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Speaker 1: Hello everyone, and welcome to episode sixty two of the

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Speaker 1: Hammer Territory Podcast. I am your host, Brad Rowland, coming

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Speaker 1: to you on a Sunday evening here in mid August,

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Speaker 1: and Scott, I have a question for you. It's one

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Speaker 1: that everyone's asking. Is this rock bottom or can't go

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Speaker 1: any lower? Hey?

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Speaker 2: Brad, you know it feels like over the last couple

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Speaker 2: of weeks we have hit rock bottom multiple times. But

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Speaker 2: dear God, after this loss on Sunday, I would be

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Speaker 2: shocked if there is a lower bottom than this. But

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Speaker 2: I guess I have been surprised before. And I mean

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Speaker 2: this season is just one thing after another after another

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Speaker 2: after another. It really does just feel like like, Brad,

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Speaker 2: do you remember it was maybe ten fifteen years ago,

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Speaker 2: it was real popular. I think it was on MTV,

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Speaker 2: the TV show Punked where they would prank celebrities. Do

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Speaker 2: you watching like the Braves the last maybe month or

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Speaker 2: two or three? It feels like it's almost like a

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Speaker 2: big episode of Punked to see how many things can

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Speaker 2: go wrong and sideways before, like like I'm waiting for

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Speaker 2: Ashton Kutcher to jump out with a camera coop and

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Speaker 2: a surprise. We're actually just messing with you because man,

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Speaker 2: like every three days it feels like something unbelievably wrong

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Speaker 2: has happened to this team.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and if you're somehow joining us for the first time,

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Speaker 1: God bless you for being here. We cover the Atlanta

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Speaker 1: Braves on this podcast. We are called Hammer Torture. We

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Speaker 1: are part of the Foul Territory network of podcasts. Check

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Speaker 1: them all out, including this one. Please subscribe, rates, and review.

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Speaker 1: But again, it's Sunday, August eleventh. The Brives just lost

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Speaker 1: in historic fashions. We'll come back to later on this podcast.

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Speaker 1: They now last seven in the last eight games. They

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Speaker 1: are eight and fourteen since the All Star break, despite

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Speaker 1: a stretch in there of six wins and seven games,

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Speaker 1: so that's remarkable. They could be out of the playoffs

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Speaker 1: again by the end of today. They were out of

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Speaker 1: it for the first time in two years. On a Thursday,

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Speaker 1: they were out. They were still out on Friday, and

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Speaker 1: they got back in on Saturday. We'll see what happens there.

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Speaker 1: You talk about how it does feel like the season

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Speaker 1: is kind of a an episode of Punked. It's funny

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Speaker 1: because I was listening to a show that I listen

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Speaker 1: to regularly about baseball called effectively Wild over at Fangrafs

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Speaker 1: a couple of days ago, and you know, they're not

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Speaker 1: it's not a braistbodcast, it's a national baseball podcast, and

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Speaker 1: they were pretty matter of fact, and I thought I

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Speaker 1: was kind of maybe not refreshing is the wrong word,

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Speaker 1: but more kind of a candid way about like, hey,

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Speaker 1: it shouldn't be that surprising that the Braves aren't playing

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Speaker 1: that well when you look at their injuries, and you know,

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Speaker 1: we talked about that, and that's worth acknowledging, and it's

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Speaker 1: one hundred percent true that teams that lose their best player,

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Speaker 1: their best pitcher and other guys beyond that don't play well.

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Speaker 1: And then you dig in to the way it's gone

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Speaker 1: the last few weeks, and it goes from logical to illogical.

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Speaker 1: And I'm sure we'll share a lot of numbers on

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Speaker 1: this podcast about you know, I'm sure people can get

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Speaker 1: mad at the use of the word luck that I'm

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Speaker 1: about to throw out there, but some of the unfortunate

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Speaker 1: or unlucky stuff that's happened to the Braves. And then

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Speaker 1: of course you get into the the the ending on

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Speaker 1: Sunday afternoon, in which the Braves, as we'll talk about

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Speaker 1: again later in detail, allow six consecutive two out hits

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Speaker 1: to help blow a six run lead in course Field

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Speaker 1: against the bad Rockies team. I don't know, Scott. I mean,

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Speaker 1: we're gonna be talking for however long we're talking on

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Speaker 1: this podcast and throwing stuff about there. But I now,

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Speaker 1: you know, I felt deeply for our co our co

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Speaker 1: hosts and colleagues Steven Tolbert and Shawn Coleman this week

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Speaker 1: because they they did two podcasts about pretty dire circumstances,

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Speaker 1: and it was like, all right, maybe Scott and I

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Speaker 1: will have two wins on Sunday afternoon to talk about,

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Speaker 1: and then maybe not.

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Speaker 2: At the end, it sure seemed like even thirty minutes

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Speaker 2: ago we were recording this, just after the loss on Sunday,

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Speaker 2: it felt like, maybe thirty minutes ago, that the Braves

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Speaker 2: were going to come out of the series with two

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Speaker 2: wins and hopefully building some momentum getting back on the

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Speaker 2: right track, especially after the way they just got their

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Speaker 2: asses beat down by the Milwaukee Brewers and then lost

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Speaker 2: on Friday to a horrible Colorado Rockies team. I mean,

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Speaker 2: other than the historically bad Chicago White Sox the Rockies

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Speaker 2: have the worst run differential in baseball. They came into

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Speaker 2: the series, I believe thirty three games below five hundred,

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Speaker 2: and only our Braves Brad would find a way to

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Speaker 2: lose two out of three to this very bad team.

