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Speaker 1: On this Arroyo Grande, we get into exorcism, the nature

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Speaker 1: of evil, how to protect yourself and your family with

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Speaker 1: Father Danreehill is the chief exorcist for the Diocese of Nashville, Tennessee.

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Speaker 1: you that make you see the world differently and the

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Speaker 1: battle being waged around us. This is one of those conversations.

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Speaker 1: My guest is Father Danriehill. He's the exorcist for the

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Speaker 1: Diocese of Nashville, Tennessee. Now, I know what you're thinking,

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Speaker 1: spinning heads and Hollywood and William Friedkin and Bill Bladdie.

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Speaker 2: Well, that's a piece of it.

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Speaker 1: But what Father Rehill deals with is quieter, more hidden,

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Speaker 1: and frankly, far more alarming than anything you've seen on

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Speaker 1: the screen. The need for Father e Hill's services is growing.

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Speaker 1: But how does a demon take control of a soul.

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Speaker 1: How can you protect yourself and your family from the

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Speaker 1: devil's influence? What's the nature of the exorcism right? And

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Speaker 1: what about psychics and the K pop demon hunters. We'll

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Speaker 1: get into all of it, as you'll see. Father Eehill

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Speaker 1: is one of the most grounded, clear eyed, joyful priests

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Speaker 1: I've ever sat across from, because he knows that the

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Speaker 1: power driving every exorcism isn't his. It belongs entirely to

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Speaker 1: Jesus Christ. And as he tells me, he's seen a

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Speaker 1: lot a woman levitating off of couch, another displaying superhuman strength.

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Speaker 1: This is a conversation to ponder, particularly during the Lenten season.

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Speaker 1: Here's Father Dan Reehill. Father, I want to start with,

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Speaker 1: why do you think the need for exorcism is on

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Speaker 1: the rise?

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Speaker 2: What's happening here? You see it.

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Speaker 1: There's a lot of reportage that your services are needed

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Speaker 1: now more than ever.

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Speaker 2: Why. Well, I think it's a few factors. One is

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Speaker 2: that this generation, there is a rising up of young

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Speaker 2: people going back to church suddenly in the last I

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Speaker 2: mean since Charlie Kirk for sure, but before that. But

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Speaker 2: there's also this the mask is off with the evil

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Speaker 2: and there's a lot of people leaving God and the church,

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Speaker 2: all church behind, and the new age is booming. You know,

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Speaker 2: the witchcraft is booming. It's mainstream. You can buy witchcraft

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Speaker 2: products in stores on Broadway. That was never the case.

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Speaker 2: The other big thing was COVID. During COVID, every excess

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Speaker 2: will tell you the case is skyrocketed, and you'd be like, well,

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Speaker 2: that's so unusual. Why they were aligned. We took away

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Speaker 2: the sacraments. Oh, we took away the sacraments, and then

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Speaker 2: we gave people money and told them to go do

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Speaker 2: whatever they want. Health medicaids and everything went off the

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Speaker 2: rails and it really hasn't come back to the point

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Speaker 2: before COVID. Things are harder, the cases take longer, So

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Speaker 2: a case which would have taken two, three, four times

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Speaker 2: is now taking maybe six, ten, twelve months, and they're

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Speaker 2: piling up with new cases coming in, so it is

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Speaker 2: getting worse. Wow, how many people do you have.

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Speaker 1: You're an exorcist here in the Diocese of Nashville. Give

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Speaker 1: an assistant and it's just the two of you.

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Speaker 2: Who do to live. Really assistant, he's an eagle partner, Okay,

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Speaker 2: he's an exist.

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Speaker 1: And you all conduct all the exorcisms here in the diocese.

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Speaker 1: But there's a backlog. Tell me about the process. A

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Speaker 1: lot of people don't realize you scrutinize these clients, if

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Speaker 1: you will, before you engage the right.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. So that's an interesting question because when I first

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Speaker 2: came back from Rome, and you know, brand new I

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Speaker 2: would somebody would call it. I would if I could,

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Speaker 2: I would meet them that day. I felt bad for them.

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Speaker 2: I think it's normal, right, And then the guy who's

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Speaker 2: mentoring me from an Indianapolis, he's like, no, no, no, no, no,

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Speaker 2: you do not do that. You set the terms, do

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Speaker 2: not let the devil tell you how it's going to go.

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Speaker 2: And also there's going to be a lot of people

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Speaker 2: who are really just there to like spin your wheels

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Speaker 2: and exhaust you. They're not really authentic cases. You have

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Speaker 2: to discern, go slow, have a process. So I went

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Speaker 2: to Chicago. Chicago had four exorcist one of them is

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Speaker 2: a bishop, and I wanted to know how they were

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Speaker 2: doing it. And they were used. They were very organized.

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Speaker 2: They were using Salesforce as intake for data collection and

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Speaker 2: scheduling appointments. A case comes in, the first step was

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Speaker 2: to evaluate so they would send them a spiritual intake form,

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Speaker 2: which is about eight pages long, very exhaustive questionnaire spirituality, religion,

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Speaker 2: sexual history, drug use, occult which all of it. And

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Speaker 2: then when that comes back, we would look at it,

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Speaker 2: evaluate it and we would then give them a prayer scription.

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Speaker 2: Here's what If you're Catholic, must go to confession and

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Speaker 2: you have to get on the a routine of praying

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Speaker 2: the Rosary and then Psalm ninety one. I want you

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Speaker 2: prayed every day at certain things boom. If they're not Catholic,

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Speaker 2: we have to eliminate the Catholic parts, but the rest

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Speaker 2: and if after two weeks of that there's no change,

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Speaker 2: then I will then it's the first meeting that I'll

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Speaker 2: meet with them. No psychologists involved, not yet, not yet. Okay,

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Speaker 2: psychologys are expensive. The PsychEval is about two thousand dollars. Wow,

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Speaker 2: So that only happens when I'm convinced there's a possession.

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Speaker 2: Then I'll send them to the psyche val. But otherwise,

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Speaker 2: I mean we would be blowing through money. Look, and

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Speaker 2: you know the rule of the church is the canon

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Speaker 2: law says I have to have moral certitude that this

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Speaker 2: is a case in possession. I had a case. Actually

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Speaker 2: the guy was in a halfway house up by Kentucky,

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Speaker 2: and I didn't even know what I was going to.

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Speaker 2: They just said, he seems odd. Can you come and

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Speaker 2: pray with him? All right, I'll make an appointment. I'll come.

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Speaker 2: I'm praying with him and he levitates off the couch. Okay,

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Speaker 2: I now have moral certitude. This is not mental illness. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: so didn't need to do the psychologist for that one.

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Speaker 2: But that doesn't happen often. So you jump right in

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Speaker 2: with a right no, no, no, no no, and we

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Speaker 2: schedule it. Ah. I need a team. I need a

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Speaker 2: backup team of intercessors who are praying offsite. I need

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Speaker 2: my people with me. And it's going to be in

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Speaker 2: a church, always in a church. This is people mistake.

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Speaker 2: My friend Bill Bladdie just you know, kind of distracted.

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Speaker 2: A lot of people think, oh, you do house calls.

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Speaker 2: That's really not how it's often done. If there's a

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Speaker 2: problem with the house, you have to go to the house. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: but if it's the person, it's always in a chapel

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Speaker 2: or a church. Because again, I want home team advantage.

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Speaker 2: Nobody goes at midnight during a thunderstorm to a haunted

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Speaker 2: house to do an ectasis that is all made up,

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Speaker 2: never that would never happen.

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Speaker 1: It's daylight in the church in front of the sanctuary, after.

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Speaker 2: A Mass has said for the purpose of that person's liberation.

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Speaker 2: There's preparatory prayers, there's intercessors beyond the scenes. Sometimes I

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Speaker 2: ask the Dominicans if they could jump on an hour

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Speaker 2: prayer for that. So it's very orchestrated. It's not random

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Speaker 2: or off the cuff. This is a charitable work of

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Speaker 2: the church. It is it is, and it's a work

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Speaker 2: that we do with no compensation required. You don't have

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Speaker 2: to there's nobody that takes money for this.

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Speaker 1: Wait, these clients don't pay you anything for this.

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Speaker 2: Nothing. They want to. Many of them say, please, let

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Speaker 2: me give you something. I say no, because it actually

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Speaker 2: diminishes the ministry. To be financially compensated, will hurt the ministry.

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Speaker 2: So we do. We do not take anything. But I'm

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Speaker 2: talking like the big bucks, like the two thousand dollars

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Speaker 2: for the psychomedeal. The church pays that, not the victims. Really,

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Speaker 2: it's completely free and we do it for everybody. You

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Speaker 2: could be a Baptist, you could be a Jew, you

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Speaker 2: could be an atheist.

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Speaker 1: I've had atheists and here you are mostly Baptists coming

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Speaker 1: to you here in this particular diocese.

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Speaker 2: Yes, because if that's the majority of the population.

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Speaker 1: What are those cases like? What are they what are

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Speaker 1: they suffering from? Is there a theme that runs through now?

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Speaker 2: It's the demons are demons? But the problem is I

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Speaker 2: can't use the sacraments with these people. Twice is hard.

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Speaker 2: So what do you do? Just say, liberates of renouncing

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Speaker 2: the demons, renouncing the sins and then asking God for

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Speaker 2: his pardon and his mercy. But I can't absolve them

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Speaker 2: now in danger of death, I can make anybody a Catholic.

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Speaker 2: And in some cases I had a guy who was

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Speaker 2: in died three times, possessed individuals three times. He went

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Speaker 2: to flatline overdosed. They were injecting him with the drug.

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Speaker 2: He did not want the drugs. He didn't have money.

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Speaker 2: He said, I don't want to take any drugs, and

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Speaker 2: they said, head, I can't pay for them. I have

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Speaker 2: no money. They said, we will bring people to you.

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Speaker 2: We have people that have those and they'd show up

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Speaker 2: and they inject him and he'd die, and all three

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Speaker 2: times he came back to life through ems. People but

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Speaker 2: the last one, the guy said, we gave him triple

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Speaker 2: what normal people would get, and he still didn't come back.

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Speaker 2: It was the fourth Narcan that brought him back, and

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Speaker 2: I finally realized, I go, John, is really he is

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Speaker 2: in danger of death? I mean three times, yeah, that

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Speaker 2: should have been three times? Are out right? So I

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Speaker 2: realized that there can be cases in exism where I

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Speaker 2: because they really could be. This could be it for

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Speaker 2: them if they're in a situation again where they're overdosing.

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Speaker 2: So you have a little bit of flexibility in cases

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Speaker 2: like that where you can extend the sacraments even when

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Speaker 2: Demons are broken off, people attached to people in the

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Speaker 2: confessional with absolution not possessed. That's a different level, but

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Speaker 1: M what's the difference between oppression and possession? People misunderstand this, Okay,

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Speaker 1: there's like three things.

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Speaker 2: So this obsession, which is attack of the mind, screaming

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Speaker 1: And what else I know you are not a fan

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Speaker 2: How dangerous are these? Terrible? You know how it started

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Speaker 1: Wow, you get calls like this all the time. What's

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Speaker 2: But it's not just the Catholics Protestants are calling. It's

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Speaker 1: Well, this is the question you always say, would why

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Speaker 2: Because he made it very clear you're with me or

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Speaker 2: it's actually the New Right doesn't ask the two questions

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Speaker 1: And the Latin is powerful the language.

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Speaker 2: I don't use the Latin because I want the people,

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Speaker 1: And yeah, because I've heard some say, well only I

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Speaker 1: Yeah, give me a sense of the power of the

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Speaker 2: happening by the power of Jesus Christ. If you're not

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00:22:47,040 --> 00:22:49,679
Speaker 2: comfortable with that, you don't have to do it. Yeah,

429
00:22:49,680 --> 00:22:51,600
Speaker 2: but then you're going to have to live with this problem.

430
00:22:51,680 --> 00:22:54,120
Speaker 2: So they generally all go along with it. I've never

431
00:22:54,119 --> 00:22:55,479
Speaker 2: had to be said, I don't want to do it.

432
00:22:57,000 --> 00:22:59,280
Speaker 2: Our lady is the one who's going to crush his head,

433
00:23:00,880 --> 00:23:03,520
Speaker 2: and so there's a particular fear and hatred of her

434
00:23:03,800 --> 00:23:06,320
Speaker 2: that goes beyond I would say, even God. They know

435
00:23:06,359 --> 00:23:11,320
Speaker 2: God's all powerful, They're these are very very intelligent creatures.

436
00:23:12,160 --> 00:23:18,119
Speaker 2: So the fact that this little diminutive woman from Israel

437
00:23:18,280 --> 00:23:19,880
Speaker 2: is going to be given the power to crush them,

438
00:23:19,960 --> 00:23:21,800
Speaker 2: it would be the most humiliating thing that they can

439
00:23:21,840 --> 00:23:25,240
Speaker 2: possibly imagine, right, because this is not God, and yet

440
00:23:25,280 --> 00:23:26,760
Speaker 2: she's going to be given the power to do this

441
00:23:26,960 --> 00:23:31,320
Speaker 2: human being. Yeah. So my very first right of exorcism

442
00:23:31,800 --> 00:23:36,520
Speaker 2: was a Spanish woman in this diocese, and I knew

443
00:23:36,520 --> 00:23:38,520
Speaker 2: the pastor well, he was a very holy priest, and

444
00:23:38,560 --> 00:23:41,000
Speaker 2: he said that this is something really bad here. You

445
00:23:41,040 --> 00:23:44,359
Speaker 2: got to come. So this is it's the beginning. So

446
00:23:44,359 --> 00:23:47,120
Speaker 2: I would jump through hoop immediately. Okay, I'm coming tomorrow.

