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Speaker 3: Here we go. It is a Thursday, and there is

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Speaker 3: a ton to talk about.

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Speaker 1: Lincoln Riley, Steve Sarkegian, Mark Sanchez Al joining us on

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Speaker 1: a July show storms, humidity, heat rolling. It is the

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Speaker 1: football season's almost underway.

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Speaker 3: Jamax. Yesterday and little Chicago.

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Speaker 1: Let's just say the Bears practice went a little sideways

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Speaker 1: and Ben Johnson was not happy. It was a little

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Speaker 1: volcanic at the Bear's practice.

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Speaker 3: And you know I'm leading with that.

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Speaker 4: Of course you are, yeah, you are Team Chicago right now.

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Speaker 1: You love it so per multiple reports, I did see

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Speaker 1: some of the video. The Bears offense and Caleb Williams

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Speaker 1: were a disaster yesterday. At one point Ben Johnson barking

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Speaker 1: at him. He pulled the first team off the field.

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Speaker 1: It was a disaster for Caleb Williams yesterday and some

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Speaker 1: of his OTA issues resurfaced, not getting the play right,

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Speaker 1: looking disorganized, not getting the footwork right. So two things

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Speaker 1: can be true. I think he's a huge talent, and

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Speaker 1: I also think his critics are valid. I mean, I

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Speaker 1: love Tom Cruise, but I think scientology's wacky. Love my wife,

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Speaker 1: don't agree with her on everything. Smoked a cigar last night. No,

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Speaker 1: it won't extend my life. Have politicians I like don't

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Speaker 1: agree with all their policies. Two things are true, Kayleb.

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Speaker 1: Williams is super talented, but you're now starting to see

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Speaker 1: last year OTAs in camp some of the same problems

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Speaker 1: not as correctable as many of us think. Can't get

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Speaker 1: the playwright what I talk about yesterday Belichick saying the

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Speaker 1: best part of Brady he got the play right, no

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Speaker 1: pre snap penalties, he didn't hold on the ball too long.

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Speaker 3: And I gotta tell you we're.

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Speaker 1: Gonna know by early early October if this guy can play.

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Speaker 1: The coach is fine, the offensive line's been upgraded, the

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Speaker 1: weapons are good enough. I don't want to hear about

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Speaker 1: the Bears daunting schedule. Oh, second toughest in the league. Nonsense.

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Speaker 1: They're favored in for their first six games, for their

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Speaker 1: first six games. It's a bunch of teams rebuilding. New Orleans, Washington, Vegas,

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Speaker 1: Dallas is rebuilding. Jerry Jones doesn't want to admit it,

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Speaker 1: but they're rebuilding. That early schedule and even the later schedule.

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Speaker 1: It's New York, it's Cleveland. There's a lot of rebuilding teams,

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Speaker 1: a lot of great defenses until you get to Baltimore

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Speaker 1: in late October, so you're gonna know Jayden Daniels coming

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Speaker 1: were all going with Jayden Daniels, WHOA. We thought he

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Speaker 1: was going to be Lamar Jackson ish. He's Lamar Jackson.

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Speaker 1: Now that's the new standard, and I'm not asking you

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Speaker 1: to chop it up and be dominating. In September. Bow

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Speaker 1: Knicks with Sean Payton was bad in September, and Sean

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Speaker 1: Payton's as smart as they get. He had a touchdown,

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Speaker 1: Jared goff Owen seven as a rookie got Sean McVay.

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Speaker 1: He went from Owen seven to his first September with

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Speaker 1: McVeigh passerrating at one eighteen. It just does doesn't take

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Speaker 1: you got ten thousand snaps, seven on seven camps, private coaching,

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Speaker 1: the ability in high school and college for these top

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Speaker 1: quarterbacks that transfer, yeah, even in high school to better coaching,

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Speaker 1: better support systems. So we need major, major elevation, significant

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Speaker 1: improvement by late September early October. And that's not asking

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Speaker 1: for a lot. It's a new world. I used to

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Speaker 1: to win right now that early schedule. The Bears, coming

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Speaker 5: So it's just a lesson to us that you know,

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Speaker 1: So we're gonna have Steve sarkejan On bottom of the hour,

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Speaker 1: Lincoln Riley, a lot of heat at USC on Lincoln

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Speaker 3: So it's the big ten sec.

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Speaker 1: All these coaches are talking right now and that's why

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Speaker 3: Football, the big time coaches. So I'm all fired up.

