Speaker 1: The following. He is a production of Dallas Cowboys dot
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Speaker 1: Mick Shot screaming live on Dallas Cowboys dot Com and
Speaker 1: the official Dallas Cowboys at now Here are Bill Jones,
Speaker 1: Everson Walls, and Nicky Spagnola. And it is eleven thirty
Speaker 1: on a Thursday. And you know what that means. It's
Speaker 1: time for another edition of mix Shots. It's an OTA,
Speaker 1: the first Ota edition of mix Shots inside the STUBC
Speaker 1: podcast studio. And ah, there's Everson's favorite song right there, right,
Speaker 1: Everson Baby, that is bit there it is. It's a
Speaker 1: victory Thursday here inside the st we're playing it, but
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go with it for old time, same football.
Speaker 1: There are football players on a football field here at
Speaker 1: the Start in Frisco, and we have all members of
Speaker 1: mix Shots here right. So ya were here last week?
Speaker 1: Last we were here last week? He was better watch
Speaker 1: out because Chris Hall took your spot? And oh did
Speaker 1: he really? I got I need to go back to
Speaker 1: compliments for having Chris Hall on. He did? He welcome
Speaker 1: and get compliments from about having Bill on or ever
Speaker 1: I was here last time. So though that's like when
Speaker 1: you bring somebody new it, right, they're used to the
Speaker 1: old style. Okay, okay, I thought you so I'm only
Speaker 1: pit be careful, so Chris, no, you're not because I
Speaker 1: had to take your players. Okay. Yeah, so there's never
Speaker 1: any danger, no, no, whatsoever. That's why Christians run with it,
Speaker 1: so spags wouldn't have to talk too much. Well, I
Speaker 1: can't wait to go back and listen to it. I
Speaker 1: was kind of busy last week. Yeah, where were you?
Speaker 1: I was in San Francisco, you were in town. Well,
Speaker 1: it's um, we had to have you know, it's it's
Speaker 1: a little where's the last time you were in San
Speaker 1: Francios Well two years ago? Okay, yeah, all right, yeah,
Speaker 1: I won't bring up the other times that you've been there.
Speaker 1: Uh I went to the Super Bowl, come on, yeah,
Speaker 1: yeah you did. I will go about Cowboys here. I
Speaker 1: was telling the story. Uh you know, of course, the
Speaker 1: Mavericks are playing the Warriors in the Western Conference Finals.
Speaker 1: And the first time that I was in might have
Speaker 1: been the first time ever in San Francisco was when
Speaker 1: the Cowboys played the Niners in the NFC Championship Game.
Speaker 1: Into the ninety two season, I spent a week out there,
Speaker 1: uh previewing good time and in fact, Everson we went
Speaker 1: to Dwight Clark's restaurant there in San Francisco as we
Speaker 1: led up to it is still, in my opinion, the
Speaker 1: greatest football game I've ever gone to. NFC title thing
Speaker 1: in a NFC championship game in nineteen ninety two one,
Speaker 1: that's right, that's right, that's right. But he had an
Speaker 1: NFC title game. Yeah, that's right. So anyway, did you
Speaker 1: eat well? Uh? Actually know we were. We hit the
Speaker 1: ground running and we never stopped running. I furty okay,
Speaker 1: queen game. At the hotel we stayed at in downtown
Speaker 1: San Francisco, it was probably on Thursday morning. For breakfast,
Speaker 1: I got an orange juice. Um what else did I get?
Speaker 1: I got four things like a it was a uh
Speaker 1: some sort of breakfast something I can't remember exactly you
Speaker 1: spent let me guess you guess how much. That's my point.
Speaker 1: I got an orange juice, water at the hotel, a
Speaker 1: cup of coffee, and something to eat like a like
Speaker 1: what it was was a fruit little thirty thirty at
Speaker 1: least thirty. You didn't even get like a breakfast. No,
Speaker 1: it wasn't even a break both it was no, and
Speaker 1: it was thirty five dollars. Bro Yes, come on, man,
Speaker 1: thirty five dollars. The guy in front of me in line,
Speaker 1: he got one of I oh my water was a
Speaker 1: sixteen ounce water. Oh wow, yeah, you're being gleed. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was an extra SI. It was five fifty. It
Speaker 1: was five fifty. So the guy in front of me
Speaker 1: had just finished a workout and he got the big
Speaker 1: the big bottle of water. Okay, I guess it's thirty
Speaker 1: two ounce. It was eight dollars and fifty says and
Speaker 1: he said, I'm sorry, I'm taking it back. I can't
Speaker 1: get this. Just a matter of principle, I could drink
Speaker 1: out the foss That's right, that's right. So anyway, that's
Speaker 1: what I was doing last night. Now, don't get me.
Speaker 1: Let's let's go. Let's keep keep down this old man
Speaker 1: path with going here. Uh went to DFW eight of
Speaker 1: the bar. I had a just a beer and some
Speaker 1: chicken fingers. Twenty seven bucks for beer and chicken fingers dinner.
Speaker 1: It was just a few strips. Yeah, twenty say how much?
Speaker 1: Twenty twenty seven? Come on, man, that's been every everything
Speaker 1: that I ate there even at the game. I just
Speaker 1: went to concession stand whatever, and it was thirty dollars.
Speaker 1: And so that's my stater. When I turned my expense report,
Speaker 1: you know, it's everything's thirty to thirty five dollars. So wow,
Speaker 1: welcome to the big city. That's right, that's right, yep,
Speaker 1: and I get off my lawn. Meanwhile, here OTA's have
Speaker 1: begun this week and it was an open session for
Speaker 1: the media yesterday, and I know Mickey Spagnola was in there.
Speaker 1: Oh look at that legal pad. It is full of
Speaker 1: notes from observed yesterday during OTA's. Yes Uh, it was
Speaker 1: our first chance to actually watch him practice. Thought we'd
Speaker 1: be able to peek at him on Tuesday, but it
Speaker 1: rained and they they were indoors, go indoors, and went
Speaker 1: indoors again yesterday. Um, but yeah, it was good to
Speaker 1: see a little football action. Um, although um, you know
Speaker 1: they don't. I think everybody needs to understand anything you
Speaker 1: read about whatever anybody did. Tristan Hill beating Tyler Smith.
Speaker 1: No pads, okay, it's helmets, jurybody, calm down and shorts okay.
Speaker 1: And when they were going team most of it was
Speaker 1: half speed. I mean when they were running routes the
Speaker 1: DBS were. You know, it wasn't like a hotly contested
Speaker 1: thing until the end when they were they were actually
Speaker 1: running routes hard and the DBS were uh covering. The
Speaker 1: half speed reminds me of the story from Cowboys training
Speaker 1: camp from Jimmy and Austin and Uh, I guess I
Speaker 1: won't say the sportscaster's name. Um, and he wasn't here
Speaker 1: for very long, so it wasn't Dale Hansen or Mike
Speaker 1: Doocey or Bill Jones. But they were running like a
Speaker 1: three quarter speed goal line drill and the offense, ever so,
Speaker 1: the offense scored on every place, So I remember that.
Speaker 1: It's so Ted Nobson asked Jimmy after after the practice.
Speaker 1: He said, Jimmy, are you concerned about your goal line defense? Ted?
Speaker 1: That was half speat, Hey, I and it's it's camp.
Speaker 1: For the ninety one season, I did a Sunday Night
Speaker 1: uh segment with him after every game. Oh my gosh.
Speaker 1: He would ask where you got this mick rant from.
Speaker 1: He would talk to Jimmy, he would ask me. He
Speaker 1: would ask me what I wanted to talk about ahead
Speaker 1: of time? Right, and so I kind of give him
Speaker 1: all this stuff then we can get on the air live.
Speaker 1: And we go on the air live, and he would
Speaker 1: not ask me anything we previously just other stuff. And
Speaker 1: I had never done TV before. And the lady that
Speaker 1: was came here with Jimmy to do some of the
Speaker 1: TV shows, Brenda bouchell I told her, I said, what
Speaker 1: do I do? And she goes answer his question and
Speaker 1: then say what you want to say, like what you
Speaker 1: told him you were going to talk about, and then
Speaker 1: talk about that. Okay, So I digressed, and so take
Speaker 1: it from there. So as far as what you saw yesterday, yeah,
Speaker 1: I just reminded that. Well I had another one for
Speaker 1: you too. But watching a training camp practice where the
Speaker 1: first team or the scout team offense was going against
Speaker 1: the first team defense. And you know what happens, right,
Speaker 1: You're supposed to run the play, throw the pass, and
Speaker 1: the defense intercepts. Right. So the poor third string quarterback
Speaker 1: was running the scout team, he got intercepted like three
Speaker 1: or four times, and somebody reported, yeah, thumbs down for
Speaker 1: whoever it was, because he got intercepted for a time.
