but it's kind of weighted

592
00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:20,200
Speaker 1: random draw where all your points act as bonus points.

593
00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:23,040
Speaker 1: So for the last quite a few years, maybe ten years,

594
00:29:23,080 --> 00:29:25,960
Speaker 1: I've been applying for an area that doesn't offer a

595
00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:30,160
Speaker 1: tag to the most point applicants. So I could go

596
00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:32,520
Speaker 1: and just choose if I wanted to say, Hey, I'm

597
00:29:32,520 --> 00:29:35,080
Speaker 1: ready to hunt Utah this year, I'm gonna go get

598
00:29:35,080 --> 00:29:36,800
Speaker 1: a tag. And there's a lot of units that I

599
00:29:36,840 --> 00:29:39,200
Speaker 1: could just be guaranteed a tag in that are gonna

600
00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:42,520
Speaker 1: be great hunts, Like for three hundred to three fifty

601
00:29:42,520 --> 00:29:45,200
Speaker 1: type bowls with a bow. That's an awesome hunt and

602
00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:47,520
Speaker 1: something that would be super stoked on. But I've also

603
00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:49,560
Speaker 1: had some really good hunts in my life, so I

604
00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:51,840
Speaker 1: really thought, man, this might be one where I've got

605
00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:54,600
Speaker 1: enough points, I might try to hold out for one

606
00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:57,720
Speaker 1: of those more higher echelon type ELK tags where I

607
00:29:57,720 --> 00:29:59,520
Speaker 1: could get a three fifty type bowl. And for me,

608
00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:02,400
Speaker 1: this is state. If you're just getting started, it's not

609
00:30:02,440 --> 00:30:05,560
Speaker 1: your state for that. Unfortunately, you're gonna have to either

610
00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:07,480
Speaker 1: get lucky and draw off it. I mean, you could

611
00:30:07,520 --> 00:30:09,800
Speaker 1: draw the same tag I apply for. I I've got

612
00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:12,480
Speaker 1: a friend that the tag that I apply for. He's

613
00:30:12,520 --> 00:30:15,040
Speaker 1: applied three years and he drew the tag, and I've

614
00:30:15,080 --> 00:30:19,040
Speaker 1: applied nineteen years and have never drawn it. So in

615
00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:22,200
Speaker 1: that case, it kind of could be anyone's game. For dear,

616
00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:24,840
Speaker 1: there's a general deer season in Utah and that's on

617
00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:27,760
Speaker 1: a true preference point system, so there's it's not weighted.

618
00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:30,200
Speaker 1: It's just the people with the most preference points get

619
00:30:30,200 --> 00:30:34,680
Speaker 1: allocated those tags. There's muzzleloader, archery and rifle general tags

620
00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:37,480
Speaker 1: and some um ways that you can hunt it like

621
00:30:37,600 --> 00:30:40,880
Speaker 1: kind of all three seasons, but those are that's a

622
00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:42,720
Speaker 1: great way to kind of just plan on a hunt.

623
00:30:42,760 --> 00:30:45,120
Speaker 1: So if you're already gonna say, hey, I want to

624
00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:47,680
Speaker 1: hunt mule deer um, Utah sounds like a good one

625
00:30:47,880 --> 00:30:50,840
Speaker 1: general tag. There's a lot more hunters on those general hunts.

626
00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:53,000
Speaker 1: But hey, you've got a tag in your pocket, and

627
00:30:53,080 --> 00:30:55,920
Speaker 1: maybe being finding those areas you could get every other year,

628
00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:58,760
Speaker 1: every year, maybe every third year, you're gonna be a

629
00:30:58,760 --> 00:31:01,560
Speaker 1: lot more successful than waiting twenty years to draw a

630
00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:04,320
Speaker 1: tag that may never come. And while you're doing that,

631
00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:06,400
Speaker 1: if you're already buying the hunting license, you know you

632
00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:09,360
Speaker 1: can get in there and apply for some of these

633
00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:12,080
Speaker 1: limited entry tags that you might get lucky and draw.

634
00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:16,000
Speaker 1: And that's what I would suggest doing a Feutah appeals

635
00:31:16,040 --> 00:31:18,560
Speaker 1: to you a lot of states. You'll notice like you

636
00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:20,920
Speaker 1: have to buy a hunting license in order to apply.