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Speaker 2: And I mean, again, it's just I think the point

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Speaker 2: you made a minute ago is very valid from a

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Speaker 2: even remotely in the postseason picture right now is kind

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Speaker 2: of a miracle considering ay, I mean, considering everything they've

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Speaker 2: had to deal with, all of the injuries, all of

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Speaker 2: the bad luck. But at the same time, man, I mean,

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Speaker 2: I just wish this team once and for all would

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Speaker 2: either fall down and be dead and maybe lose like

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Speaker 2: ten out of twelve so I can lose my emotional

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Speaker 2: attachment to this baseball team, or obviously much more preferably,

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Speaker 2: they would figure it out, they would stop losing these

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Speaker 2: baseball games in the worst way imaginable, and they would

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Speaker 2: go on a run, especially knowing that they are going

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Speaker 2: to be the healthiest they have been here in a

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Speaker 2: couple of days, once Michael Harris and Ronaldo Lopez return.

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Speaker 2: Despite all of the injuries, it is a pretty good

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Speaker 2: roster and a team that could get hot for a

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Speaker 2: But just every day it's like a It's like a

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Speaker 2: migrain that you can feel coming on, and maybe it

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Speaker 2: won't be a bad headache, but it just kind of

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Speaker 2: feels like, deep down, you know it's going to be

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Speaker 2: a bad one with the way this team has lost

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think long term listeners will know this, Like,

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Speaker 1: I'm not always the most optimistic person in the world world.

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Speaker 1: I kind of see the car crash coming at a

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Speaker 1: time most of the time. And I gotta be honest

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Speaker 1: with you, Scott, I didn't see today coming. I did

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Speaker 1: not see it. Eight to two blown loss. We were

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Speaker 1: operating as if the Braids were going to win today.

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Speaker 1: Once that lead was built, I was making notes. You know.

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Speaker 1: I didn't ever write down the Braves won the game.

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Speaker 1: I tried not to ever do that, just for whatever

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Speaker 1: reverse hing's purposes. But you know, in every way, I

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Speaker 1: of stuff, and it's like, oh, it was not even

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Speaker 1: a slow motioning car crash. It happened so fast as

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Speaker 1: well like oftentimes when you blow a lead like that

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Speaker 1: get into the details, the gory details when I skip

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Speaker 1: some of them along the way for the weekend. But yeah,

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Speaker 1: they've taken more steps backward, and I do think that

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Speaker 1: both things are objectively true to kind of put a

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Speaker 1: bow on this little conversation that if you take three

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Speaker 1: steps back and try to remove your fandom and the

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Speaker 1: kind of a testament to how good this team maybe

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Speaker 1: could have been or should have been. That they are

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Speaker 1: and at the same time watching it every day, it

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Speaker 1: has been mad. Madden needs to say the least, the

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Speaker 1: offense comes alive, rise, the pitching staff goes in the

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Speaker 1: tank for the first time all season. You pulled this staff,

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Speaker 1: but they've been incredibly unlucky. They had like a four

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Speaker 1: and that's like one hundred points worse than the league average.

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Speaker 1: Like it's it's every stat you could possibly imagine, it's

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Speaker 1: gone against them. And we've talked about and I think

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Speaker 1: it's still objectively the case for the full season, about

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Speaker 1: how the offense has been the problem for this team,

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Speaker 1: full stop, any other you know, thing is just kind

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Speaker 1: that as soon as the bats came alive for what

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Speaker 1: in four, Like, what are you supposed to do with that?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: I know it's course field, but come on, what are

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Speaker 2: Yeah? It's it's just one thing after another, And I

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Speaker 2: mean almost since the first couple of weeks of the season,

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Speaker 2: it has felt like when the Braves are hitting, which

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Speaker 2: when the pitching has been really good and overall the

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Speaker 2: The bullpen in particular has been terrible, and you kind

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Speaker 2: the season. You mentioned a four hundred batting average on

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Speaker 2: week average this year is about two eighty five, so

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Speaker 2: you can do the math there on how unlucky this

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Speaker 2: team has been. We know about the injuries. It's just

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Speaker 2: And I don't know, maybe the team will rally around

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Speaker 2: the loss today. I guess we can kind of go

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Speaker 2: into the weekend game by game here, but it really

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Speaker 2: I know we've been It's almost become like a joke

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Speaker 2: of how many times can the team hit rock bottom

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Speaker 2: in a season, but to me this feels like rock bottom,

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Speaker 2: especially just how horrible that eighth inning was today.

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Speaker 1: Let us proceed to the game by game at breakdown

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Speaker 1: section of the podcast, will probably take some detours along

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Speaker 1: the way and probably get to all of our notes

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Speaker 1: because we have a lots in. It was kind of

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Speaker 1: A lot of the winning run the seventh thenning Grant

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Speaker 1: Holds was just okay. Despite eight strikeouts, they hit three

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Speaker 1: approach on Friday. You know, it was kind of the

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Speaker 1: because number one, it was two days ago. Number two,

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Speaker 1: it was kind of the most straight ahead game. But

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Speaker 1: a six or five loss. It was like, on its own,

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Speaker 1: not that big of a deal. You got you kind

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Speaker 1: but the approach was maybe not ideal offensively, despite the

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Speaker 1: fact that we just praised the offense.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I thought Friday's loss in particular, was frustrating. I mean,

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Speaker 2: I guess compared to Sunday it was a hold my

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Speaker 2: they basically skipped his start midweek anyway, and that's fine,

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Speaker 2: and he continues to be so good, and I guess

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Speaker 2: I understand both sides of the argument of both protecting

435
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Speaker 2: a long term asset, but you also need to win

436
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Speaker 2: some games. And Schwellenbach did everything he could on Sunday

437
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Speaker 2: to give this team a win.