447
00:23:48,440 --> 00:23:51,920
Speaker 2: So I actually had to get her the psychoale because

448
00:23:51,960 --> 00:23:53,679
Speaker 2: this is going to be a real lexism. So she

449
00:23:53,720 --> 00:23:55,280
Speaker 2: did it. So it actually took a couple of weeks,

450
00:23:55,320 --> 00:23:58,840
Speaker 2: but we show up. He had just ordered a gigantic

451
00:23:58,920 --> 00:24:02,720
Speaker 2: like eight foot painting of Guadaloupe that was sitting in

452
00:24:02,720 --> 00:24:04,400
Speaker 2: a storageroom and hadn't been hung in the church yet

453
00:24:05,200 --> 00:24:07,000
Speaker 2: because there were people in the church. He said, you know,

454
00:24:07,040 --> 00:24:09,439
Speaker 2: maybe we do this in that back room because we

455
00:24:09,840 --> 00:24:11,679
Speaker 2: I don't want people seeing this. I said, no, you're right,

456
00:24:11,720 --> 00:24:15,320
Speaker 2: we shouldn't do it publicly. We go back there, I do.

457
00:24:15,640 --> 00:24:18,760
Speaker 2: We do the whole preparation. It takes forty five minutes.

458
00:24:18,800 --> 00:24:21,120
Speaker 2: It's not a very long thing. You can go back

459
00:24:21,160 --> 00:24:26,040
Speaker 2: and repeat sections if they seem to have a particular success,

460
00:24:26,920 --> 00:24:29,840
Speaker 2: if they're responding yeah, if I see this is really working,

461
00:24:30,080 --> 00:24:31,240
Speaker 2: I can go back and do it again. But you

462
00:24:31,280 --> 00:24:32,439
Speaker 2: have to go through the right in the order of

463
00:24:32,440 --> 00:24:34,919
Speaker 2: the right. Well, I get through the whole thing, and

464
00:24:34,920 --> 00:24:38,160
Speaker 2: it's we're winding down to like the prayers of gratitude

465
00:24:38,560 --> 00:24:41,480
Speaker 2: at the end, and I'm like. I looked at him

466
00:24:41,720 --> 00:24:45,000
Speaker 2: and I said, she's clearly not delivered. Do you want

467
00:24:45,040 --> 00:24:48,960
Speaker 2: me to keep going or should we reschedule a second one?

468
00:24:48,040 --> 00:24:51,920
Speaker 2: And in my naivete, thinking like, if we just keep going,

469
00:24:51,920 --> 00:24:54,080
Speaker 2: it'll leave, it'll get better. So he goes, oh, no,

470
00:24:54,160 --> 00:24:56,240
Speaker 2: I can't do this again. You have to finish it today.

471
00:24:56,280 --> 00:24:58,159
Speaker 2: I'm not doing this is too much. I can't watch this.

472
00:24:58,480 --> 00:25:00,439
Speaker 2: It's very painful to watch the way they are torture

473
00:25:00,560 --> 00:25:03,919
Speaker 2: during the exorism. Their bodies are contorted, they're foaming at

474
00:25:03,960 --> 00:25:06,600
Speaker 2: the mouth, they're twisting, they're turning, they're writhing on the floor,

475
00:25:06,600 --> 00:25:10,080
Speaker 2: they're sweating. And he just said, this is it, this

476
00:25:10,119 --> 00:25:14,280
Speaker 2: is it? Just the ones. Wow. So I just said, Lord,

477
00:25:14,280 --> 00:25:15,560
Speaker 2: I don't know what else to do here, What do

478
00:25:15,560 --> 00:25:16,920
Speaker 2: you want me to do? And I looked at the

479
00:25:16,960 --> 00:25:21,040
Speaker 2: painting and I looked at her and I said, cry

480
00:25:21,040 --> 00:25:23,680
Speaker 2: out to your mother for help. And she looked at

481
00:25:23,680 --> 00:25:26,200
Speaker 2: the painting and she said in Spanish, she went, please Mama,

482
00:25:26,240 --> 00:25:29,480
Speaker 2: help me. And then she went into convulsions and then

483
00:25:29,520 --> 00:25:35,000
Speaker 2: she stop, nothing, no movement, And at first I'm like,

484
00:25:35,160 --> 00:25:37,560
Speaker 2: is she alive because I don't know. I don't see

485
00:25:37,560 --> 00:25:39,960
Speaker 2: her breathing. But then I see the chest, mom like, okay,

486
00:25:40,640 --> 00:25:42,600
Speaker 2: and then she opened her eyes and she sat up

487
00:25:42,640 --> 00:25:45,560
Speaker 2: and she's completely delivered. That was it. That was it.

488
00:25:46,200 --> 00:25:47,720
Speaker 2: And I looked at the past and I said, gee,

489
00:25:47,720 --> 00:25:49,119
Speaker 2: had we known, we could have started with that.

490
00:25:49,359 --> 00:25:51,520
Speaker 1: So I just opened with the painting's a good.

491
00:25:51,359 --> 00:25:51,840
Speaker 2: Way to go.

492
00:25:52,080 --> 00:25:57,479
Speaker 1: Well, there's a father, Francesco Beaumonte, who's an exorcist, who

493
00:25:57,480 --> 00:26:01,840
Speaker 1: wrote a whole book about and what they hear and

494
00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:06,600
Speaker 1: see related to our lady and her intercession.

495
00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:07,680
Speaker 2: During these exorcisms, and.

496
00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:10,399
Speaker 1: I guess there is a there is a connection because

497
00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:13,639
Speaker 1: of the you know, the seed of the woman you

498
00:26:13,680 --> 00:26:16,959
Speaker 1: know will defy you. And that remains true whether we

499
00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:18,439
Speaker 1: acknowledge it or not, or people do.

500
00:26:18,760 --> 00:26:22,840
Speaker 2: She is truly our mother and the perfect mother. This

501
00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:26,400
Speaker 2: is a mother that is im perfection. So imagine any

502
00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:29,919
Speaker 2: mother seeing their child being beaten up like that. Mama

503
00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:32,040
Speaker 2: bear mode goes in and I would say for her,

504
00:26:32,080 --> 00:26:34,640
Speaker 2: it's probably you know, times a thousand because of who

505
00:26:34,640 --> 00:26:37,480
Speaker 2: she is, and she's just like, I don't care who

506
00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:39,359
Speaker 2: you are, you're not going to have this way with

507
00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:39,920
Speaker 2: my child.

508
00:26:40,240 --> 00:26:44,040
Speaker 1: What do you make of the church recently saying Bosta

509
00:26:44,240 --> 00:26:48,240
Speaker 1: on the coodemtrics and mediatrics titles for Mary, we don't

510
00:26:48,280 --> 00:26:50,679
Speaker 1: need those. They're confusing, They're confusing.

511
00:26:51,800 --> 00:26:55,560
Speaker 2: My biggest question is why did we need this? What's

512
00:26:55,600 --> 00:26:59,040
Speaker 2: the purpose here? What good did this do? Whether everybody

513
00:26:59,080 --> 00:27:02,040
Speaker 2: running around calling or me, I didn't see it, like

514
00:27:02,359 --> 00:27:05,800
Speaker 2: we've had two popes that called her that, so more

515
00:27:05,840 --> 00:27:09,840
Speaker 2: than that says actually, I don't know. I don't understand it.

516
00:27:10,520 --> 00:27:13,639
Speaker 2: To me, it wasn't an anathema, it's forbidden. It was

517
00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:16,560
Speaker 2: more like, this is unhealthy. Don't do it.

518
00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:19,760
Speaker 1: You're confusing people if you use it. Well, there's a

519
00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:23,440
Speaker 1: lot of things, certainly using things here. Yeah, just walk

520
00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:26,720
Speaker 1: outside and talk to anybody going by. They're like, the

521
00:27:26,760 --> 00:27:29,320
Speaker 1: Blessed Mother is nobody specially it's just another woman born.

522
00:27:29,880 --> 00:27:32,240
Speaker 1: And I'm like, well, see, they don't. The problem is

523
00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:34,960
Speaker 1: they don't understand. I would say, the other side is

524
00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:37,840
Speaker 1: falling off the ship on the on the other side

525
00:27:38,560 --> 00:27:41,160
Speaker 1: that they have no proper understanding of who she is.

526
00:27:41,520 --> 00:27:44,560
Speaker 1: She's the crown jewel of creation. They don't know that

527
00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:47,560
Speaker 1: they think she's equal to them, right, So that's the

528
00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:49,800
Speaker 1: bigger problem, not that so many people are running around

529
00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:53,040
Speaker 1: saying she's like God. I don't see that happening anywhere.

530
00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:55,440
Speaker 1: So I don't know why this was a big thing.

531
00:27:56,080 --> 00:27:59,040
Speaker 1: There's a cardinal that just came out and said there

532
00:27:59,119 --> 00:28:00,879
Speaker 1: is no religion, has the fullness of the truth. How

533
00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:03,320
Speaker 1: about we run down that guy and figure out what

534
00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:06,000
Speaker 1: that's about, because that's a bigger issue. Yeah, yeah, well

535
00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:08,520
Speaker 1: that's what I mean. I mean we're talking about this

536
00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:13,359
Speaker 1: might cause confusion. Well, the papacy causes confusion. Celibacy for

537
00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:16,320
Speaker 1: clerics caused confusion a lot of things. It caused confusion,

538
00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:19,800
Speaker 1: But that doesn't mean not true or right commanded by God.

539
00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:22,840
Speaker 2: Kind of confusing, yeah, kind of confusion.

540
00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:27,480
Speaker 1: The Trinity very confusing. What do you do father yourself,

541
00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:33,080
Speaker 1: in your own formation, in your own spiritual rigor to

542
00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:36,000
Speaker 1: keep yourself, if you will, in shape for these kind

543
00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:38,800
Speaker 1: of encounters and this type of work. It has to

544
00:28:38,840 --> 00:28:42,840
Speaker 1: be a different you have to be, I would imagine

545
00:28:43,280 --> 00:28:45,960
Speaker 1: spiritually in a different place than you would if you

546
00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:47,120
Speaker 1: were just Yeah.

547
00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:51,479
Speaker 2: So back in two thousand and one, I lived in

548
00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:53,640
Speaker 2: New York City. After nine eleven I lived so close

549
00:28:53,680 --> 00:28:56,760
Speaker 2: to the trades and they closed my neighborhood. I was

550
00:28:56,800 --> 00:28:58,280
Speaker 2: like five blocks of the trades that so I had

551
00:28:58,320 --> 00:29:01,280
Speaker 2: to move. Why not moving to Boston and living with

552
00:29:01,320 --> 00:29:03,960
Speaker 2: this priest, Father de Lorenzo, who was amazing, and he

553
00:29:04,040 --> 00:29:07,120
Speaker 2: had every day two hours before the blessed Sacrament with

554
00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:11,200
Speaker 2: his Bible open. I'd never been totoration, so my first

555
00:29:11,280 --> 00:29:12,640
Speaker 2: day he says, you're going to do ten minutes, and

556
00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:14,280
Speaker 2: you're going to think it's an hour, but during the

557
00:29:14,320 --> 00:29:16,920
Speaker 2: ten minutes and we'll build you up. And after about

558
00:29:16,920 --> 00:29:18,640
Speaker 2: a month, I was doing an hour and I've kept

559
00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:21,320
Speaker 2: that for all these years. So we have a public

560
00:29:21,320 --> 00:29:23,920
Speaker 2: Holy Hour at my church at seven to eight, and

561
00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:27,360
Speaker 2: then we have Benediction Mass, but I'm hearing confessions during

562
00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:29,400
Speaker 2: that one. So I do mine from six to seven.

563
00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:32,280
Speaker 2: So I get up at about four thirty to take

564
00:29:32,320 --> 00:29:34,760
Speaker 2: the dog and eat breakfast and shower and all and

565
00:29:34,760 --> 00:29:37,560
Speaker 2: the bombing the church by five thirty. And it seems

566
00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:39,880
Speaker 2: early for a lot of people, but that's my routine,

567
00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:43,080
Speaker 2: and nobody bothers it because people aren't awake yet. Yeah,

568
00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:45,240
Speaker 2: I get phone calls at five thirty six in the morning,

569
00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:49,440
Speaker 2: so that and I have contemplation time where I speak

570
00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:53,600
Speaker 2: to God, I hear him speak back, and that relationship

571
00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:57,680
Speaker 2: is everything. When you know that you're loved by the

572
00:29:57,720 --> 00:30:02,200
Speaker 2: most powerful, intelligent, kind giving person that ever walked the earth,

573
00:30:02,920 --> 00:30:05,640
Speaker 2: you really don't need validation from anybody else. And then

574
00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:09,120
Speaker 2: you're good for the day. Like whatever comes, He's with me.

575
00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:11,440
Speaker 2: He knew it was going to happen. He has a

576
00:30:11,480 --> 00:30:13,080
Speaker 2: remedy for it. It's all gonna be fine.

577
00:30:13,360 --> 00:30:16,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, Because I mean I've heard stories from exorcists and

578
00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:21,920
Speaker 1: the young priests who are starting this ministry. If there's

579
00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:25,200
Speaker 1: any little chink in the armor, the devil will find it.

580
00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:26,080
Speaker 2: Yeah.

581
00:30:26,120 --> 00:30:29,880
Speaker 1: Well, usually publicly during the exorcism because he can.

582
00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:32,600
Speaker 2: He wants to humiliate and embarrass the priest. Well, you

583
00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:35,800
Speaker 2: asked the question, why would God allow such a thing? Yeah?

584
00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:38,560
Speaker 2: Why would God allow padre Pea to be physically beaten

585
00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:43,160
Speaker 2: up at night? Physically like bruised because his soul was

586
00:30:43,240 --> 00:30:45,560
Speaker 2: kind of untouchable. He had gotten to a point of

587
00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:48,920
Speaker 2: transforming union with God that the only way the devil

588
00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:52,240
Speaker 2: could harm him was physically. Yeah, why would he allow it?

589
00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:57,240
Speaker 2: Because po knew if if God's letting this happen, it's

590
00:30:57,320 --> 00:31:00,400
Speaker 2: because I can unite this to his cross, save a

591
00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:03,080
Speaker 2: big soul that's in need. Wow. And he knew that

592
00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:06,680
Speaker 2: the next day there's somebody coming probably thirty forty years

593
00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:08,880
Speaker 2: away from the confessional that would be walking through those

594
00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:11,360
Speaker 2: doors because of this attack. God's going to now you

595
00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:14,080
Speaker 2: convert my suffering to grace and rescue people.