637
00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:22,880
Speaker 1: Utah is a state that you've got a little bit

638
00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:25,000
Speaker 1: of a hack in here. They're they're hunting licenses are

639
00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:27,520
Speaker 1: three sixty five days, so as long as you have

640
00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:30,120
Speaker 1: an eligible hunting license when you apply, it's good for

641
00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:33,080
Speaker 1: that year. So you can essentially buy one hunting license

642
00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:36,280
Speaker 1: every other year as long as you apply before your

643
00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:39,800
Speaker 1: license expires, and that's something that most people do um,

644
00:31:39,840 --> 00:31:41,440
Speaker 1: but there's a lot of people that don't know about it.

645
00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:44,719
Speaker 1: This year, I normally set a Google Calendar update, but

646
00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:47,560
Speaker 1: I missed my deadline for that, so I end up

647
00:31:47,560 --> 00:31:49,960
Speaker 1: having to buy another license this year, two years in

648
00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:53,120
Speaker 1: a row, but I try to get them every other years.

649
00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:55,360
Speaker 1: That's just something to think about when it comes to

650
00:31:55,440 --> 00:31:59,120
Speaker 1: elk um. There's some over the counter elk hunts general

651
00:31:59,120 --> 00:32:03,040
Speaker 1: season tags in Utah summer any bull hunts, and some

652
00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:06,680
Speaker 1: are spike bull hunts in areas that are like more

653
00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:09,560
Speaker 1: trophy based. Those spike hunts can be great hunts if

654
00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:13,080
Speaker 1: you just want a good experience out elk hunting and

655
00:32:13,120 --> 00:32:16,160
Speaker 1: maybe some success. And then the over the counter tags.

656
00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:18,280
Speaker 1: You know, there's other states that have over the counter

657
00:32:18,320 --> 00:32:21,440
Speaker 1: tags that are you know, maybe more popular or whatever,

658
00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:24,280
Speaker 1: but it's an option where if you don't have the

659
00:32:24,320 --> 00:32:26,320
Speaker 1: tag draw you can you can pick up a tag.

660
00:32:26,720 --> 00:32:30,480
Speaker 1: New this year, actually, Utah extended that their Archery Bull

661
00:32:30,560 --> 00:32:32,920
Speaker 1: elk hunt over the counter tags by five days, so

662
00:32:32,920 --> 00:32:35,800
Speaker 1: it now goes to September, which I think is gonna

663
00:32:35,840 --> 00:32:39,160
Speaker 1: be huge for hitting the rust. So now it's August one,

664
00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:42,240
Speaker 1: September twenty two, So I think that's kind of cool. Um,

665
00:32:42,320 --> 00:32:45,320
Speaker 1: that's that's gonna actually make those hunts quite a bit better,

666
00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:47,280
Speaker 1: I think, because you can maybe hit some peak rut.

667
00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:51,720
Speaker 1: I'll zoom down to Arizona. My overview of Arizona is

668
00:32:51,760 --> 00:32:54,440
Speaker 1: it's really a great state for elk and deer, and

669
00:32:54,520 --> 00:32:56,080
Speaker 1: if you think about it, I mean, it's probably one

670
00:32:56,120 --> 00:32:58,240
Speaker 1: of the top states for l one of the top

671
00:32:58,240 --> 00:33:02,400
Speaker 1: states for deer. They've got those high and elk hunts. Now,

672
00:33:02,520 --> 00:33:04,480
Speaker 1: those are really good if you have a lot of points,

673
00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:06,840
Speaker 1: but I think with the point creep and all the

674
00:33:06,840 --> 00:33:09,920
Speaker 1: other stuff, for most intents and purposes, those are gonna

675
00:33:09,920 --> 00:33:12,280
Speaker 1: be out of reach for most hunters. There is the

676
00:33:12,320 --> 00:33:15,280
Speaker 1: opportunity to maybe randomly draw one of those, but there's

677
00:33:15,320 --> 00:33:20,000
Speaker 1: a lot of other hunts, like more opportunity type hunts

678
00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:22,640
Speaker 1: in Arizona that take a lot less time to draw

679
00:33:23,320 --> 00:33:25,800
Speaker 1: and they can be great hunts. Um. There's a few

680
00:33:25,880 --> 00:33:28,080
Speaker 1: L hunts that fall into this, both the antler list

681
00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:30,760
Speaker 1: L hunts as well as some bowl elk hunts. While

682
00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:33,000
Speaker 1: they aren't over the counter, there's some elk hunts that

683
00:33:33,560 --> 00:33:35,640
Speaker 1: in the state of Arizona that are fairly easy to

684
00:33:35,760 --> 00:33:38,400
Speaker 1: draw that may only take a few points, And there's

685
00:33:38,440 --> 00:33:40,400
Speaker 1: also a lot of deer tags that might not take

686
00:33:40,440 --> 00:33:43,960
Speaker 1: any points. Cou'se deer tags, rifle tags in October. UM.

