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Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, welcome to another episode of I Saw What

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Speaker 1: You Did. My name is Millie to Jericho, I'm Daniel Henderson,

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Speaker 1: and we're doing a field podcast for you once again. Danielle,

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Speaker 1: how are you.

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Speaker 2: I'm all right.

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Speaker 3: I'm pretty tired today, which we discussed minimally at the

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Speaker 3: top of when we first showed up. But I got

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Speaker 3: my my Roy Orbison patches on tavies are eye patches

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Speaker 3: that when I first put them on, Milly thought I

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Speaker 3: was wearing tinted lenses.

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Speaker 1: I thought she was gonna start saying, you got it?

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Speaker 1: And uh, in fact no, Well now so you have

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Speaker 1: your like little therapeutic eye patches. I have like a

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Speaker 1: bunch of medicine on my lip because I busted a

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Speaker 1: hole in my lip. That I say it what I know,

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Speaker 1: don't ask.

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Speaker 2: Don't ask?

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Speaker 3: Can you bust a hole in your Did you try

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Speaker 3: to give yourself a piercing?

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Speaker 2: No?

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Speaker 1: I wish God like one other way is there to do?

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Speaker 1: We should go back to self piercings. You know I

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Speaker 1: pierced my own nose. Did I had to ever tell

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Speaker 1: you that?

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Speaker 2: Or what? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: When I was in high school, me and my friend Danielle,

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Speaker 1: actually another friend of mine. Danielle pierced my nose on

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Speaker 1: my bed in my bedroom my parents' house with a

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Speaker 1: potato and a sewing needle.

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Speaker 2: I feel like that was very common for us.

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Speaker 1: Oh, of course, I think that that was like the

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Speaker 1: nineties way.

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Speaker 3: There was no one like now you can go to

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Speaker 3: like you know, Claire's and get your nose pierced, but

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Speaker 3: you had to go to like an actual tattoo person, yeah,

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Speaker 3: to do it back then.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think I've done at least two or

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Speaker 1: three of the earrings on my left. I think I've

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Speaker 1: done them myself, at least two. Man, those were rough days.

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Speaker 1: I don't want to go back there. I feel like

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Speaker 1: now that there's professionals for things. But yeah, anyway, long

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Speaker 1: story short, I've been I was looking at my face

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Speaker 1: and was like, what's wrong with my face? And then

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Speaker 1: I like started like picking at something that I shouldn't have,

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Speaker 1: So now I have like this weird like medicine on

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Speaker 1: esthetician's office today.

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Speaker 3: We really are at a salon today. This is a

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Speaker 3: salon in more ways than one.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm just like, I'm fucking tired.

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Speaker 3: You probably heard in my voice a little bit, but yeah,

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Speaker 3: I went to the beach last week. My if you,

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Speaker 3: if you read my memoir, then you know that I

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Speaker 3: lost contact with my godmother a long time ago, and

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Speaker 3: like when I was a little kid, she moved away

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Speaker 3: and I recently reconnected with her, which is lovely, and

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Speaker 3: she was up she does live here anymore, but she

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Speaker 2: So I went down the shore and stayed with her.

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Speaker 2: She was staying with her her best friend.

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Speaker 3: And what's so weird is that so it was my godmother,

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Speaker 3: her friend and her sister in law. And what's so

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Speaker 3: strange is that, like, I don't speak to my own mother,

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Speaker 3: but I love hanging out with her friends. Yeah, her

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Speaker 3: like and my and my godmother was really my aunt's friend,

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Speaker 3: They were really friends, Like she went out, you know,

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Speaker 3: when my mom moved to California. They were you know,

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Speaker 1: Man, it's fun. Where does she live now?

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Speaker 3: She lives in Florida now, Oh okay, wow, So she

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Speaker 3: actually came up pretty long ways and she sells you know,

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Speaker 3: But it's just so great and like she came to

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Speaker 3: But I just kept thinking how weird it is that,

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Speaker 3: we'll get into this when we talk about my movie today.

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Speaker 3: But my family doesn't tell me shit. They hardly tell

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Speaker 3: whenever she watched me, would set up my high chair

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Speaker 3: And my first words were may I, because they would

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Speaker 3: And so my first words were gambling words.

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Speaker 1: Hey, that's on brand somehow.

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Speaker 3: Like I knew that I knew that I was an

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Speaker 1: I was like, I don't know what mine were, so

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Speaker 3: She was like she told me the story about how

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Speaker 3: she said, oh, Danny, give Mickey a bite, and I

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Speaker 3: I've always just been a very literate person. Yeah, or

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Speaker 3: literal person. So she's like, no, I meant like the lollipop,

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Speaker 3: but I like bent over and bit the doll. She's like,

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Speaker 3: you were always very funny as a kid.

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Speaker 1: Man, that's so, that's cool that you have all these

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Speaker 3: I mean, my grandmother is has dementia, So even when

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Speaker 2: This with my great aunt or somebody.

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Speaker 3: I don't talk to my mom, and I don't think

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Speaker 3: don't think she's ever really liked me. But that's a

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Speaker 3: or somebody would know. So I just it's nice to

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Speaker 1: I mean, my parents are still alive and I still

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Speaker 1: I mean, I don't like there's only one story that

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Speaker 1: It's the story from when I was like maybe three

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Speaker 3: Got to start doing that story worth But instead of

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Speaker 3: for me and my life. What were my favorite toys

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Speaker 3: when I was a kid? Like, start telling me some shit, please,

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Speaker 3: Because parents only tell us the bad stuff. Yeah, like

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Speaker 3: They'll tell you those kinds of stories, things that annoyed them,

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Speaker 3: but it's never like the darling sweet like oh, you

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Speaker 1: I know. I was like, oh, so the only thing

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Speaker 3: And then I can imagine a little baby Millie just

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Speaker 1: I did find a picture of me where I I mean,

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's my parents are still around. But it's like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: that TikTok? This is so exactly what I'm assuming as

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Speaker 1: Shows this life clip of like him fucking playing golf

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Speaker 1: with these like shinies, old Chinese guys and then they're

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Speaker 1: And I was like, this is standing out now. Now

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Speaker 3: One hundred the fuck percent. You know what they're doing

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Speaker 3: this winter that I've been invited to join.

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Speaker 2: What they're going on? A Viking cruise?

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Speaker 1: Shut the fuck up, man, you you have found the

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Speaker 1: place for you. Are you kidding?

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Speaker 3: Like a ten city stop starting in like Barcelona or

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Speaker 1: My face is turning right. I want to go so bad.

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Speaker 1: What the fuck?

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Speaker 3: Two or three weeks cash out that four to one. K.

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Speaker 2: Let's go.

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Speaker 1: That's the best crew, right. I want a crew that

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Speaker 1: goes on viking cruises.

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Speaker 3: Come on man like and they're all they're so funny

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Speaker 3: and they're just like, we're going, you can come with us.

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Speaker 3: We are like stopping at some of these ports and

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Speaker 3: you're gonna be drinking. It is awesome. It's but I'm like,

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Speaker 2: It doesn't have to be this, It doesn't have to

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Speaker 1: Look, if the spouse can hang, then cool. A lot

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Speaker 3: That it's important too, because it's not I think I

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Speaker 2: Yes, you have to like me.

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Speaker 3: But or just feeling upset because oh they want to

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I mean if you're in a long distance relationship, that's

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Speaker 3: if you're not sure or you know, you want to

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00:20:27,560 --> 00:20:31,359
Speaker 3: be sure that you've kind of matched with someone who

437
00:20:32,119 --> 00:20:34,439
Speaker 3: can appreciate all that stuff about you. It's not just

438
00:20:34,840 --> 00:20:36,639
Speaker 3: do we like each other or we physically attracted to

439
00:20:36,680 --> 00:20:39,240
Speaker 3: each other, which I'm sure I know most people know.

440
00:20:39,320 --> 00:20:41,280
Speaker 3: Like I'm talking about this as if you know some

441
00:20:41,400 --> 00:20:44,960
Speaker 3: dating columnists where people just landed on Earth and don't

442
00:20:45,000 --> 00:20:46,000
Speaker 3: know how to do any of this.

443
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Speaker 1: Should we start a dating podcast? Should we just change

444
00:20:49,200 --> 00:20:50,600
Speaker 1: this podcast to a dating one?

445
00:20:51,359 --> 00:20:54,199
Speaker 3: Can you imagine how hard we would get sued every

446
00:20:54,720 --> 00:20:55,440
Speaker 3: single week?

447
00:20:57,200 --> 00:21:01,240
Speaker 1: I actually think you, I think you actually have a

448
00:21:01,320 --> 00:21:04,800
Speaker 1: very practical dating advice. I would I would accept some

449
00:21:04,920 --> 00:21:07,959
Speaker 1: advice from you, is what I'm saying. Like, look at

450
00:21:08,000 --> 00:21:09,760
Speaker 1: everybody else that's out here talking that shit.

451
00:21:09,880 --> 00:21:15,200
Speaker 3: Your frontal lobe just developed fully, Just stop popping, just

452
00:21:15,240 --> 00:21:17,159
Speaker 3: stop crispin around the edges.

453
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Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm not. I can't sit here and be

454
00:21:21,320 --> 00:21:25,000
Speaker 1: like taking advice from, like from somebody like that. Plus

455
00:21:25,040 --> 00:21:28,399
Speaker 1: it's like, I don't know somebody that like creates an

456
00:21:28,520 --> 00:21:31,399
Speaker 1: entire internet pisoda around the fact that they're like some

457
00:21:31,520 --> 00:21:35,640
Speaker 1: kind of guru of wisdom and you know, and I'm

458
00:21:35,720 --> 00:21:38,760
Speaker 1: just like, okay, like maybe not for me, but.

459
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Speaker 2: I agree with you.

460
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Speaker 3: And it's regardless of age, because I think I'm just

461
00:21:42,280 --> 00:21:45,439
Speaker 3: kind of I'm wary of experts. I'm wary of the

462
00:21:45,480 --> 00:21:49,480
Speaker 3: self imposed experts label. Not because I don't think people

463
00:21:49,600 --> 00:21:53,560
Speaker 3: know things, but because I feel like there is a

464
00:21:53,680 --> 00:21:57,440
Speaker 3: weird level, there's a kind of like a weird level

465
00:21:57,480 --> 00:22:00,560
Speaker 3: of entitlement where they're not allowing them so to still

466
00:22:00,600 --> 00:22:02,760
Speaker 3: grow and evolve and learn. If they say I know

467
00:22:02,840 --> 00:22:05,880
Speaker 3: everything about this right now, that's it, and I would

468
00:22:05,960 --> 00:22:07,919
Speaker 3: rather get advice from someone who's like, I'm still out

469
00:22:07,960 --> 00:22:09,840
Speaker 3: here trying it, but these are some things I've learned

470
00:22:09,880 --> 00:22:11,320
Speaker 3: about myself to be true.

471
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's different sharing your perspective and sharing like the

472
00:22:16,600 --> 00:22:22,480
Speaker 1: things that you've learned, but coveating it by saying, but

473
00:22:22,560 --> 00:22:24,440
Speaker 1: I'm also like a fuck up and I'm a work

474
00:22:24,440 --> 00:22:27,080
Speaker 1: in progress and I'm just a human being. Yeah, I

475
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Speaker 1: think there, but there are people out there that are

476
00:22:29,040 --> 00:22:33,240
Speaker 1: being definitively like I'm I'm trying to tell you how

477
00:22:33,280 --> 00:22:38,640
Speaker 1: to live, and that's the stuff where I'm like, yikes.

478
00:22:40,000 --> 00:22:46,000
Speaker 3: Yikes, indeed, yikes, indeed, Yeah, I definitely can't hang with

479
00:22:46,080 --> 00:22:48,800
Speaker 3: that and that energy. It really is an energy like

480
00:22:48,960 --> 00:22:51,119
Speaker 3: don't come at me with I know everything, come at

481
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Speaker 3: me with.

482
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Speaker 2: Like I don't know, maybe try this like. It's just

483
00:22:53,200 --> 00:22:53,639
Speaker 2: a more.

484
00:22:53,520 --> 00:22:56,080
Speaker 3: Gentle way to indicate that you're also a human being

485
00:22:56,119 --> 00:22:59,520
Speaker 3: who's still trying, yeah, and doesn't have all the answers.

486
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Speaker 1: Well, listen, if I were to give you any advice

487
00:23:02,440 --> 00:23:05,040
Speaker 1: for your life right now, it's that you need to

488
00:23:05,119 --> 00:23:12,720
Speaker 1: go on viking cruises with old ladies. This is quite

489
00:23:12,760 --> 00:23:15,199
Speaker 1: literally a dream of mine, and you're gonna it's in

490
00:23:15,280 --> 00:23:18,320
Speaker 1: your life. It's in, it's in, it's within reach, so

491
00:23:19,040 --> 00:23:20,040
Speaker 1: grab it right there.

492
00:23:20,200 --> 00:23:21,080
Speaker 2: It's right there.

493
00:23:21,160 --> 00:23:23,639
Speaker 3: I mean if I a lot will have to happen

494
00:23:23,880 --> 00:23:24,879
Speaker 3: for that to be true.

495
00:23:25,720 --> 00:23:29,120
Speaker 2: I will have to eventually go back to work and not.

496
00:23:29,119 --> 00:23:31,840
Speaker 3: Stress out about losing my house every day in my

497
00:23:31,880 --> 00:23:40,119
Speaker 3: life before I can hop on a cruise happily. But yeah,

498
00:23:40,200 --> 00:23:44,679
Speaker 3: but if it does happen, because there are some things

499
00:23:44,720 --> 00:23:47,240
Speaker 3: in the mix, if that does happen, I will be

500
00:23:47,280 --> 00:23:48,520
Speaker 3: going on that fucking cruise.

501
00:23:48,600 --> 00:23:51,639
Speaker 1: Look, as somebody who who was unemployed for a very

502
00:23:51,640 --> 00:23:53,560
Speaker 1: long time, you will be back in the high life again,

503
00:23:54,000 --> 00:23:58,560
Speaker 1: as Steve, as Steve Woodward says, you will be because

504
00:23:59,200 --> 00:24:01,879
Speaker 1: you're incredible, smart and talented, and I know you're landing

505
00:24:01,920 --> 00:24:03,040
Speaker 1: on your feet, so.

506
00:24:04,280 --> 00:24:06,359
Speaker 3: Thank you, And I've got Steve Winwood at my back.

507
00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:10,520
Speaker 3: He's the wind beneath my wings. Literally the wind, the

508
00:24:10,560 --> 00:24:12,959
Speaker 3: Steve wind would beneath my wings.

509
00:24:14,520 --> 00:24:17,080
Speaker 1: You'll be doing the fucking Dougie on that like ship

510
00:24:18,280 --> 00:24:19,000
Speaker 1: in no time.

511
00:24:19,080 --> 00:24:21,800
Speaker 3: You'll be like real talk. You know, I'm going over

512
00:24:21,840 --> 00:24:24,360
Speaker 3: the balcony at some point, just by accident, just by

513
00:24:24,440 --> 00:24:26,840
Speaker 3: like every room has a balcony, you know, I'll just

514
00:24:26,840 --> 00:24:29,600
Speaker 3: be I'll trip and fall over my own shoes or something,

515
00:24:30,520 --> 00:24:32,760
Speaker 3: and the coastcard will be like, we never found her body.

516
00:24:32,840 --> 00:24:33,240
Speaker 2: I don't know.

517
00:24:33,320 --> 00:24:36,600
Speaker 3: She's just out there living on a deserted island somewhere.

518
00:24:37,320 --> 00:24:41,320
Speaker 1: That should be the ad promsponsor masterpiece. And it's just

519
00:24:41,480 --> 00:24:46,439
Speaker 1: you flip it over the railing and falling into the Mediterranean.

520
00:24:49,800 --> 00:24:53,320
Speaker 3: Just come on our cruise and just slip into the sea.

521
00:24:54,160 --> 00:24:56,440
Speaker 3: Worst things have happened. You might make it.

522
00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:02,800
Speaker 1: Daniel Henderson falling over the railing.

523
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Speaker 3: Just and genuinely, just from my own clumsiness, not even

524
00:25:06,720 --> 00:25:09,600
Speaker 3: like oh she did something or she's drinking or whatever, like, no,

525
00:25:09,840 --> 00:25:12,480
Speaker 3: just my own clumsiness will send me over the edge.

526
00:25:12,520 --> 00:25:13,440
Speaker 2: You know that's gonna happen.

527
00:25:13,520 --> 00:25:16,080
Speaker 1: Right, You're like the only person who actually slipped on

528
00:25:16,119 --> 00:25:18,640
Speaker 1: a banana pail and flipped over a railing like that's.

529
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Speaker 3: Completely Also, I'm going to add here in advance an

530
00:25:23,920 --> 00:25:27,800
Speaker 3: advance warning, please do not send us emails about why

531
00:25:27,840 --> 00:25:31,000
Speaker 3: you love doing everything with your partner, because I know

532
00:25:31,119 --> 00:25:33,280
Speaker 3: that's coming. I know half of you already fired up

533
00:25:33,320 --> 00:25:35,360
Speaker 3: those email fingers and you're like, but this is why

534
00:25:35,359 --> 00:25:37,800
Speaker 3: we do everything together. We had surgery and we're conjoined

535
00:25:37,800 --> 00:25:41,960
Speaker 3: at the fucking wrisk. Whatever, it is great for you.

536
00:25:42,920 --> 00:25:46,199
Speaker 3: I'm genuinely happy for you. Yeah, if your friends can

537
00:25:46,280 --> 00:25:49,119
Speaker 3: hang with your partner and you're having a good I

538
00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:50,399
Speaker 3: do not want to hear about it.

539
00:25:50,440 --> 00:25:53,120
Speaker 2: I just don't let me have this opinion.

