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Speaker 1: All right, let's start it off with Carson Swezinger, which

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Speaker 1: a quote tackling machine from UCLA. What led to that choice?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so Carson, we just thought he really embodied the

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Speaker 3: modern day linebacker maybe a little bit of our similar

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Speaker 3: thought process, although their different players. When we drafted trade

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Speaker 3: like Carson had a very well rounded game. He his

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Speaker 3: and just felt like it was good value for.

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Speaker 4: Us two hundred and forty pounds. Mike linebacker of the

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Speaker 4: future is that the thought.

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Speaker 3: I'd say this, Carson can play any of our spots.

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Speaker 3: I think, because he's so smart and he's a good communicator,

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Speaker 3: Fluid just doesn't maybe a little bit of disservice in

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Speaker 5: And Andrew one of the things I felt there was

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Speaker 5: I assist that we're pretty much all the picks.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we we we like tough and competitive guys, and

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Speaker 3: we think, you know, all the players that we've selected

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Speaker 1: Especially Quincheon Judkins played in a lot of big games.

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Speaker 4: With Jerome Ford here it was shown home run ability.

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Speaker 3: I don't think there's really any any evidence of that

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Speaker 4: Two of the guys that you took today were no

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Speaker 4: Harold Fannin and the linebacker Swiss Swissinger were both no

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Speaker 5: Is that the trend now getting guys who've had a

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Speaker 4: What are the top three traits in your mind that

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Speaker 4: One of the things that is true every single year

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Speaker 2: That's just where we feel comfortable taking him off the board.

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Speaker 1: I want to go back to Harold fan of Junior

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Speaker 1: if I can. I I saw him in high school.

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Speaker 2: I love him.

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Speaker 1: He's only twenty. I remember David Nadjoku was only twenty.

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Speaker 1: he's done so much and he's had so much production,

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Speaker 3: I think what Harold was able to do lead the

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Speaker 5: Exactly now on a not so personal level, but I'm wondering,

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Speaker 3: because your phone's blowing up the whole, the whole.

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Speaker 4: Especial why you pick thirty three?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Andrew, thank you very much for the time.

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Speaker 2: Good luck tomorrow, all right, thank you very much, guys,