596
00:31:14,360 --> 00:31:16,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I've seen that. I mean I saw it

597
00:31:16,920 --> 00:31:19,560
Speaker 1: with Mother Angelica. You know, you have people who are

598
00:31:20,760 --> 00:31:23,520
Speaker 1: you have this contemplative and such close union and then

599
00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:24,160
Speaker 1: God just.

600
00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:27,640
Speaker 2: I used to say, You're like God's pincushion. You know

601
00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:29,400
Speaker 2: if there's a physical.

602
00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:30,760
Speaker 1: Ailment, so it will happen to you.

603
00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:32,440
Speaker 2: It's getting dumped out of her.

604
00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:34,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm not out of a carriage. And you know,

605
00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:36,840
Speaker 1: if this is how you treat your friends, no wonder,

606
00:31:36,840 --> 00:31:38,880
Speaker 1: I have so few of them. And Mother kind of

607
00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:41,360
Speaker 1: took that same She had that same approach it this

608
00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:43,240
Speaker 1: is well, this is the cross, I'm caring for the moment,

609
00:31:43,280 --> 00:31:45,440
Speaker 1: don't worry about Let's keep going, and she just stay

610
00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:48,840
Speaker 1: on mission. It was an amazing thing to watch. Tell

611
00:31:48,840 --> 00:31:54,240
Speaker 1: me about is there a danger Father? In public exposure?

612
00:31:54,360 --> 00:31:58,080
Speaker 1: This was once a very anonymous, quiet correct media and

613
00:31:58,200 --> 00:32:02,880
Speaker 1: all of us. I'm guilty have kind of put a

614
00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:04,920
Speaker 1: focus on this and shone a light on you that

615
00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:05,840
Speaker 1: wasn't there before.

616
00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:09,920
Speaker 2: Is that dangerous for you? It can be. It can be.

617
00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:13,120
Speaker 2: You know, pride is the king of all sins. So

618
00:32:13,160 --> 00:32:15,960
Speaker 2: you don't want to get into a position where you

619
00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:19,320
Speaker 2: suddenly feel like you're a celebrity. Yeah, and that can happen.

620
00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:21,959
Speaker 2: I mean, I think there's people out there who you know,

621
00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:24,760
Speaker 2: like Mike Schmidz is probably the most well known priest,

622
00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:27,479
Speaker 2: but if I don't know, if you've ever met him,

623
00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:32,280
Speaker 2: he's one of the most down to earth, generous, thoughtful, caring,

624
00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:35,719
Speaker 2: and I know, the prespidit can be rough. You know,

625
00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:39,080
Speaker 2: priests can be very envious and jealous too, and that

626
00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:42,440
Speaker 2: can be across to bear times as well, because they

627
00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:44,760
Speaker 2: don't like that you're getting all this attention. That's the

628
00:32:44,760 --> 00:32:47,760
Speaker 2: real risk. But here's what happened about five years ago.

629
00:32:48,360 --> 00:32:50,520
Speaker 2: I was at an extous conference which we do have,

630
00:32:50,920 --> 00:32:54,080
Speaker 2: and you know a few guys were talking, like, you know,

631
00:32:54,400 --> 00:32:59,240
Speaker 2: the case COVID was just horrible. So it was a

632
00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:02,960
Speaker 2: conscious decision maybe if we educate the public, our workload

633
00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:06,560
Speaker 2: would go down. M you know, possibly.

634
00:33:08,280 --> 00:33:11,760
Speaker 1: Inoculation well, this is not good.

635
00:33:11,760 --> 00:33:13,800
Speaker 2: Don't be doing these things, and you need to start

636
00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:17,320
Speaker 2: doing these things. And so the education of the mass

637
00:33:17,320 --> 00:33:21,080
Speaker 2: public was a determined idea for a lot of us.

638
00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:23,280
Speaker 2: I mean, Vince was very at the forefront of it.

639
00:33:23,560 --> 00:33:27,240
Speaker 2: Carlo does a great job. Rippridge is amazing his teachings.

640
00:33:27,320 --> 00:33:31,760
Speaker 2: He's truly an academic. He could be in a university.

641
00:33:31,840 --> 00:33:35,560
Speaker 2: Books are incredible. Yes, dominion very very difficult to read.

642
00:33:36,120 --> 00:33:40,520
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, I know, but like cumulatively, I think

643
00:33:40,560 --> 00:33:43,040
Speaker 2: it does help. I think people start to realize, you know,

644
00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:44,880
Speaker 2: they might tune in because they want to hear about

645
00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:48,120
Speaker 2: some crazy excess that went off the rails, but if

646
00:33:48,160 --> 00:33:50,160
Speaker 2: they're going to walk away going, don't go to the

647
00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:54,959
Speaker 2: psychic or this could happen. I mean, the EXOSUS files fantastic,

648
00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:58,560
Speaker 2: Like some of them. I'm listening in the car going

649
00:33:58,600 --> 00:34:01,560
Speaker 2: somewhere and I'm just like whoa, Like that's a crazy,

650
00:34:01,600 --> 00:34:03,080
Speaker 2: big lesson. I hope everybody heard that.

651
00:34:03,280 --> 00:34:07,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, so that's part of why you publicly talk about this.

652
00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:10,400
Speaker 2: And yes, I mean I don't see the reason to

653
00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:10,800
Speaker 2: be hidden.

654
00:34:11,120 --> 00:34:15,560
Speaker 1: I mean, well, there was also a time father when scientists,

655
00:34:15,600 --> 00:34:20,520
Speaker 1: psychologists pooh poohed exorcism. It was a filthy thing to

656
00:34:20,560 --> 00:34:23,080
Speaker 1: be kept on the margins and kind of a superstitious

657
00:34:23,120 --> 00:34:27,440
Speaker 1: practice that those crazy Catholics do. Tell me how you

658
00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:29,840
Speaker 1: you and I mean, now it's organized. You all have

659
00:34:30,239 --> 00:34:32,520
Speaker 1: meetings in Rome, you have meetings in the United States.

660
00:34:32,680 --> 00:34:35,160
Speaker 1: I walked into the middle of one by accident, one

661
00:34:35,160 --> 00:34:38,080
Speaker 1: of the little hotel well there. I didn't walk into

662
00:34:38,080 --> 00:34:39,719
Speaker 1: the meeting, but I walked into the meeting place, and

663
00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:41,560
Speaker 1: suddenly all these priests signed over there. I'm like, wait

664
00:34:41,560 --> 00:34:44,359
Speaker 1: a minute, what's happening here? And they're like I could

665
00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:46,279
Speaker 1: see the looks. I'm like, what are you all doing?

666
00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:49,600
Speaker 1: And I figured it out. But tell me how you're

667
00:34:49,600 --> 00:34:53,160
Speaker 1: trying to bridge that gap from this a bias against

668
00:34:53,400 --> 00:34:57,200
Speaker 1: exorcism to really embracing it in the culture, which you

669
00:34:57,239 --> 00:35:00,040
Speaker 1: do see now in a way you didn't in the

670
00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:01,440
Speaker 1: sixty seventies eighties.

671
00:35:02,640 --> 00:35:04,760
Speaker 2: I really don't bump into a lot of people anymore

672
00:35:04,760 --> 00:35:07,520
Speaker 2: that don't believe the devil is real. I mean, and

673
00:35:07,560 --> 00:35:09,439
Speaker 2: if they do, they don't tell me, So I don't.

674
00:35:09,480 --> 00:35:11,920
Speaker 2: Really that's not a thing for me. It might have

675
00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:18,359
Speaker 2: been twenty years ago, yeah, but you know, even there

676
00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:20,200
Speaker 2: are still a few dioceses who don't have an exis,

677
00:35:20,239 --> 00:35:23,719
Speaker 2: which grieves me horribly. I know a case of a

678
00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:27,080
Speaker 2: woman in New York who can't get help, and so

679
00:35:27,120 --> 00:35:30,560
Speaker 2: she went to a neighboring diocese and asked if their

680
00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:32,640
Speaker 2: excis would help her, and he said, I will as

681
00:35:32,640 --> 00:35:34,360
Speaker 2: long as I have permission from your bishop.

682
00:35:34,520 --> 00:35:36,719
Speaker 1: Wait a minute, the New York archdiocese.

683
00:35:36,200 --> 00:35:41,359
Speaker 2: Is not archdiocese, a New York diocese side state. And

684
00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:43,759
Speaker 2: that bishop said no, I'm not giving you the letter.

685
00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:47,280
Speaker 2: And to me, that's like, why would you want someone

686
00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:50,120
Speaker 2: to suffer? So I told her it's not going to

687
00:35:50,120 --> 00:35:52,160
Speaker 2: be a one and done. You're going to have to move,

688
00:35:53,080 --> 00:35:55,680
Speaker 2: even temporarily, maybe rent the place somewhere else so that

689
00:35:55,760 --> 00:36:00,560
Speaker 2: you're physically the resident of that diocese. Wow, it shouldn't

690
00:36:00,560 --> 00:36:00,920
Speaker 2: be like that.

691
00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:04,080
Speaker 1: Why is that important? Tell people watching why that's important

692
00:36:04,080 --> 00:36:06,920
Speaker 1: and listening that you have. Why is the permission of

693
00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:10,319
Speaker 1: the bishop needed? Why can't a priest just say, like

694
00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:13,280
Speaker 1: you would, Well, this guy has sin, he wants to confessor,

695
00:36:13,360 --> 00:36:15,280
Speaker 1: let's go, let's get this done.

696
00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:17,160
Speaker 2: Why does he need the bishops? Well, they give us

697
00:36:17,160 --> 00:36:19,719
Speaker 2: faculties to do that. You know, you can't just do

698
00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:22,200
Speaker 2: that without the faculties. So at ordination you're given that

699
00:36:22,200 --> 00:36:26,360
Speaker 2: faculty to do that. Okay, Exorcism is a risky business.

700
00:36:26,560 --> 00:36:28,359
Speaker 2: You can get in trouble, you can get beat up,

701
00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:31,720
Speaker 2: you could even there's been cases where people have died.

702
00:36:32,239 --> 00:36:35,240
Speaker 2: So you don't just willingly say everybody, go do whatever

703
00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:39,120
Speaker 2: they want, because you can see how if somebody isn't

704
00:36:39,160 --> 00:36:43,359
Speaker 2: really living a life of deep prayer and you know,

705
00:36:43,840 --> 00:36:48,480
Speaker 2: go to the New Testament, Skiva and the seven Sons, Yeah,

706
00:36:48,520 --> 00:36:50,560
Speaker 2: we're going to do it. We're going to do the exorism.

707
00:36:50,640 --> 00:36:53,440
Speaker 2: And the demon attacks them and strips them of all

708
00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:55,160
Speaker 2: their clothes and beats them and they go running out

709
00:36:55,200 --> 00:36:57,759
Speaker 2: of the house like crazy people because they were not

710
00:36:57,840 --> 00:37:01,680
Speaker 2: in relationship with Jesus. So you would hope every priest is,

711
00:37:01,719 --> 00:37:03,680
Speaker 2: but not all of them want to do it either.

712
00:37:03,719 --> 00:37:05,279
Speaker 2: I've had pre s I don't want any part of this.

713
00:37:06,520 --> 00:37:09,839
Speaker 2: I'm just giving you the number you call them. I'm like, well,

714
00:37:09,880 --> 00:37:13,360
Speaker 2: you know you're in the warfare game. Just by absolving sins,

715
00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:16,319
Speaker 2: you're in the game. This is kind of baptism has

716
00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:17,080
Speaker 2: an exorcism in it.

717
00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:20,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right, there's a minor exorcism right in the

718
00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:24,480
Speaker 1: baptism right, Why you why did you find yourself here?

719
00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:25,680
Speaker 1: I want to go back from me. You grow up

720
00:37:25,680 --> 00:37:26,360
Speaker 1: in Long Island.

721
00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:26,560
Speaker 2: Yep.

722
00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:30,040
Speaker 1: Vatican too, boy, Yep, you've said. I read an interview

723
00:37:30,080 --> 00:37:31,799
Speaker 1: where you said vatick and two did a number on

724
00:37:31,840 --> 00:37:32,239
Speaker 1: the church.

725
00:37:32,360 --> 00:37:38,480
Speaker 2: Also well, at the risk of getting in trouble, the

726
00:37:38,520 --> 00:37:42,719
Speaker 2: interpretation wasn't always the way it should be, okay, And

727
00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:45,120
Speaker 2: where I lived in the Northeast, it was a lot

728
00:37:45,120 --> 00:37:47,279
Speaker 2: of felt banners and God loves you, and that was

729
00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:51,319
Speaker 2: your catechisis That's not a good catecorsis because it really

730
00:37:51,320 --> 00:37:54,439
Speaker 2: doesn't give the fullness of the image of who God

731
00:37:54,520 --> 00:37:57,440
Speaker 2: is for one or what our responsibility is towards him.

732
00:37:58,040 --> 00:37:59,799
Speaker 2: To just be told he loves you, go live your

733
00:37:59,840 --> 00:38:02,080
Speaker 2: life means what does that mean? Yeah? I can do

734
00:38:02,120 --> 00:38:07,840
Speaker 2: whatever I want. So I think the seventies were a disaster.

735
00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:10,400
Speaker 2: I think in a lot of places, and they the

736
00:38:12,880 --> 00:38:15,480
Speaker 2: awe and the mystique of God was kind of hidden,

737
00:38:15,600 --> 00:38:18,280
Speaker 2: and it was just like He's just like mister Rogerson,

738
00:38:19,160 --> 00:38:22,800
Speaker 2: you know, he's your guy, like us, He gets us, right.

739
00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:26,000
Speaker 2: So that's what I meant by that is that, Do

740
00:38:26,080 --> 00:38:27,239
Speaker 2: I mean back into is wrong?

