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Speaker 1: our conversation in Doctor Strange and the Multiverse of Madness.

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Speaker 1: You have been hereby warned. Hello.

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Speaker 2: My name is Jason Coccepcion, and welcome.

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Speaker 1: Next to our Vision the Crooked podcast, where we dive

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Speaker 1: deep into your favorite shows, movies, comics, and pop culture.

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Speaker 1: In today's episode, on previously on, we're going to talk

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Speaker 1: on Doctor Stranger in the Multiverse of Madness. In Hive Mind,

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Speaker 1: our good friend Jason Manzukas joins us to just talk

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Speaker 1: about comics and talk about our origin stories with comics

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Speaker 1: and what we're reading right now. In nerd Out, a

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Speaker 2: And in the endgame, what's your mutant power?

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Speaker 1: Joining us today. The brilliant, the great, the knowledgeable, the hilarious.

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Speaker 1: Rosie Night, Rosie. How are you?

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Speaker 2: I'm excited to talk about comics.

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Speaker 1: As of the last two days reading comics, I had

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Speaker 4: Comics are the best, the best.

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Speaker 1: Okay news Okay. First up, As mentioned at the top

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Speaker 1: the internet and not much as say except they look great, Rosie,

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Speaker 4: They're doing it really great. They're doing exactly what we

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Speaker 2: Next up, Paramount news. A bunch of.

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Speaker 4: know Marvel loves, we love. We know they love to

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Speaker 4: do an ad R, So I don't know if I

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Speaker 4: believe that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, we'll get into that a little bit in

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Speaker 1: a bit, but a class It is a classic Marvel

436
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Speaker 1: technique to just dub a different line over whatever the

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Speaker 1: scene is so that they mask what is really going on. Continue.

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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, yeah. So back to the Illuminati. Also, Baron

439
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Speaker 4: Morto could potentially be a member of the Illuminati. There

440
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Speaker 4: is a like he may be in the area, so

441
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Speaker 4: we could see an alternate universe of Morto where he

442
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Speaker 4: is the sorcer of Supreme, which has been the case. Okay,

443
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Speaker 4: so the big ones that I think everyone is really

444
00:23:39,720 --> 00:23:44,399
Speaker 4: talking about is we see a aside from Patrick Stewart,

445
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Speaker 4: which I have to say is such a huge trailer drop,

446
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Speaker 4: Like everyone's believe that means the X Men are Kevin

447
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Speaker 4: in the MCU in at least some universe, right, which.

448
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Speaker 1: Is huge, Which is huge. And we should add that

449
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Speaker 1: Kevin Feigy is anti reboots philosophically. If the movie came out,

450
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Speaker 1: he's going to act like that movie the reality of it,

451
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Speaker 1: some portion of it exists. In the emails that emerged

452
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Speaker 1: during the North Korean hacking incident of Sony Pictures, there

453
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Speaker 1: was a conversation in which Figi talks about why he

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Speaker 1: would not reboot any of his movies. He says in

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Speaker 1: one of the emails, he says, quote, in a million years,

456
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Speaker 1: I would not advocate rebooting The Iron Man MCU. To me,

457
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Speaker 1: it's James Bond. We can keep telling stories for decades,

458
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Speaker 1: even with new actress. So I think that that's right. Like,

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Speaker 1: if we're wondering about what this means for all the

460
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Speaker 1: previous X Men movies, I think we should assume that

461
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Speaker 1: all of that exists, yeah, in the mcun.

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Speaker 4: And it also makes sense because Kevin Fagi worked on

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Speaker 4: those movies like he has been heralding these stories for

464
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Speaker 4: such a long time and in so many different ways,

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Speaker 4: so of course he wants them to all exist. The

466
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Speaker 4: question is, you know, do I think that Patrick Stewtt

467
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Speaker 4: is going to be the main Exavier going forward for

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Speaker 4: the next ten years in the MCU. No, but does

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Speaker 4: his Xavier exist here? Yes? So there's a there's a

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Speaker 4: sequence shortly after that where we see Wonder and she's

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Speaker 4: fighting with this this dynamic armored character who has these

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Speaker 4: kind of shiny blue gauntlets in this chest piece and

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Speaker 4: a head sock, like a flaming kind of head sock.

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Speaker 4: Our belief we have talked about this is that it

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Speaker 4: is likely, and if the Illuminati is made of variance,

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Speaker 4: which it seems to be, it's likely Maria Rambo, who

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Speaker 4: he met in Captain Marvel, who was the mother of

478
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Speaker 4: Monica Rambo, but from a universe where she got the

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Speaker 4: powers instead of Carol. That seems likely.

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Speaker 1: So I agree with you. And it's a little confusing

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Speaker 1: because again it's Maria, not Monica.

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Speaker 4: Who we know has powers, who we.

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Speaker 1: Know has powers, but not Monica's powers Captain Marvel's powers, yes.

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Speaker 4: And the other It's important to bring this up because

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Speaker 4: this has been a talking point for many years, many

486
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Speaker 4: many moons ago. In the in the ages before the MCU,

487
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Speaker 4: someone else was supposed to play iron Man or was

488
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Speaker 4: spoken about for the role, and it was Tom Cruise.

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Speaker 4: Now you can see why it's hard to believe because

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Speaker 4: Robert Downey Jr. Is Iron Man. But I think the

491
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Speaker 4: freedom of anyone who took on that role would have

492
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Speaker 4: been to make it their own. Yeah, so some people

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Speaker 4: think that in that moment, when you see that fight,

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Speaker 4: it could be Tom Cruise as superior iron Man. I

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Speaker 4: do think that if they're doing variants, we will likely

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Speaker 4: get to see him. But I think because of the

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Speaker 4: history between Monica and Wander and Wander and Sword, I

498
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Speaker 4: think that if that fight, it seems to more emotionally

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Speaker 4: and narratively makes sense if it is Maria.

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Speaker 1: So who do we think is a member of this

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Speaker 1: Illuminati council? We know Patrick Stewart is there as Charles Exavior, Okay,

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Speaker 1: we think Killmonger is there. Okay, we think that Captain

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Speaker 1: Carter slash Captain Britain is there. We think that do

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Speaker 1: we think that, for instance, Naymour, who is a member

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Speaker 1: of the team in the comics, might be I.

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Speaker 4: Think that nay More is such a big will be

507
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Speaker 4: such a big character for them who they've been holding

508
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Speaker 4: off for so long, and that the arc of Black

509
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Speaker 4: Panther two as we know it seems to me that

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Speaker 4: we will probably meet nam Or there or it will

511
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Speaker 4: lead into nay More. So I think they're going to

512
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Speaker 4: go for more likely variants of characters we've already seen.

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Speaker 4: So I think Read Richards is probably pretty high on

514
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Speaker 4: that list if they're going to I agree with him.

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Speaker 4: If they're going to do Patrick Stewart as Charles Xavier

516
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Speaker 4: is the biggest surprise you could do. If you're saying

517
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Speaker 4: the X Men exist, then there's no reason to not

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Speaker 4: do the fantastic.

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Speaker 1: For here's a question I have for you. So in

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Speaker 1: the trailer, and again understanding that very often Marvel will

521
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Speaker 1: ad r different lines on top of scenes or completely

522
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Speaker 1: erase dialogue from the trailer. In the scene where strangers

523
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Speaker 1: brought before the Illuminati Council, we hear Charles Xavier, and

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Speaker 1: I can't believe it was saying Charles Xavier. Will we

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Speaker 1: hear Charles Exavior say we should tell him? This suggests

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Speaker 1: to me if that's a real line that some knowledge

527
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Speaker 1: that possibly separate from Strange's many crimes against the others,

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Speaker 1: that Strange assumes something knows something about his own reality

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Speaker 1: that is in fact false, Which is just to me

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Speaker 1: that the Illuminati, again, if this line is legit, is

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Speaker 1: hiding something in six one senes on Earth. They have

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Speaker 1: been masking something. Now in the in the comics Illuminati,

533
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Speaker 1: they their entire existence is kept secret. It's kept secret

534
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Speaker 1: from literally everyone who should know about it. They go

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Speaker 1: on missions that no one knows about, and again hide

536
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Speaker 1: stuff behind the scenes. Do we think that there's a

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Speaker 1: world in which the Illuminati has been hiding the existence

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Speaker 1: of mutants or something inside the six to one and

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Speaker 1: six reality much in the way that like the eternals

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Speaker 1: exist but have just been staying out of I.

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Speaker 4: Could definitely see that, especially because I think that if

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Speaker 4: you have the illumine, are he having like a greater

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Speaker 4: They have many missions right the fingers in many cosmic pies.

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Speaker 4: So to me, I'm like, you could do that in

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Speaker 4: a way that didn't feel utterly unbelievable, because you could

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Speaker 4: have had them. The Illuminati has been hiding mutants on

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Speaker 4: Earth for five years since the Blip, or for ten

548
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Speaker 4: years since you know, this other existence. It doesn't have

549
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Speaker 4: to be that they've been there forever, it doesn't have

550
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Speaker 4: to be in eternals or inhumans living on the moon.

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Speaker 4: Like I think that that is very likely because I

552
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Speaker 4: think they're really trying to find a way, and it

553
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Speaker 4: would make sense for Charles to be the leader because

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Speaker 4: he has this love and care for mutant kind or

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Speaker 4: people with powers. I also think it could be like

556
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Speaker 4: something along the lines of, like, you know, we need

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Speaker 4: to tell him that he didn't actually close the poor.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the multiversity.

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Speaker 4: So I think there's like really cool. I think it's

560
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Speaker 4: a really exciting trailer because there's like so many options

561
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Speaker 4: and so many kind of like there's so many spaces

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Speaker 4: because we haven't even talked about yet, who is clearly

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Speaker 4: going to be like the co leading character in this movie,

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Speaker 4: Slash possibly sadly for us, theontageted.

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Speaker 1: Let's do that. Let's talk about Wanda through this. So

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Speaker 1: one of the things that I don't think anybody is

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Speaker 1: talking about. We've been been texting about this, nobody is

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Speaker 1: really talking about the line and the trailer in which

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Speaker 1: Strange asks Wanda, what do you know about the multiverse?

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Speaker 1: And she says Viz thought it was dangerous. This is

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Speaker 1: like very quietly huge to me that in standard continuity,

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Speaker 1: Vision and Wanda had been talking about the multiverse. When

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Speaker 1: when did they know about it? What did they know

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Speaker 1: about it? Up until recently in the canon of the

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Speaker 1: of the MCU, it's been in terms of people understanding it,

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Speaker 1: knowing about it before they were just like dropped into

577
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Speaker 1: the multiverse had been it had been extremely theore. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: so how were they talking about it? And how does

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Speaker 1: Vision have any ability to make a judgment on what

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Speaker 1: or what the what not? But the multiverse possibly.

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Speaker 4: Is especially when you think about the timeline of wonder Vision,

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Speaker 4: because the Vision that we know is gone by the

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Speaker 4: time that it is considering using the multiverse or kind

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Speaker 4: of using the Dark Hold to explore and try and

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Speaker 4: find the kids. So I think this is really interesting

586
00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:19,959
Speaker 4: and it kind of touches on something that we were

587
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Speaker 4: talking about in pre pro We see these ultron bots, right,

588
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Speaker 4: and they are potentially these what if ol universe kill

589
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Speaker 4: manger ultron bots. But the only thing I could think

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Speaker 4: of when I thought about this, you know, shout out

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Speaker 4: venom its, like maybe Vision had some you know, the

592
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Speaker 4: way that he's created in the comics is very different

593
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Speaker 4: from the way he's created in the movies. In the comics,

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Speaker 4: his brain is like a kind of a brain signal

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Speaker 4: imparant of a different character Simon Williams Wonderman. But in

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Speaker 4: the movie he has this unbelievable I just I love

597
00:31:56,040 --> 00:31:58,840
Speaker 4: his movie Origin so much, which is this mixture of

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Speaker 4: this artificial intelligence that has this great understanding of everything

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Speaker 4: in the world because of the Internet, and then the

600
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Speaker 4: love and care of these scientists in you know, Banner

601
00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:15,280
Speaker 4: and Tony, and also the magical god as Thunder. Yeah,

602
00:32:15,320 --> 00:32:17,760
Speaker 4: and also Thought. You know, he loves Thought so much

603
00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:19,720
Speaker 4: when he gets brought to life that he chooses to

604
00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:22,440
Speaker 4: make a cape because he sees Thor's cape. So I

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Speaker 4: wonder if there's some kind of world in which Vision's

606
00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:30,640
Speaker 4: understanding of the multiverse and the universe was that if

607
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Speaker 4: there were other ultron bots, or if Ultron existed in

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Speaker 4: any other way, he could understand it. Because in Age

609
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Speaker 4: of Oltron we saw the hive mind in that way

610
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Speaker 4: that Ultron could control modiple bots and stuff. So I

611
00:32:43,080 --> 00:32:46,600
Speaker 4: think there's something very interesting there. I also think that

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Speaker 4: the UH. I also think that the MC is very

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Speaker 4: cheeky and so is Kevin Faggy. So like, it's really

614
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Speaker 4: likely that someone was just like Vision smart, he'd know

615
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Speaker 4: it was dangerous and they just put that in there,

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Speaker 4: and we're like, oh my god. So but I think

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Speaker 4: that's really cool, and I am forever dreaming of a

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00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:08,680
Speaker 4: wonder Vision reunion. And I also love the Gray White

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Speaker 4: Vision comics and the kind of journey that Wanda goes

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Speaker 4: on there. So I'm hoping that that mention in the

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Speaker 4: trailer means that Vision will be back in some way here.

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Speaker 1: Now with Wanda, it's pretty clear that Wanda, at least

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Speaker 1: judging from the trailer, is the villain yes story, It's

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Speaker 1: gonna be the villain of the story now in the comics,

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Speaker 1: particularly recently, particularly since M Day and House of m

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Speaker 1: I mean, you could go back to even you know,

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Speaker 1: the first appearance and reveal of the true nature of

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Speaker 1: Wanda's kids, and even you know, Avengers Disassembled is technically

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna put this in quote her fault. A lot

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Speaker 1: of the way that the people in the Marvel comics

631
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Speaker 1: think about Wanda is she's loved, She's beloved. Everyone understands

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Speaker 1: what a caring mother she is to the children that

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00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:06,120
Speaker 1: she created. But people are scared of her and kind

634
00:34:06,120 --> 00:34:07,720
Speaker 1: of the same way they are scared of the Hulk,

635
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Speaker 1: in that she is so extremely powerful that when she

636
00:34:12,880 --> 00:34:18,799
Speaker 1: gets mad, she gets sad, she goes through about of depression,

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Speaker 1: whatever the case may be. She has the potential to

638
00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:24,880
Speaker 1: change everything. Yeah, and so people are always very very

639
00:34:25,040 --> 00:34:27,440
Speaker 1: concerned about her, and I think that's what we're It

640
00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:32,080
Speaker 1: seems like that's what we're diving into now. Where Wanda

641
00:34:32,239 --> 00:34:34,880
Speaker 1: has grown in power with what we saw in Wanda

642
00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:40,440
Speaker 1: Vision is incredible. Her ability to create a pocket universe

643
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Speaker 1: with its own reality that she can switch all the time,

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Speaker 1: with ongoing backstories for all the people who are trapped

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Speaker 1: inside of it, plus that who she has brainwashed, plus

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Speaker 1: the creation from whole cloth of multiple people who did

647
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Speaker 1: not exist before and are essentially like living real people,

648
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Speaker 1: that is an incredible amount of power and really scary.

649
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Speaker 1: I want to So there's a moment where Strange goes

650
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Speaker 1: to see Wanda in the in the trailer and we

651
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Speaker 1: see her like in an orchard. Now in the recent

652
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Speaker 1: trial of Magneto Limited series, there is a new location

653
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Speaker 1: that is that we see in that series called the

654
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Speaker 1: Eldrich Orchard, which is kind of like a like a

655
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Speaker 1: magical realm of the mind or another reality that an

656
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Speaker 1: older version of Wanda lives in, and I wonder if

657
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Speaker 1: that's what we're seeing here.

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Speaker 4: I actually think that's a great call. And I think

659
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Speaker 4: bringing up Trial of Magneto, which is this five issue

660
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Speaker 4: series Leah Williams wrote, art by Lucas Warneck, it's really

661
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Speaker 4: good and I and the Algrich Orchard, I think is

662
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Speaker 4: really good catch because I think this whole book is

663
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Speaker 4: going to be important. I'm not going to tell you

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Speaker 4: the full story, but I can tell you the set up,

665
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Speaker 4: which is Wanda appears to have been killed and they're

666
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Speaker 4: trying to find out who did it. But what it

667
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Speaker 4: really becomes is an exploration of Wonder Wander's impact, Wander's life. Yes,

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Speaker 4: and the eldrich S Orchard seems to me to be

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Speaker 4: in these trailers because I agree there is In the

670
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Speaker 4: first trailer we saw from Noway Home, which we all

671
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Speaker 4: watched a lot and we talked about a lot. We

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Speaker 4: see Strange first speak to Wander in this space with

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Speaker 4: all these trees, and I was dreaming that it was

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Speaker 4: Mount Wondergre because I love Mount Wandergall. I love the

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Speaker 4: High Evolutionary. I love Weird Animal, Google Google Bova, everybody

676
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Speaker 4: loves Everybody loves Bova, mostly me, But no, I think

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Speaker 4: it's the Eldrich Orchard. We see these like beautiful, kind

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Speaker 4: of blossoming trees, and that was the only place we

679
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Speaker 4: saw them, so we thought, oh, maybe it's a farm,

680
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Speaker 4: maybe that's her safe space. But in this trailer, when

681
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Speaker 4: we see the defender strange statue outside this huge Sanctum Santaorum,

682
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Speaker 4: we see those trees again, completely out of place. So

683
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Speaker 4: I think in that way, I think you're right. I

684
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Speaker 4: think there are parts of this movie that are going

685
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Speaker 4: to be in Wonder's mind where because she's done something terrible,

686
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Speaker 4: or because she's coming to terms with something terrible that

687
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Speaker 4: happened to her. You were talking about her powers, and

688
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Speaker 4: it just makes me think that I love Elizabeth Olsen

689
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Speaker 4: as Wonder so much, and I specially love Wander in

690
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Speaker 4: this phase. But the Wonder of the MCU has a

691
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Speaker 4: lot of similarities tonally visually with Jean Gray from The

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Speaker 4: X Men.

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Speaker 1: I couldn't help but think about that, particularly in the

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Speaker 1: scene in which the two Wanders are facing each other

695
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Speaker 1: in the house. The kind of bloody Wander and Wanda,

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Speaker 1: who is sitting cross like on the.

