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Speaker 1: Cool Zon Media.

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Speaker 2: Hello, sixteen minute listeners, Last call for tickets.

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Speaker 2: the show for the next week. Okay, episode time Shoes,

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Speaker 2: My got do you remember?

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Speaker 1: I don't remember exactly when we first saw.

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Speaker 2: I feel like I remember being at your house, like

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Speaker 2: in the computer room or whatever.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, now that I'm thinking about it, we either had

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Speaker 3: our computer room or it was probably right before the

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Speaker 3: computers made their way to our bedrooms, which sounds horrifying.

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Speaker 2: So this is my cousin Chloe, and we used to do,

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Speaker 2: amongst other things, watch Liam Kyle Sullivan's shoes on YouTube

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Speaker 2: every single day after school.

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Speaker 4: You would have been last year of middle school, junior

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Speaker 4: high and I would have been a freshman or incoming

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Speaker 4: freshman into high school. And that's when when everything changed, when.

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Speaker 2: Relly, did you know that Kelly or I guess Liam

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Speaker 2: is from New England?

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Speaker 4: No, yeah, that makes even better Massachusetts.

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Speaker 3: Oh okay, I didn't know if we were talking about

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Speaker 3: like New York, Connecticut, Massa, Chusetts, like the whole of

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Speaker 3: New Englander.

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Speaker 4: Okay, it was good people.

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Speaker 1: Kid, Do you remember muffins?

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Speaker 4: Muffins is everything? I have true word. The dog was

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Speaker 4: just roaming the huves.

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Speaker 3: I have true word association with banana, shides of glass,

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Speaker 3: by anything.

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Speaker 4: Fire.

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Speaker 2: I know in retrospect, I'm like, oh, he was obviously

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Speaker 2: from Boston because all of his characters have like but

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Speaker 2: that's yeah.

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Speaker 3: But what I think is so amazing is I did

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Speaker 3: not pick up on that at all. Right as a

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Speaker 3: thirteen fourteen year old, I'm like, this is how every

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Speaker 3: mother or person from here talk, So why wouldn't they talk?

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Speaker 5: Great?

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Speaker 1: Mom, says Fire.

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Speaker 4: Especially what do you want, little Johnny? I'm like, yeah,

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Speaker 4: that's how we talk here exactly. That's why. How long

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Speaker 4: ago was that?

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Speaker 5: Which is gross?

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Speaker 1: I don't want to age twenty years.

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Speaker 4: I mean thank you. I love you.

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Speaker 5: I love you.

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Speaker 2: Liam Kyle Sullivan aka Kelly. Your sixteenth Minute continues now.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to sixteenth Minute, the podcast where we talk

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Speaker 2: to the Internet's main characters and speak about how their

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Speaker 2: moment affected them and how it changed the Internet and us.

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Speaker 2: And today we are continuing my talk with Liam Kyle

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Speaker 2: Sullivan aka Kelly of Shoes Fame. I have been so

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Speaker 2: happy to hear how much people are enjoying the first

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Speaker 2: part of this episode, So no commentary for me at

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Speaker 2: the top.

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Speaker 1: We're just gonna jump back into it.

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Speaker 2: We return to my interview with Liam Kyle Sullivan at

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Speaker 2: the Lyric hyperiend a lot of just like internet stuff

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Speaker 2: is just very commonly understood now because it's just been

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Speaker 2: around for so long and almost in a kind of

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Speaker 2: like dystopian way sometimes, But like who in your life

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Speaker 2: could possibly relate with what you were going through? Like

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Speaker 2: there were so few people who had gone through anything

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Speaker 5: There were a handful of us, right. I met Taizon

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Speaker 5: Day who did Chocolate Rain. Yes, yeah, wonderful human being.

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Speaker 1: He seems like a sweetheart.

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Speaker 5: Very smart, and I got to meet him because Weezer

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Speaker 5: so it's like two thousand and eight or nine. Yeah,

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Speaker 5: I think it was nine that I got to meet

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Speaker 5: him and we talked and oh wow, and Judson Lapley

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Speaker 5: He's a very smart, lovely person too. And yeah, we've

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Speaker 5: I mean, I guess it's not unique in that it's

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Speaker 5: You know, I was trying to make be a performer

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Speaker 2: You know, you have this like internet clout that is clear,

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Speaker 1: So when you're translating that to you're already in.

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Speaker 2: Entertainment, you're a working actor at this point, how do

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Speaker 2: you bring that to your like reps and too meetings.

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Speaker 5: I remember one meeting I had where yeah, it was

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Speaker 5: Our audience doesn't match up with yours, so we're not interested.

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Speaker 5: I think maybe that's what it might have been. One

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Speaker 5: of the things I gave up or just like stop

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Speaker 5: I'd go in circles in my head, why didn't that work?

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Speaker 5: Why didn't you know? Maybe it was because I was

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Speaker 5: only got one shot. Do not miss your chance, blow.

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Speaker 1: Like that whole thing full a mile full a mile.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, maybe I had don't fuck this up too far

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Speaker 5: what was my part in this? You know, why didn't

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Speaker 4: Me much happier.

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Speaker 2: Really, really, going into the Liam Sullivan Internet archive experience,

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Speaker 2: you were like ahead of the curve and people didn't

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Speaker 1: Stuff that was very special to you on the Internet

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Speaker 2: Or underground, even though every single person you knew had

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it's funny. I meet people now who haven't seen it.