741
00:38:27,320 --> 00:38:27,400
Speaker 1: No?

742
00:38:27,600 --> 00:38:31,120
Speaker 2: I think that it was just in some places misinterpreted.

743
00:38:32,560 --> 00:38:35,919
Speaker 1: You at eleven years old, are on a retreat, and

744
00:38:36,880 --> 00:38:41,399
Speaker 1: I know a horrible incident the felue at the hands

745
00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:45,640
Speaker 1: of a priest. Yep, you were molested. How do you

746
00:38:45,719 --> 00:38:50,560
Speaker 1: get past that to even go back to church? Let's

747
00:38:50,600 --> 00:38:51,879
Speaker 1: embrace the ministry you're in.

748
00:38:51,880 --> 00:38:54,839
Speaker 2: Now for twenty two years, I really yeah. I mean,

749
00:38:54,880 --> 00:38:57,680
Speaker 2: with rare exception, I got confirmed, but I really didn't

750
00:38:58,040 --> 00:38:59,959
Speaker 2: darken the hallway of a church for twenty two years

751
00:39:01,040 --> 00:39:02,480
Speaker 2: by choice. I just said I don't want to be

752
00:39:02,640 --> 00:39:05,279
Speaker 2: around these guys. I mean, I painted them all with

753
00:39:05,320 --> 00:39:07,080
Speaker 2: the same brush. But that's if you're eleven. I mean,

754
00:39:07,120 --> 00:39:09,000
Speaker 2: what are you going to do? Didn't tell anybody until

755
00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:13,280
Speaker 2: I went to college, and then, you know, I rebelled,

756
00:39:13,680 --> 00:39:16,879
Speaker 2: I got beggar, joined the football team, worked out a lot,

757
00:39:17,440 --> 00:39:20,719
Speaker 2: drank excessively on the weekends with the rest of them,

758
00:39:21,320 --> 00:39:24,960
Speaker 2: and you just live your life, you know, until I

759
00:39:25,040 --> 00:39:27,839
Speaker 2: kind of woke up one day having been very successful

760
00:39:28,080 --> 00:39:31,160
Speaker 2: in the banking industry in New York, and was miserable,

761
00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:34,360
Speaker 2: and I'm like, why am I unhappy? I have everything

762
00:39:34,360 --> 00:39:37,920
Speaker 2: I ever wanted, Why am I unhappy? And ironically I

763
00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:41,000
Speaker 2: was having nightmares, same nightmare every night. What was it?

764
00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:42,920
Speaker 2: It was the weirdest dream. I was on a bullet

765
00:39:42,920 --> 00:39:46,840
Speaker 2: train in Europe going over a bridge, and the bridge

766
00:39:46,880 --> 00:39:50,040
Speaker 2: collapses and the train goes into the ocean and I'm

767
00:39:50,080 --> 00:39:52,279
Speaker 2: underwater and there's all these babies drowning and I can't

768
00:39:52,320 --> 00:39:55,000
Speaker 2: reach any of the babies. And I don't know what

769
00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:57,239
Speaker 2: it means. I've never found out what it means. But

770
00:39:57,280 --> 00:40:00,440
Speaker 2: I had it every night. The day I boo the

771
00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:04,239
Speaker 2: trip to Bosnia, the dream ended, never came back. What

772
00:40:04,320 --> 00:40:07,880
Speaker 2: was in Bosnia? Manjagori? And why did you decide to

773
00:40:07,960 --> 00:40:10,640
Speaker 2: go there? A friend was going and she asked if

774
00:40:10,680 --> 00:40:12,640
Speaker 2: I wanted to go with her because the war had

775
00:40:12,640 --> 00:40:15,480
Speaker 2: just thended. She thought, you know, be safer if I went.

776
00:40:16,280 --> 00:40:18,359
Speaker 2: And I looked at a map I was renting a villain,

777
00:40:18,400 --> 00:40:20,680
Speaker 2: a Maffie, and I, well, it's right across the water.

778
00:40:20,760 --> 00:40:23,680
Speaker 2: It was time, the same food and wine and beautiful hotels.

779
00:40:24,120 --> 00:40:27,640
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, it's nothing. It's like nineteen hundred stopped.

780
00:40:29,080 --> 00:40:32,120
Speaker 2: But I woke up that next morning there with a

781
00:40:32,120 --> 00:40:35,759
Speaker 2: tremendous peace, like a piece I'd never felt my whole life.

782
00:40:35,800 --> 00:40:38,239
Speaker 2: And ye, I had a reason for that. I mean,

783
00:40:38,320 --> 00:40:40,799
Speaker 2: I have twenty two years of mortal sin that need

784
00:40:40,840 --> 00:40:43,400
Speaker 2: to be absolved. So I don't know. That was just

785
00:40:43,440 --> 00:40:49,160
Speaker 2: supernatural gift, purely by his goodness. I didn't deserve it.

786
00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:52,120
Speaker 2: But that's when I realized I have to go to confession.

787
00:40:52,719 --> 00:40:55,799
Speaker 2: And I kind of stalked the church looking for a

788
00:40:55,800 --> 00:40:58,920
Speaker 2: priest that would be merciful. I didn't need some judge

789
00:40:59,040 --> 00:41:01,560
Speaker 2: priest telling me my sins are bad. Yeah, and I

790
00:41:01,600 --> 00:41:04,600
Speaker 2: found one. He was a good priest actually, but he

791
00:41:04,640 --> 00:41:06,880
Speaker 2: seemed he was He seemed like a playboy. He was

792
00:41:07,200 --> 00:41:11,520
Speaker 2: handsome and smoking a cigarette editating these women, and I said, yeah,

793
00:41:11,520 --> 00:41:13,680
Speaker 2: this is the guy, this is my guy. Yeah. So

794
00:41:13,719 --> 00:41:15,960
Speaker 2: he absolved me and then he says to me, you know,

795
00:41:16,080 --> 00:41:18,920
Speaker 2: I think you have a vocation to be a priest.

796
00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:21,480
Speaker 2: And I go, what I go, I don't think you

797
00:41:21,560 --> 00:41:24,480
Speaker 2: understand English? He was he was Croatian. Wow, and he goes, no,

798
00:41:24,600 --> 00:41:27,960
Speaker 2: all things are possible with God. And I just thanked

799
00:41:28,040 --> 00:41:29,520
Speaker 2: him and went on my merry way. I never I

800
00:41:29,560 --> 00:41:32,960
Speaker 2: never gave it another thought, right, And eventually when I

801
00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:35,359
Speaker 2: got back to New York City, I had to like

802
00:41:36,400 --> 00:41:39,279
Speaker 2: reform my life. You know, the pilgrimages are easy. It's

803
00:41:39,280 --> 00:41:42,040
Speaker 2: getting out of but it's hard. So I had to

804
00:41:42,160 --> 00:41:44,080
Speaker 2: cut a bunch of people out of my life that

805
00:41:44,120 --> 00:41:46,239
Speaker 2: were not good influences. And I joined the Wall Street

806
00:41:46,239 --> 00:41:48,799
Speaker 2: Young Catholic Associations, started going to daily by the way,

807
00:41:48,800 --> 00:41:51,880
Speaker 2: that church our Lady of Victory. Yeah, back then they

808
00:41:51,880 --> 00:41:55,879
Speaker 2: had nine daily masses. Wow, three before nine, three during lunch,

809
00:41:55,920 --> 00:41:58,080
Speaker 2: and three after five right down to Wall Street. Yeah,

810
00:41:58,239 --> 00:42:02,839
Speaker 2: Chase Plazas. Wow, that was my church. Huh uh. A

811
00:42:02,840 --> 00:42:06,359
Speaker 2: priest wanted to know my story and I told him.

812
00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:08,719
Speaker 2: He says, you're going to need a spiritual director. And

813
00:42:08,719 --> 00:42:11,040
Speaker 2: I said why and he goes, do trust me, you're

814
00:42:11,080 --> 00:42:13,040
Speaker 2: going to And so I said, is that you? And

815
00:42:13,160 --> 00:42:15,880
Speaker 2: basically it was this Polish priest. I said yeah. And

816
00:42:15,960 --> 00:42:17,480
Speaker 2: the first thing he said was did you ever ask

817
00:42:17,560 --> 00:42:20,960
Speaker 2: God what he wanted for your life? I said no,

818
00:42:21,719 --> 00:42:23,840
Speaker 2: I was born in sixty five. I don't think anybody's

819
00:42:23,880 --> 00:42:27,560
Speaker 2: ever done that in my generation. Like literally, you go

820
00:42:27,640 --> 00:42:30,160
Speaker 2: to a prep school, high school, you have a guidance

821
00:42:30,200 --> 00:42:32,200
Speaker 2: counselor that does a bunch of tests on he says,

822
00:42:32,239 --> 00:42:33,880
Speaker 2: these are your strengths. You should go into these fields.

823
00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:37,600
Speaker 2: You rightister for that? In college, I was engineering. That's

824
00:42:37,640 --> 00:42:40,440
Speaker 2: it and that's what you do. Yeah. So, and I've

825
00:42:40,440 --> 00:42:42,880
Speaker 2: asked my contidence have you ever have you ever done that?

826
00:42:42,960 --> 00:42:45,319
Speaker 2: They said, well, not back then, but since you know,

827
00:42:45,600 --> 00:42:48,120
Speaker 2: it's much more. But you're married somewhere in between. I

828
00:42:48,160 --> 00:42:51,080
Speaker 2: was for how long? About five years?

829
00:42:51,360 --> 00:42:53,359
Speaker 1: And then that's an old She wouldn't she didn't want

830
00:42:53,360 --> 00:42:53,560
Speaker 1: to have.

831
00:42:53,560 --> 00:42:55,880
Speaker 2: Children, never had kids, She got remarried and didn't have

832
00:42:55,960 --> 00:42:57,239
Speaker 2: kid What a path for you?

833
00:42:57,960 --> 00:42:59,920
Speaker 1: Why do you think you were chosen for this war

834
00:43:00,840 --> 00:43:01,600
Speaker 1: of all people?

835
00:43:02,600 --> 00:43:04,400
Speaker 2: Well, that's a good question. You know. When I was

836
00:43:04,440 --> 00:43:08,799
Speaker 2: in a contemplative hermit, there's a lot of prayer time

837
00:43:09,560 --> 00:43:11,680
Speaker 2: part of the nature of being a hermit, you know,

838
00:43:12,080 --> 00:43:16,440
Speaker 2: and it's silence. So I was having trouble with the

839
00:43:16,480 --> 00:43:19,720
Speaker 2: idea of not having my own children. It's getting closer

840
00:43:19,719 --> 00:43:21,480
Speaker 2: to the final vows and I have to like commit

841
00:43:21,560 --> 00:43:24,360
Speaker 2: and I'm like, eh, I don't know about this. And

842
00:43:24,400 --> 00:43:28,200
Speaker 2: then one day I was praying and I was having

843
00:43:28,200 --> 00:43:30,600
Speaker 2: a conversation with God the Father, and he said something

844
00:43:30,640 --> 00:43:35,959
Speaker 2: to the effect of, you know, Jesus chose to bring

845
00:43:36,040 --> 00:43:39,400
Speaker 2: new life into the world through the cross that's hit

846
00:43:39,400 --> 00:43:41,880
Speaker 2: the way new life came, and you're going to be

847
00:43:41,880 --> 00:43:44,399
Speaker 2: bringing new life through this vocation, even though you don't

848
00:43:44,440 --> 00:43:46,360
Speaker 2: have your own children, and you're going to have many children,

849
00:43:46,480 --> 00:43:51,320
Speaker 2: but they're not going to be biological. And although giving

850
00:43:51,360 --> 00:43:54,640
Speaker 2: birth to a human baby is a great gift and

851
00:43:54,680 --> 00:43:59,040
Speaker 2: a blessing, if that child doesn't get to heaven, it's

852
00:43:59,080 --> 00:44:02,600
Speaker 2: a curse. You're going to have the ability to move

853
00:44:02,719 --> 00:44:05,520
Speaker 2: people out of this box heading to hell into this

854
00:44:05,600 --> 00:44:09,280
Speaker 2: box going to heaven. And that's really important and really necessary.

855
00:44:09,800 --> 00:44:13,520
Speaker 2: And by the way, very it was fascinating because the

856
00:44:13,600 --> 00:44:16,200
Speaker 2: beginning of this kind of start with this. I want

857
00:44:16,239 --> 00:44:19,600
Speaker 2: to ask you a question, and I go, You've never

858
00:44:19,680 --> 00:44:21,480
Speaker 2: asked me if you can ask me a question, you

859
00:44:21,480 --> 00:44:24,319
Speaker 2: always just talk. Why are you asking me? You just

860
00:44:24,360 --> 00:44:26,680
Speaker 2: asked me a question. By the way, so he goes,

861
00:44:26,719 --> 00:44:29,359
Speaker 2: because I want you to never forget this, all right?

862
00:44:30,040 --> 00:44:31,600
Speaker 2: He said, if I could take you back to being

863
00:44:31,640 --> 00:44:34,839
Speaker 2: ten years old before the abuse, knowing what I've done

864
00:44:34,840 --> 00:44:37,200
Speaker 2: with through life and knowing all the people you've helped already,

865
00:44:38,520 --> 00:44:41,920
Speaker 2: would you and I could remove the abuse from your future,

866
00:44:41,960 --> 00:44:44,799
Speaker 2: would you have me do that? And I thought about

867
00:44:44,800 --> 00:44:49,680
Speaker 2: it and I said no, because I'm fine, I'm completely

868
00:44:49,719 --> 00:44:51,880
Speaker 2: healed with this. But I do realize all the people

869
00:44:51,920 --> 00:44:54,680
Speaker 2: you've helped by me being able to pray with them

870
00:44:54,719 --> 00:44:57,160
Speaker 2: and work with them and share my own story with them.

