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Speaker 4: Put it on. We got tray my boy, Trey Moore,
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Speaker 8: Here to help facilitate the conversation. All right, guys, combined
Speaker 8: time is here and I have I've never been I
Speaker 8: love it. First off, its cold, trying to be cold.
Speaker 8: And I've just never worked for a stage with the
Speaker 8: resources where they say, hey, we want to go to that.
Speaker 8: So this is just it's just not my thing. But
Speaker 8: is the combine, in your opinion, useful.
Speaker 9: If you're talking about for the guys, that are in
Speaker 9: my opinion, at least if you're talking about the guys
Speaker 9: that are first round, top ten type picks, you know
Speaker 9: the only reason they would go up there is basically
Speaker 9: to do interviews, in my opinion, talk to the coaches,
Speaker 9: Let the coaches pick their brains. See type of personality
Speaker 9: these guys can bring. Are they a franchise type guy?
Speaker 4: But the drills for those type of guys.
Speaker 5: I don't know.
Speaker 9: It's I don't think they're going to hurt or gain
Speaker 9: any drafts. Talk about doing that now we're talking about
Speaker 9: and my incense where I was an undrafted guy or
Speaker 9: those you know, third day guys, four.
Speaker 5: Or fifth round type of guys.
Speaker 9: It's big for them in my opinion, because you can
Speaker 9: go out there and even though a forty yard dash
Speaker 9: is not what you see in the NFL each and
Speaker 9: every down, like you got ten yard bursts here and there,
Speaker 9: nobody's really just running though straight line forty when you're
Speaker 9: playing in the National Football If you go out there
Speaker 9: and impress the scouts with those crazy numbers, workout warrior
Speaker 9: type numbers because everybody looks good and shorts, then you
Speaker 9: can improve your draft talk. So for guys that were
Speaker 9: like my incense, undrafted type guys, like I said before
Speaker 9: fourth round through later, I think the combat can be
Speaker 9: huge for them. But for guys that are bona fide
Speaker 9: first picks, you're just going up there to interview and
Speaker 9: basically chop it up with the coaches.
Speaker 6: In my opinion, it definitely is.
Speaker 10: I mean for me, I was one of those guys
Speaker 10: that got invited to the combine and unfortunately, you know,
Speaker 10: I went from being projected number one, number two overall
Speaker 10: picked to going into the third round.
Speaker 6: I say that to say that I got to.
Speaker 10: See the hype of everything going into going into their
Speaker 10: having interview and day in and day out to meet
Speaker 10: with all thirty two teams that you have there, and
Speaker 10: so it's for me it's not as pivotal as what
Speaker 10: it wants used to be, where guys everybody competed and
Speaker 10: stuff like that. We are in the new day and age,
Speaker 10: or where you said, if you're a bona fide first
Speaker 10: round pick, if anything, you're going out there hurting yourself
Speaker 10: like if I knew what I knew now, Like my
Speaker 10: I feel like my.
Speaker 6: Class was the class that set the stone.
Speaker 10: Jarvis Jones was the first guy to say Hey, go
Speaker 10: check the film like it's already the proof is in
Speaker 10: the plitting. And you had guys like me there was like, Hey,
Speaker 10: if I knew I wouldn't gonna test well like that,
Speaker 10: I should have said, hey, rely on my film because
Speaker 10: my numbers were the best one by far as the DN.
Speaker 10: So for it to be that day and age, now, yeah,
Speaker 10: why go out there and hurt your money, your stocks?
Speaker 10: And like you said, when you go out there it's cold.
Speaker 10: You're doing all this for guys that have played in
Speaker 10: warm weather climbing their whole career and don't know the
Speaker 10: nuances of warming up properly, being younger, stuff like that.
Speaker 10: You risk tearing a hamstring doing all that stuff, so
Speaker 10: it doesn't build money. But like you said, for the
Speaker 10: guys that are the laiter round draft pick, this is
Speaker 10: definitely going to build some money because you don't do
Speaker 10: a forty yard pick.
Speaker 4: Can you build more on that? For the listening audience
Speaker 4: about how you feel, like, hey, I was here, I
Speaker 4: left there.
Speaker 6: Yeah, So for me at the time, I was hurt.
Speaker 10: I was a hurt puppy, But like now, going back,
Speaker 10: I realized where I made my mistakes. Like, am I
Speaker 10: mad about getting hurt there. And when I say getting
Speaker 10: hurt is this is pretty much the first wake up
Speaker 10: call for all these guys that are going out there
Speaker 10: to understand that you have meetings, you have to be
Speaker 10: on time, you have to be accountable. It's no longer
Speaker 10: somebody knocking on there, that class checker saying, hey, check
Speaker 10: in right now and do this.
Speaker 6: You have to show up early. And then on top
Speaker 6: of that, you have to.
Speaker 10: Know your body and know that, hey, I have to
Speaker 10: properly hydrate, and the fact that this is a cold
Speaker 10: weather climate. I'm going to have to go out there
Speaker 10: maybe thirty minutes early, just to warm up to like
Speaker 10: for to be a powerful explosive guy, and just for
Speaker 10: you to be quick twitching go like that pemum brittle.
Speaker 10: Don't just stretch it. It cracks right there if you
Speaker 10: do it with too much for some velocity. For guys
Speaker 10: meet like me now, knowing what I know now, I
Speaker 10: wasn't properly prepared. I didn't have those nuances. I didn't
Speaker 10: have the mental maturity to learn those things. And so
Speaker 10: going in that time, you don't think about it like that.