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Speaker 4: Floor, and when you know she there's this brilliant line

698
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Speaker 4: that just it really hints that in amongst all the horror,

699
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Speaker 4: we're going to get some really deep emotional stuff. She

700
00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:43,080
Speaker 4: says to doctor Strange. She says, you know, you break

701
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Speaker 4: the rules and you're the hero, and I break them

702
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Speaker 4: and I'm the enemy. That doesn't seem fair. And I

703
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Speaker 4: just feel like this movie could be a swan song

704
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Speaker 4: to the end of this version of Wander, if not

705
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Speaker 4: for any other reason, because you can't really have this

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Speaker 4: Wonder live alongside a Gene Gray. If we're about to

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Speaker 4: go into an X Men one, I would love to

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Speaker 4: see it, but I feel like they're so similar in

709
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Speaker 4: threat level and power and emotion in trauma that it's unlikely.

710
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Speaker 4: So I think this could be in even more wonder

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Speaker 4: heavy movie than we've kind of seen in the trailers

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Speaker 4: so far.

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Speaker 1: I would add that in the comics, there is this

714
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Speaker 1: idea of a nexus being who, throughout the different variations

715
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Speaker 1: of the Timeline, remain basically constant from reality.

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Speaker 4: To connect every reality.

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Speaker 1: And can connect to them. Their existence is in fact

718
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Speaker 1: essential to the flow of time throughout the multiverse. I

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Speaker 1: bet we dive into that aspect of it as well,

720
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Speaker 1: where Wanda it's aside from being extremely powerful ability to

721
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Speaker 1: creator realities, is this like hinge point figure across the

722
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Speaker 1: multiverse that is going to be dangerous in a way

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Speaker 1: that people are really threatened by.

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Speaker 4: I definitely think so. People who watched Wonder Vision will

725
00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:03,759
Speaker 4: notice there was a lot of Nexus easter eggs. The

726
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Speaker 4: medication that she takes in one of the adverts is

727
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Speaker 4: called Nexus in the comics Wonder Is the next She

728
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Speaker 4: is introduced as the first Nexus being in a really

729
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Speaker 4: funny issue where Kang is trying to marry her. But

730
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Speaker 4: even though the issue is quite outrageous, you learn a

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Speaker 4: lot and there's this deep connection between the power that

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Speaker 4: Wander has and the power that Kang wants, and also

733
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Speaker 4: the TVA plays a large part in that. So I

734
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Speaker 4: think the Nexus being stuff could come in, especially because

735
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Speaker 4: we're entering a horror era. We see something that looks

736
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Speaker 4: like the Nexus of all realities, which is where they

737
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Speaker 4: all meet, which could be where the Illuminati is. It

738
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Speaker 4: could be that kind of doorway that's strange and America

739
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Speaker 4: and Christine Palmer are looking through and if that's the case,

740
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Speaker 4: like look Out for you know, I don't think he's

741
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Speaker 4: going to be in this movie. But as we move

742
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Speaker 4: towards this horror space, the Nexus of all Realities is

743
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Speaker 4: where Marvel's giant sized man thing lives. Who's there kind

744
00:39:54,920 --> 00:39:57,120
Speaker 4: of something? He's one of those horror characters. His name

745
00:39:57,160 --> 00:39:59,799
Speaker 4: is incredible and that so I just think there's a

746
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Speaker 4: lot interesting stuff. We're really diving into the weird parts

747
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Speaker 4: in the Marvel universe.

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Speaker 1: I love it. And then finally I gotta how does Kang?

749
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Speaker 1: This is the thing I can't help but think about.

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Speaker 1: We've the Jonathan Major's we know he's going to play Kang.

751
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Speaker 1: We watched him play King in Loki. He has been

752
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Speaker 1: presented as or thought of as kind of big bad

753
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Speaker 1: of this phase of the MCU. So how does he

754
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Speaker 1: come into all of this if at all? Is he

755
00:40:32,320 --> 00:40:35,880
Speaker 1: moving pieces around to try and make something happen? Is

756
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Speaker 1: he not involved in Multiverse of Madness at all? I

757
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Speaker 1: can't imagine that, especially in a movie that is, you know,

758
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Speaker 1: written by the showrunner. The showrunner of Loki, like It's

759
00:40:50,280 --> 00:40:53,360
Speaker 1: Michael Waldron is involved in both projects. It feels like

760
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Speaker 1: there has to be some sort of Kang, Yeah, crossover

761
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Speaker 1: reference something he has to be involved in this summer,

762
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Speaker 1: and that is the part that I can't figure out

763
00:41:02,960 --> 00:41:03,359
Speaker 1: me neither.

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Speaker 4: I would be really interested to know if this Illuminati

765
00:41:06,120 --> 00:41:09,560
Speaker 4: is made of variance and it's a multiversal illuminati Illuminati.

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Speaker 4: Was it founded by Kang at some point in the past,

767
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Speaker 4: or was it made to try and stop Kang and

768
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Speaker 4: the TVA is there. It seems like that would be

769
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Speaker 4: the easy connection. Also, like the you know, so when

770
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Speaker 4: we talk about councils in comics, one of the most

771
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Speaker 4: famous recurring councils are these Marvel councils that they do

772
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Speaker 4: with multiple characters. So you have the Council of Kang's. Yes,

773
00:41:31,960 --> 00:41:34,440
Speaker 4: you know, there's a version if you want to be really.

774
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Speaker 1: Very very Rick and Morty for the Rick and Morty

775
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Speaker 1: fans out.

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Speaker 4: There, that's where they got the idea.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, this will be a very familiar setup for all

778
00:41:42,520 --> 00:41:45,640
Speaker 1: of you read Richards. There's a council of Reads.

779
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Speaker 4: And so, you know, there's always an interesting aspect of

780
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Speaker 4: this where we discover that, you know, each of these

781
00:41:51,520 --> 00:41:53,800
Speaker 4: people is actually just the Kang from a different reality

782
00:41:53,880 --> 00:41:56,320
Speaker 4: who became that hero. You never know, like Kang works

783
00:41:56,320 --> 00:42:01,120
Speaker 4: in mysterious ways, but to have this huge multiverse or

784
00:42:01,160 --> 00:42:04,680
Speaker 4: crisis just after meeting that he who remains version of

785
00:42:04,719 --> 00:42:08,200
Speaker 4: Kang who explains the multivuse, it seems like he's gonna

786
00:42:08,200 --> 00:42:11,239
Speaker 4: need to shop or maybe a Kang stinger showing like

787
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Speaker 4: how you said he was moving the pieces.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and then finally I just want to add that

789
00:42:16,440 --> 00:42:19,920
Speaker 1: when this trailer dropped, you know, many lots of people

790
00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:22,000
Speaker 1: were theoristing, I'm like, God, the illuminati, who's gonna be

791
00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:24,640
Speaker 1: in it? Who could we see what other cameras are

792
00:42:24,680 --> 00:42:26,640
Speaker 1: going to be? And then people some people were like

793
00:42:27,120 --> 00:42:29,960
Speaker 1: tweeting at me, I'll go to go to you know,

794
00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:33,600
Speaker 1: the Marvel Cinematic Universe leaks read it. And I just

795
00:42:33,640 --> 00:42:36,320
Speaker 1: want to say, for anybody that goes to the leaks reddit,

796
00:42:36,560 --> 00:42:37,440
Speaker 1: God bless you if.

797
00:42:37,520 --> 00:42:38,160
Speaker 4: You enjoy it.

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00:42:38,280 --> 00:42:41,399
Speaker 1: If that's the way you engage with this material, there's

799
00:42:41,480 --> 00:42:45,320
Speaker 1: nothing wrong with it. It's absolutely fine. The way I

800
00:42:45,400 --> 00:42:48,120
Speaker 1: engage with this material, and Rosie you're the same way

801
00:42:48,320 --> 00:42:50,880
Speaker 1: is I will never go to the Marvel leaks reddit.

802
00:42:51,280 --> 00:42:54,000
Speaker 1: For me, you know, it's like that line and heat.

803
00:42:54,320 --> 00:42:56,600
Speaker 1: For me, the action is the juice for me, The

804
00:42:56,600 --> 00:42:59,040
Speaker 1: theorizing is the juice. I love doing this. This is

805
00:42:59,120 --> 00:43:00,640
Speaker 1: what I've always loved to do. This is how I've

806
00:43:00,640 --> 00:43:03,480
Speaker 1: always talked about comics, being like, oh, who's gonna shut up?

807
00:43:03,480 --> 00:43:06,440
Speaker 1: What does this mean? This is what it's about for us.

808
00:43:06,480 --> 00:43:08,799
Speaker 4: It's really hard. It's hard to explain to people like

809
00:43:09,280 --> 00:43:11,400
Speaker 4: and this is why hopefully you listen. You know, you

810
00:43:11,440 --> 00:43:14,720
Speaker 4: don't want to be the people up till like midnight looking.

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Speaker 4: I had that poster on my phone. I'm taking screen grabs,

812
00:43:17,320 --> 00:43:19,640
Speaker 4: I'm circling it, I'm marking it up, I'm messaging it

813
00:43:19,640 --> 00:43:23,120
Speaker 4: to Jason. I'm like, I think this is fucking like cyclops, Like,

814
00:43:23,160 --> 00:43:25,600
Speaker 4: oh my god, is this Stripe's helmet? That stuff is

815
00:43:25,600 --> 00:43:28,040
Speaker 4: what we love and that's the way we interact with it,

816
00:43:28,080 --> 00:43:31,760
Speaker 4: because I think that's very much how comics makes you react,

817
00:43:31,920 --> 00:43:34,800
Speaker 4: because like, yeah, like if you go on my Twitter,

818
00:43:34,800 --> 00:43:37,960
Speaker 4: there's a me as Charlie Day like meme where I'm

819
00:43:38,000 --> 00:43:40,200
Speaker 4: just I mean, on an Instagram there's me as Charlie Day,

820
00:43:40,320 --> 00:43:43,200
Speaker 4: just like putting together all the kind of things. That's

821
00:43:43,239 --> 00:43:44,879
Speaker 4: what comics make you do because you don't know what's

822
00:43:44,880 --> 00:43:46,880
Speaker 4: gonna happen from one week to the next, so you're like,

823
00:43:46,920 --> 00:43:49,160
Speaker 4: oh my God, and this is an extended version of that.

824
00:43:49,239 --> 00:43:51,480
Speaker 4: So I think for us that's really the fun. But

825
00:43:51,520 --> 00:43:53,440
Speaker 4: you know what, if you like going into this like

826
00:43:53,560 --> 00:43:57,080
Speaker 4: no one ever, that's awesome, like live it up. But

827
00:43:57,320 --> 00:43:59,719
Speaker 4: sadly for you, you're you're gonna be here listening to

828
00:43:59,760 --> 00:44:02,040
Speaker 4: our outrageous theories and then if we get something right,

829
00:44:02,120 --> 00:44:03,320
Speaker 4: you will hear us celebrating.

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Speaker 1: That's correct. Now, for those of you who are thinking,

831
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Speaker 1: oh man, I can't wait. I'm getting into comics and

832
00:44:10,480 --> 00:44:12,480
Speaker 1: I want to read some stuff that maybe will get

833
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Speaker 1: me prepped for Multiverse of Madness, here's a short pull

834
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Speaker 1: list of some stuff that you can check out. Check

835
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Speaker 1: Out The Trial at bang Nita, which we mentioned next

836
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Speaker 1: ben Trialo Bagneto five issues. The explores again the impact

837
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Speaker 1: that Wanda has on the Marvel Comics universe. Check out

838
00:44:31,400 --> 00:44:33,879
Speaker 1: House of M, which is kind of like eight Core

839
00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:36,520
Speaker 1: issues but like lots of House of M tie in

840
00:44:36,600 --> 00:44:38,279
Speaker 1: issues if you want to go deep on it, which

841
00:44:38,320 --> 00:44:42,120
Speaker 1: is again want to cast a spell that causes mutants

842
00:44:42,120 --> 00:44:46,680
Speaker 1: to run the world. So check out the Illuminati comic,

843
00:44:46,960 --> 00:44:51,280
Speaker 1: which then became Jonathan Hickman's New Avengers comic, in which

844
00:44:51,840 --> 00:44:58,080
Speaker 1: the Illuminati struggle to save or six one six from

845
00:44:58,719 --> 00:45:02,200
Speaker 1: other realities that are physically crashing into it, threatening to

846
00:45:02,239 --> 00:45:05,640
Speaker 1: destroy it. If you want to know, you know, like

847
00:45:05,840 --> 00:45:07,520
Speaker 1: this isn't aside, but like one of the things we

848
00:45:07,520 --> 00:45:10,520
Speaker 1: were talking about is, like, you know, an easy criticism

849
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Speaker 1: of the Illuminati.

850
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Speaker 2: Is, oh, it's all guys, it's all the dudes.

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00:45:14,040 --> 00:45:16,680
Speaker 1: The fun thing about the Illuminati though, The fun thing

852
00:45:16,719 --> 00:45:18,920
Speaker 1: about it though, is that, yes, they are all guys

853
00:45:19,160 --> 00:45:20,640
Speaker 1: who want to keep a secret and think they know

854
00:45:20,640 --> 00:45:23,360
Speaker 1: better than everybody else. They fuck everything up to a

855
00:45:23,440 --> 00:45:26,800
Speaker 1: significant All they do is step on their own dicks

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00:45:26,880 --> 00:45:31,279
Speaker 1: constantly throughout the course. But check that out. So they

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Speaker 1: first appear in New Avengers seven Bendis's run with Steve

858
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Speaker 1: mcnivin doing the art, and then it goes into the

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Speaker 1: Illuminati series, which then becomes New Avengers. Check out. Gosh,

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Speaker 1: Marvel Zombies is a great one, really fun if you

861
00:45:46,840 --> 00:45:49,200
Speaker 1: like zombies and you like mart On him.

862
00:45:49,200 --> 00:45:51,680
Speaker 4: But there's like a frank and strange kind of zombie

863
00:45:51,719 --> 00:45:54,400
Speaker 4: strange that we see. I think the Young Avengers, the

864
00:45:54,480 --> 00:45:57,880
Speaker 4: Jamie McKelvey Karen Gillan era. If you want to know

865
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Speaker 4: about America, Chavez that's really like the place to go.

866
00:46:01,239 --> 00:46:04,320
Speaker 4: We talk about that book a lot. It's stunning. The

867
00:46:04,680 --> 00:46:07,799
Speaker 4: first Young Avengers run is really wonderful as well. But

868
00:46:07,920 --> 00:46:10,080
Speaker 4: this is the place to get to know America Shavis

869
00:46:10,120 --> 00:46:13,240
Speaker 4: in my opinion. She was first introduced in the twenty

870
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Speaker 4: eleven series Vengeance in the first issue by Joe Casey

871
00:46:15,920 --> 00:46:17,719
Speaker 4: and Nick Jogotta. So if you want to go there

872
00:46:17,719 --> 00:46:19,520
Speaker 4: to the source, you can learn a bit more about

873
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Speaker 4: the utopian parallel where she comes from. Schuma Gorath, if

874
00:46:23,640 --> 00:46:25,719
Speaker 4: you want to learn about him, there is not a

875
00:46:25,760 --> 00:46:28,719
Speaker 4: great collection yet, but I did write an article on

876
00:46:28,920 --> 00:46:31,000
Speaker 4: nerdist we can put it in the show now. We

877
00:46:31,040 --> 00:46:32,720
Speaker 4: can put it in the show notes. It lists every

878
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Speaker 4: single issues beginning with his first appearance in Marvel Premier,

879
00:46:35,920 --> 00:46:39,799
Speaker 4: going into kind of where we really get to know him,

880
00:46:39,800 --> 00:46:42,319
Speaker 4: because the funny thing about Schumograth is the first few

881
00:46:42,440 --> 00:46:45,200
Speaker 4: mentions were just the name. The name that led to

882
00:46:45,280 --> 00:46:46,880
Speaker 4: him not being in this movie because it was a

883
00:46:47,000 --> 00:46:50,319
Speaker 4: Robberie Holperm and yeah, and you can kind of go

884
00:46:50,360 --> 00:46:53,520
Speaker 4: through that journey of him and Strange, which I think

885
00:46:53,600 --> 00:46:57,200
Speaker 4: could be very important here because there's some early issues

886
00:46:57,239 --> 00:46:59,680
Speaker 4: where he's sort of saying to strange, like if you

887
00:46:59,719 --> 00:47:01,800
Speaker 4: fight me, you will become me, And it's kind of

888
00:47:01,840 --> 00:47:04,840
Speaker 4: that duality of like cosmic evil. So I think that

889
00:47:04,960 --> 00:47:07,319
Speaker 4: if you want to read Savage Land stuff, the best

890
00:47:07,320 --> 00:47:10,200
Speaker 4: thing to really do is to just read the the

891
00:47:10,360 --> 00:47:13,040
Speaker 4: Clermont Uncanny x Men stuff. And if you just put

892
00:47:13,040 --> 00:47:15,239
Speaker 4: claim on huonny x Men Savage Land, you will find it.

893
00:47:15,320 --> 00:47:18,000
Speaker 4: You will find what you will find. Yeah, that's a

894
00:47:18,040 --> 00:47:21,400
Speaker 4: lot of really rad comics that you can kind of

895
00:47:21,440 --> 00:47:23,840
Speaker 4: start on. I think that the I think House of

896
00:47:23,960 --> 00:47:26,560
Speaker 4: m and Trial of Magneto that Jason pointed out are

897
00:47:26,560 --> 00:47:29,200
Speaker 4: really like key and also Illuminati is fun. Like Bend

898
00:47:29,200 --> 00:47:31,160
Speaker 4: This was posting pictures from it when they appeared in

899
00:47:31,160 --> 00:47:32,839
Speaker 4: the trailer, so we know that is gonna be.

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Speaker 1: Key, That's gonna be it. That's gonna be it, and

901
00:47:35,280 --> 00:47:38,239
Speaker 1: again it is really fun. It recontextualizes a lot of

902
00:47:38,239 --> 00:47:41,840
Speaker 1: big events from the Marvel canon, including the Crease Scroll

903
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Speaker 1: War other stuff. I'm really excited for our next guest

904
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Speaker 1: in the Hive Mind section, Jason Manzucas is going to

905
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Speaker 1: join us. Welcome to the Hive Mind, where we dive

906
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Speaker 1: into a topic with the help of a guest. Today,

907
00:48:06,880 --> 00:48:10,319
Speaker 1: the topic is comics, how much we love them, what

908
00:48:10,400 --> 00:48:12,680
Speaker 1: we're reading, how we came to love them. And today

909
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Speaker 1: Rosie and I are joined by podcaster, actor, performer one

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Speaker 1: of the greatest Jason's currently alive in the world, The great,

911
00:48:21,239 --> 00:48:25,040
Speaker 1: the Wonderful Jason manzukis for another installment of the fan

912
00:48:25,120 --> 00:48:27,200
Speaker 1: favorite Comics Corner. Jason, how are you?