871
00:44:57,640 --> 00:44:59,759
Speaker 2: So I wouldn't change a thing. And that was a

872
00:45:00,040 --> 00:45:04,560
Speaker 2: found moment because I realized it's the embodiment of Romans

873
00:45:04,600 --> 00:45:07,000
Speaker 2: eight twenty eight. I can do. I can bring goodness

874
00:45:07,000 --> 00:45:09,160
Speaker 2: out of anything for those who love me and let

875
00:45:09,160 --> 00:45:10,040
Speaker 2: me work in their life.

876
00:45:10,400 --> 00:45:14,000
Speaker 1: When you told that dream you had to me just up.

877
00:45:14,560 --> 00:45:17,319
Speaker 1: My thought was, Yeah, you were on the bullet train

878
00:45:18,440 --> 00:45:20,200
Speaker 1: and you couldn't reach any of those people because you

879
00:45:20,239 --> 00:45:21,480
Speaker 1: didn't the faculties to do it.

880
00:45:21,520 --> 00:45:23,560
Speaker 2: But now you can reach those babies and pull them in.

881
00:45:23,760 --> 00:45:25,759
Speaker 2: That's true. That's what you spent the rest of your

882
00:45:25,960 --> 00:45:26,479
Speaker 2: life doing.

883
00:45:27,360 --> 00:45:31,399
Speaker 1: It's not a reader of dreams life. I'll say, how

884
00:45:31,400 --> 00:45:33,920
Speaker 1: were you trained for exorcism? But what's the Tell me

885
00:45:33,960 --> 00:45:36,080
Speaker 1: what the training is like? You went to Rome, right,

886
00:45:36,080 --> 00:45:38,880
Speaker 1: They sent you to Rome. It's and the bishop chose you.

887
00:45:38,920 --> 00:45:41,880
Speaker 2: Why because I was kind of already doing everything but

888
00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:46,839
Speaker 2: the right I see, it's classroom format, it's intense. It's

889
00:45:46,840 --> 00:45:49,680
Speaker 2: from like seven thirty in the morning till seven at night,

890
00:45:50,160 --> 00:45:55,439
Speaker 2: and you're hitting everything. Demonology, exorcism in the scriptures, there's

891
00:45:55,480 --> 00:45:59,440
Speaker 2: even the devil in the media. There's all sorts of classes,

892
00:45:59,480 --> 00:46:02,720
Speaker 2: and you're there a few times. Oh I'm sure, I'm sure.

893
00:46:02,800 --> 00:46:04,160
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, he runs it.

894
00:46:04,239 --> 00:46:07,800
Speaker 2: He runs the show. Yeah, yeah, so's it's a formal

895
00:46:07,840 --> 00:46:10,960
Speaker 2: and there's practicums of watching how you would do the right.

896
00:46:11,000 --> 00:46:12,480
Speaker 2: And then we have excess come in and speak to

897
00:46:12,600 --> 00:46:13,800
Speaker 2: and one of them was Cardinal Simoni.

898
00:46:14,160 --> 00:46:18,840
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, who just just did an exorcism right at

899
00:46:19,280 --> 00:46:21,640
Speaker 1: Saint Peter's. Was that warranted in your mind?

900
00:46:24,040 --> 00:46:27,319
Speaker 2: That's about my I have no knowledge of what goes

901
00:46:27,320 --> 00:46:29,640
Speaker 2: on over there, so I couldn't even make an educated statement. Okay,

902
00:46:30,120 --> 00:46:34,600
Speaker 2: but where there is power, you will find the devil

903
00:46:34,760 --> 00:46:38,640
Speaker 2: trying to influence. And so is it a bad thing

904
00:46:38,680 --> 00:46:40,719
Speaker 2: to do that? I would say no, I mean, what's

905
00:46:40,760 --> 00:46:42,799
Speaker 2: the harm? Yeah, are you telling me you think there's

906
00:46:42,800 --> 00:46:45,880
Speaker 2: no demonic influence in trying to destroy the Vatican? I

907
00:46:45,880 --> 00:46:47,960
Speaker 2: would say that's crazy. Of course they're going to try

908
00:46:48,000 --> 00:46:48,560
Speaker 2: to destroy it.

909
00:46:48,880 --> 00:46:51,759
Speaker 1: I've seen Father a more. My friend Bill Friedkin, who

910
00:46:51,840 --> 00:46:54,359
Speaker 1: did the exorcism in his very one of the last

911
00:46:54,360 --> 00:46:57,360
Speaker 1: films he did was a documentary on Father Amore okay,

912
00:46:57,440 --> 00:46:59,919
Speaker 1: and he kind of shadowed a more as he went around.

913
00:47:00,320 --> 00:47:05,960
Speaker 1: He was kind of a he was an improvisitory exorcistem

914
00:47:05,960 --> 00:47:09,120
Speaker 1: he didn't follow the right as much as he kind

915
00:47:09,120 --> 00:47:11,359
Speaker 1: of developed his own tactics. He would come walk up

916
00:47:11,360 --> 00:47:13,239
Speaker 1: to people and put crucifixes on the back of their

917
00:47:13,239 --> 00:47:15,520
Speaker 1: head and if they reacted, that was one of the

918
00:47:15,840 --> 00:47:18,719
Speaker 1: you know, it was one of his tells. Do you

919
00:47:18,800 --> 00:47:19,840
Speaker 1: pick this up as you go?

920
00:47:20,000 --> 00:47:22,080
Speaker 2: Is it a craft? If you will, that you can

921
00:47:22,120 --> 00:47:25,719
Speaker 2: pick up this right of exorcism? You do learn by doing,

922
00:47:26,280 --> 00:47:28,759
Speaker 2: and you start to make mental notes on oh, yeah,

923
00:47:28,760 --> 00:47:31,719
Speaker 2: that's interesting, that happened again. And sometimes it's very cyclical,

924
00:47:31,840 --> 00:47:32,720
Speaker 2: which is bizarre.

925
00:47:33,080 --> 00:47:33,719
Speaker 1: What does that mean?

926
00:47:34,600 --> 00:47:37,480
Speaker 2: Like that case with the woman with the incubus spirit,

927
00:47:37,600 --> 00:47:40,560
Speaker 2: I had three cases in one month of that spirit.

928
00:47:40,600 --> 00:47:46,360
Speaker 1: And then never again identified the possess identified as I

929
00:47:47,239 --> 00:47:49,680
Speaker 1: am this spirit inhabited well.

930
00:47:49,960 --> 00:47:51,880
Speaker 2: You know it by it's the way it's working. It's

931
00:47:51,960 --> 00:47:55,839
Speaker 2: sexually attacking people at night, and I'm like, just at once,

932
00:47:55,880 --> 00:47:57,759
Speaker 2: they all start popping up at the same time, Like

933
00:47:57,800 --> 00:48:00,120
Speaker 2: what is that about? Yeah, and it kind of this

934
00:48:00,160 --> 00:48:01,440
Speaker 2: is your head of it. I'm like, are you are

935
00:48:01,440 --> 00:48:03,920
Speaker 2: they following me? Is it because I'm here that they

936
00:48:04,000 --> 00:48:07,000
Speaker 2: keep popping up? Like suddenly, and then it's gone, and

937
00:48:07,040 --> 00:48:08,920
Speaker 2: then it's a I've never had a case since with

938
00:48:09,000 --> 00:48:10,520
Speaker 2: that particular issue.

939
00:48:11,400 --> 00:48:14,320
Speaker 1: What's the most bizarre thing you've ever seen or encountered

940
00:48:15,280 --> 00:48:19,880
Speaker 1: that you weren't prepared for. Well, I was this woman

941
00:48:20,320 --> 00:48:24,480
Speaker 1: during an actual exorcism the right. She was slithering on

942
00:48:24,480 --> 00:48:28,440
Speaker 1: the floor like a snake, and she then jerked her

943
00:48:28,440 --> 00:48:31,000
Speaker 1: head up and her eyes were like snake eyes, the

944
00:48:31,120 --> 00:48:35,200
Speaker 1: yellow like yeah, rimmed, and I thought that.

945
00:48:35,280 --> 00:48:37,680
Speaker 2: I said, oh, something bad is going to happen here,

946
00:48:38,000 --> 00:48:40,520
Speaker 2: and she flew off the floor. She did not use

947
00:48:40,560 --> 00:48:42,520
Speaker 2: her hands and feet. She flew off and grabbed my

948
00:48:42,600 --> 00:48:45,879
Speaker 2: stole and started choking me. And I couldn't stop, right,

949
00:48:45,920 --> 00:48:48,959
Speaker 2: I mean, this was like superhuman strength. And I looked

950
00:48:48,960 --> 00:48:52,560
Speaker 2: at my bodyguard and he were like this and he

951
00:48:52,640 --> 00:48:57,640
Speaker 2: backed up. Really wow, this is your purpose of being here? Thanks,

952
00:48:57,719 --> 00:48:59,640
Speaker 2: And so I just said, in the name of Jesus,

953
00:48:59,680 --> 00:49:03,120
Speaker 2: stopped and she fell on the floor. We regrouped and

954
00:49:03,880 --> 00:49:06,480
Speaker 2: put a few little more restraints in there. Uh, but

955
00:49:06,640 --> 00:49:09,920
Speaker 2: that was the only time I've ever been afraid. Mm hmmm.

956
00:49:11,320 --> 00:49:12,640
Speaker 1: He does he feed off of fear?

957
00:49:13,360 --> 00:49:15,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, not a good thing. Uh huh.

958
00:49:16,160 --> 00:49:18,640
Speaker 1: Father Labar, I interviewed father James Labar, who was a

959
00:49:18,680 --> 00:49:23,080
Speaker 1: psychologist worked at Bellevue Maybe okay, I can't remember he was,

960
00:49:23,280 --> 00:49:25,480
Speaker 1: but he was at a He was actually a practicing

961
00:49:25,560 --> 00:49:29,640
Speaker 1: psychologist and an exorcist, which they would often call him

962
00:49:29,640 --> 00:49:32,279
Speaker 1: in evaluate the case. He had all the tools, but

963
00:49:32,320 --> 00:49:34,920
Speaker 1: he was very you met him, he was a very sober.

964
00:49:34,600 --> 00:49:37,239
Speaker 2: Kind of very quiet man. He didn't there was very

965
00:49:37,239 --> 00:49:37,880
Speaker 2: little emotion.

966
00:49:38,040 --> 00:49:40,359
Speaker 1: He was, you know, the first time I met him,

967
00:49:40,360 --> 00:49:41,759
Speaker 1: I'm like, this is this is the guy?

968
00:49:42,000 --> 00:49:44,400
Speaker 2: You know? I'm like, But he was so mass to

969
00:49:44,440 --> 00:49:46,279
Speaker 2: be Can you imagine if it was somebody that was

970
00:49:46,360 --> 00:49:48,800
Speaker 2: over the top animated, that would be.

971
00:49:49,000 --> 00:49:50,359
Speaker 1: This is why I'm not signing up.

972
00:49:50,480 --> 00:49:52,399
Speaker 2: It's not going to be good for me. But yeah,

973
00:49:52,440 --> 00:49:52,839
Speaker 2: you're right.

974
00:49:52,920 --> 00:49:57,719
Speaker 1: You need a sober, almost clinical personality, I think, and

975
00:49:57,920 --> 00:49:58,839
Speaker 1: Labar was that.

976
00:49:59,160 --> 00:50:02,040
Speaker 2: He was very He kept a distance from it.

977
00:50:02,520 --> 00:50:05,800
Speaker 1: But I remember when he came to do the show,

978
00:50:06,239 --> 00:50:08,400
Speaker 1: not only were there blinking lights and all the paraphernalia,

979
00:50:08,480 --> 00:50:11,120
Speaker 1: his flights were delayed multiple times. Do you run into

980
00:50:11,160 --> 00:50:14,399
Speaker 1: that where there were radicals thrown into the path.

981
00:50:14,640 --> 00:50:18,560
Speaker 2: Yes, all the time. It's just part of life and

982
00:50:18,640 --> 00:50:21,680
Speaker 2: it's uh. The people who are close to me my

983
00:50:21,719 --> 00:50:23,839
Speaker 2: friends are kind of now used to it, and like, well,

984
00:50:23,840 --> 00:50:26,880
Speaker 2: it's because you're here. You brought them. And I'm like,

985
00:50:26,920 --> 00:50:30,240
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, but this we know, this is how it works.

986
00:50:31,360 --> 00:50:35,600
Speaker 2: When I did the Michael Knowles interview, they just kept saying,

987
00:50:35,800 --> 00:50:36,560
Speaker 2: this never happens.

988
00:50:36,600 --> 00:50:36,759
Speaker 1: You know.

989
00:50:36,800 --> 00:50:40,200
Speaker 2: Everything was breaking, the lighting, the sound, everything. I go, oh,

990
00:50:40,239 --> 00:50:42,560
Speaker 2: it's just temporary. We're going to get in a little bits,

991
00:50:42,680 --> 00:50:45,360
Speaker 2: just relaxed, and they were like, this is weird. Wow,

992
00:50:45,400 --> 00:50:48,560
Speaker 2: but yeah, they can mess you. Think about this. They've

993
00:50:48,600 --> 00:50:53,160
Speaker 2: been messing with electricity since electricity. They love to do that, right,

994
00:50:53,200 --> 00:50:55,920
Speaker 2: the lights, right, pulling the phone cord out of the wall.

995
00:50:55,960 --> 00:50:58,160
Speaker 1: You know, well, that's why we're using sunlight. I figured,

996
00:50:58,440 --> 00:51:02,440
Speaker 1: how can you mess with sunlight? But maybe give them

997
00:51:02,480 --> 00:51:03,960
Speaker 1: all the time. But I'm not asking for that.

998
00:51:04,200 --> 00:51:09,960
Speaker 2: Now, give them a voice with AI. Oh the implications.

999
00:51:10,080 --> 00:51:14,240
Speaker 2: Now they can speak freely. Wow, think about it. Wow.

1000
00:51:14,800 --> 00:51:17,600
Speaker 1: You told me SAVORI father little bar shared with you,

1001
00:51:17,640 --> 00:51:18,560
Speaker 1: tell me that story.