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Speaker 1: I said this, there's heat on Sark sort of like

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Speaker 1: Ryan Day before he won the Natty last year.

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Speaker 3: Everybody knew Ryan Day could coach.

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Speaker 1: What does the guy like seventy and ten at Ohio State,

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Speaker 1: like he struggled with Hartbough at the end, but we

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Speaker 1: all knew Ryan da could coach. But he got into

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Speaker 1: a little heat when he lost at home to Michigan

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Speaker 1: to the title. It's same with Sark. Everybody knows he

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Speaker 1: can coach. He was College Football Coordinator of the Year

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Speaker 1: under Saban. NFL teams are interested. I think he could

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Speaker 1: this year, I think he would be the top college

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Speaker 1: coach Canadate to coach in the NFL. I don't think

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Speaker 1: he will. I think he's going to stay at Texas.

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Speaker 1: It's one of the best jobs in all of football.

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Speaker 1: But the truth is Ohio State Texas is great, and

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Speaker 1: you know what it shows unpopular opinion. Rivalries are overrated. Ooh,

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Speaker 1: Dallas and the New York Giants Bears Packers. Those are

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Speaker 1: one o'clock window games. In the NFL, the best rivalry

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Speaker 1: It's Mahomes against Josh Allen, right, That's why it's a

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Speaker 1: great rivalry. So the college football playoff created two dynamic

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Speaker 1: advantages that college football didn't have to have. Number One,

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Speaker 1: December now playoff games sudden depth like March Madness instead

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Speaker 1: of Rando bowl games that nobody attended. You know, the

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Speaker 1: phrase is remember the Alamo, not remember the Alamo Bowl. Okay,

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Speaker 1: second thing, early losses aren't as punitive, so you could

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Speaker 1: take big swings on your schedule. You can grow as

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Speaker 1: a football team. I mean in high school and in

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Speaker 1: the pros, you're allowed to lose early and still win

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Speaker 1: a championship. Until now, you couldn't do it in college football.

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Speaker 1: So Ohio State Texas five years ago, if they would

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Speaker 3: These are nineteen year old kids.

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Speaker 1: So in a memo to all you college football rivalry

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Speaker 1: guys that didn't want the playoff because you thought it

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Speaker 1: would ding rivalries, nobody cares outside of your fan base.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I think Iowa and Wisconsin played for a

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Speaker 1: spittoon or a cheese wheel or an axe or something.

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Speaker 1: Nobody cares. I'm in the Big ten building, nobody cares.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I'm looking at the Texas Longhorn schedule right now.

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Speaker 3: Oh the Red rivalry, read the Red River rivalry.

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Speaker 1: I got news for you if you let me, If

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Speaker 1: you would fly me private to three games this year

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Speaker 1: for the Texas Longhorns. Number one would be the game

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Speaker 1: two would be the game at Georgia November, and then

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Speaker 1: I would figure out if Oklahoma was better than A

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Speaker 1: The highest rate of game last year for Texas was

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Speaker 1: the Georgia gate. It won the Oklahoma game. So college

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Speaker 1: football rivalries are like family traditions. If you're totally honest

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Speaker 1: with yourself, you're diluted a little bit by him, Like

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Speaker 1: Grandma's fruitcake it's mid and you know it, and Uncle

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Speaker 1: Hank's peanut riddles stinks. No, cap, just be honest, you know,

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Speaker 1: I mean, I know you've talked to yourself into thanksgivings.

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Speaker 1: Oh is the best, But then Earle gets drunk, goes

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Speaker 3: I don't want to hear about rivalry games. Ohio State.

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Speaker 1: Texas is not only great because the teams are great,

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Speaker 1: the coaches are great, the traditions are great. It's great

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Speaker 1: because the loser can lose again. Ohio State lost at Oregon,

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Speaker 1: lost as a twenty point favorite, was allowed to make

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Speaker 1: jet fuel, that ugly loss, the staff and the players,

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Speaker 1: and win the National championship. That's how the NFL works.

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Speaker 1: That's how high school football can work. Why in college

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Speaker 1: do you get if you lose a huge game early,

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Speaker 1: you have to go undefeated. So I'm not into these

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Speaker 3: Oh the Iron Bowl? When's the last time it mattered?

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Speaker 1: Now? Michigan Ohio State remains fantastic. But the NFL is

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Speaker 1: a ratings powerhouse. What's their biggest rivalry? Honestly, it's Lamar

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Speaker 1: Jackson against Mahomes. It's Mahomes against Josh Allen. It's quarterback driven,

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Speaker 1: not regional or rivalry driven. A lot of these great rivalries,

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Speaker 1: they're one o'clock window games. The biggest Fox rating this

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Speaker 1: year for college football game are going to be Texas

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Speaker 3: That's going to be the.