913
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Speaker 6: I am thrilled to be here, very excited. This is

914
00:48:30,719 --> 00:48:33,600
Speaker 6: one of my favorite segments of the show as a listener,

915
00:48:33,640 --> 00:48:35,360
Speaker 6: so I was delighted to be invited to be a

916
00:48:35,400 --> 00:48:36,120
Speaker 6: part of this one.

917
00:48:36,320 --> 00:48:39,880
Speaker 1: You're so sweet, Jason. Let's get let's get her into it. Like,

918
00:48:40,239 --> 00:48:41,960
Speaker 1: the first thing we want to talk about is what's

919
00:48:41,960 --> 00:48:45,520
Speaker 1: your origin story with comics? How did you get into comics?

920
00:48:45,600 --> 00:48:47,640
Speaker 1: What made you fall in love with the medium?

921
00:48:47,840 --> 00:48:49,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm trying to think.

922
00:48:49,200 --> 00:48:52,479
Speaker 6: I think I suspect my you know, I'm forty nine,

923
00:48:53,560 --> 00:48:56,280
Speaker 6: and I think my first exposure to comics was really

924
00:48:56,440 --> 00:49:00,600
Speaker 6: kind of spinner rack at the drug store. Of when

925
00:49:01,160 --> 00:49:06,000
Speaker 6: when you're running errands with your mom and you are

926
00:49:06,040 --> 00:49:08,759
Speaker 6: allowed to just kind of sit over by the magazine

927
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Speaker 6: rack and the spinner and there's a spinner rack with

928
00:49:10,880 --> 00:49:16,680
Speaker 6: comics on it. Spider Man was absolutely my introductory character,

929
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Speaker 6: the character that as a kid I was obsessed with,

930
00:49:21,600 --> 00:49:24,320
Speaker 6: and then as I kind of got a little bit older,

931
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Speaker 6: I got very heavily into I was.

932
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Speaker 3: I am the age of Claremont.

933
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Speaker 6: X Men, the number one so that for me and

934
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Speaker 6: I hit that hit me right at the right age,

935
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Speaker 6: So Claremont's X Men, and then especially new Mutants the

936
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Speaker 6: Bill sent kevinch Uh drawn new Mutants like that, like

937
00:49:45,520 --> 00:49:48,440
Speaker 6: the Demon Bear Saga, all that stuff that was like

938
00:49:48,640 --> 00:49:51,280
Speaker 6: right when I was like obsessed with comics.

939
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Speaker 3: Yeah, all of.

940
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Speaker 6: The Mojo Verse and all the kind of stuff, all

941
00:49:55,640 --> 00:49:58,200
Speaker 6: the kind of weird, wacky kind of X Men stuff

942
00:49:58,400 --> 00:50:03,160
Speaker 6: and and as, but like that really was like my

943
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Speaker 6: my comics reading was kind of rigid. You know, you

944
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Speaker 6: didn't have a lot of money, you didn't have a

945
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Speaker 6: lot of you couldn't the way I do now kind

946
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Speaker 6: of just spread it around and read a lot of

947
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Speaker 6: stuff and and or I didn't know to like follow

948
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Speaker 6: writers or artists that I liked. I just read X

949
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Speaker 6: Men and anything x Men. And then but like I

950
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Speaker 6: didn't read an Iron Man comic book, and probably probably

951
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Speaker 6: until I was like in my twenties or something like that.

952
00:50:25,800 --> 00:50:25,960
Speaker 3: You know.

953
00:50:27,160 --> 00:50:29,880
Speaker 6: And then in college there was a comics shop in

954
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Speaker 6: town and I would go and that was like one

955
00:50:31,560 --> 00:50:33,880
Speaker 6: of my first experiences with having like a poll list.

956
00:50:34,280 --> 00:50:36,080
Speaker 2: Oh wow, how did you get your first pull list?

957
00:50:36,120 --> 00:50:37,280
Speaker 1: You just like ask them.

958
00:50:37,480 --> 00:50:40,040
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, well, I said, you know, like they well

959
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Speaker 6: the guy told me about it. I think I was

960
00:50:41,719 --> 00:50:44,280
Speaker 6: coming in and buying the same comics, and he said,

961
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Speaker 6: we'll do a poll list for you, will set aside.

962
00:50:47,920 --> 00:50:49,839
Speaker 6: It seems like you read the X Men in this

963
00:50:49,960 --> 00:50:51,560
Speaker 6: and blah blah blah blah blah, and and I.

964
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Speaker 3: Was like, oh yeah.

965
00:50:53,360 --> 00:50:56,080
Speaker 6: And that was like, I don't know about for you guys,

966
00:50:56,160 --> 00:50:58,719
Speaker 6: but that seemed like I had been let in on

967
00:50:59,120 --> 00:50:59,800
Speaker 6: a secret.

968
00:51:00,239 --> 00:51:03,120
Speaker 4: Dude. I remember the first time I realized that, like

969
00:51:03,480 --> 00:51:05,640
Speaker 4: it was a subscription, but you didn't have to pay

970
00:51:05,760 --> 00:51:07,360
Speaker 4: up front. You could just be like, I want to

971
00:51:07,400 --> 00:51:09,799
Speaker 4: hold these comics and they were like okay, and then

972
00:51:09,880 --> 00:51:11,160
Speaker 4: you come in and you pay for them, and I

973
00:51:11,280 --> 00:51:13,880
Speaker 4: was like, Wow, what kind of wild life is this?

974
00:51:14,040 --> 00:51:16,279
Speaker 4: The pull list is magical. Me and Jason, we're always

975
00:51:16,320 --> 00:51:19,200
Speaker 4: telling people who listen, like, go out and get pull lists.

976
00:51:19,360 --> 00:51:20,920
Speaker 4: It's like a powerful feeling.

977
00:51:21,400 --> 00:51:24,759
Speaker 1: It's a great experience. My first experience with the pullist was.

978
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Speaker 1: I used to go to this place called Heroes World,

979
00:51:27,440 --> 00:51:31,720
Speaker 1: which on Long Island, which was actually, I later found

980
00:51:31,760 --> 00:51:36,400
Speaker 1: out was a chain of comics stores that was actually

981
00:51:36,480 --> 00:51:41,560
Speaker 1: like run by Marvel or used as a distributor by

982
00:51:41,800 --> 00:51:46,800
Speaker 1: Marvel directly. And that was where I first spent my

983
00:51:47,040 --> 00:51:49,440
Speaker 1: actual money on a comic for the first time, not

984
00:51:50,080 --> 00:51:53,000
Speaker 1: like convinced my mom to buy me something drug. Yeah,

985
00:51:53,160 --> 00:51:55,000
Speaker 1: I did the same thing. Every time I'd go to

986
00:51:55,080 --> 00:51:58,279
Speaker 1: the barber shop or the drug store, I would be like,

987
00:51:58,440 --> 00:52:00,320
Speaker 1: can I have that? It? Usually it would either be

988
00:52:00,480 --> 00:52:03,879
Speaker 1: like rom the Space Night Ye or g I Joe

989
00:52:04,120 --> 00:52:06,399
Speaker 1: something like that. But the first time I ever spent

990
00:52:06,480 --> 00:52:09,200
Speaker 1: my own money was in Heroes World at Uncanny X

991
00:52:09,239 --> 00:52:12,960
Speaker 1: Men two twelve during the Mutant Masacer, and I very

992
00:52:13,080 --> 00:52:16,080
Speaker 1: quickly got into the polist world. From that I was

993
00:52:16,120 --> 00:52:20,600
Speaker 1: coming back. I was buying Uncanny X Men, Avengers, Daredevil

994
00:52:21,200 --> 00:52:24,880
Speaker 1: and you know, and the and the related X books

995
00:52:24,960 --> 00:52:28,440
Speaker 1: New Mutants X Force, and you know, it was the

996
00:52:28,480 --> 00:52:31,759
Speaker 1: same thing, like second or third week, the gentleman was like, hey,

997
00:52:32,120 --> 00:52:33,680
Speaker 1: you want to just put them down, put a pull list,

998
00:52:33,760 --> 00:52:35,960
Speaker 1: come in every Wednesday, and again I'm like yes, and

999
00:52:36,040 --> 00:52:38,560
Speaker 1: it was the same, you know, pre pre internet. As

1000
00:52:38,600 --> 00:52:41,040
Speaker 1: a guy in my forties, it felt like you had

1001
00:52:41,120 --> 00:52:45,040
Speaker 1: been let into some some realm where now you're part

1002
00:52:45,120 --> 00:52:46,520
Speaker 1: of the community and you get.

1003
00:52:46,400 --> 00:52:48,960
Speaker 6: There's a secret thing, you know, like you get to

1004
00:52:49,080 --> 00:52:51,719
Speaker 6: be like they they like now know you, and they're like,

1005
00:52:51,800 --> 00:52:53,080
Speaker 6: do you want to do the You know you can

1006
00:52:53,160 --> 00:52:55,680
Speaker 6: do this, and it felt like so exciting.

1007
00:52:55,920 --> 00:52:57,840
Speaker 1: Rosie, what was what was your first when I was

1008
00:52:57,880 --> 00:52:58,160
Speaker 1: a kid.

1009
00:52:58,239 --> 00:53:01,239
Speaker 4: I'm from London and so we didn't I never really

1010
00:53:01,280 --> 00:53:04,560
Speaker 4: had the drug store kind of spinner experience which I

1011
00:53:04,680 --> 00:53:09,320
Speaker 4: hear about so wonderfully here the North American pre direct

1012
00:53:09,440 --> 00:53:12,640
Speaker 4: market comics world. But the first place I ever bought

1013
00:53:12,680 --> 00:53:15,800
Speaker 4: comics from was just the news agents like a bodega basically,

1014
00:53:16,400 --> 00:53:17,759
Speaker 4: and they would just have them on the site and

1015
00:53:17,840 --> 00:53:20,160
Speaker 4: it was always X Men. And it was really funny

1016
00:53:20,200 --> 00:53:23,680
Speaker 4: because it was like my experience of buying X Men

1017
00:53:23,840 --> 00:53:26,320
Speaker 4: was like some of them were like old and this

1018
00:53:26,520 --> 00:53:28,359
Speaker 4: was in like the early nineties, so some of them

1019
00:53:28,400 --> 00:53:32,000
Speaker 4: were like proper he'd just randomly have like uncanny issues,

1020
00:53:32,040 --> 00:53:35,680
Speaker 4: and then some of them were like crazy nineties holographic

1021
00:53:35,840 --> 00:53:40,040
Speaker 4: cover like everything just and I just add that was

1022
00:53:40,120 --> 00:53:42,360
Speaker 4: like my absolute fave, and like I lived in this

1023
00:53:42,480 --> 00:53:44,480
Speaker 4: area called Hackney, and it was like we didn't have

1024
00:53:44,520 --> 00:53:46,120
Speaker 4: a car. It was like a forty five minute to

1025
00:53:46,160 --> 00:53:49,200
Speaker 4: an hour bus ride to central London where Forbidden Planet was.

1026
00:53:49,760 --> 00:53:52,239
Speaker 4: And so once I saw twice a year we would

1027
00:53:52,239 --> 00:53:53,560
Speaker 4: get to go there and I could go through the

1028
00:53:53,640 --> 00:53:56,319
Speaker 4: back issue bins, I could pick them out. I could

1029
00:53:56,360 --> 00:54:00,080
Speaker 4: buy the weird discount manga and stuff like that. And

1030
00:54:00,719 --> 00:54:03,920
Speaker 4: that to me, the old Forbidden Planet in London, the

1031
00:54:04,080 --> 00:54:06,480
Speaker 4: back of it used to be just this circle of

1032
00:54:06,560 --> 00:54:09,000
Speaker 4: back issue bins, but it was huge, like and I

1033
00:54:09,040 --> 00:54:09,920
Speaker 4: would just be in there.

1034
00:54:10,200 --> 00:54:12,480
Speaker 1: Oh my god. I love the back issue bins and.

1035
00:54:13,000 --> 00:54:17,000
Speaker 6: That idea of wasting time in a comics shop digging

1036
00:54:17,120 --> 00:54:23,520
Speaker 6: through long boxes and for me also simultaneously killing hours

1037
00:54:24,000 --> 00:54:27,800
Speaker 6: in a record store used record store digging through record bins.

1038
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Speaker 6: Like for me living in New York City in like

1039
00:54:30,280 --> 00:54:34,160
Speaker 6: the late nineties, early two thousands, you know, I be

1040
00:54:34,239 --> 00:54:36,560
Speaker 6: getting done with my shitty day job and I was

1041
00:54:36,600 --> 00:54:38,719
Speaker 6: going to do comedy later that night, and I.

1042
00:54:38,920 --> 00:54:40,719
Speaker 3: Just have hours to kill. Yep.

1043
00:54:40,960 --> 00:54:43,400
Speaker 6: It was record stores and comics shops and it was

1044
00:54:43,520 --> 00:54:45,520
Speaker 6: just sifting through old stuff.

1045
00:54:45,640 --> 00:54:46,359
Speaker 3: It was the best.

1046
00:54:46,960 --> 00:54:50,400
Speaker 1: So since we're all X Men fans here, like, what

1047
00:54:50,600 --> 00:54:52,200
Speaker 1: was it that made you fall in love with that team?

1048
00:54:52,360 --> 00:54:54,960
Speaker 1: You know, the X Men obviously are very much in

1049
00:54:55,160 --> 00:54:58,440
Speaker 1: the zeitgeist right now. Considering that we can all assume

1050
00:54:58,520 --> 00:55:02,320
Speaker 1: that Charles Xavier speaks in the in the Doctor Street.

1051
00:55:03,680 --> 00:55:05,960
Speaker 3: That seems unquestionable at this point.

1052
00:55:06,120 --> 00:55:08,120
Speaker 1: It's right, right, it's him. I mean, it's him. It's

1053
00:55:08,200 --> 00:55:12,120
Speaker 1: a bald guy who sounds a lot like Patrick's Stewart.

1054
00:55:12,200 --> 00:55:12,520
Speaker 3: It's him.

1055
00:55:14,120 --> 00:55:16,800
Speaker 1: So what was it that grabbed you? Because that was

1056
00:55:16,880 --> 00:55:19,200
Speaker 1: the team that grabbed my heart? And I had read

1057
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Speaker 1: my cousin's comics at that so, so I'd read Avengers,

1058
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Speaker 1: I'd read a lot of Iron Man, I read a

1059
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Speaker 1: lot of Hulk. I was familiar with a lot of

1060
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Speaker 1: the specifically the Marvel Universe stuff. But it was the

1061
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Speaker 1: X Men that I grabbed to. What was it about

1062
00:55:31,880 --> 00:55:33,600
Speaker 1: the X Men that grabbed you, Jason.

1063
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Speaker 6: I think it's twofold for me. I think there was

1064
00:55:35,680 --> 00:55:39,440
Speaker 6: an otherness to them, like that they were underdogs. They

1065
00:55:39,480 --> 00:55:42,719
Speaker 6: were they were a team of people, the Mutants were,

1066
00:55:43,480 --> 00:55:45,799
Speaker 6: you know, society didn't like them.

1067
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Speaker 3: They were underdogs.

1068
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Speaker 6: They were they were, and it was it was I

1069
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Speaker 6: think simultaneously they were othered in that way that I

1070
00:55:52,239 --> 00:55:55,040
Speaker 6: kind of glombed onto. And the other thing that really

1071
00:55:55,160 --> 00:55:58,879
Speaker 6: hit me was for besides Spider Man, who I would

1072
00:55:59,080 --> 00:56:01,640
Speaker 6: who I loved, they very much were like there were

1073
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Speaker 6: it was a school, and there were people my age

1074
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Speaker 6: on the team and so and that's why I think

1075
00:56:07,000 --> 00:56:11,640
Speaker 6: I especially once New Mutant, once a team happened of teenagers.

1076
00:56:12,239 --> 00:56:14,080
Speaker 6: It was my favorite book, you know, it was my

1077
00:56:14,239 --> 00:56:17,320
Speaker 6: absolute favorite book. So I think it was like I

1078
00:56:17,760 --> 00:56:21,279
Speaker 6: saw like a little bit of like myself in all

1079
00:56:21,400 --> 00:56:23,920
Speaker 6: of it. You know, there was like cause what X

1080
00:56:24,000 --> 00:56:27,800
Speaker 6: Men would do so expertly is do something that I

1081
00:56:27,840 --> 00:56:30,839
Speaker 6: would later love in shows like Buffy, The Vampires Layer

1082
00:56:30,920 --> 00:56:33,160
Speaker 6: or stuff like that, which is they would be telling

1083
00:56:33,239 --> 00:56:36,880
Speaker 6: you these large, huge stories of you know, you know,

1084
00:56:37,520 --> 00:56:40,719
Speaker 6: world shattering import and the X Men would have to

1085
00:56:40,840 --> 00:56:43,320
Speaker 6: kind of combat the Sentinels and all this stuff. But

1086
00:56:43,360 --> 00:56:47,200
Speaker 6: there would also be like high school dramas playing out.

1087
00:56:47,239 --> 00:56:50,719
Speaker 6: There would also be teen romances playing out, and all

1088
00:56:50,840 --> 00:56:55,400
Speaker 6: of that was for me like like completely what I

1089
00:56:55,520 --> 00:56:58,960
Speaker 6: wanted to All I wanted was to be going through

1090
00:56:59,040 --> 00:57:01,320
Speaker 6: puberty and that that's that one.

1091
00:57:01,200 --> 00:57:06,279
Speaker 3: Of my that my mutant power was about. That's the

1092
00:57:06,400 --> 00:57:08,480
Speaker 3: dream what is it going to be?

1093
00:57:08,600 --> 00:57:11,160
Speaker 6: Because that was the amazing thing about Mutants was that

1094
00:57:11,280 --> 00:57:15,000
Speaker 6: it came at puberty, and so I felt like it's

1095
00:57:15,280 --> 00:57:16,280
Speaker 6: happening soon.

1096
00:57:16,640 --> 00:57:18,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, it's what will it be? Yeah?

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00:57:18,960 --> 00:57:21,120
Speaker 4: I think like you touched on something that definitely was

1098
00:57:21,160 --> 00:57:23,320
Speaker 4: the thing for me. It was like that Run and

1099
00:57:23,360 --> 00:57:26,320
Speaker 4: the Next Men in general, Like they definitely established a

1100
00:57:26,360 --> 00:57:29,040
Speaker 4: lot of the tropes that I would realize I loved

1101
00:57:29,120 --> 00:57:31,560
Speaker 4: as I move forward, because like for me, the school aspect,

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00:57:31,680 --> 00:57:33,800
Speaker 4: the found family aspect, I think that was what I

1103
00:57:33,880 --> 00:57:37,080
Speaker 4: really liked. I loved this idea that all these different

1104
00:57:37,080 --> 00:57:39,720
Speaker 4: people could meet and be put in this unbelievable situation

1105
00:57:40,040 --> 00:57:42,600
Speaker 4: and they just like became friends or they.