1002
00:51:19,800 --> 00:51:23,799
Speaker 2: It was a woman in Juilliard who was a violinist,

1003
00:51:23,880 --> 00:51:28,120
Speaker 2: and she was Filipino, and she basically was thirsting for

1004
00:51:28,280 --> 00:51:31,759
Speaker 2: all the world could offer. And she said frequently tell

1005
00:51:31,800 --> 00:51:33,640
Speaker 2: her friends, I would do anything to be famous. Yeah,

1006
00:51:34,239 --> 00:51:36,600
Speaker 2: And she had a dream one night where a beautiful

1007
00:51:36,680 --> 00:51:39,200
Speaker 2: naked man appeared to her and he said, do you

1008
00:51:39,239 --> 00:51:41,840
Speaker 2: want everything? And she said what does everything? Meaning his

1009
00:51:41,960 --> 00:51:45,160
Speaker 2: power and money and fame. Yes, I want it, And

1010
00:51:45,239 --> 00:51:48,400
Speaker 2: so he handed her a contract and slid her finger

1011
00:51:48,480 --> 00:51:50,480
Speaker 2: with his nail and she had to sign it in

1012
00:51:50,480 --> 00:51:53,000
Speaker 2: her blood, and then he touched it and it burst

1013
00:51:53,000 --> 00:51:55,560
Speaker 2: into flames, and the ashes fell on the floor next

1014
00:51:55,600 --> 00:51:58,360
Speaker 2: to the bed. It was into the dream, so she

1015
00:51:58,440 --> 00:52:00,319
Speaker 2: woke up in the morning though in her finger was

1016
00:52:00,360 --> 00:52:03,399
Speaker 2: cut and they were ashes next to the bed. So

1017
00:52:03,440 --> 00:52:06,160
Speaker 2: this was more than a dream. And she within a

1018
00:52:06,160 --> 00:52:08,319
Speaker 2: month had a huge contract to tour the world and

1019
00:52:08,360 --> 00:52:12,480
Speaker 2: got very in that classical Yeah, got famous there. And

1020
00:52:12,520 --> 00:52:16,839
Speaker 2: then she got into drugs and ivy use and now

1021
00:52:16,880 --> 00:52:20,320
Speaker 2: she's dying in New York hospital with aids. She finally

1022
00:52:20,360 --> 00:52:24,839
Speaker 2: tells her mother about Filipino Catholic mom and she has

1023
00:52:24,880 --> 00:52:29,279
Speaker 2: a nervous breakdown and calls the chancery and father Jim

1024
00:52:29,440 --> 00:52:31,520
Speaker 2: Lebar shows up and they tell him the whole story

1025
00:52:31,560 --> 00:52:36,520
Speaker 2: and he goes, well, blood covenant not great, You're gonna

1026
00:52:36,560 --> 00:52:39,040
Speaker 2: have done do it, so let's write out the creed

1027
00:52:39,120 --> 00:52:41,520
Speaker 2: and then you sign it in your blood, and the

1028
00:52:41,600 --> 00:52:43,480
Speaker 2: doctor said, no, we're not going to do that because

1029
00:52:43,480 --> 00:52:45,160
Speaker 2: she has eight though He's like, yeah, let just leave

1030
00:52:45,200 --> 00:52:47,759
Speaker 2: the room. We'll let's talk about it. So she does it.

1031
00:52:47,760 --> 00:52:50,880
Speaker 1: Couldn't sign it in in he wanted it to just

1032
00:52:51,040 --> 00:52:52,280
Speaker 1: like it was done initially.

1033
00:52:54,360 --> 00:52:57,799
Speaker 2: So she winds up going into convulsions and then flatlines

1034
00:52:57,800 --> 00:52:58,240
Speaker 2: and dies.

1035
00:52:58,800 --> 00:53:00,800
Speaker 1: She signs the creed in her blood.

1036
00:53:00,920 --> 00:53:06,160
Speaker 2: Yep, Wow, she dies. Everybody's hysterical. After about ten minutes,

1037
00:53:06,200 --> 00:53:08,880
Speaker 2: she jumps up off the table and she's back and

1038
00:53:08,920 --> 00:53:11,240
Speaker 2: they tested her and she had no HIV, no aid's

1039
00:53:11,320 --> 00:53:12,080
Speaker 2: completely healed.

1040
00:53:12,920 --> 00:53:13,560
Speaker 1: Wow.

1041
00:53:14,360 --> 00:53:18,200
Speaker 2: Wow, I mean this stuff is real.

1042
00:53:18,880 --> 00:53:23,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, people think this is fantasy land. The veil

1043
00:53:23,640 --> 00:53:29,120
Speaker 1: is thinner than that shade behind us. And I've always

1044
00:53:29,160 --> 00:53:32,439
Speaker 1: been very sensitive living in New Orleans. You see, you

1045
00:53:32,480 --> 00:53:36,920
Speaker 1: feel a lot of demonic infestations and people who are

1046
00:53:36,960 --> 00:53:40,880
Speaker 1: clearly not who they appear to be. And from the

1047
00:53:40,920 --> 00:53:42,279
Speaker 1: time I was a little child, I was.

1048
00:53:42,280 --> 00:53:44,759
Speaker 2: Always very kind of aware of that.

1049
00:53:44,840 --> 00:53:47,840
Speaker 1: I mean, I remember as a kid my grandfather taking

1050
00:53:47,880 --> 00:53:49,759
Speaker 1: me into a club. He was a restaurant tour but

1051
00:53:49,800 --> 00:53:52,040
Speaker 1: he knew everybody in New Orleans, and in the mornings

1052
00:53:52,040 --> 00:53:53,920
Speaker 1: he'd go at breakfast with these guys, guys from the

1053
00:53:53,920 --> 00:53:55,440
Speaker 1: hood he grew up with. And we went to this

1054
00:53:55,520 --> 00:53:57,520
Speaker 1: club and I remember we were walking. Come on, we're

1055
00:53:57,520 --> 00:53:58,759
Speaker 1: gona go see my friend. Then we're going to go

1056
00:53:58,800 --> 00:54:01,319
Speaker 1: to breakfast. And we walked and I put grabbed the

1057
00:54:01,520 --> 00:54:04,960
Speaker 1: door sill and I said no, no, no, no, and

1058
00:54:04,960 --> 00:54:06,279
Speaker 1: he said, come on, we're going to go in.

1059
00:54:06,480 --> 00:54:07,080
Speaker 2: And I wouldn't.

1060
00:54:07,080 --> 00:54:09,000
Speaker 1: I remember holding with two hands as a little kid.

1061
00:54:09,000 --> 00:54:09,719
Speaker 2: I wouldn't go in.

1062
00:54:10,000 --> 00:54:11,040
Speaker 1: He said, what's wrong with you?

1063
00:54:11,160 --> 00:54:12,319
Speaker 2: I said, I can't go in there.

1064
00:54:12,719 --> 00:54:16,560
Speaker 1: I didn't and I didn't, but it was that little

1065
00:54:16,920 --> 00:54:19,279
Speaker 1: I still I still feel that I know exactly where

1066
00:54:19,280 --> 00:54:22,360
Speaker 1: it lives. And it's like a little warning sign to me.

1067
00:54:23,080 --> 00:54:25,040
Speaker 1: Do you think we all have that we bury it

1068
00:54:25,920 --> 00:54:26,560
Speaker 1: or lose it?

1069
00:54:26,920 --> 00:54:30,280
Speaker 2: Yes, I think depending on the state of your soul.

1070
00:54:31,840 --> 00:54:34,400
Speaker 2: You know, somebody whose soul is pure, and they're going

1071
00:54:34,440 --> 00:54:37,399
Speaker 2: to recognize evil right away, You're going to sense it. Yeah,

1072
00:54:37,560 --> 00:54:40,120
Speaker 2: you're also going to recognize holiness right away. When you're

1073
00:54:40,120 --> 00:54:42,879
Speaker 2: into the presence of you know, mother Teresa John Paul,

1074
00:54:43,000 --> 00:54:47,000
Speaker 2: you just feel it. It's like, oh, but if you're

1075
00:54:47,040 --> 00:54:50,720
Speaker 2: living a life of debauchery, you're not going to recognize

1076
00:54:50,760 --> 00:54:52,560
Speaker 2: evil for evil, you're going to kind of have some

1077
00:54:52,640 --> 00:54:54,719
Speaker 2: kind of an affinity with it, like you're going to

1078
00:54:54,760 --> 00:54:56,840
Speaker 2: recognize it as like, oh, like birds of a feather.

1079
00:54:57,120 --> 00:54:59,880
Speaker 2: It's cool. Yeah, like, oh, I get it feels normal. However,

1080
00:55:00,480 --> 00:55:03,200
Speaker 2: having said that, I've been in psych wards where the

1081
00:55:03,200 --> 00:55:08,120
Speaker 2: demons are everywhere and there's a hierarchy of who has

1082
00:55:08,160 --> 00:55:11,160
Speaker 2: the worst demon, And I never forget the first time

1083
00:55:11,200 --> 00:55:12,880
Speaker 2: I noticed this. I was working with this woman she

1084
00:55:13,000 --> 00:55:18,920
Speaker 2: definitely had possession problems, and another person walked in the

1085
00:55:19,000 --> 00:55:25,000
Speaker 2: room and all of the other patients kind of scattered away. Wow,

1086
00:55:25,080 --> 00:55:27,319
Speaker 2: And I was like, what's going on with that? And

1087
00:55:28,360 --> 00:55:33,600
Speaker 2: her demon said, that's the top demon in the room,

1088
00:55:33,760 --> 00:55:37,560
Speaker 2: the marquis. We don't go near that person. It's very

1089
00:55:37,640 --> 00:55:38,280
Speaker 2: very interesting.

1090
00:55:38,600 --> 00:55:42,160
Speaker 1: So you believe that there is a living hierarchy of demons,

1091
00:55:42,200 --> 00:55:47,360
Speaker 1: none choirs both this classic Catholic teaching that everybody forgets

1092
00:55:47,400 --> 00:55:50,080
Speaker 1: and doesn't talk about. What's the role of a guardian angel.

1093
00:55:50,560 --> 00:55:52,880
Speaker 1: I mean, we hear this and see those paintings as children,

1094
00:55:53,000 --> 00:55:55,439
Speaker 1: a little guardian angel on the bridge, and then people

1095
00:55:55,480 --> 00:55:56,640
Speaker 1: are not a guardian angel.

1096
00:55:57,200 --> 00:55:59,879
Speaker 2: Well, ultimately the role is to get their person to heaven.

1097
00:56:00,200 --> 00:56:04,399
Speaker 2: That's like the big picture of great But they can

1098
00:56:04,480 --> 00:56:07,319
Speaker 2: intercede in our lives daily. But you know, again, it

1099
00:56:07,320 --> 00:56:09,520
Speaker 2: would be good to acknowledge them, to thank them, to

1100
00:56:10,000 --> 00:56:13,239
Speaker 2: you know, let them know you're aware of their presence, and.

1101
00:56:13,239 --> 00:56:15,320
Speaker 1: Pray for their intercession as you would ask the prayers

1102
00:56:15,320 --> 00:56:15,920
Speaker 1: of somebody else.

1103
00:56:15,920 --> 00:56:19,440
Speaker 2: Of course. Yeah, and I've even had situations. My mother's

1104
00:56:19,560 --> 00:56:23,719
Speaker 2: very devout, and she when she growing up, I was

1105
00:56:24,160 --> 00:56:27,640
Speaker 2: a problem child, and when I was out late, she

1106
00:56:27,680 --> 00:56:30,200
Speaker 2: would send to go to her grown ange, can you

1107
00:56:30,239 --> 00:56:34,080
Speaker 2: go get backup support and go find him? She'd send

1108
00:56:34,120 --> 00:56:38,160
Speaker 2: them out, And I suddenly appeared say that, but I

1109
00:56:38,239 --> 00:56:40,399
Speaker 2: believe that all you know. I was in majorgory once

1110
00:56:40,440 --> 00:56:43,000
Speaker 2: and these two women said, we're going to visit this

1111
00:56:43,000 --> 00:56:47,319
Speaker 2: priest in Italy. But he's very sick. I wish there

1112
00:56:47,360 --> 00:56:48,839
Speaker 2: was a way we could let him know we're coming.

1113
00:56:49,120 --> 00:56:50,680
Speaker 2: And so one of the ladies is the other one, well,

1114
00:56:50,719 --> 00:56:54,440
Speaker 2: let's send her angels ahead, huh. And I'm just listening

1115
00:56:54,440 --> 00:56:56,719
Speaker 2: to this, and then you know what, they left and

1116
00:56:56,760 --> 00:56:59,480
Speaker 2: went to Italy. They arrived like the next They drove

1117
00:56:59,520 --> 00:57:01,920
Speaker 2: through the night, and they pull up at like sunrise

1118
00:57:01,920 --> 00:57:04,439
Speaker 2: at six thirty in the morning, and he's out at

1119
00:57:04,440 --> 00:57:07,560
Speaker 2: the gate in his wheelchair waiting, and they go what

1120
00:57:07,640 --> 00:57:09,160
Speaker 2: are you doing out here? And he goes, well, your

1121
00:57:09,200 --> 00:57:14,080
Speaker 2: angels told me you were coming. Wow, I know that's

1122
00:57:14,120 --> 00:57:16,880
Speaker 2: like that's faith. Yeah, I don't think I would do that.

1123
00:57:17,120 --> 00:57:19,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, No, you've got to be really listening to hear

1124
00:57:19,360 --> 00:57:23,080
Speaker 1: that angel talk to your father. What there's this debate

1125
00:57:23,360 --> 00:57:26,480
Speaker 1: I've read. Look, we hear about this a lot, certainly

1126
00:57:26,480 --> 00:57:30,480
Speaker 1: in a place like New Orleans and any old city hauntings.

1127
00:57:30,520 --> 00:57:34,160
Speaker 1: The house is haunted, there's a spirit caught in the house.

