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Bloomberg Sound On with Joe Matthew on 11 00:00:38,640 --> 00:00:44,159 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Radio. It's election day in California and in the 12 00:00:44,200 --> 00:00:46,760 Speaker 1: city of Boston as we meet on the eve of 13 00:00:46,800 --> 00:00:50,120 Speaker 1: another deadline on Capitol Hill over reconciliations. So we've got 14 00:00:50,159 --> 00:00:53,040 Speaker 1: a lot to dig into. Welcome as we start this 15 00:00:53,120 --> 00:00:57,320 Speaker 1: hour with Congressman Ammi Bearra, Democrat from California, who's also 16 00:00:57,360 --> 00:00:59,720 Speaker 1: working through the House Foreign Affairs Committee, as we speak 17 00:00:59,760 --> 00:01:03,880 Speaker 1: to resettle Afghans following the US withdrawal. Our panel today, 18 00:01:03,920 --> 00:01:09,119 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Politics contributor and Democratic analyst Genie Chanzano and Republican 19 00:01:09,160 --> 00:01:11,880 Speaker 1: strategist Jennifer nassaurs with us today as well founder of 20 00:01:11,880 --> 00:01:14,600 Speaker 1: the Pocketbook Project. Later, we will go to ground in 21 00:01:14,640 --> 00:01:17,720 Speaker 1: Boston where voters are choosing finalists from mayor in what 22 00:01:17,800 --> 00:01:20,040 Speaker 1: will be an historic election no matter how it ends. 23 00:01:20,400 --> 00:01:22,960 Speaker 1: We'll be joined by the Dean of Boston political journalist 24 00:01:23,040 --> 00:01:26,319 Speaker 1: John Keller's happening again in California, as you've been hearing 25 00:01:26,360 --> 00:01:31,040 Speaker 1: on Bloomberg Radio, or recall election. This time, the incumbent Governor, 26 00:01:31,040 --> 00:01:33,600 Speaker 1: Gavin Newsom looks to be in pretty good shape, if 27 00:01:33,600 --> 00:01:37,240 Speaker 1: the polls at least tell us correctly. As we read 28 00:01:37,280 --> 00:01:40,280 Speaker 1: the headline on the terminal, Californians decide Newsom's fate in 29 00:01:40,360 --> 00:01:44,160 Speaker 1: historic recall election. Voters are being asked two questions, whether 30 00:01:44,200 --> 00:01:46,440 Speaker 1: to keep the first term Democrat if he's removed, who 31 00:01:46,440 --> 00:01:50,000 Speaker 1: should replace him from a field of more than forty candidates. 32 00:01:50,120 --> 00:01:53,320 Speaker 1: What a story. And that's where we start with Congressman 33 00:01:53,360 --> 00:01:56,920 Speaker 1: Amy Bearra, Democrat from California, serves on the House Foreign 34 00:01:56,920 --> 00:01:58,680 Speaker 1: Affairs Committee, and we're gonna get into some of his 35 00:01:58,720 --> 00:02:02,600 Speaker 1: work in that depart as well. Congressman, welcome, it's looking 36 00:02:02,640 --> 00:02:06,120 Speaker 1: well for Gavin Newsom. Is that true? You know? Joe, 37 00:02:06,160 --> 00:02:08,799 Speaker 1: thanks for having me on. It does look better than 38 00:02:08,880 --> 00:02:12,679 Speaker 1: did maybe three or four weeks ago. I think. Um. Yeah, 39 00:02:13,400 --> 00:02:16,720 Speaker 1: Governor Newsom in his campaign woke Democrats up to the 40 00:02:16,760 --> 00:02:20,639 Speaker 1: possibility of a governor elder, which I think scared a 41 00:02:20,680 --> 00:02:23,320 Speaker 1: lot of people. So you know, folks are turning in 42 00:02:23,360 --> 00:02:26,440 Speaker 1: their ballots, and if the polls are correct, I think 43 00:02:26,480 --> 00:02:30,320 Speaker 1: the governor will avoid this recall pretty easily. Was it 44 00:02:31,040 --> 00:02:32,959 Speaker 1: a good thing for the President to go out or 45 00:02:33,280 --> 00:02:36,080 Speaker 1: did it say something about the race, uh? Or or 46 00:02:36,080 --> 00:02:38,200 Speaker 1: about Joe Biden? Or when you have the President of 47 00:02:38,240 --> 00:02:41,000 Speaker 1: the United States crossed the country to helping incoming, it 48 00:02:41,040 --> 00:02:43,680 Speaker 1: seems to be in pretty good shape. You know. I 49 00:02:43,680 --> 00:02:47,320 Speaker 1: think it also allowed the president to come out and 50 00:02:47,440 --> 00:02:50,399 Speaker 1: see some of the devastations of the wildfires up here 51 00:02:50,760 --> 00:02:53,240 Speaker 1: around my district. And you know, we're glad that that 52 00:02:53,360 --> 00:02:55,840 Speaker 1: he came out firsthand, had a chance to meet with 53 00:02:55,880 --> 00:02:58,480 Speaker 1: some of the firefighters as well as you get up 54 00:02:58,480 --> 00:03:00,160 Speaker 1: in a helicopter and too or some of the the 55 00:03:00,240 --> 00:03:03,080 Speaker 1: damage of the calder of fire. Um. And then while 56 00:03:03,080 --> 00:03:06,120 Speaker 1: he was out here, never hurts have the President United 57 00:03:06,120 --> 00:03:09,160 Speaker 1: States come out and just make sure folks know that 58 00:03:09,200 --> 00:03:13,680 Speaker 1: there's an election taken place or recall. The wildfires bring 59 00:03:13,760 --> 00:03:16,200 Speaker 1: us to the matter of reconciliation, because there's been so 60 00:03:16,280 --> 00:03:19,840 Speaker 1: much talk about spending uh to combat climate change in 61 00:03:19,919 --> 00:03:22,519 Speaker 1: this three and a half trillion dollar reconciliation bill that 62 00:03:22,560 --> 00:03:25,280 Speaker 1: I believe is coming together at least in another big 63 00:03:25,320 --> 00:03:28,079 Speaker 1: step tomorrow. That was the deadline for committees to finish 64 00:03:28,080 --> 00:03:30,840 Speaker 1: their work, I believe in the House and the Senate. 65 00:03:30,880 --> 00:03:33,560 Speaker 1: I don't know if that moved under our feet, Congressman, 66 00:03:33,600 --> 00:03:36,800 Speaker 1: but that's another big moment here. Do you see this 67 00:03:36,880 --> 00:03:39,360 Speaker 1: moving in the direction that you wanted to, in a 68 00:03:39,400 --> 00:03:42,680 Speaker 1: way that would prevent this this conversation every year about 69 00:03:42,680 --> 00:03:47,320 Speaker 1: wildfires in California. Yeah, I certainly hope that there are 70 00:03:47,400 --> 00:03:51,000 Speaker 1: provisions and whatever the final bill looks like that address 71 00:03:51,240 --> 00:03:55,720 Speaker 1: better management of our forests that address climate change longer term, 72 00:03:55,960 --> 00:03:59,520 Speaker 1: better management of water to these droughts are becoming more 73 00:03:59,560 --> 00:04:04,600 Speaker 1: the norm than the um the exception. And obviously we're 74 00:04:04,640 --> 00:04:08,000 Speaker 1: still not at the peak of wildfire season yet, so 75 00:04:08,320 --> 00:04:10,240 Speaker 1: you know, there may be more to come, but this is, 76 00:04:10,560 --> 00:04:12,640 Speaker 1: you know, damaging not just to us, but a lot 77 00:04:12,640 --> 00:04:15,480 Speaker 1: of the West Coast and the Western States. So hopefully 78 00:04:15,800 --> 00:04:18,200 Speaker 1: in the final bill that we vote on. They'll be 79 00:04:18,920 --> 00:04:21,880 Speaker 1: a lot to help us manage this condition. It sounds 80 00:04:21,880 --> 00:04:24,080 Speaker 1: like there's a lot that has yet to be figured 81 00:04:24,120 --> 00:04:26,080 Speaker 1: out here and a lot yet to be written. Uh. 82 00:04:26,200 --> 00:04:29,680 Speaker 1: You've certainly seen Chairman Richard Neil putting together a package 83 00:04:30,200 --> 00:04:33,720 Speaker 1: that goes at core issues in the tax code, and 84 00:04:34,240 --> 00:04:40,000 Speaker 1: we spoke a little bit earlier about that with Senate 85 00:04:40,040 --> 00:04:43,520 Speaker 1: Majority Leader Chuck Schumer speaking today on Capitol Hill saying 86 00:04:43,520 --> 00:04:46,160 Speaker 1: that things are moving forward. What is this deadline tomorrow 87 00:04:46,360 --> 00:04:49,159 Speaker 1: going to bring out in terms of details? Yeah, I 88 00:04:49,160 --> 00:04:53,320 Speaker 1: know all the committees have been working, um diligently the 89 00:04:53,680 --> 00:04:57,280 Speaker 1: last week or so to mark up the various components 90 00:04:57,320 --> 00:05:00,279 Speaker 1: of bad jurisdiction of her. Obviously the ways in and 91 00:05:00,400 --> 00:05:04,520 Speaker 1: energy and commerce UM components are the big ones. They're 92 00:05:04,640 --> 00:05:08,000 Speaker 1: racing to this deadline. Whether yeah, we see the final 93 