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00:57:42,560 --> 00:57:45,120
Speaker 6: Like And also a school of kids and I don't

1107
00:57:45,120 --> 00:57:46,640
Speaker 6: know how you guys felt, but a school of kids

1108
00:57:46,680 --> 00:57:47,760
Speaker 6: who are just like me.

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00:57:48,200 --> 00:57:51,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, god, I mean, you know, it's it's so funny.

1110
00:57:51,920 --> 00:57:55,560
Speaker 4: It's essentially like I was talking to this author Seana MacGuire,

1111
00:57:55,560 --> 00:57:58,880
Speaker 4: who writes these unbelievable portal fantasy books for tour dot

1112
00:57:58,920 --> 00:58:01,400
Speaker 4: Com called every Doorway is the first one, and she

1113
00:58:01,560 --> 00:58:04,280
Speaker 4: said to me, she said, x Men is basically just

1114
00:58:04,640 --> 00:58:09,040
Speaker 4: a British boarding school story, but like with superheroes. And

1115
00:58:09,120 --> 00:58:10,800
Speaker 4: I was like, oh my god, it's so true. Like

1116
00:58:10,960 --> 00:58:13,240
Speaker 4: that's why when you think about like X Men, Yeah,

1117
00:58:13,320 --> 00:58:14,720
Speaker 4: and people say to you, like, what do you love

1118
00:58:14,760 --> 00:58:16,800
Speaker 4: about them? Obviously you love the Demon band, you love

1119
00:58:16,800 --> 00:58:18,400
Speaker 4: the wind stuff, but you're like, I love it when

1120
00:58:18,400 --> 00:58:19,240
Speaker 4: they play baseball.

1121
00:58:19,880 --> 00:58:20,760
Speaker 3: I love it exactly.

1122
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Speaker 6: Oh, that's at the end of an arc, you know,

1123
00:58:24,320 --> 00:58:27,240
Speaker 6: once the thing is done, once the big battle has happened,

1124
00:58:27,240 --> 00:58:30,120
Speaker 6: there's always an issue where they're playing baseball or they're

1125
00:58:30,160 --> 00:58:32,120
Speaker 6: having a barbecue, and it's great.

1126
00:58:32,800 --> 00:58:35,200
Speaker 1: Yeah. For me, it was very, very much in the

1127
00:58:35,280 --> 00:58:37,080
Speaker 1: vein of what you both are talking about. Listen, if

1128
00:58:37,120 --> 00:58:40,320
Speaker 1: you like comics, the commic nerds are run the world now,

1129
00:58:40,840 --> 00:58:44,000
Speaker 1: but this is a very recent development, and I think

1130
00:58:44,320 --> 00:58:47,840
Speaker 1: you know, there is a certain feeling that you have

1131
00:58:48,600 --> 00:58:52,320
Speaker 1: about you know, are you in step with life or

1132
00:58:52,360 --> 00:58:55,080
Speaker 1: do you feel accepted by the kids at school? Do

1133
00:58:55,200 --> 00:58:58,560
Speaker 1: you feel cool? Are you looking for that thing that

1134
00:58:58,680 --> 00:59:02,080
Speaker 1: you're good at? And when I was having those feelings

1135
00:59:02,200 --> 00:59:07,320
Speaker 1: is exactly when I hit the meat of the X Men,

1136
00:59:07,920 --> 00:59:09,840
Speaker 1: the X Men run that I fell in love with,

1137
00:59:10,000 --> 00:59:12,280
Speaker 1: like Mutant massacre was it for me? Same thing with

1138
00:59:12,320 --> 00:59:16,400
Speaker 1: the New Mutants when that struggle to be to be

1139
00:59:16,520 --> 00:59:18,920
Speaker 1: good enough to be called up to the main X

1140
00:59:19,000 --> 00:59:24,200
Speaker 1: Men team. That constant drama that was really huge. I

1141
00:59:24,240 --> 00:59:26,400
Speaker 1: think as a kid, I was definitely looking for my

1142
00:59:26,600 --> 00:59:29,960
Speaker 1: place in the world and to connect with a team

1143
00:59:30,080 --> 00:59:34,680
Speaker 1: of you know, these aren't the cool heroes. Nobody likes them,

1144
00:59:34,800 --> 00:59:38,120
Speaker 1: even you know, the Avengers kind of don't trust them.

1145
00:59:38,200 --> 00:59:41,560
Speaker 1: Despite the fact that there's been multiple X X Men,

1146
00:59:41,920 --> 00:59:43,720
Speaker 1: x x Men and Mutants that have been on the

1147
00:59:43,760 --> 00:59:46,320
Speaker 1: Avengers team, they're kind of like distrusted. Not to mention

1148
00:59:46,480 --> 00:59:49,440
Speaker 1: that the Avengers as like a de facto arm of

1149
00:59:49,560 --> 00:59:53,160
Speaker 1: the government, you could argue, have been like quietly complicent

1150
00:59:53,200 --> 00:59:55,920
Speaker 1: a lot of the bad stuff that's happened to the Mutants,

1151
00:59:56,000 --> 00:59:58,040
Speaker 1: and I just like big time connected with them. And

1152
00:59:58,160 --> 01:00:02,720
Speaker 1: then the soap opera aspect can't be underrated. Like I

1153
01:00:02,960 --> 01:00:07,240
Speaker 1: was so embarrassingly invested in the romance between like Rogue

1154
01:00:07,240 --> 01:00:12,640
Speaker 1: and Gambit Gambit. I fucking don't like Gambit and I

1155
01:00:12,880 --> 01:00:18,480
Speaker 1: hate I hate Gambit. I was so unbelievably invested in

1156
01:00:18,600 --> 01:00:19,240
Speaker 1: that romance.

1157
01:00:19,320 --> 01:00:20,720
Speaker 2: I cannot tell you it was.

1158
01:00:21,160 --> 01:00:26,160
Speaker 1: It was fucking embarrassing, dude, Like I just wanted the

1159
01:00:26,320 --> 01:00:28,720
Speaker 1: best for them, I know, and now it was sick.

1160
01:00:28,840 --> 01:00:31,040
Speaker 4: Now you realize you're like, oh, Gambit, like he's a

1161
01:00:31,120 --> 01:00:36,919
Speaker 4: fucking creep, Like he's really old. Like great, Uh, there's

1162
01:00:36,960 --> 01:00:40,920
Speaker 4: this great X Men mini series by Michael Walsh, this

1163
01:00:41,120 --> 01:00:44,320
Speaker 4: unbelievable host and Max Bemis called worst x Men Ever,

1164
01:00:44,440 --> 01:00:47,240
Speaker 4: And it's like about this kid who has It's so good.

1165
01:00:47,360 --> 01:00:49,600
Speaker 4: It plays into everything we love. But the whole there's

1166
01:00:49,640 --> 01:00:52,280
Speaker 4: a there's a through line through that of these writers

1167
01:00:52,320 --> 01:00:55,880
Speaker 4: who grew up on these stories like us and the story,

1168
01:00:56,120 --> 01:00:57,920
Speaker 4: like the through line of Gambit is he just always

1169
01:00:58,000 --> 01:01:03,080
Speaker 4: has like a young girlfriend and everyone. It kind of

1170
01:01:03,160 --> 01:01:05,320
Speaker 4: blows my mind when we're talking about this stuff, Like

1171
01:01:05,640 --> 01:01:08,080
Speaker 4: you were talking about the romance the people who are

1172
01:01:08,120 --> 01:01:10,800
Speaker 4: creating X Men now, like they are the same, they're

1173
01:01:10,840 --> 01:01:13,880
Speaker 4: our generation, right, so like you have, there's a reason

1174
01:01:14,080 --> 01:01:18,840
Speaker 4: that there is like sexual tension and romance between like Scott,

1175
01:01:19,480 --> 01:01:24,000
Speaker 4: Jene and Wolverine in these what we saw, we were like,

1176
01:01:24,200 --> 01:01:29,360
Speaker 4: that is so important. Weird, these weird kind of love

1177
01:01:29,680 --> 01:01:33,400
Speaker 4: interests and these kind of intergenerational stories like when you're

1178
01:01:33,400 --> 01:01:35,520
Speaker 4: a kid, you don't really get you either get to

1179
01:01:35,520 --> 01:01:38,640
Speaker 4: see stories about kids or stories about adults. You don't

1180
01:01:38,680 --> 01:01:40,640
Speaker 4: really get to live in a world where there are

1181
01:01:40,680 --> 01:01:43,440
Speaker 4: adults who are actually useful, but there are also adults

1182
01:01:43,480 --> 01:01:45,920
Speaker 4: who are bad, and those adults treat the kids with

1183
01:01:46,080 --> 01:01:48,479
Speaker 4: a certain level of respect or equality that you don't

1184
01:01:48,480 --> 01:01:50,760
Speaker 4: really get. So I just think there's, yeah, there's just

1185
01:01:50,880 --> 01:01:53,000
Speaker 4: so much in it that is just such a joy.

1186
01:01:53,120 --> 01:01:56,640
Speaker 4: And I love meeting other people who that for them

1187
01:01:56,760 --> 01:01:58,000
Speaker 4: was the most foundational thing.

1188
01:01:58,200 --> 01:02:01,200
Speaker 3: Oh. Absolutely, those are the stories. Those are you know,

1189
01:02:01,360 --> 01:02:02,280
Speaker 3: those are my stories.

1190
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Speaker 6: I didn't grow up with Harry Potter or you know,

1191
01:02:06,120 --> 01:02:09,000
Speaker 6: I guess you know, we had, like, you know, the

1192
01:02:09,680 --> 01:02:12,320
Speaker 6: Chronicles of Narnia. I guess was as close as we got,

1193
01:02:12,440 --> 01:02:15,240
Speaker 6: you know, but those weren't interesting to me. I love

1194
01:02:15,560 --> 01:02:18,520
Speaker 6: these characters and these stories, and they were so foundational

1195
01:02:18,600 --> 01:02:18,760
Speaker 6: to me.

1196
01:02:19,800 --> 01:02:23,320
Speaker 2: Okay, what is everybody reading right now that they are

1197
01:02:23,760 --> 01:02:24,720
Speaker 2: excited about?

1198
01:02:25,120 --> 01:02:25,440
Speaker 4: This is?

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Speaker 1: This is one of my favorite topics. Whenever I meet

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01:02:29,200 --> 01:02:30,720
Speaker 1: other comics fans, like, what are you reading? What are

1201
01:02:30,720 --> 01:02:34,240
Speaker 1: you reading? I'm always asking that the people at my

1202
01:02:34,400 --> 01:02:36,680
Speaker 1: local comic shop, what are you reading? What's good? What's

1203
01:02:36,800 --> 01:02:37,480
Speaker 1: what's out right now?

1204
01:02:37,640 --> 01:02:38,080
Speaker 3: What's good?

1205
01:02:38,400 --> 01:02:38,720
Speaker 1: Jason?

1206
01:02:38,720 --> 01:02:40,680
Speaker 2: What are you reading right now that you are super

1207
01:02:40,760 --> 01:02:41,320
Speaker 2: excited about?

1208
01:02:41,720 --> 01:02:44,520
Speaker 6: You know, I've got like I've got I'm I'm like,

1209
01:02:44,600 --> 01:02:48,160
Speaker 6: I've got two of my lists open because I write

1210
01:02:48,200 --> 01:02:51,480
Speaker 6: down everything that I watch, everything I read, everything I

1211
01:02:51,560 --> 01:02:53,160
Speaker 6: listen to. So I've got that open, and I made

1212
01:02:53,240 --> 01:02:56,360
Speaker 6: like a smaller list to talk about today. I'm assuming

1213
01:02:56,440 --> 01:03:00,200
Speaker 6: we're all a thrill that Saga is back. Yes, you know,

1214
01:03:00,400 --> 01:03:04,320
Speaker 6: and you know there's you know, we can't talk about

1215
01:03:04,320 --> 01:03:06,880
Speaker 6: it all that much. There's only been one issue so great,

1216
01:03:06,920 --> 01:03:10,640
Speaker 6: but boy, am I thrilled that one of my favorite

1217
01:03:10,720 --> 01:03:14,520
Speaker 6: ongoing comic series is back, and I'm excited to see where,

1218
01:03:15,120 --> 01:03:17,120
Speaker 6: you know, where we go in the next hundred and

1219
01:03:17,200 --> 01:03:19,800
Speaker 6: some odd issues that we have left. You know, I'm

1220
01:03:19,800 --> 01:03:20,920
Speaker 6: going to enjoy every minute of it.

1221
01:03:21,280 --> 01:03:24,960
Speaker 1: Saga gave me the latest issue that, after coming back

1222
01:03:25,000 --> 01:03:27,960
Speaker 1: after three years off, gave me a feeling that I

1223
01:03:28,480 --> 01:03:33,920
Speaker 1: cherish in storytelling, which is a hatred. I hate the

1224
01:03:34,040 --> 01:03:36,160
Speaker 1: Will so fucking much.

1225
01:03:36,720 --> 01:03:37,680
Speaker 4: I like.

1226
01:03:38,000 --> 01:03:42,560
Speaker 3: I hate seeing him pass Marco's skull. I lost my mind.

1227
01:03:42,680 --> 01:03:47,000
Speaker 1: I hate seeing him prosper I hate seeing him back

1228
01:03:47,120 --> 01:03:50,560
Speaker 1: in shape and looking good. I hate I hate that

1229
01:03:50,720 --> 01:03:54,479
Speaker 1: his bounty hunter lance and all his stuff works again.

1230
01:03:54,600 --> 01:03:56,560
Speaker 2: I hate that he got laid in that issue.

1231
01:03:57,040 --> 01:03:58,960
Speaker 1: I fucking hate him so much. I hate him.

1232
01:03:58,960 --> 01:04:00,680
Speaker 2: I hate him, I hate him, and I love that feeling.

1233
01:04:01,040 --> 01:04:04,400
Speaker 1: I want nothing and also like I just I love I.

1234
01:04:04,440 --> 01:04:06,680
Speaker 4: Said this before about this issue, but like I know,

1235
01:04:06,880 --> 01:04:08,640
Speaker 4: if you have not read Saga, you're like, what are

1236
01:04:08,640 --> 01:04:10,919
Speaker 4: you guys talking about? But I promise you the most

1237
01:04:11,040 --> 01:04:13,200
Speaker 4: magical thing about this issue is you can read it

1238
01:04:13,360 --> 01:04:15,320
Speaker 4: and have never read an issue of Saga, and you

1239
01:04:15,360 --> 01:04:17,280
Speaker 4: will just want to know what's going on. It is

1240
01:04:17,480 --> 01:04:20,240
Speaker 4: such a brilliant it's a brilliant return and if you

1241
01:04:20,520 --> 01:04:23,520
Speaker 4: if you've been waiting for Brian and Fiona to come back,

1242
01:04:23,560 --> 01:04:25,720
Speaker 4: and like the way Fiona does that sex scene, it's

1243
01:04:25,840 --> 01:04:28,520
Speaker 4: just so brilliant. But like it's like one of the

1244
01:04:28,560 --> 01:04:31,520
Speaker 4: best sexiest comics in the world. But it's also a

1245
01:04:31,680 --> 01:04:34,400
Speaker 4: brilliant jumping on point. You get a new in character

1246
01:04:34,560 --> 01:04:36,640
Speaker 4: voice who you can follow along with, You get to

1247
01:04:36,760 --> 01:04:39,720
Speaker 4: meet all these really engaging characters. It's a super sized issue.

1248
01:04:39,920 --> 01:04:41,720
Speaker 4: So then if you just want to go out and

1249
01:04:42,080 --> 01:04:44,760
Speaker 4: buy Saga fifty five, you can. You can, and then

1250
01:04:44,800 --> 01:04:46,160
Speaker 4: you can just go back and read it from the

1251
01:04:46,200 --> 01:04:48,000
Speaker 4: beginning and learn how you got there. And I think

1252
01:04:48,040 --> 01:04:50,120
Speaker 4: that is such a hard balance to grasp.

1253
01:04:50,240 --> 01:04:53,080
Speaker 6: Like, it's just it's an incredible trick that they've created

1254
01:04:53,400 --> 01:04:57,720
Speaker 6: in a very heavily serialized story, a new jumping on point,

1255
01:04:58,160 --> 01:04:59,880
Speaker 6: and that is really hard to do.

1256
01:05:00,280 --> 01:05:00,480
Speaker 3: You know.

1257
01:05:00,720 --> 01:05:04,360
Speaker 6: I was gonna say, one of my favorite writers working

1258
01:05:04,440 --> 01:05:08,960
Speaker 6: today in comics is Mark Russell, and who's doing like

1259
01:05:09,240 --> 01:05:14,520
Speaker 6: incredible storytelling, social satire, you know, commentary on the world

1260
01:05:14,600 --> 01:05:15,080
Speaker 6: that we live in.

1261
01:05:15,400 --> 01:05:18,680
Speaker 3: He's doing it inside of books like the Flintstone.

1262
01:05:18,800 --> 01:05:21,200
Speaker 4: Flintstones is my favorite Mark Russell book and one of

1263
01:05:21,240 --> 01:05:23,720
Speaker 4: the best comics about gentrification ever to exist.

1264
01:05:23,880 --> 01:05:28,480
Speaker 6: It's unbelievable and Barney and Fred suffer from PTSD from

1265
01:05:28,560 --> 01:05:31,160
Speaker 6: a war that they fought in. When I tell you

1266
01:05:31,320 --> 01:05:33,480
Speaker 6: that one of the best comics of the last five

1267
01:05:33,560 --> 01:05:37,320
Speaker 6: years is a series of Flintstones books, it blows people's minds.

1268
01:05:38,000 --> 01:05:41,600
Speaker 6: The Snaggle Post book that he wrote Incredible Billionaire Island,

1269
01:05:41,600 --> 01:05:42,480
Speaker 6: I thought was really good.

1270
01:05:42,520 --> 01:05:44,320
Speaker 3: Anyway, he just finished a.

1271
01:05:45,880 --> 01:05:50,000
Speaker 6: Marvel run on Fantastic four Life Story, which is which

1272
01:05:50,040 --> 01:05:53,440
Speaker 6: I thoroughly enjoyed because it's again it's a self contained piece.

1273
01:05:53,720 --> 01:05:54,840
Speaker 3: They did one for Spider Man.

1274
01:05:55,200 --> 01:05:57,720
Speaker 6: Chipsidarski won for a Spider Man a couple of years ago,

1275
01:05:58,440 --> 01:06:00,400
Speaker 6: and this one I thought was great, and it's basically

1276
01:06:00,840 --> 01:06:05,200
Speaker 6: it allows for a retelling of a classic origin story

1277
01:06:05,640 --> 01:06:09,000
Speaker 6: as if it happened moving forward in time. So it

1278
01:06:09,120 --> 01:06:12,320
Speaker 6: allows for the for the for the Fantastic Four to

1279
01:06:12,520 --> 01:06:16,240
Speaker 6: start in the fifties and then grow into the two

1280
01:06:16,320 --> 01:06:19,880
Speaker 6: thousands and an age you know, stort because these are

1281
01:06:19,960 --> 01:06:22,800
Speaker 6: characters that never really age, you know, Marvel characters, they're

1282
01:06:22,800 --> 01:06:25,920
Speaker 6: always readbooting, they're always young, and so I just loved it.