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Speaker 1: Big number not a rivalry game. Sark's on coming up

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Speaker 1: around the corner. It is a lot to add. I

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Speaker 1: will say this. It is a lot to ask arch

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Speaker 1: manning opening game at the Shoe against a top three

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Speaker 1: team in Ohio state with college football national championship momentum,

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Speaker 1: elite coaching staff, and oh, by the way, Longhorns are

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Speaker 1: rebuilding the old line. So it is a big ask.

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Speaker 1: I can't wait, jymk we got a lot going on.

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Speaker 1: What do you make of Caleb Williams and these offensive

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Speaker 3: I applaud him.

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Speaker 1: He's what's concerning about Caleb Williams The stuff that you

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Speaker 1: that an OTAs Wright. It wasn't organized, couldn't quite get

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Speaker 1: is this just something that doesn't get better?

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Speaker 4: So his backstory is didn't he follow Lincoln Riley to USC?

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Speaker 4: Lincoln Riley it takes the USC job. It's like, oh yeah, Caleb,

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Speaker 4: come on down and he kind of got free reign

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Speaker 4: to do backyard football.

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Speaker 4: Lincoln is kind of on board with that because that

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Speaker 4: at times until it didn't. And now he's carrying those

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Speaker 4: and again I'm not going to overblow the Ben Johnson story,

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Speaker 4: but he clearly is not a fan of that backyard

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Speaker 6: He wants you to drop back, process and fire. And

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Speaker 6: if Caleb can't do.

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Speaker 1: draft pick or a seventh round pick.

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Speaker 3: Kenny, Somebody's gonna get hurt.

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Speaker 1: It could be you know, it could be any quarterbacks

435
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Speaker 1: gonna get hurt, either a starter or a backup gets hurt.

436
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Speaker 1: And Kenny Pickett's been around the league, so I think

437
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Speaker 1: Picket's easier to move.

438
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Speaker 3: Who's gonna who's gonna give you anything of value?

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Speaker 1: For Dylan Gabriel, I mean, if the if the Browns

440
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Speaker 1: are willing to move off and that I'm telling you

441
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Speaker 1: that like chadur more than Dylan, and Chador went in

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Speaker 1: the fifth round, So can he picket to me? He's

443
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Speaker 1: a guy you can move and get something in return.

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Speaker 6: That's a good point.

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Speaker 4: Final story con is Yep, it's the Dallas Cowboys. Yeah,

446
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Speaker 4: I know, but we're not talking Michael Parsons. Finally, we're

447
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Speaker 4: going to Cedee Lamb.

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Speaker 6: Colin Listen. He is really one of the top receivers

449
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Speaker 6: in the league. We know this.

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Speaker 4: He talked about working with Dak and he's very excited

451
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Speaker 4: about the upcoming season.

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Speaker 10: I feel like the league knows what happens when I'm

453
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Speaker 10: healthy and I have Dak for our whole season. But

454
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Speaker 10: if you don't, I will have it. I will happily

455
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Speaker 10: show you what it's going to be like this year. Honestly,

456
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Speaker 10: it's I'm a I'm a dominant receiver. I don't need

457
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Speaker 10: I don't like to speak highly of myself, but I

458
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Speaker 10: can't wait to show you guys.

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Speaker 3: He'll be good. He'll battle for a Pro Bowl. He's

460
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Speaker 3: very good.

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Speaker 1: The best player on the team, absolutely no question, best

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Speaker 1: player on the team.

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Speaker 4: It's interesting because you're not a huge fan of the

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Speaker 4: self promotion.

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Speaker 6: Where are you on, I'm a dominant player. If you're dominant,

466
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Speaker 6: don't tell me. I know this will tell me.

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Speaker 1: They're show me young young men waving the flag a

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Speaker 1: little bit.

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Speaker 3: I get it. I'm okay with it. I can live

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Speaker 3: with it.

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Speaker 1: Jmck of the news, Well, that's the news, and thanks

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Speaker 1: for stopping by the herd Line News. Well, there were

473
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Speaker 1: thirteen and three last year before losing to the Buckeyes.

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Speaker 1: One of the reasons I love the College Football Playoff

475
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Speaker 1: is that you can play big games early and even

476
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Speaker 1: if you lose thirty five thirty, it's okay.