Speaker 10: All you think about is like, how good did I
Speaker 10: do on those interviews? And if you if you tank it,
Speaker 10: if you hear that your draft stock is dropping, if
Speaker 10: you don't have the mental fortitude or a great circle
Speaker 10: around you, you can't bounce back from that.
Speaker 6: And we see guys that slip all.
Speaker 10: The way to the draft where you're like, hey, this
Speaker 10: was supposed to be a second round pick.
Speaker 6: Where do you go from there?
Speaker 8: Let me add just one more or last thing on it.
Speaker 8: Where does the agent play in this process? When you
Speaker 8: talked about nobody knocked on the door, nobody told you
Speaker 8: to get warm, where does the agency and the group
Speaker 8: of people you're working with play, Especially since you talk
Speaker 8: about here, I went in here looking like I'm going
Speaker 8: to be a first or second round draft pick.
Speaker 5: That means the.
Speaker 8: Agency's got to know there's some money tied to trap.
Speaker 5: Yeah, agency comes into play.
Speaker 10: It's just like anything like you're this is who's representing you.
Speaker 10: This is going to be the first time that the
Speaker 10: team gets a chance to actually get to know you,
Speaker 10: and you whoever you're sending in there on your behalf
Speaker 10: have to know you, know who you are as a
Speaker 10: person in a personality to know how to sell you
Speaker 10: better when they have those questions of like cause the
Speaker 10: first thing they do is they have a long sheet
Speaker 10: that they go in there and they say, okay, he
Speaker 10: does this on the field. But then also, guess what
Speaker 10: we got all investigators to go get these reports. Is
Speaker 10: this guy this is he that, and it's going to
Speaker 10: be your agent to fight for you. And if he
Speaker 10: doesn't truly know for you, he can give you the
Speaker 10: bubble out cookie cutter answers and say, oh he's this,
Speaker 10: he's that, we got him volunteering. But if he truly
Speaker 10: knows you, that's where he can sell you. That's where
Speaker 10: those guys in the front office that respect your guys
Speaker 10: to say, hey, take a chance on this guy. Like
Speaker 10: if there's some character issues, your agent's gonna come in there.
Speaker 10: Because listen, it's like a cake. The cake is already there,
Speaker 10: you're putting the icing on it right now when you
Speaker 10: go to the combine and doing these interviews. But then
Speaker 10: your agent is just the sprinkles. He can enhance the cake,
Speaker 10: or he can make the cake a lot worse than
Speaker 10: what it is. So picking an agent is very important.
Speaker 10: So he can express to you though, but also with
Speaker 10: knowing you, he can put the parameters in line to say, hey, man,
Speaker 10: make sure you have all these alarm sets so you're
Speaker 10: not late for these meetings.
Speaker 6: Hey, man, I talked to this team.
Speaker 10: They're worried about you, and they heard that you have
Speaker 10: an attitude, but they love your attitude.
Speaker 6: Can you show up here? So guess what?
Speaker 10: Make sure you show up earlier here so that way
Speaker 10: you can show them like, hey, I've heard what's going
Speaker 10: on and this is how I'm fixing it. So if
Speaker 10: your agent has those inner in the workings in the
Speaker 10: system and knows what's going in, he can kind of
Speaker 10: help coach you up before then to fix your flaws.
Speaker 6: So it's a big part.
Speaker 9: In it, and the agents kind of getting a little
Speaker 9: bit of phased out when you talk about some of
Speaker 9: those guys that are top five type of picks, because
Speaker 9: not everything's slotted. When you get drafted that X pick,
Speaker 9: you're getting X amount of money, Like there's no negotiation
Speaker 9: up and down. You getting X amount of money. So
Speaker 9: if you're one of them top guys coming out, would
Speaker 9: you I don't even know if I would have an
Speaker 9: agent in that situation, because I'm like, I don't want
Speaker 9: to give this guy another two percent when I'm already
Speaker 9: getting the money no matter what.
Speaker 6: I wouldn't. I wouldn't.
Speaker 10: I wouldn't look me personally, knowing what I know now,
Speaker 10: I'm the business and stuff like that. If I have
Speaker 10: somebody that's business savvy, go get me a lawyer, and
Speaker 10: I'm locked in five. Of course, yes, I can do that,
Speaker 10: and potentially I could start somebody else's career. We see
Speaker 10: Jalen Hurts, we see all these other guys that have
Speaker 10: done it. But for those guys that are third round
Speaker 10: and below, you need an agent. You need that guy.
Speaker 10: Like for me, I had the same agent, which is
Speaker 10: very rare my whole twelve year career of playing professional football,
Speaker 10: Jobe Brain Like I knew that Jobey knew the workings
Speaker 10: on the inner workings of the system and talking to people,
Speaker 10: and he was able to say, hey, Demontre coming out.
Speaker 10: You have maturity issues. You have character issues as far
Speaker 10: as showing up on time and this and that. And
Speaker 10: then on top of that, my agent was strong enough,
Speaker 10: but I was so bullharunted. He told me not to
Speaker 10: run the forty like, he said, hey, don't do that,
Speaker 10: But I'm like, no, this is how I can show
Speaker 10: like I might not kill it in the interview, but
Speaker 10: I'm a competitor, and I want to go out here
Speaker 10: and do this and do that. I went out there
Speaker 10: and the cold thing. Guess what, history rights itself. I
Speaker 10: tore a hamstring and all that, and he was like,
Speaker 10: I told you not to do it. But if I
Speaker 10: had listened to him, I could have did that. So
Speaker 10: that's what I'm saying. Your agent can potentially make or
Speaker 10: break you. So for those later guys, get your agent.