540
00:25:53,200 --> 00:25:55,159
Speaker 3: Let me have this opinion then, and for me, I

541
00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:58,240
Speaker 3: can't live that life. And I think more people should

542
00:25:58,320 --> 00:26:02,320
Speaker 3: just hang with their people and not bring their mayonnaise everywhere.

543
00:26:02,920 --> 00:26:06,920
Speaker 1: Well, listen, I think this is your This has been

544
00:26:07,080 --> 00:26:10,879
Speaker 1: use authentically since minute one of this podcast. You've always like,

545
00:26:11,119 --> 00:26:13,280
Speaker 1: you need your own space. You don't want to marry

546
00:26:13,280 --> 00:26:15,520
Speaker 1: the blob unless the blob can be an out of

547
00:26:15,520 --> 00:26:18,879
Speaker 1: space for half the time. Right, Like, we know this

548
00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:21,520
Speaker 1: about you, and I respect it. I mean I will

549
00:26:21,520 --> 00:26:24,680
Speaker 1: say that I think that my you know, listen, Hey,

550
00:26:25,040 --> 00:26:27,479
Speaker 1: if my partner was down for the stuff that I

551
00:26:27,560 --> 00:26:31,679
Speaker 1: liked fantastic, like I would, I mean, trust me, like

552
00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:35,160
Speaker 1: I I would probably I say this now, even though

553
00:26:35,160 --> 00:26:37,560
Speaker 1: I might regret this, I might live with someone again.

554
00:26:37,880 --> 00:26:41,080
Speaker 1: I would be open to that. Maybe I definitely would

555
00:26:41,119 --> 00:26:43,760
Speaker 1: travel with with with them and like I would love

556
00:26:43,800 --> 00:26:47,239
Speaker 1: to do things with them. But the reality is is

557
00:26:47,280 --> 00:26:50,560
Speaker 1: that most times at this age, people were just the

558
00:26:50,600 --> 00:26:54,080
Speaker 1: way that they are. And yes, I'm not going to

559
00:26:54,119 --> 00:26:56,080
Speaker 1: try to force that, you know what I mean. So

560
00:26:56,119 --> 00:26:57,840
Speaker 1: I'm just being realistic, that's all.

561
00:26:57,880 --> 00:26:59,679
Speaker 3: And that's also more to my point, which is that

562
00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:03,239
Speaker 3: enjoy the things you enjoy together. Don't deny yourself the

563
00:27:03,280 --> 00:27:05,399
Speaker 3: things that you enjoy just because the person you're with

564
00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:06,280
Speaker 3: doesn't want to do them.

565
00:27:06,760 --> 00:27:08,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, go to the movie.

566
00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:10,159
Speaker 3: That you want to see alone with your friend. Go

567
00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:12,840
Speaker 3: on the fucking vacation your fucking partner doesn't want to

568
00:27:12,880 --> 00:27:16,480
Speaker 3: go to Pompeii or Easter Island, figure that shit out,

569
00:27:16,520 --> 00:27:18,199
Speaker 3: Go on your own, go with a friend. Like I,

570
00:27:18,320 --> 00:27:22,200
Speaker 3: just don't limit yourself for a partnership because it doesn't

571
00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:24,000
Speaker 3: have to be that way. And it's also not the

572
00:27:24,040 --> 00:27:28,080
Speaker 3: sign of a failing partnership that you do think separately. Yeah,

573
00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:30,840
Speaker 3: and don't don't tell me about the target runs and

574
00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:31,760
Speaker 3: everything you love doing.

575
00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:34,439
Speaker 2: I get it. I'm well aware of those people.

576
00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:36,760
Speaker 3: They are in my life.

577
00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:41,639
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, listen, I can go either or I

578
00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:44,040
Speaker 1: would love to take naps with you. I would love

579
00:27:44,080 --> 00:27:46,280
Speaker 1: to go to Home Depot with you. But also if

580
00:27:46,359 --> 00:27:48,840
Speaker 1: you don't like anything that I like, and you're just

581
00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:52,439
Speaker 1: like I love and support you, but I'm not fucking

582
00:27:53,040 --> 00:27:56,600
Speaker 1: I'm not going to that going to THEA McIntire coordinazed

583
00:27:56,640 --> 00:28:00,720
Speaker 1: with you. Fine, Fine, also, fine, We're good.

584
00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:05,400
Speaker 3: I'm not getting on the Tower of Terror at six

585
00:28:05,480 --> 00:28:12,159
Speaker 3: Flags on Halloween, and I am not spending eighty dollars

586
00:28:12,160 --> 00:28:14,240
Speaker 3: on an Andre three thousand T shirt at a concert.

587
00:28:14,320 --> 00:28:18,080
Speaker 1: I'm not going to three or four LLB in stores

588
00:28:18,080 --> 00:28:22,920
Speaker 1: with you. That's what I'm for. That's what Danielle's for exactly.

589
00:28:27,760 --> 00:28:30,520
Speaker 3: Oh, speaking of something completely the opposite of what we've

590
00:28:30,560 --> 00:28:31,240
Speaker 3: just been talking about.

591
00:28:31,280 --> 00:28:32,240
Speaker 2: Let's get into our movies.

592
00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:38,440
Speaker 1: Let's go. Oh my goodness, Danielle, this week.

593
00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:41,720
Speaker 3: This week bummed me the fuck out.

594
00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:44,280
Speaker 1: Okay, I want to go back and ask you this

595
00:28:44,360 --> 00:28:46,280
Speaker 1: because I swear to God, I thought when we were

596
00:28:46,320 --> 00:28:50,040
Speaker 1: coming up with the themes for this section of time.

597
00:28:50,440 --> 00:28:52,959
Speaker 1: I thought we were trying to be happy and fun

598
00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:56,280
Speaker 1: and like effervescent. Were we being like, oh yeah, let's

599
00:28:56,280 --> 00:28:58,120
Speaker 1: do like a bunch of like cool I don't know,

600
00:28:58,200 --> 00:29:01,440
Speaker 1: like summerish type of movie is like give ourselves some space,

601
00:29:01,640 --> 00:29:05,720
Speaker 1: like nothing like emotionally draining And then this shit.

602
00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:08,960
Speaker 3: Well, also last week we had Children of Men in

603
00:29:09,040 --> 00:29:12,560
Speaker 3: mad Max Fury Road. What happened this? Why am I

604
00:29:12,840 --> 00:29:16,840
Speaker 3: so bad at picking good happy shit? We're supposed to be.

605
00:29:16,760 --> 00:29:21,080
Speaker 1: In our Dante's peak moment, we ruined it for the

606
00:29:21,120 --> 00:29:21,960
Speaker 1: past couple of weeks.

607
00:29:22,040 --> 00:29:24,880
Speaker 3: So I think this I'm thinking of this as an

608
00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:27,800
Speaker 3: autumnal reset. This is coming out like the second week

609
00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:30,000
Speaker 3: of September, and maybe all just need to bring that

610
00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:32,160
Speaker 3: summer energy down a bit. And that's where these movies

611
00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:34,680
Speaker 3: will come in handy, because you will cry for a

612
00:29:34,760 --> 00:29:40,800
Speaker 3: long time. Yeah, possibly after watching these movies foreshore.

613
00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:43,000
Speaker 1: So what tell them what the theme is this week?

614
00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:47,120
Speaker 3: Our theme this week is an ass pocket a whiskey,

615
00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:54,520
Speaker 3: and our alternate theme could be men Don't protect you anymore?

616
00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:58,880
Speaker 3: That Jenny Holtzer art piece. Because we're talking about women

617
00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:03,080
Speaker 3: in creative women who have been failed in some way,

618
00:30:05,360 --> 00:30:06,480
Speaker 3: in big ways.

619
00:30:06,840 --> 00:30:09,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, can I just tell you that, like last year,

620
00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:14,040
Speaker 1: I think it was last year, I actually watched both

621
00:30:14,040 --> 00:30:18,120
Speaker 1: of these movies in very close proximity to each other,

622
00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:21,320
Speaker 1: Like I watched The Rose with like some friends of mine,

623
00:30:21,360 --> 00:30:24,760
Speaker 1: because everybody was like everybody in my friend group was like,

624
00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:27,320
Speaker 1: let's watch a bunch of middller movies. And so we

625
00:30:27,440 --> 00:30:30,080
Speaker 1: eventually got around of this one, and that's that's my

626
00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:31,920
Speaker 1: movie for this week. But then I want to say,

627
00:30:31,960 --> 00:30:35,280
Speaker 1: I watched Ladies Sings the Blues like maybe two or

628
00:30:35,280 --> 00:30:38,080
Speaker 1: three weeks after, and I was like, wow, these are

629
00:30:38,160 --> 00:30:42,000
Speaker 1: very similar movies in a way, right, And so when

630
00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:43,920
Speaker 1: they popped up in the theme, I was like, Okay,

631
00:30:43,920 --> 00:30:45,840
Speaker 1: now I'm gonna watch my a true double feature, and

632
00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:49,600
Speaker 1: then felt so bad after both.

633
00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:52,239
Speaker 3: Maybe that's why I'm so I'm like, maybe that's why

634
00:30:52,280 --> 00:30:56,240
Speaker 3: I'm so tired. I'm truly emotionally exhausted after watching this

635
00:30:56,320 --> 00:30:59,000
Speaker 3: week's movies. Which is not to say don't watch them. No,

636
00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:01,880
Speaker 3: you must if you're tender. If you're tender bitch like

637
00:31:02,280 --> 00:31:04,120
Speaker 3: me and Milly, maybe you don't watch them as a

638
00:31:04,120 --> 00:31:07,320
Speaker 3: double feature. They must be watched, though, I think I

639
00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:11,360
Speaker 3: think They're crucial to our development of understanding how women

640
00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:12,640
Speaker 3: are treated.

641
00:31:12,280 --> 00:31:13,200
Speaker 2: When they're artistic.

642
00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:16,520
Speaker 3: And if you want to have the most depressing triple

643
00:31:16,520 --> 00:31:19,200
Speaker 3: feature of your life throwing the Emmy Winehouse documentary, no

644
00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:20,200
Speaker 3: one protected her either.

645
00:31:21,160 --> 00:31:23,880
Speaker 1: Well, I like this is the thing, Like maybe this

646
00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:27,520
Speaker 1: is maybe I don't know, maybe you've sort of summoned

647
00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:34,000
Speaker 1: up a topic in our intro about partner support, right,

648
00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:38,760
Speaker 1: or like the ways in which women are either supported

649
00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:41,080
Speaker 1: or not supported by their partners, And I feel like

650
00:31:41,120 --> 00:31:43,000
Speaker 1: those This is like the theme that runs through both

651
00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:45,520
Speaker 1: of these movies, right, is like these women who are

652
00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:52,320
Speaker 1: professional artists who meet men and they're kind of like, then,

653
00:31:52,360 --> 00:31:56,600
Speaker 1: how do they navigate the career with the relationship with

654
00:31:56,920 --> 00:32:02,120
Speaker 1: the you know, habits, yep, the road like that kind

655
00:32:02,120 --> 00:32:04,960
Speaker 1: of stuff. I don't know. It's interesting that now that

656
00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:07,480
Speaker 1: now the intro is like that we just did is

657
00:32:07,520 --> 00:32:09,600
Speaker 1: makeing a little bit more sense for this theme.

658
00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:13,760
Speaker 3: We didn't plan it, but subconsciously we are about those connections.

659
00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:20,160
Speaker 1: Well, and like, quite honestly, I uh, the music that

660
00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:22,600
Speaker 1: appears in my movie I'm going first this week anyway,

661
00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:25,200
Speaker 1: so yeah, you'll probably get into it is not necessarily

662
00:32:25,240 --> 00:32:28,800
Speaker 1: my style, but I also feel like her. I want

663
00:32:28,840 --> 00:32:32,920
Speaker 1: to say that when I watched Bet Midler talk about

664
00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:37,200
Speaker 1: forming the character that she played in The Rose, that

665
00:32:37,280 --> 00:32:42,040
Speaker 1: she did consider the life of your of the person

666
00:32:42,040 --> 00:32:45,200
Speaker 1: that starts in your film, So it was kind of

667
00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:48,719
Speaker 1: like a weird influence for her completely.

668
00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:51,600
Speaker 3: So yeah, because there's a there's a lot of these

669
00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:55,600
Speaker 3: tragic life stories. I mean mine, Mine is based on

670
00:32:56,040 --> 00:33:00,640
Speaker 3: a real life musician. The Rose is a fictional music who's,

671
00:33:00,840 --> 00:33:02,520
Speaker 3: like you said, pulled elements.

672
00:33:02,080 --> 00:33:02,720
Speaker 2: From real life.

673
00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:07,200
Speaker 3: Because there are just a lot of people, women in particular,

674
00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:10,920
Speaker 3: who really, for a long time got run through the

675
00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:14,240
Speaker 3: ringer for the sake of their art. I hope that's

676
00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:16,440
Speaker 3: not happening as much now. I think there are other

677
00:33:16,520 --> 00:33:18,959
Speaker 3: issues and other problems. I think people are more aware

678
00:33:19,080 --> 00:33:22,480
Speaker 3: of the exhaustion that comes with this kind of life

679
00:33:22,520 --> 00:33:26,040
Speaker 3: and touring, and they're a little bit more healthy about

680
00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:30,400
Speaker 3: protecting themselves from certain things, but not everyone. And I

681
00:33:30,440 --> 00:33:33,200
Speaker 3: think that there again, other problems just pop up where

682
00:33:33,880 --> 00:33:36,880
Speaker 3: you know you have to always struggle. It's always a

683
00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:38,440
Speaker 3: struggle for me when I watch women who are at

684
00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:41,720
Speaker 3: the top of their game having to make excuses for

685
00:33:41,760 --> 00:33:44,520
Speaker 3: why they need a break or why they need to

686
00:33:44,600 --> 00:33:46,719
Speaker 3: pull back, or why they need help or why they

687
00:33:46,800 --> 00:33:49,120
Speaker 3: you know, why they need anything. So I think both

688
00:33:49,120 --> 00:33:52,680
Speaker 3: of these movies kind of exemplify that as well. I

689
00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:54,880
Speaker 3: fucking love your movie so much. I've loved it since

690
00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:58,040
Speaker 3: I was, you know, too young to watch it for sure,

691
00:33:58,880 --> 00:34:01,800
Speaker 3: but Bett Miller is incredible in this role.

692
00:34:01,880 --> 00:34:04,920
Speaker 2: She really like physically gives her all.

693
00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:09,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure. And it's also like this time rewatching

694
00:34:09,840 --> 00:34:13,799
Speaker 1: it really made me think about like dating musicians, which

695
00:34:14,160 --> 00:34:15,200
Speaker 1: I've never done before.

696
00:34:15,239 --> 00:34:16,040
Speaker 3: I know you have.

697
00:34:16,840 --> 00:34:20,640
Speaker 1: I don't know if you have any wisdom or experiences

698
00:34:20,680 --> 00:34:22,960
Speaker 1: to share, but I was always like, I don't know.

699
00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:27,360
Speaker 1: I think everybody is sort of enchanted by the idea

700
00:34:27,400 --> 00:34:31,400
Speaker 1: of dating musicians obviously, but then I don't know, something

701
00:34:31,440 --> 00:34:33,560
Speaker 1: like my movie happens and I'm like, oh, wait a minute,

702
00:34:33,560 --> 00:34:37,080
Speaker 1: that must be really hard for a regular person. I

703
00:34:37,120 --> 00:34:38,359
Speaker 1: don't know how you felt, but.

704
00:34:38,640 --> 00:34:41,320
Speaker 3: Well, yes, I have dated musicians. I might still be

705
00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:43,480
Speaker 3: dating musicians.

706
00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:48,120
Speaker 2: But it is again.

707
00:34:47,920 --> 00:34:52,920
Speaker 3: Comparing younger self to current self. I think it's completely possible.

708
00:34:53,640 --> 00:34:56,359
Speaker 3: You have to have very good communication, and you have

709
00:34:56,480 --> 00:35:02,200
Speaker 3: to be incredibly realistic about how how limited they are

710
00:35:02,239 --> 00:35:04,560
Speaker 3: with time. So even if it seems like well, they're

711
00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:07,920
Speaker 3: just playing a show once a night, a couple of

712
00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:08,440
Speaker 3: nights a week.

713
00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:09,120
Speaker 2: They should have.

714
00:35:09,080 --> 00:35:10,680
Speaker 3: Plenty of time to call me or hang out with

715
00:35:10,719 --> 00:35:12,839
Speaker 3: me or text me or whatever. There are things behind

716
00:35:12,880 --> 00:35:15,840
Speaker 3: the scenes that you can't even imagine, you know, radio

717
00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:19,879
Speaker 3: interviews and rehearsals and you know, meeting up with other

718
00:35:19,960 --> 00:35:21,759
Speaker 3: musicians and just wanting to relax and have a good

719
00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:24,399
Speaker 3: time and physical shit and getting massages and doing ice

720
00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:27,759
Speaker 3: bad Like they're like athletes in a way, So it's

721
00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:31,319
Speaker 3: not you just have to be very realistic about what

722
00:35:31,360 --> 00:35:35,000
Speaker 3: they need as people, I think, to do the job

723
00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:39,040
Speaker 3: they're doing first and not necessarily minimize your own needs,

724
00:35:39,080 --> 00:35:42,320
Speaker 3: but just recognize that if you're dating a Tory musician,

725
00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:45,360
Speaker 3: it's not going to be all about you most of

726
00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:47,480
Speaker 3: the time. If you need that in your relationship to

727
00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:50,840
Speaker 3: feel secure, then there will be several months out of

728
00:35:50,840 --> 00:35:51,960
Speaker 3: the year where you don't have that.