Speaker 1: So anyway, or they'll have drills, you know, parcels would
Speaker 1: do the situation drills, and the idea of the drill
Speaker 1: is to throw the ball. Throw the ball, throw the
Speaker 1: ball in the stands. Basically, you're you're killing the clock.
Speaker 1: Basically you're in San Antonio and they decided there's five
Speaker 1: seconds to go in the game. You're winning. You got
Speaker 1: to kill the clock. And Quincy Carter drops back and
Speaker 1: throws it way high and out of bounds, and all
Speaker 1: the people started booing, like, you missed the receivers. The
Speaker 1: crowd starts booing, yeah, the drift right, but he was
Speaker 1: doing it is throwing it out high and by time
Speaker 1: the ball comes down the right. But there was now
Speaker 1: maybe the play of the day. And this is what
Speaker 1: we talked about quite a bit last week because of
Speaker 1: Everson's sort of connection to Marquis Bell because undrafted rookie
Speaker 1: mom and dad have both called me to make sure
Speaker 1: looking out for them. Boy. So, so they're in goal line,
Speaker 1: uh and it's fourth and goal at the one, and
Speaker 1: Cooper Rush drops back to throw a quick out to
Speaker 1: his left to do Ontario Drummond, rookie wide receiver, and
Speaker 1: Bell is covering him out of the slot. He jumps
Speaker 1: the route for an interception and he basically goes ninety
Speaker 1: nine yards through the touchdown? Right, he didn't want to
Speaker 1: quit and run it? Right? Did he ran all the
Speaker 1: way all the way right? At what he what he
Speaker 1: got there? He had to come back all the way right,
Speaker 1: he didn't get it. He didn't give up the football.
Speaker 1: I said, oh, he's going to keep it as a souvenir, right,
Speaker 1: And then when he got back to somebody that was
Speaker 1: you know, he handed And so when McCarthy was asked
Speaker 1: about it, he said, you know, he goes, he was
Speaker 1: pretty impressive during the rookie mini camp and he continues
Speaker 1: to stand out. And somebody said, Yanni would have had
Speaker 1: a touchdown, right, he goes, well, I think he stepped
Speaker 1: out of bounds and it's like, let's not worry about
Speaker 1: the small stuff. Right. But I'll tell you what when
Speaker 1: you saw him jumped the route and take off. We
Speaker 1: talked last week about his four four one speed. He's
Speaker 1: got four four one speed for a guy his side. Uh,
Speaker 1: he's been pretty impressive. So is he as big as
Speaker 1: Jay Vons? Not as tall? He's six two, but he's
Speaker 1: two yeah what is he now? Because we talk about
Speaker 1: the variation in his weights. So he's six two and
Speaker 1: I want to say two twelve, but he looks bigger.
Speaker 1: He looks like a linebacker. Um, yeah, six two two twelve, okay,
Speaker 1: but more like Wilson. Well got safety Wilson, right, yeah,
Speaker 1: but just I don't know he's he's taller and he
Speaker 1: just when I saw him, I said, God, he looks
Speaker 1: like a linebacker. And then when they were and when
Speaker 1: they were talking about him, dan Quinn mentioned his name
Speaker 1: and he goes, yeah, when he goes. When I first
Speaker 1: saw him work out, I look at guys and I
Speaker 1: want to see them on how I would use him
Speaker 1: on my team in my defense. And he said, when
Speaker 1: I saw Marquise, I said, well, he might be able
Speaker 1: to play linebacker, be that j Ron Kurtz type guy
Speaker 1: in my defense. And he said so when he came
Speaker 1: here the first time I had him meeting with the linebackers,
Speaker 1: I wanted to see what how he would develop. So
Speaker 1: he was one of my guys that last week last Friday,
Speaker 1: when I wrote my column, I said, okay, keep an
Speaker 1: eye on these two guys, Marquise Bell and t J. Vasher.
Speaker 1: The wide receiver six six out of Texas Tech. He
Speaker 1: spent all last year on non football injury. He had
Speaker 1: knee surgery and you just look at his Look at him.
Speaker 1: He's always open, right, he's six six, Just throw it up,
Speaker 1: and he had a catch yesterday that got a couple
Speaker 1: of wiles from from everybody. Wouldn't you think that, God
Speaker 1: he could do. I think he could really control things
Speaker 1: a bit better if you're looking at that size, yeah,
Speaker 1: and looking at that speed and his agility, not not
Speaker 1: just straight line. I'm talking his agility. You seem to
Speaker 1: I haven't seen it. You seem to talk very well
Speaker 1: as Wes dan Quinn about his agility. I'd rather have
Speaker 1: him at safety. Yeah, when you have that kind of agility. Well,
Speaker 1: when they lined up with the second team, he was
Speaker 1: one of the two safeties. I'd like to see him
Speaker 1: playing the ball in the air down the field. You know,
Speaker 1: how well do you play that? I mean, we can
Speaker 1: all look good, but when that ball is in the air,
Speaker 1: you have to know how to attack it. You don't
Speaker 1: have to necessarily make the picks, of course I love that,
Speaker 1: but how to attack it in the air, catch a
Speaker 1: highest point. Those the kind of things that alongside the
Speaker 1: amazing stuff that you said he's doing, that's kind of
Speaker 1: things that you kind of want to look for so
Speaker 1: you weren't here. But Everson points out that his roommate
Speaker 1: in college, mar uh is my roommate in college. His
Speaker 1: sister in law, that's her nephew. Okay, okay, that's basically it. Okay, Yeah,
Speaker 1: so he had some insider information and mom and dad
Speaker 1: all call him, like, look out for my baby. You
Speaker 1: know you can tell him about the interception. Yes, yes, yes,
Speaker 1: And I've been trying to catch up with him. I
Speaker 1: called him and he was on the elevator and he
Speaker 1: couldn't hear me. And then once he got down, I
Speaker 1: tried to call him. You know, we just send some clone. No,
Speaker 1: you're gonna have to come out for a practice. There
Speaker 1: you go, there you go. Maybe we can finally meet.
Speaker 1: So anyway that, um, you mentioned Tyler Smith, and so
Speaker 1: I'm not sure when the last time he lined up
Speaker 1: against somebody at guard it was against uh, it was
Speaker 1: probably against Arlington Martin. Yeah, now, Arnington Martin has some
Speaker 1: really good talent though, I mean, Miles Garrett bladed on
Speaker 1: to Martin when he was in North Since you mentioned
Speaker 1: the offensive line when they first went out there, Uh,
Speaker 1: Tyrn Smith, you're not gonna like to hear this, but
Speaker 1: he evidently had some back tightness. Tyrant Tyrant, Yeah, and
Speaker 1: uh so he wasn't out there. I'll go over some
Speaker 1: of the guys that were out there. Yeah, but anyway, uh,
Speaker 1: Matt Molets go, uh there, let's fourth round, fourth round,
Speaker 1: while let's go yeah. Uh, he was and Ball were
Speaker 1: kind of sharing that left tackle spot. Connor mcgovernn was
Speaker 1: at left guard, Tyler Beatis at center, Zach Martin, and
Speaker 1: then Terrence Steele. So this is what normally happens, right
Speaker 1: when when they start these types of practice, there's a
Speaker 1: deference to guys who are veterans, like you get to
Speaker 1: go out first because the rookies got to earn his right.
Speaker 1: So so Tyler Smith uh went out with the second
Speaker 1: team at left guard. I like the fact that they're
Speaker 1: working him just at guard right now. Yeah. I mean
Speaker 1: he's twenty years old to just I'm sorry, I was
Speaker 1: looking at I was looking. He's exactly what I told
Speaker 1: the guard first round draft pie guard. And yes, and
Speaker 1: if that we draft a guard, that's a first pick.
Speaker 1: I'm still trying to get over there. And if that
Speaker 1: back tightness continues, he'll be we'll be trying to make
Speaker 1: sure you say Tyler and not not Tyrant. Tyler Tyrant.