477
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Speaker 3: You can grow as a team.

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Speaker 1: You don't have to go undefeated the rest of the

479
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Speaker 1: way to play for the College Football National Championship. The

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Speaker 1: Buckeyes last year lost as a twenty point favorite home

481
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Speaker 1: after losing to Oregon and Nason, and they still made it.

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Speaker 1: That's why I love Texas and Ohio State plan my

483
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Speaker 1: buddy Sarks joining us coach of the Horns Texas Longhorns,

484
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Speaker 1: who I have playing in the National Championship this year

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Speaker 1: against Penn State. The two best teams I think are

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Speaker 1: Penn State and you guys.

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Speaker 3: I want you to go back, Sark.

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Speaker 1: So your USC days, your Washington day's, the Alabama days

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Speaker 1: and now at Texas. This is a this is a

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Speaker 1: lot to chew on in week one road game Ohio State.

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Speaker 1: You guys, Pete Carroll and you guys, you played some

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Speaker 1: tough games early go back in your career. Is this

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Speaker 1: Is there anything that reminds you of this kind of

494
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Speaker 1: game as an opener?

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Speaker 11: As an opener, you No.

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Speaker 12: The only one I could think of, Colin is when

497
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Speaker 12: we went to Auburn.

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Speaker 11: I want to think.

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Speaker 12: I want to say it was two and it was

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Speaker 12: Liner's first career star Reggie, Reggie Lindell were true freshmen

501
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Speaker 12: and we went into We went into Auburn and they

502
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Speaker 12: were they were pretty highly ranked team. But but I

503
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Speaker 12: don't know of anybody you know, going on the road

504
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Speaker 12: playing the defending national champions after having played them in

505
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Speaker 12: the semi finals ended our season last year, and let

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Speaker 12: me turn around and open with them this year.

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Speaker 11: It's gonna be hacking a game. But that's you just

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Speaker 11: touched on it.

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Speaker 12: That's the beauty of this format now that that you

510
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Speaker 12: can afford to play these games, it's great for the fans,

511
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Speaker 12: it's great for college football. Everybody's talking about it, and

512
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Speaker 12: I was jokingly saying, you know, it's so different than

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Speaker 12: the NFL.

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Speaker 11: Nobody's talking about Week one matchups in the NFL. Everybody's

515
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Speaker 11: talking about this game.

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Speaker 12: And then the idea that I don't think either of

517
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Speaker 12: us get punished playing this game. Obviously, we all we

518
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Speaker 12: both need to play well throughout the entirety of the season.

519
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Speaker 12: But sure, it's what a spotlight it puts on both

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Speaker 12: programs and as well as college football.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and also it's a litmus test. You'll know a

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Speaker 1: lot about your team that you couldn't You wouldn't know

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Speaker 1: if you played a lesser opponent. So here's what I

524
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Speaker 1: worry about. Four new offensive line starters. Now you've got

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Speaker 1: this is a position you have recruited very very well

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Speaker 1: in arch Manning. I bet just like Dad and Eli

527
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Speaker 1: and Archie is good at the line of scrimmage, You'll

528
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Speaker 1: get that ball away quickly. But it does to go

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Speaker 1: on the road. Stark, you know this better than anybody.

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Speaker 1: The O line. You don't have a preseason. These are

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Speaker 1: nineteen twenty year old guys. That is a cohesion chemistry unit,

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Speaker 1: not just a talent unit. Are you concerned for new

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Speaker 1: starters on the road. The arts thing, that's fine, but

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Speaker 1: you don't you don't have an exhibition game to start.

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Speaker 3: That's a lot to ask, does.

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Speaker 12: It, or you Well, I think that's why training camp

537
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Speaker 12: is going to be so important. And you know, the

538
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Speaker 12: beauty for the offensive line is they have to compete

539
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Speaker 12: against our defensive front every day, and I think we've

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Speaker 12: got one of the premier defensive fronts in the country.

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Speaker 12: They're very talented players, but also a really good scheme,

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Speaker 12: a difficult scheme. But to your point, them all playing

543
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Speaker 12: together as one is going to be critical, and arch

544
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Speaker 12: does play a part in that. You know, we're fortunate

545
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Speaker 12: DJ Campbell's a returning starter. Cole Hudson rotated with DJ

546
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Speaker 12: played a bunch of football. Trevor Gooseby really at the

547
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Speaker 12: end of the season. He was playing against all sorts

548
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Speaker 12: of high, high caliber opponents from Georgia to Texas A

549
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Speaker 12: and M to Clemson, so he got a lot of

550
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Speaker 12: experience at tackle. But there'll be a couple of new

551
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Speaker 12: faces in there, and I do think that's going to

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Speaker 12: be one of the keys for us in the ballgame

553
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Speaker 12: is is I don't want to say protecting them, but

554
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Speaker 12: putting them in really good positions so they can go

555
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Speaker 12: out and execute and play it plays a unit.