00:05:08,040 --> 00:05:12,279 Speaker 1: details tomorrow or shortly thereafter. I do think you'll see 94 00:05:12,360 --> 00:05:16,919 Speaker 1: bills marked up to the three point five trillion dollar range. Obviously, 95 00:05:16,920 --> 00:05:19,840 Speaker 1: our colleagues, um, you know in the Senate Center, Mansion 96 00:05:19,880 --> 00:05:23,320 Speaker 1: who I know well has said that might be too 97 00:05:23,400 --> 00:05:26,760 Speaker 1: big a price tag. I think you're going to find 98 00:05:27,120 --> 00:05:30,800 Speaker 1: the negotiation really starting and hopefully some of that's taking 99 00:05:30,800 --> 00:05:33,120 Speaker 1: place as we speak, and you know, we'll find some 100 00:05:33,200 --> 00:05:37,159 Speaker 1: middle ground there. We spoke with Brian Deese earlier today, 101 00:05:37,320 --> 00:05:42,000 Speaker 1: was just on Bloomberg Television talking about the crafting of 102 00:05:42,040 --> 00:05:45,359 Speaker 1: the bill and specifically the tax package, the way that 103 00:05:45,440 --> 00:05:47,960 Speaker 1: Democrats would get to that three to three and a 104 00:05:48,000 --> 00:05:50,360 Speaker 1: half trillion dollar mark. Here's what he said. You've seen 105 00:05:50,440 --> 00:05:52,280 Speaker 1: Chairman Neil in the Ways a Means Committee, which is 106 00:05:52,360 --> 00:05:55,480 Speaker 1: representative of a pretty broad cross section of the Democratic Caucus, 107 00:05:55,720 --> 00:05:58,400 Speaker 1: putting together a package that it's not everything that the 108 00:05:58,400 --> 00:06:02,640 Speaker 1: President called for, but it goes at the core issues 109 00:06:02,680 --> 00:06:06,200 Speaker 1: we face in our tax code, bringing some fairness, having 110 00:06:06,200 --> 00:06:09,320 Speaker 1: an international tax reform to actually bring more coherence, more 111 00:06:09,320 --> 00:06:12,960 Speaker 1: competitiveness to our tax system, and cutting taxes for fifty 112 00:06:12,960 --> 00:06:16,080 Speaker 1: million Americans four million small businesses. So we're seeing real 113 00:06:16,360 --> 00:06:20,000 Speaker 1: progress on that front. Of course, Congressman, you'd be raising 114 00:06:20,040 --> 00:06:23,240 Speaker 1: taxes on corporations and the wealthy, but are you raising 115 00:06:23,320 --> 00:06:25,160 Speaker 1: them enough. The numbers that we saw come out of 116 00:06:25,160 --> 00:06:27,520 Speaker 1: the Ways and Means Committee, twenty six and a half 117 00:06:27,520 --> 00:06:31,000 Speaker 1: percent corporate capital gains were below those asked for by 118 00:06:31,040 --> 00:06:35,040 Speaker 1: the President himself. Yeah, I know the President asked for um, 119 00:06:35,720 --> 00:06:39,279 Speaker 1: you know, I certainly feel confident that the floral will 120 00:06:39,320 --> 00:06:41,920 Speaker 1: be at five. If we can get twenty six from 121 00:06:41,960 --> 00:06:43,520 Speaker 1: a half, that does give us a little bit more 122 00:06:43,520 --> 00:06:46,400 Speaker 1: revenue to to play with it. You know, I think 123 00:06:46,440 --> 00:06:50,600 Speaker 1: twenty five is definitely gettable. I don't think there'll be 124 00:06:50,720 --> 00:06:56,440 Speaker 1: a ton of bite on raising the upper rates one 125 00:06:56,560 --> 00:06:59,640 Speaker 1: six and then. I do think there'll be some battles 126 00:06:59,640 --> 00:07:03,960 Speaker 1: around you capital gains, carried interest and and the like there. 127 00:07:03,960 --> 00:07:06,640 Speaker 1: But you know, we would like to see this paid 128 00:07:06,680 --> 00:07:10,160 Speaker 1: for to the extent possible. So I do think if 129 00:07:10,240 --> 00:07:12,920 Speaker 1: that's where you know, you're gonna have some tough negotiations 130 00:07:12,920 --> 00:07:15,280 Speaker 1: take place. If that means a number lower than three 131 00:07:15,360 --> 00:07:20,640 Speaker 1: and a half trillion dollars, would you still accept it? Um? Yeah, 132 00:07:20,960 --> 00:07:24,120 Speaker 1: I think it depends on what the actual content of 133 00:07:24,200 --> 00:07:26,640 Speaker 1: the bill is. You know, if it helps the vast 134 00:07:26,680 --> 00:07:30,880 Speaker 1: majority of middle class um lower income Americans, if it 135 00:07:31,600 --> 00:07:34,880 Speaker 1: addresses some of the Greek gaps, that it addresses the 136 00:07:34,920 --> 00:07:38,680 Speaker 1: cost of healthcare and pharmaceuticals, um, maybe not to the 137 00:07:38,720 --> 00:07:40,680 Speaker 1: extent that that some of the party would want, but 138 00:07:40,800 --> 00:07:45,200 Speaker 1: does give us a significant downtainment on helping the next generation, 139 00:07:45,800 --> 00:07:48,480 Speaker 1: then I do think it's a bill that you might 140 00:07:48,520 --> 00:07:51,920 Speaker 1: find most democrafts supporting I want to ask you, a Congressman, 141 00:07:51,960 --> 00:07:54,560 Speaker 1: about your work through the House Foreign Affairs Committee and 142 00:07:54,560 --> 00:07:57,520 Speaker 1: work on your own to help resettle Afghans. And I 143 00:07:57,600 --> 00:08:00,640 Speaker 1: understand that you're in the process doing that as we 144 00:08:00,680 --> 00:08:04,760 Speaker 1: speak in the suburbs of Sacramento and probably elsewhere. But 145 00:08:04,840 --> 00:08:07,080 Speaker 1: we've been hearing from the Secretary of State Anthony B. 146 00:08:07,080 --> 00:08:10,920 Speaker 1: Lincoln speak about ongoing evacuations in a series of hearings 147 00:08:11,080 --> 00:08:14,200 Speaker 1: in the House and Senate today yesterday. Is the United 148 00:08:14,240 --> 00:08:16,880 Speaker 1: States doing enough to try to get people out, even 149 00:08:16,880 --> 00:08:19,160 Speaker 1: though the US military is not there on the ground, 150 00:08:20,520 --> 00:08:24,040 Speaker 1: you know. And Sacramento County has the largest population of 151 00:08:24,080 --> 00:08:28,320 Speaker 1: Afghan refugees in the United States. And my office by 152 00:08:28,320 --> 00:08:32,520 Speaker 1: itself has submitted the names of over ten thousand individuals 153 00:08:32,559 --> 00:08:37,559 Speaker 1: American citizens, Vista holders, some of the translators, and others 154 00:08:37,559 --> 00:08:41,400 Speaker 1: that supported our troops another Afghans at risk, UM, many 155 00:08:41,480 --> 00:08:46,600 Speaker 1: of who are still in country. I wish um the 156 00:08:46,679 --> 00:08:49,520 Speaker 1: withdrawal would have been handled slightly differently. I don't think 157 00:08:49,559 --> 00:08:53,360 Speaker 1: anyone antistigated as quick. A collapsive couple in the Afghan 158 00:08:53,440 --> 00:08:57,240 Speaker 1: government has occurred. Um. But we are where we are, 159 00:08:57,400 --> 00:09:00,520 Speaker 1: you know. My question to Secretary of Lincoln yester Day was, 160 00:09:01,160 --> 00:09:04,000 Speaker 1: while nobody can guarantee that everyone who wants to get 161 00:09:04,000 --> 00:09:08,120 Speaker 1: out will get out, and he guarantee that we will 162 00:09:08,160 --> 00:09:11,800 Speaker 1: do everything within our power to get all American citizens 163 00:09:11,800 --> 00:09:16,480 Speaker 1: besa holders another at risks Afghans out, and he gave 164 00:09:16,520 --> 00:09:19,679 Speaker 1: me an affirmative yes. So you know, it's my expectation 165 00:09:19,760 --> 00:09:23,520 Speaker 1: that we will continue to use whatever resources we have 166 00:09:23,640 --> 00:09:29,080 Speaker 1: diplomatically through back channels. You know, I don't yeah, whether 167 00:09:29,080 --> 00:09:32,640 Speaker 1: it's special operations and others. Um. I'm doing everything I 168 00:09:32,679 --> 00:09:36,520 Speaker 1: can to get vulnerable folks from my district who are 169 00:09:36,559 --> 00:09:40,320 Speaker 1: still in country out, um. And then when they get here, 170 00:09:41,120 --> 00:09:44,319 Speaker 1: you know, we're gonna have to welcome them and make 171 00:09:44,360 --> 00:09:48,400 Speaker 1: sure we appropriate the resources to help them put their 172 00:09:48,400 --> 00:09:51,520 Speaker 1: lives back together and resettle and integrate to American society. 