729
00:35:53,480 --> 00:35:57,759
Speaker 1: So yeah, I think my vision of dating a musician

730
00:35:58,120 --> 00:36:01,640
Speaker 1: one day is I need them to be in there

731
00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:05,760
Speaker 1: like I'm a composer for the for the cinema things

732
00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:08,279
Speaker 1: of their career, where they just like lock themselves in

733
00:36:08,360 --> 00:36:12,120
Speaker 1: the studio with a piano and then come out of

734
00:36:12,160 --> 00:36:14,960
Speaker 1: the studio and then we have dinner and stoutly like

735
00:36:15,360 --> 00:36:18,520
Speaker 1: the touring component. I mean this, this really hit I

736
00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:20,400
Speaker 1: think with both of the movies this week, I was like, man,

737
00:36:20,440 --> 00:36:24,080
Speaker 1: the touring component seems like such a fucking like factor,

738
00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:29,600
Speaker 1: Like just things are so unknown in that world that

739
00:36:29,719 --> 00:36:31,120
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know if I could handle

740
00:36:31,120 --> 00:36:33,480
Speaker 1: it as a normal person, but I know.

741
00:36:33,600 --> 00:36:36,200
Speaker 3: And that's again another thing where I feel like in

742
00:36:36,239 --> 00:36:38,200
Speaker 3: my twenties when I'd be on tour buses and shit,

743
00:36:38,280 --> 00:36:41,040
Speaker 3: and like you know, it was fun as hell. It

744
00:36:41,120 --> 00:36:43,920
Speaker 3: was super fun because I had nothing attached to it.

745
00:36:44,600 --> 00:36:46,719
Speaker 3: But at this point in my life, I will say

746
00:36:46,800 --> 00:36:50,840
Speaker 3: it is much better. It feels better to date a

747
00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:56,480
Speaker 3: musician who treats their profession seriously and doesn't treat touring

748
00:36:56,640 --> 00:37:01,400
Speaker 3: like a free for all, because there's time and a

749
00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:04,279
Speaker 3: place for that. But the longevity of your band and

750
00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:06,640
Speaker 3: your relationships really depends on your ability to be a

751
00:37:06,680 --> 00:37:11,239
Speaker 3: real person sometimes, so yeah, that shit's but you know,

752
00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:13,319
Speaker 3: being on a tour bus is fun and I'm so

753
00:37:13,840 --> 00:37:18,600
Speaker 3: lucky that nothing bad happened to me like buses right,

754
00:37:18,640 --> 00:37:21,719
Speaker 3: Like dor buses are the site of massive trauma for

755
00:37:21,800 --> 00:37:26,239
Speaker 3: a lot of people, particularly women and young women, And

756
00:37:26,360 --> 00:37:28,680
Speaker 3: I don't know, I'm just I'm very lucky that for

757
00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:31,920
Speaker 3: a lot of my life I've done incredibly reckless things

758
00:37:32,520 --> 00:37:35,480
Speaker 3: that didn't seem reckless at the time, and I mostly

759
00:37:35,520 --> 00:37:36,480
Speaker 3: came out unscathed.

760
00:37:37,480 --> 00:37:37,719
Speaker 2: Yeah.

761
00:37:37,800 --> 00:37:39,400
Speaker 1: I used to hang out with grown ass men in

762
00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:43,040
Speaker 1: bands when I was in high school. I mean I did,

763
00:37:43,120 --> 00:37:46,239
Speaker 1: I mean, and not anything, but just like being at

764
00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:51,480
Speaker 1: someone's apartment after the concert, just hanging out. Nothing bad happened,

765
00:37:51,520 --> 00:37:55,200
Speaker 1: and I'm just like, thank God, nothing bad happened.

766
00:37:55,840 --> 00:37:58,200
Speaker 3: We run through it, we really, you know, Because again

767
00:37:58,239 --> 00:38:00,600
Speaker 3: that's part of what this what I both of our

768
00:38:00,640 --> 00:38:06,600
Speaker 3: films I think also elucidate a bit is that as layman,

769
00:38:06,680 --> 00:38:09,239
Speaker 3: we always see the touring side of things as very

770
00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:14,800
Speaker 3: seductive and attractive and fun and interesting, but it's mostly

771
00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:22,719
Speaker 3: just very fractured and dangerous and fraught and weird. So

772
00:38:22,760 --> 00:38:25,200
Speaker 3: I think there's there's a perception of touring that that

773
00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:28,919
Speaker 3: makes us want to be part of that world when

774
00:38:28,920 --> 00:38:31,080
Speaker 3: we're you know, when you're younger, or even when you're older.

775
00:38:31,480 --> 00:38:33,399
Speaker 3: But I can see how as teenagers we got kind

776
00:38:33,400 --> 00:38:36,440
Speaker 3: of wrapped up in being around that scene because it

777
00:38:36,440 --> 00:38:39,640
Speaker 3: seemed very to me very seductive and very like, well,

778
00:38:39,640 --> 00:38:41,279
Speaker 3: this is where the artists are, this is where the

779
00:38:41,360 --> 00:38:44,319
Speaker 3: people are that I want to hang out with. So yeah,

780
00:38:44,360 --> 00:38:47,640
Speaker 3: I can see how that gets a little convoluted, but

781
00:38:47,680 --> 00:38:50,200
Speaker 3: just fucking protect yourself, bring friends, don't be alone with

782
00:38:50,239 --> 00:38:54,840
Speaker 3: any creeps, trust your gut, understand that there are indeed

783
00:38:54,840 --> 00:38:55,680
Speaker 3: creeps out there.

784
00:38:56,719 --> 00:39:00,880
Speaker 1: Like well, I think to your point is, like, you know,

785
00:39:01,040 --> 00:39:05,680
Speaker 1: alternative indie punk rock music made you made the barrier

786
00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:09,920
Speaker 1: between fan and artists like pretty pretty non existent. I

787
00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:12,640
Speaker 1: mean it's like, you know, it wasn't like I was

788
00:39:12,640 --> 00:39:16,400
Speaker 1: sitting around hanging out backstage with like fucking Donnie Wahlberg

789
00:39:16,480 --> 00:39:17,680
Speaker 1: or something, you know what I mean. It was like, oh,

790
00:39:17,680 --> 00:39:19,239
Speaker 1: I was just hanging out with people who were in

791
00:39:19,320 --> 00:39:22,720
Speaker 1: bands who were grown ups, but they were also like able.

792
00:39:23,440 --> 00:39:26,879
Speaker 1: They slept on people's couches, they you know, basically did

793
00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:30,120
Speaker 1: small club shows where you could like theoretically hang out

794
00:39:30,120 --> 00:39:33,720
Speaker 1: with them, and so that kind of created a different

795
00:39:33,760 --> 00:39:36,839
Speaker 1: scenario than maybe like some you know, like hanging out

796
00:39:36,840 --> 00:39:40,560
Speaker 1: with Beyonce or something. But yeah, I agree. I feel

797
00:39:40,560 --> 00:39:43,120
Speaker 1: like I think these two movies are just like really

798
00:39:43,120 --> 00:39:45,920
Speaker 1: good together because it talks about like the realities of

799
00:39:45,960 --> 00:39:48,680
Speaker 1: touring and being a touring musician trying to have a

800
00:39:48,719 --> 00:39:51,840
Speaker 1: normal life when you probably can't have a normal life,

801
00:39:51,880 --> 00:39:54,319
Speaker 1: and then also being a woman on top of all

802
00:39:54,360 --> 00:39:58,120
Speaker 1: of that, and how that's different for them, and also

803
00:39:58,200 --> 00:40:00,480
Speaker 1: the ways in which like the men that come into

804
00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:04,640
Speaker 1: their lives affect everything. So I don't know, this is

805
00:40:04,640 --> 00:40:05,359
Speaker 1: gonna be a good week.

806
00:40:05,400 --> 00:40:06,160
Speaker 3: It's sad.

807
00:40:06,520 --> 00:40:09,359
Speaker 1: It's sad, but it's good. And I want y'all all

808
00:40:09,400 --> 00:40:10,160
Speaker 1: to watch the movies.

809
00:40:10,200 --> 00:40:12,800
Speaker 3: So Sae, well you're going first. I love your film,

810
00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:14,319
Speaker 3: can't wait for you to talk about it.

811
00:40:14,560 --> 00:40:18,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, let's go. So my movie is from nineteen

812
00:40:18,640 --> 00:40:22,520
Speaker 1: seventy nine. It was written by Bo Goldman and Bill Kirby.

813
00:40:22,560 --> 00:40:24,800
Speaker 1: It was directed by Mark right Now, and it's called

814
00:40:24,880 --> 00:40:27,759
Speaker 1: The Rose. Pretty many dollars for the days when talking

815
00:40:27,760 --> 00:40:29,680
Speaker 1: about catching a nan I just can't drench up to

816
00:40:29,800 --> 00:40:33,920
Speaker 1: sincerity anymore. Wrong. Yeah, So, I don't know a one

817
00:40:33,960 --> 00:40:37,640
Speaker 1: sentence synopsis. I mean, it's pretty it's pretty much like

818
00:40:38,840 --> 00:40:40,920
Speaker 1: I don't know. I won't call it a standard biopic,

819
00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:48,400
Speaker 1: but it's basically a female musician is battling demons with

820
00:40:48,600 --> 00:40:52,959
Speaker 1: her life and her career while also meeting a man

821
00:40:53,080 --> 00:40:55,359
Speaker 1: who throws a wrench in an entire plan.

822
00:40:56,080 --> 00:40:56,360
Speaker 2: Yep.

823
00:40:58,400 --> 00:41:04,839
Speaker 1: So this is Bette Miller's first starring role. If you know,

824
00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:07,279
Speaker 1: you probably know more than me about Bette Miller. Guys,

825
00:41:07,360 --> 00:41:10,879
Speaker 1: let's get serious. But she started her career off off

826
00:41:10,920 --> 00:41:16,960
Speaker 1: Broadway in the late sixties and then famously performed with

827
00:41:17,120 --> 00:41:20,200
Speaker 1: Barry Manilo. By the way, I always forget that that

828
00:41:20,320 --> 00:41:24,200
Speaker 1: her and Barry Manilo performed at the Continental Baths, which

829
00:41:24,280 --> 00:41:26,960
Speaker 1: is the gay bathhouse that was in the basement of

830
00:41:27,080 --> 00:41:30,080
Speaker 1: the Ansonia Hotel in New York City. And this was,

831
00:41:30,640 --> 00:41:32,560
Speaker 1: you know, the beginning of her career, and then eventually

832
00:41:32,600 --> 00:41:35,160
Speaker 1: she started releasing music and then it wasn't until The

833
00:41:35,239 --> 00:41:37,320
Speaker 1: Rose in nineteen seventy nine. That was her first movie,

834
00:41:37,760 --> 00:41:40,680
Speaker 1: and it was co produced by her agent at the time.

835
00:41:41,040 --> 00:41:44,280
Speaker 1: So yeah, she was going to start in a movie.

836
00:41:44,360 --> 00:41:47,080
Speaker 1: And she actually got nominated for an Oscar for this,

837
00:41:47,120 --> 00:41:49,919
Speaker 1: which I think is really cool. So the whole thing

838
00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:52,480
Speaker 1: that you talked about in terms of it being sort

839
00:41:52,520 --> 00:41:55,920
Speaker 1: of sort of a Janis Joplin biopick, or at least

840
00:41:56,880 --> 00:41:59,920
Speaker 1: inspired by the life of Janis Joplin, it was initially

841
00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:05,320
Speaker 1: supposed to be an actual jazz Choplin film, and it

842
00:42:05,400 --> 00:42:09,920
Speaker 1: was called Pearl, you know, obviously, and I've read so

843
00:42:10,120 --> 00:42:12,960
Speaker 1: many directors were attached to it at one point, Like

844
00:42:13,520 --> 00:42:16,120
Speaker 1: I think I read that the first director that got

845
00:42:16,160 --> 00:42:19,640
Speaker 1: approached to make it is Ken Russell, And I'm like,

846
00:42:20,120 --> 00:42:29,240
Speaker 1: can you imagine a Ken Russell Janis Joplin biopic? It's

847
00:42:29,280 --> 00:42:32,680
Speaker 1: probably I mean, I just it would probably just be

848
00:42:32,800 --> 00:42:36,600
Speaker 1: so insane I can't even think of it. But yeah,

849
00:42:36,640 --> 00:42:39,000
Speaker 1: So I think the story goes is that they were

850
00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:42,960
Speaker 1: planning on it being about Janice and then her estate

851
00:42:43,200 --> 00:42:48,080
Speaker 1: basically declined, and so it kind of turned into what

852
00:42:48,120 --> 00:42:50,359
Speaker 1: the Rose actually became, which is sort of inspired by

853
00:42:50,360 --> 00:42:52,560
Speaker 1: a character that's supposed to be like Janz Choplin but

854
00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:58,040
Speaker 1: is a separate entity. And so Bette Midler plays a

855
00:42:58,080 --> 00:43:04,239
Speaker 1: woman named and Rose is a wild child of the

856
00:43:04,320 --> 00:43:09,000
Speaker 1: late sixties. She drinks and swears, and she was a

857
00:43:09,040 --> 00:43:13,680
Speaker 1: former heroin Addict and she's physical and you know, just

858
00:43:13,960 --> 00:43:17,360
Speaker 1: very like unabashed and just kind of has this like

859
00:43:17,680 --> 00:43:24,319
Speaker 1: very bold persona, right and right off the bat, you're like,

860
00:43:24,440 --> 00:43:27,840
Speaker 1: she's wild because she carries full bottles of alcohol in

861
00:43:27,880 --> 00:43:31,920
Speaker 1: her little hippie bag, which she just pulls out like

862
00:43:31,960 --> 00:43:34,799
Speaker 1: she pull out an entire bottle, like not even an

863
00:43:34,840 --> 00:43:39,400
Speaker 1: ass pocket of woist, but like a full, full strength

864
00:43:39,440 --> 00:43:43,480
Speaker 1: bottle and she carries out. God, do you remember those

865
00:43:43,640 --> 00:43:46,680
Speaker 1: bags from high school with like they were like messenger

866
00:43:46,760 --> 00:43:48,719
Speaker 1: bags made of cloth, and you just like put the

867
00:43:48,719 --> 00:43:50,799
Speaker 1: whole thing over your body. It kind of like a

868
00:43:50,880 --> 00:43:52,360
Speaker 1: mailman's sack.

869
00:43:52,960 --> 00:43:55,880
Speaker 3: Hell yeah, embroidered. It throws some fucking sequence on it,

870
00:43:55,960 --> 00:43:58,000
Speaker 3: some pearls of like beads or whatever.

871
00:43:59,200 --> 00:44:01,719
Speaker 1: I ever had one of those backs because I was

872
00:44:02,440 --> 00:44:04,719
Speaker 1: into carrying lunchboxes as purses.

873
00:44:05,200 --> 00:44:09,160
Speaker 2: Oh I did both. I did both, bitch.

874
00:44:09,800 --> 00:44:13,160
Speaker 3: I bet, But it's so fut a lunchbox in the

875
00:44:13,200 --> 00:44:15,279
Speaker 3: satchel got the lunch.

876
00:44:16,000 --> 00:44:18,720
Speaker 1: The satchel is never ending.

877
00:44:18,760 --> 00:44:19,000
Speaker 2: Though.

878
00:44:19,239 --> 00:44:22,359
Speaker 1: How much space did that satchel hold? It was like

879
00:44:22,440 --> 00:44:25,680
Speaker 1: you could put fucking three pairs of shoes in there

880
00:44:25,960 --> 00:44:29,160
Speaker 1: and like a whole you know, a whole bottle of alcohol.

881
00:44:29,239 --> 00:44:36,520
Speaker 3: Apparently you could put books for school. Let's say you

882
00:44:36,520 --> 00:44:40,600
Speaker 3: were in drum Corps Daniel Henderson. Afterwards, you could put

883
00:44:40,840 --> 00:44:44,520
Speaker 3: your drum core boots in there, with some shoe polish

884
00:44:44,719 --> 00:44:47,080
Speaker 3: you could put and again I'm talking like textbooks, not

885
00:44:47,200 --> 00:44:53,640
Speaker 3: just like a paperback copy of fucking Wuthering Heights textbooks, shoes.

886
00:44:54,480 --> 00:44:56,799
Speaker 3: We all had scoliosis at some point, like we all

887
00:44:56,840 --> 00:44:58,560
Speaker 3: developed back problems.

888
00:44:58,239 --> 00:44:58,960
Speaker 2: In this moment.

889
00:44:59,480 --> 00:45:01,359
Speaker 3: But it was endless. You could if you were a drinker,

890
00:45:01,360 --> 00:45:03,520
Speaker 3: you could put alcohol in there. People put cigarettes in there.

891
00:45:03,960 --> 00:45:07,239
Speaker 3: People would put their fucking keys in there. They'd be

892
00:45:07,280 --> 00:45:10,520
Speaker 3: holding onto shit for other people, entire outfits for other friends,

893
00:45:10,600 --> 00:45:12,439
Speaker 3: Jim clothes if you had to change for Jim, throw

894
00:45:12,520 --> 00:45:13,399
Speaker 3: gym clothes in there.

895
00:45:14,080 --> 00:45:18,200
Speaker 1: They're huge, huge bags. They looked innocent, but they carried

896
00:45:18,239 --> 00:45:21,480
Speaker 1: so much. But but yeah, so Rose's carried around. You know,

897
00:45:21,520 --> 00:45:23,799
Speaker 1: she's got her like little scarbs and everything, and she's just,

898
00:45:23,920 --> 00:45:27,160
Speaker 1: you know, like she has a kind of Janice or

899
00:45:27,800 --> 00:45:32,080
Speaker 1: early Steven Tyler from Aerosmith look to her. So here's

900
00:45:32,080 --> 00:45:35,560
Speaker 1: the thing. She's she's famous, she's touring all the time,

901
00:45:35,840 --> 00:45:39,719
Speaker 1: she's fucking exhausted, and she really wants to take like

902
00:45:39,760 --> 00:45:43,680
Speaker 1: an entire year off after her final show of the tour,

903
00:45:44,080 --> 00:45:50,200
Speaker 1: which happens to be this homecoming show in Florida for her. So,

904
00:45:50,760 --> 00:45:53,720
Speaker 1: and this is kind of like a thing that gets

905
00:45:53,719 --> 00:45:56,319
Speaker 1: addressed many times in the movie. Is this idea that

906
00:45:56,719 --> 00:45:58,840
Speaker 1: she wants to go home and she wants to like

907
00:45:59,360 --> 00:46:02,919
Speaker 1: prove to her old family and her old friends that

908
00:46:03,440 --> 00:46:06,680
Speaker 1: she's a good person and that she's made something of herself. Right,

909
00:46:07,040 --> 00:46:09,600
Speaker 1: So it's kind of this like goal of hers to

910
00:46:09,680 --> 00:46:11,040
Speaker 1: do really well at this show.