Speaker 10: If you're not a first round locked inn, pick parents,
Speaker 10: whoever's out here right now. If you're looking at me
Speaker 10: at the camera, don't get an agent. Do not think
Speaker 10: that you can do what Jalen Hurts mom did or
Speaker 10: Josh Daniel the kid the Commanders his mom. He cannot
Speaker 10: do that because it's cutthroat back there like those people
Speaker 10: are in the front. Lamar Jackson, Jackson, I'm sorry, you can't.
Speaker 10: Everybody can't be those guys. Like you said, if you're
Speaker 10: a top round, top five or first round locked in,
Speaker 10: you're good. Yeah you don't need that, but everybody else
Speaker 10: you need it.
Speaker 6: No.
Speaker 11: I just feel like, you know, basically, you gave a
Speaker 11: lot of great nuggets on what that process is like
Speaker 11: in a ton of intel. But I agree wholeheartedly with
Speaker 11: what you're saying, Barry, because I think that those guys
Speaker 11: that are in that first couple of slots, I think
Speaker 11: that the interview process is so important for them. And
Speaker 11: back to what you were saying, Demntree, but with having
Speaker 11: an agent or somebody that can absolutely take you through
Speaker 11: that process. I just go back to Dez Bryant and
Speaker 11: with some of the stuff that he went through with
Speaker 11: Miami and his interview and uncalled for questions. But I
Speaker 11: think it's something to draw you off sides. How do
Speaker 11: you deal with that? And you're gonna deal with it
Speaker 11: in with the press anyway, right, But you know, with
Speaker 11: all the years and for me man as being a
Speaker 11: fan of the game and watching the combine I've gone
Speaker 11: through and seen the Tony Mandridge, is that the guys
Speaker 11: that get drafted based off of how they they bitch,
Speaker 11: press and.
Speaker 5: You know, and all those things, and then you see a.
Speaker 11: Guy come out and broad jump or run a great
Speaker 11: forty and his stock goes up, and then he comes
Speaker 11: into the league and he performs well, I mean the
Speaker 11: Cowboys got a guy like that, Baron Jones, right, Baron Jones,
Speaker 11: And I mean he may have been overlooked in that
Speaker 11: situation because of what the small school guy. But then
Speaker 11: you see the explosiveness, you see the build, and you say, oh,
Speaker 11: this is a guy that can fit into our culture.
Speaker 11: And so I look at the scouts for the Dallas Cowboys,
Speaker 11: the head coaches for the Dolls, the head coach for
Speaker 11: the Dallas Cowboys, and just looking at those guys that
Speaker 11: are going to fit Coach Schottenheimer's system, his culture, what
Speaker 11: he's building. Get an opportunity to get these guys behind
Speaker 11: closed doors and ask those very important questions about your upbringing,
Speaker 11: who you are now. For me, Demntrey, when I think
Speaker 11: about a grown man and this plays football, that this
Speaker 11: is your dream. I should not have to have nobody
Speaker 11: knock on your door to get your behind up for
Speaker 11: the money, you know what I'm saying, for everything, for.
Speaker 5: Everything that is there, And I get it.
Speaker 11: I think when you come from a situation, especially from
Speaker 11: high school to college, where people are already catering to you,
Speaker 11: then that's another thing. But I'm just talking about the
Speaker 11: responsibility of being a professional athlete because it goes from
Speaker 11: the collegiate level to the pro level and now you
Speaker 11: have to raise you have to and I'm living in
Speaker 11: reality and I'm living and I'm living in the reality
Speaker 11: of the situation. And I think those are some of
Speaker 11: the things that when guys do come pros that you say,
Speaker 11: Oh my god, I mean, you're making twenty million dollars
Speaker 11: a year. You mean you can't show up the meetings
Speaker 11: on top I mean, And that's a normal seed in
Speaker 11: the media when you're dealing with NFL athletes.
Speaker 6: And all I'm gonna say.
Speaker 10: Is I agree with you wholeheartedly on all those sentiments
Speaker 10: when you become mature enough to understand that. But you
Speaker 10: got to remember this is you're playing a child's game
Speaker 10: for a kings ransom. A lot of these guys and
Speaker 10: kids for me, right, let's just take me an example.
Speaker 6: I'm gonna use me.
Speaker 10: But I was seventeen years old going into college, going
Speaker 10: from there, having that stability, having a TA coaches checker
Speaker 10: and stuff like that. Like I was oriented and focused
Speaker 10: and driven on that. But I didn't realize, like scholarships
Speaker 10: is every year, like this is doing that. Plus I'm
Speaker 10: the top guy, like you take it for granted because
Speaker 10: they cater to you when it comes to college. Some
Speaker 10: of these guys, this is the first real awakening. The
Speaker 10: guys that are mature enough are the guys that I
Speaker 10: think that are able to come in and hit the
Speaker 10: ground rolling unless you just have everything cater to you.
Speaker 10: Like I'm not going to even say certain players, but
Speaker 10: you know how you get drafted and they say, hey,
Speaker 10: we got to do all these things that line it
Speaker 10: up for you.
Speaker 6: The other guys, it's.
Speaker 10: Like when you're going in there doing that, Like I said,
Speaker 10: they're used to that, and they don't realize that until
Speaker 10: they have that meeting, and then all of a sudden,
Speaker 10: you go from a first round pick of having a
Speaker 10: twenty one million dollar signing bonus to going to a
Speaker 10: third round pick and only having eight hundred K. And
Speaker 10: it's like, that's a big difference. It's a big difference.
Speaker 10: That's before tax.