173 00:09:51,840 --> 00:09:54,079 Speaker 1: How many people are left in Afghanistan right now who 174 00:09:54,080 --> 00:09:58,160 Speaker 1: are reaching you for help? You know, I don't have 175 00:09:58,200 --> 00:10:00,840 Speaker 1: an exact number, because we also don't have a good 176 00:10:00,880 --> 00:10:04,240 Speaker 1: accounting of the folks that we've gotten out of country, 177 00:10:04,280 --> 00:10:06,719 Speaker 1: But I can tell you that my staff continues to 178 00:10:07,160 --> 00:10:11,839 Speaker 1: get direct phone calls from Afghanistan. And what we're doing 179 00:10:11,960 --> 00:10:15,560 Speaker 1: is we're making sure we're getting accurate information and contact 180 00:10:15,600 --> 00:10:18,320 Speaker 1: details to the State Department. And that's the best thing 181 00:10:18,400 --> 00:10:21,320 Speaker 1: any congressional office can do right now, is so when 182 00:10:21,360 --> 00:10:23,680 Speaker 1: that window does open up, and it could be a 183 00:10:23,720 --> 00:10:26,000 Speaker 1: brief window where you can get folks to an airport 184 00:10:26,360 --> 00:10:29,680 Speaker 1: or across the border, that there's accurate information when folks 185 00:10:29,720 --> 00:10:34,439 Speaker 1: in country are ready to move. We're talking with Congressman Amibarra, 186 00:10:34,520 --> 00:10:37,559 Speaker 1: Democrat from California, serves on the House Foreign Affairs Committee. 187 00:10:37,600 --> 00:10:43,679 Speaker 1: These must be desperate phone calls. They're they're very challenging 188 00:10:43,800 --> 00:10:47,680 Speaker 1: for my staff and others that are talking to these folks. 189 00:10:47,679 --> 00:10:52,280 Speaker 1: And while we don't have concrete guidance, again, we're sharing 190 00:10:52,320 --> 00:10:55,880 Speaker 1: whatever information we can and again making sure that you 191 00:10:56,200 --> 00:10:59,640 Speaker 1: State Department appropriate authorities have the information that they need. 192 00:11:00,000 --> 00:11:04,079 Speaker 1: Are these Americans and Afghans you're hearing from. Yes, So 193 00:11:04,240 --> 00:11:08,320 Speaker 1: there's some American citizens, there's obviously some PISA holders, and 194 00:11:08,400 --> 00:11:11,920 Speaker 1: there's some family members and individuals that have ties to 195 00:11:12,320 --> 00:11:15,840 Speaker 1: folks that are already living in my district. So there's 196 00:11:15,880 --> 00:11:20,080 Speaker 1: a desperation. And again, you know, we'll go back and 197 00:11:20,120 --> 00:11:24,880 Speaker 1: we'll do oversight, and you know, acid administration and others 198 00:11:24,920 --> 00:11:28,720 Speaker 1: that we're giving us information that turned out to be inaccurate. 199 00:11:29,720 --> 00:11:32,880 Speaker 1: Was that just bad assessment, bad data? Or were there 200 00:11:33,000 --> 00:11:35,200 Speaker 1: things that they weren't telling us And we're gonna want 201 00:11:35,240 --> 00:11:37,760 Speaker 1: to know that. But right now the focus is there's 202 00:11:37,760 --> 00:11:40,160 Speaker 1: still folks at risk and what's get them out. We'd 203 00:11:40,160 --> 00:11:42,319 Speaker 1: really like to stay in touch with you on that. Congressman, 204 00:11:42,320 --> 00:11:45,480 Speaker 1: I appreciate your being with us today. Congressmanami Bears, a 205 00:11:45,520 --> 00:11:48,520 Speaker 1: Democrat from California, obviously on the House Foreign Affairs Committee 206 00:11:48,520 --> 00:11:52,880 Speaker 1: and busy in the resettling process. You're listening to Bloomberg 207 00:11:52,960 --> 00:11:59,120 Speaker 1: You siwned on with Joe Matthew on Bloomberg Radio. Thanks 208 00:11:59,160 --> 00:12:02,320 Speaker 1: for being with us on the Tuesday edition of Sound 209 00:12:02,440 --> 00:12:04,520 Speaker 1: On as we keep an eye here on the West 210 00:12:04,600 --> 00:12:09,520 Speaker 1: coast this hour because it's another recall election in California. 211 00:12:10,520 --> 00:12:13,199 Speaker 1: We may have defeated Donald Trump, but we have not 212 00:12:13,840 --> 00:12:17,760 Speaker 1: defeated Trumpsom Trump is m is still on the ballot 213 00:12:18,000 --> 00:12:22,920 Speaker 1: in California. No One, whether it's Obama, whether it's Kamala Harris, 214 00:12:23,000 --> 00:12:25,840 Speaker 1: whether it's Ninty Pelosi, whether it's Bernie Sanders, no one 215 00:12:25,960 --> 00:12:28,920 Speaker 1: is uttered the following words. Revernor Gavin Newsom has done 216 00:12:28,920 --> 00:12:30,880 Speaker 1: a good job for the people of California. You won't 217 00:12:30,920 --> 00:12:33,560 Speaker 1: hear that because he has a sounds from the trail, 218 00:12:33,679 --> 00:12:35,920 Speaker 1: if we can call it, that's still Gavin Newsom, Larry 219 00:12:36,000 --> 00:12:39,000 Speaker 1: Elder there, as I read on the terminal, recent polls 220 00:12:39,040 --> 00:12:41,439 Speaker 1: indicate Newsom has the support to survive. That is the 221 00:12:41,600 --> 00:12:44,199 Speaker 1: conventional wisdom today. Going into this with a loss or 222 00:12:44,280 --> 00:12:47,800 Speaker 1: close race in a state like this one. It is California. 223 00:12:47,840 --> 00:12:51,360 Speaker 1: We're talking about Democrats out number Republicans registered by nearly 224 00:12:51,440 --> 00:12:54,960 Speaker 1: two to one, could signal trouble, as Christopher Paul Mary writes, 225 00:12:55,120 --> 00:12:58,640 Speaker 1: for the party nationally and the congressional midterms and the 226 00:12:59,160 --> 00:13:03,920 Speaker 1: looming not very nearby presidential election. Interesting though, that some 227 00:13:04,080 --> 00:13:06,760 Speaker 1: are considering this kind of a test drive here and 228 00:13:06,880 --> 00:13:10,240 Speaker 1: we're joined by the panel here, Bloomberg Politics contributor and 229 00:13:10,360 --> 00:13:14,920 Speaker 1: Democratic analyst Genie Chanzano and Republican strategist Jennifer Nassas with 230 00:13:15,000 --> 00:13:17,920 Speaker 1: us for the hour as well, founder of the Pocketbook Project. 231 00:13:18,320 --> 00:13:20,640 Speaker 1: Welcome to both of you. What's your thought, Genie as 232 00:13:20,720 --> 00:13:24,240 Speaker 1: we go into the real hours that count here tonight. 233 00:13:24,760 --> 00:13:27,599 Speaker 1: Happy election Day, Joe. I love it, um, you know, 234 00:13:28,040 --> 00:13:30,800 Speaker 1: I think it would be stunning and the polls would 235 00:13:30,840 --> 00:13:33,599 Speaker 1: have to be you know, entirely wrong, which we have 236 00:13:33,760 --> 00:13:36,400 Speaker 1: seen in the past, but it's unlikely with the two 237 00:13:36,440 --> 00:13:39,960 Speaker 1: to one advantage Democrats have that Gavin Newsom doesn't come 238 00:13:39,960 --> 00:13:43,040 Speaker 1: out ahead in this thing. That said, as you mentioned, 239 00:13:43,120 --> 00:13:45,000 Speaker 1: what we're going to be watching is you know, not 240 00:13:45,240 --> 00:13:48,080 Speaker 1: just turn out, but energy, which seems to be good. 241 00:13:48,440 --> 00:13:51,600 Speaker 1: And this is sort of a dry run for Democrats 242 00:13:51,679 --> 00:13:53,880 Speaker 1: on the mid term because they are going to be 243 00:13:54,040 --> 00:13:58,160 Speaker 1: testing these message and the nationalization of this race has 244 00:13:58,240 --> 00:14:02,000 Speaker 1: helped Gavin Newsom, so I think that's something that Democrats 245 00:14:02,080 --> 00:14:04,880 Speaker 1: are going to keep pushing. This is things like the 246 00:14:05,000 --> 00:14:09,199 Speaker 1: Texas abortion bill that's not going to impact California necessarily, 247 00:14:09,559 --> 00:14:11,640 Speaker 1: but it's something that you hear an awful lot about. 248 00:14:11,720 --> 00:14:13,920 Speaker 1: So they're going to try to nationalize. But you know, 249 00:14:14,080 --> 00:14:16,680 Speaker 1: as I keep saying, it is a sign of energy 250 00:14:16,800 --> 00:14:20,560 Speaker 1: in the Republican Party in California that Democrats have to watch. 251 00:14:21,040 --> 00:14:23,520 Speaker 1: They don't have the numbers yet, but there are warning 252 00:14:23,600 --> 00:14:26,800 Speaker 1: signs everything from homelessness to the economy in California that 253 00:14:26,920 --> 00:14:29,200 Speaker 1: Democrats have to be very careful about well to that 254 00:14:29,280 --> 00:14:31,080 Speaker 1: in Jennifer, is this a dry run in a way 255 00:14:31,160 --> 00:14:32,960 Speaker 1: for Republicans as well. At least they get to sit 256 00:14:33,040 --> 00:14:35,760 Speaker 1: back and sort of check the playbook the Democrats will 257 00:14:35,760 --> 00:14:38,840 Speaker 1: be using. Yeah, I mean, you know, I love je 258 00:14:38,840 --> 00:14:42,520 Speaker 1: needs analysis, and I think that she's exactly on point. 