911
00:46:11,480 --> 00:46:14,640
Speaker 3: Okay, And she's also super lonely, like she you know,

912
00:46:14,719 --> 00:46:17,479
Speaker 3: can't get laid in her words, and she just really

913
00:46:17,560 --> 00:46:19,640
Speaker 3: is like, I need time to be a person.

914
00:46:20,239 --> 00:46:23,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, she wants some time off because yeah, the road

915
00:46:23,160 --> 00:46:25,080
Speaker 1: is really harsh and she's just in different cities and

916
00:46:25,120 --> 00:46:27,520
Speaker 1: different times when you know what this is like. Plus

917
00:46:27,560 --> 00:46:31,440
Speaker 1: she has a manager who was played by the actor

918
00:46:31,480 --> 00:46:36,960
Speaker 1: Alan Bates, who is fantastic. He's so swarthy and like

919
00:46:37,160 --> 00:46:41,560
Speaker 1: fucking late seventies coke bloated in this movie. I'm obsessed.

920
00:46:43,239 --> 00:46:47,239
Speaker 1: He's got that look. Maybe he would have been in

921
00:46:47,320 --> 00:46:49,160
Speaker 1: a different life. He would have been on stage on

922
00:46:49,200 --> 00:46:51,759
Speaker 1: the last Waltz like fucking kicking his legs up in

923
00:46:51,800 --> 00:46:58,000
Speaker 1: the air, like he's got that look to him.

924
00:46:59,080 --> 00:47:00,400
Speaker 2: What a described.

925
00:47:02,680 --> 00:47:08,240
Speaker 1: Poked out on stage during the last Waltz concert. Kicking

926
00:47:09,520 --> 00:47:11,239
Speaker 1: That's what Alans is.

927
00:47:11,000 --> 00:47:13,120
Speaker 3: On a scale of one to ten, Help blooded are

928
00:47:13,120 --> 00:47:18,640
Speaker 3: they well? Being Ben Morrison in a sequince suit kicking

929
00:47:18,719 --> 00:47:23,320
Speaker 3: his legs. I kick it across the stage.

930
00:47:23,360 --> 00:47:30,040
Speaker 1: Coke Boogers coming out, Baby's about a nine. But the

931
00:47:30,080 --> 00:47:32,240
Speaker 1: thing about Alan Bates is, you know, he's the manager.

932
00:47:32,360 --> 00:47:36,880
Speaker 1: His name is uh Rudge, right. He is trying to

933
00:47:37,000 --> 00:47:40,560
Speaker 1: keep this plane flying, which is like most I would

934
00:47:40,600 --> 00:47:46,160
Speaker 1: say most standard music biopics has this character of the

935
00:47:46,239 --> 00:47:51,000
Speaker 1: manager that's just trying to keep the shit together. His

936
00:47:51,239 --> 00:47:55,400
Speaker 1: technique is a little harsh, right, because he's like, I'm

937
00:47:55,640 --> 00:47:58,799
Speaker 1: I'm in charge of a wild woman and I think

938
00:47:58,800 --> 00:48:02,520
Speaker 1: that in her. In his mind, he's like, I gotta

939
00:48:02,600 --> 00:48:07,400
Speaker 1: be really tough on her, and at times she hates

940
00:48:07,480 --> 00:48:11,280
Speaker 1: him for it, but then at certain points she accepts

941
00:48:11,360 --> 00:48:13,160
Speaker 1: that that is the only way that she's going to

942
00:48:13,200 --> 00:48:14,920
Speaker 1: be able to continue doing.

943
00:48:14,680 --> 00:48:16,719
Speaker 2: Her art, you know what I mean, needs it.

944
00:48:16,840 --> 00:48:20,759
Speaker 3: Yeah, she needs someone to be in charge of something, right.

945
00:48:21,280 --> 00:48:23,840
Speaker 1: So it's this like push pull with this manager, Like

946
00:48:23,920 --> 00:48:25,759
Speaker 1: she calls him a magician. But then she's like, I

947
00:48:25,800 --> 00:48:29,600
Speaker 1: need a fucking break and you're hassling me. So this

948
00:48:29,640 --> 00:48:33,200
Speaker 1: is where she's at mentally. She's lonely, she's tired. She's like,

949
00:48:33,520 --> 00:48:37,080
Speaker 1: I'm famous, but I'm just I want I want something different.

950
00:48:37,880 --> 00:48:41,520
Speaker 1: So as part of it, you know, this is again

951
00:48:41,560 --> 00:48:43,080
Speaker 1: I think part of the theme of this of this

952
00:48:43,120 --> 00:48:48,000
Speaker 1: week is there's these moments where she's like battling essentially

953
00:48:48,040 --> 00:48:50,800
Speaker 1: a sexist music industry, right, Like she's just she's a

954
00:48:50,840 --> 00:48:53,560
Speaker 1: woman who's like in charge of her own power, and

955
00:48:53,680 --> 00:48:57,040
Speaker 1: yet there's she's always running up against guys who just

956
00:48:57,120 --> 00:48:59,399
Speaker 1: like want to put her down or treat her like shit.

957
00:48:59,800 --> 00:49:01,960
Speaker 1: And there's this scene pretty early on in the movie

958
00:49:02,040 --> 00:49:08,160
Speaker 1: where Rose is introduced to basically her idol, who is

959
00:49:08,200 --> 00:49:11,880
Speaker 1: this old country singer named Billy Ray. And of course

960
00:49:11,960 --> 00:49:16,680
Speaker 1: he is played by Harry Dean Stanton. So when I

961
00:49:16,760 --> 00:49:20,319
Speaker 1: was watching, there's some special features on the Criterion disc

962
00:49:20,360 --> 00:49:22,399
Speaker 1: of The Rose where there was an interview with Bette

963
00:49:22,440 --> 00:49:26,239
Speaker 1: Midler and she talked about this scene and talked about

964
00:49:26,280 --> 00:49:29,560
Speaker 1: working with Harry Dean Stanton. She famously did not like

965
00:49:29,600 --> 00:49:31,640
Speaker 1: Harry Dean Stanton. She's like he was the only person

966
00:49:31,680 --> 00:49:36,520
Speaker 1: I hated working with on this movie, which after watching

967
00:49:36,560 --> 00:49:39,360
Speaker 1: the scene, I was like, yeah, I think this cuts

968
00:49:39,400 --> 00:49:42,480
Speaker 1: pretty hard. I don't know, it's like the blurring of

969
00:49:42,520 --> 00:49:45,880
Speaker 1: the character and the real person maybe, but it so

970
00:49:46,120 --> 00:49:49,359
Speaker 1: Billy Ray is basically like backstage, she comes up, she's

971
00:49:49,440 --> 00:49:53,240
Speaker 1: like with Rudge and she's like, I've loved you forever.

972
00:49:53,320 --> 00:49:56,080
Speaker 1: I've covered your songs. You're so great, and he's basically like,

973
00:49:57,440 --> 00:49:59,280
Speaker 1: I wish you wouldn't do that. I wish you wouldn't

974
00:49:59,280 --> 00:50:05,920
Speaker 1: cover my song because you're trash essentially, And in that moment,

975
00:50:06,320 --> 00:50:09,560
Speaker 1: you just feel like she's just so heartbroken because she's like,

976
00:50:09,560 --> 00:50:11,800
Speaker 1: here's my idol saying that I shouldn't touch his songs

977
00:50:11,840 --> 00:50:14,799
Speaker 1: because he hates me and hates what I'm about. So

978
00:50:15,400 --> 00:50:17,640
Speaker 1: it kind of sends her off into the night. She

979
00:50:17,760 --> 00:50:20,719
Speaker 1: kind of like runs from the scenario because she's humiliated

980
00:50:20,800 --> 00:50:24,200
Speaker 1: and embarrassed and sad, and she just jumps into a

981
00:50:24,360 --> 00:50:31,720
Speaker 1: limousine and that limo is driven by a man named

982
00:50:31,800 --> 00:50:35,680
Speaker 1: Dyer Houston Dyer, and he's played by the great actor

983
00:50:35,760 --> 00:50:40,480
Speaker 1: Frederick Forrest, who you've seen in many, many things. And

984
00:50:40,840 --> 00:50:42,799
Speaker 1: she's just like, get me the fuck out of here.

985
00:50:42,840 --> 00:50:45,280
Speaker 1: I don't want to be here, and he does, and

986
00:50:45,360 --> 00:50:48,680
Speaker 1: they just kind of start off on this like crazy

987
00:50:49,520 --> 00:50:52,880
Speaker 1: like night of fun and they go to a diner

988
00:50:53,960 --> 00:50:57,800
Speaker 1: and apparently this is the late sixties, and I always

989
00:50:57,920 --> 00:51:00,880
Speaker 1: forget this. I don't know why I should, because we

990
00:51:00,920 --> 00:51:03,480
Speaker 1: talked about this when we did Easy Rider, but this

991
00:51:03,640 --> 00:51:06,760
Speaker 1: was an era where like normal people really hated hippies.

992
00:51:08,160 --> 00:51:12,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, like would not serve you level hatred.

993
00:51:12,640 --> 00:51:15,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, like they're not allowed to eat in the diner

994
00:51:15,600 --> 00:51:20,000
Speaker 1: because a bunch of old men who are wearing like

995
00:51:20,640 --> 00:51:24,960
Speaker 1: hunting caps and Carhart jackets are like, we don't like hippies.

996
00:51:26,760 --> 00:51:28,920
Speaker 1: Get it, get out of here, don't serve her, Louise,

997
00:51:29,000 --> 00:51:31,360
Speaker 1: don't don't give her that Danish we don't like hippies

998
00:51:31,360 --> 00:51:33,800
Speaker 1: in here. I was like totally fucking shit, Like, was

999
00:51:33,840 --> 00:51:34,680
Speaker 1: it really like that?

1000
00:51:34,840 --> 00:51:38,080
Speaker 3: Apparently it was, Yes, it was and still is for

1001
00:51:38,160 --> 00:51:39,279
Speaker 3: a lot of in a lot of ways, for a

1002
00:51:39,280 --> 00:51:39,840
Speaker 3: lot of people in.

1003
00:51:39,880 --> 00:51:40,640
Speaker 2: A lot of places.

1004
00:51:41,040 --> 00:51:42,400
Speaker 1: Agreed, agreed, but.

1005
00:51:42,480 --> 00:51:44,080
Speaker 2: Prejudice just carries on.

1006
00:51:44,440 --> 00:51:48,480
Speaker 3: But yeah, it is weird to see in that moment

1007
00:51:48,480 --> 00:51:51,040
Speaker 3: because they don't really look particularly hippyish to me, like

1008
00:51:51,040 --> 00:51:52,919
Speaker 3: even especially dire like Dier's.

1009
00:51:52,600 --> 00:51:55,640
Speaker 2: Wearing jeans and a T shirt. Yea yeah, yeah, like

1010
00:51:55,800 --> 00:52:00,000
Speaker 2: Rose looks a little wild but not crazy.

1011
00:52:00,120 --> 00:52:01,880
Speaker 3: I don't know, it just it doesn't translate to me

1012
00:52:02,239 --> 00:52:06,040
Speaker 3: as like, oh, yeah, they look like dangerous, weird hippie types.

1013
00:52:06,480 --> 00:52:10,120
Speaker 3: But like you said, in this setting where everyone is

1014
00:52:10,200 --> 00:52:13,359
Speaker 3: dressed the same, anything out of that norm was just

1015
00:52:13,440 --> 00:52:15,120
Speaker 3: like a nope.

1016
00:52:15,160 --> 00:52:18,640
Speaker 1: Right, because at this point, I'm like, all, isn't there

1017
00:52:19,000 --> 00:52:22,000
Speaker 1: that couple in a diner in every single city, in

1018
00:52:22,040 --> 00:52:24,960
Speaker 1: every single place in America or around the world. Now,

1019
00:52:25,040 --> 00:52:27,759
Speaker 1: there's always a couple in a diner who's like a

1020
00:52:27,800 --> 00:52:30,359
Speaker 1: normal looking guy and then a girlfriend who has a

1021
00:52:30,440 --> 00:52:39,160
Speaker 1: giant satchel bag and like platform heels on and is

1022
00:52:39,200 --> 00:52:42,120
Speaker 1: like like looking for a cigarette. Like, there's always that

1023
00:52:42,280 --> 00:52:45,560
Speaker 1: couple that's like, ah, well, a woman rifling through a

1024
00:52:45,600 --> 00:52:49,000
Speaker 1: fucking hippie bag to I don't know, for her own stuff.

1025
00:52:49,200 --> 00:52:51,080
Speaker 1: So I don't know. To me, I'm like, well, there

1026
00:52:51,080 --> 00:52:52,960
Speaker 1: are there, of course are supposed to be here, guys,

1027
00:52:53,040 --> 00:52:56,240
Speaker 1: why why hassle in them? But again, late sixties.

1028
00:52:56,040 --> 00:52:56,720
Speaker 2: Different era.

1029
00:52:57,120 --> 00:52:59,400
Speaker 3: I kind of love about this film that usually wherever

1030
00:52:59,680 --> 00:53:02,200
Speaker 3: Rose goes because she's super fucking famous, so wherever she

1031
00:53:02,280 --> 00:53:04,480
Speaker 3: goes where she has these encounters where people kind of

1032
00:53:04,520 --> 00:53:08,279
Speaker 3: don't want to deal with her. She invariably meets some

1033
00:53:08,520 --> 00:53:10,799
Speaker 3: kid or a group of kids who are like, holy shit,

1034
00:53:10,920 --> 00:53:13,319
Speaker 3: you're the road, like someone else who's like very into her,

1035
00:53:13,360 --> 00:53:17,319
Speaker 3: but she, like most of us, only focuses on the negative. Yeah,

1036
00:53:17,440 --> 00:53:19,799
Speaker 3: so's the great juxtaposition that's set up in the in

1037
00:53:19,840 --> 00:53:22,800
Speaker 3: the film visually, I think, yeah.

1038
00:53:22,200 --> 00:53:24,560
Speaker 1: Well, I'm like most impressive to her is that basically

1039
00:53:24,600 --> 00:53:26,680
Speaker 1: when they're in this diner scene early in the movie,

1040
00:53:27,080 --> 00:53:31,760
Speaker 1: you know, Dyer's like, fuck this shit. He starts punching

1041
00:53:31,800 --> 00:53:36,560
Speaker 1: guys out, and she is so impressed by that because

1042
00:53:37,000 --> 00:53:39,839
Speaker 1: she doesn't feel protected by anyone, you know what I mean,

1043
00:53:39,960 --> 00:53:42,319
Speaker 1: Like she's got like she has this woman always on

1044
00:53:42,360 --> 00:53:45,040
Speaker 1: the road with a bunch of like gross men, and

1045
00:53:45,120 --> 00:53:47,680
Speaker 1: they you know, they just basically need her to continue

1046
00:53:47,719 --> 00:53:51,040
Speaker 1: making them money and that's really the only reason to

1047
00:53:51,040 --> 00:53:53,680
Speaker 1: sustain her at all. So she's just like, oh wow,

1048
00:53:53,719 --> 00:53:58,040
Speaker 1: this guy like basically stood up for me, and that's

1049
00:53:58,120 --> 00:54:00,439
Speaker 1: just I don't know, something that I needed the time.

1050
00:54:00,560 --> 00:54:03,799
Speaker 1: So the thing is like after that moment, she's just like,

1051
00:54:03,880 --> 00:54:06,200
Speaker 1: let's go out, like I like, you like, let's have

1052
00:54:06,239 --> 00:54:07,680
Speaker 1: a good time. They end up going to like a

1053
00:54:07,800 --> 00:54:10,399
Speaker 1: drag club, which you know is kind of a nod

1054
00:54:10,480 --> 00:54:13,320
Speaker 1: to you know, the actual Bette Miller's sort of early career.

1055
00:54:13,560 --> 00:54:15,560
Speaker 1: So and one of the cool things about this scene

1056
00:54:15,640 --> 00:54:20,560
Speaker 1: is Sylvester the artist who did you know disco in

1057
00:54:20,600 --> 00:54:24,400
Speaker 1: the seventies is in the scene dressed as Diana Ross

1058
00:54:25,160 --> 00:54:26,960
Speaker 1: and this is all like sort of a nod to

1059
00:54:27,080 --> 00:54:30,480
Speaker 1: bet Miller's early career in the math houses. So I

1060
00:54:30,560 --> 00:54:34,799
Speaker 1: always love that that cameo happens. But here's this guy,

1061
00:54:35,880 --> 00:54:42,279
Speaker 1: Houston Dyer, who is like rolling with these punches, right,

1062
00:54:42,880 --> 00:54:48,800
Speaker 1: And it's kind of this weird test, I think for Rose,

1063
00:54:48,960 --> 00:54:52,520
Speaker 1: because she's like, most guys that come into my orbit

1064
00:54:52,960 --> 00:54:57,400
Speaker 1: are just pieces of meat. At one point, she says,

1065
00:54:57,920 --> 00:55:00,680
Speaker 1: you know, they just want, you know, to have sex

1066
00:55:00,719 --> 00:55:03,480
Speaker 1: with me, be around me, maybe get a little money,

1067
00:55:04,080 --> 00:55:07,879
Speaker 1: some drugs, some superstar access, but ultimately they don't care

1068
00:55:07,920 --> 00:55:12,160
Speaker 1: about me. Right. But here's this guy who's kind of like, yeah,

1069
00:55:12,239 --> 00:55:14,920
Speaker 1: I am who I am. I don't lie about anything.

