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Speaker 1: So he thought he could do Ukraine, snap dab done,

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Speaker 1: which he could do within a couple of well really

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Speaker 1: to get back three little inconsequential countries That's what Putin's

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Speaker 1: think there's no reason for that right now. Let's just

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Speaker 1: have blowback from China. China was expecting Putin to grab Ukraine,

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Speaker 1: year or two. That's all put a pin put on hold. Now.

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Speaker 1: but maybe not. You know, if you'd ask me then,

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Speaker 1: And now if you're not on the side of helping Ukraine,

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Speaker 1: And so I think you'll see a number of countries,

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Speaker 1: And Germany, who've been freeloaders on NATO for decades, they've

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Speaker 1: So things are changing very rapidly, and frankly, it's really

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Speaker 1: heartening to see it. It is inspiring, Katie. I mean

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Speaker 1: that sincerely. I appreciate you spending time explaining this to

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Speaker 1: I look at you as a mentor of foreign policy

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Speaker 1: for people like me that are trying to connect these dots.

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Speaker 1: So not only thank you for your friendship, but thank

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