Speaker 1: So anyway, so that would be that's when we get
Speaker 1: concerned about Tyrn's Tyrn Smith's back tightness. If they start
Speaker 1: working Tyler Smith at left tackle, although they want, well
Speaker 1: let's go to be the swing tackle. They think he's
Speaker 1: got the ability play left and right. Uh, they're looking
Speaker 1: at balls a backup right tackle, Terrence Steel. I'd love
Speaker 1: to see this guy get in and play man ball.
Speaker 1: Just get just to see right quality time. I want
Speaker 1: to say, some quality time. Well, you'll get it in preseason.
Speaker 1: And you've got you've got two tackles now that are
Speaker 1: both six to eight right balls. If I remember correctly,
Speaker 1: that was that was his size. Um, I don't want
Speaker 1: to be too big. I want to make sure that
Speaker 1: can see I mean he's going the ball and that
Speaker 1: they can move well enough they're both get out the
Speaker 1: way they're both Yeah, well that'll that'll that'll take care
Speaker 1: of your blind side because you won't be able to
Speaker 1: see over there. So anyway, I have a I have
Speaker 1: a question. You know me, I'm a YouTube guy. If
Speaker 1: you don't know it, now you know it. Now say
Speaker 1: the Cowboys signed Quandre Mosley. Is that true? Tell me
Speaker 1: about this guy? Yes? That talking about the guy defensive back.
Speaker 1: I don't know if Chris number thirty seven, thirty six
Speaker 1: four point three forty year, thirty nine, number thirty nine
Speaker 1: corner yesterday I was asking, Yes, I was just asking
Speaker 1: if if spack Nola saw him out there. Obviously you didn't.
Speaker 1: He's looking at his notes. But a Kentucky Yeah, they
Speaker 1: talked about another one out of Kentucky. It's a rookie
Speaker 1: free agent. What the hell's wrong with that? So it's Mark,
Speaker 1: you got you gotta go. You gotta show up for
Speaker 1: you before I'm gonna re memoriz. I thought, I thought,
Speaker 1: maybe with a point. Here's the difference. Here the here's
Speaker 1: the difference. Markispell got a little bit of money when
Speaker 1: he signed as a rookie free agent, right and Quandre hasn't.
Speaker 1: He got fifteen thousand dollars there you god, yeah, was
Speaker 1: there going to guarantee? They guaranteed him a full year's
Speaker 1: salary on the practice squad. Okay, So basically it's like, Okay,
Speaker 1: we think you're good enough to at least make the
Speaker 1: p actor squad will give you eighteen weeks of pay,
Speaker 1: which comes to about now now eighteen weeks. Well you
Speaker 1: thought about eighteen times. What it's like almost two hundred,
Speaker 1: two hundred thousand nice things. There you go. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: every soon, would you like to just be a practice
Speaker 1: squad quarterback? I've been saying that for a long time. Sure,
Speaker 1: I said that last season. Remember I was upset about
Speaker 1: what they're getting just to be on the practice squad.
Speaker 1: Give me a break. They can have a fifteen hundred
Speaker 1: dollars get about his signing bonus last fifteen hundred Gil
Speaker 1: could take that. But my boy, Mosley that I have
Speaker 1: some good stuff on him. He's okay. Six career games.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna keep an eye. He only started like four starts.
Speaker 1: Three year career in Kentucky. Sixty nine tackles, three tackles
Speaker 1: for loss, He got sacked, ten breakups. So yeah, you
Speaker 1: could just see he's just one of those young guys.
Speaker 1: Came over from wide receiver and decided, you know what,
Speaker 1: maybe I can play defensive back. So we'll see Kentucky
Speaker 1: Pro Day four three two forty. Oh there you go. Yeah,
Speaker 1: thirty six inch vertical uh, and he's about six one
Speaker 1: six two. But he didn't get drafted. Huh didn't I
Speaker 1: get No, he just didn't have He just didn't have
Speaker 1: enough time because he comes from a wide receiver. So
Speaker 1: I'd just like to keep out this young man. See
Speaker 1: what the heck he's doing. You never know where those
Speaker 1: diamonds in the buff come from. So the other thing
Speaker 1: I think that stood out was, Uh, you know, I
Speaker 1: think everybody's somewhat worried about the wide receiver position and
Speaker 1: knowing that Michael Gallup is not working out. They lose
Speaker 1: Amari Cooper, they lose Cedric Wilson, so it's assumed that
Speaker 1: ceedee lamb number one guy. And Uh, I like the
Speaker 1: way he talked about it with a lot of confidence,
Speaker 1: saying that's always been my goal to be the number
Speaker 1: one receiver. Uh. Now without Gallop there, James Washington shows
Speaker 1: up with a walking boot on his left foot. Great,
Speaker 1: and he's not practicing. Turns out he's got a strained
Speaker 1: tendon in his left foot. Uh. They don't think he'll
Speaker 1: be out too long. But he wasn't out there. But
Speaker 1: at least you got to see the third round picked
Speaker 1: Jalen Tilbert making lots of plays out there. Fortunately, Tulbert
Speaker 1: was working with Britt Brown doing rehab on the chores.
Speaker 1: I know he helped me out transition there. Right, So
Speaker 1: when they first went out, it was Ceedee Lamb, Noah Brown,
Speaker 1: and Semi Fijokow Semi looking. He caught a couple of passes. Okay,
Speaker 1: I have high hopes for him, but he didn't get
Speaker 1: to play last year, and so I want to see
Speaker 1: what he's got the other So the rest of the
Speaker 1: receivers that were out there had a total of sixteen catches. Well,
Speaker 1: you hope you have enough up that your fifth round
Speaker 1: draft pick doesn't have to play a rookie year. But apparently,
Speaker 1: as it stands right now, if they were to play
Speaker 1: a game this Sunday on Memorial Day weekend, your starting
Speaker 1: wide receivers would be Ceedee Lamb, Noah Brown, and Semi
Speaker 1: pe Hoko. That's right, if they started to tomorrow. So
Speaker 1: it didn't sound like sound like Jalen Tilbert would be
Speaker 1: Mike McCarthy said he'd be back next week. So but yeah,
Speaker 1: it wasn't a good visual at the wide receiver position,
Speaker 1: knowing what you had lost and what you were hoping for,
Speaker 1: and then Tilbert's not practicing and James Washington. It's not practicing.
Speaker 1: Washington evidently didn't seem too concerned about it, So we'll
Speaker 1: see where that one goes. So you're good with the
Speaker 1: depth that's at the receiver position, buggers or a need
Speaker 1: to go get someone who I think them playing experience.
Speaker 1: I think they're going to keep an eye on it.
Speaker 1: Is there a history of Washington's injury that particularly injury
Speaker 1: now I don't believe so, or at least I didn't
Speaker 1: hear about it, So it didn't seem like they were
Speaker 1: overly concerned. But you would like him out there, were
Speaker 1: working as much as he can at this time with
Speaker 1: Dak Prescott, who last year at this time, you know,
Speaker 1: they were keeping close tabs on him because he was
Speaker 1: still rehabbing from his surgery, his ankle surgery. But he
Speaker 1: was moving around a little and moving pretty well. But again,
Speaker 1: you know this will be you know, he hadn't had
Speaker 1: an off season like this, so that certainly helps him out, uh,
Speaker 1: to actually be out there or working with these guys
Speaker 1: that that they you know, didn't have that opportunity much
Speaker 1: last year. I know, if he's up to him, he
Speaker 1: worked the hell out of him and this offseason you know,
Speaker 1: just ing sure, we have timing you just I mean,
Speaker 1: he's got to work with all the wide receivers considering
Speaker 1: the many possibilities that they're out there. You know, they
Speaker 1: had a couple other guys not working out, Carlos watching Osa,
Speaker 1: Odigi Zua had a quad strain, and then you know
Speaker 1: Jaquon Hardy and ric o'dowdell were working with Brits, so
Speaker 1: they had some sort of sprains. Davante Bond, a rookie
Speaker 1: free agent back Glahoma, he wipped off at one point
Speaker 1: he was kind of holding I think it was his
Speaker 1: right knee. And Alex Lindstrom, another rookie free agent offensive lineman,
Speaker 1: had an appendectomy. And then we know Jabril Cox and
Speaker 1: Damon Clark are still rehabbing from their surgeries. So there
Speaker 1: it is. There is your first Open Ota injury, which
Speaker 1: when Mike was asked about a couple of the injuries,
Speaker 1: he goes, what we got to do injury ports for jeez?
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Speaker 1: when you were hosting the show a week ago. Did
Speaker 1: Chris Hall do the reads? No, Everson Walls stepped to
Speaker 1: the plate. Did now knocked it out the box? Base?