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Speaker 1: So Jeremiah Smith is on a short list of the

557
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Speaker 1: most talented college football players I've ever seen. Reggie Bush

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Speaker 1: I can remember seeing him as a sophomore and thinking, oh,

559
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Speaker 1: he could probably play in the NFL right now. Javon

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Speaker 1: Curse was kind of like that. When you play a

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Speaker 1: guy like Jeremiah Smith, do you bracket him? Do you

562
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Speaker 1: double him? Do you trust your corners? He is so

563
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Speaker 1: physically strong that I it's one of those you contain him,

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Speaker 1: do you?

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Speaker 3: I mean, what?

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Speaker 6: How?

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Speaker 1: What is a game plan? Is there a perfect one?

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Speaker 1: Do you just mixed coverages?

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Speaker 3: You know?

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Speaker 12: It's interesting. I had a chance to coach Julio Jones

571
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Speaker 12: for two years. Uh in La reminds me a lot

572
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Speaker 12: of him. So big and physical, but yet fast, I

573
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Speaker 12: mean cover ground, so strong at the point of attack

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Speaker 12: when the balls in the air, you see that, you

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Speaker 12: see that, you know, just the ability to make contested catches.

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Speaker 12: And I do think at the end of the day,

577
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Speaker 12: a that's where your attention needs to be. But hey,

578
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Speaker 12: they got really good coaches. He's going to be moving around.

579
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Speaker 12: He's not going to be lining up in one position

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Speaker 12: all the time. Ideally you've got multiple people with eyes

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Speaker 12: on him and guarding him.

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Speaker 11: But you can't.

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Speaker 12: You still have to play great team defense, and you've

584
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Speaker 12: got to have the ability to stop the run, and

585
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Speaker 12: you've got to cover the two other white House they have.

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Speaker 11: We are two really good players too, So I do.

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Speaker 12: Think a multitude of things that you can do well,

588
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Speaker 12: but you better know where number four is at all times.

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Speaker 1: So it's interesting when you get quarterbacks that I've always

590
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Speaker 1: kind of felt like ideally I was talking to an

591
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Speaker 1: NFLGM about this. He goes, I'm not really hiring coaches.

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Speaker 1: I'm hiring CEOs. A coach to be a CEO. I

593
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Speaker 1: don't want him on the headset constantly. Now at college

594
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Speaker 1: it feels a little bit different. But you are a

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Speaker 1: CEO at Texas. You have a great athletic director, but

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Speaker 1: I mean nil transfer portal, building a staff players. So

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Speaker 1: how much I know, I know it's Arch's biggest start, yet,

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Speaker 1: how much freedom does he get at the line of

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Speaker 1: scrimmage in the open?

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Speaker 12: Well, I mean there naturally there's going to be some

601
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Speaker 12: you know, and we're still formulating that game plan. That

602
00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:10,160
Speaker 12: thing is nowhere near set and Stone and uh, and

603
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Speaker 12: we're going against a really good defensive coordinator and Matt Patrician,

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Speaker 12: which I don't think people are talking a whole lot

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Speaker 12: about of here's a guy who's been an elite defensive

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Speaker 12: coordinator at the NFL level and worked under coach Belichick's

607
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Speaker 12: been a head coach with the Detroit Lions, and so that.

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Speaker 11: That poses its own challenges too.

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Speaker 12: There's not a lot of tape, no no tape of

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Speaker 12: him coaching in college football, and so putting a plan

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Speaker 12: together that we feel good about also gives Arch a

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Speaker 12: little bit of freedom to to get us in and

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Speaker 12: out of some things that you know, as looks present

614
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Speaker 12: themselves in the game because there's so many unknowns. I

615
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Speaker 12: think is going to be critical and he's more than capable.

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Speaker 11: Of doing that.

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Speaker 12: You know, he's the guys you knows been been raised

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Speaker 12: watching tape with with Eli and Peyton and his dad

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Speaker 12: and his grandpa and everybody. So we're going to feel

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Speaker 12: good about that. And he's got great composure and he's

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Speaker 12: been in some ires with us already, so.