1070
00:55:15,000 --> 00:55:17,440
Speaker 1: I'm just kind of this authentic guy that kind of

1071
00:55:17,520 --> 00:55:19,359
Speaker 1: likes you and I want to hang out with you.

1072
00:55:19,920 --> 00:55:23,160
Speaker 1: And it just becomes that's like, that's sort of how

1073
00:55:23,160 --> 00:55:27,000
Speaker 1: the relationship gets started, right, is that he's kind of

1074
00:55:27,040 --> 00:55:29,319
Speaker 1: showing up for her in spite of all of this

1075
00:55:29,480 --> 00:55:34,080
Speaker 1: drama of her life, even though there are times where

1076
00:55:34,320 --> 00:55:39,320
Speaker 1: the lifestyle is trying to push him away, right, because

1077
00:55:39,320 --> 00:55:41,920
Speaker 1: he eventually goes on tour with her, and he's just

1078
00:55:41,960 --> 00:55:44,319
Speaker 1: always going. He's got to be a part of his

1079
00:55:44,440 --> 00:55:46,200
Speaker 1: rock and roll thing, which again is like kind of

1080
00:55:46,239 --> 00:55:50,080
Speaker 1: not really his vibe. She finds out that it's at

1081
00:55:50,120 --> 00:55:52,480
Speaker 1: some point that he is actually a wall from the

1082
00:55:52,640 --> 00:55:57,839
Speaker 1: army he escaped, and there seems to be sort of,

1083
00:55:58,480 --> 00:56:01,000
Speaker 1: you know, like a theme about that where people are

1084
00:56:01,040 --> 00:56:04,000
Speaker 1: trying to escape this life that they don't want to

1085
00:56:04,000 --> 00:56:07,239
Speaker 1: live this sort of uh they want to get back

1086
00:56:07,239 --> 00:56:09,400
Speaker 1: to just sort of being an authentic person. And I

1087
00:56:09,400 --> 00:56:11,319
Speaker 1: think she's kind of inspired by that in a weird

1088
00:56:11,360 --> 00:56:14,239
Speaker 1: way by saying like, oh, I'd love to at some

1089
00:56:14,320 --> 00:56:17,640
Speaker 1: point leave this music industry and just like literally have

1090
00:56:17,719 --> 00:56:19,719
Speaker 1: a boyfriend or a husband and settle down and be

1091
00:56:19,840 --> 00:56:23,360
Speaker 1: somebody else, be a real person, right exactly.

1092
00:56:23,400 --> 00:56:26,719
Speaker 3: And her health is so tied to that. And I

1093
00:56:26,760 --> 00:56:29,800
Speaker 3: think it's also so tied to the time where a

1094
00:56:29,840 --> 00:56:33,000
Speaker 3: lot of people were, you know, clearly making that decision

1095
00:56:33,040 --> 00:56:36,120
Speaker 3: to not follow the path that was set up for them,

1096
00:56:36,320 --> 00:56:39,480
Speaker 3: where they actually wanted to try doing other things. So like, yeah,

1097
00:56:39,480 --> 00:56:41,080
Speaker 3: maybe you joined the army and just thought I don't

1098
00:56:41,080 --> 00:56:42,759
Speaker 3: want to do this shit, I actually don't want to

1099
00:56:42,800 --> 00:56:47,200
Speaker 3: do this, Or you're a world wide international best selling

1100
00:56:47,320 --> 00:56:49,359
Speaker 3: artist and you're like, yeah, that's fine, but I also

1101
00:56:49,440 --> 00:56:51,480
Speaker 3: just don't want to do this for a while, so

1102
00:56:51,560 --> 00:56:53,600
Speaker 3: I think it's it's kind of endemic of the time

1103
00:56:53,719 --> 00:56:54,160
Speaker 3: as well.

1104
00:56:54,640 --> 00:56:57,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, I mean there's certain things about it too

1105
00:56:58,000 --> 00:57:00,200
Speaker 1: that I think are interesting. I mean, you know, we're

1106
00:57:00,200 --> 00:57:02,200
Speaker 1: talking about like late seventies, so you're kind of like,

1107
00:57:02,440 --> 00:57:05,400
Speaker 1: you know, sort of like, you know, second wave feminism

1108
00:57:05,440 --> 00:57:07,799
Speaker 1: was already sort of happening by this time, and there

1109
00:57:07,800 --> 00:57:10,239
Speaker 1: are moments of the movie that I think addressed that

1110
00:57:10,360 --> 00:57:12,880
Speaker 1: where she does she does give big speeches about like

1111
00:57:12,960 --> 00:57:15,160
Speaker 1: being a woman in the industry and sort of being

1112
00:57:15,200 --> 00:57:19,800
Speaker 1: a woman navigating men at this time, which is really interesting.

1113
00:57:19,880 --> 00:57:23,600
Speaker 1: But it's like, you know, I think a huge part

1114
00:57:23,640 --> 00:57:26,600
Speaker 1: of this movie is the relationship between Rose and Houston,

1115
00:57:26,640 --> 00:57:30,440
Speaker 1: because again it's sort of this like it's a delicate

1116
00:57:30,480 --> 00:57:34,120
Speaker 1: situation because he loves who she is. He loves that

1117
00:57:34,240 --> 00:57:39,200
Speaker 1: she's this like bold, outrageous woman who drinks and you know,

1118
00:57:39,360 --> 00:57:42,200
Speaker 1: like cuts up and can like hang with the guys.

1119
00:57:42,600 --> 00:57:44,880
Speaker 1: But then there becomes this line where he's just sort

1120
00:57:44,920 --> 00:57:47,440
Speaker 1: of like, I don't I can't sign on to all

1121
00:57:47,480 --> 00:57:50,600
Speaker 1: of it. There's an altercation that happens between the two

1122
00:57:50,640 --> 00:57:54,320
Speaker 1: of them after like he catches her like backstage making

1123
00:57:54,320 --> 00:57:56,920
Speaker 1: out with his old girlfriend of hers, and he just

1124
00:57:56,960 --> 00:57:59,040
Speaker 1: like kind of spins out about it because he's just like, well,

1125
00:57:59,080 --> 00:58:01,120
Speaker 1: now you're kind of cheating on me. And I don't

1126
00:58:01,160 --> 00:58:03,800
Speaker 1: really know if I'm down for this, And there's just

1127
00:58:03,880 --> 00:58:06,560
Speaker 1: other moments where and I'm not gonna give it away obviously,

1128
00:58:06,600 --> 00:58:10,280
Speaker 1: because the ending is I think, really important, but he

1129
00:58:10,320 --> 00:58:13,280
Speaker 1: gets pushed away a lot because he's sort of like,

1130
00:58:13,360 --> 00:58:15,880
Speaker 1: I don't know if I can hang. And then at

1131
00:58:15,880 --> 00:58:18,840
Speaker 1: a certain point, Rose does devolve and goes to the

1132
00:58:18,920 --> 00:58:22,200
Speaker 1: darkness at some point, and it's a real test for

1133
00:58:22,320 --> 00:58:25,520
Speaker 1: both for her but for them, you know. But yeah,

1134
00:58:25,520 --> 00:58:30,120
Speaker 1: and it kind of all culminates into this like Florida Show, which,

1135
00:58:30,760 --> 00:58:33,320
Speaker 1: like I said, I won't give away, but is you know,

1136
00:58:34,040 --> 00:58:37,320
Speaker 1: pretty dramatic. Yeah. So this is I mean the movie

1137
00:58:37,360 --> 00:58:42,400
Speaker 1: that I like. It's so interesting. I feel like it

1138
00:58:42,480 --> 00:58:46,520
Speaker 1: really did sort of. It was sort of a way

1139
00:58:46,600 --> 00:58:50,040
Speaker 1: to make Bette Midler very present, very much a movie star,

1140
00:58:50,520 --> 00:58:52,720
Speaker 1: because she obviously would go on to do so many

1141
00:58:52,720 --> 00:58:56,440
Speaker 1: other things, but she performs like a motherfucker in this movie.

1142
00:58:56,560 --> 00:58:58,440
Speaker 1: Like I said, the music is not my thing at all,

1143
00:58:58,520 --> 00:59:02,560
Speaker 1: but the way she kind of comes across on stage

1144
00:59:02,560 --> 00:59:06,040
Speaker 1: because there are like long performance pieces in the movie. Yeah,

1145
00:59:06,080 --> 00:59:07,840
Speaker 1: so there's the drama, but then there's also just like

1146
00:59:08,000 --> 00:59:12,880
Speaker 1: long concert segments where she's performing and she's a beast

1147
00:59:13,280 --> 00:59:13,800
Speaker 1: in those ws.

1148
00:59:13,800 --> 00:59:16,520
Speaker 3: I watch some behind the scene, like some interview that

1149
00:59:16,560 --> 00:59:19,320
Speaker 3: she'd done recently or like, you know, years years years

1150
00:59:19,360 --> 00:59:23,960
Speaker 3: later where she talked about how she done gymnastics as

1151
00:59:24,040 --> 00:59:27,480
Speaker 3: training for this. Yeah, like she was doing like physical

1152
00:59:28,160 --> 00:59:31,200
Speaker 3: shit on stage and was just wild, and I kind

1153
00:59:31,240 --> 00:59:34,040
Speaker 3: of I love that. I love the way the music

1154
00:59:34,080 --> 00:59:36,880
Speaker 3: is woven into the film because the music is fantastic,

1155
00:59:37,360 --> 00:59:39,080
Speaker 3: you know, like you said, whether it's your style or not,

1156
00:59:39,120 --> 00:59:42,280
Speaker 3: Like you cannot deny her singing in this film. But

1157
00:59:42,320 --> 00:59:46,440
Speaker 3: I also love that she's not an overly sympathetic character.

1158
00:59:47,120 --> 00:59:49,720
Speaker 3: So there are times where she does shit that's really

1159
00:59:49,800 --> 00:59:51,560
Speaker 3: fucked up and you're like, you shouldn't be doing that,

1160
00:59:52,160 --> 00:59:54,200
Speaker 3: And then she goes on stage and it's just like

1161
00:59:54,360 --> 00:59:57,640
Speaker 3: singing with this wild abandon that makes you think, oh, yeah,

1162
00:59:57,680 --> 01:00:01,320
Speaker 3: like this is like her life is all infused with

1163
01:00:01,440 --> 01:00:04,080
Speaker 3: the same kind of wild energy.

1164
01:00:04,360 --> 01:00:05,840
Speaker 2: So it's wild.

1165
01:00:05,880 --> 01:00:07,880
Speaker 3: It's just it's just great to see her on stage

1166
01:00:07,920 --> 01:00:10,920
Speaker 3: being so unencumbered, and then she's trying to figure out

1167
01:00:11,000 --> 01:00:14,120
Speaker 3: how to be like regular people in her real life,

1168
01:00:14,120 --> 01:00:16,880
Speaker 3: but that's not what people want from her. People want

1169
01:00:16,880 --> 01:00:18,560
Speaker 3: her to be a little bit out there, and they

1170
01:00:18,560 --> 01:00:21,080
Speaker 3: punish her for it in some ways, but they really

1171
01:00:21,200 --> 01:00:24,440
Speaker 3: expect it. And there's just this this main of trauma

1172
01:00:24,480 --> 01:00:26,640
Speaker 3: that runs through her life where she's you can see

1173
01:00:26,680 --> 01:00:32,000
Speaker 3: her trying to she's really trying to turn an awful

1174
01:00:32,040 --> 01:00:37,040
Speaker 3: situation into kind of a like a like a very

1175
01:00:38,480 --> 01:00:42,840
Speaker 3: inconsequential story of her past. Yes, but it keeps coming

1176
01:00:42,920 --> 01:00:45,080
Speaker 3: up in these weird ways. So you just know that

1177
01:00:45,120 --> 01:00:48,360
Speaker 3: there is this initial pain for her of when she

1178
01:00:48,480 --> 01:00:50,120
Speaker 3: started feeling like she.

1179
01:00:50,040 --> 01:00:51,560
Speaker 2: Didn't belong to herself.

1180
01:00:52,680 --> 01:00:56,360
Speaker 3: So yeah, I just I love this movie and Bette

1181
01:00:56,360 --> 01:01:00,920
Speaker 3: Midler again undeniable in this fucking role. And like even

1182
01:01:00,960 --> 01:01:03,000
Speaker 3: now watching I've seen it so many times. Even now

1183
01:01:03,040 --> 01:01:06,680
Speaker 3: watching it, I felt that that real sadness and the

1184
01:01:06,760 --> 01:01:09,080
Speaker 3: heartache and fear, like I was so afraid for her

1185
01:01:09,120 --> 01:01:12,040
Speaker 3: in so many parts, and you know, just the frantic

1186
01:01:12,120 --> 01:01:14,640
Speaker 3: energy of her like literally running through a bathhouse and

1187
01:01:14,720 --> 01:01:20,120
Speaker 3: like just it's so fun and sad and just really

1188
01:01:20,760 --> 01:01:25,840
Speaker 3: a mix of emotions that I think is pretty special

1189
01:01:25,880 --> 01:01:26,920
Speaker 3: to Bette Midler.

1190
01:01:27,040 --> 01:01:28,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, she brought out in this performance.

1191
01:01:29,280 --> 01:01:32,760
Speaker 1: Yeah. Plus this movie just looks gorgeous. I mean, I

1192
01:01:32,800 --> 01:01:37,720
Speaker 1: think like every great cinematographer in Hollywood worked on this

1193
01:01:37,800 --> 01:01:43,160
Speaker 1: film apparently, so, like you know, Villmo Zigmund was the

1194
01:01:43,440 --> 01:01:46,360
Speaker 1: cinematographer for most of the dramatic scenes for most of

1195
01:01:46,400 --> 01:01:50,520
Speaker 1: the movie, but then Laslo Kovacs and Haskell Wexler did

1196
01:01:50,760 --> 01:01:54,920
Speaker 1: some of the concert footage stuff, so it was like, yeah,

1197
01:01:55,040 --> 01:01:59,480
Speaker 1: every it was bound to look gorgeous. Kind of like

1198
01:01:59,600 --> 01:02:04,280
Speaker 1: a track story, but also like I don't know, sort

1199
01:02:04,280 --> 01:02:09,960
Speaker 1: of inspiring in terms of maybe the idea that musicians

1200
01:02:10,680 --> 01:02:14,520
Speaker 1: could maybe transition out of like this crazy rock and

1201
01:02:14,600 --> 01:02:17,760
Speaker 1: roll life and find their own happiness. I mean, I

1202
01:02:17,760 --> 01:02:19,640
Speaker 1: don't know, Like I said, won't give it away, but

1203
01:02:19,760 --> 01:02:23,280
Speaker 1: it's at least a question that she tries to explore

1204
01:02:23,400 --> 01:02:26,640
Speaker 1: at a certain point. I love the scenes with her

1205
01:02:26,880 --> 01:02:28,480
Speaker 1: at the very beginning. I love the scenes with her

1206
01:02:28,520 --> 01:02:30,360
Speaker 1: in Houston because it's so cute, like when they're in

1207
01:02:30,400 --> 01:02:32,680
Speaker 1: the hotel and they're just kind of like in bed,

1208
01:02:32,800 --> 01:02:35,520
Speaker 1: like having conversations and stuff. I don't know, I mean,

1209
01:02:35,560 --> 01:02:38,000
Speaker 1: it just was very tender. It was nice to see

1210
01:02:38,120 --> 01:02:39,240
Speaker 1: those scenes.

1211
01:02:39,320 --> 01:02:43,200
Speaker 3: But and it's also I think cool to see or

1212
01:02:43,360 --> 01:02:45,360
Speaker 3: a big part of the movie for me watching it

1213
01:02:45,440 --> 01:02:48,400
Speaker 3: now that I probably didn't realize before this viewing is

1214
01:02:48,400 --> 01:02:51,920
Speaker 3: that you're also you're watching someone as an artist trying

1215
01:02:51,960 --> 01:02:54,200
Speaker 3: to navigate well, you know, in order to be the

1216
01:02:54,280 --> 01:02:56,400
Speaker 3: artist I want to be, I have to be this

1217
01:02:56,480 --> 01:02:59,320
Speaker 3: kind of open wound walking around the world, open to

1218
01:02:59,440 --> 01:03:02,640
Speaker 3: experience and to what people will say and do to me.

1219
01:03:03,080 --> 01:03:04,600
Speaker 2: But I also need to protect myself.

1220
01:03:05,000 --> 01:03:06,840
Speaker 3: So she's trying to find that balance of like, how

1221
01:03:06,840 --> 01:03:08,640
Speaker 3: can I be the artist I want to be while

1222
01:03:08,680 --> 01:03:12,080
Speaker 3: also maintaining some shred of my humanity for myself?

1223
01:03:12,240 --> 01:03:16,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, very true. Also, I brought this up like

1224
01:03:16,360 --> 01:03:19,360
Speaker 1: I think in the past, but I remember when I

1225
01:03:19,400 --> 01:03:21,080
Speaker 1: was in middle school, when I was in chorus, we

1226
01:03:21,120 --> 01:03:25,200
Speaker 1: sang the Rose for one of our concerts, which I

1227
01:03:25,600 --> 01:03:31,160
Speaker 1: didn't realize was from this movie. I love letting little

1228
01:03:31,200 --> 01:03:32,120
Speaker 1: kids sing this song.

1229
01:03:34,320 --> 01:03:37,200
Speaker 3: I have love let little kids sing this song forever,

1230
01:03:38,400 --> 01:03:40,240
Speaker 3: and they sing it at like church and shit, like

1231
01:03:40,240 --> 01:03:42,080
Speaker 3: people think it's like the most innocent.

1232
01:03:41,760 --> 01:03:44,280
Speaker 2: Cute little thing, and I'm like, you should check that source.