Speaker 1: I bet you did right slow motion, but it wins
Speaker 1: the race, thank you very much. I would call that
Speaker 1: from winning the watching cartoons. Don't don't, don't don't mention
Speaker 1: that to Rich Rich strike. By the way, now I'm
Speaker 1: looking at these roosters here, this this jersey, So all
Speaker 1: these guys. Kelvin Joseph's got number one, Jordan Lewis's jersey.
Speaker 1: He was your number last year. Yeah, I know. And
Speaker 1: now you've got some guy named Israel muh number twenty four. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he seventh round picked last year. He was in his
Speaker 1: I think a thirty. Where do you come from? South Carolina?
Speaker 1: South Carolina? Yeah, he played corner in safety in college
Speaker 1: at South Carolina and they moved him to safety. Yeah,
Speaker 1: all right, I'm looking at kid, big guy. But yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: So Kelvin Joseph's wearing number one, Jordan Lewis is now
Speaker 1: wearing number two, Anthony Brown is now wearing number three,
Speaker 1: and other dbs of course, Donovan Wilson last year War
Speaker 1: six and Treyvon seven. So what do you think about
Speaker 1: the single digit dbs. I love it, I really do.
Speaker 1: I call I called the corny earlier. But anything that
Speaker 1: can confuse quarterbacks, I love it. They don't know where
Speaker 1: they're coming from, they don't know whose numbers who I
Speaker 1: think I'm more I'm more happy with the linebackers having
Speaker 1: these small, low numbers because that really confuses a lot
Speaker 1: of quarterbacks. You got Michael Pauses up there, is he
Speaker 1: gonna be linebacker or a defensive end? Then you got
Speaker 1: uh Wilson Dophin. Wilson might come up and show in
Speaker 1: a blitz, then he might be back in the middle
Speaker 1: of the field. You know, you've got Jabril Cox number fourteen.
Speaker 1: You know what linebacker was? Number fourteen? He can't be
Speaker 1: a linebacker. Oh there's the blitz. You see what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So that's why Tom Brady was complaining. I love it.
Speaker 1: I love it. I love it. I really If I
Speaker 1: would have been able to do that, I would have
Speaker 1: kept my number nine from Grammy state you are number nine,
Speaker 1: number nine? Who had nine when you were here? Uh?
Speaker 1: Anybody no Mitch Hoops? Yeah, beat somebody like Mitch. So
Speaker 1: this was this was. This was funny when we were
Speaker 1: talking to Cede lamb Uh. His locker now is next
Speaker 1: to Das at Dak's request. Uh. And so somebody said, well,
Speaker 1: where was your locker And I was thinking, yeah, where
Speaker 1: was it? And he mentioned, oh, it's over there where
Speaker 1: Braylon Jones is. And I'm going, I don't remember seeing
Speaker 1: him there. It's like, no, because I wasn't in the
Speaker 1: locker room his first two years in the National Football All.
Speaker 1: That's right because of COVID uh in twenty twenty, right,
Speaker 1: so I have no idea where his stuff was. And
Speaker 1: may Cooper, Ah, so he's replaced you and so did
Speaker 1: they have a ceremony? Yeah? So, And then I was
Speaker 1: looking for Dalton Scholtz. Well, the last time I would
Speaker 1: have talked to Dalton Scholtz in the locker room, he
Speaker 1: was next to the little walkway that goes into the
Speaker 1: showers stalls, right. I looked over there and it's like, well,
Speaker 1: where's Dalton Schultz. Well, he's way down the other end
Speaker 1: of the of the locker room. And then dawned on
Speaker 1: the other side of that, and then it dawned on me.
Speaker 1: It's like, yeah, you know, other than when I was
Speaker 1: here with the rookies. I hadn't been in the locker
Speaker 1: room with the veterans the last well, it had been
Speaker 1: the day after they got beat uh in the playoff
Speaker 1: game after the twenty ninth was twenty. No, it was
Speaker 1: the last game of the season twenty nineteen, right when
Speaker 1: they finished eight and eight. That was the last time
Speaker 1: we'd been. Because all the other interviews have been outdoors.
Speaker 1: Basically one person comes out, everybody interviews them. So you
Speaker 1: actually had an opportunity to walk by and like talk
Speaker 1: to somebody without twenty people with you. Uh. It was
Speaker 1: a little different, but it felt right at least. So
Speaker 1: what did it did? Did look any different? I mean
Speaker 1: besides people getting moved in dinner, just moved around. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Dak was in the same place, you know. And then
Speaker 1: a lot of the early conversation, especially with Dak and
Speaker 1: de Marcus Lawrence, Uh, it was about the tragan and
Speaker 1: Uvaldi Uh and uh, you know, somebody somebody asked, Dak,
Speaker 1: is somebody going to tell you, you know, stick to sports,
Speaker 1: don't be talking about other stuff? He goes, I don't
Speaker 1: think anybody's ignorant enough to say that to me. Just
Speaker 1: like that, I thought that was pretty good, and you know,
Speaker 1: and and the other thing he said that you know
Speaker 1: it was I mean, it stuck out. He was talking about,
Speaker 1: you know, gosh, we got to be scared to send
Speaker 1: our kids to school. He said, I'm almost fearful now
Speaker 1: to have kids. You know, I don't have any right. Um,
Speaker 1: and DeMarcus Lawrence talked about how tough it was to
Speaker 1: send his kids back to school. He's got three four
Speaker 1: something like that, and uh said he'd you know, he'd
Speaker 1: get into the locker room and call his wife. Everything okay,
Speaker 1: everything good, you know, so uh yeah, there was a
Speaker 1: lot of talk about, uh, the effect of what happened
Speaker 1: there with the nineteen murders. To this point, you don't
Speaker 1: have to twenty one nineteen kids kids, right, You don't
Speaker 1: have to have kids, just like Dak doesn't have kids
Speaker 1: to empathize. Of course, people always talk about how, you know,
Speaker 1: you can relate because you're kind of in a similar situation,
Speaker 1: but you really don't have to be. You know, the
Speaker 1: tragedy is the tragedy itself. So well, we've all had
Speaker 1: kids exactly, and you think back, I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: if you're a parent, I mean, gosh, and even Mike
Speaker 1: McCarthy told us afterwards that, you know, they had talked
Speaker 1: about him giving an opening statement when he did his
Speaker 1: press conference, and he said that he said, I can't.
Speaker 1: I don't think I can do it. He said, I'll
Speaker 1: get too emotional. Well, he got asked the question, and
Speaker 1: he got about thirty seconds into it and he started
Speaker 1: getting real emotional, talking about yeah, I've got, you know,
Speaker 1: a daughter of fourth grade or whatever, and he needed
Speaker 1: a few moments, and two or three times he stopped,
Speaker 1: and he was he was he was pretty broken up
Speaker 1: just thinking about it, right, And then I think towards
Speaker 1: the end of when he finished it, he goes, well,
Speaker 1: I'm irish, and when we get old, we cry alt. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I said, Italian guys say, we all kind of
Speaker 1: cry more at this age. Yeah, you know, it just
Speaker 1: not just the kids, everybody. I worry about that. Like
Speaker 1: my wife works at them all, you know. I mean,
Speaker 1: you got people shooting up grocery stores and churches and
Speaker 1: and all of that. So you know, just to be
Speaker 1: in to just think of that in any situation, it's
Speaker 1: really kind of tough, you know, Like you said, call
Speaker 1: your wife. I mean I talked to him. I called
Speaker 1: almost every day at work, you know, just to check in,
Speaker 1: especially when I'm board and see what's going on. But
Speaker 1: otherwise you worry about any situation where a lot of
Speaker 1: people in place and can't be hurt. Uh, and being
Speaker 1: this this precarious situation just from going to work, just
Speaker 1: going to school, and I think the church and for
Speaker 1: these guys, I think the door opened Tuesday evening when
Speaker 1: Steve Kerr stood up there before the game. I don't
Speaker 1: know if you were there. He had to cover it,
Speaker 1: but he opened the door and just you know, went off.