259 00:14:43,000 --> 00:14:46,480 Speaker 1: Um right, shoking a Republican and Democrat actually agree on something. 260 00:14:47,240 --> 00:14:49,600 Speaker 1: UM happens more often than you think on this program, 261 00:14:50,200 --> 00:14:53,320 Speaker 1: a lot more often, and especially you know, I think 262 00:14:53,600 --> 00:14:55,560 Speaker 1: I think we need a lot more of that. UM. 263 00:14:55,880 --> 00:14:59,200 Speaker 1: I do think it's a dry run because regardless of 264 00:14:59,320 --> 00:15:02,920 Speaker 1: where Larry Elder comes out, he's been making news and 265 00:15:03,160 --> 00:15:05,480 Speaker 1: he has has been rocking the boat and you know, 266 00:15:05,680 --> 00:15:08,920 Speaker 1: has had news from honest feet enough so that Elizabeth 267 00:15:08,960 --> 00:15:12,920 Speaker 1: Warren was out, you know, something for news them. So 268 00:15:13,000 --> 00:15:15,320 Speaker 1: I think that that's you know, a really important factor 269 00:15:15,320 --> 00:15:17,000 Speaker 1: to look at. I think it'll be great to see 270 00:15:17,080 --> 00:15:20,600 Speaker 1: the poll numbers what actually happens. But it has um 271 00:15:20,880 --> 00:15:25,200 Speaker 1: really ignited the Republican Party in California because you know, 272 00:15:25,320 --> 00:15:30,480 Speaker 1: they weren't everyone isn't for Larry Elder. Um. However, it 273 00:15:30,680 --> 00:15:34,760 Speaker 1: gets them out campaigning in a non traditional campaign year, 274 00:15:35,240 --> 00:15:37,920 Speaker 1: and it gets them motivated, and it gets the message 275 00:15:38,040 --> 00:15:41,160 Speaker 1: is tested. And just like you know, Jeanie said about 276 00:15:41,240 --> 00:15:43,840 Speaker 1: the Texas abortion law. I think more importantly what we 277 00:15:43,960 --> 00:15:46,960 Speaker 1: see is how about consumer prices that have gone up 278 00:15:47,040 --> 00:15:50,160 Speaker 1: by sports three percent since last year? Or how about 279 00:15:50,200 --> 00:15:53,840 Speaker 1: what's going on in Afghanistan and the um you know, 280 00:15:53,920 --> 00:15:57,400 Speaker 1: and the hearings today, how about the COVID crisis. So 281 00:15:57,520 --> 00:15:59,280 Speaker 1: I think that there's so much out there that we 282 00:15:59,360 --> 00:16:03,440 Speaker 1: can have stations about. And overall, when we have elections 283 00:16:03,480 --> 00:16:07,120 Speaker 1: next year, so many governors, so many legislators, legislatures are 284 00:16:07,240 --> 00:16:09,680 Speaker 1: up for re election, I think, and you know, and 285 00:16:09,880 --> 00:16:13,520 Speaker 1: then members of Congress. I think that is really where 286 00:16:13,760 --> 00:16:15,440 Speaker 1: that the pedal is going to hit, the medal from 287 00:16:15,880 --> 00:16:18,640 Speaker 1: both parties, hence the playbook. So just quickly, Jennifer, does 288 00:16:18,680 --> 00:16:20,560 Speaker 1: it mean more to you as a Republican to have 289 00:16:20,600 --> 00:16:23,400 Speaker 1: Elizabeth Warren come out to California to stump for Gavin 290 00:16:23,440 --> 00:16:30,840 Speaker 1: Newsom than Joe Biden? Um? Well, I live in Akut's so, um, 291 00:16:31,040 --> 00:16:33,440 Speaker 1: you know, it means something to me because she's not 292 00:16:33,560 --> 00:16:35,920 Speaker 1: doing to work for Massachusetts. But we knew she wasn't 293 00:16:35,920 --> 00:16:37,880 Speaker 1: going to do, so it's more, well, I just mean 294 00:16:37,920 --> 00:16:42,160 Speaker 1: in terms of progressive credentials. Yeah, I definitely I think 295 00:16:42,200 --> 00:16:44,760 Speaker 1: that I think that that's showing where the Democratic Party 296 00:16:44,840 --> 00:16:47,120 Speaker 1: is right now right, the Democratic Party can't find its 297 00:16:47,160 --> 00:16:50,040 Speaker 1: way back to the JFK days because it's so far 298 00:16:50,200 --> 00:16:52,920 Speaker 1: over to the left. And it would be nice to 299 00:16:53,120 --> 00:16:58,040 Speaker 1: show voters that really we can all agree to disagree, 300 00:16:58,200 --> 00:17:01,120 Speaker 1: have different policy perspectives, but a sit at the same table. 301 00:17:01,360 --> 00:17:03,320 Speaker 1: And I think we have someone like Elizabeth Warren, who's 302 00:17:03,320 --> 00:17:06,880 Speaker 1: such a polarizing figure going out to California that really 303 00:17:06,920 --> 00:17:10,240 Speaker 1: sends a message to not just Republicans but moderate What 304 00:17:10,320 --> 00:17:13,919 Speaker 1: does this conversation say to Eugenie as the Democrat more 305 00:17:14,000 --> 00:17:16,840 Speaker 1: than familiar with this whole cast that's sort of the 306 00:17:16,960 --> 00:17:21,679 Speaker 1: broad swath of the Democratic Party there, from progressive to moderate, 307 00:17:21,800 --> 00:17:24,280 Speaker 1: going to California to make the case, What does that 308 00:17:24,359 --> 00:17:27,119 Speaker 1: say about Gavin Newsom? Which which part of the party 309 00:17:27,240 --> 00:17:31,480 Speaker 1: is he? You know, I think Gavin Newsom is tends 310 00:17:31,520 --> 00:17:33,960 Speaker 1: to be more a bit more on the moderate side 311 00:17:34,040 --> 00:17:38,360 Speaker 1: of things. Um, But I do think that Democrats, regardless moderate, progressive, 312 00:17:38,359 --> 00:17:42,000 Speaker 1: and any pewhere in between conservative, they feel it is 313 00:17:42,080 --> 00:17:45,879 Speaker 1: important obviously that he not become the second governor in 314 00:17:45,920 --> 00:17:49,720 Speaker 1: California's history to be recalled. If nothing else, the implications 315 00:17:49,880 --> 00:17:53,400 Speaker 1: nationally on something like an open Senate seat or something 316 00:17:53,520 --> 00:17:56,840 Speaker 1: like that would be traumatic for Democrats. So I think 317 00:17:56,960 --> 00:17:59,840 Speaker 1: regardless of whether they agree with everything he does or not, 318 00:18:00,359 --> 00:18:02,200 Speaker 1: they want to keep him there. But you know, I 319 00:18:02,320 --> 00:18:05,760 Speaker 1: would say another element of this that we're seeing is 320 00:18:06,320 --> 00:18:09,280 Speaker 1: on both sides. We're seeing, for instance, the Republicans talking 321 00:18:09,280 --> 00:18:11,920 Speaker 1: about the election being stolen before it's even come out 322 00:18:11,960 --> 00:18:14,400 Speaker 1: because they are concerned they've lost this thing. That's something 323 00:18:14,480 --> 00:18:16,280 Speaker 1: we're going to continue to see as we go into 324 00:18:16,320 --> 00:18:18,960 Speaker 1: the mid term, that that message is going to be 325 00:18:19,040 --> 00:18:21,800 Speaker 1: out there. The polls closed in Boston in less than 326 00:18:21,920 --> 00:18:25,399 Speaker 1: three hours as voters choose to finalists for mayor, one 327 00:18:25,480 --> 00:18:28,240 Speaker 1: of whom we'll fill the seat that Marty Walsh left 328 00:18:28,280 --> 00:18:31,199 Speaker 1: when he became Labor Secretary. And we're joined now by 329 00:18:31,240 --> 00:18:35,280 Speaker 1: the Dean of Boston political journalist John Keller from CBS 330 00:18:35,440 --> 00:18:39,520 Speaker 1: in Boston. Welcome John to Bloomberg Radio. Thanks for having me. Joe, 331 00:18:39,920 --> 00:18:42,560 Speaker 1: so put this in perspective for us. No matter who wins, 332 00:18:43,080 --> 00:18:46,840 Speaker 1: the result will be historic. Boston's never had a mayor 333 00:18:46,880 --> 00:18:49,800 Speaker 1: of color, never had a female mayor. Four of the 334 00:18:49,880 --> 00:18:54,840 Speaker 1: five candidates are our female. They all identify as people 335 00:18:54,920 --> 00:18:57,280 Speaker 1: of color. One is Asian American, the other is of 336 00:18:57,440 --> 00:19:01,600 Speaker 1: Moroccan descent, and the other you're black. So yeah, it'll 337 00:19:01,680 --> 00:19:05,320 Speaker 1: be something new, although I would point out that the 338 00:19:05,720 --> 00:19:10,840 Speaker 1: rise of black and Latino political power in Boston has 339 00:19:10,880 --> 00:19:14,359 Speaker 1: been a story that goes back nearly a decade. Uh. 340 00:19:14,760 --> 00:19:19,320 Speaker 1: Take note of the fact that uh, four of the candidates, 341 00:19:20,160 --> 00:19:23,600 Speaker 1: the four women, are all members of the Boston City Council. 