1233
01:03:44,680 --> 01:03:46,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was like, there was an ass pocket of

1234
01:03:46,760 --> 01:03:50,640
Speaker 1: whiskey involved here, and I'm like twelve, being like, you know,

1235
01:03:52,400 --> 01:03:59,520
Speaker 1: singing my uh my alto part of this sad fucking song.

1236
01:04:05,960 --> 01:04:09,640
Speaker 1: So that's my movie for this week. Now I have

1237
01:04:09,920 --> 01:04:12,000
Speaker 1: we have to talk about your movie next because it's

1238
01:04:12,440 --> 01:04:13,200
Speaker 1: very important.

1239
01:04:13,720 --> 01:04:15,280
Speaker 2: We really do, we really do.

1240
01:04:15,360 --> 01:04:18,520
Speaker 3: So my pick for the theme and ass Pocket a

1241
01:04:18,560 --> 01:04:23,320
Speaker 3: Whiskey was released in nineteen seventy two screenplays by Terence McCloy,

1242
01:04:23,520 --> 01:04:25,440
Speaker 3: Chris Clark, and Suzanda Paz.

1243
01:04:26,000 --> 01:04:28,760
Speaker 2: It was directed by Sidney J. Fury. My movie is

1244
01:04:29,320 --> 01:04:30,480
Speaker 2: Lady Sings the Blues.

1245
01:04:30,720 --> 01:04:32,720
Speaker 1: You mean we have all this one and we should,

1246
01:04:32,760 --> 01:04:33,320
Speaker 1: Jill be paid.

1247
01:04:33,920 --> 01:04:37,600
Speaker 3: I'll give you the one sentenced synopsis because pretty easy

1248
01:04:37,640 --> 01:04:41,880
Speaker 3: this week. My one sentenced synopsis is some, not all,

1249
01:04:42,200 --> 01:04:48,360
Speaker 3: of Billie Holliday's life story. So this film is based

1250
01:04:48,360 --> 01:04:52,440
Speaker 3: on the book by Billy Holliday and William Dufty. Billie Holiday,

1251
01:04:52,440 --> 01:04:56,120
Speaker 3: of course, very famous jazz singer who died in nineteen

1252
01:04:56,160 --> 01:05:00,720
Speaker 3: fifty nine and had a deeply complicated life prior to

1253
01:05:00,880 --> 01:05:05,080
Speaker 3: becoming a well recognized singer and right up through.

1254
01:05:05,080 --> 01:05:06,200
Speaker 2: To the end of her life.

1255
01:05:06,400 --> 01:05:10,280
Speaker 3: So this movie was nominated for five Academy Awards. It

1256
01:05:10,320 --> 01:05:13,320
Speaker 3: was Diana Ross's debut feature film role. We could have

1257
01:05:13,360 --> 01:05:15,920
Speaker 3: done a little theme about that. Samah On screen for

1258
01:05:15,960 --> 01:05:16,640
Speaker 3: the first time.

1259
01:05:16,880 --> 01:05:17,560
Speaker 1: Wow.

1260
01:05:17,920 --> 01:05:20,120
Speaker 3: And critics were all over the place with this movie,

1261
01:05:20,120 --> 01:05:22,680
Speaker 3: like some really loved Diana Ross's acting, but didn't like

1262
01:05:22,720 --> 01:05:25,800
Speaker 3: the screenplay or the directing. Some thought her acting left

1263
01:05:25,840 --> 01:05:28,920
Speaker 3: a lot to be desired, but most were really bothered

1264
01:05:28,960 --> 01:05:32,120
Speaker 3: by how it reduced Billy Holliday to a cliche.

1265
01:05:32,480 --> 01:05:36,480
Speaker 2: So I'm not going to read you all of the.

1266
01:05:35,240 --> 01:05:37,200
Speaker 3: Reviews that I found from all of the critics, but

1267
01:05:37,240 --> 01:05:39,800
Speaker 3: i will say that Pauline Cale, who is a film

1268
01:05:39,800 --> 01:05:42,400
Speaker 3: reviewer for The New Yorker and the November fourth issue,

1269
01:05:42,800 --> 01:05:46,600
Speaker 3: in nineteen seventy two, in an article titled or a

1270
01:05:46,640 --> 01:05:49,600
Speaker 3: column that she called the current cinema pop versus Jazz,

1271
01:05:50,160 --> 01:05:53,720
Speaker 3: she said, and I quote, Lady Sings the Blues fails

1272
01:05:53,760 --> 01:05:56,480
Speaker 3: to do justice to the musical life of which Billie

1273
01:05:56,520 --> 01:05:59,280
Speaker 3: Holliday was a part, and it never shows what made

1274
01:05:59,320 --> 01:06:02,440
Speaker 3: her a star, much less what made her an artist.

1275
01:06:02,600 --> 01:06:05,080
Speaker 2: So I will say I kind of agree with that.

1276
01:06:05,160 --> 01:06:07,480
Speaker 3: As much as I think this film is very important,

1277
01:06:07,920 --> 01:06:10,120
Speaker 3: it goes too quickly at parts where I feel like

1278
01:06:10,160 --> 01:06:13,680
Speaker 3: you really need to dig in and give us a

1279
01:06:13,680 --> 01:06:16,040
Speaker 3: little more here. I just wish there were moments where

1280
01:06:16,040 --> 01:06:19,440
Speaker 3: they had slowed it down and this is this movie

1281
01:06:19,480 --> 01:06:21,000
Speaker 3: is two and a half hours long, like they had

1282
01:06:21,040 --> 01:06:23,720
Speaker 3: the time, so I wish they would have kind of

1283
01:06:24,480 --> 01:06:25,960
Speaker 3: there are just parts that I wish they kind of

1284
01:06:25,960 --> 01:06:28,880
Speaker 3: emphasized a bit more. But I do think it was interesting,

1285
01:06:28,920 --> 01:06:30,280
Speaker 3: and I think, you know, a lot of people also

1286
01:06:30,320 --> 01:06:32,200
Speaker 3: had problems with the fact that it was Diana Ross

1287
01:06:32,200 --> 01:06:36,560
Speaker 3: playing Billie Holliday. Diana Ross famously very thin and very beautiful,

1288
01:06:37,120 --> 01:06:39,160
Speaker 3: and a lot of people thought that her voice didn't

1289
01:06:39,160 --> 01:06:44,040
Speaker 3: really match the kind of smoky, jazzy sadness of Billie Holliday,

1290
01:06:44,120 --> 01:06:46,400
Speaker 3: like she just kind of sang in her voice like

1291
01:06:46,680 --> 01:06:47,720
Speaker 3: Madonna and Avida.

1292
01:06:47,880 --> 01:06:50,400
Speaker 2: She just was like, well, I'm doing it this way. Yeah.

1293
01:06:50,480 --> 01:06:52,840
Speaker 3: So and that is all to say, not that you

1294
01:06:52,880 --> 01:06:55,720
Speaker 3: again you shouldn't watch this film, but just that as

1295
01:06:55,800 --> 01:06:58,880
Speaker 3: I was watching it again, I was, you know, looking

1296
01:06:58,960 --> 01:07:01,240
Speaker 3: up this information. I thought, yeah, there are things about

1297
01:07:01,240 --> 01:07:04,160
Speaker 3: the film that I probably were making this today, would

1298
01:07:04,200 --> 01:07:06,280
Speaker 3: not have done. But I also think that at the

1299
01:07:06,280 --> 01:07:09,280
Speaker 3: time that this came out in nineteen seventy two, it

1300
01:07:09,440 --> 01:07:13,800
Speaker 3: was pretty important she was Billy Holliday's fame just grew

1301
01:07:13,840 --> 01:07:16,800
Speaker 3: after her death, so I think it was important to

1302
01:07:16,840 --> 01:07:21,160
Speaker 3: have something showcasing who this woman was. It just so

1303
01:07:21,280 --> 01:07:23,680
Speaker 3: happened to come out during a time when there were

1304
01:07:23,760 --> 01:07:28,560
Speaker 3: a lot of movies about tragic women that all did

1305
01:07:28,640 --> 01:07:32,400
Speaker 3: kind of fall into a cliche pattern. But I don't

1306
01:07:32,440 --> 01:07:36,000
Speaker 3: think it was because Billy Holiday's life was not dynamic.

1307
01:07:36,600 --> 01:07:40,520
Speaker 3: I'm also going to reveal my personal history with Billy Holiday.

1308
01:07:41,720 --> 01:07:46,160
Speaker 3: So years ago, like ten years ago. Grandma's still lucid,

1309
01:07:47,120 --> 01:07:50,440
Speaker 3: and all I'd ever heard in my life growing up

1310
01:07:50,560 --> 01:07:55,240
Speaker 3: about my grandfather's father is that he left the family

1311
01:07:55,360 --> 01:07:56,880
Speaker 3: when my grandfather was very young.

1312
01:07:57,760 --> 01:07:58,160
Speaker 2: That was it.

1313
01:07:58,200 --> 01:07:59,880
Speaker 3: That's all anyone ever said, because I would ask, you know,

1314
01:07:59,880 --> 01:08:04,520
Speaker 3: I knew my great grandmother, my grandfather's mother, and I'm like,

1315
01:08:04,520 --> 01:08:06,680
Speaker 3: where's your dad, And they're like, well, he just he's

1316
01:08:06,680 --> 01:08:08,480
Speaker 3: not with us. He just left the family when my

1317
01:08:08,480 --> 01:08:11,800
Speaker 3: granddad was ten years old. So cut to like ten

1318
01:08:11,840 --> 01:08:16,320
Speaker 3: years ago, and my grandmother, out of fucking nowhere says,

1319
01:08:17,479 --> 01:08:19,360
Speaker 3: by the way, like we were talking about something, and

1320
01:08:19,360 --> 01:08:21,479
Speaker 3: she says, well, you know, your great grandfather did all

1321
01:08:21,520 --> 01:08:24,000
Speaker 3: that piano and touring and shit. I was like, what

1322
01:08:24,000 --> 01:08:26,640
Speaker 3: are you talking about, because I'm thinking my great grandfather,

1323
01:08:26,960 --> 01:08:30,519
Speaker 3: her father, the only great grandfather I've ever known, as

1324
01:08:30,520 --> 01:08:38,080
Speaker 3: it turns out my grandfather's father was Robert Henderson. He

1325
01:08:38,160 --> 01:08:40,800
Speaker 3: was born in nineteen ten. My granddad was born in

1326
01:08:40,880 --> 01:08:44,680
Speaker 3: nineteen twenty nine. And yes, he left the family when

1327
01:08:44,680 --> 01:08:46,600
Speaker 3: my granddad was nine or ten. My granddad was the

1328
01:08:46,600 --> 01:08:50,839
Speaker 3: first kid born at a four and he played stride piano,

1329
01:08:52,040 --> 01:08:57,240
Speaker 3: and he was briefly engaged to Billie Holliday, whoa and

1330
01:08:57,280 --> 01:09:00,680
Speaker 3: he left the family because he was briefly engaged to

1331
01:09:00,800 --> 01:09:05,360
Speaker 3: Billie Holliday. So stride piano is like a style of

1332
01:09:05,439 --> 01:09:08,120
Speaker 3: piano that you could play the origins or in rag time,

1333
01:09:08,640 --> 01:09:10,680
Speaker 3: and like the right hand plays a melody in the

1334
01:09:10,760 --> 01:09:11,160
Speaker 3: left hand.

1335
01:09:11,160 --> 01:09:12,759
Speaker 2: To me, just sounds like it's all over the place.

1336
01:09:13,360 --> 01:09:16,120
Speaker 3: But I've been able since my grandmother told me this fact,

1337
01:09:16,160 --> 01:09:18,400
Speaker 3: I've been able to look up facts about my great

1338
01:09:18,400 --> 01:09:21,800
Speaker 3: grandfather and I found some of his music. I found

1339
01:09:21,840 --> 01:09:24,240
Speaker 3: I own a couple of his CDs, and I just

1340
01:09:24,280 --> 01:09:26,120
Speaker 3: want to play a little bit for you. Now, play

1341
01:09:26,160 --> 01:09:29,120
Speaker 3: some stride piano for you. Yeah, just in case you've

1342
01:09:29,120 --> 01:09:31,400
Speaker 3: never heard it before. If you've heard Fat Swaller, then

1343
01:09:31,400 --> 01:09:33,839
Speaker 3: you've heard stride piano. But it was very popular in Harlem,

1344
01:09:33,840 --> 01:09:36,360
Speaker 3: and kind of the origins are in rag time. He

1345
01:09:36,880 --> 01:09:40,479
Speaker 3: basically he played on live performances with Billy Holiday, but

1346
01:09:40,560 --> 01:09:44,040
Speaker 3: she used different artists for her recordings, so he's not

1347
01:09:44,160 --> 01:09:46,240
Speaker 3: any of her albums, but he has his own albums.

1348
01:09:46,280 --> 01:09:49,080
Speaker 3: He played Newport Jazz best. But I just think it's

1349
01:09:49,080 --> 01:09:52,439
Speaker 3: interesting that whenever I look into information about him, like

1350
01:09:52,479 --> 01:09:56,639
Speaker 3: his Wikipedia page, nothing mentions his actual family, which.

1351
01:09:56,439 --> 01:09:57,200
Speaker 2: Was my grandfather.

1352
01:09:57,920 --> 01:10:00,320
Speaker 3: So he had four kids and a wife that he

1353
01:10:00,479 --> 01:10:05,240
Speaker 3: left starting with Billie Holiday, you know, obviously cheating on

1354
01:10:05,280 --> 01:10:08,519
Speaker 3: my great grandmother when my granddad was five, and then

1355
01:10:08,560 --> 01:10:10,680
Speaker 3: he left him went on the road and toured with

1356
01:10:10,720 --> 01:10:12,479
Speaker 3: her a little bit, but then ended up playing in

1357
01:10:12,520 --> 01:10:15,600
Speaker 3: the Catskills and dying very young. He died in like

1358
01:10:15,680 --> 01:10:18,240
Speaker 3: nineteen sixty nine, when he was like only fifty nine

1359
01:10:18,320 --> 01:10:22,040
Speaker 3: or something. But that's my little weird connection to Billie Holiday.

1360
01:10:22,120 --> 01:10:25,320
Speaker 1: You should write an article about that, or like, yeah, right,

1361
01:10:25,479 --> 01:10:27,760
Speaker 1: do something, Yeah, I get you read write for the

1362
01:10:27,800 --> 01:10:30,000
Speaker 1: New Yorker. I would. I would definitely crack open the

1363
01:10:30,000 --> 01:10:31,360
Speaker 1: New Yorker and love to read about that.

1364
01:10:32,240 --> 01:10:34,599
Speaker 3: It is I should I should write something about because

1365
01:10:34,640 --> 01:10:37,240
Speaker 3: it is very It's interesting to me also that as

1366
01:10:37,280 --> 01:10:42,680
Speaker 3: a child I was very easily able to pick up instruments,

1367
01:10:43,200 --> 01:10:45,559
Speaker 3: particularly the piano. Like I never played the piano, but

1368
01:10:45,600 --> 01:10:47,200
Speaker 3: I had lots of friends that did, and I would

1369
01:10:47,240 --> 01:10:50,960
Speaker 3: be able to. You know, I guess it's not even

1370
01:10:50,960 --> 01:10:53,200
Speaker 3: wrote memorization. I would hear them play a song and

1371
01:10:53,200 --> 01:10:55,360
Speaker 3: then I could play some of it. And no one

1372
01:10:55,360 --> 01:10:57,160
Speaker 3: in my family ever said, oh, yeah, hey, by the way,

1373
01:10:57,200 --> 01:11:01,360
Speaker 3: you've got this fucking piano playing, dude in your lineage.

1374
01:11:01,400 --> 01:11:04,599
Speaker 3: Maybe there's some genetic material you're sharing there. He also

1375
01:11:04,680 --> 01:11:07,320
Speaker 3: loves to travel all over the place, and I don't know,

1376
01:11:07,360 --> 01:11:09,919
Speaker 3: there's just a lot of connections that I see in

1377
01:11:09,960 --> 01:11:12,519
Speaker 3: my life to his life.

1378
01:11:13,200 --> 01:11:15,240
Speaker 1: For a man I never met Matt, I would love

1379
01:11:15,240 --> 01:11:17,599
Speaker 1: to play the piano, right, that would be so great,

1380
01:11:17,920 --> 01:11:20,760
Speaker 1: like beautiful, yeah, I mean just like and going that

1381
01:11:20,920 --> 01:11:22,519
Speaker 1: fast too, like holy shit.

1382
01:11:23,320 --> 01:11:23,559
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1383
01:11:23,560 --> 01:11:25,840
Speaker 3: His record's pretty incredible. If you look the one that

1384
01:11:25,880 --> 01:11:27,640
Speaker 3: I have is called a Handful of Keys. If you

1385
01:11:27,640 --> 01:11:30,639
Speaker 3: look up Bobby Henderson or Robert Henderson in a Handful

1386
01:11:30,680 --> 01:11:34,240
Speaker 3: of Keys, you'll find it. But yeah, it's it's just

1387
01:11:34,360 --> 01:11:37,920
Speaker 3: an incredible weird detail, like much of this movie. So

1388
01:11:38,000 --> 01:11:41,120
Speaker 3: this movie does leave a lot out, But it starts

1389
01:11:41,120 --> 01:11:43,920
Speaker 3: in nineteen thirty six with Billie Holliday being booked into

1390
01:11:44,000 --> 01:11:47,840
Speaker 3: jail and she strugs to funk. It is like paditsel

1391
01:11:47,960 --> 01:11:51,600
Speaker 3: straight jacket. Totally wild situation. Then we cut back to

1392
01:11:51,680 --> 01:11:54,800
Speaker 3: nineteen twenty eight and here's where the first weird moment

1393
01:11:54,880 --> 01:11:55,719
Speaker 3: for me happens.