Speaker 1: And and people need to understand there's no division between
Speaker 1: reality and sports, right, it overlaps. These guys are living lives, right,
Speaker 1: not just playing sports. And and I was glad Dak
Speaker 1: said that it's like, don't even you know, insult me
Speaker 1: that I can't have a say. I think when with fans,
Speaker 1: fans often come to a sports event to escape, right,
Speaker 1: They watch it to escape. Well, the people that you're watching,
Speaker 1: they're not robots, they're people as well, So what's their escape? Yeah,
Speaker 1: you understand. And when you're talking about Steve Kirk with
Speaker 1: the history that he has, if I'm not mistaken, his
Speaker 1: father was killed in a terrorist accident or something like that,
Speaker 1: so assassinated. I mean, so that has never been with
Speaker 1: a kid, that's his dad, and yet he still can
Speaker 1: feel it. So, uh, you know, the kids. Of course,
Speaker 1: that's the main tragedy of it. But you know, I
Speaker 1: think the other tragedy is where can we be safe?
Speaker 1: That's the problem. It's like I was at the ac
Speaker 1: getting ready to do a live shot at four o'clock
Speaker 1: on the Mavericks Warriors game, and I'm sitting there on
Speaker 1: that Tuesday, on that Tuesday, and I'm like, and it
Speaker 1: And I think everyone once you when you hear about it,
Speaker 1: and I just heard about it. Probably I was driving
Speaker 1: to the arena heard about it, and it's like, you
Speaker 1: got this such a sick feeling in the pity of
Speaker 1: your stomach. You don't even feel like doing whatever it
Speaker 1: is you're assigned to do at that moment, you know, stop. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean it's just like and Neui scrugs, and I
Speaker 1: and uh, Mike Leslie, We're all on the side on
Speaker 1: the sideline getting ready to do and fortunately they didn't
Speaker 1: come to us, obviously because they were covering that event.
Speaker 1: And we're like, why come does anyone I mean, this
Speaker 1: is so trivial compared to what just happened. It what
Speaker 1: Bill Jones had said, right right, and we're supposed to Yeah,
Speaker 1: I had to do a radio segment. I have one
Speaker 1: every Tuesday late afternoon with the radio station and Tyler KTBB,
Speaker 1: and I was like, I don't want to do this.
Speaker 1: I don't know if I can. Fortunately the subject didn't
Speaker 1: come up because I don't know if I would have
Speaker 1: been able to talk about well. And that's the way
Speaker 1: I'm handling it right now. I'm not watching any of
Speaker 1: it because I'm I'm sitting there. I don't want to
Speaker 1: put my brain around this evil that happened. You know,
Speaker 1: I don't want to and so it's too sickening to
Speaker 1: even hear the stories about it. Yet. Well, they when
Speaker 1: I was watching the news that night, UM one of
Speaker 1: the stations had a very young, a female female man
Speaker 1: that I was going to bring that and I was like,
Speaker 1: she doesn't have enough experience to do this, and she
Speaker 1: she got fifteen seconds in two yes, ready to break down.
Speaker 1: She kind of did. I mean, you're in there, you're seeing,
Speaker 1: you're around all these people that are mourning, and it
Speaker 1: just gets into here. You could just feel it around.
Speaker 1: You could see it around her, and there's no way
Speaker 1: she was going to escape that. I saw that, and
Speaker 1: to me, it just kind of lends to the tragedy,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, just how bad it is
Speaker 1: and how much it effects everyone. I mean, what was
Speaker 1: she probably twenty five years old, maybe she's just out
Speaker 1: of high school seven years and you know, she's looking
Speaker 1: at this and yeah, I thought that was very poignant
Speaker 1: because it showed the emotion. I'm glad she broke down
Speaker 1: like that, because sometimes you can't just be you can't
Speaker 1: just do your job. Yeah, you know, sometimes showing that
Speaker 1: emotion was her doing her job. That to me displayed
Speaker 1: the tragedy itself. That was a mirror of what the
Speaker 1: tragedy was. So I was and she got herself together,
Speaker 1: she pulled it together. She did a good job, and
Speaker 1: she passed it onto somebody as they came back to it,
Speaker 1: you know, and she was a little bit more steady.
Speaker 1: And the good thing was when they passed it on
Speaker 1: to the veteran report she covered first. That just shows
Speaker 1: you the emotional and I thought that was pretty perfect.
Speaker 1: I don't know if a female would have done that,
Speaker 1: but a female reporter I remember when you know. I
Speaker 1: was in the practice facility when the roof came down
Speaker 1: and I had just started doing stuff at the fan,
Speaker 1: and they immediately called me and they wanted, you know,
Speaker 1: go on the air and talk about it. I said,
Speaker 1: you know what, you're gonna have to give me a
Speaker 1: few moments. I don't think emotionally I can come out
Speaker 1: there and speak without making you know, and it's a
Speaker 1: full on site on site. Your dreading was too going.
Speaker 1: So we waited an hour, right, and then I went
Speaker 1: on and I was still saying a little bit of
Speaker 1: problem talking about it, knowing you know, what had happened
Speaker 1: and what could have been and so yeah, it's a
Speaker 1: it's a tough thing, all right. We'll continue with the
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Speaker 1: want to look at the number ninees in Cowboys history.
Speaker 1: I was trying to think back quarter quarterback head. I
Speaker 1: mentioned Mitch Hoops, Did you did yes? Nineteen seventy five,
Speaker 1: Mitch Hoops wore number nine, putter so and when you
Speaker 1: became a Dallas Cowboy, number nine was available if they
Speaker 1: let cornerbacks wear number nine back then, Because the next
Speaker 1: number nine in Cowboys history as far as a regular
Speaker 1: season now, they might have been a number nine in
Speaker 1: the preseason, but the list in the media guide is
Speaker 1: just the guys that made the regular season roster. Roger
Speaker 1: Rusick kicker nineteen to one, of your teammates nineteen eighty
Speaker 1: seven to eighty nine, and then Cooper Cup's dad or
Speaker 1: number nine nineteen ninety one with the Cowboys very briefly,
Speaker 1: and of course Rodney Pete right, and then Daniel Gonzalez
Speaker 1: in nineteen ninety eight. Now my number before twenty four,
Speaker 1: they just threw me anything. I think they actually had
Speaker 1: a whole in the dawn. Jason, twenty four should have
Speaker 1: been a wanted number. That's I mean, that's very cool.
Speaker 1: They didn't ask me what the hell I wanted. Look up,
Speaker 1: you look at me, SAgs undrafted free day, just say
Speaker 1: we're at the crap and they threw me on number
Speaker 1: twenty seven. And I had number twenty seven. Ron Fellows
Speaker 1: almost all through training camp. Ron did not have twenty seven.
Speaker 1: I don't know what. I can't remember what he had
Speaker 1: in training camp. It wasn't twenty seven. I had twenty seven.
Speaker 1: He ended up with twenty four and twenty four, I
Speaker 1: had twenty seven. Remember he was a wide receiver, well
Speaker 1: so so did he come in a zoo wide receiver?
Speaker 1: Came in as a d was a wide receiver at Missouri. Right,
Speaker 1: They drafted him and said we're gonna so he would
Speaker 1: have had a dB number. He would have had dB.
Speaker 1: I can't remember when he came into They didn't think
Speaker 1: he was gonna make it, and so they gave him
Speaker 1: thirty eight. He was a draft he was seven. You
Speaker 1: didn't drafted out of Missouri your name? He was seven eight? Yeah,
Speaker 1: and Ken Miller from mister State was seven bat that's
Speaker 1: what they called him. Seven seven first first, seventh round,
Speaker 1: thick seconds. And by the way, he was a pretty
Speaker 1: good wide receiver in college, was he really? Yeah? Yes
Speaker 1: he was. He was, you know, one of those things speed.
Speaker 1: He's got the uh. I told him he got the
Speaker 1: inverted thing because hearts on his right side. I did
Speaker 1: not know his heart on he's got there. I saw
Speaker 1: it on the TV. Really, yes, he legitimately has his
Speaker 1: everything is like reverse. I guess you know. It's it's rare,
Speaker 1: but no big deal. There's no uh, you know danger.
Speaker 1: As long as it's work, it still works. They don't
Speaker 1: know how, but it still works. By the way, that
Speaker 1: year the two Missouri guys got drafted first round. Party
Speaker 1: Howard Richards. That's right, how Richard. He was doing, by
Speaker 1: the way, analyst radio. He's the radio network analyst host
Speaker 1: for Missouri now and he was he was working with
Speaker 1: the FBI at one point, if I'm not mistaken. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: he was a big time. He was pretty sharp, he was.
Speaker 1: He's still a good guy, still a good Eric. Eric
Speaker 1: Wright got drafted in eighty one. Also, now that guy there,
Speaker 1: that's the that's the savior of the San Francisco game,
Speaker 1: right there, got Drew from behind. Drew that's the savior
Speaker 1: with the finger a finger today it would be called
Speaker 1: the horse sky to tackle. Yeah, that's just how close.