1283
01:06:26,000 --> 01:06:28,200
Speaker 6: And it's a way for him to talk about these

1284
01:06:28,320 --> 01:06:30,280
Speaker 6: characters and this story, but it's also a way for

1285
01:06:30,600 --> 01:06:35,000
Speaker 6: him to talk about stuff that's going on contemporary society,

1286
01:06:35,120 --> 01:06:37,840
Speaker 6: you know, and talk about issues that people are facing,

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Speaker 6: you know. And each each issue is told from a

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Speaker 6: different character's point of view, So those are really interesting.

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Speaker 3: I really loved them.

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Speaker 6: The artist's name is Sean and I might not pronounce

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01:06:48,720 --> 01:06:53,040
Speaker 6: this right is Zatsky, who is gorgeous and this stuff

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01:06:53,120 --> 01:06:55,120
Speaker 6: is great And I loved that book and it just

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01:06:55,160 --> 01:06:55,600
Speaker 6: wrapped up.

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Speaker 3: It was only six issues. It was terrific.

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01:06:57,120 --> 01:07:01,520
Speaker 2: Wow, I'm currently buying the Mark Russell's Flintstone.

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01:07:01,600 --> 01:07:03,280
Speaker 1: It is holy shit trade paper.

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Speaker 4: It was coming out when I watch at the shop

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01:07:05,160 --> 01:07:07,040
Speaker 4: and we were just all like back in London and

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01:07:07,080 --> 01:07:07,480
Speaker 4: we were just.

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01:07:07,520 --> 01:07:10,280
Speaker 3: All like, what the fuck, it's next level?

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01:07:10,440 --> 01:07:13,439
Speaker 6: It makes no You're blown away that it's as good

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01:07:13,480 --> 01:07:15,200
Speaker 6: as it is, and it's the fucking flint Stone.

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01:07:15,240 --> 01:07:18,080
Speaker 4: It's like it's like the first thing that's really been

1304
01:07:18,200 --> 01:07:22,520
Speaker 4: reminiscent again in that like DC space of when Grant

1305
01:07:22,600 --> 01:07:25,280
Speaker 4: Morrison would take stuff on like Animal Man and you'd

1306
01:07:25,320 --> 01:07:27,800
Speaker 4: just be like, h what the fuck, Like this is

1307
01:07:27,880 --> 01:07:29,640
Speaker 4: what you this is where you went with it. So

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01:07:29,720 --> 01:07:31,880
Speaker 4: it's like, I love to see people taking advantage of

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01:07:31,920 --> 01:07:32,840
Speaker 4: those licenses.

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Speaker 6: Oh yeah, and he did it, you know what, he

1311
01:07:34,760 --> 01:07:37,000
Speaker 6: did it great. He did two other great runs on

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01:07:37,120 --> 01:07:42,360
Speaker 6: licensed properties. One was read Sonia and the other was

1313
01:07:42,400 --> 01:07:45,200
Speaker 6: The Lone Ranger. He does a great arc on The

1314
01:07:45,280 --> 01:07:48,760
Speaker 6: Loan Ranger that was terrific. And again these are characters.

1315
01:07:49,080 --> 01:07:52,080
Speaker 6: I sought out these books because Mark Russell was doing them,

1316
01:07:52,200 --> 01:07:55,400
Speaker 6: not because I have any I don't care about The

1317
01:07:55,480 --> 01:07:58,840
Speaker 6: Loan Ranger, you know, but it was a terrific story

1318
01:07:58,960 --> 01:08:01,840
Speaker 6: that he told, you know, same with red Sonia. That's

1319
01:08:01,880 --> 01:08:04,680
Speaker 6: what I like now is being able to follow these

1320
01:08:04,800 --> 01:08:08,680
Speaker 6: people through the twists and turns of them popping up

1321
01:08:08,720 --> 01:08:10,880
Speaker 6: here and there, and then having their own title or

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01:08:10,920 --> 01:08:12,280
Speaker 6: having their own book or whatever.

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Speaker 2: Rosie, what are you reading right now that you were accepted?

1324
01:08:15,200 --> 01:08:18,559
Speaker 4: Reading so much good stuff. The one thing I'm always

1325
01:08:18,640 --> 01:08:21,040
Speaker 4: shouting out that I love that this is I think

1326
01:08:21,080 --> 01:08:23,519
Speaker 4: the newest issue just came out, But like Nubia and

1327
01:08:23,560 --> 01:08:27,320
Speaker 4: the Amazons, which is this kind of it's Wonder Woman's sister.

1328
01:08:28,040 --> 01:08:32,640
Speaker 4: It's Stephanie Williams via Ayala Alitha Martinez, who's like an

1329
01:08:32,800 --> 01:08:36,880
Speaker 4: absolute comic book legend artist. So Black Creative Team just

1330
01:08:37,040 --> 01:08:40,160
Speaker 4: telling this most badass Demoscareen story. So if you like

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01:08:40,280 --> 01:08:43,080
Speaker 4: that like fantasy, it's a little bit swords and sorcery,

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01:08:43,120 --> 01:08:46,240
Speaker 4: but it's a little bit radical. It's really reimagining like

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01:08:46,760 --> 01:08:49,599
Speaker 4: what Wonder Woman and Themoscaa is. So I've been really

1334
01:08:49,680 --> 01:08:51,479
Speaker 4: digging on that and I love to see Aleitha on

1335
01:08:51,600 --> 01:08:55,400
Speaker 4: this like big, bad ass kind of ongoing story. So

1336
01:08:55,560 --> 01:09:00,559
Speaker 4: that's really fun. Another DC one is Nightwing, the new issue.

1337
01:09:01,479 --> 01:09:02,960
Speaker 4: I had to bring it because this is the one.

1338
01:09:03,000 --> 01:09:06,200
Speaker 4: So it's nighteen eighty seven and I'm showing the Jason's

1339
01:09:06,200 --> 01:09:12,640
Speaker 4: are very saucy cover right now. But this is the

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01:09:12,840 --> 01:09:14,720
Speaker 4: famous if you want to go to a comic shop

1341
01:09:14,760 --> 01:09:16,080
Speaker 4: and get this, You're gonna want to get it because

1342
01:09:16,080 --> 01:09:18,519
Speaker 4: these don't exist very often. This is Tom Taylor and

1343
01:09:18,560 --> 01:09:23,760
Speaker 4: Bruno Rodondo doing a one shot. The entire story is

1344
01:09:23,960 --> 01:09:29,200
Speaker 4: just one long, so every page leads on. I actually

1345
01:09:29,200 --> 01:09:31,680
Speaker 4: have two copies of it so that I can put

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01:09:31,720 --> 01:09:32,120
Speaker 4: it together.

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01:09:32,200 --> 01:09:32,880
Speaker 3: That's really cool.

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01:09:33,000 --> 01:09:34,920
Speaker 4: Can read it, so that's a really cool one that's

1349
01:09:35,000 --> 01:09:40,080
Speaker 4: going on. I read a lot of manga so that I'm.

1350
01:09:39,920 --> 01:09:43,719
Speaker 3: Reading that's a world that I am literally ignorant.

1351
01:09:43,840 --> 01:09:47,000
Speaker 4: It is having a poll list, ironically at my local

1352
01:09:47,080 --> 01:09:50,519
Speaker 4: comic shop, which is so wonderful. In Long Beach, POLP

1353
01:09:50,600 --> 01:09:53,080
Speaker 4: fiction totally badass. All the books are always at least

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01:09:53,080 --> 01:09:55,439
Speaker 4: twenty local comic.

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01:09:55,760 --> 01:09:58,320
Speaker 3: Mine is Secret Headquarters in Silver Lake.

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01:09:58,840 --> 01:10:01,640
Speaker 1: Also mine is also I love Secret head where I was.

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01:10:01,960 --> 01:10:05,479
Speaker 3: Where I was told that I have the largest police Yeah.

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01:10:07,720 --> 01:10:08,240
Speaker 4: Secret heck.

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01:10:08,360 --> 01:10:10,240
Speaker 3: I was like, wait what, I don't know if that's

1360
01:10:10,280 --> 01:10:10,880
Speaker 3: good or bad.

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Speaker 4: It's good Secret Headquarters. I have such a fond memory

1362
01:10:14,120 --> 01:10:16,479
Speaker 4: of that. The first time I ever came to LA

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Speaker 4: like years ago, when I was like twenty two or

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01:10:18,720 --> 01:10:22,280
Speaker 4: twenty three, I went in there and they had this

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01:10:23,000 --> 01:10:25,920
Speaker 4: signed Love and Rockets comic, which is like one of

1366
01:10:25,960 --> 01:10:28,040
Speaker 4: my all time favorite comics. It's a collection right by

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01:10:28,040 --> 01:10:30,360
Speaker 4: the Hernandez brothers and in the front it was signed

1368
01:10:30,400 --> 01:10:33,040
Speaker 4: by Hi May and I just freaked out and it

1369
01:10:33,120 --> 01:10:35,439
Speaker 4: was like ten dollars and the woman was like, you

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Speaker 4: know what, let me just go in the back. And

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01:10:37,120 --> 01:10:39,080
Speaker 4: she went in the back and I bought this ten

1372
01:10:39,160 --> 01:10:42,320
Speaker 4: dollar collection, like not even expensive at all. And she

1373
01:10:42,479 --> 01:10:44,640
Speaker 4: went in the back and got this signed Love and

1374
01:10:44,760 --> 01:10:48,760
Speaker 4: Rockets poster that they'd had since since the Hanandas Bros.

1375
01:10:48,800 --> 01:10:50,560
Speaker 4: Had done a signing there and she brought out and

1376
01:10:50,640 --> 01:10:52,439
Speaker 4: she's like, we were just waiting for the right person

1377
01:10:52,520 --> 01:10:54,479
Speaker 4: and she just gave it to me. And I would

1378
01:10:54,640 --> 01:10:56,200
Speaker 4: always go to that shop and I.

1379
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Speaker 3: Just it's a guarantee that was Julie who did.

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01:10:59,320 --> 01:11:02,320
Speaker 4: That just on yeh the best, Like I will never

1381
01:11:02,400 --> 01:11:04,679
Speaker 4: I love that shop. It's it's like far away from where,

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01:11:05,360 --> 01:11:07,280
Speaker 4: far away from La terms of where I live because

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01:11:07,280 --> 01:11:09,880
Speaker 4: I live so south, but like why anytime I'm there,

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01:11:09,920 --> 01:11:11,800
Speaker 4: I will go in that shop and I'll patronize that

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01:11:11,880 --> 01:11:14,000
Speaker 4: shop because that is just that's like one of my

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01:11:14,080 --> 01:11:15,439
Speaker 4: best ever comic book memories.

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Speaker 1: Shout out to Chris and Julie at Secret Headquarters, always

1388
01:11:19,680 --> 01:11:23,240
Speaker 1: great people to talk to always if you want or

1389
01:11:23,400 --> 01:11:26,120
Speaker 1: like if you're in the area and you're looking for

1390
01:11:26,200 --> 01:11:27,960
Speaker 1: a new comic you're not sure what to read, just

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01:11:28,040 --> 01:11:29,200
Speaker 1: talk to them about what's going on.

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01:11:29,360 --> 01:11:32,519
Speaker 3: Yeah, it is my favorite thing to do when in person.

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01:11:32,960 --> 01:11:34,640
Speaker 6: I will always say what should I be reading that

1394
01:11:34,720 --> 01:11:37,400
Speaker 6: I'm not reading, and I've been doing it over the pandemic.

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01:11:37,439 --> 01:11:40,320
Speaker 6: I'll just email them and be like, hey, please let

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01:11:40,360 --> 01:11:42,360
Speaker 6: me know if there's anything that I should be made

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01:11:42,360 --> 01:11:44,920
Speaker 6: aware of or anything I should be checking out, you know,

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01:11:45,120 --> 01:11:47,759
Speaker 6: just put it in my next kind of batch, because

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01:11:48,360 --> 01:11:49,760
Speaker 6: you know, it's been really one of the things in

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01:11:49,800 --> 01:11:51,599
Speaker 6: the pandemic has been really hurt is I've not been

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01:11:51,640 --> 01:11:54,400
Speaker 6: going to the shop other than to just pick up

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01:11:54,560 --> 01:11:54,760
Speaker 6: you know.

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01:11:55,120 --> 01:11:57,400
Speaker 4: No, it's such a community thing, like to be able

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01:11:57,479 --> 01:11:59,840
Speaker 4: to return like recently, like in the last couple of

1405
01:12:00,280 --> 01:12:02,360
Speaker 4: I've felt a bit more comfortable about like going in

1406
01:12:02,520 --> 01:12:05,120
Speaker 4: because like my Ryan and Annie who run Pop Fiction,

1407
01:12:05,200 --> 01:12:07,680
Speaker 4: are so wonderful. It's masks heavy and all that. To

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01:12:07,800 --> 01:12:10,000
Speaker 4: be able to have that little bit of community connection

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01:12:10,200 --> 01:12:12,320
Speaker 4: again and to ask in person and to not be

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01:12:12,400 --> 01:12:14,880
Speaker 4: doing your poll list online, it's it's really special. It's

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01:12:15,000 --> 01:12:17,559
Speaker 4: it's a great place for people like us who love

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01:12:17,600 --> 01:12:19,960
Speaker 4: this stuff and just love to talk about it. And like,

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01:12:20,240 --> 01:12:22,519
Speaker 4: what I didn't really realize till I moved to America

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01:12:22,560 --> 01:12:25,679
Speaker 4: and found pop fiction is like you can get books

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01:12:26,240 --> 01:12:30,559
Speaker 4: like like trade paperbacks and collections and manga in your

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01:12:30,640 --> 01:12:32,720
Speaker 4: poll lists. So now my poll list is, oh yeah,

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01:12:32,960 --> 01:12:38,120
Speaker 4: extensively expensive because basically I get my single issues and

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01:12:38,160 --> 01:12:40,880
Speaker 4: then just forever. That's another badass comic. Aaron Krudis art

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01:12:41,000 --> 01:12:42,400
Speaker 4: is like ten out of ten if you want to

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01:12:42,400 --> 01:12:45,080
Speaker 4: add something Marvel. But like most of my poll lists,

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Speaker 4: whatever I get it, it's just stacks of books. Now

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01:12:47,439 --> 01:12:50,320
Speaker 4: it's just a manga because like, so so there's this

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01:12:50,479 --> 01:12:53,439
Speaker 4: I will say. If you guys say there's I love manga,

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01:12:53,439 --> 01:12:56,120
Speaker 4: I could talk about all day. But there's one series

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01:12:56,200 --> 01:12:58,479
Speaker 4: right now where if you're not reading manga, I think

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01:12:58,560 --> 01:13:00,320
Speaker 4: anyone can read it and love it. And it's called

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Speaker 4: Mashall and it is it's so funny m A.

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Speaker 7: S h l E.

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Speaker 4: And it's Mashaal Magic and Muscles and it's from Viers

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01:13:11,439 --> 01:13:13,360
Speaker 4: and it's up to about five volumes now, but the

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01:13:13,439 --> 01:13:15,120
Speaker 4: first one is just like one of the best first

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01:13:15,160 --> 01:13:17,720
Speaker 4: volumes of anything I've ever read. And it's basically like

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01:13:17,840 --> 01:13:21,720
Speaker 4: a Harry Potter riff where it's about a kid. The

1434
01:13:21,800 --> 01:13:23,840
Speaker 4: thing is, it's like Harry Pop you know what, we

1435
01:13:24,200 --> 01:13:26,160
Speaker 4: can leave it in the past, so let's find this

1436
01:13:26,280 --> 01:13:29,400
Speaker 4: new version, which is this hilarious. It's like a kid

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01:13:29,840 --> 01:13:33,719
Speaker 4: who grows up in the shadow of a Hogwarts s school,

1438
01:13:33,920 --> 01:13:36,320
Speaker 4: but he can't do magic, but it's illegal to not

1439
01:13:36,439 --> 01:13:39,000
Speaker 4: do magic in the community, so he has to kind

1440
01:13:39,040 --> 01:13:41,400
Speaker 4: of stay hidden. But he's just really buff and he's

1441
01:13:41,479 --> 01:13:45,679
Speaker 4: like super superha and he spends all this time working

1442
01:13:45,760 --> 01:13:48,080
Speaker 4: out and essentially ends up in a situation where he

1443
01:13:48,200 --> 01:13:50,160
Speaker 4: has to go to the magic school to prove he

1444
01:13:50,240 --> 01:13:52,320
Speaker 4: can do magic, and he can't, and he just is

1445
01:13:52,360 --> 01:13:54,479
Speaker 4: a himbo who loves eating like cream puffs. But because

1446
01:13:54,520 --> 01:13:57,120
Speaker 4: he's so buff and strong, anytime anyone does any magic,

1447
01:13:57,160 --> 01:13:59,479
Speaker 4: he can just beat it with his muscles. And it

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01:13:59,600 --> 01:14:02,439
Speaker 4: is just like it's one of the funniest comics I've

1449
01:14:02,479 --> 01:14:04,160
Speaker 4: read in like a really long time.

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01:14:04,240 --> 01:14:05,920
Speaker 3: Oh that sounds great. Yeah, I'm going to get that.

1451
01:14:07,680 --> 01:14:10,479
Speaker 1: Let's say my pick. This is a Chris recommendation at

1452
01:14:10,560 --> 01:14:15,479
Speaker 1: a secret headquarters. It is a new Masters by Showbo

1453
01:14:15,640 --> 01:14:19,800
Speaker 1: Coker and Chove Coker, a Nigerian creative team and it

1454
01:14:19,920 --> 01:14:26,680
Speaker 1: is like a set in the twenty first century, kind

1455
01:14:26,680 --> 01:14:31,000
Speaker 1: of like an afro futurist techno scavenger story. Only one

1456
01:14:31,080 --> 01:14:33,759
Speaker 1: issue out right now, but the art and the writing

1457
01:14:33,920 --> 01:14:36,560
Speaker 1: is really fun. It was extremely taken in by it,

1458
01:14:36,840 --> 01:14:39,559
Speaker 1: and that is it. That's a great recommendation from Chris

1459
01:14:39,640 --> 01:14:42,400
Speaker 1: at Secret Headquarters. I'm reading The Good Asian.

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01:14:42,920 --> 01:14:45,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, so good, always good to shout. Every week we'll

1461
01:14:45,439 --> 01:14:46,160
Speaker 4: shout out that book.