1128
00:57:35,120 --> 00:57:38,919
Speaker 1: There's this theory of a wandering soul that God has

1129
00:57:38,960 --> 00:57:42,360
Speaker 1: permitted this person in purgatory to come and seek the

1130
00:57:42,360 --> 00:57:46,680
Speaker 1: prayers of the living for release, to find heaven. Do

1131
00:57:46,760 --> 00:57:47,880
Speaker 1: you subscribe to that?

1132
00:57:48,440 --> 00:57:52,919
Speaker 2: What is that? What are these hauntings? Unless it's Kane,

1133
00:57:53,120 --> 00:57:59,240
Speaker 2: I don't know. But so this culture, you know, the vocabulary,

1134
00:57:59,280 --> 00:58:00,560
Speaker 2: you have to define it. So the lot of people

1135
00:58:00,600 --> 00:58:02,760
Speaker 2: talk about ghosts. Yeah, I go, well, what do you

1136
00:58:02,760 --> 00:58:04,880
Speaker 2: mean by ghosts? Ghosts can be two things. It could

1137
00:58:04,880 --> 00:58:08,919
Speaker 2: be the soul of someone in purgatory who's been given

1138
00:58:08,960 --> 00:58:11,120
Speaker 2: permission to come back and ask for prayers, or it

1139
00:58:11,120 --> 00:58:14,320
Speaker 2: can be a demon that's harassing somebody. Both can be

1140
00:58:14,360 --> 00:58:18,440
Speaker 2: in your house. So if they tell me that the

1141
00:58:18,480 --> 00:58:21,280
Speaker 2: thing doesn't frighten them, but it's it's just jarring to

1142
00:58:21,320 --> 00:58:24,680
Speaker 2: see something in your house. But it does. It looks

1143
00:58:24,720 --> 00:58:27,680
Speaker 2: like a person, and it doesn't look like evil. It's

1144
00:58:27,680 --> 00:58:30,560
Speaker 2: just a person. Well, that's more than likely that's a

1145
00:58:30,640 --> 00:58:33,680
Speaker 2: purgatory soul. So I'll have mass said and then if

1146
00:58:33,680 --> 00:58:35,600
Speaker 2: it stops, then we know that's what it was, and

1147
00:58:35,680 --> 00:58:38,120
Speaker 2: you do the mass of the house. No, I'll have

1148
00:58:38,160 --> 00:58:41,240
Speaker 2: the next mass back of the church that's opened for that,

1149
00:58:41,560 --> 00:58:44,720
Speaker 2: or I'll do a private mass for that intention. If

1150
00:58:44,760 --> 00:58:47,720
Speaker 2: it doesn't leave, then I'll say, okay, well maybe it

1151
00:58:47,720 --> 00:58:49,520
Speaker 2: needs more than one mass, but maybe it isn't. And

1152
00:58:49,560 --> 00:58:53,520
Speaker 2: then I'll just start doing a basic deliverance prayers and

1153
00:58:53,560 --> 00:58:57,880
Speaker 2: if if i'm anything starts manifesting, then we know that's

1154
00:58:57,960 --> 00:59:00,400
Speaker 2: kind of the direction to go. And this I mean,

1155
00:59:00,440 --> 00:59:02,320
Speaker 2: I don't want to give my whole playbook out because

1156
00:59:02,400 --> 00:59:05,480
Speaker 2: I still have ways to determine when somebody comes in

1157
00:59:05,520 --> 00:59:08,400
Speaker 2: to meet me if this is real or not, because

1158
00:59:08,440 --> 00:59:10,320
Speaker 2: sometimes they don't even know. They could have a mental

1159
00:59:10,360 --> 00:59:13,160
Speaker 2: illness that they think it's a demon. But generally speaking,

1160
00:59:13,240 --> 00:59:18,160
Speaker 2: people who see demons in the room. Are it's more

1161
00:59:18,240 --> 00:59:21,400
Speaker 2: likely mental illness people who say the demons in me

1162
00:59:22,280 --> 00:59:24,840
Speaker 2: more likely that real possession exercise.

1163
00:59:25,760 --> 00:59:30,000
Speaker 1: What can people do to protect themselves from the your

1164
00:59:30,040 --> 00:59:34,000
Speaker 1: Catholic participate fully in the sacramental life of the church,

1165
00:59:34,800 --> 00:59:36,760
Speaker 1: have a relationship with Jesus where you're talking to him

1166
00:59:36,760 --> 00:59:39,000
Speaker 1: every day and you're spending time in prayer every single day.

1167
00:59:39,040 --> 00:59:43,960
Speaker 2: The relationship is everything. The Rosary our lady promises to

1168
00:59:44,000 --> 00:59:46,760
Speaker 2: protect the families that pray the Rosary. Not that it's

1169
00:59:46,760 --> 00:59:48,400
Speaker 2: going to mean you're never going to have a cross

1170
00:59:48,400 --> 00:59:50,520
Speaker 2: in your life, but at least your soul will be

1171
00:59:50,560 --> 00:59:55,280
Speaker 2: guarded in a particular way. We just canonized Bartolo Alongo.

1172
00:59:56,560 --> 00:59:58,720
Speaker 2: You know what he got his meeting in life is

1173
00:59:58,720 --> 01:00:00,800
Speaker 2: when he started propagating the Rosary because he heard the

1174
01:00:00,800 --> 01:00:03,160
Speaker 2: promises of those who propagate my rosary, I will protect

1175
01:00:03,200 --> 01:00:06,760
Speaker 2: and get you to heaven. And so a Satanist is

1176
01:00:06,800 --> 01:00:09,680
Speaker 2: a canon nice saint. It's crazy.

1177
01:00:09,880 --> 01:00:12,919
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a guy who converted. He had a major convert. Yes,

1178
01:00:12,960 --> 01:00:15,080
Speaker 1: he didn't go to heaven ash yeah yeah, no, he

1179
01:00:15,080 --> 01:00:17,720
Speaker 1: had a major conversion and now and was just recently

1180
01:00:17,760 --> 01:00:20,160
Speaker 1: declared the saint. It's an incredible story. What else can

1181
01:00:20,200 --> 01:00:22,520
Speaker 1: people do? Stay away from the Ouiji.

1182
01:00:22,240 --> 01:00:26,959
Speaker 2: Boards and Ytic and Catholic. That means you're practicing only

1183
01:00:27,160 --> 01:00:30,960
Speaker 2: your faith, you're not com mingling it with you know,

1184
01:00:31,160 --> 01:00:33,600
Speaker 2: voodoo and all these other cultural things, which is a

1185
01:00:33,640 --> 01:00:37,439
Speaker 2: problem African countries and Spanish countries. They all want to,

1186
01:00:38,320 --> 01:00:41,160
Speaker 2: you know, syncretize the two, and it doesn't work. I

1187
01:00:41,320 --> 01:00:43,320
Speaker 2: I'll never forget I went into somebody's house and said

1188
01:00:43,320 --> 01:00:46,840
Speaker 2: they had there was these demons in their house, and

1189
01:00:46,880 --> 01:00:48,560
Speaker 2: I go, how do you know? They give me all

1190
01:00:48,600 --> 01:00:51,640
Speaker 2: these descriptions of like the smells and the one room

1191
01:00:51,720 --> 01:00:55,240
Speaker 2: is always four degrees cooler, and okay, fine. So I

1192
01:00:55,320 --> 01:00:58,520
Speaker 2: go to the house and there's this one room. They're like, oh,

1193
01:00:58,560 --> 01:01:01,040
Speaker 2: you can't go in there. I go, why not, Well,

1194
01:01:01,880 --> 01:01:04,520
Speaker 2: that's my mother's When we don't go in there, she said, well, no,

1195
01:01:04,640 --> 01:01:06,439
Speaker 2: let's go in her room. And I go, who owns

1196
01:01:06,440 --> 01:01:09,520
Speaker 2: the house? I do, well, then we're going in. Knock

1197
01:01:09,560 --> 01:01:11,400
Speaker 2: on the door, I mean in case she's not dressed,

1198
01:01:11,480 --> 01:01:14,520
Speaker 2: but we're going in. She's got a whole altar setup

1199
01:01:14,560 --> 01:01:19,000
Speaker 2: where she's got food sacrifices. I say, well, here's your problem.

1200
01:01:20,880 --> 01:01:23,040
Speaker 2: Has to go and She's like, oh my, I don't know,

1201
01:01:23,080 --> 01:01:24,680
Speaker 2: she's going to let us I go. Well, then she

1202
01:01:24,760 --> 01:01:27,600
Speaker 2: has to go. It's one or the other. Wow. So

1203
01:01:27,600 --> 01:01:29,480
Speaker 2: they threw all the crap out, We threw all the

1204
01:01:29,560 --> 01:01:33,280
Speaker 2: water and dispose of it and problem gone. It's not amazing.

1205
01:01:33,480 --> 01:01:36,840
Speaker 1: What do you make of this K Pop Demon Hunter's thing?

1206
01:01:36,920 --> 01:01:40,160
Speaker 1: This is the biggest film. Kids are watching this, and

1207
01:01:40,200 --> 01:01:43,840
Speaker 1: the upshot is these kids, if I'm understanding it properly,

1208
01:01:43,880 --> 01:01:47,520
Speaker 1: and I've only seen minutes of it, these kids hunt

1209
01:01:47,520 --> 01:01:49,800
Speaker 1: the demons down, but then they kind of befriend them

1210
01:01:49,840 --> 01:01:50,880
Speaker 1: and redeem them.

1211
01:01:51,160 --> 01:01:55,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, well that's ridiculous. One, it gives the false notion

1212
01:01:55,400 --> 01:02:00,640
Speaker 2: that you can have authority over these things at home,

1213
01:02:00,680 --> 01:02:03,200
Speaker 2: like you're going to go yeah, And then the bigger

1214
01:02:03,360 --> 01:02:06,200
Speaker 2: problem is thinking you can turn a demon into something good.

1215
01:02:06,840 --> 01:02:09,880
Speaker 2: They're not redeemable. They had one shot and they blew

1216
01:02:09,920 --> 01:02:12,320
Speaker 2: it and that's it for them, and they're going to

1217
01:02:12,400 --> 01:02:16,040
Speaker 2: pretend I'm going to be your friend. And for a

1218
01:02:16,080 --> 01:02:18,360
Speaker 2: little kid. This is like, if you're a parent and

1219
01:02:18,400 --> 01:02:21,120
Speaker 2: you're allowing this to happen in your child, you are

1220
01:02:21,160 --> 01:02:23,960
Speaker 2: setting them up for a future full of pain. And

1221
01:02:24,000 --> 01:02:27,880
Speaker 2: that's I mean, why would you do that, and then

1222
01:02:27,920 --> 01:02:29,400
Speaker 2: I have parents like, oh, I want them to make

1223
01:02:29,400 --> 01:02:32,080
Speaker 2: their own decision on getting baptized. Do you know they're

1224
01:02:32,120 --> 01:02:35,560
Speaker 2: owned by the devil till they're baptized. This is about dominion,

1225
01:02:36,280 --> 01:02:40,200
Speaker 2: and when Adam gave up dominion, it was too lucifer

1226
01:02:40,240 --> 01:02:43,320
Speaker 2: in that moment, and he has dominion over this world

1227
01:02:43,640 --> 01:02:47,520
Speaker 2: until Jesus crushes him completely. So as we're born into

1228
01:02:47,560 --> 01:02:51,040
Speaker 2: the world with original sin, they're owned by him. That's

1229
01:02:51,480 --> 01:02:53,640
Speaker 2: of course we want to baptized right away. We used

1230
01:02:53,640 --> 01:02:56,080
Speaker 2: to do it. I was born on August fourth, I

1231
01:02:56,120 --> 01:02:58,680
Speaker 2: was baptist on August twenty ninth. It was like week

1232
01:02:58,680 --> 01:02:59,400
Speaker 2: two weeks. Boom.

1233
01:03:00,720 --> 01:03:02,520
Speaker 1: There's this chug of war now and I see it

1234
01:03:02,560 --> 01:03:08,320
Speaker 1: all over the social media. Catholics should revisit infant baptism.

1235
01:03:08,840 --> 01:03:09,960
Speaker 2: We need to relook at that.

1236
01:03:10,160 --> 01:03:11,800
Speaker 1: Let them make their own decision, and we should do

1237
01:03:11,840 --> 01:03:13,760
Speaker 1: it later like the Protestant churches too.

1238
01:03:14,520 --> 01:03:19,920
Speaker 2: No hard no, I mean, if this is the greatest

1239
01:03:19,960 --> 01:03:21,560
Speaker 2: gift you can give your child, why would you delay

1240
01:03:21,560 --> 01:03:24,920
Speaker 2: it eighteen years? Yeah. And by the way, I'm a

1241
01:03:24,960 --> 01:03:27,680
Speaker 2: big fan of lowering the confirmation age. I accidentally did

1242
01:03:27,680 --> 01:03:29,960
Speaker 2: that in my parish, not knowing that it's the bishop's role.

1243
01:03:30,320 --> 01:03:32,280
Speaker 2: And he comes out to do the confirmation. He's like,

1244
01:03:32,320 --> 01:03:34,480
Speaker 2: where do all these kids come from? I lowered the

1245
01:03:34,520 --> 01:03:36,840
Speaker 2: age to sixth grade. He goes, you can't do that,

1246
01:03:36,840 --> 01:03:39,560
Speaker 2: that's my job. I go, oh, I'm sorry. I didn't.

1247
01:03:39,600 --> 01:03:40,920
Speaker 2: I thought I was the pastor I could do it.

1248
01:03:40,960 --> 01:03:43,760
Speaker 2: You know, they get their phones in sixth grade. They

1249
01:03:43,800 --> 01:03:47,320
Speaker 2: need more grace. So he promised that he would take

1250
01:03:47,360 --> 01:03:50,200
Speaker 2: it to the council and maybe the diocese would lower it.

1251
01:03:50,240 --> 01:03:53,800
Speaker 2: But it hasn't happened yet. But no, you want them

1252
01:03:53,920 --> 01:03:55,560
Speaker 2: to be protected right away.