Speaker 1: It was very interesting. All right, all right, so um
Speaker 1: to two more things I got on your legal pad. Um,
Speaker 1: we're empty. You know we were talking about we were
Speaker 1: talking about how they were kind of looking for tight ends, right,
Speaker 1: they needed help at tight end. If you look at
Speaker 1: your list here there are six tight ends that were
Speaker 1: on the field. Uh last wow, yesterday, not only Dalton Schultz,
Speaker 1: but you know, their fourth round picked Jake Ferguson, Jeremy
Speaker 1: Sprinkle came back, actually had a couple of catches, uh yesterday,
Speaker 1: Ian Bunting uh and Sean McEwan and then Peyton hender
Speaker 1: Shot was a rookie free agent. So wait, wait, wait,
Speaker 1: you can't mention nine. Very nice, you're not explaining from Indiana.
Speaker 1: Hayden is so uh yeah, they're they're, you know, making
Speaker 1: sure And Ferguson looks the part. Now they gave him,
Speaker 1: they gave him forty eight. But I give him credit
Speaker 1: that he in his rookie interview, or maybe it was
Speaker 1: last week in his interview, he knew that Darryl Johnston
Speaker 1: had forty eight. So sharp kid, right, he knows it's
Speaker 1: cowboys here. So so uh yeah, you hadn't even seen
Speaker 1: these guys do anything, have you? Now? Now you don't
Speaker 1: even know anything about these guys at all. I mean,
Speaker 1: I know, you know a couple of guys that I
Speaker 1: might have looked up. But Hendershot had forty six catches
Speaker 1: and four touchdowns for Indian last year. Right, Well, there
Speaker 1: we go. We'll keep an eye on him. They had
Speaker 1: a decent season last year, didn't they. Yes, they did. Um.
Speaker 1: The other thing I think of note in the Cowboys
Speaker 1: haven't done this in a while. Um. This training camp
Speaker 1: there we have two planned scrimmages. First with Denver. So
Speaker 1: the first preseason game is at Denver and they're gonna
Speaker 1: go a couple days early and have a scrimmage two
Speaker 1: days before the game with the Broncos. And then the
Speaker 1: second preseason game is uh they break in camp. They're
Speaker 1: going to La No La to play the Charger play
Speaker 1: the Charge the camp in uh, California, the Raiders, Oh no,
Speaker 1: I'm sure not okay after moving there, okay, uh, And
Speaker 1: they're gonna scrimmage the Chargers twice, uh, and then have
Speaker 1: a day off and then play the final preseason game
Speaker 1: or the final road preseason game, and then head home.
Speaker 1: They don't play them in the regular season. Correct the
Speaker 1: Chargers not this year? Good? But they did they did
Speaker 1: last year. So so H McCarthy said, he really hasn't
Speaker 1: done this before, but after they did it with the
Speaker 1: Rams last year, and he said, talking to some of
Speaker 1: the other coaches felt like it was a good idea.
Speaker 1: He well, you mean they haven't done this. He hadn't
Speaker 1: scrimmaged teams before. Really, Yeah, he did back in the nineties, Yeah,
Speaker 1: he said, but not as a head coach. He did
Speaker 1: it when he was in Kansas that recently, but because
Speaker 1: I thought that was the norm. I mean, they had
Speaker 1: been doing it, but not since he didn't do it
Speaker 1: is his first year. I guess, well the pandemic. The
Speaker 1: Cowboys had did it with the Rams, remember that that
Speaker 1: year they called off the second one because of the
Speaker 1: I was going to call it a riot. It was
Speaker 1: like a rocket Jeff Fishers Rams. They had a melee
Speaker 1: out there, right. Yeah. That and the footy thing about
Speaker 1: that is so I was over on the field that
Speaker 1: it didn't start on. I was watching the Cowboys offense, right,
Speaker 1: and it started, and they were in goal line, right,
Speaker 1: and all the Rams, all but one guy, it was
Speaker 1: a veteran linebacker, all but one guy. Their whole defense
Speaker 1: ran on the other field. Romo brought the Cowboys to
Speaker 1: the light of Cerramids and hiked the ball and went
Speaker 1: in for a touchdown, right. And then we were running
Speaker 1: over into the other field, and I remember somebody yelling
Speaker 1: at us to get back. I said, don't be worried
Speaker 1: about me. I said, you got sixty guys out there
Speaker 1: swinging at each other, right, Uh, that was that was
Speaker 1: scarydown against no defense. There was one guy it was
Speaker 1: a linebacker. Yeah, it was funny, but I don't think
Speaker 1: anybody saw it because everybody was running to the field.
Speaker 1: But you know the bad part was is it spilled
Speaker 1: over to the fence on the side of the field
Speaker 1: where the fans are, and the fans were standing there
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden they started like swinging at
Speaker 1: the players. Why that Raider fans are Rams fans? I
Speaker 1: should say? So? Wait, you know the way Bill gave
Speaker 1: me this little notation here, you said, Jeff Fisher's rams.
Speaker 1: Uh huh? What does that mean? You trying to chest versions?
Speaker 1: They were? They came not they came floated for bear,
Speaker 1: It's it's a it's a training camp practice. What is
Speaker 1: the deal? Right? Is he trying? Was he trying to
Speaker 1: prove something? That was that his first year with no? No, No,
Speaker 1: he'd been there for too late. I think it was.
Speaker 1: I want to say I think it was his last year.
Speaker 1: He probably was well because the case point that they
Speaker 1: were recorded to the coach that replaced him, he's done
Speaker 1: pretty well. And yes he had, Yes he was. And
Speaker 1: by the way, Eric Jeferson is still coming to the games.
Speaker 1: But if you would call, he's still gaining yards on
Speaker 1: the Cowboys. Stop stop. I still have nightmares. Okay, but
Speaker 1: I think I had the year wrong. I said it
Speaker 1: was like twenty seventeen. That's why I said it was
Speaker 1: Jeff Fisher's Rams. Well, he ended up going off on
Speaker 1: Eric as well. He said, Eric, should you know Eric
Speaker 1: was trying to criticize him or whatever, and he said
Speaker 1: Eric shouldn't be on the sidelines. He said, hey, can't
Speaker 1: get the ticket to the game, and he said, Eric
Speaker 1: doesn't belong on the sidelines. And next thing you know,
Speaker 1: Fish is gone and I think Eric is now in
Speaker 1: the front office. So amazing how that happened. Then, So anyway,
Speaker 1: the Cowboys are going to have two scrimmages m and
Speaker 1: they're both gonna be away ones. Last year was a
Speaker 1: home one against the Rams. The other thing is is
Speaker 1: the UH. The NFL and the NFLPA made a change
Speaker 1: to UH injured reserve. For the last two years because
Speaker 1: of COVID, guys only had to spend three weeks on
Speaker 1: IR and then they were eligible to come back UH.
Speaker 1: This year, it's gonna be four weeks and you're only
Speaker 1: eligible to bring back eight guys off of IR, and
Speaker 1: you could bring back the same guy as many as
Speaker 1: two times, but he both times count against your said again, okay,
Speaker 1: so you there's a limit now on how many guys
Speaker 1: can return from injury reserve. Interesting, So, and that was
Speaker 1: it was too previous to COVID, right, and you had
Speaker 1: to designate them when you put them on IR that
Speaker 1: they are IR return And during COVID it was unlimited, unlimited,
Speaker 1: they set out three games, but they can come back
Speaker 1: after three games exactly. Now it's limited to eight and
Speaker 1: but you have to miss four weeks, which was you
Speaker 1: can make eight moves. Eight moves, okay, our return moves
Speaker 1: and four weeks is what it was when you were playing. Uh.
Speaker 1: And then the team started taking advantage of that, coming
Speaker 1: up with phony injuries to preserve a guy's rights and figuring, okay,
Speaker 1: in four weeks, somebody else is going to get hurt
Speaker 1: and I could bring this guy back, right, And they
Speaker 1: actually started bringing the NFL would bring independent medical person
Speaker 1: to view practice to make sure guys on IR weren't
Speaker 1: practicing and make sure that they actually had an injury.
Speaker 1: Because there was one year, I don't remember who it was,
Speaker 1: there was a quarterback. They wanted to keep his rights.