687
00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:47,160
Speaker 1: Some of these off season hunts, like outside of the rut,

688
00:33:47,680 --> 00:33:51,120
Speaker 1: they can be difficult, but that's how they add more tags,

689
00:33:51,120 --> 00:33:54,120
Speaker 1: so there's more opportunity, but they put them in times

690
00:33:54,120 --> 00:33:56,000
Speaker 1: of the year when it's the most difficult to find

691
00:33:56,080 --> 00:33:59,000
Speaker 1: dear so it kind of keeps the numbers in check,

692
00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:01,320
Speaker 1: not too many deer a shot. And then there's over

693
00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:03,960
Speaker 1: the counter archery deer tags later in the season. So

694
00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:05,800
Speaker 1: I would say this is a really good state to

695
00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:08,680
Speaker 1: apply if you're looking for, um a hunt that you

696
00:34:08,680 --> 00:34:11,960
Speaker 1: could actually get into. But at the meantime, maybe try

697
00:34:12,040 --> 00:34:15,399
Speaker 1: your hand at drawing one of these upper end tags.

698
00:34:15,400 --> 00:34:18,000
Speaker 1: Because you get two choices in this draw and they

699
00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:20,799
Speaker 1: consider both, so I like to go for broke on

700
00:34:20,840 --> 00:34:23,520
Speaker 1: that first choice. And then there's like a list of

701
00:34:23,719 --> 00:34:26,879
Speaker 1: you can kind of look up different tags where there's

702
00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:30,080
Speaker 1: a lot of like sometimes tags left over in the

703
00:34:30,160 --> 00:34:33,000
Speaker 1: second or third and fourth choices. Um, there's some of

704
00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:35,400
Speaker 1: those tags you can kind of pick up over the

705
00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:37,560
Speaker 1: counter if they're left over, but last few years they

706
00:34:37,560 --> 00:34:40,680
Speaker 1: haven't really been available. However, you can draw those easier,

707
00:34:40,680 --> 00:34:42,080
Speaker 1: so you can kind of put those in your second

708
00:34:42,160 --> 00:34:44,879
Speaker 1: choice and end up with a tag, but also maybe

709
00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:48,200
Speaker 1: try for a better tag, like a dream tag at

710
00:34:48,200 --> 00:34:50,000
Speaker 1: the same time. And that's kind of cool to be

711
00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:52,160
Speaker 1: able to do that. So I definitely think that's a

712
00:34:52,160 --> 00:34:54,440
Speaker 1: good state to look into as well. Um, there's no

713
00:34:54,520 --> 00:34:57,239
Speaker 1: state that I would mention that's not a good state

714
00:34:57,280 --> 00:34:59,840
Speaker 1: to apply in, but I just want to cover everything

715
00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:01,640
Speaker 1: kind of give you my like, these are just my

716
00:35:01,719 --> 00:35:04,680
Speaker 1: thoughts on all these states when it comes to considering

717
00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:07,440
Speaker 1: where you want to apply. Next one is gonna be

718
00:35:07,480 --> 00:35:10,680
Speaker 1: Montana that opens up March first and then the application

719
00:35:10,719 --> 00:35:17,080
Speaker 1: in April one. Montana is honestly the most confusing draw Um,

720
00:35:17,080 --> 00:35:19,240
Speaker 1: it's one I'm most familiar with, so it's not confusing

721
00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:22,399
Speaker 1: for me, but I think when most people uh look

722
00:35:22,440 --> 00:35:24,239
Speaker 1: at it, they're like, this makes no sense, and it's

723
00:35:24,280 --> 00:35:28,359
Speaker 1: because it's a terrible draw system. Um, I don't know

724
00:35:28,680 --> 00:35:32,160
Speaker 1: it needs to be changed, unfortunately, because what happens is