1394
01:11:55,800 --> 01:11:57,040
Speaker 2: And I've always thought this was.

1395
01:11:56,960 --> 01:12:01,240
Speaker 3: Strange because they don't hire a younger actress to play

1396
01:12:01,240 --> 01:12:02,200
Speaker 3: a young Billie Holiday.

1397
01:12:02,320 --> 01:12:04,120
Speaker 2: They just have Diana Ross in.

1398
01:12:04,160 --> 01:12:13,879
Speaker 3: Like braids, playing like a teenager. It's fucking wild.

1399
01:12:14,520 --> 01:12:17,840
Speaker 1: God right, Like I was like, how old is she

1400
01:12:17,840 --> 01:12:20,360
Speaker 1: supposed to be here? I don't understand what's happening.

1401
01:12:21,760 --> 01:12:24,640
Speaker 3: I did not get it. I'm like, wait, there was

1402
01:12:24,920 --> 01:12:27,320
Speaker 3: this was a choice. This was a real choice. And

1403
01:12:27,360 --> 01:12:29,280
Speaker 3: you know, Barry Gordy and Diana Ross were married at

1404
01:12:29,280 --> 01:12:30,960
Speaker 3: this time and he had his hands in producing, and

1405
01:12:30,960 --> 01:12:32,720
Speaker 3: I'm sure it was a lot of like she is

1406
01:12:32,760 --> 01:12:35,519
Speaker 3: the star, she can do it all. She cannot play

1407
01:12:35,520 --> 01:12:39,920
Speaker 3: a fourteen year old while being a grown ass woman.

1408
01:12:40,120 --> 01:12:43,759
Speaker 3: Most of us can't. Most of us cannot, yeah, exact,

1409
01:12:43,840 --> 01:12:45,360
Speaker 3: but you know, you get to learn a little bit

1410
01:12:45,360 --> 01:12:49,559
Speaker 3: about Billie Holliday's background. She was actually born Eleanora Fagan

1411
01:12:49,760 --> 01:12:53,519
Speaker 3: golf Go, I think is how it's pronounced sometimes in

1412
01:12:53,560 --> 01:12:57,479
Speaker 3: Philadelphia in nineteen fifteen, a city that is what unfuckable with.

1413
01:12:57,600 --> 01:12:59,680
Speaker 2: We do not fuck with Philadelphia. They will kill you.

1414
01:13:01,320 --> 01:13:03,240
Speaker 3: Don't mess with Philly, even when you're talking about people

1415
01:13:03,240 --> 01:13:04,240
Speaker 3: who were born and raised there.

1416
01:13:04,479 --> 01:13:05,120
Speaker 2: Just keep it clean.

1417
01:13:05,240 --> 01:13:07,320
Speaker 1: Don't mess with Billy or Philly is what I do.

1418
01:13:07,479 --> 01:13:12,280
Speaker 3: Mess No Billy, no Philly, No Billy, no Billy. Ah ah.

1419
01:13:14,880 --> 01:13:17,920
Speaker 3: And she when we catch up with her, she's in Baltimore.

1420
01:13:18,000 --> 01:13:22,559
Speaker 3: She's working in housekeeping at this house that's owned by

1421
01:13:22,560 --> 01:13:24,360
Speaker 3: a madam and is full of sex workers. And she's,

1422
01:13:24,400 --> 01:13:26,839
Speaker 3: you know, she's fourteen years old, and her mother clearly

1423
01:13:26,840 --> 01:13:29,360
Speaker 3: works and lives in New York. She gets a letter

1424
01:13:29,360 --> 01:13:31,680
Speaker 3: from her, and there's a horrible event that happens right

1425
01:13:31,720 --> 01:13:35,360
Speaker 3: away where she's sexually assaulted by this like creepy pedophile,

1426
01:13:35,439 --> 01:13:39,640
Speaker 3: drunk asshole who kind of comes into the you know,

1427
01:13:40,120 --> 01:13:43,840
Speaker 3: this brothel and then decides to follow her home where

1428
01:13:43,840 --> 01:13:45,040
Speaker 3: she's been left alone.

1429
01:13:45,479 --> 01:13:46,679
Speaker 2: It's just really terrible.

1430
01:13:46,760 --> 01:13:53,320
Speaker 3: So Eleanora Billy basically travels from Baltimore to New York

1431
01:13:54,240 --> 01:13:57,920
Speaker 3: to be with her mother after this this tragedy it's

1432
01:13:57,960 --> 01:14:00,479
Speaker 3: happened to her, so we're not sure how she got there,

1433
01:14:00,479 --> 01:14:03,040
Speaker 3: but she's kind of walking alone and her mom works

1434
01:14:03,080 --> 01:14:05,120
Speaker 3: in this big house in the kitchen, and you know,

1435
01:14:05,160 --> 01:14:06,920
Speaker 3: she offers her to stay the night, but you know

1436
01:14:07,080 --> 01:14:10,800
Speaker 3: it's not her house. Her boss is coming home and

1437
01:14:10,840 --> 01:14:12,720
Speaker 3: she clearly you know, this is back in the day

1438
01:14:12,840 --> 01:14:16,200
Speaker 3: nineteen twenty eight, where people who worked in these houses

1439
01:14:16,200 --> 01:14:19,919
Speaker 3: also had rooms of their own in or near the property,

1440
01:14:19,960 --> 01:14:21,439
Speaker 3: but it wasn't like they had a whole house where

1441
01:14:21,439 --> 01:14:24,120
Speaker 3: they could get their family. So she kind of, you know,

1442
01:14:24,160 --> 01:14:26,880
Speaker 3: wanders out, and you know, her mom is like, well,

1443
01:14:27,080 --> 01:14:30,080
Speaker 3: I can get you a job in a room in

1444
01:14:30,120 --> 01:14:30,960
Speaker 3: another brothel.

1445
01:14:31,160 --> 01:14:32,080
Speaker 2: So that's what she does.

1446
01:14:32,320 --> 01:14:34,479
Speaker 3: So she stays in New York, gets a job, and

1447
01:14:34,520 --> 01:14:36,600
Speaker 3: she fucking hates this job, which I also think is

1448
01:14:36,680 --> 01:14:39,880
Speaker 3: very funny that from Jump Billie Holiday is like, I do.

1449
01:14:39,920 --> 01:14:40,880
Speaker 2: Not want to do this.

1450
01:14:41,200 --> 01:14:43,719
Speaker 3: I do not want to scrub stairs or do any

1451
01:14:43,800 --> 01:14:46,360
Speaker 3: of this shit. And she know, she wanders into a

1452
01:14:46,439 --> 01:14:48,439
Speaker 3: night club across the street and she wants a job,

1453
01:14:48,439 --> 01:14:51,040
Speaker 3: but they toss her out, but she sees Billy d Williams,

1454
01:14:51,080 --> 01:14:54,320
Speaker 3: who's playing the character of Louis McKay, and she is

1455
01:14:54,520 --> 01:14:55,840
Speaker 3: instantly enamored.

1456
01:14:56,080 --> 01:14:57,839
Speaker 2: Now here's another weird family connection.

1457
01:15:00,080 --> 01:15:09,559
Speaker 3: Grandmother. I will never forget this because we were we

1458
01:15:09,560 --> 01:15:16,200
Speaker 3: were watching we were watching Star Wars and Lando Calrissian

1459
01:15:16,280 --> 01:15:18,719
Speaker 3: comes on the screen. This is like, we had rented

1460
01:15:18,720 --> 01:15:21,519
Speaker 3: the VHS and we're just watching it at home and

1461
01:15:21,560 --> 01:15:24,320
Speaker 3: Billy d Williams comes on the screen and she goes, oh,

1462
01:15:24,600 --> 01:15:26,519
Speaker 3: that's an annoying little boy that used to live around

1463
01:15:26,560 --> 01:15:33,800
Speaker 3: the corner. I was like, I'm sorry, what what She's like, Oh, yeah, Billy,

1464
01:15:33,600 --> 01:15:34,400
Speaker 3: we know him.

1465
01:15:34,439 --> 01:15:37,240
Speaker 2: He grew up around the corner. He was He just

1466
01:15:37,280 --> 01:15:37,800
Speaker 2: annoyed us.

1467
01:15:37,800 --> 01:15:39,880
Speaker 3: He always wanted to be around, but we were, you know,

1468
01:15:39,920 --> 01:15:42,599
Speaker 3: older and cooler and didn't want to be around around him.

1469
01:15:43,000 --> 01:15:45,080
Speaker 3: And I'm like, are you telling me that you used

1470
01:15:45,080 --> 01:15:47,360
Speaker 3: to like shun Lando Calrissian.

1471
01:15:48,640 --> 01:15:49,280
Speaker 2: This is what I mean.

1472
01:15:49,360 --> 01:15:53,000
Speaker 3: My family doesn't tell me shit. They don't tell me shit.

1473
01:15:53,439 --> 01:15:58,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, that is wat old stuff. Both stories that you've

1474
01:15:58,240 --> 01:16:02,320
Speaker 1: revealed today in relation to Lady Sings and Blues have

1475
01:16:02,400 --> 01:16:06,000
Speaker 1: been crazy. But like, oh yeah, we used to watch him,

1476
01:16:06,080 --> 01:16:08,360
Speaker 1: you know, poop his pants on the playground and we

1477
01:16:08,439 --> 01:16:12,000
Speaker 1: laughed and then we ran home. Yeah, what an annoying

1478
01:16:12,080 --> 01:16:16,400
Speaker 1: little fucking kid. Oh it's just Billity Williams.

1479
01:16:16,439 --> 01:16:18,479
Speaker 3: Just billiony fucking Williams and she's they used to play

1480
01:16:18,479 --> 01:16:20,519
Speaker 3: a game called Loady, which is where you take a

1481
01:16:20,520 --> 01:16:23,120
Speaker 3: bottle cap and you fill it with wax and you

1482
01:16:23,200 --> 01:16:25,600
Speaker 3: kind of shoot it into these like it's almost like

1483
01:16:25,600 --> 01:16:28,920
Speaker 3: a small Hopscotch board, as it's been described to me,

1484
01:16:28,960 --> 01:16:30,760
Speaker 3: it's like a small hopscotch board that they would draw

1485
01:16:30,800 --> 01:16:32,880
Speaker 3: on the ground and chalk or something over the rock

1486
01:16:33,320 --> 01:16:34,880
Speaker 3: and just try to shoot a bottle cap into it.

1487
01:16:34,920 --> 01:16:36,200
Speaker 3: And she was like, yeah, he always used to try

1488
01:16:36,240 --> 01:16:38,880
Speaker 3: to play loady with us, and like, madn't one of

1489
01:16:38,880 --> 01:16:40,000
Speaker 3: those little kids hanging around.

1490
01:16:41,720 --> 01:16:43,240
Speaker 2: I'm like, what the fuck? Dude?

1491
01:16:43,439 --> 01:16:45,640
Speaker 1: God, it would be my dream to like just like

1492
01:16:45,720 --> 01:16:48,479
Speaker 1: turn on the TV and be like, oh, here are

1493
01:16:48,479 --> 01:16:55,440
Speaker 1: all the famous people that annoyed me as children. Yeah,

1494
01:16:55,640 --> 01:16:57,000
Speaker 1: oh god, it's so funny.

1495
01:16:57,320 --> 01:17:00,000
Speaker 3: Well, if I apparently, if we'd ever watched this movie together,

1496
01:17:00,000 --> 01:17:01,880
Speaker 3: I would have gotten my whole family fucking history at

1497
01:17:01,880 --> 01:17:03,240
Speaker 3: one fell sort when I was a kid.

1498
01:17:03,600 --> 01:17:06,200
Speaker 1: Who else she got something with Scatman? Is there he

1499
01:17:06,320 --> 01:17:08,360
Speaker 1: like some Scatman connection or.

1500
01:17:08,360 --> 01:17:10,479
Speaker 3: Is he like my uncle, he's my godfather? What's going on?

1501
01:17:10,960 --> 01:17:15,519
Speaker 1: Was Richard Bryor like, you know, bringing the Thanksgiving turkey?

1502
01:17:15,560 --> 01:17:17,120
Speaker 1: Over every year, like, what's going on?

1503
01:17:17,280 --> 01:17:17,639
Speaker 3: Whose?

1504
01:17:17,760 --> 01:17:18,960
Speaker 1: Who else are you related to?

1505
01:17:19,200 --> 01:17:21,919
Speaker 3: In this film, Richard Pryor used to bring the swan's

1506
01:17:21,960 --> 01:17:31,080
Speaker 3: ice cream. Ah, but it's a wild so billy billy.

1507
01:17:31,640 --> 01:17:34,600
Speaker 3: Holiday sees Lewis McKay and it's just like enamored, and

1508
01:17:34,680 --> 01:17:38,920
Speaker 3: she's like, I love this dude. She clearly starts doing

1509
01:17:39,000 --> 01:17:41,519
Speaker 3: sex work at some point, and again there's this timeline

1510
01:17:41,560 --> 01:17:43,240
Speaker 3: thing that happens in the movie where they don't actually

1511
01:17:43,280 --> 01:17:45,479
Speaker 3: stop and give you any indication about how much time

1512
01:17:45,520 --> 01:17:48,439
Speaker 3: has passed. But at some point she looks older, she

1513
01:17:48,479 --> 01:17:50,400
Speaker 3: looks like she's a little bit more put together, and

1514
01:17:50,439 --> 01:17:53,240
Speaker 3: she's clearly started doing sex work instead of cleaning at

1515
01:17:53,240 --> 01:17:56,800
Speaker 3: this brothel that she's been working. Then she sees a

1516
01:17:56,800 --> 01:17:59,559
Speaker 3: sign across the street in a club for a dancer,

1517
01:17:59,800 --> 01:18:01,920
Speaker 3: and let me tell you, she cannot dance to save

1518
01:18:01,960 --> 01:18:05,439
Speaker 3: her life. The scene is fucking hilarious. But she does

1519
01:18:05,439 --> 01:18:07,280
Speaker 3: get a job as a singer, and she changes her

1520
01:18:07,320 --> 01:18:10,720
Speaker 3: name to Billie Holiday on the spot the singer before her,

1521
01:18:10,760 --> 01:18:13,400
Speaker 3: when during her first night, the singer before her is

1522
01:18:13,479 --> 01:18:16,040
Speaker 3: like singing and then picking up tips on the edge

1523
01:18:16,080 --> 01:18:20,760
Speaker 3: of the table with her chooch a Billy Holiday is like,

1524
01:18:21,240 --> 01:18:25,920
Speaker 3: I am not doing that. I did not promise this,

1525
01:18:26,160 --> 01:18:29,760
Speaker 3: by the way, I did not promise you flowers, and

1526
01:18:29,840 --> 01:18:33,240
Speaker 3: I did not promise you that I could fucking pick.

1527
01:18:33,120 --> 01:18:34,719
Speaker 2: Up bills with my chuuoch.

1528
01:18:38,080 --> 01:18:42,120
Speaker 3: So she's met her pianist, Richard Pryor at this point,

1529
01:18:42,120 --> 01:18:44,880
Speaker 3: who's playing the character, you know, the piano man, and

1530
01:18:45,120 --> 01:18:49,200
Speaker 3: he's like, just you know, the crowd is a little

1531
01:18:49,200 --> 01:18:51,800
Speaker 3: bit vicious while she's not picking up these tips, so

1532
01:18:51,800 --> 01:18:53,519
Speaker 3: he's just trying to play along and kind of but

1533
01:18:53,560 --> 01:18:55,360
Speaker 3: he becomes like her friend, like he becomes someone she

1534
01:18:55,400 --> 01:18:57,320
Speaker 3: can confide in and count on.

1535
01:18:58,080 --> 01:18:59,840
Speaker 2: So she's not picking up any of these tips, and

1536
01:19:00,080 --> 01:19:01,280
Speaker 2: Hill Louis.

1537
01:19:01,040 --> 01:19:04,639
Speaker 3: McKay gives her a fifty dollars bill directly from his hand,

1538
01:19:05,000 --> 01:19:08,320
Speaker 3: and then everybody starts tipping her in the same demure

1539
01:19:08,360 --> 01:19:11,439
Speaker 3: and respectful way, and he starts kind of wooing her.

1540
01:19:11,640 --> 01:19:14,960
Speaker 3: You know, he has a club of his own, Cathay Manhattan,

1541
01:19:14,960 --> 01:19:17,120
Speaker 3: and they kind of fall for each other, and he

1542
01:19:17,200 --> 01:19:20,720
Speaker 3: sets her up and she starts to take off. So

1543
01:19:20,840 --> 01:19:24,519
Speaker 3: part of her taking off is there these guys that

1544
01:19:24,560 --> 01:19:26,800
Speaker 3: want her to sing in their band, the Red Handley Band,

1545
01:19:26,920 --> 01:19:29,439
Speaker 3: and they're both white guys, and she decides to take

1546
01:19:29,479 --> 01:19:32,120
Speaker 3: off on the road because she decides she has to

1547
01:19:32,200 --> 01:19:34,679
Speaker 3: win over Middle America before she could make it big

1548
01:19:34,920 --> 01:19:37,320
Speaker 3: in New York downtown, you know, be as big as

1549
01:19:37,320 --> 01:19:39,880
Speaker 3: she wants to be. And that was really true back then,

1550
01:19:39,920 --> 01:19:42,040
Speaker 3: but also very dangerous. You know, there's a scene where

1551
01:19:42,080 --> 01:19:44,720
Speaker 3: the KKK is coming through a town and they're all

1552
01:19:44,760 --> 01:19:47,479
Speaker 3: on the bus together and she's kind of, you know,

1553
01:19:48,280 --> 01:19:52,840
Speaker 3: flipping out about the violence that they portray and what.

1554
01:19:52,800 --> 01:19:53,519
Speaker 2: She'd just seen.