1253
01:03:55,800 --> 01:03:58,040
Speaker 1: They are all these animated shows. I spend a lot

1254
01:03:58,040 --> 01:04:01,040
Speaker 1: of time clicking through media, spend time watching it. I

1255
01:04:01,080 --> 01:04:03,439
Speaker 1: don't have the time, but when things pop up, I'll

1256
01:04:03,440 --> 01:04:05,040
Speaker 1: go look at it. I'll watch a few minutes of it,

1257
01:04:05,160 --> 01:04:06,680
Speaker 1: or try and read about it, try to put it

1258
01:04:06,680 --> 01:04:07,240
Speaker 1: in context.

1259
01:04:07,680 --> 01:04:09,640
Speaker 2: If you look closely. Father, there are.

1260
01:04:09,520 --> 01:04:15,000
Speaker 1: A string of on these streaming platforms animated I'll just

1261
01:04:15,040 --> 01:04:19,480
Speaker 1: say what it is. They're Satan centric characters that are

1262
01:04:19,560 --> 01:04:23,840
Speaker 1: either hilarious buddies that happen to be the son of

1263
01:04:23,880 --> 01:04:29,080
Speaker 1: Satan or demons running around as pals. A hotel with

1264
01:04:29,240 --> 01:04:35,080
Speaker 1: demons and it's animated, so I know it's intended. I imagine

1265
01:04:34,960 --> 01:04:37,920
Speaker 1: it's intended for adults, but the gateway is clearly wide

1266
01:04:37,960 --> 01:04:38,600
Speaker 1: for a child.

1267
01:04:38,640 --> 01:04:42,480
Speaker 2: Sure, what do you think is happening here? It's just

1268
01:04:42,560 --> 01:04:45,480
Speaker 2: more infiltration. That we're living in a time that's I

1269
01:04:45,520 --> 01:04:48,000
Speaker 2: would say unprecedented, and that the devil is taking off

1270
01:04:48,040 --> 01:04:50,000
Speaker 2: his mask. He doesn't care if we know he's here.

1271
01:04:51,160 --> 01:04:54,040
Speaker 2: He used to be very hidden. His biggest his biggest

1272
01:04:54,080 --> 01:04:56,560
Speaker 2: scam is making people think he didn't exist, and now

1273
01:04:56,600 --> 01:04:59,600
Speaker 2: he doesn't care. It should tell you something. What is it?

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Speaker 2: I think I think he knows he's getting close to

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Speaker 2: the end of his ring, and it's like a caged

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Speaker 2: animal that is rabbit. They're just going to throw everything

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Speaker 2: at you they can until that day comes. So we

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Speaker 2: have to be more vigilant instead of less. More the

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Speaker 2: days we live in it's all the people that are

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Speaker 2: scrolling endlessly, like go for a walk and pray a rosary. Truly,

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Speaker 2: just go back to a simple way of life and

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Speaker 2: stop all the phones. The phone is you know, the

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Speaker 2: Apple icon, but to bite out of it, I mean,

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Speaker 2: it's was that just accidental? I don't think so. It's

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Speaker 2: so contrives. It's right it's in our face missing it.

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Speaker 1: Eve's second bite. There it is while the second bite

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Speaker 1: of the apple, and we all take it. I want

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Speaker 1: to I want you to end with this. What are

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Speaker 1: you seeing in your in the cases you're encountering now?

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Speaker 1: What are you hearing from fellow exorcists, Because I've always

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Speaker 1: thought you all are more clued in in some ways

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Speaker 1: and plugged in to what is actually happening spiritually on

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Speaker 1: the other side.

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Speaker 2: Then they're getting longer to get rid of.

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Speaker 1: Which means they're more determined to hold on.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if you could say they have more power,

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Speaker 2: but perhaps the church has less power. You mean the

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Speaker 2: churches were seated. The church is strongest when she's her

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Speaker 2: focus is on the mission of Christ, which was go

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Speaker 2: out and make disciples of the nations. That was the mandate.

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Speaker 2: So I think personally this is an opinion, So do

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Speaker 2: not scream and yell and send me your texts. When

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Speaker 2: the Church is her strongest is when the exisms go

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Speaker 2: the easiest, because even though I'm under the authority of

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Speaker 2: my bishop, the full power is coming from the capital

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Speaker 2: ce Church that Jesus mandated to do these things. So

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Speaker 2: when we start getting well, first of all shutting, taking

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Speaker 2: away the set. When the church took away the sacraments,

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Speaker 2: oh my god, what a win for the devil. When

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Speaker 2: the church is all involved in the environment and not

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Speaker 2: really focused on the main mission, it's in a sense

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Speaker 2: you could say it's a weakening of the mission. It's

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Speaker 2: a distraction. And I the other excuses I've talked to

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Speaker 2: about this kind of said the same thing. You can

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Speaker 2: see it cyclically. When the church goes strong and is

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Speaker 2: really focused, even in local church, then it's the exystems

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Speaker 2: go easier. But right now it's taking longer and longer.

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Speaker 2: Father Ripager just said he's got cases now going up

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Speaker 2: to four years.

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Speaker 1: What. Yeah, people think this is a whambam. You read

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Speaker 1: the thing and it's over and you do.

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Speaker 2: The right wing. Somebody says, can I fly in? Well,

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Speaker 2: first of all, no, because I have a mandate for

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Speaker 2: the subjects of Nashville. And yes, you could come here

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Speaker 2: and I can help you because you're on my turf.

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Speaker 2: But it's taking away from what I'm supposed to be doing. Right,

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Speaker 2: and it's not going to be a one and done.

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Speaker 2: It's not like you're going to fly in and get

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Speaker 2: healed and fly out and.

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Speaker 1: The devil Brve's authority even when the world doesn't.

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Speaker 2: He's very observant. How do you know that, Well, the

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Speaker 2: divine providence always stands. He has to go by the rules.

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Speaker 2: They're like lawyers. They are so meticulous about following the rules.

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Speaker 2: The demons, yes, huh. And they know when we are

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Speaker 2: not following the rules and call it out or Greek havoc.

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Speaker 2: You know, they can just turn everything upside down because

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Speaker 2: you really shouldn't be doing that. I had the Exodus

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Speaker 2: of Omaha. He was driving home from a mission and

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Speaker 2: he was not in our diocese. He was outside the diocese,

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Speaker 2: and he saw a psychic on a house thing and

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Speaker 2: he basically bound and cast that out. But he didn't

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Speaker 2: ever start to do that because it wasn't his diocese.

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Speaker 2: And by the time he rolled up into where we

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Speaker 2: live on our campus, he was covered in boils.

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Speaker 1: What because he was doing something outside of his.

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Speaker 2: Years, he didn't have permission to do that. He could

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Speaker 2: have asked the Lord would be okay for me to

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Speaker 2: do this? If the Lord says do it, do it.

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Speaker 2: But you don't. Just it's not like you it's a

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Speaker 2: wild West. You're just running around shooting guns. At everything,

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Speaker 2: hoping it works.

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Speaker 1: Interesting, Okay, I ask everybody some questions.

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Speaker 2: I want to end with this. The best piece of

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Speaker 2: advice you ever got was what pray every day? Holy hour?

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Speaker 1: M Who's the person you most admire in the whole world?

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Speaker 1: In the whole world Jesus, of course, living, living, living well.

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Speaker 1: Jesus is a living Yes, yeah among us, right.

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Speaker 2: Walking among us.

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Speaker 1: Yea.

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Speaker 2: There's a priest up in Boston who basically was my

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Speaker 2: mentor for the first year. I came back and he's

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Speaker 2: still alive. I saw him this weekend by the Tom

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Speaker 2: de Lorenzo.

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Speaker 1: Huh, why is he here? Most admired person. He's the

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Speaker 1: holiest person I've ever met. He lives the Gospel in

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Speaker 1: a profound way. And he he's so understated. He doesn't

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Speaker 1: want attention.

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Speaker 2: He doesn't. He just does this thing. He shut up

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Speaker 2: at this conference, so with Boston Marine conference, maybe six

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Speaker 2: seven hundred people, and I said, can you come over

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Speaker 2: because he was in Quinsy. He lives in Quincy at

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Speaker 2: a rectory. So he's in a wheelchair now. So he's like,

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Speaker 2: I'll try to get someone to take me. He comes in.

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Speaker 2: Mind you this a dozen priests running around all, you know,

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Speaker 2: speakers and whatnot, and they pop him in the corner

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01:10:28,600 --> 01:10:30,880
Speaker 2: in his wheelchair, and by the end of the first

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Speaker 2: talk that he was there for, there's a line of

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Speaker 2: one hundred people waiting to be prayed with by him.

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Speaker 2: Wherever he goes, this happens because people, it's that thing

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Speaker 2: where you know, this is a holy man. Maybe if

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Speaker 2: he prays with me something will change. So love him.

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Speaker 1: What do you know that no one else knows? Nothing

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01:10:51,640 --> 01:10:56,120
Speaker 1: that few people know. I would say the degree that

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Speaker 1: I'm loved by God. And when you finally get to

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Speaker 1: that point where it's up and I just cry thinking

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01:11:03,560 --> 01:11:04,559
Speaker 1: about it, It's just.

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Speaker 2: Wow. There's nothing else you can say. You're like the

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Speaker 2: one who made all this, yeah, and then died for me,

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Speaker 2: still wants to have a relationship with me every day. Wow.

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Speaker 1: Mother A jelicused to always say that the one message

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Speaker 1: we have to tell everybody is God loves us. You

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Speaker 1: don't know how loved you are. And I didn't fully

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Speaker 1: appreciate that, Yeah until now.

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Speaker 2: Did you miss her? Oh? Yeah, every day? Yeah all

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01:11:32,400 --> 01:11:37,040
Speaker 2: the time I heard it too, Yeah she yeah, she

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Speaker 2: was profound. There was an episode once I'll never forget it.

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Speaker 2: It was on. It was showing like her classics. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 2: classic episodes. And this caller calls in. It's a woman.

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Speaker 2: She's like, mother, you know my husband he's having an

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Speaker 2: affair and that's just killing me. And she's like, oh,

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Speaker 2: that's so horrible, honey. She goes, well, that's not the

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Speaker 2: worst part. He moved her into our home. And she goes,

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01:11:58,400 --> 01:12:03,679
Speaker 2: what are you thinking? Tell them she had she needs

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01:12:03,720 --> 01:12:06,160
Speaker 2: to go and she goes, well, where would she go? Well,

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01:12:06,320 --> 01:12:08,920
Speaker 2: maybe she should go back to Hell where she came from.

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Speaker 2: I don't know.

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Speaker 3: But her practical like boom, she was unbelievable, no holds

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01:12:15,160 --> 01:12:17,719
Speaker 3: barred when she saw. Once she got over the target,

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Speaker 3: get out of the way. That was mother, she saw.

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Speaker 3: But she had such a heart for people. Father, she

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01:12:22,560 --> 01:12:24,960
Speaker 3: she she wanted to meet them in their need. She

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Speaker 3: wanted to meet them in their pain, which she did.

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Speaker 3: And it was it's such a hole in the church today.

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Speaker 3: I see that in the You know, she was so

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Speaker 3: she had She was a deep contemplative who had her

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Speaker 3: own pain in her life. But she she deeply empathized

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Speaker 3: with people and had spiritual solutions for them. Anne wanted

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Speaker 3: it to be a spiritual growth network not a catechetical network,

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01:12:47,960 --> 01:12:51,320
Speaker 3: not a news channel, a spiritual growth network.

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Speaker 1: Very interesting. If you couldn't do this, what would you.

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Speaker 2: Be doing a priest?

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Speaker 1: You mean a priest in the deliverance ministry.

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Speaker 2: Now, I'm not really qualified to do much. I mean

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Speaker 2: I was good with numbers, but I don't want to

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01:13:07,720 --> 01:13:12,080
Speaker 2: I would never go back to money. Uh it's a incestuous,

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Speaker 2: horrible lifestyle. That whole high end banking. Wow. Well, and

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Speaker 2: there's a lot of uh, demonic in that as well. Really,

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Speaker 2: where you find big money, you're going to find demons

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Speaker 2: for sure.

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Speaker 1: Well, I'm glad you found this path. You're needed here.

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Speaker 1: Happy for the time here, I love it. Here you

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Speaker 1: can see it. Thank you, my friend, thank you, what

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Speaker 1: a joy? Thank you, thank you. Okay, here's the whole.

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Speaker 1: Fathery Hill said something there about exorcisms that they're taking

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Speaker 1: longer months, sometimes years, where they once took a few sessions,

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Speaker 1: not because the devil has grown stronger, but because, in

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Speaker 1: his words, perhaps the church has less power when the

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Speaker 1: sacraments are diminished, when the mission gets diluted, when the

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01:13:56,680 --> 01:14:01,559
Speaker 1: faithful drift from adoration and prayer and confession, the church

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01:14:01,720 --> 01:14:05,600
Speaker 1: weakens and the enemy holds on. But the inverse is

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01:14:05,640 --> 01:14:11,160
Speaker 1: equally true. When the church is strong sacramentally and immersed

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01:14:11,160 --> 01:14:14,240
Speaker 1: in daily prayer, the enemy loses his grip on you,

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01:14:14,240 --> 01:14:15,280
Speaker 1: your family, your home.

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01:14:15,760 --> 01:14:18,479
Speaker 2: You may never need an exorcist, but you need what.

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01:14:18,479 --> 01:14:24,160
Speaker 1: Sustains them, prayer and confession and devotions, maybe a holy hour.

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01:14:24,640 --> 01:14:27,840
Speaker 2: The armor is available. I hope we all put it on.

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Speaker 1: I hope you'll come back to a royal Grande soon.

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01:14:31,520 --> 01:14:34,200
Speaker 1: Why settle for a dry, constricted life when if you

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01:14:34,240 --> 01:14:37,400
Speaker 1: fill it with wisdom and knowledge, it can flow into

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Speaker 1: a broad.

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Speaker 2: Thriving a royal Grande.

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Speaker 1: I'm Raymond Arroyo. Make sure you subscribe to the show

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Speaker 1: like this episode. Thanks for diving in.

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