725
00:35:32,200 --> 00:35:35,239
Speaker 1: so Montana has preference points for the general license and

726
00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:40,040
Speaker 1: then bonus points for limited entry units. However, The way

727
00:35:40,120 --> 00:35:42,040
Speaker 1: that your draw works is you need to draw the

728
00:35:42,080 --> 00:35:48,400
Speaker 1: general license before you are put into the application process

729
00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:50,719
Speaker 1: for the limited entry units. So if you're just like, man,

730
00:35:50,760 --> 00:35:53,200
Speaker 1: I want to apply for those giant ELK units and

731
00:35:53,239 --> 00:35:56,760
Speaker 1: the breaks in Montana, that's cool. But what's gonna happen

732
00:35:56,880 --> 00:35:59,359
Speaker 1: is you have to first draw general tag and then

733
00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:01,560
Speaker 1: you're put in that limited entry chance in the breaks.

734
00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:03,279
Speaker 1: Now maybe you're like, oh, I don't want to hunt

735
00:36:03,320 --> 00:36:05,280
Speaker 1: a general unit in Montana, so you have the option

736
00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:07,759
Speaker 1: to refund your ELK tag. If you don't draw that

737
00:36:07,840 --> 00:36:11,000
Speaker 1: limited entry tag, well, you're only gonna get eight percent

738
00:36:11,080 --> 00:36:13,400
Speaker 1: of that, so it's gonna cost you like three something bucks.

739
00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:16,040
Speaker 1: And um, I think if you do the combat tag,

740
00:36:16,080 --> 00:36:18,480
Speaker 1: that's cost you to something. I can't remember the exact price.

741
00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:22,440
Speaker 1: Probably should have done the math. But see, it didn't

742
00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:25,200
Speaker 1: really matter before, where everybody kind of just drew the

743
00:36:25,239 --> 00:36:28,600
Speaker 1: general tagscent draw and then everyone was put in for

744
00:36:28,640 --> 00:36:31,080
Speaker 1: the other draw and then you got your refund back

745
00:36:31,120 --> 00:36:33,880
Speaker 1: and it wasn't a big deal. Now the general tags

746
00:36:33,880 --> 00:36:36,239
Speaker 1: are becoming more popular, so now there's a lot more

747
00:36:36,280 --> 00:36:38,680
Speaker 1: competition for those tags, and your preference points to draw

748
00:36:38,719 --> 00:36:41,920
Speaker 1: that general tag before you get put into that bonus

749
00:36:41,960 --> 00:36:46,240
Speaker 1: point draw for the limited entry in So, if you know, Monte,

750
00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:48,600
Speaker 1: I'm gonna just say it like this, this sounds very confusing,

751
00:36:49,080 --> 00:36:53,120
Speaker 1: and it is. So the best thing for Montana is

752
00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:55,560
Speaker 1: apply for Montana if you just want to hunt the

753
00:36:55,600 --> 00:36:57,600
Speaker 1: general units and then you want to apply for a

754
00:36:57,640 --> 00:37:00,560
Speaker 1: limited entry unit while you're there. That's the best way

755
00:37:00,600 --> 00:37:03,200
Speaker 1: to think of it, because you know, doing it the

756
00:37:03,200 --> 00:37:05,480
Speaker 1: other way around kind of doesn't necessarily make sense that

757
00:37:05,480 --> 00:37:06,960
Speaker 1: it's going to take you a very long time to

758
00:37:07,040 --> 00:37:09,080
Speaker 1: draw one of those limited entry tags because you gotta

759
00:37:09,080 --> 00:37:11,919
Speaker 1: get lucky twice and you're gonna burn your preference point

760
00:37:11,960 --> 00:37:16,439
Speaker 1: for that general tag by attempting to draw a permit tag.

761
00:37:16,520 --> 00:37:18,920
Speaker 1: So I'm hoping that in the next few years Montana

762
00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:20,640
Speaker 1: wise is up and they just change this and make

763
00:37:20,680 --> 00:37:22,719
Speaker 1: it more like every other state where it's like, hey,

764
00:37:22,719 --> 00:37:25,400
Speaker 1: if you're putting in for a limited entry tag and

765
00:37:25,480 --> 00:37:27,719
Speaker 1: you draw it, you get a tag. That's makes sense.