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Speaker 5: they were just like, wow, I never saw that. That

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Speaker 5: And I was like, well, you know. Another thing was

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Speaker 5: Make more videos like this.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I know that some people are very like

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Speaker 5: You're like, Okay, I worked it out, it's working. Whereas

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Speaker 2: And then be a data scientist on the back half

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Speaker 5: I needed someone else to be doing that, But I

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Speaker 2: Well, at what point did it stop being fun? When

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Speaker 5: I think I always had fun, but I did get

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Speaker 5: to a point where I knew I had to do

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Speaker 5: to articulate. It wasn't so much that I didn't like

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Speaker 5: I mean I shot on the weekends, I shot at night.

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Speaker 5: one meeting with someone who said, yeah, we could do

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Speaker 2: Liam Kyle Sullivan, Welcome back to sixteenth minute. Ariana Grande

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Speaker 5: Oh? We met. It was great. It was so great.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. So I didn't know, is this connected to Kelly?

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Speaker 1: This is awesome?

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Speaker 5: So we didn't know what we really looked like. Right,

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Speaker 1: It's so nice.

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Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, that's and I love that you you

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Speaker 5: Daughter's eleven and her son is five. I just did

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Speaker 5: Yeah, my relationship with Kelly has definitely changed. It's weird

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, well that's oh man, that is very empower

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Speaker 2: Because it's it's true, like there's just very few pieces

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Speaker 1: It's really special. And I'm glad, thank you.

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Speaker 5: from doing it.

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Speaker 2: The Internet of today kind of discourages you from doing

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Speaker 2: that in a way that feels a little frustrating. Of

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Speaker 2: like again, like you're saying, like like you were having

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Speaker 2: to feel like you had to do in two thousand

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Speaker 2: and six, of like chasing the numbers, making sure that

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Speaker 2: like you're calibrating something to be creatively satisfying to this machine.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, Like there's a trick to this, and if you

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Speaker 5: learn the trick, you'll succeed.

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Speaker 2: But there is I mean, that's just impossible because I

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Speaker 2: feel like if you followed those rules, shoes wouldn't have happened.

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Speaker 5: You know. Oh yeah, shoes broke a lot of rules, right, Yeah, Yeah,

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Speaker 5: I did a lot of things unconventionally, Yeah, and it

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Speaker 5: worked for me. This show that I'm doing is I'm

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Speaker 5: going to try to keep doing it and get it

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Speaker 5: really good. And it's been difficult to do because it

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Speaker 5: is such an emotional journey. Yeah, I'm talking about really

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Speaker 5: like the stuff we talked about here therapy. And it's

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Speaker 5: a hard show to do. It's really hard, I can imagine. Yeah,

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Speaker 5: it's sometimes I feel excited to do it and other

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Speaker 5: times I feel terrified to do it.

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Speaker 2: And is that is this style of performance for you?

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Speaker 2: It sounds pretty new, right, that something that's personal.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I've never really gotten personal like this in front

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Speaker 5: of a big crowd. By the end of the show,

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Speaker 5: like I'll run the show in my head or you know,

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Speaker 5: just run the lines. By the end of it, I

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Speaker 5: feel better, think like maybe this is a good message.

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Speaker 5: There's I think there's a good message in it. I

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Speaker 5: don't think it's just me flapping my gums for an hour.

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Speaker 5: There's funny parts, there's sad parts, but I think as

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Speaker 5: a whole maybe people can come out of it with something.

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Speaker 5: Almost every time I finish it, I feel good.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you, Well, I mean thank you for taking

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Speaker 2: an hour and a half to.

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Speaker 5: Talk about it. Can we talk for an hour and

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Speaker 5: a half? Much?

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Speaker 1: No?

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Speaker 3: I like it?

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Speaker 1: There again, you're doing me a huge favorite. This is like,

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Speaker 1: so I'm so kind.

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Speaker 5: Stuff out.

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Speaker 2: I'll find something to cut out, you know. Thank you

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Speaker 2: so much to the wonderful Liam Kyles Sullivan. You can

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Speaker 2: follow him at the links in the description, and if

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Speaker 2: you happen to be listening to this the day it

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Speaker 2: comes out, he will be workshopping his show, a Liam

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Speaker 2: Kyle's Sullivan Show tonight at the Lyric Hyperion in LA

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Speaker 2: and next week on sixteenth Minute, we are taking a

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Speaker 2: side quest into the language of today's Internet. See you

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Speaker 2: then and for your moment of fun. Here is Kelly's

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Speaker 2: most recent official appearance, a promo for CrOx.

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Speaker 5: I don't think you're going to fat, I mean your

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Speaker 5: favor I'm back. Oh by the way, why did it

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Speaker 5: just go get your size? Thank you? No, seriously, thank you.

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Speaker 5: You still have to pay for The.

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Speaker 2: Sixteenth Minute is a production of Whole Zone Media and

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Speaker 2: iHeart Ordaps. It is written, hosted, and produced by me

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Speaker 2: Jamie Loftus. Our executive producers are Sophie Lickderman and Robert Evans.

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Speaker 1: He amazing.

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Speaker 2: Ian Johnson is our supervising producer and our editor. Our

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Speaker 2: theme song is by Sad thirteen. Voice acting is from

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Speaker 2: Grant Crater and pet. Shout outs to our dog producer Anderson,

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Speaker 2: my cat's fleeing Casper, and my pet rock Bert, who

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Speaker 2: will outlive us all. Bye.