342 00:19:24,680 --> 00:19:28,960 Speaker 1: Uh and so uh and and one of the Michelle Wou, 343 00:19:29,200 --> 00:19:32,080 Speaker 1: the front runner according to the polls, is someone who's 344 00:19:32,160 --> 00:19:36,440 Speaker 1: topped the ticket citywide the last two election cycles. So 345 00:19:37,000 --> 00:19:39,360 Speaker 1: in a sense, it's not new, but it certainly would 346 00:19:39,400 --> 00:19:42,840 Speaker 1: be a new evolutionary step. Well, with all that said, 347 00:19:43,160 --> 00:19:45,920 Speaker 1: you've got Michelle Wou, the city counselor the darling of 348 00:19:46,880 --> 00:19:49,840 Speaker 1: young progressives even before this race, right, the Free t 349 00:19:50,200 --> 00:19:54,320 Speaker 1: Rent control a local Green New Deal. So let's assume 350 00:19:54,600 --> 00:19:58,000 Speaker 1: that Michelle Wu councilor Wu is in the top spot, 351 00:19:58,080 --> 00:20:00,960 Speaker 1: then this really becomes a race for second to fight 352 00:20:01,000 --> 00:20:03,840 Speaker 1: for second place, John Keller, what about the power of 353 00:20:03,920 --> 00:20:07,920 Speaker 1: incumbency Based on what you just said, Kim Janie the 354 00:20:08,000 --> 00:20:10,040 Speaker 1: first woman, the first person of color to leave the 355 00:20:10,119 --> 00:20:12,760 Speaker 1: city in the wake in this case of Marty Walsh 356 00:20:13,000 --> 00:20:16,920 Speaker 1: going to Washington to be Labor secretary is not automatically 357 00:20:17,320 --> 00:20:21,240 Speaker 1: a front runner. How Come everyone in the pundit class 358 00:20:21,280 --> 00:20:25,800 Speaker 1: here in Boston, including yours, truly figured that Janie's stint 359 00:20:25,920 --> 00:20:29,440 Speaker 1: as acting mayor would give her just a huge advantage visibility, 360 00:20:29,560 --> 00:20:32,720 Speaker 1: ability to be on the news every night, the opportunity 361 00:20:32,800 --> 00:20:35,919 Speaker 1: to do a lot of crowd pleasing things. It hasn't 362 00:20:35,960 --> 00:20:40,120 Speaker 1: worked out that way. Jane's months in office have been 363 00:20:40,240 --> 00:20:45,159 Speaker 1: marked by a string of controversis uh, most not of 364 00:20:45,240 --> 00:20:48,720 Speaker 1: her own making, but certainly things that erupted on her watch. 365 00:20:49,080 --> 00:20:53,960 Speaker 1: A huge uproar over her firing of the police commissioner 366 00:20:54,040 --> 00:20:56,600 Speaker 1: who had been appointed by Walsh on his way out 367 00:20:56,640 --> 00:21:00,439 Speaker 1: the door. Uh, and that's still a matter of legal battle. 368 00:21:01,240 --> 00:21:05,560 Speaker 1: A controversy over how admissions would be handled to the 369 00:21:05,680 --> 00:21:10,359 Speaker 1: city's premier examination school, the Boston Latin School, the oldest 370 00:21:10,400 --> 00:21:14,080 Speaker 1: public high school in America, a place long seen as 371 00:21:14,240 --> 00:21:20,639 Speaker 1: a refuge from otherwise mediocre Boston public schools by the 372 00:21:20,760 --> 00:21:24,639 Speaker 1: city's middle class. Uh. And there have been efforts to 373 00:21:25,200 --> 00:21:27,960 Speaker 1: make it less of a meritocracy there in order to 374 00:21:28,040 --> 00:21:31,480 Speaker 1: make it a more diverse student body. That's been highly controversial. 375 00:21:31,560 --> 00:21:35,480 Speaker 1: And then, of course there's been uh the pandemic, which 376 00:21:35,560 --> 00:21:38,200 Speaker 1: has forced acting Mayor Janey to make a number of 377 00:21:38,280 --> 00:21:44,040 Speaker 1: controversial decisions and forced really an unforced error on her 378 00:21:44,080 --> 00:21:47,800 Speaker 1: own part when she balked at the idea of vaccine 379 00:21:47,840 --> 00:21:52,040 Speaker 1: passports by comparing them to Jim Crow error laws that 380 00:21:52,200 --> 00:21:56,600 Speaker 1: required freed black men to show their papers on demand. 381 00:21:57,440 --> 00:21:59,879 Speaker 1: Uh and also equated it with the birth There is 382 00:22:00,240 --> 00:22:05,240 Speaker 1: crusade propagated by Donald Trump and others that created a 383 00:22:05,359 --> 00:22:09,520 Speaker 1: stir that didn't work well for Jenie. So it has 384 00:22:09,640 --> 00:22:13,240 Speaker 1: turned out that this audition that was supposed to really 385 00:22:13,320 --> 00:22:16,399 Speaker 1: help her has been at best a mixed blessing. And 386 00:22:16,640 --> 00:22:19,560 Speaker 1: knowing that Marty Walsh is not the former mayor, of 387 00:22:19,680 --> 00:22:22,479 Speaker 1: course is not delivering an endorsement in this case as 388 00:22:22,520 --> 00:22:26,320 Speaker 1: he now works for Joe Biden in Washington. How powerful 389 00:22:26,440 --> 00:22:28,280 Speaker 1: would that have been and what kind of a vacuum 390 00:22:28,320 --> 00:22:31,160 Speaker 1: did it leave? Well, you know what, You're right, he's 391 00:22:31,200 --> 00:22:34,879 Speaker 1: not allowed to endorse. But just the other day on 392 00:22:35,040 --> 00:22:39,040 Speaker 1: every local newscast here in Boston, there was video of 393 00:22:39,119 --> 00:22:44,000 Speaker 1: Anissa Sybe George, one of the five candidates, escorting her 394 00:22:44,160 --> 00:22:47,639 Speaker 1: mother to the polls to cast an early vote, and 395 00:22:47,720 --> 00:22:53,320 Speaker 1: along with them longtime family friend Marty Walsh's mother, and 396 00:22:53,560 --> 00:22:58,480 Speaker 1: they did that. That's right. They grew up near each other. 397 00:22:59,440 --> 00:23:04,280 Speaker 1: And Sybee George, even before that publicity stunt, had made 398 00:23:04,320 --> 00:23:07,080 Speaker 1: it clear she was running as the candidate for people 399 00:23:07,200 --> 00:23:09,920 Speaker 1: that loved Marty Walsh. And you know what, according to 400 00:23:09,960 --> 00:23:13,520 Speaker 1: the latest polls, he's still pulling it close to sevent 401 00:23:14,119 --> 00:23:17,520 Speaker 1: approval here in the city. So to whatever extent this 402 00:23:17,680 --> 00:23:20,359 Speaker 1: election winds up being a referendum on the Walsh years, 403 00:23:20,800 --> 00:23:24,080 Speaker 1: that's good news for Anissa Sybee George. How big of 404 00:23:24,119 --> 00:23:26,600 Speaker 1: a story is turnout going to be, John, I'm assuming well, 405 00:23:26,600 --> 00:23:29,119 Speaker 1: of course it always is, but specific neighborhoods are going 406 00:23:29,160 --> 00:23:31,639 Speaker 1: to determine the outcome of this election, right, That's right. 407 00:23:31,720 --> 00:23:35,959 Speaker 1: Turnout is everything here, Joe, and the most reliable voting 408 00:23:36,200 --> 00:23:40,560 Speaker 1: parts of the city that the neighborhoods that historically uh 409 00:23:40,840 --> 00:23:46,080 Speaker 1: turnout in the largest numbers are predominantly white, working class 410 00:23:46,119 --> 00:23:50,159 Speaker 1: and middle class neighborhoods, the southern reaches of Dorchester A, 411 00:23:50,280 --> 00:23:55,360 Speaker 1: West Roxbury, South Boston and Charlestown more blue collar neighborhoods. 