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Speaker 1: He did, And I am somewhere in the middle, unsurprisingly

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Speaker 1: on the handling a pitchers argument, I don't feel like

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Speaker 1: this is a lost season punt like I don't. I

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Speaker 1: don't think that. I do think, especially for a glex Swallenbach,

442
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Speaker 1: who is young, and there's this whole debate anyway about

443
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Speaker 1: you know, Enning's caps and all that we don't have

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Speaker 1: to get into now. But I personally just and this

445
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Speaker 1: is it's I don't always just appeal to authority. I

446
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Speaker 1: don't think that we can really know the whole picture

447
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Speaker 1: of arm health on the outside, and you know, the

448
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Speaker 1: guys that they've handled with kind of kid gloves this

449
00:22:19,000 --> 00:22:23,280
Speaker 1: year kind of makes sense to me on the surface

450
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Speaker 1: big picture, like Chris Sale, given how heard he has

451
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Speaker 1: been for several years, Ronald A. Lopez obviously was a

452
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Speaker 1: converted believer, and Schmallenbach. Those are the three guys who've

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Speaker 1: been kind of handled this way, and they're the three

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Speaker 1: guys who you would think they might have handled this way.

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Speaker 1: So it's that's not surprising to me. I do think

456
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Speaker 1: on the other side of it, I understand what you're saying,

457
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Speaker 1: where like they're in this free fall. You don't want

458
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Speaker 1: to overreact to that if you're the team, as much

459
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Speaker 1: as we'd like them to overreact to it on the outside,

460
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Speaker 1: you kind of have to do what you are going

461
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Speaker 1: to do, but the results do matter, like you have

462
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Speaker 1: to get into the playoffs. You and I I think

463
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Speaker 1: still believed despite the incredibly ridiculous weekend we've just experienced

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Speaker 1: that the Braves are still capable of making noise in

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Speaker 1: the playoffs, but you have to get there. And I

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Speaker 1: think that's kind of where the divide maybe was in

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Speaker 1: the conversation, because you know, one more Bryce Elder start,

468
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Speaker 1: one more Grant Holmes start whoever. Every time that happens,

469
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Speaker 1: and the Braves lose, and we've shared the numbers over

470
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Speaker 1: and over again, we won't do it again now about

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Speaker 1: how bad they have been. Basically, when anyone other than

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Speaker 1: their big four and Schwellenbach is on the mound, anyone

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Speaker 1: from Elder to win In's to Smith shaub or to whoever,

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Speaker 1: the results has been terrible and that's not terribly surprising.

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Speaker 1: So any more of those causes, like the panic of

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Speaker 1: the fans than they've been, they lose and it kind

477
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Speaker 1: of compounds on itself all those things. But this is

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Speaker 1: kind of an interesting tascit acknowledgement from Snicker, I thought.

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Speaker 1: But at the same time, I'm I'm glad you pointed

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Speaker 1: out that he did kind of get extra rest anyway,

481
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Speaker 1: so maybe it's like the best middle ground they could find.

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Speaker 1: And then he pitched well. I was glad he pitched well,

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Speaker 1: I was just for obvious reasons. But then also if

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Speaker 1: he had come back today and they hadn't planned on it,

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Speaker 1: and he got rocked, which happen. He's pishing in Denver,

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Speaker 1: I think for the first time in his career, and uh,

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Speaker 1: I think it's blasted today. The reaction would have been interesting,

488
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Speaker 1: but he didn't. So there you go.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, man, I mean six innings, two runs, only two

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Speaker 2: walks and seven strikeouts. I mean Schwellenbach. Man, if the

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Speaker 2: Braves find their way into the playoffs at the end

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Speaker 2: of this, and who knows, maybe they go on to run.

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Speaker 2: If you're looking at maybe unsung heroes or players who

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Speaker 2: really stepped up when this team needed it, Schwellenbach for me,

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Speaker 2: is an easy number one on that list. And it

496
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Speaker 2: really is such a shame that this team wasted another

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Speaker 2: good start from him with the bullpen just complete and

498
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Speaker 2: total meltdown. Not even bullpen. Well, I guess it was

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Speaker 2: two people. It was Luke Jackson. Yeah, I mean Luke Jackson.

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Speaker 2: I mean maybe maybe now we'll get this out of

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Speaker 2: the way. Yeah, I mean you have to get you

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Speaker 2: have to dfa Luke Jackson, right, I think I think so,

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Speaker 2: you know, we like Luke, we always have. Uh.

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Speaker 1: It was a in the dark when they traded for him.

505
00:25:02,760 --> 00:25:06,640
Speaker 1: They were trading for Solaier. We all kind of acknowledged this. Solaire.