Speaker 8: So heck, what you're talking about, I like to break
Speaker 8: it down, it's idealism and realism. Realism is, hey man,
Speaker 8: this is you know ideally, hey, you would be on
Speaker 8: time for me to know this is because this is
Speaker 8: the way it works the real world.
Speaker 4: But the realism and what Trey is talking about is,
Speaker 4: hey man.
Speaker 8: Your habits and rituals that have started since you were
Speaker 8: in college and people were here doing this. You spend
Speaker 8: three four years like that and now you just hey, man,
Speaker 8: you go handle it. Yes, it's easy to miss it
Speaker 8: as a young person, and I know what times I
Speaker 8: have to make sure when I'm sitting here doing these
Speaker 8: shows and talking and you're now a person who's been
Speaker 8: down the road, he seeing stuff. You know now I'm
Speaker 8: old that. I tell you, man, I saw Kobe come
Speaker 8: in as a rookie and play twenty year.
Speaker 4: I mean that thing I have to reap, man, This.
Speaker 6: Is this these a kid.
Speaker 4: No iron I know, I forget it all the time.
Speaker 11: It's layered and what we're talking about is very nuanced,
Speaker 11: and I'm I'm basically talking from a standpoint of you've
Speaker 11: seen the Mannings and you've seen people come into the
Speaker 11: league that handle their business. All I'm saying is, and
Speaker 11: I don't want to get into too deep a conversation
Speaker 11: about those things. I'm just saying that the combine, to me,
Speaker 11: is the opportunity for guys to compete, show who they are,
Speaker 11: go in there and shine in the interview process. I'm
Speaker 11: with you, I'm a top ten pick. I don't have
Speaker 11: to go out there, but in the forty Okay, because
Speaker 11: the tape is already gonna speak for me. But there
Speaker 11: are guys out there that can can definitely benefit by
Speaker 11: having showing strong character, showing you know, being very good,
Speaker 11: and they don't have to be articulate, you know what
Speaker 11: I'm saying. But come on now, don't call the interview
Speaker 11: cuz they go out there and go out there and
Speaker 11: handle your business. Do exactly what you need to do
Speaker 11: so you can improve your draft stock. Because what de
Speaker 11: Montree is talking about, if you're going from a ten
Speaker 11: to fifteen million dollars signing bonus to then a eight
Speaker 11: hundred thousand dollars signing bonus, I think it'd be who's
Speaker 11: your agent to make sure you get your behind up, get.
Speaker 5: Down there and be ready to gun getting that money too. Fact.
Speaker 8: And you're saying this in the context of football, but man,
Speaker 8: I'll tell you just in my industry, when I deal
Speaker 8: with these kids, Man, some simple things you would you
Speaker 8: would think would happen don't happen.
Speaker 4: And so we look at ball players and we want
Speaker 4: to put them here.
Speaker 8: But dammit, you start looking at these kids right now
Speaker 8: across any professional But what you're doing, how you showing
Speaker 8: up like this? I mean I had, I want to
Speaker 8: I'm gonna I had two damn.
Speaker 6: It, get it.
Speaker 4: Two people.
Speaker 8: Okay, their job as interns was to log the baseball game.
Speaker 8: So it's the Pirates and the Rangers Pittsburg. Our show
Speaker 8: goes on at six o'clock. The game started at six
Speaker 8: o five. I said, well, one of you can go
Speaker 8: ahead and take lunch of somebody else watched the game.
Speaker 8: These two ladies told me now we want to go together,
Speaker 8: and we try to leave now, So who's gonna log
Speaker 8: the game?
Speaker 5: Just go on?
Speaker 4: I just logged it that this is you telling me,
Speaker 4: this is your dreams that you want to do.
Speaker 8: We're trying, and it's just logged in the baseball bro
Speaker 8: They don't did it one time they logged the game
Speaker 8: and logged it from a Pirates perspective.
Speaker 5: And I don't care about the pie. We here were talking.
Speaker 4: But someone just going back to what you're saying.
Speaker 8: Man, it's not just jeez ball, it's it's it's kids
Speaker 8: in general who don't really see the opportunity the way
Speaker 8: you and I. You and I were very different. People
Speaker 8: saw this like, man, this ship a lot of folks.
Speaker 8: And when you talented like that, and and and you
Speaker 8: know this trade, but you played with some guy.
Speaker 6: Man.
Speaker 4: Nothing you could have told them, told you couldn't break it.
Speaker 10: Not there's nothing that you can correct them on because
Speaker 10: it's like you're going from college and like you said,
Speaker 10: you said three or four years. Most especially in this generation,
Speaker 10: like the social media.
Speaker 6: A lot of these.
Speaker 10: Guys have been superstars since Little League and stuff like
Speaker 10: that and been handed it, and so they're in the
Speaker 10: era of, Hey, if you do good enough here, it
Speaker 10: don't matter what you do over here. Show up, lay here,
Speaker 10: do that like you can do all that. Somebody got
Speaker 10: all out and this is gonna be the first real
Speaker 10: awakening for a lot of people to where they get
Speaker 10: up and they get down. Cause, like you said, y'all
Speaker 10: two were different when y'all were younger like that, and
Speaker 10: typically the guys that are younger and have that type
Speaker 10: of mindset, those are the guys that we see excel.
Speaker 10: The Byron Jones, he was one of the smartest and
Speaker 10: most calculated people that I know, but he was an
Speaker 10: athletic and he said, hey, I'm using this to leverage
Speaker 10: myself to be a first round draft pick, to have
Speaker 10: a long career, get paid. Aaron Donald leveraged that like
Speaker 10: those are the guys that become great.