412 00:23:56,040 --> 00:23:59,840 Speaker 1: If it's a low turnout race citywide, and the turn 413 00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:03,960 Speaker 1: out that does occur is driven by these traditional hotbeds 414 00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:08,560 Speaker 1: of voting. Again, more good news for a Nissa sybe George. However, 415 00:24:09,119 --> 00:24:15,120 Speaker 1: given the presence of impressive black candidates, including the acting mayor, 416 00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:18,639 Speaker 1: there's been an expectation that there would be a larger 417 00:24:18,720 --> 00:24:23,440 Speaker 1: than normal turnout of voters of color. Uh and that 418 00:24:24,160 --> 00:24:30,400 Speaker 1: would certainly help Kim Janey Andrea Campbell, another African American 419 00:24:31,040 --> 00:24:34,439 Speaker 1: city councilor who's in a flat footed tie with Janey 420 00:24:34,480 --> 00:24:38,880 Speaker 1: and the Poles. The problem for that scenario of Boston's 421 00:24:38,920 --> 00:24:41,880 Speaker 1: first black mayor is that, guess what. The Black vote 422 00:24:41,920 --> 00:24:48,800 Speaker 1: in Boston is not monolithic. It's it's very diverse by age, class, genealogy, 423 00:24:49,560 --> 00:24:52,840 Speaker 1: and that vote, according to all the polls, is splintering 424 00:24:53,280 --> 00:24:58,920 Speaker 1: between Janey Campbell and John Barrows, another black candidate, Michelle Woo, 425 00:24:59,080 --> 00:25:01,200 Speaker 1: the front runner, is getting her share of it, and 426 00:25:01,600 --> 00:25:05,760 Speaker 1: Anissa saybe George is getting some. So you know, Boston 427 00:25:06,080 --> 00:25:09,720 Speaker 1: is not a cookie cutter kind of place where you 428 00:25:09,800 --> 00:25:14,560 Speaker 1: can make these sweeping assumptions based on racer ethnicity and 429 00:25:14,760 --> 00:25:17,040 Speaker 1: be assured that they're going to come true. Joe a 430 00:25:17,080 --> 00:25:20,080 Speaker 1: beautiful collection of neighborhoods we call the city of Boston, 431 00:25:20,359 --> 00:25:23,359 Speaker 1: and he is the sage of politics in that town. 432 00:25:23,680 --> 00:25:27,240 Speaker 1: John Keller at Large with w b Z and CBS. 433 00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:30,360 Speaker 1: It's great to have you with us on Bloomberg Radio. John, 434 00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:32,840 Speaker 1: we'll talk when we get some results. Thank you. Joe, 435 00:25:33,720 --> 00:25:37,479 Speaker 1: you're listening to Bloomberg. You sound on with Joe Mathew 436 00:25:37,880 --> 00:25:43,320 Speaker 1: on Bloomberg Radio. The Final Bend on the fastest hour 437 00:25:43,400 --> 00:25:47,880 Speaker 1: in politics with votes being cast today in Boston where 438 00:25:47,960 --> 00:25:51,359 Speaker 1: it's a nonpartisan preliminary as they call it, sort of 439 00:25:51,480 --> 00:25:56,240 Speaker 1: like game of Survivor politics. Tonight, we start with five, 440 00:25:57,480 --> 00:26:00,200 Speaker 1: three will be off the island leaving to final listen. 441 00:26:00,280 --> 00:26:02,879 Speaker 1: As we were just discussing with John Keller, the result 442 00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:05,800 Speaker 1: will be historic, no matter who wins the first time 443 00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:09,159 Speaker 1: Boston will have a mayor not determined tonight, but no 444 00:26:09,320 --> 00:26:12,560 Speaker 1: matter what down the road will not be a white man. 445 00:26:13,920 --> 00:26:16,520 Speaker 1: And we'll have special election night coverage on our Boston station, 446 00:26:16,600 --> 00:26:18,239 Speaker 1: by the way, one O six one that begins at 447 00:26:18,280 --> 00:26:20,600 Speaker 1: eight pm. Listen in Boston on the radio or online 448 00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:23,639 Speaker 1: if you're an expat like me, And we reassemble the 449 00:26:23,640 --> 00:26:27,719 Speaker 1: panel now with Bloomberg's Politics contributor, Democratic analyst Genie Schanzano, 450 00:26:28,200 --> 00:26:31,000 Speaker 1: and Republican strategist Jennifer Nass, who are founder of the 451 00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:36,400 Speaker 1: Pocutbar Project and former Massachusetts GOP chair. So, Jennifer, I've 452 00:26:36,400 --> 00:26:38,560 Speaker 1: got to start with you this time. This is a 453 00:26:38,600 --> 00:26:41,440 Speaker 1: city of Boston that does not look like the place 454 00:26:41,480 --> 00:26:43,360 Speaker 1: a lot of us went to college in or maybe 455 00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:47,040 Speaker 1: grew up in. As we consider the change in politics, 456 00:26:47,640 --> 00:26:51,960 Speaker 1: this is actually an historic night. Regardless of who wins 457 00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:57,240 Speaker 1: the vote, it's one thousand percent is a historic night. 458 00:26:58,200 --> 00:27:00,159 Speaker 1: There is, first of all, you know, one of the 459 00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:02,879 Speaker 1: things and in Genie and I can celebrate this together 460 00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:07,679 Speaker 1: as women in this business. But there are four candidates 461 00:27:07,880 --> 00:27:11,280 Speaker 1: that are women out of the five. I mean just 462 00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:14,639 Speaker 1: that alone. I don't care what your politics are, but 463 00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:18,640 Speaker 1: that is remarkable in the city of Boston. Number two. 464 00:27:19,080 --> 00:27:23,080 Speaker 1: Boston is now a majority minority city, and I do 465 00:27:23,280 --> 00:27:27,800 Speaker 1: believe that it should be represented um and the mayor 466 00:27:27,920 --> 00:27:32,159 Speaker 1: should be what the city is, represents the city. It 467 00:27:32,320 --> 00:27:36,639 Speaker 1: just makes people feel more comfortable. Genie, you've been listening, 468 00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:39,280 Speaker 1: and of course you've been pretty well engaged in this 469 00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:42,720 Speaker 1: race in Boston. As we talked about with John, it's 470 00:27:42,760 --> 00:27:45,960 Speaker 1: all about turnout, right, But no matter who turns out 471 00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:48,520 Speaker 1: or who wins, this is going to be a remarkable 472 00:27:48,560 --> 00:27:51,399 Speaker 1: story to tell for for local politics certainly, but it 473 00:27:51,480 --> 00:27:54,639 Speaker 1: speaks to what's going on nationally. It does. And you know, 474 00:27:54,760 --> 00:27:57,679 Speaker 1: I want to echo what Jennifer said about the women 475 00:27:57,920 --> 00:28:00,639 Speaker 1: um that are in this race. These the for women. 476 00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:03,520 Speaker 1: And to add to that the fact that these are 477 00:28:03,600 --> 00:28:06,399 Speaker 1: women who have worked their way and you were just 478 00:28:06,560 --> 00:28:08,960 Speaker 1: talking about this when you were talking to John Keller, 479 00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:10,640 Speaker 1: who I could listen to all day. By the way, 480 00:28:10,920 --> 00:28:12,840 Speaker 1: the two of you, I love it. But you know, 481 00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:15,719 Speaker 1: he made he made the case that they're also members 482 00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:19,479 Speaker 1: of the Boston City Council. And you know, particularly at 483 00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:21,960 Speaker 1: a time when we've just had a president who came 484 00:28:22,119 --> 00:28:25,040 Speaker 1: from the business community, never having run for public office, 485 00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:29,320 Speaker 1: it's really refreshing to see people and particularly women working 486 00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:32,479 Speaker 1: their way up through the political system because that's how 487 00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:35,200 Speaker 1: you learned, that's that's where you get your grounding, and 488 00:28:35,520 --> 00:28:38,160 Speaker 1: so I think that's quite remarkable. I also think it's 489 00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:40,520 Speaker 1: important to say that the city has been changing in 490 00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:43,600 Speaker 1: this way for a long time. So while we are 491 00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:45,680 Speaker 1: getting it's getting a lot of tension today and in 492 00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:48,960 Speaker 1: this race, the changes have been coming for for many, 493 00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:51,600 Speaker 1: many years. And so all of these make it a 494 00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:53,600 Speaker 1: race really worth watching. And you know, as a New Yorker, 495 00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:55,560 Speaker 1: I can't help but say I'm sort of jealous of 496 00:28:55,680 --> 00:28:59,080 Speaker 1: the nonpartisan preliminary because we we just went through the 497 00:28:59,160 --> 00:29:01,040 Speaker 1: ranked choice and that was a bit of a mess. 498 00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:05,239 Speaker 1: So I do understand that Jennifer is back with us, 499 00:29:05,280 --> 00:29:07,880 Speaker 1: I'm glad to say. And you know, we heard, as 500 00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:09,840 Speaker 1: The New York Times noted over the weekend, they used 501 00:29:09,880 --> 00:29:14,120 Speaker 1: to call themselves sisters in service Jennifer. They were all 502 00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:18,160 Speaker 1: on the City Council together, Michelle Woo, who was expected 503 00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:21,280 Speaker 1: to carry the night, and then the three women who 504 00:29:21,320 --> 00:29:24,360 Speaker 1: are in a real contest for second place, and Nissa 505 00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:29,560 Speaker 1: sib George Andrea Campbell UH and the acting mayor Kim Jamie. 