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Speaker 1: They did Alex to talk about Luke having some good

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Speaker 1: signs at the end of his Giants tenure, which was

508
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Speaker 1: certainly there. I could see them two in the numbers,

509
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Speaker 1: but he has not looked good to be sure. And look,

510
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Speaker 1: it's not as simple as this, But I don't blame

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Speaker 1: anyone for the reaction that was out there today about

512
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Speaker 1: Dylan Lee pitching in one atte today, while Luke Jackson

513
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Speaker 1: contributes significantly to a to a lost game that mattered

514
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Speaker 1: in Atlanta. That confluence of events is not gonna sit

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Speaker 1: well because, as you and I talked about many times,

516
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Speaker 1: Dylan Lee's been awesome for three years now basically, and

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Speaker 1: he's in the miners because he has options that Luke

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Speaker 1: Jackson doesn't have options. He's in the majors. And it

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Speaker 1: wasn't only Luke. It is worth noting they were up

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Speaker 1: four runs, would look exit of the game, but he

521
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Speaker 1: had nothing, didn't look good and that was the start

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Speaker 1: of the downturn.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I think you have to. I just

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Speaker 2: I like Luke Jackson the person. I mean, he'll be

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Speaker 2: on that he'll be a World Series champion in twenty

526
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Speaker 2: to twenty one forever. But I mean for him to

527
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Speaker 2: come into an eight to two game, and just I mean,

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Speaker 2: in the moment I tweeted that it was bad alone,

529
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Speaker 2: that Brian Snitker was going to have to go to

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Speaker 2: Joejmenez and presumably Rice sell Iglesias in a game that

531
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Speaker 2: was eight to two in the eighth was really bad.

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Speaker 2: And you know, I mean Joejmanez, I mean he got ambushed.

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Speaker 2: I think in a span of four batters, he threw

534
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Speaker 2: six pitches and the game was tied, or maybe they

535
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Speaker 2: were already trailing at that point. I mean, it was

536
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Speaker 2: just I guess I give Jimenez a little bit of

537
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Speaker 2: leeway here because he was surely just sitting comfortably in

538
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Speaker 2: that bullpen and all of a sudden he had to

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Speaker 2: warm up with haste. And at the end of the day,

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Speaker 2: these are professional athletes and they should be able to

541
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Speaker 2: go out there in any circumstance. But at the end

542
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Speaker 2: of the day, Joe Hemenez was responsible for maybe not

543
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Speaker 2: everything that Luke gave up, but I mean, obviously Jimenez

544
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Speaker 2: did not do his job and stop the bleeding.

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Speaker 1: No, and I mean, all told, we don't have to

546
00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:10,480
Speaker 1: go through every single pitch, but you're right on all accounts.

547
00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:12,359
Speaker 1: How fast I said it before, How fast that happened.

548
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Speaker 1: It was just crazy to me. In the end, Luke

549
00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:18,600
Speaker 1: leaves with two but two guys on base and in

550
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Speaker 1: a four one lead, Jimenez allows four straight hits and

551
00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:23,920
Speaker 1: it goes from eight to two to nine to eight

552
00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:26,840
Speaker 1: in the blink of an eye. The Rockies, I mean,

553
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Speaker 1: this is just crazy to say out loud. They got

554
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Speaker 1: six consecutive two out hits, Like the game is, you're

555
00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:35,600
Speaker 1: one out away from the game not being over, but

556
00:27:35,640 --> 00:27:38,600
Speaker 1: being functionally probably over, and you just could not get

557
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Speaker 1: an out. I'll look at the stackcast page like he was.

558
00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:45,280
Speaker 1: He was hit hard ish Jimenez, but nothing crazy, Like

559
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Speaker 1: only one of the only one of the bat of

560
00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:51,439
Speaker 1: balls was like absolutely smoked. There were a couple like

561
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Speaker 1: fifty to fifty balls and the expected batting average kind

562
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Speaker 1: of thing that just did not go the right way.

563
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Speaker 1: And you know the bad bit bluck we talked about

564
00:27:57,640 --> 00:28:00,359
Speaker 1: earlier that kind of applied here. But it happened so fast.

565
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Speaker 1: You don't just blow six differently every day. I think

566
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Speaker 1: I don't want to say this wrong, so my apologies,

567
00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:09,960
Speaker 1: but I think on the broadcast c J. Bakowski said this,

568
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Speaker 1: and I try to find it and I haven't been

569
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Speaker 1: able to since then, but I believe he said the

570
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Speaker 1: last time the Braves allowed eight hits in an inning,

571
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Speaker 1: which happened in the eighth today, was twenty sixteen. That's

572
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Speaker 1: a long time ago. We had started the podcast, but barely.

573
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Speaker 1: It's sorry, our old podcast over at Talking Chop Slash

574
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Speaker 1: Battery Power. But I mean that's that's literally eight years ago.

575
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Speaker 1: They had not allowed that many hits in an inning

576
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Speaker 1: for eight years. That's crazy, just in.

577
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Speaker 2: Itself, and just I mean some of the hits were

578
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Speaker 2: within like half a foot of a glove. Yes, I mean,

579
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Speaker 2: you know, the ball gets hit one foot lower and

580
00:28:45,320 --> 00:28:48,320
Speaker 2: Orlando Urcdia jumps up and makes it catch. The ball

581
00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:50,040
Speaker 2: is hit one foot to the right or to the

582
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Speaker 2: left and went Marorfield catches the ball. I mean again,

583
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Speaker 2: it's just, man, you just cannot catch a whiff of

584
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Speaker 2: fortune and good block. It's just I mean, in real time,

585
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Speaker 2: it was almost shocking. I mean it was like I

586
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Speaker 2: was sitting on my couch watching the game. I was

587
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Speaker 2: in a great mood. We were texting. We're like, all right,

588
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Speaker 2: I mean literally, Brett, I think you texted me, hey,

589
00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:15,960
Speaker 2: let's let's roll. A few minutes after the game wraps up,

590
00:29:16,280 --> 00:29:18,520
Speaker 2: and at this point it was eight to two, and

591
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Speaker 2: in like a span of what six minutes, the game

592
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Speaker 2: went completely upside down.