Speaker 1: And they were playing a preseason game against Denver and
Speaker 1: they basically told this quarterback, when you take this snap,
Speaker 1: we want you to roll out towards our sideline because
Speaker 1: our cameras are going to be up there on that
Speaker 1: side of the field, and grab your hamstring as you
Speaker 1: He forgot to grab his hamstring. And I'm going Okay,
Speaker 1: if he can't remember that, plays aren't gonna work. Plays
Speaker 1: aren't going to wow. Okay, now you're talking about IR.
Speaker 1: Like during the season, a player gets hurt and goes
Speaker 1: on IR. And now it is four games four weeks,
Speaker 1: not games four weeks from the from the moment you
Speaker 1: put them on. Okay, what about PUP? And and this
Speaker 1: this relates to Michael Gallup because in the past, if
Speaker 1: you went on PUP prior to the season starting, right you,
Speaker 1: it was six weeks six weeks, and so Michael Gallup
Speaker 1: would have to miss six if coming up an ACL,
Speaker 1: if you put him on PUP, he would be it
Speaker 1: would be he would miss six weeks to start the season.
Speaker 1: What is it now? It didn't say PUP. It said
Speaker 1: I'm non football injury. All right, here's five. Here's here's
Speaker 1: what I've got. I just I'm I'm just seeing a
Speaker 1: memo that's been released to the clubs or whatever sent
Speaker 1: to the clubs players who are placed on reserve physically
Speaker 1: unable to perform or reserve non football In mine didn't
Speaker 1: say or at or after the roster production to eighty players, right,
Speaker 1: So that is back in preseason because I can't remember
Speaker 1: what the date is, but I'm not that's not the
Speaker 1: last it's not the fifty three man but so it's
Speaker 1: prior to the fifty three man roster, which is equivalent
Speaker 1: to what the what has been done in the past
Speaker 1: as far as PUP goes will continue to count again.
Speaker 1: Such players may begin a twenty one day practice period
Speaker 1: or be activated after four regular season games. So not
Speaker 1: so it's reduced. So in the case of Michael Gallup,
Speaker 1: the new PUP rules are that he doesn't have to
Speaker 1: sit out six games and be active on the seventh game.
Speaker 1: He can be ready on the fifth game of the season,
Speaker 1: which is the Cowboys opened against Tampa Bay and Cincinnati,
Speaker 1: then at the Giants Washington, and then October ninth at
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl champion Los Angeles Rams. But if Michael
Speaker 1: Gallup is placed on pup and he will be four
Speaker 1: and I can guarantee you he will be right. But
Speaker 1: you also have that twenty one day window to decide
Speaker 1: if you want him to start practicing, and then once
Speaker 1: he starts, it could extend eight weeks into the season
Speaker 1: and you start that twenty one day win can actually
Speaker 1: extend I just threw that out seven. You could extend
Speaker 1: it nine weeks. So what I'm saying is the earliest
Speaker 1: if they put Gallop on pup, the earliest he will
Speaker 1: be able to play in a game is week five
Speaker 1: at the ramp, right, And you wouldn't do that because
Speaker 1: you can't practice when you're on pup. So chances are
Speaker 1: if you're coming off a torn acl and you're out
Speaker 1: the first four weeks, you can't practice, right, you can't
Speaker 1: practice in training camp, So he's not going to practice
Speaker 1: three times and go play a game. So you have
Speaker 1: twenty one days to decide when he's going to start practicing,
Speaker 1: and then after that you get another two weeks to
Speaker 1: practice before you got to say, Okay, we're either putting
Speaker 1: him on the rawster or he stays on for the
Speaker 1: rest of the year. I want to hear that Lad
Speaker 1: so you can stretch it out to like ten weeks
Speaker 1: almost before you have to make a serious decision. Uh.
Speaker 1: The other change they made, and it was, uh, sixteen
Speaker 1: players on the practice squad during COVID, it's going to
Speaker 1: be fourteen. And now you can elevate a practice a
Speaker 1: person from the practice squad a maximum of three times.
Speaker 1: Prior to that, it was only twice, so you can
Speaker 1: move them without having to go back through free agency
Speaker 1: or waivers to get back on the practice squad. So
Speaker 1: that's another one. And now they've even come up with
Speaker 1: ramp time periods during training camp, those first three or
Speaker 1: four days where you're not allowed to put pads on
Speaker 1: and you were supposed to only get two hours on
Speaker 1: the field. Now they've reduced that to ninety minutes on
Speaker 1: day two, one hundred and five minutes on day three,
Speaker 1: and two hours the final two days. Oh man, that's crazy.
Speaker 1: So let's practice now, huh yes, wow, this must be tough,
Speaker 1: and then you can put the pads on. Yes, that's
Speaker 1: so cool. And practice squad same sixteen fourteen? Oh no,
Speaker 1: what would I say? Sixteen? It was fourteen before COVID
Speaker 1: now and then it was sixteen and they're going to
Speaker 1: keep it at six and you can and a maximum
Speaker 1: of six veteran players can be on the practice squad.
Speaker 1: That's the key on there, where you can actually have
Speaker 1: veteran players on the practice squad. Of course, they're subject
Speaker 1: to being picked off by another team, right, just like
Speaker 1: any practice player is. So yeah, I'm sure if you're
Speaker 1: putting a veteran there and someone comes to try to
Speaker 1: poach them, it's like, okay, you can go, but we
Speaker 1: can pay you the minimum for three weeks. It's so
Speaker 1: much better having the four week ir yes, rather than
Speaker 1: the old I mean for years it was just you
Speaker 1: could only go one guy on right, Then it was two,
Speaker 1: and then it was two. But before that it was made.
Speaker 1: It was the season. And I understand the stashing part
Speaker 1: of it whatever, but there it made no as much
Speaker 1: money as invested in these players. And a guy gets
Speaker 1: hurt week one could come back ten weeks later. You
Speaker 1: got multiple guys that are in that category. It didn't
Speaker 1: make any sense, you know, as long as the season is,
Speaker 1: especially now. So the other point I was going to
Speaker 1: make also the Raiders working out Colin Kaepernick, ah saw it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So here's what's changed Prior to this. I'd never heard
Speaker 1: him say he was willing to be the backup quarterback
Speaker 1: right now, or make the backup quarterback now. And that's
Speaker 1: my next question. Now he's saying, I'm willing to be
Speaker 1: the backup quarterback. Do you want to make backup quarterback
Speaker 1: pay or do you think you're coming back and making
Speaker 1: nine million dollars a year. Well, that's a big difference
Speaker 1: between two thousand and seventeen and twenty twenty one, twenty
Speaker 1: twenty two. Right, you know, things change, I mean everything
Speaker 1: changed for him, you know, no, you know, no luck, no, no, look,
Speaker 1: you know, no opportunity. Yeah, you're gonna change. That's just
Speaker 1: the way. That's the way it is. I mean, if
Speaker 1: you want to stick to the same script, then you
Speaker 1: probably wouldn't get that workout. And what the Raiders have
Speaker 1: They've got Jared Stidham as a backup quarterback. Nick Mullins
Speaker 1: is another guy that they signed. Whatever they've got, there's
Speaker 1: an opportunity there. Marcus Mariota, of course, was there last
Speaker 1: year and now he's Atlanta, and so there is an opportunity.
Speaker 1: The question on Kaepernick is you can structure a deal
Speaker 1: for him that because he hasn't played in the league
Speaker 1: in so long. He wasn't in the league last year,
Speaker 1: and so you can structure a deal that take it
Speaker 1: has an incentive latent contract where he could have a base.
Speaker 1: The question is for him, is he willing to play
Speaker 1: if he doesn't get in a game at a veteran
Speaker 1: minimum base of whatever it might be, whatever they agree
Speaker 1: to one to two million dollars, and then he has
Speaker 1: based on number of games he plays, he could get
Speaker 1: paid a million dollars a game, whatever they can handle
Speaker 1: or whatever they negotiate. Is he willing to do that
Speaker 1: kind of a deal? Start of what the Cowboys did
Speaker 1: with Andy Dalton basically gave him a you know, three
Speaker 1: million dollars deal to be the backup, but then it
Speaker 1: was so much poorer game. How long he was How
Speaker 1: long was he out? How long was Andy ad No,
Speaker 1: he just came when he got released by a Cincinnati
Speaker 1: The Cowboys signed right now. This guy hasn't taken a
Speaker 1: snap in the NFL since was a twenty sixteen I'm
Speaker 1: not sure, he said, twenty sixteen. Yeah, twenty sixteen. That's
Speaker 1: the last time you played. So that's a long time
Speaker 1: for the quarterback not to see the field. Right, and
Speaker 1: that's why the song changed. That's a long time he hadn't.