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Speaker 11: We'll feel good about it. Do we want to major

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Speaker 11: in him have an audible on the road.

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Speaker 12: That's a difficult thing to do, but we're going to

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Speaker 12: give him some opportunities to do those things, especially some

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Speaker 12: critical moments.

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Speaker 1: So I you know, I was thinking about this. I

628
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Speaker 1: talked to urban Meyer about this.

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Speaker 3: Is that nil's tricky.

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Speaker 1: Lincoln Riley's done a lot, Brian Kelly's done a lot,

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Speaker 1: Dion Sanders has done a lot, and those I would

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Speaker 1: argue those three there's value to it, but it is

633
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Speaker 1: hard to create culture and chemistry when you're bringing in

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Speaker 1: a player and paying him three times what you're paying

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Speaker 1: a third year starter.

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Speaker 3: Like in the NFL.

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Speaker 1: Everybody understands there's the salary cap and there's certain guys

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00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:45,840
Speaker 1: that get it, and that's the quarterback in college. I

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Speaker 1: think the NIL, I'm for it, but there is a

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Speaker 1: danger in the transfer portal not screwing up chemistry.

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Speaker 3: Where do you land on?

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Speaker 1: I mean, have there been guys that you really like

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Speaker 1: but you're like, you all, what, man, I'm not going

644
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Speaker 1: to pay this receiver that and bring him into our room?

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Speaker 3: Like? Is that something you have to think a lot

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Speaker 3: about With the NIL?

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Speaker 11: For sure, I think you hit the nail on the head.

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Speaker 11: It happened this offseason.

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Speaker 12: We ended up not going on a player because I

650
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Speaker 12: didn't feel comfortable about what he would have had to

651
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Speaker 12: what it would have cost us to get him in

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Speaker 12: comparison to other players on that side of the ball.

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Speaker 12: And we love our culture and we've exhausted ourselves and

654
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Speaker 12: building the culture here at the University of Texas and

655
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Speaker 12: it's really good, and we're navigating the NIL space I

656
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Speaker 12: think is good or better than anybody. I think there's

657
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Speaker 12: a lot of respect in our locker room. We believe

658
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Speaker 12: in production. This is a production based industry, right. How

659
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Speaker 12: you perform ultimately is how you get compensated. And so

660
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Speaker 12: I think our players understand that. And so when you

661
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Speaker 12: bring somebody in from the outside that all of the

662
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Speaker 12: sudden is making more than everybody else, I think that's

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Speaker 12: when you can run into some problems. And so you've

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Speaker 12: got to make those decisions. Because we're a really good

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Speaker 12: football team. That's the beauty of our sport. I think

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Speaker 12: teams win championships, not not just a bunch of talented individuals.

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Speaker 11: And we've got a really good team.

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Speaker 12: And I'm very cautious to uh to do anything to

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Speaker 12: to to cause you know, any type of you know,

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Speaker 12: feud or disruption, to that what we have going right now.

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Speaker 1: Finally, what is arch Manning's best trait? Something that you

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Speaker 1: didn't even have to coach. It's just intuitive. There is

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Speaker 1: something he just did well the minute he got on campus.

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Speaker 11: Work ethic. His work ethic is incredible.

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Speaker 12: Whether it's you know, studying tape, studying film, studying the playbook,

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Speaker 12: working at his craft.

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Speaker 11: You know, in the weight room like that.

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Speaker 12: That that that is, whether it's innate in him or

679
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Speaker 12: uh it was you know, handed down from his uncles, whatever,

680
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Speaker 12: whatever it was, his work ethic is really pretty incredible.

681
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Speaker 12: And and that lends itself to the teammate that he

682
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Speaker 12: is too. And again that's not to take away the

683
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Speaker 12: arm talent, the deep ball, the athleticism, all that. I

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Speaker 12: think all those things are a byproduct of how hard

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Speaker 12: he works at his craft and how hard he works

686
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Speaker 12: at being a great teammate. Those things I've never had

687
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Speaker 12: to coach him on it. He walked in the door,

688
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Speaker 12: was a great teammate and has worked his tail off

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Speaker 12: from day one.

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Speaker 1: You know, you're a coach. You could do TV. You

691
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Speaker 1: did a little TV, but in the end, you're a coach.

692
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Speaker 1: You just love coaching. You're an exs and O's guy,

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Speaker 1: one of the smarter guys I've ever met that does that.