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Speaker 1: Jim, Actually, I have a stat for you. I just

594
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Speaker 1: found that you don't know about stupid. Look, no, no

595
00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:31,760
Speaker 1: one loves these things. I'm not saying this is gospel,

596
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Speaker 1: but I was just curious and I forgot to look

597
00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:38,280
Speaker 1: this up. Louke Jackson struck out the first batter in

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Speaker 1: the eighth inning. Remember that a long time ago. Now, yes,

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Speaker 1: one out in the eighth eight to two lead. I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna ask you, Scott, what do you think the stack

601
00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:53,880
Speaker 1: cast win probability was for the Braves? Ninety eight point

602
00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:57,360
Speaker 1: five percent very close, ninety nine point five percent.

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Speaker 2: Wow, yep.

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Speaker 1: Now, Grant again, I'm not say that's gospel, but it

605
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Speaker 1: does kind of directionally tell you how crazy it is

606
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Speaker 1: to go from up eight to two in a in

607
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Speaker 1: with one out in the a f inning and lose.

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Speaker 1: And yes, I'm not I'm sure that takes an account

609
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Speaker 1: corpse on some level. I do think that just the

610
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Speaker 1: course field of it all should at least be acknowledged.

611
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Speaker 1: It's not an excuse. You don't ever want to blow

612
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Speaker 1: six run lead. Course is the place you would probably

613
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Speaker 1: be most likely to do that. Does that? Is that

614
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Speaker 1: fair to say? It's fair to say.

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Speaker 2: But here was another just shocking stat. So the Rockies

616
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Speaker 2: have been around since I think nineteen ninety seven, I

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Speaker 2: want to say so a long time twenty however, many

618
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Speaker 2: years do the math. That was the only time in

619
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Speaker 2: franchise history that the Rockies have trailed by six or

620
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Speaker 2: more runs in the eighth inning and come back to

621
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Speaker 2: win the game. Since July sixth, twenty ten.

622
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Speaker 1: They've done it twice in thirty years, and this is

623
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Speaker 1: the first time in four years. Essentially, Yeah, that's only.

624
00:31:04,160 --> 00:31:07,240
Speaker 2: The twenty twenty four Atlanta Braves would find a way

625
00:31:07,280 --> 00:31:09,600
Speaker 2: to be part of something like that. I mean they

626
00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:12,880
Speaker 2: were also just part of like all time records for

627
00:31:13,040 --> 00:31:17,320
Speaker 2: what the Milwaukee Brewers just did offensively, Like no team

628
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Speaker 2: in the history of the modern era had x number

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Speaker 2: of runs, y number of homers, and z number of

630
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Speaker 2: steals in like one hundred and thirty years in a

631
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Speaker 2: three game series and it's just pick your embarrassing stat

632
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Speaker 2: of choice. And I mean it's just been I mean,

633
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Speaker 2: what a what a week, Brad? I mean it's what

634
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Speaker 2: a week?

635
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Speaker 1: What a week?

636
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Speaker 2: Indeed, I would say it's yeah, maybe that's maybe that's

637
00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:44,880
Speaker 2: the title of the podcast. I don't know, and hey,

638
00:31:44,920 --> 00:31:48,480
Speaker 2: it might be anybody. I was gonna say, if anyone

639
00:31:48,520 --> 00:31:50,680
Speaker 2: is still listening, we appreciate the hell out of you

640
00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:53,480
Speaker 2: because you're the real ones for supporting the show. Win

641
00:31:53,640 --> 00:31:57,680
Speaker 2: or lose these I promise you with every fiber in

642
00:31:57,760 --> 00:32:01,800
Speaker 2: my body that we prefer to not do these podcasts

643
00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:04,920
Speaker 2: after the team has a historic loss in some ways

644
00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:08,680
Speaker 2: and man alive. I mean, what is the breaking point

645
00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:10,200
Speaker 2: of like enough is enough?

646
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Speaker 1: I do think that many independent podcasts who are not

647
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Speaker 1: doing this because it's our full time job would have

648
00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:19,840
Speaker 1: just not done an episode to But we don't do

649
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Speaker 1: that here on the Territory Tour podcast. Yeah, we have

650
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Speaker 1: other stats. I'll pass I'll pass on them. The office

651
00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:29,480
Speaker 1: has been good recently, that's the one up shot. That's good.

652
00:32:29,560 --> 00:32:33,120
Speaker 1: Hora Hilaire is bombing metalson looks good. Len Orcia is alive.

653
00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:35,680
Speaker 1: That's good to see after he had been brutal for months.

654
00:32:35,680 --> 00:32:37,840
Speaker 1: He's been really good. It's the All Star break. We

655
00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:40,160
Speaker 1: talked about how unlucky the bullpen has been. It's still

656
00:32:40,160 --> 00:32:42,400
Speaker 1: been awesome for the year. It's just that they just

657
00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:44,920
Speaker 1: don't It's been a rough time at a bad time

658
00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:48,920
Speaker 1: for the bullpen. My last stat on the podcast today,

659
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Speaker 1: Scott is going to be this, The Braves just allowed

660
00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:56,400
Speaker 1: sixty four runs in a seven game sample. That is

661
00:32:56,480 --> 00:32:58,840
Speaker 1: more than nine runs per game. That is really really bad,

662
00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:03,440
Speaker 1: even with cores involved. But to our earlier point, to

663
00:33:03,480 --> 00:33:06,040
Speaker 1: bring things full circle about how it's actually kind of

664
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Speaker 1: amazing the Braves are where they are this year in

665
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Speaker 1: a good way, given all the things that have happened. Again,

666
00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:14,959
Speaker 1: sixty four runs in seven games, they are still fourth

667
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Speaker 1: in all of baseball and runs allowed this season fourth.