506 00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:32,360 Speaker 1: How ugly will it get or will it once this 507 00:29:32,480 --> 00:29:36,080 Speaker 1: turns into a real general election? Well, you know that's 508 00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:39,800 Speaker 1: that's awesome, because um it, I think what's going to 509 00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:42,760 Speaker 1: happen is so Michelle, who has been out there running 510 00:29:43,400 --> 00:29:47,320 Speaker 1: UH for years, she was challenging Marty Walsh while he 511 00:29:47,400 --> 00:29:50,160 Speaker 1: was still the mayor, and so I think what's going 512 00:29:50,240 --> 00:29:53,880 Speaker 1: to happen is she's gonna flatline. Her numbers aren't gonna 513 00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:58,000 Speaker 1: go up. I think you're going to see whoever it 514 00:29:58,240 --> 00:30:03,400 Speaker 1: is in second place gain the votes of the other three. Um. 515 00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:07,840 Speaker 1: John Barrows unfortunately, you know, he ran a good, a 516 00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:09,920 Speaker 1: good race and stayed in there. But I think with 517 00:30:10,040 --> 00:30:12,760 Speaker 1: the with all the women, he had no chance from 518 00:30:12,800 --> 00:30:16,760 Speaker 1: the very beginning. Um and so his numbers, I think 519 00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:19,280 Speaker 1: his his people will end up going to the second 520 00:30:19,280 --> 00:30:22,880 Speaker 1: place candidate, because I think that everyone is a little 521 00:30:22,920 --> 00:30:26,000 Speaker 1: bit you know, Look, politics is a sport, right Michelle 522 00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:28,080 Speaker 1: who got in first. Just because she was first doesn't 523 00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:30,120 Speaker 1: mean that she should win. And so I think that 524 00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:34,240 Speaker 1: the people who follow her, they'll all gravitate to number two. 525 00:30:34,640 --> 00:30:37,920 Speaker 1: Plus Michelle Woose politics are really far left. That isn't 526 00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:40,360 Speaker 1: the politics of the city. And I do think that 527 00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:43,320 Speaker 1: the other candidates have found their footing along the way 528 00:30:43,560 --> 00:30:46,200 Speaker 1: and we'll be able to garner the support of of 529 00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:51,000 Speaker 1: the whoever drops out. Yeah, we should be clear as well. Jennifer, 530 00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:53,360 Speaker 1: you've been public about your support for Andrea Campbell. That's 531 00:30:53,480 --> 00:30:58,480 Speaker 1: isn't that right? Correct? Yes, she's she's a good friend 532 00:30:58,520 --> 00:31:02,920 Speaker 1: and old friend, um and and but I have respect 533 00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:05,239 Speaker 1: for everyone who's running. I do know them. I ran 534 00:31:05,320 --> 00:31:07,920 Speaker 1: Foston City Council, so I did spend time with each 535 00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:12,560 Speaker 1: of them on different occasions, and I think you know, 536 00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:15,760 Speaker 1: whoever gets that number two spots has a real opportunity 537 00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:17,680 Speaker 1: to be the next night. Are It's gonna be something. 538 00:31:17,880 --> 00:31:20,000 Speaker 1: It's going to be quite a night tonight. Join us 539 00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:22,360 Speaker 1: again starting eight o'clock if you're in Boston one or 540 00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:25,080 Speaker 1: six one radio. You can also find it online. I 541 00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:28,000 Speaker 1: want to ask you both about a hearing that we 542 00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:32,240 Speaker 1: talked about at the beginning of the broadcast with Congressman 543 00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:35,480 Speaker 1: Amy Bearra of California, one of I think it was 544 00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:40,040 Speaker 1: fifty lawmakers asking questions uh to Anthony blink In, the 545 00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:43,040 Speaker 1: Secretary of State. And this thing took an interesting turn 546 00:31:43,120 --> 00:31:46,640 Speaker 1: today as it moved to the Senate size and the 547 00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:51,640 Speaker 1: ranking member, Senator James Rich, Republican from Idaho, decided to 548 00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:56,520 Speaker 1: go after Blinkin on on a completely I guess we 549 00:31:56,640 --> 00:32:00,720 Speaker 1: could say, off topic topic here sig asking that there 550 00:32:00,840 --> 00:32:02,880 Speaker 1: was a man behind the curtain at the White House 551 00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:06,560 Speaker 1: in control of the President's microphone. This is only a 552 00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:10,200 Speaker 1: portion of an extended exchange between the Senator and the 553 00:32:10,280 --> 00:32:12,280 Speaker 1: Secretary of State, and I'll ask you both of just 554 00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:15,560 Speaker 1: what this was all about. Somebody in the White House 555 00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:18,640 Speaker 1: has authority to press the button and stop the president, 556 00:32:18,840 --> 00:32:22,520 Speaker 1: cut off the president's speaking ability and sound. Who is 557 00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:26,520 Speaker 1: that person? I think anyone who knows the president, including 558 00:32:26,560 --> 00:32:30,360 Speaker 1: members of this committee, knows that, Uh, he speaks very 559 00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:35,280 Speaker 1: clearly and very deliberately for himself. Uh, no one else does. 560 00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:38,400 Speaker 1: Well are you are you saying that there's no one 561 00:32:38,560 --> 00:32:40,640 Speaker 1: in the White House that can cut him off? Because 562 00:32:40,760 --> 00:32:43,480 Speaker 1: yesterday that happened, It's happened a number of times before that. 563 00:32:43,880 --> 00:32:47,240 Speaker 1: It's been widely reported that somebody has the ability to 564 00:32:47,320 --> 00:32:50,160 Speaker 1: push the button and cut off his sound and stopping 565 00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:54,320 Speaker 1: from speaking. Who is that person? There is? There is 566 00:32:54,360 --> 00:32:58,360 Speaker 1: no such person. Again, it