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Speaker 8: You can meet with a player for eighteen minutes person,
Speaker 8: and right now they are scheduled to have twelve to
Speaker 8: twelve defensive front seven guys.
Speaker 11: Yes, yes, somebody listening, attacking the truck. Somebody listening. Somebody
Speaker 11: Norton positions trying to help Matt Eberflus is there.
Speaker 8: There's also a reports that the Cowboys are meeting with quarterbacks.
Speaker 4: So h Trey Lanceton.
Speaker 5: Wait wait, wait, we all knew that.
Speaker 6: Wait meet what happened?
Speaker 10: Quarter Horses, Horses in the state, Horses in the state.
Speaker 4: They have two quarterbacks who are free agents.
Speaker 8: They do that, gotta have them so they can run
Speaker 8: a quarterback on a day you know, day three.
Speaker 5: I can see it.
Speaker 6: I see it, I see it. What you needed.
Speaker 10: You have two of them that are free agents that
Speaker 10: have proven that they are not the guys. One guy
Speaker 10: has proved that he's just a guy for a week
Speaker 10: or two. Like, come on, now, most good teams have
Speaker 10: two quarterbacks that can be a starter anywhere, and then
Speaker 10: they have that guy.
Speaker 6: No disrespect to Cooper, He's just the guy. No disrespect.
Speaker 10: He's had multiple chances to prove like, okay, what has
Speaker 10: he done over his time has he not had multiple
Speaker 10: chances to start, not just start one or two weeks,
Speaker 10: but start at least four to five weeks, And has
Speaker 10: he produced? Because those guys that have had those four
Speaker 10: to five weeks, Let's go with a guy like rock Party,
Speaker 10: he went and got the starting job. Let's go think
Speaker 10: even back to the guys before them, Nick Cullins and
Speaker 10: all those that were back ups, when they had that
Speaker 10: time frame, they where it was like, we need to
Speaker 10: go to that guy.
Speaker 6: Get that.
Speaker 10: Jimmy Garoppolo when he was at the Patriots a few
Speaker 10: times that he got in there, you were like, he
Speaker 10: did enough to go do that. Has Cooper Rush did
Speaker 10: that where he said he has record, right, he has
Speaker 10: a winning record, but he showed you there's a difference
Speaker 10: between a winning record and a.
Speaker 11: But he's that you call you call him just a guy.
Speaker 11: But in his spotlight time and the thirty one other
Speaker 11: teams that if they lose their starter and their backup
Speaker 11: has to play any significant time, they're gonna finish with
Speaker 11: a losing record.
Speaker 5: That's the reason why you're the backup.
Speaker 10: This is this is true, and so that's why I said,
Speaker 10: let me backtrack with him just being just a guy.
Speaker 10: He's proven here that he's just the guy. He hasn't
Speaker 10: proven that he can take the realms and go do that.
Speaker 10: And it's like, okay, what are we doing this. We're
Speaker 10: prolonging your career and we could potentially go get younger
Speaker 10: talent and somebody may be better.
Speaker 5: Like come on now, well there's other aspects as well.
Speaker 6: Number money too.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm not paying it. That's the thing. I'm not
Speaker 5: paying crazy money.
Speaker 8: Get someone out there could say, based on the track
Speaker 8: record of what you've done, Cooper Rush.
Speaker 4: We'll pay you.
Speaker 8: I mean, lord knows he was better than anything. The
Speaker 8: Raiders tried it out and this is true. And so
Speaker 8: if you're the Cowboys, if you don't have a plan,
Speaker 8: and somebody else may say, hey, man, this guy can
Speaker 8: help us. It could be Kellen Moore who decides, you
Speaker 8: know what, I'll bring him to New Orleans because if
Speaker 8: I got to deal with but there, so, I mean
Speaker 8: that could so. So you have to start to say
Speaker 8: to yourself, what what are the what ifs? And oh,
Speaker 8: by the way, what do I want to pay him?
Speaker 8: But most off, and this is just a hardcore truth guy.
Speaker 8: You look at Dak Prescott's playing availability the past, you
Speaker 8: have better look at the position, and they may do
Speaker 8: it if you not draft anyone you could. You got
Speaker 8: Cooper Rush as a free agent. You got Tony Romo
Speaker 8: was a free agent. So Tony Romo.
Speaker 11: Oh, my man, my man. No, I'm sorry, I'm sorry.
Speaker 11: I was I was calling Trey Lance Tony. I'm sorry,
Speaker 11: I was, all right, I misunderstood. I jumped the gun back.
Speaker 6: Hold on.
Speaker 10: I can I put some pressure on him if we
Speaker 10: had to say, because obviously you can't draft too many,
Speaker 10: you always need three quarterbacks. If you had to pick
Speaker 10: Cooper Rush or tray Lan Cooper Rush, Cooper Rush. Okay,
Speaker 10: what's the XACTID? That's what I said. I didn't want
Speaker 10: to disrespect Cooper. Like when I say just the guy,
Speaker 10: it's like, hey, I think he's played enough to go
Speaker 10: get paid somewhere else.
Speaker 6: But I don't think he's paid. He I don't think
Speaker 6: he's done well enough to get paid here to sit
Speaker 6: for the money he's gonna do.
Speaker 10: I'd rather get somebody go through that young guy Lance.
Speaker 10: I'm kind of like, what is his legacy here in Dallas?
Speaker 10: What a practice he was a practice squad guy? Okay,
Speaker 10: I just I just want you traded for for him.
Speaker 10: I just want to know from what it was.
Speaker 5: It was a shot.
Speaker 10: I mean, take a shot. Don't stick what they say.