1462
01:14:46,200 --> 01:14:49,080
Speaker 3: Maybe that book is so terrific. Yes, it's on my

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01:14:49,200 --> 01:14:49,760
Speaker 3: list as well.

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01:14:49,880 --> 01:14:55,360
Speaker 1: So it just if you like Noir, if you want

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01:14:55,439 --> 01:15:00,560
Speaker 1: to feel transported to an era of America through the

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01:15:00,680 --> 01:15:05,599
Speaker 1: lens of an Asian American detective. Real hard boiled story,

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01:15:06,000 --> 01:15:09,519
Speaker 1: beautiful art, great writing, check out The Good Asian. I

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01:15:09,560 --> 01:15:13,240
Speaker 1: think it's up to nine right now and extremely easy

1469
01:15:13,320 --> 01:15:14,760
Speaker 1: to catch up. You can catch up at any time.

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01:15:15,200 --> 01:15:16,840
Speaker 1: And then I don't know where this is going to go.

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01:15:17,280 --> 01:15:20,320
Speaker 1: And it's a super weird comic. But the good people

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01:15:20,479 --> 01:15:24,840
Speaker 1: that brought you Ecstatics are back, Peter Miller, lad Laura

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01:15:24,920 --> 01:15:29,120
Speaker 1: Alred with the excellent issue one, which I just picked up,

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01:15:29,200 --> 01:15:33,280
Speaker 1: and it's that same kind of wacky Is it canon?

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01:15:33,760 --> 01:15:33,920
Speaker 4: Right?

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01:15:34,479 --> 01:15:38,000
Speaker 1: Do we know if it's Canon who Cares like basically

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01:15:38,080 --> 01:15:43,519
Speaker 1: an offshoot team of mutants who are also celebrities, are

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01:15:43,680 --> 01:15:47,080
Speaker 1: struggling to make it through this crazy world in which

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01:15:47,800 --> 01:15:52,120
Speaker 1: they fight foes that are extremely deadly, to the point that,

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01:15:52,360 --> 01:15:56,200
Speaker 1: like the body count in the Ecstatics books was off

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01:15:56,240 --> 01:15:58,960
Speaker 1: the charts. I mean, the whole team at one point dies.

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01:15:59,520 --> 01:16:02,519
Speaker 1: So extremely happy to have them back. And you know,

1483
01:16:02,640 --> 01:16:06,920
Speaker 1: Michael Auered for me, is like the ultimate exponent of

1484
01:16:07,000 --> 01:16:10,280
Speaker 1: like that kind of like di y like punk zine

1485
01:16:10,600 --> 01:16:16,280
Speaker 1: art style but made palatable through the lens of comic books.

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01:16:16,400 --> 01:16:19,479
Speaker 1: Really excited to have it back. That's the stuff I'm reading.

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01:16:19,720 --> 01:16:21,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm excited for that too.

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01:16:21,080 --> 01:16:22,599
Speaker 6: The other thing that I was going to shout out

1489
01:16:22,840 --> 01:16:25,759
Speaker 6: was because I will also like follow artists or follow

1490
01:16:25,840 --> 01:16:29,560
Speaker 6: creators that I just adore throughout whatever. And one of

1491
01:16:29,600 --> 01:16:34,360
Speaker 6: those people is James Stoko, who has who has just

1492
01:16:34,560 --> 01:16:38,040
Speaker 6: an incredible art style and is one of these people

1493
01:16:38,080 --> 01:16:41,320
Speaker 6: who is who is writing and drawing and lettering all

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01:16:41,400 --> 01:16:43,880
Speaker 6: of his own books. And he has a new book

1495
01:16:43,960 --> 01:16:46,720
Speaker 6: right now called Orphan in the Five Beasts that is

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01:16:46,960 --> 01:16:51,240
Speaker 6: so sumptuous to dig into and so gorgeous to well

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01:16:51,439 --> 01:16:52,760
Speaker 6: to just like pour over.

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01:16:53,360 --> 01:16:55,519
Speaker 3: It is terrific and worth seeking out.

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Speaker 6: And if you if you like it and you like

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01:16:57,439 --> 01:17:00,880
Speaker 6: his style, seek out the Godzilla st the Godzilla book

1501
01:17:00,960 --> 01:17:02,080
Speaker 6: he did a couple of years ago.

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01:17:02,160 --> 01:17:03,800
Speaker 3: That is absolutely meant.

1503
01:17:04,200 --> 01:17:08,760
Speaker 4: It's the best Godzilla comic ever. Like I I adore it.

1504
01:17:08,920 --> 01:17:13,000
Speaker 4: It's it changed the lane of how you could tell

1505
01:17:13,040 --> 01:17:15,719
Speaker 4: those stories. There's it's it's silent, It's Godzilla.

1506
01:17:15,760 --> 01:17:16,519
Speaker 3: You know, it's it.

1507
01:17:16,760 --> 01:17:19,880
Speaker 4: And his art is unbelievable. There's this most comic shops

1508
01:17:19,880 --> 01:17:22,240
Speaker 4: will probably have a copy or can audio. There's this

1509
01:17:22,400 --> 01:17:27,080
Speaker 4: James Stoko art but called sobec that's just absolutely stunning.

1510
01:17:27,200 --> 01:17:30,479
Speaker 3: Like that is this one called grunt I believe as well.

1511
01:17:30,560 --> 01:17:34,439
Speaker 4: If you if you as a kid right liked where's

1512
01:17:34,640 --> 01:17:36,960
Speaker 4: Waldo or as English people call it, where's Wally and

1513
01:17:37,080 --> 01:17:37,960
Speaker 4: you love to look.

1514
01:17:37,840 --> 01:17:42,600
Speaker 3: At something interesting idea, you know that's.

1515
01:17:42,280 --> 01:17:42,920
Speaker 4: That's the case.

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01:17:43,200 --> 01:17:46,920
Speaker 6: I feel like that's because Waldo is British slang for something.

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01:17:47,200 --> 01:17:48,800
Speaker 6: I feel like they were like, well, we can't call

1518
01:17:48,840 --> 01:17:51,000
Speaker 6: it waldo because that's British slang for pins.

1519
01:17:51,080 --> 01:17:52,760
Speaker 4: I think people have just never heard of the name

1520
01:17:52,840 --> 01:17:55,360
Speaker 4: waldough when I came in England. When I came here,

1521
01:17:55,360 --> 01:17:57,559
Speaker 4: I was like what does It's called Waldough. I think

1522
01:17:57,600 --> 01:17:59,920
Speaker 4: the bad Guy even has like a different name as well.

1523
01:18:00,120 --> 01:18:02,920
Speaker 4: I can't remember, but if you James Stoker always reminds

1524
01:18:02,960 --> 01:18:04,320
Speaker 4: me of like if you were a kid and you

1525
01:18:04,520 --> 01:18:06,680
Speaker 4: like to go through and look at things intricately, and

1526
01:18:06,760 --> 01:18:08,760
Speaker 4: sometimes you read through a comic and you're like, that

1527
01:18:08,880 --> 01:18:10,800
Speaker 4: took me too quick. I want to be I want

1528
01:18:10,840 --> 01:18:13,040
Speaker 4: to be enough. James Stoko is the guy. You can

1529
01:18:13,160 --> 01:18:15,400
Speaker 4: read anything by him. You can even look at an

1530
01:18:15,920 --> 01:18:17,760
Speaker 4: art piece that he does on his Instagram and be

1531
01:18:17,840 --> 01:18:18,479
Speaker 4: there for hours.

1532
01:18:19,080 --> 01:18:21,760
Speaker 6: There's a Batman one shot that came out last year

1533
01:18:22,080 --> 01:18:25,880
Speaker 6: that he did that is absolutely incredible. There are those

1534
01:18:25,960 --> 01:18:29,080
Speaker 6: people like when Paul Pope did Batman Year one hundred

1535
01:18:29,080 --> 01:18:32,679
Speaker 6: where you're like, oh, this is a Batman I haven't seen,

1536
01:18:32,960 --> 01:18:36,800
Speaker 6: or the Batman Golden Child episode the issue that came

1537
01:18:36,800 --> 01:18:39,840
Speaker 6: out last year that Raphael Grandpa did, like that, this

1538
01:18:40,080 --> 01:18:42,640
Speaker 6: is like a take on Batman I've never seen and

1539
01:18:42,680 --> 01:18:43,160
Speaker 6: I love it.

1540
01:18:43,400 --> 01:18:45,479
Speaker 4: You know, that's actually such a good point. Like something

1541
01:18:45,520 --> 01:18:48,040
Speaker 4: I think I love so much about comics that hopefully,

1542
01:18:48,120 --> 01:18:50,679
Speaker 4: you know, people can explore from this episode and other stuff,

1543
01:18:50,800 --> 01:18:54,040
Speaker 4: is like when you get that iconic artist who has

1544
01:18:54,120 --> 01:18:57,120
Speaker 4: such a different artistic style something. You know, I think

1545
01:18:57,120 --> 01:18:59,799
Speaker 4: about it a lot. If you've reread the Grand Morrison

1546
01:19:00,200 --> 01:19:03,200
Speaker 4: Quietly X Men stuff, the early stuff that was double

1547
01:19:03,280 --> 01:19:06,240
Speaker 4: page spreads. He's doing this sentinels. You're just like, how

1548
01:19:06,320 --> 01:19:08,760
Speaker 4: did this get put out a big two publisher? And

1549
01:19:08,920 --> 01:19:11,200
Speaker 4: that's where that's where the magic happens, where you get

1550
01:19:11,240 --> 01:19:14,320
Speaker 4: to see this completely unique style on these characters.

1551
01:19:14,400 --> 01:19:16,759
Speaker 1: You know in Love Man, that's some of my favorites.

1552
01:19:16,800 --> 01:19:19,519
Speaker 1: And one more for me See of Stars by Jason

1553
01:19:19,600 --> 01:19:25,280
Speaker 1: Aram and it's a super fun run about a father

1554
01:19:25,439 --> 01:19:29,160
Speaker 1: and son and their journey through space. Imagine like The Road,

1555
01:19:29,400 --> 01:19:33,760
Speaker 1: but a lot more hopeful, set in the space as

1556
01:19:33,920 --> 01:19:37,560
Speaker 1: imagined by Jason Aaron, with like you know, space whales

1557
01:19:38,160 --> 01:19:43,760
Speaker 1: and various creatures that can breathe the quote unquote water

1558
01:19:43,960 --> 01:19:47,280
Speaker 1: of space, so to speak, and swim through space as

1559
01:19:47,320 --> 01:19:49,519
Speaker 1: if it was an actual like medium and not a vacuum.

1560
01:19:49,560 --> 01:19:53,559
Speaker 1: It's really really fun, really magical, beautiful art. I quite

1561
01:19:53,680 --> 01:19:54,000
Speaker 1: enjoyed it.

1562
01:19:54,160 --> 01:19:55,599
Speaker 4: I'm just going to say one more just because it's

1563
01:19:55,600 --> 01:19:56,880
Speaker 4: coming out and you can put it on your poll

1564
01:19:56,920 --> 01:19:59,400
Speaker 4: lists or you can go to a show. Marvel is

1565
01:19:59,439 --> 01:20:03,040
Speaker 4: doing these big collections with Penguin Classics. I got sent

1566
01:20:03,160 --> 01:20:05,120
Speaker 4: them and they haven't come out yet, but one of

1567
01:20:05,120 --> 01:20:09,240
Speaker 4: them is a Black Panther collection and it is It's

1568
01:20:09,320 --> 01:20:13,360
Speaker 4: Panther's Rage, which is usually a hard Yeah, they are.

1569
01:20:13,360 --> 01:20:15,240
Speaker 3: Doing hoea, I see what it is. Yep, Okay, got it.

1570
01:20:15,320 --> 01:20:18,560
Speaker 4: This one is like this and it's they come with introductions.

1571
01:20:18,640 --> 01:20:21,799
Speaker 4: This one had this by Neddie okiaf But this collects

1572
01:20:22,160 --> 01:20:24,360
Speaker 4: Panther's Rage, which is like one of the best old

1573
01:20:24,400 --> 01:20:26,960
Speaker 4: school Black Panther collections that has been very hard to

1574
01:20:27,040 --> 01:20:30,240
Speaker 4: find by with unbelievable art by Billy Graham, who's one

1575
01:20:30,240 --> 01:20:33,320
Speaker 4: of the first ever black Big two artists, and it

1576
01:20:33,479 --> 01:20:35,400
Speaker 4: is just ten out of ten like to be able

1577
01:20:35,439 --> 01:20:37,400
Speaker 4: to read it in this chunky collection, and it's only

1578
01:20:37,439 --> 01:20:40,120
Speaker 4: twenty eight dollars, which is actually really good for a

1579
01:20:40,160 --> 01:20:43,120
Speaker 4: giant collection. So yes, Panther's Rage, you will be able

1580
01:20:43,160 --> 01:20:45,280
Speaker 4: to read it there easily, So go for it.

1581
01:20:45,600 --> 01:20:48,160
Speaker 6: One of the other things that it's just because it's ongoing,

1582
01:20:48,160 --> 01:20:49,880
Speaker 6: because a bunch of things on my list I made,

1583
01:20:50,040 --> 01:20:53,280
Speaker 6: I put things that like are completed runs or completed

1584
01:20:53,439 --> 01:20:56,920
Speaker 6: or collected. Because some people don't like being on the

1585
01:20:56,960 --> 01:20:59,400
Speaker 6: hook for something that's ongoing. They like the idea of

1586
01:20:59,479 --> 01:21:01,960
Speaker 6: jumping into something that's a story they can tell, but

1587
01:21:02,120 --> 01:21:04,400
Speaker 6: one that is ongoing that I love because one of

1588
01:21:04,479 --> 01:21:07,960
Speaker 6: my favorites since the beginning has been Hellboy, you know,

1589
01:21:08,160 --> 01:21:10,639
Speaker 6: like I found Hellboy really early on and have been

1590
01:21:10,760 --> 01:21:15,439
Speaker 6: like a thorough I read anything inside of the Hellboy universe.

1591
01:21:15,520 --> 01:21:15,880
Speaker 3: I love it.

1592
01:21:16,160 --> 01:21:18,800
Speaker 6: I've reread most of hell Boy over the course of

1593
01:21:18,840 --> 01:21:21,439
Speaker 6: the pandemic. But there's a book that I love that

1594
01:21:21,760 --> 01:21:25,480
Speaker 6: reminds me of Hellboy but has jokes and fun and adventuring,

1595
01:21:26,240 --> 01:21:32,120
Speaker 6: which is Headlopper Andrew McLean's book. And it is such

1596
01:21:32,200 --> 01:21:34,360
Speaker 6: a good book, and it has a little bit of

1597
01:21:34,400 --> 01:21:37,479
Speaker 6: the Hellboy I mentioned it in regards to Hellboy because

1598
01:21:37,479 --> 01:21:42,080
Speaker 6: it's all it has similar. It places itself inside of mythology,

1599
01:21:42,240 --> 01:21:45,960
Speaker 6: inside of inside of stories and folk tales that that

1600
01:21:46,080 --> 01:21:49,000
Speaker 6: we might recognize or that we might recognize elements of.

1601
01:21:50,400 --> 01:21:54,120
Speaker 6: But it has jokes which I love that Hellboy really

1602
01:21:54,240 --> 01:21:59,160
Speaker 6: doesn't have. And it's it's beautifully drawn. It's great adventure storytelling.

1603
01:21:59,520 --> 01:22:02,439
Speaker 6: It's about a guy who chops heads off and and

1604
01:22:03,040 --> 01:22:05,800
Speaker 6: and the head of a witch, the sentience head of

1605
01:22:05,840 --> 01:22:08,160
Speaker 6: a witch who's who he accompanies him on all these

1606
01:22:08,200 --> 01:22:10,520
Speaker 6: Adventures and it's terrific.

1607
01:22:10,720 --> 01:22:12,719
Speaker 3: So that's one that I really I've.

1608
01:22:12,640 --> 01:22:14,599
Speaker 6: Been trying to turn people onto as much as possible

1609
01:22:14,640 --> 01:22:17,559
Speaker 6: because it's also like, again, it's another it's one dude

1610
01:22:17,680 --> 01:22:18,920
Speaker 6: is doing it all and it's great.

1611
01:22:19,000 --> 01:22:20,880
Speaker 4: It's a true indie crossover hit.

1612
01:22:21,240 --> 01:22:31,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm glad you mentioned the being on the hook

1613
01:22:31,360 --> 01:22:35,200
Speaker 1: for stuff that's ongoing. One of a similar questions that

1614
01:22:35,240 --> 01:22:38,679
Speaker 1: people ask me is like, my kid is getting into comics,

1615
01:22:39,360 --> 01:22:40,519
Speaker 1: what is there something there?

1616
01:22:40,560 --> 01:22:40,960
Speaker 3: I got one.

1617
01:22:41,240 --> 01:22:43,760
Speaker 1: I think you go first and then I will go.

1618
01:22:44,200 --> 01:22:44,479
Speaker 3: Okay.

1619
01:22:44,800 --> 01:22:48,439
Speaker 6: So one of my absolute favorite working artists of the

1620
01:22:48,560 --> 01:22:54,320
Speaker 6: moment is Chris Somny, famous for his Daredevil run, famous

1621
01:22:54,400 --> 01:22:56,960
Speaker 6: for so many iconic runs on so many of our

1622
01:22:57,000 --> 01:23:01,040
Speaker 6: favorite books. But he and right now he is drawing

1623
01:23:01,439 --> 01:23:04,880
Speaker 6: Robert Kirkman's Firepower for Image, which is a book that

1624
01:23:04,920 --> 01:23:07,880
Speaker 6: I really love and really enjoy. But he and his

1625
01:23:08,000 --> 01:23:11,800
Speaker 6: wife are doing a book called Jana and the Umpossible

1626
01:23:11,880 --> 01:23:15,960
Speaker 6: Monsters and it's an all ages book and it's incredible.

1627
01:23:16,160 --> 01:23:18,559
Speaker 3: It is. It's a beautiful book.

1628
01:23:18,600 --> 01:23:21,960
Speaker 6: It's a beautiful story about sisters who are separated when

1629
01:23:22,040 --> 01:23:25,360
Speaker 6: monsters kind of take over the world, and one sister's

1630
01:23:25,360 --> 01:23:29,080
Speaker 6: trying to find the other sister. And and it's like

1631
01:23:29,160 --> 01:23:30,800
Speaker 6: I said, it's an all ages book, but it's like

1632
01:23:31,000 --> 01:23:35,120
Speaker 6: true adventure storytelling young protagonists. It is like it is

1633
01:23:35,760 --> 01:23:39,920
Speaker 6: like Chef's Kiss, like all ages book. It's fantastic for me,

1634
01:23:40,439 --> 01:23:41,439
Speaker 6: I would pit.