went nowhere in what the 567 00:32:58,480 --> 00:33:02,480 Speaker 1: Washington Post referred to as a made for cable news attack, 568 00:33:02,560 --> 00:33:06,080 Speaker 1: and yesterday Hunter Biden was invoked other scandals that had 569 00:33:06,120 --> 00:33:08,680 Speaker 1: little to do with the conversation. And I wonder what 570 00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:11,440 Speaker 1: you both think of this. Was there an actual strategy 571 00:33:11,560 --> 00:33:14,640 Speaker 1: here on behalf of the senator or Republicans working on 572 00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:20,880 Speaker 1: campaign commercials right now? Jennifer Um, I do think it's 573 00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:24,880 Speaker 1: a waste of taxpayer dollars to to be going down 574 00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:27,600 Speaker 1: that road when we should be talking about what's what's 575 00:33:27,600 --> 00:33:31,240 Speaker 1: going on in Afghanistan. Um, I think, you know, it's 576 00:33:31,280 --> 00:33:36,960 Speaker 1: probably trying to get to the around a conversation of 577 00:33:37,320 --> 00:33:41,920 Speaker 1: who who really was guiding the president on what happened 578 00:33:41,960 --> 00:33:44,920 Speaker 1: in Afghanistan and the sudden withdrawal of troops and the 579 00:33:45,040 --> 00:33:47,600 Speaker 1: lives that were lost. And I think that that he 580 00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:49,960 Speaker 1: was trying to make his point. It was made in 581 00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:52,280 Speaker 1: a very sore manner, and I think that's what he 582 00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:54,280 Speaker 1: was trying to do. Well, look, so let me know 583 00:33:54,320 --> 00:33:55,400 Speaker 1: what a couple of things. By the way, The New 584 00:33:55,480 --> 00:33:57,720 Speaker 1: York Post wrote this up as legitimate news. The the 585 00:33:57,920 --> 00:33:59,680 Speaker 1: the r n C was tweeting about it. I guess 586 00:33:59,760 --> 00:34:01,880 Speaker 1: is kind of how we got into the ether, since 587 00:34:01,920 --> 00:34:04,719 Speaker 1: everyone's not sitting around watching hearings all day. But as 588 00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:06,800 Speaker 1: someone who has actually, you know, been on pool duty 589 00:34:06,880 --> 00:34:08,399 Speaker 1: at the White House, I can tell you that when 590 00:34:08,640 --> 00:34:10,920 Speaker 1: when he's referring to this event that happened yesterday, the 591 00:34:11,200 --> 00:34:13,719 Speaker 1: pool was taken out of the room. When you when 592 00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:15,960 Speaker 1: they kick you out, you gotta go. And it looked 593 00:34:15,960 --> 00:34:18,200 Speaker 1: like the camera was being caught off or something like that. 594 00:34:18,320 --> 00:34:21,279 Speaker 1: But that's a genie. The way the business works. They 595 00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:23,360 Speaker 1: let the reporters in and they say okay, thank you. 596 00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:25,000 Speaker 1: When they push you out the door in the camera, 597 00:34:25,160 --> 00:34:27,440 Speaker 1: you know, might look like it wasn't the most elegant 598 00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:28,759 Speaker 1: cut away. You might be in the middle of a 599 00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:31,280 Speaker 1: sentence or something like that. But this is getting print, 600 00:34:31,680 --> 00:34:34,440 Speaker 1: uh and and talk on social media like it's a 601 00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:37,480 Speaker 1: real thing. It is. And we've been hearing about this 602 00:34:37,680 --> 00:34:40,480 Speaker 1: for days, and you know, I think what is so 603 00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:46,120 Speaker 1: distressing is that the hearings into how we got into Afghanistan, 604 00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:49,360 Speaker 1: what happened on our way out, what lessons can be learned. 605 00:34:49,719 --> 00:34:54,160 Speaker 1: There is almost nothing more important than doing that. That 606 00:34:54,360 --> 00:34:58,200 Speaker 1: is Congress's role. Give us some oversight, let us know 607 00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:00,799 Speaker 1: what the lessons are, let us know to do next 608 00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:04,800 Speaker 1: time this happens. All of that is lost by Senator 609 00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:09,080 Speaker 1: Rish describe Rich describing and talking about if somebody is 610 00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:12,760 Speaker 1: pressing a button to silence the president, and as anybody 611 00:35:12,840 --> 00:35:16,720 Speaker 1: who knows the president knows, you can't silence Joe Biden. 612 00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:19,160 Speaker 1: That's always been the problem with Joe Biden for many 613 00:35:19,239 --> 00:35:21,919 Speaker 1: people is that he says everything he wants to say 614 00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:23,759 Speaker 1: and he keeps going. So, you know, it was the 615 00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:26,759 Speaker 1: height of ridiculousness. To me, it does seem and we 616 00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:29,920 Speaker 1: saw it yesterday in the House as well. That domestic 617 00:35:30,040 --> 00:35:34,320 Speaker 1: politics and you know, midterm election politics are creeping into 618 00:35:34,440 --> 00:35:38,160 Speaker 1: what should be a sober discussion with the Secretary of 619 00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:43,000 Speaker 1: State about serious issues, and this withdrawal which even Democrats 620 00:35:43,040 --> 00:35:46,439 Speaker 1: and many Democrats were very critical of the administration about 621 00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:49,520 Speaker 1: today inclusion Menendez, and that was all lost. There were 622 00:35:49,520 --> 00:35:52,960 Speaker 1: actually more, there were more indicting words from Democrats. It's 623 00:35:53,120 --> 00:35:55,000 Speaker 1: very true if you were if you were picking your 624 00:35:55,080 --> 00:35:57,440 Speaker 1: your video there, But Jennifer, I'll give you the last word. 625 00:35:57,440 --> 00:35:59,359 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, we only have thirty seconds. Lest the fact 626 00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:02,399 Speaker 1: of the matter is, I should say hidden earpiece conspiracy 627 00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:06,719 Speaker 1: theories have been going on for years in politics, sure, 628 00:36:06,840 --> 00:36:09,440 Speaker 1: of course, because you know, you see a president who 629 00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:11,279 Speaker 1: gives a little thought. You see Joe Biden put his 630 00:36:11,360 --> 00:36:13,840 Speaker 1: head in his hands, you see you know Donald Trump, 631 00:36:13,960 --> 00:36:16,560 Speaker 1: he looks at the teleprompter, he comes off. I mean, 632 00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:19,680 Speaker 1: it's it's always something that goes on. Again, I think 633 00:36:19,719 --> 00:36:22,239 Speaker 1: we can all agree we would like less political theatrics 634 00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:25,239 Speaker 1: and a little bit more information and policy making. This 635 00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:28,040 Speaker 1: is why they love Washington and why you love the 636 00:36:28,120 --> 00:36:31,200 Speaker 1: fastest hour in politics. Many thanks to Jennifer Nasser and 637 00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:35,640 Speaker 1: of course Genie Chanzano. This is sound on I'll meet 638 00:36:35,680 --> 00:36:38,919 Speaker 1: you back here. Well, if you're in Boston at least 639 00:36:39,160 --> 00:36:41,680 Speaker 1: eight o'clock for special coverage. This is Bloomberg