Speaker 10: We're just throwing darts at the wall. We're just trying
Speaker 10: to get ideas. That wasn't a good right, You took.
Speaker 8: A shot and it didn't pan out to anything. You
Speaker 8: ultimately did sign your quarterback that you you said you wanted.
Speaker 10: So I think he I think he did what he
Speaker 10: was supposed to though, like he put a fire up
Speaker 10: under the deck to be like, hold on, we're going
Speaker 10: to go trade away to get a former first round pick.
Speaker 14: Hey man, man, it was a fire or a big lighter.
Speaker 14: He got what.
Speaker 5: You had said.
Speaker 11: You had that saying he was a good quarterback. What
Speaker 11: quarterback you ever seen in a quarterback competition? Give a compliments?
Speaker 11: Never da saw that. It was like y'all run me
Speaker 11: my car right now, trying.
Speaker 4: To help you out right.
Speaker 9: I ain't worried about really, ain't worried about the preseason game.
Speaker 5: Where he had all the all the reps. That's what.
Speaker 9: That's what, because it was I hope he comes go
Speaker 9: somewhere and ball and look back and be like, yeah,
Speaker 9: I don't know if he's got hoping big fellow.
Speaker 6: It's down. I love, I love, I love the other.
Speaker 8: Back on, I wouldn't be surprised if trade goes and
Speaker 8: wins the championship.
Speaker 5: Yeah, back and roll right for the renegade.
Speaker 10: Hold on your first round pick. History shows you being
Speaker 10: the first round pick. You've got one more stop before
Speaker 10: you get to the other little leagues and other stuff.
Speaker 5: Play the game.
Speaker 6: That's what I said.
Speaker 5: You a turning player.
Speaker 6: You got.
Speaker 8: C f L, you would always the renegade, former HFL
Speaker 8: team that merged with the UFL.
Speaker 4: But when you start to think about.
Speaker 8: And this is just my opinion, where this league needs
Speaker 8: to get back to, you got.
Speaker 4: Dudes need to play. Fact, Drey Lance just his resume.
Speaker 8: What they they drafted a guy who didn't play a
Speaker 8: whole lot, and you kept hearing McCarthy talk about it.
Speaker 4: This guy needs to play.
Speaker 8: When you saw Brad Johnson who won a Super Bowl,
Speaker 8: you saw Jake DeLoone who took Caroline to a Super Bowl.
Speaker 8: You saw Jason Garrett who have a serviceable career, Kurt Warner,
Speaker 8: these guys all played in that World league. They played.
Speaker 8: These dudes need to play the only way to get
Speaker 8: reps is to play because the Cowboys what the most
Speaker 8: again preseason?
Speaker 10: Yeah, and then you said and then you said pretty much,
Speaker 10: and then you sit on ice Like that's why when
Speaker 10: we were If you go back to the show and
Speaker 10: I was speaking for him, it's like you're doing him
Speaker 10: a disservice, Like you're saying, hey, we threw him out
Speaker 10: here just to see what he got, but he ain't
Speaker 10: played all season. He's not even motivated. You haven't even
Speaker 10: had an inkling of doing that. And like for guys
Speaker 10: like my self that has I've been the journey man.
Speaker 10: I played in the AF before it crashed. I played
Speaker 10: in the CFL like Newly is right, Like there are
Speaker 10: so many guys up there that can play, but just
Speaker 10: need the rep and need the coaching. And if you're
Speaker 10: not the starter, you're not getting coached into this league.
Speaker 10: In the NFL, you're coming in like it's now now
Speaker 10: football league.
Speaker 6: You need to be able to play.
Speaker 10: And for some of those guys that you're drafting off
Speaker 10: those potential, yes, playing in these summer leagues and doing
Speaker 10: all these other things, go where your opportunity is, but
Speaker 10: don't put yourself out there to have bad field. So
Speaker 10: I agree wholeheartedly when you say that two.
Speaker 8: Of their best players, Brandon Aubrey, can I take went
Speaker 8: to the went to the US.
Speaker 6: You're in the usflur.
Speaker 8: MVP Aubrey Key kicked and then to be able to
Speaker 8: go from the Spring league now took a couple of
Speaker 8: weeks off summer hits. You're ready to go, and I
Speaker 8: just think the coaches don't have time to Man, I
Speaker 8: don't know, I know you to be here.
Speaker 10: But I can think of one guy that is not
Speaker 10: to the harbor on Trierry Lance and we can go
Speaker 10: to another topic, but one guy that he still can
Speaker 10: turn his career into being because not saying that he
Speaker 10: can't come back and revive it, but Josh Johnson. Think
Speaker 10: about him, how many times have he got cut and
Speaker 10: that he went and played in these other leagues, got
Speaker 10: the rest, took them the championship and had the opportunity
Speaker 10: to where he's still hanging around right now. He potentially
Speaker 10: still might get a job this year because he wasn't
Speaker 10: sitting back and just saying, Hey, I'm gonna sit here
Speaker 10: and let everybody put me in this box. I love
Speaker 10: to play football. It's a pedigree you're related to Marshawn Lynch.
Speaker 10: I'm here, like, let me go ball out on these
Speaker 10: other leagues. Show that I am serviable, serviceable to you.
Speaker 10: At least come in and be a backup. And when
Speaker 10: y'all do play me, y'all like me enough to bring
Speaker 10: me back. The Ravens are talking about bringing them half.
Speaker 10: All that half do not have. Okay, either you have
Speaker 10: it or you do not have it.
Speaker 11: Okay, You've been given opportunities to excel in this league.