668
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Speaker 2: The Braves are, yep, and are doing it without the

669
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Speaker 2: cy Young front run without without striker, and uh, you

670
00:33:27,560 --> 00:33:30,560
Speaker 2: know it's it's it's absolutely wild to me that they're

671
00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:31,239
Speaker 2: able to do that.

672
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Speaker 1: And so yes, it is both simultaneously fair to say

673
00:33:34,520 --> 00:33:37,800
Speaker 1: the run prevention has been a disaster for a week.

674
00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:41,440
Speaker 1: That is obvious to anyone who's been watching. It's also

675
00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:43,320
Speaker 1: fair to say that it's been really really good for

676
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Speaker 1: the full season. So that's where we are on Sunday,

677
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Speaker 1: August eleventh. A little bit of quick news bullets before

678
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Speaker 1: we look ahead briefly to the week to come. Eddie

679
00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:54,760
Speaker 1: Rosario was DFA, which we already knew a few days ago.

680
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Speaker 1: He actually elected free agency. So farewell again to Eddie Rosario,

681
00:33:58,680 --> 00:34:01,520
Speaker 1: who came back and was very good. Well, I always

682
00:34:01,520 --> 00:34:05,440
Speaker 1: remember you, Eddie. And then Oscar Renoa had a setback.

683
00:34:05,480 --> 00:34:08,719
Speaker 1: He's actual shoulder tightness. I was not relying on him

684
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Speaker 1: at any point this year. I've been skeptical about him

685
00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:12,880
Speaker 1: the entire way. Unfortunately, we're all obviously for him to

686
00:34:12,880 --> 00:34:15,439
Speaker 1: get healthy, but yeah, he's not going to be pitching

687
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Speaker 1: this year.

688
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Speaker 2: I don't think for the Braves now. No, it's a

689
00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:21,800
Speaker 2: bummer for wast Car. I mean, shoulders are just such

690
00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:24,840
Speaker 2: scary injuries for the pitchers, and we all know the

691
00:34:24,920 --> 00:34:28,040
Speaker 2: dangers of elbow injuries as well, and really the wast

692
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Speaker 2: Car just has not been healthy for what three seasons now,

693
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Speaker 2: I think maybe three calendar years at this point. It's

694
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Speaker 2: just it's a bummer. I guess he at least has

695
00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:41,440
Speaker 2: youth on his side a little bit well, maybe he

696
00:34:41,480 --> 00:34:43,640
Speaker 2: can come back and make an impact at some point

697
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Speaker 2: next year. But I don't know, Brad, do we I mean,

698
00:34:47,800 --> 00:34:50,400
Speaker 2: I guess, I guess a little bit of optimism is

699
00:34:50,920 --> 00:34:55,239
Speaker 2: Ian Anderson has been pitching better in Gwinnett. Seems like

700
00:34:55,280 --> 00:34:57,800
Speaker 2: his velocity has slowly but surely come back.

701
00:34:58,480 --> 00:34:58,719
Speaker 1: A J.

702
00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:02,640
Speaker 2: Smith Shauver is also there waiting and available. We know

703
00:35:02,719 --> 00:35:07,560
Speaker 2: this team likes to call up Bryce Elder on random occasion,

704
00:35:08,520 --> 00:35:12,560
Speaker 2: but yeah, man, let's talk about this Giant series and

705
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Speaker 2: get on out of here.

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Speaker 1: Yes, And speaking of the Giant Series, the Braves have

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Speaker 1: currently listed their starters for the upcoming series and they

708
00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:24,279
Speaker 1: have Grant Holmes listed on Wednesday, So if they were

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Speaker 1: going to go to a Anderson Smith Shover Elder type,

710
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Speaker 1: that would be the spot, and they are not currently

711
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Speaker 1: doing that. Worth knowing that it is a four game

712
00:35:33,560 --> 00:35:37,200
Speaker 1: series in San Francisco, a batch late nights Scott Coleman specials.

713
00:35:37,680 --> 00:35:40,080
Speaker 1: The Giants are right behind the Braves in the standings,

714
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Speaker 1: despite the fact that they kind of sold of course,

715
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Speaker 1: they traded Horius Hilaire at the deadline. But they're not great,

716
00:35:45,160 --> 00:35:48,760
Speaker 1: nor were they bad. They are a decent baseball team.

717
00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:50,480
Speaker 1: The Braves are more talented than they are. But what

718
00:35:50,520 --> 00:35:53,880
Speaker 1: does that mean? There are two though exceptional pitching matchups

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Speaker 1: on display, and they are Monday and Thursday. Anything else

720
00:35:57,680 --> 00:36:00,600
Speaker 1: to look at besides those? Because it's Sale versus Monday

721
00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:03,239
Speaker 1: three versus Logan Web on Thursday. Those are awesome games.

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Speaker 1: Unfortunately that means they're tough ones to win because Logan

723
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Speaker 1: Web is really good, as is Blake Snell. But anything

724
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Speaker 1: else that you want to note about the series?

725
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Speaker 2: Now, let's hope that they can try to flush this

726
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Speaker 2: loss against the Rockies and win a couple of games

727
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Speaker 2: in San Francisco. You Now, the Giants have kind of

728
00:36:21,080 --> 00:36:24,840
Speaker 2: quietly been pretty good lately. I think coming into Sunday

729
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Speaker 2: they had one eight out of ten and thanks to

730
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Speaker 2: I mean, Blake Snell has been out of his mind.