766
00:37:27,760 --> 00:37:30,240
Speaker 1: There's like, you know, I mean, thousands of people putting

767
00:37:30,239 --> 00:37:33,920
Speaker 1: in for some units that have one tag available, and

768
00:37:33,960 --> 00:37:37,280
Speaker 1: then it's just this really complicated system where the refunding

769
00:37:37,320 --> 00:37:39,440
Speaker 1: tags and giving them back to other people and it's

770
00:37:39,480 --> 00:37:43,839
Speaker 1: just it's like a really horrible system um as more

771
00:37:43,880 --> 00:37:48,080
Speaker 1: people apply, so that's how that works. But Montana is

772
00:37:48,120 --> 00:37:50,000
Speaker 1: a great state and has probably one of the better

773
00:37:50,040 --> 00:37:52,359
Speaker 1: general elk hunts. You know, i'd put it up there

774
00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:55,640
Speaker 1: in the top states of general elk hunts or general

775
00:37:55,680 --> 00:37:58,160
Speaker 1: elk units. You know, it's got quite a few units

776
00:37:58,239 --> 00:38:01,000
Speaker 1: under that general elk tag. It's fair popular hunt. I

777
00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:04,120
Speaker 1: would say between Montana, Idaho, Colorado, and Wyoming, those are

778
00:38:04,160 --> 00:38:06,799
Speaker 1: gonna be your top elk states. New Mexico is a

779
00:38:06,840 --> 00:38:09,600
Speaker 1: great state hunt, but most of those tags are on

780
00:38:09,680 --> 00:38:12,399
Speaker 1: to draw. So you know, you look at those other

781
00:38:12,440 --> 00:38:14,920
Speaker 1: four states and there's areas where you can get into

782
00:38:15,080 --> 00:38:18,000
Speaker 1: every other year, every year and have a good hunt.

783
00:38:18,040 --> 00:38:20,359
Speaker 1: And so that's something like a lot of people are

784
00:38:20,440 --> 00:38:23,280
Speaker 1: very interested in, and I think there's something worth noting.

785
00:38:23,320 --> 00:38:26,120
Speaker 1: I mean, Montana's place that I grew up hunting, so

786
00:38:26,560 --> 00:38:28,880
Speaker 1: I like hunting there. But there's also great hunts other

787
00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:32,320
Speaker 1: places as well. The nice thing about you know, Montana,

788
00:38:32,360 --> 00:38:36,120
Speaker 1: if you're doing that in the limited entry units only

789
00:38:36,160 --> 00:38:39,959
Speaker 1: your first choice is counted for your bonus points. So

790
00:38:40,160 --> 00:38:42,399
Speaker 1: you know, if you don't draw your first choice, then

791
00:38:42,520 --> 00:38:44,719
Speaker 1: you don't lose those bonus points, you continue to gain

792
00:38:44,760 --> 00:38:47,040
Speaker 1: those bonus points over the years even if you drew

793
00:38:47,080 --> 00:38:49,919
Speaker 1: that general preference. So there's two point systems in there

794
00:38:50,360 --> 00:38:53,360
Speaker 1: for one tag um, which makes it a little complicated,

795
00:38:53,440 --> 00:38:56,399
Speaker 1: but it is easy enough to manage, and then it's

796
00:38:56,480 --> 00:38:58,319
Speaker 1: just a It's also a really good state if you

797
00:38:58,320 --> 00:39:00,320
Speaker 1: want to try your look for moose, sheep goat because

798
00:39:00,360 --> 00:39:02,239
Speaker 1: the entry fees minimal. You don't have to buy a

799
00:39:02,239 --> 00:39:04,920
Speaker 1: license ahead of time, so it's probably the cheapest state

800
00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:07,239
Speaker 1: to apply for moose, sheep or goat UM. So I

801
00:39:07,239 --> 00:39:08,680
Speaker 1: think it's a pretty good state for that, and that's

802
00:39:08,680 --> 00:39:11,439
Speaker 1: the way I look at Montana. And the last state

803
00:39:11,480 --> 00:39:13,719
Speaker 1: we're gonna cover today would be Nevada. Nevada is a

804
00:39:13,719 --> 00:39:16,400
Speaker 1: bonus point state, so everyone has a chance, but the

805
00:39:16,440 --> 00:39:19,360
Speaker 1: longer you apply here, the better your chances. So everything