Speaker 11: You've been given quality snaps. They've taken the time to
Speaker 11: make sure that he understood the scheme here and downa say,
Speaker 11: gave him the preseason games and you understood after that
Speaker 11: that he did not have it. Whether you send him
Speaker 11: to another league if he could correct those the touch
Speaker 11: on his ball, timing, all of those things.
Speaker 5: God bless him.
Speaker 11: I'm just saying, as as his time here, it was
Speaker 11: never going to work.
Speaker 5: All right, it wasn't. It's come on, guys.
Speaker 8: Mc McCarthy said it time and time again. He just
Speaker 8: needs to play. And Mike McCarthy at the end wasn't
Speaker 8: trying to waste any time on Trey Lance because he
Speaker 8: was trying to take the games one to keep his
Speaker 8: job or you to keep his profile up so he
Speaker 8: could go get another job. And he looked at it
Speaker 8: new enough to say, Man, this dude gonna kill me,
Speaker 8: but go down with you.
Speaker 6: But that's where a player, That's where the player got
Speaker 6: thrown to the wolves.
Speaker 10: That's what I'm saying, go to another lawyer, you go
Speaker 10: to the you gottegae, I get Bob Stup. I don't
Speaker 10: think he needs to go to the Renegade, but I
Speaker 10: think he can go to the XFL or the CFL.
Speaker 5: No, there ain't.
Speaker 10: No.
Speaker 6: The XFL is the us I mean the USFL.
Speaker 8: That that is, but I mean the U USFL and
Speaker 8: the XFL merge, so it's now the UFL. So it's okay, yah,
Speaker 8: all in the one. And so the Renegades are part
Speaker 8: of me.
Speaker 9: I was thinking of the arena team has made. Yeah,
Speaker 9: my bad, that's what I thought you were going there
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Speaker 8: So we were cleaning things up in the break the
Speaker 8: indoor League in Frisco.
Speaker 4: That's a Friscal Fighters.
Speaker 6: There we go. I'm sorry, I apologize.
Speaker 4: Good good, good team, good team. My cousin Church played
Speaker 4: up there.
Speaker 9: But but the the.
Speaker 6: Coaching and not to hit what I was saying. They
Speaker 6: were correct.
Speaker 8: Arlington Renegade is part of the uf L which plays
Speaker 8: over in Arlington.
Speaker 5: So they're out there.
Speaker 8: That's part of the group that the Rock and his
Speaker 8: his former wife Danny Garcia. So but we have seen
Speaker 8: guys from that league, Brandon Aubrey, Cavante, Turpin come from there.
Speaker 4: Way Phillips is coaching out there.
Speaker 6: He's over there.
Speaker 10: The San Antonio team, they were they almost won the championship.
Speaker 5: Ain't no way trade going over there, man? Why not?
Speaker 5: You don't think you can go over there and made
Speaker 5: too much?
Speaker 10: Bread man, that's his pride, that's what made But that's
Speaker 10: what I'm if you could take your bench five, you
Speaker 10: got to pay for it. You got this over there
Speaker 10: playing right now and loves it. Like, that's the probably thing.
Speaker 10: If you take that away and you love football. If
Speaker 10: Trey Lance loves football, he will be over there and
Speaker 10: he will be playing. If you don't love football, then
Speaker 10: obviously you were in it for the money.
Speaker 6: Circles up.
Speaker 8: Speaking to what you're saying, this is just my guess.
Speaker 8: If this free agency comes around here and he's sitting
Speaker 8: out here without a.
Speaker 5: Deal, so what do you do? I just don't you
Speaker 5: think he gonna go down?
Speaker 6: Do it?
Speaker 5: If you want to play football for the sixteenth while
Speaker 5: he made in the league.
Speaker 10: That's the thing about it though, And that's the difference
Speaker 10: that Trey has over other guys. That's what made it
Speaker 10: easier for me to make that transition when I went
Speaker 10: over there, Like, did I feel like, oh I should
Speaker 10: be playing in the league and stuff?
Speaker 6: Yes, I did.
Speaker 10: So guess what every time I went out there, I
Speaker 10: punished them and showed them like I am a man
Speaker 10: amongst boys. But what also helped me is that I
Speaker 10: played in the league. I had that financial cushion to
Speaker 10: where I can go get a massage, and most of
Speaker 10: those guys are not getting massages. Most of those guys
Speaker 10: don't know how to properly take care of their body.
Speaker 10: So I'm treating myself like I'm still in the league. Well,
Speaker 10: also showing them what they potentially could be doing, what
Speaker 10: could take their game to the next level, and showing
Speaker 10: those guys like it's not about just showing up and
Speaker 10: going here and going home and playing the game and
Speaker 10: hoping that we get a shot. No, we need to
Speaker 10: go in here and stretch. We need to do that.
Speaker 10: And because I had that money, I was able to
Speaker 10: fly down massage therapist for other guys to help our
Speaker 10: team be dominant, and Trey Lance can go do that.
Speaker 10: On top of that, you get the experience to play,
Speaker 10: you show that you have leadership qualities and showing the
Speaker 10: organization and how to build a leadership format. On top
Speaker 10: of that, you get your skills and you just evolve
Speaker 10: as a player. So technically it is the best thing
Speaker 10: for him to go do right now. But if your
Speaker 10: pride in the way, and you sit there and you
Speaker 10: say that I'm above this, football is football. At the
Speaker 10: end of the day, when we strap up that helmet,
Speaker 10: all the same risks happen, all the same rewards happen.
Speaker 8: Going to get a championship or now he's talking benefits,
Speaker 8: your talking price, And at some point in time, the
Speaker 8: benefits have to outweigh the price, because if you ever
Speaker 8: want the price again without the benefits, it ain't gonna happen.