1635
01:23:41,520 --> 01:23:44,960
Speaker 1: And this is another not ongoing, it finished three volume book.

1636
01:23:45,240 --> 01:23:49,519
Speaker 1: Sam Bosma is just an artist that I love. He

1637
01:23:49,800 --> 01:23:55,280
Speaker 1: writes and draws and drew a book called Fantasy Sports Now.

1638
01:23:55,320 --> 01:23:59,200
Speaker 1: It is a story about a little girl who faces

1639
01:23:59,520 --> 01:24:04,519
Speaker 1: various sports themed challenges in a magical world. And it's

1640
01:24:04,600 --> 01:24:08,519
Speaker 1: just great, Like the art is great, the writing is

1641
01:24:08,640 --> 01:24:15,400
Speaker 1: so fun, the challenges are funny and heartwarming, and it's

1642
01:24:15,520 --> 01:24:20,000
Speaker 1: perfect for a young reader or for a veteran readers alike.

1643
01:24:20,040 --> 01:24:22,160
Speaker 1: It's just like really really wonderful. It comes in a

1644
01:24:22,320 --> 01:24:25,160
Speaker 1: it I would urge you. I would urge you to

1645
01:24:25,280 --> 01:24:27,759
Speaker 1: buy the book because it comes in this big format

1646
01:24:27,880 --> 01:24:31,280
Speaker 1: which feels like it feels like a school book almost,

1647
01:24:32,040 --> 01:24:36,439
Speaker 1: and it's just fantastic, just really really great. If you've

1648
01:24:36,479 --> 01:24:38,200
Speaker 1: got that young reader in your life who you're trying

1649
01:24:38,240 --> 01:24:40,720
Speaker 1: to turn into comics and you're worried about is this

1650
01:24:40,840 --> 01:24:44,080
Speaker 1: thing too, is something going to be too mature? Too?

1651
01:24:44,160 --> 01:24:47,280
Speaker 2: Violent, et cetera. Sam Bosma's Fantasy Sports check.

1652
01:24:47,120 --> 01:24:47,799
Speaker 4: It out YouTube.

1653
01:24:47,880 --> 01:24:48,280
Speaker 3: That's great.

1654
01:24:48,320 --> 01:24:50,760
Speaker 4: Have totally inspired me. I have so many answers for

1655
01:24:50,840 --> 01:24:52,479
Speaker 4: this from working in a comic shop, and most of

1656
01:24:52,479 --> 01:24:54,400
Speaker 4: them are big too, but you two have totally inspired

1657
01:24:54,439 --> 01:24:57,160
Speaker 4: me to go a different route. So mine is the classic.

1658
01:24:57,280 --> 01:24:59,559
Speaker 4: It's done. You can buy in any bookshop, any comic

1659
01:24:59,600 --> 01:25:02,320
Speaker 4: shop collection Bone by Jeff Smith.

1660
01:25:02,400 --> 01:25:02,759
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1661
01:25:02,760 --> 01:25:05,479
Speaker 4: I mean as soon as you said John, I was like,

1662
01:25:05,600 --> 01:25:07,479
Speaker 4: oh my god, yes, that book is so beautiful, and

1663
01:25:07,520 --> 01:25:10,560
Speaker 4: I'm like Bone. That was definitely another foundational moment for

1664
01:25:10,640 --> 01:25:13,720
Speaker 4: me when I realized comics could be these sprawling, beautiful

1665
01:25:13,800 --> 01:25:16,000
Speaker 4: It's almost like it's like Calvin and Hobbes meets Lord

1666
01:25:16,040 --> 01:25:20,200
Speaker 4: of the Rings. It's strip cartooning, but it's this huge adventure.

1667
01:25:20,680 --> 01:25:23,160
Speaker 4: You can get them in little collections if your kid

1668
01:25:23,280 --> 01:25:25,080
Speaker 4: is a bit overwhelmed, or you can buy them a

1669
01:25:25,240 --> 01:25:28,880
Speaker 4: huge kind of phone book Eskakira style to just be

1670
01:25:29,040 --> 01:25:31,639
Speaker 4: reading on their lap. And I think if you bought

1671
01:25:32,360 --> 01:25:35,080
Speaker 4: any kid who liked comics, those three comics, they would

1672
01:25:35,120 --> 01:25:37,280
Speaker 4: be in a b That is so cool. If they

1673
01:25:37,320 --> 01:25:39,320
Speaker 4: were any of those were your first comic.

1674
01:25:39,840 --> 01:25:41,799
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, oh, it would be great. Bone.

1675
01:25:41,920 --> 01:25:45,200
Speaker 6: I will also like I've given Bone to so many

1676
01:25:45,479 --> 01:25:47,200
Speaker 6: like nieces nephews, kind of.

1677
01:25:47,280 --> 01:25:50,960
Speaker 3: Like it's such a great book for young readers. It's great.

1678
01:25:51,120 --> 01:25:53,400
Speaker 1: Okay, this is gonna be a fun one. What's your

1679
01:25:53,520 --> 01:25:54,840
Speaker 1: weird comics pick?

1680
01:25:54,960 --> 01:25:55,000
Speaker 4: You?

1681
01:25:55,120 --> 01:25:58,000
Speaker 1: Never? It's you digging through the back issues, through the

1682
01:25:58,080 --> 01:26:00,640
Speaker 1: long boxes. You found a weird thing, weren't sure if

1683
01:26:00,640 --> 01:26:02,320
Speaker 1: youre going to like it, but then you ended up

1684
01:26:02,360 --> 01:26:07,839
Speaker 1: liking it. Rosie as a resident like keeper of the archive.

1685
01:26:08,040 --> 01:26:11,439
Speaker 1: What is your what is your weirdo comics pitch?

1686
01:26:11,520 --> 01:26:14,320
Speaker 4: So I have a couple of options here. One I'm

1687
01:26:14,360 --> 01:26:17,599
Speaker 4: going to start with a true blessing from the DC

1688
01:26:17,800 --> 01:26:23,080
Speaker 4: back issue Bins Strange Sports. This is something that I

1689
01:26:23,160 --> 01:26:26,040
Speaker 4: got literally from a quarter bin and the cover says

1690
01:26:26,280 --> 01:26:29,240
Speaker 4: how did the football game turn into a nightmare? And

1691
01:26:29,320 --> 01:26:33,080
Speaker 4: it has a medieval night like smashing a footballer. This

1692
01:26:33,280 --> 01:26:36,240
Speaker 4: is from the era where doing anthology comics was like

1693
01:26:36,320 --> 01:26:39,080
Speaker 4: really really popular, So it's kind of like an ECS

1694
01:26:39,360 --> 01:26:43,040
Speaker 4: Corr Twilight Zone style. I love those. I try and

1695
01:26:43,240 --> 01:26:45,400
Speaker 4: pick those up whenever I see them. I love all

1696
01:26:45,479 --> 01:26:49,240
Speaker 4: that era of like weird seventies stuff. Mystery Space. This

1697
01:26:49,400 --> 01:26:52,920
Speaker 4: is another DC anthology that's like you can usually find

1698
01:26:52,960 --> 01:26:55,200
Speaker 4: in a in a back issue bin. So I love

1699
01:26:55,280 --> 01:26:58,960
Speaker 4: that kind of stuff and something that is truly a

1700
01:26:59,040 --> 01:27:01,400
Speaker 4: blessing if any one ever is in a back issue

1701
01:27:01,439 --> 01:27:04,840
Speaker 4: bin and fines is the brilliant era of what they

1702
01:27:04,920 --> 01:27:07,920
Speaker 4: used to call like Marvel graphic novels, where it's just

1703
01:27:07,960 --> 01:27:11,960
Speaker 4: a big prestige cover. Here is a iconic one that

1704
01:27:12,040 --> 01:27:16,920
Speaker 4: I love, which is called Punisher, Black Widow, Spinning Doomsday's Web,

1705
01:27:17,360 --> 01:27:20,320
Speaker 4: and these things are and it's overside and they're over

1706
01:27:20,479 --> 01:27:23,320
Speaker 4: they The first one was Death of Captain Marvel, which

1707
01:27:23,439 --> 01:27:25,080
Speaker 4: is like a really famous one, but they did a

1708
01:27:25,120 --> 01:27:27,080
Speaker 4: lot of them. And this is like Larry Stroman d

1709
01:27:28,120 --> 01:27:30,600
Speaker 4: Chester and it is just weird as heck, but I

1710
01:27:30,760 --> 01:27:32,760
Speaker 4: love it. That's like one of my most prized possessions.

1711
01:27:32,800 --> 01:27:35,679
Speaker 4: So the back issue bin is a is a blessing.

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Speaker 4: I also found you were talking about Mark Russell and

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Speaker 4: Red Sonya. I found these Red Sonja comics that were

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Speaker 4: in a back issue bin and everyone was like twenty

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Speaker 4: five cents and the covers were so badass, so I

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01:27:45,520 --> 01:27:47,439
Speaker 4: was like, I'm gonna buy them. I'm gonna buy all

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01:27:47,479 --> 01:27:50,360
Speaker 4: of the ones that they have, And the subheading was

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01:27:50,439 --> 01:27:53,080
Speaker 4: Red Sonya she Devil with a sword and they're really

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01:27:53,120 --> 01:27:55,479
Speaker 4: really cool. And when I looked inside, pretty much the

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01:27:55,880 --> 01:27:59,400
Speaker 4: entire creative team was women, but it was from like cool,

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01:27:59,479 --> 01:28:02,240
Speaker 4: it was from nineteen eighty five, so there's just all

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01:28:02,600 --> 01:28:06,320
Speaker 4: it's like, it's wheezy, like Louise Simonson who's X Men icon.

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01:28:07,040 --> 01:28:10,640
Speaker 4: Mary Wilshire was the penciler, Marie Severin, who's one of

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01:28:10,680 --> 01:28:13,679
Speaker 4: the earliest women to work in Big two comics, Denise

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01:28:13,760 --> 01:28:17,200
Speaker 4: Chang who's a lettering icon and this, and Juliana Ferrier

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01:28:17,320 --> 01:28:20,680
Speaker 4: was the colorer. Larry Harmer gi jo Icon, he was

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01:28:20,720 --> 01:28:22,800
Speaker 4: the edit. Yeah, and that was just something that I

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01:28:22,920 --> 01:28:24,960
Speaker 4: literally picked up because the covers were cool. And that's

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01:28:25,000 --> 01:28:26,800
Speaker 4: what I love about that back issue being you can

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01:28:26,840 --> 01:28:30,000
Speaker 4: discover a part of comic book history that's just totally forgotten.

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Speaker 3: Oh that's great. Those are good ones, and I love

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Speaker 3: the visuals of you showing us.

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Speaker 4: Sorry to the podcast listeners, feel free to google the

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01:28:39,320 --> 01:28:42,960
Speaker 4: covers to join in to the joy of seeing them.

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Speaker 1: One of the artists of my childhood was that that

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01:28:47,520 --> 01:28:49,880
Speaker 1: I just fell in love with. So there were two

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01:28:50,280 --> 01:28:52,559
Speaker 1: big ones. One was Art Adams, who I just felt

1738
01:28:52,640 --> 01:28:55,160
Speaker 1: like there was a moment in my life where if

1739
01:28:55,240 --> 01:28:58,360
Speaker 1: I could have been able to draw like Art Adams,

1740
01:28:58,960 --> 01:29:01,640
Speaker 1: I would have chopped off like a foot to be

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01:29:01,720 --> 01:29:03,519
Speaker 1: able to do it. Like I just think I could

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01:29:03,520 --> 01:29:06,559
Speaker 1: have fallen into his art, and then Barry Windsor Smith,

1743
01:29:06,880 --> 01:29:09,400
Speaker 1: who I fell in love with because of the weapon

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01:29:09,600 --> 01:29:12,000
Speaker 1: X work that he did, So then I would go

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01:29:12,080 --> 01:29:14,040
Speaker 1: through the long boxes and be like, Okay, Barry windsors Smith,

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01:29:14,080 --> 01:29:18,400
Speaker 1: Barry Winsor Smith. So nineteen eighty four Machine Man limited

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01:29:18,520 --> 01:29:22,439
Speaker 1: series written by Tom DeFalco, plots by Barry Windsor Smith

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01:29:23,240 --> 01:29:26,120
Speaker 1: and art by Herb trimp At Barry Winsor Smith. It's

1749
01:29:26,160 --> 01:29:30,600
Speaker 1: a dystopian take on Machine Man in which he's reassembled

1750
01:29:31,200 --> 01:29:34,759
Speaker 1: and realizes that he's in this new realm in the future,

1751
01:29:34,840 --> 01:29:37,280
Speaker 1: doesn't know what the world is like. I would describe

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01:29:37,280 --> 01:29:40,880
Speaker 1: it as like a mashup of like Blade Runner and

1753
01:29:41,280 --> 01:29:43,960
Speaker 1: Iron Man. The villain is Tony Stark with the twenty

1754
01:29:44,000 --> 01:29:47,519
Speaker 1: first century. He was a bad guy and it made

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01:29:47,680 --> 01:29:51,479
Speaker 1: no impact. Nobody cares about this limity series. I've never

1756
01:29:51,560 --> 01:29:55,479
Speaker 1: heard anybody talk about. It is probably pretty hard to find,

1757
01:29:56,080 --> 01:29:59,760
Speaker 1: and it is super super super weird and I have

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01:30:00,320 --> 01:30:02,200
Speaker 1: love it. The Machine Man learn News series of nineteen

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01:30:02,200 --> 01:30:05,080
Speaker 1: eighty four, Tom Devalco, herb Trump, Berry Windsor Smith. If

1760
01:30:05,120 --> 01:30:08,560
Speaker 1: you can find it, check it out because again it

1761
01:30:08,720 --> 01:30:11,360
Speaker 1: is super super weird. And if you like Iron Man

1762
01:30:11,439 --> 01:30:13,200
Speaker 1: but you want to see him as a villain, check

1763
01:30:13,240 --> 01:30:16,680
Speaker 1: it out. A great romance between Machine Man and Jocasta.

1764
01:30:17,840 --> 01:30:20,880
Speaker 1: Of course, it's good. It's good, it's good.

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01:30:21,439 --> 01:30:23,200
Speaker 6: I will say that made me think if you like

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01:30:23,320 --> 01:30:26,000
Speaker 6: Barry Windsor Smith, he put out a book last year

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01:30:26,080 --> 01:30:30,360
Speaker 6: called Monsters that is like a big graphic novel length

1768
01:30:30,479 --> 01:30:33,559
Speaker 6: book that is gorgeous. I was gonna say machine Man

1769
01:30:33,640 --> 01:30:37,920
Speaker 6: made me think of Next Wave, Yes, Yes, which is

1770
01:30:38,120 --> 01:30:40,920
Speaker 6: one of my all time favorite books. If you want

1771
01:30:40,960 --> 01:30:48,600
Speaker 6: to really funny, hilarious, insane gonzo book, Next Wave is

1772
01:30:48,640 --> 01:30:49,280
Speaker 6: a pretty good one.

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01:30:49,360 --> 01:30:53,479
Speaker 1: How do I even describe Next Wave? Agents of Hate

1774
01:30:54,400 --> 01:30:57,559
Speaker 1: being one of their arts, Like, how do you describe

1775
01:30:57,640 --> 01:30:59,679
Speaker 1: next Wave? How do you describe right next.

1776
01:30:59,600 --> 01:31:03,280
Speaker 6: Week Wave to people? Because it's such a self contained nonsense.

1777
01:31:03,360 --> 01:31:06,000
Speaker 6: You don't need to know these characters stories to not

1778
01:31:06,160 --> 01:31:11,080
Speaker 6: at all to read this absolutely insane story and because

1779
01:31:11,120 --> 01:31:12,479
Speaker 6: it's like I give it to people because I'm like

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01:31:12,560 --> 01:31:15,720
Speaker 6: this is comics can be like this too. You know,

1781
01:31:15,800 --> 01:31:17,960
Speaker 6: like because a lot of like comics kind have jokes

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01:31:18,000 --> 01:31:20,280
Speaker 6: that we would do comics because I feel like some

1783
01:31:20,840 --> 01:31:23,760
Speaker 6: comic skeptics that are like my age kind of people

1784
01:31:23,960 --> 01:31:27,040
Speaker 6: like are you know, oftentimes fall into the trap of

1785
01:31:27,240 --> 01:31:29,800
Speaker 6: comics are for kids, and I'm like, read this book,

1786
01:31:29,880 --> 01:31:31,439
Speaker 6: you're gonna laugh your ass off, you know.

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01:31:31,960 --> 01:31:32,160
Speaker 1: Yeah.

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01:31:32,439 --> 01:31:35,599
Speaker 4: Monica Rambau also relevant, So go and grab next wave.

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01:31:36,280 --> 01:31:38,280
Speaker 3: Yeah it's time. Oh yeah, I was trying to think.

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01:31:38,320 --> 01:31:41,360
Speaker 6: I don't really have a good like back of the

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01:31:41,479 --> 01:31:45,920
Speaker 6: box kind of random pick. All of the things that

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01:31:46,040 --> 01:31:48,639
Speaker 6: I'm that are my kind of old, things are out

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01:31:48,680 --> 01:31:52,160
Speaker 6: of print. Things that I've been reading are like it's obvious,

1794
01:31:52,280 --> 01:31:56,280
Speaker 6: like like all of Ed Brubaker and Darwin Cook's Catwoman

1795
01:31:56,439 --> 01:31:58,639
Speaker 6: series that is not collected anywhere.

1796
01:31:59,280 --> 01:32:02,040
Speaker 4: So I had it's not collected anywhether you should just

1797
01:32:02,080 --> 01:32:04,160
Speaker 4: tell people about it because that's a book people can't read.

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01:32:04,160 --> 01:32:06,000
Speaker 4: And where about see Catwoman, Imbatman.

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01:32:08,120 --> 01:32:10,679
Speaker 6: I've been mentioning it a lot because I'm like, put

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01:32:10,720 --> 01:32:13,240
Speaker 6: the give us in either an omnibus or something. These

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01:32:13,280 --> 01:32:18,960
Speaker 6: are incredible crime stories, incredible you know Ed Brubaker, who

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01:32:19,040 --> 01:32:21,880
Speaker 6: you know traditionally works with Sean Phillips on criminal and

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01:32:22,560 --> 01:32:25,480
Speaker 6: all the other kind of ancillary books that are predominantly

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01:32:25,720 --> 01:32:29,640
Speaker 6: noir style crime stories with either some supernatural or some

1805
01:32:29,760 --> 01:32:32,400
Speaker 6: love crafty and elements or whatever. He's been doing the

1806
01:32:32,439 --> 01:32:36,360
Speaker 6: great reckless books this this last couple of years. But regardless,

1807
01:32:36,400 --> 01:32:38,479
Speaker 6: he did this incredibly long run on Catwoman that is

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01:32:38,600 --> 01:32:44,040
Speaker 6: essentially just great crime stories and the incredible, incomparable Darwin

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01:32:44,080 --> 01:32:48,320
Speaker 6: Cook draws them, and it's just beautiful, beautiful cartooning, beautiful

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01:32:48,479 --> 01:32:53,680
Speaker 6: great crime stories, pulpy fun crime stories starring Catwomen. I

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01:32:53,760 --> 01:32:56,160
Speaker 6: wish they would put these out again. I wish I.