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Speaker 1: And I watched Nick Saban on TV, and I think

695
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Speaker 1: he's such a coach. Nick, such a coach. I don't

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Speaker 1: think he's coming back to college. Let me ask you

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Speaker 1: if somebody in the NFL called him, maybe the team

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Speaker 1: that got Arch Manning or got a great quarterback, do

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Speaker 1: you think Nick Saban would take the call? You know him,

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Speaker 1: you know him well.

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Speaker 11: You already have him in Cleveland. I heard you yesterday,

702
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Speaker 11: you already have in Cleveland.

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Speaker 12: He's coaching Arch. I only have Arch for one year,

704
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Speaker 12: thought I was going to have him for two.

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Speaker 11: I don't know.

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Speaker 12: You know, Hey, he is a great coach and I

707
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Speaker 12: love my time, uh working for Nick. I mean, he

708
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Speaker 12: really is a fantastic coach. I think he feels really

709
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Speaker 12: comfortable to me. You know, he's really good on TV.

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Speaker 12: I think he enjoys what he gets to do. He's

711
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Speaker 12: playing a ton of golf, which which which he loves doing.

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Speaker 12: I'm sure. I'm sure you know Miss Terry loves having

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Speaker 12: him at home. So I don't know, you know that

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Speaker 12: that's obviously a personal thing. As he grows. I know

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Speaker 12: he's one of, if not the most competitive person I've

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Speaker 12: ever been around, so sure of those competitive juices get

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Speaker 12: flowing pretty good. But man, he looks like he's having

718
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Speaker 12: a lot of fun doing television. He looks relaxed, and

719
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Speaker 12: he's great for our sport. You know, I know people

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Speaker 12: are love tuning into it to hear his insight on

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Speaker 12: all this stuff.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, it was just speculation on my part.

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Speaker 1: I you know, that's what I do. Steve great seeing.

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Speaker 11: You you too, man, you too?

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Speaker 1: All right, one of my favorite guys, Sark, who's at

726
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Speaker 1: just a fascinating journey. I mean, I'm telling you right

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Speaker 1: Texas Ohio State. I mean, I am parked. Pregame game,

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Speaker 1: postgame on Fox.

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Speaker 3: That is going to be.

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Speaker 1: That's as good an opening game as we've ever had

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Speaker 1: on that Labor Day weekend.

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Speaker 3: That's as good as it gets.

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Speaker 12: It's the Hurt.

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Speaker 2: Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays

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Speaker 2: in noon Easter not a em Pacific.

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Speaker 3: Lincoln Riley next hour. I want to thank Sart for

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Speaker 3: stopping by.

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Speaker 1: So the Cincinnati Bengals have announced this week they're going

739
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Speaker 1: to play Joe Burrow more on the preseason than they

740
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Speaker 1: have in previous years, they have traditionally started slowly. A

741
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Speaker 1: lot of that is that Burrow's not healthy and it

742
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Speaker 1: takes offensive lines and quarterbacks and timing a while to

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Speaker 1: get going. But we were talking about this as a

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Speaker 1: staff this morning. Is I think I worry that Joe

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Speaker 1: Burrow could become and it's not that crazy could become

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Speaker 1: Matt Stafford in trod where unbelievable college talent, you know,

747
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Speaker 1: goes top of the draft, highly productive, has a little

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Speaker 1: taste of winning early, but just underwhelming ownership with a

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Speaker 1: really good organization in his division like Baltimore or for

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Speaker 1: Stafford Green Bay, and you just don't you just don't flourish.

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Speaker 1: And I said last week, if I was a top

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Speaker 1: NFL head coaching candidate, if I was, the top priority

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Speaker 1: is who's the quarterback? That's why Harball went to the Chargers.

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Speaker 1: But number two is who's the owner? And there are

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Speaker 1: I've said this, Kirk Cousins with very strong ownership, beat

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Speaker 1: Matt Stafford a lot in that division. Okay, and it

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Speaker 1: wasn't talent, So I think I would probably take Now

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Speaker 1: j Max is going to be shocked at this, But

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Speaker 1: if you gave me a good quarterback, brock Purty an

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Speaker 1: excellent ownership with Jed Yorke. I think that job is

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Speaker 1: more attractive than Joe Burrow and Cincinnati. That's why keep

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Speaker 1: defending Zach Taylor. They don't have a designated general manager,

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Speaker 1: they have among the smallest scouting departments in the league.