Speaker 8: Heck Mahrrison candis State guy. Cooper Beebe never played at all.
Speaker 8: Cowboys threw him out there, had struggles last year. He
Speaker 8: was an All American consensus All American for the Wildcats.
Speaker 4: His former college coach is here.
Speaker 8: He spoke about how BB's played all along the offensive line,
Speaker 8: and we did ask him, are you considering moving him
Speaker 8: back to guard where he was an excellent player or
Speaker 8: did you leave him at center?
Speaker 4: He kind of left it open. What would he Harrison get?
Speaker 11: Now we get an opportunity to talk about a guy
Speaker 11: that have halfo Is that such a thing as sweat equity?
Speaker 11: Is that such a thing as a guy that has
Speaker 11: already put in the time to show you that he
Speaker 11: can be a center in this league. It's not that
Speaker 11: he showed you through playing a position that he wasn't
Speaker 11: previously playing in college. But I think he wasn't all pro,
Speaker 11: it wasn't Pro Bowl. But he showed you, coming from
Speaker 11: where you had let go previously of Tyler Piattish that
Speaker 11: he filled in nicely. Right he was next to tackle,
Speaker 11: he was next to a guard that really helped him
Speaker 11: out tremendously too. Guards and Zach Martin obviously now retired
Speaker 11: my stance on this, and even looking at brock Hoffman,
Speaker 11: who was a center that he can and then complete
Speaker 11: role reversal for both of these guys. But Hoffman showed
Speaker 11: me that he can be a guard if you didn't
Speaker 11: have that, and depending on where the Cowboys are thinking
Speaker 11: as far as the draft, now, if you have an
Speaker 11: all world center that's going to fall to you in
Speaker 11: those first two rounds, now, my thinking is completely different,
Speaker 11: all right. But right now, as I sit here right now,
Speaker 11: I say that Cooper bb is your starting center, and
Speaker 11: I think that's one less thing for you to have
Speaker 11: to concentrate on, because now all I'm looking at is
Speaker 11: either left tackle, right tackle, or right guard as.
Speaker 6: An option me myself.
Speaker 10: I'm not about to sit here and say that I'm
Speaker 10: so Cohurst and all these guys.
Speaker 6: I'm aware of them. But I had to go do
Speaker 6: my research. What he said.
Speaker 5: I had to go put ears in Google's your friends.
Speaker 6: Not Google.
Speaker 10: I had to go to the sources I talk. I
Speaker 10: like to go to players because that's who's going to
Speaker 10: tell you if they're studying film and stuff like that.
Speaker 10: And so the consensus around the locker room is move them,
Speaker 10: move them to guard.
Speaker 6: Let brock do what he's supposed to.
Speaker 10: He's bigger, he's athletic, he's showing you the capability that
Speaker 10: he can do that. You put him at his position
Speaker 10: that made him the money, got him an all consensus.
Speaker 10: You have his coach coming back there, you have the
Speaker 10: foundation for everything in the makings to who's going to
Speaker 10: be that guy that's going to be the Zach Martin
Speaker 10: that's going to transition right there. So it's like he
Speaker 10: has all the frameworks right there. Let him go be
Speaker 10: that guy and excel right there. On top of that
Speaker 10: with brock Hoffman doing what he's doing, being smart, showing
Speaker 10: that he has the athleticism, the team is rallying behind
Speaker 10: him and they believe in what he's doing. You have
Speaker 10: those two guys right there that can feed off each other.
Speaker 10: Then it's like, now let's go work on the outside end.
Speaker 10: So I'm gonna go there.
Speaker 9: Yeah, I'm I'm with you on this one when you
Speaker 9: talk about because I like how Hoffman comes in and
Speaker 9: play center. He's dirty's nasty, the type of guy that
Speaker 9: you want on your offensive line. And BB was all
Speaker 9: pro at you know, Kansas State, and that's what his
Speaker 9: position was, god guard. But I'm also against switching back
Speaker 9: and forth as a young player. And he's going into
Speaker 9: a second year, plays center all this year, then they
Speaker 9: move him to guard all next year. I'm not I'm
Speaker 9: not a fan of switching second season. Yes, second like
Speaker 9: it's I'm not a big fan of that. But I
Speaker 9: love what Hoffman brings to the table. So I wouldn't
Speaker 9: be mad if Hoffman went into that center position. You
Speaker 9: solidified it with BB on one side, and then you
Speaker 9: got my guy Tyler Smith.
Speaker 6: On the other. So so you want BB.
Speaker 5: At guard, Yeah, I would put BB at guard.
Speaker 6: That's all we want.
Speaker 5: Back of them at guard. I don't want to like
Speaker 5: that be the young.
Speaker 8: One thing that I would say that does help BB
Speaker 8: if you put him at guard is now he has
Speaker 8: to think less. He doesn't have to make the calls
Speaker 8: to read anything. You just go out here and go
Speaker 8: be nasty and do what you do. You're replacing Zach Martin.
Speaker 8: And if I take BB, put him at guard where
Speaker 8: he has some natural ability to take the experience from
Speaker 8: being a center. Now he's back over to guard a
Speaker 8: little bit easier. Put Hoffman there. What are we talking
Speaker 8: about this team? You have munch the issues you have.
Speaker 8: You don't have enough draft capital fill all your needs.
Speaker 8: You could potentially solve this right here to have to
Speaker 8: use a draft pick or free agent capital and put
Speaker 8: it in other places because lord b.
Speaker 4: Let's see what happens here.
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