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01:32:56,400 --> 01:32:59,960
Speaker 3: Wasn't having to troll eBay to buy these. That seems ludical.

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01:33:00,439 --> 01:33:03,519
Speaker 4: Darwin Cook is one of the most iconic artists of

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01:33:03,560 --> 01:33:06,320
Speaker 4: all time and is also a brilliant gateway for people

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01:33:06,360 --> 01:33:10,160
Speaker 4: who love animation or love cartooning that don't love superhero comics.

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01:33:10,479 --> 01:33:13,400
Speaker 4: And with that Man coming out soon, with having you know,

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01:33:13,880 --> 01:33:18,040
Speaker 4: a major Selena Kyle kind of storyline, seems wild. That's

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01:33:18,200 --> 01:33:20,240
Speaker 4: a trade seems crazy to.

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01:33:20,920 --> 01:33:23,320
Speaker 6: I'll shout out another at Brubaker book just because they

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01:33:24,120 --> 01:33:28,240
Speaker 6: he put it out on Panel Syndicate first. It's called Friday,

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01:33:29,400 --> 01:33:32,800
Speaker 6: and it's now been collected. The first three issues have

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01:33:32,880 --> 01:33:35,479
Speaker 6: been collected into a physical copy, so you can actually

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01:33:35,520 --> 01:33:37,920
Speaker 6: not buy it. Marcos Martin is the artist who is

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01:33:38,640 --> 01:33:41,800
Speaker 6: just one of my favorite. Also a panel syndicate book

1825
01:33:41,840 --> 01:33:44,400
Speaker 6: that you can buy now is Private Eye, Brian kay

1826
01:33:44,479 --> 01:33:48,000
Speaker 6: Vaughan's book with Marcos Martin, which is also absolutely gorgeous

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01:33:48,840 --> 01:33:50,600
Speaker 6: and it's a great Friday. Is a great kind of

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01:33:50,680 --> 01:33:55,720
Speaker 6: story about like what happens if like Encyclopedia Brown and

1829
01:33:56,280 --> 01:33:59,679
Speaker 6: the It had a partner and they solved stories as kids,

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01:34:00,040 --> 01:34:02,560
Speaker 6: what happens when they get older and grow up, you know,

1831
01:34:03,800 --> 01:34:06,479
Speaker 6: And it's kind of but are still you know, she

1832
01:34:06,640 --> 01:34:09,200
Speaker 6: moves away to college but comes back and there's a

1833
01:34:09,280 --> 01:34:11,080
Speaker 6: mystery and all that kind of stuff, but they're not

1834
01:34:11,200 --> 01:34:14,400
Speaker 6: kids anymore. And it's it's really, it's really good. I'm

1835
01:34:14,439 --> 01:34:16,520
Speaker 6: really I think it's a and it's beautiful.

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Speaker 1: This has been so delightful, y'all. I've really enjoyed this conversation,

1837
01:34:21,680 --> 01:34:26,240
Speaker 1: and my pull list has now expanded substantially. I'm gonna

1838
01:34:26,280 --> 01:34:30,400
Speaker 1: head to secret headquarters. Actually is that trude? Because yesterday

1839
01:34:30,439 --> 01:34:32,759
Speaker 1: it was New Comics Day and I've got the debut

1840
01:34:33,439 --> 01:34:36,200
Speaker 1: of the new Iron Fist sitting there that I know,

1841
01:34:36,280 --> 01:34:38,880
Speaker 1: I have to get among other things. I'm excited to

1842
01:34:39,240 --> 01:34:40,880
Speaker 1: put in some new orders. Jason.

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01:34:41,320 --> 01:34:44,599
Speaker 3: Anything to plug, I'll plug one more book. It's called

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01:34:44,640 --> 01:34:45,760
Speaker 3: The Case of the Missing Men.

1845
01:34:46,880 --> 01:34:49,559
Speaker 6: It's too It's a small book that these guys out

1846
01:34:49,560 --> 01:34:52,439
Speaker 6: of Nova Scotia do and it is incredible, so fun,

1847
01:34:53,000 --> 01:34:57,280
Speaker 6: great book, and I'll plug. I mean personally, I'm one

1848
01:34:57,320 --> 01:34:58,840
Speaker 6: of the hosts of the How Did This Get Made?

1849
01:34:58,880 --> 01:35:02,120
Speaker 6: Podcast with All Sheer and June Dan Raphael. If you

1850
01:35:02,479 --> 01:35:05,200
Speaker 6: like listening to people talk about bad movies that they've

1851
01:35:05,280 --> 01:35:06,920
Speaker 6: just watched, that's our whole deal.

1852
01:35:07,080 --> 01:35:08,640
Speaker 3: So so check it out.

1853
01:35:08,760 --> 01:35:12,519
Speaker 1: Well, folks, this has been fantastic. What a wonderful conversation. Jason,

1854
01:35:12,560 --> 01:35:14,640
Speaker 1: thank you for joining us, Thanks for having me up

1855
01:35:14,720 --> 01:35:25,639
Speaker 1: Next nerd Out. In this week's nerd Out, a recurring

1856
01:35:25,680 --> 01:35:27,439
Speaker 1: segment where you tell us what you love and why,

1857
01:35:27,600 --> 01:35:30,719
Speaker 1: Rodrigo pitches us on alternative.

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01:35:30,160 --> 01:35:33,160
Speaker 7: Movie posters X ray Vision. My name is Rodrigo, and

1859
01:35:33,360 --> 01:35:35,560
Speaker 7: the thing I wanted to nerd out about isn't a

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01:35:35,600 --> 01:35:38,560
Speaker 7: specific property, but rather kind of a hobby that encompasses

1861
01:35:38,680 --> 01:35:41,479
Speaker 7: most of the nerdy properties out there, and that is

1862
01:35:41,600 --> 01:35:44,760
Speaker 7: alternative movie posters and p as I call them, have

1863
01:35:44,840 --> 01:35:47,559
Speaker 7: been kind of on this steady rise over the last decade,

1864
01:35:47,760 --> 01:35:50,800
Speaker 7: and it's basically kind of modern day artists providing their

1865
01:35:50,880 --> 01:35:54,280
Speaker 7: unique take on their favorite properties, like usually movies, as

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01:35:54,320 --> 01:35:56,160
Speaker 7: the name would indicate, but more and more we're seeing

1867
01:35:56,200 --> 01:36:00,960
Speaker 7: like TV shows, album covers, concert posters, book posters, etc.

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01:36:01,800 --> 01:36:03,679
Speaker 7: I really got into it because I was getting bored

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01:36:03,720 --> 01:36:05,639
Speaker 7: with studio posters. I think in a time where movie

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01:36:05,640 --> 01:36:07,600
Speaker 7: studios are kind of leading the way towards these like

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01:36:07,720 --> 01:36:11,519
Speaker 7: generic multiple face blue and orange sollace posters, AMP provides

1872
01:36:11,600 --> 01:36:15,599
Speaker 7: movie lovers something more that feels like artisanal, more interpretive

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01:36:15,640 --> 01:36:18,439
Speaker 7: of the story, often like drawn by hand or using

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01:36:18,479 --> 01:36:20,840
Speaker 7: digital tools to mimic the feel of a hand drawn

1875
01:36:21,000 --> 01:36:24,639
Speaker 7: art piece. It really satisfies the nostalgic bug that many

1876
01:36:24,720 --> 01:36:27,160
Speaker 7: movie lovers are looking for. Even if you aren't collecting

1877
01:36:27,160 --> 01:36:30,080
Speaker 7: AMP yet, if you're someone online, I'm guessing you've probably

1878
01:36:30,120 --> 01:36:32,200
Speaker 7: seen some examples that were so big they made it

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01:36:32,320 --> 01:36:35,599
Speaker 7: over onto the mainstream scene. Oli Moss is an artist

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01:36:35,640 --> 01:36:37,479
Speaker 7: that did a Star Wars series that had some key

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01:36:37,560 --> 01:36:41,400
Speaker 7: locations of the movies inside these monochromatic outlines of the characters.

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01:36:41,479 --> 01:36:43,400
Speaker 7: So basically there was like a tattoine inside of a

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01:36:43,520 --> 01:36:46,559
Speaker 7: Red c Threepo, The Cloud City from Best Bin inside

1884
01:36:46,600 --> 01:36:49,560
Speaker 7: Boba fet The End, or Moon inside Darth Vader. But

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01:36:49,640 --> 01:36:51,519
Speaker 7: there's art for really almost anything you can think of,

1886
01:36:51,640 --> 01:36:55,759
Speaker 7: like Harry Potter, Dune, X Men, Terminator, Jurassic Park, Classic

1887
01:36:55,840 --> 01:36:57,960
Speaker 7: Space Jam. You know, a bunch of really good stuff.

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01:36:58,280 --> 01:37:00,479
Speaker 7: The artists come in all sorts of styles. There's even

1889
01:37:00,520 --> 01:37:03,679
Speaker 7: some really great comic book adjacent names, you know, Bilson Kevich,

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01:37:03,720 --> 01:37:06,639
Speaker 7: Smark Brooks, Michael Cho They've all done some really cool posters.

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01:37:06,920 --> 01:37:08,600
Speaker 7: It's a great way to decorate your walls with the

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01:37:08,680 --> 01:37:10,639
Speaker 7: thing that you love in a less tacky way than

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01:37:10,720 --> 01:37:13,759
Speaker 7: the studio generated poster. Plus, it's a good investment sometimes,

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01:37:13,800 --> 01:37:15,120
Speaker 7: you know, there's posters that you can buy for like

1895
01:37:15,160 --> 01:37:17,479
Speaker 7: fifty bucks, sixty bucks, and then they resell for like

1896
01:37:17,560 --> 01:37:20,400
Speaker 7: five hundred, six hundred dollars. It's a really interesting copy

1897
01:37:20,439 --> 01:37:22,360
Speaker 7: that's been around for a long time, but it's really

1898
01:37:22,360 --> 01:37:24,680
Speaker 7: picked up steam lately. So if you're interested in you

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01:37:24,680 --> 01:37:26,320
Speaker 7: don't know where to start, I would say search out

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01:37:26,320 --> 01:37:30,320
Speaker 7: places like Mondo, Layered Butter, a website called Alternative Movie Posters.

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01:37:30,360 --> 01:37:31,920
Speaker 7: Take a look at what's out there. You know, once

1902
01:37:31,960 --> 01:37:34,000
Speaker 7: you're there, you can fall down the rabbit hole until

1903
01:37:34,040 --> 01:37:36,479
Speaker 7: you're connecting with some private commissions, which for me is

1904
01:37:36,520 --> 01:37:39,479
Speaker 7: truly where the magic happens. But there's always new posters

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01:37:39,560 --> 01:37:41,679
Speaker 7: coming out, so it's never not exciting to be following

1906
01:37:41,880 --> 01:37:44,920
Speaker 7: the usual suspects of the hobby and see what they

1907
01:37:45,000 --> 01:37:46,720
Speaker 7: want to put out there. So yeah, so check it out.

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Speaker 1: Thanks Rodrigo. If you want to be featured, if you

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01:37:50,080 --> 01:37:52,000
Speaker 1: have something that you love you want to tell people about,

1910
01:37:52,200 --> 01:37:54,320
Speaker 1: send your nerd out pitch to x Ray at crookad

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Speaker 1: dot com. Instructions are in the show notes. Up next

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01:37:57,320 --> 01:38:09,080
Speaker 1: the End Game. We're in the endgame now and for

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01:38:09,320 --> 01:38:14,880
Speaker 1: this week's endgame, so much mutant talk, so much theorizing

1914
01:38:14,920 --> 01:38:17,559
Speaker 1: about how the mutants and our favorite ex friends might

1915
01:38:17,720 --> 01:38:22,720
Speaker 1: possibly make their introduction into the Marvel Cinematic universe. So

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01:38:23,120 --> 01:38:25,759
Speaker 1: with that in mind, the question posed to us today

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01:38:26,160 --> 01:38:31,320
Speaker 1: by producer Saul, what would your mutant power be? The

1918
01:38:31,439 --> 01:38:34,040
Speaker 1: onset of puberty has hit you like a truck. There

1919
01:38:34,200 --> 01:38:38,639
Speaker 1: is some sort of moment of extreme stress. Maybe you're

1920
01:38:38,680 --> 01:38:42,080
Speaker 1: being made fun of, maybe somebody the bully hit your

1921
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Speaker 1: books out of your hand. Maybe you're looking and someone's

1922
01:38:44,240 --> 01:38:46,439
Speaker 1: about to get hit by a truck across the street

1923
01:38:46,960 --> 01:38:49,519
Speaker 1: and you can feel it happening. Your mutant power is

1924
01:38:49,560 --> 01:38:53,000
Speaker 1: about to emerge. What is that power? Rosie?

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Speaker 2: Do you want to go first?

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Speaker 4: I mean, isn't this the question, the conversation we've all

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Speaker 4: had so many times?

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Speaker 3: The dream?

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Speaker 4: I think just it's that impact of that clam wont

1930
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Speaker 4: run that we talked about for so long. I think

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Speaker 4: it's just like a telekinesis, like a Jean Gray style

1932
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Speaker 4: telekinesis like that, I think because I was a horror kid,

1933
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Speaker 4: so like Carry and then like funny other non horror,

1934
01:39:15,720 --> 01:39:18,800
Speaker 4: but like Matilda, like Jean Gray, the idea of that

1935
01:39:19,479 --> 01:39:22,760
Speaker 4: all consuming, like and it feels emotional with Gene Gray.

1936
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Speaker 4: It's like you get angry and things start to move.

1937
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Speaker 4: It's like the manifestation, the manifestation of the anger and

1938
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Speaker 4: the sadness and the and all of that, but also

1939
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Speaker 4: just like being able to like get a book out

1940
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Speaker 4: of a bookshelf without reaching it and stuff. I would

1941
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Speaker 4: like the small aspects as well as the big life

1942
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Speaker 4: changing mutant manifestation. So I think that would still be

1943
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Speaker 4: my uh No telepathy though you can keep that part.

1944
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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's it. I don't like telepathy it feels invasive.

1945
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Speaker 1: That being said, my my power has changed so many times.

1946
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Speaker 1: I've wanted so many different I've wanted so many different things.

1947
01:39:57,600 --> 01:40:01,040
Speaker 1: I used to love cannonballs, like a ability to fly

1948
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Speaker 1: and be in vulnerable like while flying, similar to you

1949
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Speaker 1: the telekinesis, you know, Jean Gray. The ability to move

1950
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Speaker 1: stuff with your mind has been so fantastic and so intriguing,

1951
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Speaker 1: and something I've been fascinated with was particularly when I

1952
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Speaker 1: was young, when I had my big Wolverine phase which

1953
01:40:18,280 --> 01:40:21,200
Speaker 1: went for a number of years. It was like a

1954
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Speaker 1: healing factor. How cool would that be? Take any injury,

1955
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Speaker 1: you know, like fall out of a moving truck, fall

1956
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Speaker 1: from the top of the Empire State Building, and your

1957
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Speaker 1: body we reconstituted. That would be amazing. But I think

1958
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Speaker 1: since then, the one that is the most intriguing to me,

1959
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Speaker 1: and it's subtle and passive in a lot of ways,

1960
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Speaker 1: but extremely powerful is Douglas Ramsey's aka Cipher Douglas Ramsey

1961
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Speaker 1: of the New Mutants. His ability to basically understand, immediately

1962
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Speaker 1: read and communicate in any language, be it an alien language,

1963
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Speaker 1: be it a computer language, be it the language of Crocoa,

1964
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Speaker 1: the Living Island and being able to translate for other people.

1965
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Speaker 1: I think it's so powerful, so cool, and it's one

1966
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Speaker 1: of those powers that it feels like, even as it's

1967
01:41:10,960 --> 01:41:15,880
Speaker 1: been fleshed out and expanded by various creators, it feels

1968
01:41:15,920 --> 01:41:18,559
Speaker 1: like we've only scratched the surface of what Douglas Ramsey

1969
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Speaker 1: is capable. So that's what I would like to do.

1970
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Speaker 1: To be able to read, communicate, understand any symbolic language,

1971
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Speaker 1: any spoken language, any written language. Would it be for

1972
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Speaker 1: y'all listening? What would it be for any of you?

1973
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Speaker 1: What power would you love to have? Have you daydreamed

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Speaker 1: about having? I know that you've done it, and we've

1975
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Speaker 1: all done it. We've all day dreamed about having a superpower.

1976
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Speaker 1: So what would yours be? Let us know what you

1977
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Speaker 1: think and who do you think one? Use hashtag XRV

1978
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Speaker 1: and game to give us your pick, and that's it

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Speaker 1: for our show. A big thank you to one of

1980
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Speaker 1: the greatest Jasons of all time, Jason Manzukas. A huge

1981
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Speaker 1: thank you to the great Rosie Night for once again

1982
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Speaker 1: blessing us with the wisdom and knowledge that she contains

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Speaker 1: in her big brain. Rosie, anything to plug for you?

1984
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Speaker 4: If you want to look at my late night ramblings

1985
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Speaker 4: about the doctor Strange post. Definitely please do it. Definitely

1986
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Speaker 4: goes to notice and look at my poster key The

1987
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Speaker 4: magic of Photoshop. Soon my comic that I keep talking

1988
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Speaker 4: about if filed the script for it this week. My License,

1989
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Speaker 4: my first license comic that will be coming out soon

1990
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Speaker 4: and I'll be able to talk well, it will be

1991
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Speaker 4: coming out in a few months. I'll be able to

1992
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Speaker 4: talk about it soon when it's in previews, so keep

1993
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Speaker 4: an eye out for that. And otherwise, just same place

1994
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Speaker 4: as always. You can hear me here. I've got Instagram

1995
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Speaker 4: where I talk about comics a lot, and letterboxed where

1996
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Speaker 4: I talk about all the bad movies that I watch

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Speaker 4: every day. Really, just so happy to be here, So

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Speaker 4: thanks for having me again.

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Speaker 1: If you wanted to learn more about what we explore

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Speaker 1: in each episode, and this is going to be one

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Speaker 1: of those where theoretically you might want to know more,

2002
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Speaker 1: check out the listener's guide and all things extra vision

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Speaker 1: in our show notes on our website. Catch our next

2004
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Speaker 1: episode February twenty fifth, and again nerd out pitches, suggestions, thoughts, concerns,

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2009
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2013
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Speaker 1: sal Rubin. The show is exactly produced by myself and

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