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Speaker 2: For the last month and a half. He was terrible

732
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Speaker 2: and then lately he's been probably the best pitcher in

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Speaker 2: baseball since July. Logan Web is.

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Speaker 1: Very, very good.

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Speaker 2: It feels like every time these teams meet up, the

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Speaker 2: Braves somehow run into Logan Web. Robbie Ray, who has

737
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Speaker 2: been returning from elbow surgery, is pitching on Wednesday. He's

738
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Speaker 2: been good and we'll see Kyle Harrison on Tuesday, which

739
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Speaker 2: is kind of the one kind of soft spot in

740
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Speaker 2: the Giants rotation. It's going to be against Charlie Morton,

741
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Speaker 2: and we know that Charlie has been very check and

742
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Speaker 2: hyde for the better part of the season. So let's

743
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Speaker 2: hope the Braves can find a way to bounce back.

744
00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:11,680
Speaker 2: I mean, I feel like it's it's almost like a

745
00:37:11,880 --> 00:37:15,799
Speaker 2: like a toxic relationship at this point where you feel

746
00:37:15,880 --> 00:37:18,040
Speaker 2: like you should probably in your heart of hearts, move on,

747
00:37:18,239 --> 00:37:20,520
Speaker 2: but you just keep coming back to this baseball team.

748
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Speaker 2: And let's hope that the I mean, even a split

749
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Speaker 2: given the very good pitching the Braves you're about to

750
00:37:26,040 --> 00:37:28,880
Speaker 2: run into for four games, even a split out in

751
00:37:28,920 --> 00:37:32,520
Speaker 2: San Francisco would be fine. And then you know, then

752
00:37:32,560 --> 00:37:34,919
Speaker 2: you go to Anaheim to play a bad Angels team.

753
00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:37,080
Speaker 2: Hopefully you can pick up some wins there.

754
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm not gonna derail the podcast talking about Charlie Morton.

755
00:37:41,080 --> 00:37:42,520
Speaker 1: I'm not going to do it, Scott. I'm not gonna

756
00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:44,400
Speaker 1: do it here on the show. When you try to

757
00:37:44,440 --> 00:37:46,840
Speaker 1: retire Charlie this week, it hurt my soul. I have

758
00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:48,799
Speaker 1: to say, it hurt my soul. But we'll say that

759
00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:51,920
Speaker 1: for off the podcast. I'm kidding kind of.

760
00:37:52,560 --> 00:37:54,919
Speaker 2: It might be time, it might be time.

761
00:37:55,920 --> 00:37:58,400
Speaker 1: I disagree, It's okay, No, Obviously he's getting close to

762
00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:01,040
Speaker 1: the end, so we're I'm somewhat tongue in cheek. I'll

763
00:38:01,040 --> 00:38:02,600
Speaker 1: try to Oh yeah, here, here's a stat for you

764
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Speaker 1: on Blake Snell, because you talked about how he's been

765
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Speaker 1: the best picture in the world in recent days. Blake

766
00:38:06,520 --> 00:38:10,040
Speaker 1: Snell last six starts, including a no hitter, he has

767
00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:14,839
Speaker 1: a one point and opponents have an ops of three

768
00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:20,800
Speaker 1: twenty nine against him. So yeah, yeah, maybe the offensive.

769
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Speaker 1: Well we'll carry over to Monday.

770
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Speaker 2: Yeah, see yeah, and you know, one one small note

771
00:38:27,640 --> 00:38:30,320
Speaker 2: to hear to hit on here. You know, Chris Sale

772
00:38:30,360 --> 00:38:34,000
Speaker 2: against Blake Snell is a very good pitching matchup, especially

773
00:38:34,040 --> 00:38:36,839
Speaker 2: the way Snell has been throwing. Now, the last two

774
00:38:36,920 --> 00:38:40,480
Speaker 2: starts for Sale have not been bad, but they have

775
00:38:40,600 --> 00:38:43,520
Speaker 2: also been probably two of his three or four worst

776
00:38:43,520 --> 00:38:46,839
Speaker 2: starts of the year, and that's saying something considering how

777
00:38:46,880 --> 00:38:49,799
Speaker 2: good and how consistent he's been. So let's hope that

778
00:38:49,880 --> 00:38:52,440
Speaker 2: Chris kind of gets back on track to being the

779
00:38:52,520 --> 00:38:56,280
Speaker 2: super elite arm that he has been. Obviously, he's getting

780
00:38:56,320 --> 00:38:59,359
Speaker 2: up there and innings and starts this year, and we've

781
00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:01,719
Speaker 2: talked for were on this show about how important he

782
00:39:01,840 --> 00:39:04,680
Speaker 2: is to the Braves' success. So hopefully Chris can get

783
00:39:04,719 --> 00:39:08,200
Speaker 2: back out there and be his usual dominant a oneself

784
00:39:08,640 --> 00:39:12,440
Speaker 2: after a couple of maybe good but not great starts, Scot.

785
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna throw a curve ball at you before we

786
00:39:13,680 --> 00:39:14,279
Speaker 1: get out of here.

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Speaker 2: Uh.

788
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Speaker 1: I just looked Fangrafts as the Braves with a fifty

789
00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:24,759
Speaker 1: eight point two percent chance to make the playoffs. How's

790
00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:26,279
Speaker 1: that sound? You know?