806
00:39:19,520 --> 00:39:22,920
Speaker 1: is squared, your point numbers squared, so the longer you apply,

807
00:39:23,120 --> 00:39:26,200
Speaker 1: the better chance is going to be UM. You have

808
00:39:26,280 --> 00:39:28,399
Speaker 1: to buy a hunting license in order to gain a point,

809
00:39:28,480 --> 00:39:31,200
Speaker 1: so you could apply it in Nevada fairly cheap, but

810
00:39:31,239 --> 00:39:33,439
Speaker 1: you won't gain a point. And I wouldn't suggest that

811
00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:37,319
Speaker 1: because the money for the application fees the money that

812
00:39:37,360 --> 00:39:40,520
Speaker 1: you're spending on the license is kind of gonna increase

813
00:39:40,600 --> 00:39:43,719
Speaker 1: your odds down the road of obtaining a tag. You

814
00:39:43,719 --> 00:39:45,920
Speaker 1: could go in every year with just one chance, and

815
00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:48,560
Speaker 1: people do that, and people have drawn it. But I'd

816
00:39:48,560 --> 00:39:51,600
Speaker 1: say your your statistical probability of drawing that is so

817
00:39:52,280 --> 00:39:54,359
Speaker 1: minimal that it just becomes kind of a raffle at

818
00:39:54,360 --> 00:39:56,600
Speaker 1: that point, and you might as well just buy like

819
00:39:56,719 --> 00:40:00,000
Speaker 1: a Um, every state's kind of got like tag raffles

820
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:02,560
Speaker 1: as well. Um, you're probably better off just putting your

821
00:40:02,560 --> 00:40:05,640
Speaker 1: money in that than opposed to applying every year without

822
00:40:05,680 --> 00:40:08,359
Speaker 1: the bonus points, because over the course of time, you're

823
00:40:08,400 --> 00:40:11,960
Speaker 1: just gonna have a better and better chance of securing

824
00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:14,640
Speaker 1: a tag. The nice thing about Nevada is if you

825
00:40:14,680 --> 00:40:17,120
Speaker 1: do draw a tag, pretty much every tag is top

826
00:40:17,239 --> 00:40:19,479
Speaker 1: end hunting, so you're gonna have a really good honey

827
00:40:19,520 --> 00:40:21,879
Speaker 1: experience because the tags are so limited. I would say

828
00:40:21,880 --> 00:40:25,360
Speaker 1: it's probably one of the only Western states where you

829
00:40:25,400 --> 00:40:28,480
Speaker 1: know you have a chance of drawing it your first year,

830
00:40:28,560 --> 00:40:30,759
Speaker 1: as opposed to the states that have a lot of

831
00:40:30,800 --> 00:40:34,160
Speaker 1: preference points systems in place. This bonus point system, at

832
00:40:34,239 --> 00:40:37,479
Speaker 1: least every time you apply you do have some sort

833
00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:40,040
Speaker 1: of chance or a better chance than places that are preference.

834
00:40:40,120 --> 00:40:42,799
Speaker 1: Even though they do have some random tags, there's more

835
00:40:42,880 --> 00:40:45,520
Speaker 1: tags given out. You have the option of obtaining more

836
00:40:45,560 --> 00:40:48,200
Speaker 1: tags this way, So I think it's a great state

837
00:40:48,280 --> 00:40:50,480
Speaker 1: for people to apply in. One of the kind of

838
00:40:50,480 --> 00:40:53,160
Speaker 1: tricks to this getting a tag in Nevada would be

839
00:40:53,480 --> 00:40:56,760
Speaker 1: use weapon types to have better draws. You know, archery

840
00:40:56,800 --> 00:40:59,880
Speaker 1: seasons seem to have better draws, or maybe some muzzleloader seasons,

841
00:41:00,360 --> 00:41:03,759
Speaker 1: or some offseason rifle hunts, some like October rifles as

842
00:41:03,800 --> 00:41:07,200
Speaker 1: opposed to rent rifles into BATA. You get five choices,

843
00:41:07,239 --> 00:41:09,920
Speaker 1: and all five choices are looked at before the next applicant.