Speaker 1: He's a different I mean we're different from twenty sixteen
Speaker 1: to now. You know, it's something different about us, and
Speaker 1: especially if you used to be a professional quarterback. Yeah,
Speaker 1: everything changes quickly, and then that's for a long time.
Speaker 1: This guy waited. This is six years now because I
Speaker 1: remember everybody saying, well, this guy's better than backup quarterback.
Speaker 1: This team's got or that, or the Cowboys have right,
Speaker 1: and it's like, but does he want to be the
Speaker 1: backup or does he want to go someplace and actually
Speaker 1: compete for the starting job, which when you've been out there,
Speaker 1: actually I don't think it really would have mattered. I
Speaker 1: think the stance that he took that pretty much that
Speaker 1: sealed his fate. So it didn't matter what he said.
Speaker 1: It was going to always be something well, oh well
Speaker 1: this is what I heard, and then this is what
Speaker 1: I heard, so you know, when it comes down to it,
Speaker 1: all those you know, trivialities, it didn't and the team
Speaker 1: had to be strong enough to say, Okay, we're going
Speaker 1: to accept the backlash because exactly there's gonna be a
Speaker 1: backs it is right, yes, it and all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: that'll be center stage. Do you want to? And now
Speaker 1: all of a sudden things once again, not only are
Speaker 1: we different, America's a little bit different from twenty sixteen,
Speaker 1: right you see. So that's the main thing as well. Hey,
Speaker 1: I got something for you guys. I had a little reunion.
Speaker 1: I know, we gotta go in a little bit, a
Speaker 1: little bit union reunion. Yeah, with said Cliff Harris, got DDE, Lewis, Leboy,
Speaker 1: Jordan uh and Charlie Waters. We were all at the
Speaker 1: Stallings Awards, all right, Yeah, it was it was hell
Speaker 1: of the Dallas Country Club. I was out there the
Speaker 1: Stallings Awards. Stallings Award. Yeah, let me get some's old
Speaker 1: gene with me and Chuck, Me and Charlie Waters. That
Speaker 1: was nicely moving along. Both are moving pretty slow slow. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but Jean's gotta got a cane. Chie doesn't. That's the
Speaker 1: only difference right there. So Charlie's close to happen, Yes
Speaker 1: he is. That said, that's the only difference. But I
Speaker 1: saw he and Cliff and we all sat together, our
Speaker 1: wives talked to each other man and what was the award?
Speaker 1: The award went to the award went too. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: see if you recognize Shut up. Sorry, I wasna like
Speaker 1: tease you with this, and can't you recognize that guy? Well,
Speaker 1: I guess you can. Then that's I took a better
Speaker 1: picture with him myself. And and that was pretty cool
Speaker 1: because he and Sean Springs were teammates. So we talked
Speaker 1: about about Ron, talked about about the kidney donations and
Speaker 1: things of that nature. So who was teammates with run
Speaker 1: Fickle Sean with Sean Springs son, Ron Springs Son Sean Springs.
Speaker 1: That went right, Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's okay, that's okay, Well,
Speaker 1: that's cool. I didn't realize they had one of those. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you weren't invited. That's why I should have been. The
Speaker 1: rest of the world would have known about it, right,
Speaker 1: So that was good stuff. Man. We had just past Tuesday.
Speaker 1: You know what it was. Gene has not changed, not
Speaker 1: one bit. It was it was four or five years ago.
Speaker 1: We did a legend show on him and we went
Speaker 1: out to his place in Paris and um, so he
Speaker 1: it's got a big sprint, yes, and there's fences up
Speaker 1: and he was talking about and I said, so who
Speaker 1: rides out there and repairs those fencers? Why do you
Speaker 1: mean I go, he goes get on my horse at
Speaker 1: our ride out there, So he had to be in
Speaker 1: his eighties. See that reminds me of when Wade Phillips
Speaker 1: got the job here and we went to Wade's. We
Speaker 1: went to bum Phillip's ranch down south of San Antonio.
Speaker 1: I believe Goliad Texas. Yeah, and I mean you there
Speaker 1: is no more hospitable There was no more hospitable person
Speaker 1: in the world than Bum and his wife. I mean
Speaker 1: they offered to even put us up for the night.
Speaker 1: We were just going on a day trip down there
Speaker 1: to do a story on him whatever. When we got there,
Speaker 1: Bum Phillips was out on his horse out I mean
Speaker 1: he would I'm looking up now how old he would
Speaker 1: have been then, but he was probably in his eighties.
Speaker 1: And I'd be remiss if I didn't mention Ruth Anne
Speaker 1: as well. Jean's wife still looks. She was great when
Speaker 1: we did the interview. If there was any lapses in memory,
Speaker 1: she piped right right. And Bum was born in nineteen
Speaker 1: twenty three, and so he would have been eighty four
Speaker 1: years old then. Now look up stallings and and so
Speaker 1: when we finished, and we must have spent two hours
Speaker 1: in his house. I think Chris was Chris was with us.
Speaker 1: I think I don't think so, Oh, you weren't, okay.
Speaker 1: Jean is eighty seven. Eighty seven turned eighty seven in March,
Speaker 1: so this would have been at least eighty okay. And
Speaker 1: we got done with the whole thing and giving us
Speaker 1: directions on you know, how to get out of here
Speaker 1: or whatever, and he goes, well, wait, let's let's go
Speaker 1: to lunch. And he took to the place that he
Speaker 1: goes to lunch probably every day, right, And we had
Speaker 1: lunch with him, and I'm sun just some some company
Speaker 1: and yeah, some visitors and show them off to the
Speaker 1: to the old school people in the neighborhood, you know.
Speaker 1: And you go into guys' houses like that. It's almost
Speaker 1: like going into museum because they've got all this memorabilia, right,
Speaker 1: and all this stuff from Alabama. They put up only
Speaker 1: the best and most impressive things. Of course. It's like
Speaker 1: I gotta say, it's like when we and now Chris
Speaker 1: went to this one, we did Walt Garrison, yeah, in
Speaker 1: his place, and uh, it was like going in the museum.
Speaker 1: He's got cowboys stuff, and he's got cow cowboys stuff
Speaker 1: and real cowboys stuff, stuff that he's whittled. We went
Speaker 1: into that. I've got like three or four of those.
Speaker 1: He keeps every time I'd see him, he give me one. Right,
Speaker 1: I've got all this mean works of art. That's right. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's by the way. I had. I spoke for like
Speaker 1: to minutes just talking to Jane that was, and he
Speaker 1: couldn't understand the word I say it, so I was
Speaker 1: in the wrong ear, so I had to repeat myself
Speaker 1: all over. Garrison's front door was impressive in itself. The
Speaker 1: whole house was his front door is is um. It's
Speaker 1: all his friends's brands, like you know, like they're they're
Speaker 1: they're farm brands, Iron Bank brand. So it's all pressed
Speaker 1: into his door. So it's all these brands on his
Speaker 1: It was a log house. They build remotely, take it
Speaker 1: apart and then bring it and restructure it. Wow. And
Speaker 1: you know how he got that. You know how he
Speaker 1: got that house. He wasn't from Mike making money. If
Speaker 1: it was from Skull Skull Skull, the skull commercials he made,
Speaker 1: he made more money. He said, Oh, I'm sure he
Speaker 1: was American Tobacco. Then the American tobacco or whatever. It
Speaker 1: was he hit and he told the story, and I know,
Speaker 1: we gotta go about when they were at training camp
Speaker 1: in Thousand Oaks, right, and they they needed some extras
Speaker 1: to ride a horse for some John Wayne movie, right,
Speaker 1: And he said at one point they came, they were close,
Speaker 1: and they came ride into training camp in Thousand Oaks
Speaker 1: on their horses, and uh, he had a rifle that
Speaker 1: John Wayne gave him, right, and it was like a
Speaker 1: real not a replica. It was a real deal. And
Speaker 1: he's got it in you know, this case and everything.
Speaker 1: He had saddles on these wooden horses and it was amazing,
Speaker 1: just absolutely amazing. And he was he's a one, one
Speaker 1: of a kind. I'm sorry, that's all right. That's good stuff,
Speaker 1: all right. So that does it for week one of
Speaker 1: OTA's no telling what Mickey will have on his legal
Speaker 1: pad after he observes another practice next week. Here on
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