791
00:39:26,440 --> 00:39:28,800
Speaker 2: I thought you were going to ask me what percent

792
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Speaker 2: they still had of making the playoffs. Should I should

793
00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:33,279
Speaker 2: have asked you that way, and we'll say the number

794
00:39:33,320 --> 00:39:35,760
Speaker 2: that came to my mind was like sixty five percent,

795
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Speaker 2: So I'll see.

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Speaker 1: Your higher than Fangrafts. Congratulations to you on the optimism.

797
00:39:39,800 --> 00:39:42,600
Speaker 1: At the end of the podcast, maybe yeah, maybe I'm

798
00:39:42,600 --> 00:39:45,000
Speaker 1: a fool. No, I think you're probably right. And we're

799
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Speaker 1: recording this during Mets Mariners. If the Mets win, the

800
00:39:49,040 --> 00:39:51,120
Speaker 1: Braves will officially be out of the out of the

801
00:39:51,120 --> 00:39:53,839
Speaker 1: playoffs if the season and of today, if the Mets lose,

802
00:39:53,880 --> 00:39:55,640
Speaker 1: the braz would still be in the playoffs by a

803
00:39:55,680 --> 00:39:59,560
Speaker 1: half game. But yeah, that's where things stand. I tend

804
00:39:59,560 --> 00:40:03,359
Speaker 1: to go on your side. Maybe we're insane, maybe we

805
00:40:03,600 --> 00:40:06,879
Speaker 1: have PTSD. However you want to say it, how did

806
00:40:06,880 --> 00:40:10,040
Speaker 1: they get in? But the chances I'm getting in the

807
00:40:10,040 --> 00:40:12,040
Speaker 1: are a lot lower right now than they were a

808
00:40:12,080 --> 00:40:14,880
Speaker 1: few weeks ago. And we'll leave it there, Scott, anything

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Speaker 1: else you want to share on this grueling episode of

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Speaker 1: the Territory podcast before we sign off?

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Speaker 2: Nothing else, Brad, That's it, Thanks to everybody, sincerely, thank

812
00:40:23,640 --> 00:40:26,960
Speaker 2: you to everybody for tuning in. Let's hope that in

813
00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:31,000
Speaker 2: the coming days these are far more upbeat podcasts. Maybe

814
00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:33,720
Speaker 2: this is a rallying point for this team. I would

815
00:40:33,760 --> 00:40:36,640
Speaker 2: love to be a fly on the wall on the

816
00:40:36,680 --> 00:40:39,479
Speaker 2: team flight tonight and just see how the vibes are.

817
00:40:39,520 --> 00:40:41,480
Speaker 1: But very frustrating.

818
00:40:41,600 --> 00:40:44,040
Speaker 2: I guess if we are looking for silver lining. The

819
00:40:44,120 --> 00:40:47,880
Speaker 2: offense has been very good lately, and maybe that can continue,

820
00:40:48,360 --> 00:40:50,560
Speaker 2: and if the pitching can figure it out and maybe

821
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Speaker 2: just stop being so unlucky, which is obviously something they

822
00:40:53,600 --> 00:40:56,399
Speaker 2: don't have a ton of control over. You know, who knows.

823
00:40:56,440 --> 00:40:59,200
Speaker 2: Maybe we'll look back on this and again, maybe I'm

824
00:40:59,200 --> 00:41:02,319
Speaker 2: the optimistic fool here but maybe we'll look back on

825
00:41:02,360 --> 00:41:04,960
Speaker 2: this as a turning point and something they can rally around.

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Speaker 2: And I don't know, I have no read on this

827
00:41:08,239 --> 00:41:12,200
Speaker 2: team on a nightly basis anymore. And I you, yeah,

828
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Speaker 2: I mean, it's just been such a weird year. But

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Speaker 2: you know, we're in middle August now, we have about

830
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Speaker 2: I think seven weeks left in the regular season, maybe eight.

831
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Speaker 2: You know, we are very quickly approaching the home stretch

832
00:41:24,920 --> 00:41:27,520
Speaker 2: and if this team wants to make the playoffs, they

833
00:41:27,560 --> 00:41:29,680
Speaker 2: have to find a way to start winning baseball games

834
00:41:29,760 --> 00:41:33,239
Speaker 2: or they're gonna get left behind because Arizona and San

835
00:41:33,280 --> 00:41:35,680
Speaker 2: Diego are playing really well right now as the wild

836
00:41:35,680 --> 00:41:38,520
Speaker 2: card one and two, and the Mets, to their credit,

837
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Speaker 2: despite some injuries of their own, have not gone away either.

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Speaker 1: Yep, we are on the same page there. I know

839
00:41:44,520 --> 00:41:47,360
Speaker 1: I mentioned it once before, but in case you were wondering,

840
00:41:47,760 --> 00:41:50,840
Speaker 1: the Braves do play every day this week, four in

841
00:41:50,840 --> 00:41:54,200
Speaker 1: San Francisco and then three in Los Angeles. Five on

842
00:41:54,280 --> 00:41:59,200
Speaker 1: the next six days feature Braves games that begin after

843
00:41:59,480 --> 00:42:03,359
Speaker 1: nine thirty pm Eastern time, So perhaps they will find

844
00:42:03,400 --> 00:42:05,480
Speaker 1: their sea legs when no one is watching outside of

845
00:42:05,520 --> 00:42:08,000
Speaker 1: the sickos like me and people that live out West

846
00:42:08,600 --> 00:42:11,720
Speaker 1: like Scott. Perhaps that's all we need to jumpstart things,

847
00:42:11,719 --> 00:42:15,239
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848
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Speaker 1: next time