844
00:41:10,280 --> 00:41:11,920
Speaker 1: So what this great thing to do is mix and

845
00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:14,279
Speaker 1: match your choices. Put your first couple of choices is

846
00:41:14,400 --> 00:41:18,360
Speaker 1: just like awesome, incredible, really hard to draw tags, and

847
00:41:18,440 --> 00:41:21,640
Speaker 1: then your last three choices as ones that are maybe

848
00:41:21,680 --> 00:41:24,880
Speaker 1: easier to draw by switching up your weapon choice or something.

849
00:41:25,080 --> 00:41:27,359
Speaker 1: So it's like, hey, you've got a chance of something

850
00:41:27,480 --> 00:41:29,920
Speaker 1: really really good, but also you've got a mixture of

851
00:41:30,040 --> 00:41:32,920
Speaker 1: things that might help you get a tag sooner. And

852
00:41:33,040 --> 00:41:35,200
Speaker 1: I think that that is a really good strategy in

853
00:41:35,280 --> 00:41:38,640
Speaker 1: that state, because every stage draw system is a little different.

854
00:41:38,719 --> 00:41:41,359
Speaker 1: We really just have to talk about every single state

855
00:41:41,400 --> 00:41:43,399
Speaker 1: out west and apply for and just give you an

856
00:41:43,440 --> 00:41:46,000
Speaker 1: idea of how it works, and then kind of look

857
00:41:46,040 --> 00:41:48,719
Speaker 1: into those states and start planning your hunts that way.

858
00:41:49,080 --> 00:41:51,759
Speaker 1: I've said it before a thousand times, but your hunt's

859
00:41:51,800 --> 00:41:54,400
Speaker 1: gonna start now in planning. So what you gotta have

860
00:41:54,480 --> 00:41:56,120
Speaker 1: to do is you're gonna have to find a unit

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Speaker 1: can look up a lot of these different states, their systems,

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Speaker 1: most people coming from out of state or just looking

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Speaker 1: lot less future planning, and we're definitely gonna start covering those.

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Speaker 1: So we're gonna do a deeper dive into over the

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Speaker 1: to cover the draws in Idaho, Oregon, Washington, New Mexico, Colorado,

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Speaker 1: and California. Before we cast off, I just want to

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Speaker 1: thank everybody else. Actually cruising through some of the Apple

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Speaker 1: podcasts customer reviews, I guess and uh, it's awesome to

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Speaker 1: see so many great comments, uh and so many great ratings.

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Speaker 1: Definitely really appreciate that. I'll just actually take a few

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Speaker 1: a few of these because I just I'm just gonna

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Speaker 1: not just for the experienced hunter, I really appreciate all

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Speaker 1: gilb Tom says very informational. One of the best podcasts

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Speaker 1: listened to every episode. Another five stars, this one's from

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Speaker 1: Timmy to fifty three says the Godfather Remy is super

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Speaker 1: when he's hunting them. I've learned and enjoyed listening a lot.

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Speaker 1: My sister in law and I got a double spike

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Speaker 1: elk this year. Thanks to some of his tips and tactics.

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Speaker 1: my buddy and I want to know how to hunt

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Speaker 1: animals successfully, listen, learn practice, and get her done. Remy

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Speaker 1: is the man. Hey, I didn't say it, Timmy, did

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Speaker 1: I think so? Man? That's I appreciate that comment. Um,

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Speaker 1: there's just so many great comments out here. I really

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Speaker 1: appreciate you guys listening. Here's another one from Nick Planner.

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Speaker 1: One says, awesome, great podcast for any big game Western hunter.

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Speaker 1: So much info you got to listen to them multiple

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Speaker 1: times to retain all the info. I just thank you

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Speaker 1: guys so much. I love cruising through these messages reading them.

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Speaker 1: It gives me stoked. It gives me fired up to

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Speaker 1: keep the podcasts cruising and trucking and and keep pumping

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Speaker 1: out info. So if you guys get a chance, if

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Speaker 1: you think about it, if something you want to do.

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Speaker 1: I never try to hard sell anyone on anything, but

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Speaker 1: go over there, leave a comment, give me some ratings

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Speaker 1: five stars if you'd like. I prefer that, But sweet,

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Speaker 1: whatever you guys think, and um, yeah, I just thank

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Speaker 1: you guys for tuning in and all the support, So

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Speaker 1: until next week, don't get creeped out. By the point creep.

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Speaker 1: There's still a lot of tags available and I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: teach you how to get them and get on more

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Speaker 1: hunts this fall. So until next week, have a good one, guys,