1555
01:19:53,640 --> 01:19:56,160
Speaker 3: She'd just seen a lynching, and it's very dangerous for

1556
01:19:56,200 --> 01:19:58,000
Speaker 3: her to be traveling with this band, or be traveling

1557
01:19:58,040 --> 01:20:00,640
Speaker 3: at all, and her band isn't real Bill always very

1558
01:20:00,680 --> 01:20:03,360
Speaker 3: responsive to that. I think they're kind to her and

1559
01:20:03,600 --> 01:20:05,800
Speaker 3: not racist, but they kind of obviously, but they kind

1560
01:20:05,800 --> 01:20:09,400
Speaker 3: of are not as responsible about putting her in places

1561
01:20:09,400 --> 01:20:12,200
Speaker 3: where she's safe. And this really comes to a head

1562
01:20:12,240 --> 01:20:14,720
Speaker 3: when one of her bandmates offers her morphine. So in

1563
01:20:14,760 --> 01:20:18,639
Speaker 3: real life, Billy Holiday was addicted to opium and heroin,

1564
01:20:19,000 --> 01:20:21,920
Speaker 3: and in the movie it's kind of portrayed as you know,

1565
01:20:21,960 --> 01:20:24,719
Speaker 3: this bandmate was the first one to offer her something

1566
01:20:24,800 --> 01:20:27,439
Speaker 3: to help her deal with life on the road, and

1567
01:20:28,120 --> 01:20:30,559
Speaker 3: you know, Lewis comes to meet her on tour and

1568
01:20:30,600 --> 01:20:34,840
Speaker 3: he can see clearly that she's on drugs and he

1569
01:20:34,880 --> 01:20:36,519
Speaker 3: wants to take her home, but she doesn't want to go.

1570
01:20:36,680 --> 01:20:38,360
Speaker 3: And again, we kind of have that thing with the

1571
01:20:38,439 --> 01:20:40,760
Speaker 3: Rose where she needs to be out there. She wants

1572
01:20:40,800 --> 01:20:44,640
Speaker 3: to be out there. She can't imagine not having the

1573
01:20:44,720 --> 01:20:48,160
Speaker 3: life that she's built for herself, but she's also starting

1574
01:20:48,200 --> 01:20:49,880
Speaker 3: to be in the throes of addiction and not able

1575
01:20:49,920 --> 01:20:53,880
Speaker 3: to face that. I also think that there's a during

1576
01:20:53,920 --> 01:20:56,600
Speaker 3: the scene where Lewis comes to see her for the

1577
01:20:56,640 --> 01:20:59,840
Speaker 3: first time and the music is like it's too light

1578
01:20:59,880 --> 01:21:02,000
Speaker 3: to me for some reason, Like it's almost like music,

1579
01:21:02,160 --> 01:21:05,000
Speaker 3: and you cannot convince me that it was not the

1580
01:21:05,040 --> 01:21:08,880
Speaker 3: inspiration for Cameron Crowe's scene and almost famous where Kate

1581
01:21:08,920 --> 01:21:14,000
Speaker 3: Hudson is getting her stomach pumped to Stevie Wonder, Like,

1582
01:21:15,880 --> 01:21:19,960
Speaker 3: can't convince me, I think because the music is so

1583
01:21:20,200 --> 01:21:22,479
Speaker 3: light in the scene and like there was intense shit

1584
01:21:22,640 --> 01:21:28,000
Speaker 3: is happening, and I'm like, yo, yeah, it's like anytime

1585
01:21:28,040 --> 01:21:29,160
Speaker 3: that happens in a movie.

1586
01:21:29,240 --> 01:21:34,080
Speaker 1: I'm like, yo, what happened with this song? Now? I

1587
01:21:34,120 --> 01:21:37,000
Speaker 1: can't even listen to the song without thinking it's like

1588
01:21:37,040 --> 01:21:40,519
Speaker 1: in uh Boogie Nights. Whatever I hear, whenever I hear

1589
01:21:40,600 --> 01:21:42,680
Speaker 1: like Sister Christian, I'm like, oh, all I can think

1590
01:21:42,720 --> 01:21:45,920
Speaker 1: about is coked up Alfred Malina walking her like the

1591
01:21:46,000 --> 01:21:47,880
Speaker 1: one of your crackers going off like.

1592
01:21:49,600 --> 01:21:52,800
Speaker 3: It is bonkers. So it's like, okay, this the tone is.

1593
01:21:52,920 --> 01:21:55,320
Speaker 3: I get the tone being set here is trying to

1594
01:21:55,520 --> 01:21:58,840
Speaker 3: mimic something between tenderness and something very fraught, but it

1595
01:21:59,160 --> 01:22:00,760
Speaker 3: just comes across.

1596
01:22:00,280 --> 01:22:04,439
Speaker 2: Very strange to me. And eventually Billy's in the throws

1597
01:22:04,479 --> 01:22:07,000
Speaker 2: of addiction and she's totally strung out, and Lewis kicks

1598
01:22:07,000 --> 01:22:10,920
Speaker 2: her out and she eventually goes to rehab and Lewis

1599
01:22:10,960 --> 01:22:13,600
Speaker 2: comes back in the picture and proposes, but she's arrested

1600
01:22:14,320 --> 01:22:17,080
Speaker 2: for a narcotics use and loses her cabaret license so

1601
01:22:17,120 --> 01:22:18,559
Speaker 2: she can't perform in New York anymore.

1602
01:22:19,240 --> 01:22:21,040
Speaker 3: And that's where we catch up to the beginning of

1603
01:22:21,040 --> 01:22:23,280
Speaker 3: the movie, where she's been put in jail and it's

1604
01:22:23,360 --> 01:22:26,280
Speaker 3: kind of going through withdrawals, and she eventually does get

1605
01:22:26,320 --> 01:22:28,080
Speaker 3: a new agent who wants to send her on the

1606
01:22:28,160 --> 01:22:30,920
Speaker 3: road and hopes that again if she can drum up

1607
01:22:31,600 --> 01:22:35,800
Speaker 3: some crowds across America, that she can come back to

1608
01:22:35,840 --> 01:22:38,920
Speaker 3: New York and they'll waive this felony charge or at

1609
01:22:39,000 --> 01:22:41,519
Speaker 3: least be able to get her her cabaret license back,

1610
01:22:42,240 --> 01:22:45,720
Speaker 3: and promises her that they can play Carnegie Hall if

1611
01:22:45,760 --> 01:22:48,120
Speaker 3: she does well on the road. So she goes on

1612
01:22:48,120 --> 01:22:51,200
Speaker 3: the road the piano Man, and as you can imagine,

1613
01:22:51,240 --> 01:22:53,040
Speaker 3: the road is not a safe place for her to be.

1614
01:22:53,400 --> 01:22:57,840
Speaker 3: She instantly falls back into drug use, and they kind

1615
01:22:57,880 --> 01:23:00,799
Speaker 3: of rush the ending of the film. She does eventually

1616
01:23:00,800 --> 01:23:05,040
Speaker 3: play Carnegie Hall, and then also gets arrested again a

1617
01:23:05,080 --> 01:23:09,439
Speaker 3: couple more times and eventually does Very Young, Very Tragic

1618
01:23:09,680 --> 01:23:15,080
Speaker 3: in nineteen fifty nine. So again, I think it's important.

1619
01:23:16,000 --> 01:23:19,120
Speaker 3: I think that she was just one of the most

1620
01:23:19,120 --> 01:23:23,240
Speaker 3: phenomenal singer's deeply troubled life. I think people tend to

1621
01:23:23,360 --> 01:23:29,280
Speaker 3: focus on the legend of her, so I think we're

1622
01:23:29,360 --> 01:23:32,240
Speaker 3: due for something that focuses on the humanity of her,

1623
01:23:32,360 --> 01:23:35,920
Speaker 3: especially now that we culturally have taken a different, more

1624
01:23:36,000 --> 01:23:39,240
Speaker 3: tender approach to people who suffer from addiction. But she

1625
01:23:39,439 --> 01:23:45,080
Speaker 3: was absolutely doing something incredibly unique, beautiful and creating an

1626
01:23:45,240 --> 01:23:48,920
Speaker 3: unbelievable art out of her pain at a time when

1627
01:23:48,920 --> 01:23:52,280
Speaker 3: that was yeah, part of the blues tradition. But she

1628
01:23:52,400 --> 01:23:54,000
Speaker 3: was doing something else with it. She was kind of

1629
01:23:54,000 --> 01:23:57,160
Speaker 3: combining blues and jazz, and there was just a soulfulness

1630
01:23:57,200 --> 01:24:00,760
Speaker 3: to her that I think is heartbreaking to this day

1631
01:24:00,800 --> 01:24:03,320
Speaker 3: to hear her voice, she just brings something heartbreaking out.

1632
01:24:03,920 --> 01:24:06,040
Speaker 3: So yeah, there are definitely some things in the film

1633
01:24:06,080 --> 01:24:09,640
Speaker 3: that breeze over parts of her life or kind of

1634
01:24:09,680 --> 01:24:12,800
Speaker 3: emphasize strange things in her life. But I think it

1635
01:24:12,880 --> 01:24:15,280
Speaker 3: really does fit well with this theme of you know, again,

1636
01:24:15,360 --> 01:24:18,000
Speaker 3: women who are not protected. And you know, she marries

1637
01:24:18,040 --> 01:24:22,160
Speaker 3: Louis McKay and and the you know eventually makes it.

1638
01:24:22,360 --> 01:24:24,000
Speaker 3: You know, she makes this decision like I'm going to

1639
01:24:24,000 --> 01:24:25,720
Speaker 3: stay at home and I'm going to be married to you.

1640
01:24:25,800 --> 01:24:27,519
Speaker 3: But then within a couple of months it's like, no,

1641
01:24:27,560 --> 01:24:29,960
Speaker 3: I got it, sing like I can't be this person.

1642
01:24:30,040 --> 01:24:33,760
Speaker 3: So I think there's there's something that is really I

1643
01:24:34,040 --> 01:24:38,640
Speaker 3: feel like I'm part of a tradition of women artists

1644
01:24:39,280 --> 01:24:42,519
Speaker 3: who have had to make a choice about between their

1645
01:24:42,520 --> 01:24:45,040
Speaker 3: life and their creativity. And it feels kind of interesting

1646
01:24:45,160 --> 01:24:49,160
Speaker 3: to see how these issues have played women who create

1647
01:24:49,640 --> 01:24:52,559
Speaker 3: for most of time. But yeah, I feel like really

1648
01:24:53,560 --> 01:24:55,240
Speaker 3: good about the movies that we picked this week. They're

1649
01:24:55,240 --> 01:24:58,759
Speaker 3: both very very interesting a bit of a bummer double feature,

1650
01:25:00,160 --> 01:25:02,280
Speaker 3: but I think it's worth looking at the ways that

1651
01:25:03,200 --> 01:25:05,519
Speaker 3: women are portrayed on film, how much of their lives

1652
01:25:05,600 --> 01:25:11,040
Speaker 3: are disjointed because they cannot please everyone, how men come

1653
01:25:11,080 --> 01:25:15,720
Speaker 3: in and kind of dismantle some of the spirit of

1654
01:25:15,720 --> 01:25:19,800
Speaker 3: what they're doing, and how people really just are not

1655
01:25:19,920 --> 01:25:23,280
Speaker 3: protecting some of these creators.

1656
01:25:23,680 --> 01:25:28,120
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, like you said, it was a bit heavy

1657
01:25:28,120 --> 01:25:30,840
Speaker 1: this week, but ultimately, like two really important movies, I

1658
01:25:30,840 --> 01:25:33,439
Speaker 1: feel like, you know, maybe if you do take a

1659
01:25:33,479 --> 01:25:36,720
Speaker 1: break between them, that would be okay because watching them

1660
01:25:36,720 --> 01:25:39,280
Speaker 1: back to back. Yeah, Plus they are both kind of

1661
01:25:39,320 --> 01:25:42,120
Speaker 1: long too, so yeah, I know, it's like it's.

1662
01:25:41,960 --> 01:25:43,120
Speaker 2: A full Saturday afternoon.

1663
01:25:43,160 --> 01:25:45,559
Speaker 3: You should throw some King of the Hill or Beavis

1664
01:25:45,600 --> 01:25:46,599
Speaker 3: and butt Hen in between there.

1665
01:25:46,840 --> 01:25:53,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, just listen to some of Danielle's great grandfather. Just

1666
01:25:53,240 --> 01:25:56,000
Speaker 1: go out and maybe to point your speakers outside of

1667
01:25:56,040 --> 01:25:59,559
Speaker 1: your window and try to get a kid from across

1668
01:25:59,600 --> 01:26:00,519
Speaker 1: the streets like you.

1669
01:26:01,400 --> 01:26:04,960
Speaker 3: This is what I'm saying. I'm up there blasting Charles

1670
01:26:05,040 --> 01:26:07,120
Speaker 3: mink Is out of my fucking window. My grandmother never

1671
01:26:07,240 --> 01:26:09,880
Speaker 3: once stops and things to say. You know, your great

1672
01:26:09,880 --> 01:26:13,240
Speaker 3: grandfather played jazz fucking piano. Maybe you should try to

1673
01:26:13,280 --> 01:26:16,320
Speaker 3: capture this kid with that snatch him up with your

1674
01:26:16,320 --> 01:26:17,519
Speaker 3: personal connection to it.

1675
01:26:17,840 --> 01:26:20,040
Speaker 1: Exactly well, I expect that you're going to write all

1676
01:26:20,080 --> 01:26:22,400
Speaker 1: about this anyway, like I think you should write both stories,

1677
01:26:22,400 --> 01:26:28,799
Speaker 1: both about Billy d And and Billie Holiday all the Billies.

1678
01:26:28,880 --> 01:26:31,320
Speaker 1: Just write like a Billy Billy article.

1679
01:26:31,720 --> 01:26:35,000
Speaker 3: For Billie Billy Compendium from the New Worker.

1680
01:26:35,560 --> 01:26:39,240
Speaker 1: Exactly well. Listen, everybody, if you want to email us,

1681
01:26:40,360 --> 01:26:43,160
Speaker 1: we are at I Saw you Pot at gmail dot com.

1682
01:26:43,200 --> 01:26:46,400
Speaker 1: Of course, we also have a po box two if

1683
01:26:46,400 --> 01:26:48,479
Speaker 1: you want to send us mail, and.

1684
01:26:48,360 --> 01:26:51,280
Speaker 3: You can find that address and more if you follow

1685
01:26:51,360 --> 01:26:53,680
Speaker 3: us on social media, we are at I Saw Pot

1686
01:26:53,760 --> 01:26:55,599
Speaker 3: on Instagram, Blue Sky and Twitter.

1687
01:26:56,360 --> 01:26:58,160
Speaker 2: You can also leave us a voicemail to play on

1688
01:26:58,160 --> 01:26:59,919
Speaker 2: the show. Now, all you have to do is record.

1689
01:26:59,720 --> 01:27:01,720
Speaker 3: A voice memo on your phone and email it to

1690
01:27:01,760 --> 01:27:04,040
Speaker 3: you I Saw what you did pot at gmail dot com.

1691
01:27:04,160 --> 01:27:06,439
Speaker 3: Please make it sixty seconds or less, and please record

1692
01:27:06,439 --> 01:27:07,479
Speaker 3: it in a quiet space.

1693
01:27:07,760 --> 01:27:11,360
Speaker 1: Absolutely. We also have Birch go to exactly right store

1694
01:27:11,520 --> 01:27:13,120
Speaker 1: dot com if you want it.

1695
01:27:13,840 --> 01:27:16,600
Speaker 3: And you know, we drop a new bonus episode the

1696
01:27:16,680 --> 01:27:19,880
Speaker 3: third Thursday of every month right in your main feed.

1697
01:27:21,479 --> 01:27:24,000
Speaker 1: Millie, I'm dancing I'm dancing.

1698
01:27:23,680 --> 01:27:29,160
Speaker 3: At next I'm gonna.

1699
01:27:28,920 --> 01:27:32,160
Speaker 1: Saw the theme for next week. I just sit do it.

1700
01:27:32,240 --> 01:27:38,040
Speaker 1: I'm doing a little ragtime piano dance cuz you are

1701
01:27:38,040 --> 01:27:41,800
Speaker 1: you fucking ready for this shit? Okay? Can I say

1702
01:27:41,840 --> 01:27:43,519
Speaker 1: the movies? Can I say them?

1703
01:27:43,680 --> 01:27:44,040
Speaker 2: Please?

1704
01:27:44,040 --> 01:27:44,400
Speaker 3: Say them?

1705
01:27:44,400 --> 01:27:45,679
Speaker 2: Because I can't stop laughing.

1706
01:27:45,880 --> 01:27:53,800
Speaker 1: Okay, Your films for next week, people are The Raid

1707
01:27:53,840 --> 01:27:59,599
Speaker 1: Redemption from twenty eleven and John Wick from twenty four.

1708
01:28:00,400 --> 01:28:03,240
Speaker 1: Oh my god, Oh my god.

1709
01:28:03,120 --> 01:28:03,920
Speaker 3: Guess the theme.

1710
01:28:04,320 --> 01:28:05,479
Speaker 2: Try to guess the theme?

1711
01:28:06,520 --> 01:28:09,559
Speaker 1: Try, Oh my god. I am so excited for next week.

1712
01:28:11,760 --> 01:28:14,920
Speaker 1: Danielle as always a fucking pleasure to join this podcast

1713
01:28:14,960 --> 01:28:15,760
Speaker 1: with you. You're the best.

1714
01:28:16,280 --> 01:28:17,240
Speaker 2: Hey, God, damn love it.

1715
01:28:18,200 --> 01:28:20,120
Speaker 1: See you next work.

1716
01:28:27,240 --> 01:28:28,759
Speaker 2: This has been an exactly right production.

1717
01:28:29,080 --> 01:28:32,400
Speaker 3: Our senior producer is Casey O'Brien. Episode mixing and theme

1718
01:28:32,439 --> 01:28:36,320
Speaker 3: music by Tom Bryfogel, artwork by Garrett Ross. Our executive

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