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Speaker 1: They don't spend in free agency. I mean, how what

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Speaker 1: they did with Jesse Bates the safety's a great example.

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Speaker 1: He was a pro bowler. They won't pay him. He

767
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Speaker 1: goes to Atlanta. He's a pro bowler to get paid.

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Speaker 1: So I think Zach Taylor's always fighting an uphill battle,

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Speaker 1: and I think Joe Burrow's getting tired of it.

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Speaker 3: Last year more than once he was. I mean, it's

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Speaker 3: not being moody. He was upset. He sees it.

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Speaker 1: He was easily the best quarterback in the league that

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Speaker 1: didn't make the playoffs. And he recently talked about the

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Speaker 1: multiple holdouts going on right now with the Bengals.

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Speaker 13: Yeah, obviously disappointing. You know, you'd like to have all

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Speaker 13: your guys out there day one to try to to

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Speaker 13: build that cohesion that I was talking about earlier, But

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Speaker 13: that's it's not how it usually works out, you know,

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Speaker 13: it's a business, and.

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Speaker 6: That is how's gone.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that isn't the way it works out in most teams.

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Speaker 1: This stuff is private, right, so you know this is

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Speaker 1: it sounds crazy, like everybody knows that Harball went to

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Speaker 1: the Chargers because of Herbert, But he got guarantees from

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Speaker 1: the Spanos family on the money allotted to him and

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Speaker 1: his staff, and they wanted new facilities for free agents,

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Speaker 1: right like, so there was a lot of things going

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Speaker 1: on here. He Harball looked at the facilities. Harball looked

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Speaker 1: at the guarantees salary with the coaching staff, most of

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Speaker 1: it was Herbert, but with Joe Burrow. Now you look

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Speaker 1: and much like Matt Stafford. Well you had the very

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Speaker 1: very well run Packers in the division, and you had

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Speaker 1: the really really well run Vikings who are always capable

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Speaker 1: in the vision. And so Harball looked at that and

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Speaker 1: he thought, well, you got to really really well run

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Speaker 1: Kansas City chiefs in the division. I got to make

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Speaker 1: sure I got more than just Herbert. I need guarantees

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Speaker 1: of the coaching staff. I need those new facilities. And

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Speaker 1: La is attracted for free agents too. So it's a

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Speaker 1: tough spot. I mean, I've said this, if you don't

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Speaker 1: think ownership matters. Carson Palmer had to deal with the

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Speaker 1: Bengals ownership, the Raiders ownership in Arizona. He got one

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Speaker 1: gift in his career. He got Bruce Arians for three years,

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Speaker 1: and the bid Wells weren't great owners, but they mostly

805
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Speaker 1: stayed out of the way, and he went twenty nine

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Speaker 1: and nine with seventy touchdowns and it was a running league.

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Speaker 1: Carson Palmer's the best quarterback that never He had three

808
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Speaker 1: different teams, he never had great ownership. He briefly got

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Speaker 1: a great coach for him, and he tore the league up.

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Speaker 1: Like so, I know, quarterbacks the most important ownership. Second,

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Speaker 1: and I've said this, as owners of the NFL are

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Speaker 1: now all billionaires. They've gotten increasingly impulsive, and the one

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Speaker 1: exception is Cincinnati, where they're not impulsive, but they've remained cheap.

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Speaker 1: So you're letting really good players go. Lots of distractions.

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Speaker 1: I will defend Zach Taylor to the ends of the

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Speaker 1: earth on this thing. He's got a lot to deal with.

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Speaker 1: They do not have an official designated general manager. They

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Speaker 1: have an incredibly small scouting department. Go look at the

819
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Speaker 1: Eagles drafts. There's a reason. They've got a massive scouting

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Speaker 1: department in Philadelphia.

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Speaker 3: Massive. So I worry about this.

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Speaker 1: I worry about it with Joe Burrow, and that's why

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Speaker 1: I think Cincinnati's there's a couple teams in the NFL

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Speaker 1: that it's hard for me to predict. Like I like

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Speaker 1: Zach Taylor, and I love Joe Burrow, and I love

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Speaker 1: Jamar Chase. I mean Jamar Chase won the Triple Crown

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Speaker 1: last year. Joe Burrow was amazing. They didn't make the playoffs. Okay,

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Speaker 1: so it's like, why would that be. You've got a

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Speaker 1: confident offensive coach. Burrell was arguably the best quarterback in

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Speaker 1: the league, he had the best wide receiver, and he

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Speaker 1: didn't make the playoffs. It's upstairs, our two next