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Speaker 2: Welcome back to Talking to Death. It's a new week,

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Speaker 2: and that means we have a new guest for you.

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Speaker 2: If you listen to hip hop, you can thank Jerry Clark.

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Speaker 2: He joined the music industry in the nineties and has

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Speaker 2: been pivotal in bringing hip hop to Atlanta and the

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Speaker 2: dozens of artists, many that you probably listen to today. He's

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Speaker 2: also the host of the iHeart podcast story Time with

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Speaker 2: Legendary Jerry, where he shares his wealth of experience in

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Speaker 2: the music industry. Payne and Jerry had a chance to

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Speaker 3: To me, I think you're Atlanta.

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Speaker 4: I sure around?

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Speaker 3: What does that mean?

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Speaker 4: I embraced the culture all the way around. And when

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Speaker 4: I tell you, let me back up. So I moved

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Speaker 4: really seen that we really, really, really we control what

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Speaker 1: So what did you notice, Like, what was it like

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Speaker 4: You know, I'll take it back to uh. Atlanta is

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Speaker 4: A lot of other cities they they had black mayors

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Speaker 3: So to use that foundational into like the growth of

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Speaker 1: Yes, past, definitely, that makes sense. Definitely, that makes sense.

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Speaker 1: People ask me, uh, just because I'm from Atlanta, like,

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Speaker 3: Talking to a bunch of like super white people.

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Speaker 4: Maybe you put the tea in it pain Atlanta Atlanta

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Speaker 3: Yeah, It's like okay, no, it's Atlanta.

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Speaker 4: But if you're around Atlanta, yeah yeah.

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Speaker 1: And then I start saying, you know what, I hate

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Speaker 4: Say hot Atlanta. That'shit so corny, God like corny.

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Speaker 4: Did we ever say that pain You're from hot Lama.

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Speaker 4: It was like. I came in the business.

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Speaker 4: I actually interned for two labels, and that's how bad

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Speaker 4: Have found my uncle rest in peace, my uncle Stanley Bethel.

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Speaker 4: And the music business chose me. So I was interning

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Speaker 4: I was. I was the street promotion rep, snippet cassaids

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Speaker 3: And that's why the value of a live performance.

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Speaker 1: Of course, right exactly, And like that sucks, Like I

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Speaker 1: So do you think that hip hop has gotten more

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Speaker 4: my parents they used to say all this rap stuff

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00:21:55,680 --> 00:21:57,159
Speaker 4: is like break down, say it to be gone in

441
00:21:57,200 --> 00:21:58,240
Speaker 4: a few years.

442
00:21:58,000 --> 00:22:00,520
Speaker 1: Right, which I mean, I guess at the time, it

443
00:22:00,720 --> 00:22:04,399
Speaker 1: was in the like infancy of what was about to

444
00:22:04,440 --> 00:22:07,400
Speaker 1: be the biggest thing ever ever, right.

445
00:22:07,400 --> 00:22:12,119
Speaker 4: I mean, and you look at the popularity now, I'm like, wow,

446
00:22:12,160 --> 00:22:16,120
Speaker 4: this is really worldwide. Even like it's still like even

447
00:22:16,200 --> 00:22:18,920
Speaker 4: when I see certain things now. I saw some MC's

448
00:22:18,960 --> 00:22:21,600
Speaker 4: in Japan the other day, like balance, I was like,

449
00:22:21,680 --> 00:22:24,240
Speaker 4: and I saw how they were dressed, and I was like, damn.

450
00:22:24,680 --> 00:22:26,679
Speaker 4: I was like, man, this hip hop culture is really

451
00:22:27,520 --> 00:22:29,760
Speaker 4: it's really worldwide. Not that I didn't know that before,

452
00:22:29,840 --> 00:22:32,240
Speaker 4: it's just every time I see something like that, then

453
00:22:32,280 --> 00:22:35,199
Speaker 4: I'll see some guys in the ciphering like parism, you know,

454
00:22:35,240 --> 00:22:38,480
Speaker 4: and I'm like, you know balance, you know, just freestyling

455
00:22:38,480 --> 00:22:40,000
Speaker 4: in French. I'm like, wow, man, this.

456
00:22:40,040 --> 00:22:43,080
Speaker 1: Is it's crazy and like you can see and hear

457
00:22:43,320 --> 00:22:47,520
Speaker 1: Atlanta in it. Oh, oh man, are you proud of that? Oh?

458
00:22:47,560 --> 00:22:50,639
Speaker 4: I'm definitely proudly because I had, I was part of it,

459
00:22:50,760 --> 00:22:53,640
Speaker 4: I helped contribute to it, and that's why I'm proud

460
00:22:53,680 --> 00:22:58,960
Speaker 4: of you. Oh, definitely, definitely. I was definitely firmly entrenched

461
00:22:59,440 --> 00:23:04,600
Speaker 4: and pushing in line of forward. And it's you know,

462
00:23:04,800 --> 00:23:08,000
Speaker 4: this business has been great to me. Then it has

463
00:23:08,000 --> 00:23:10,480
Speaker 4: his moments where his caused me something some of the

464
00:23:10,480 --> 00:23:14,480
Speaker 4: worst anxiety I've ever had for just dealing with pain,

465
00:23:14,600 --> 00:23:18,600
Speaker 4: just just dealing with some of the phoniest motherfuckers you

466
00:23:18,720 --> 00:23:19,320
Speaker 4: ever come.

467
00:23:19,160 --> 00:23:22,240
Speaker 1: Across, promoter types or what just all people.

468
00:23:22,200 --> 00:23:27,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, people, in all phases of his music business. It's

469
00:23:27,400 --> 00:23:31,040
Speaker 4: just so many three dollar bill last motherfuckers, man, And

470
00:23:31,280 --> 00:23:33,840
Speaker 4: it wears on your mind. It wears on you when

471
00:23:33,880 --> 00:23:36,280
Speaker 4: people I sit here with you and hey, pain, we're

472
00:23:36,280 --> 00:23:38,840
Speaker 4: gonna do this deal. Just get and then you don't

473
00:23:38,840 --> 00:23:40,879
Speaker 4: return no calls and no emails.

474
00:23:40,440 --> 00:23:42,040
Speaker 3: Like are we on the same pay? Are we doing this?

475
00:23:42,320 --> 00:23:42,560
Speaker 1: Yeah?

476
00:23:42,600 --> 00:23:43,200
Speaker 4: Like what happened?

477
00:23:43,320 --> 00:23:44,000
Speaker 1: Do you really want to?

478
00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:46,120
Speaker 4: And then you'll see him a few months later, Hey man,

479
00:23:46,160 --> 00:23:46,760
Speaker 4: what's up with you?

480
00:23:46,840 --> 00:23:49,000
Speaker 1: Don't Yeah, after you've popped off and done some other

481
00:23:49,040 --> 00:23:50,520
Speaker 1: thing or what the fuck?

482
00:23:50,560 --> 00:23:52,720
Speaker 4: Bro Like, we sent out and had two three meetings.

483
00:23:53,000 --> 00:23:55,480
Speaker 4: We shook hands, said, hey, let's get to turn this

484
00:23:55,600 --> 00:23:57,040
Speaker 4: the deal. We go do these are the numbers we

485
00:23:57,119 --> 00:23:58,800
Speaker 4: gonna have, and you just disappear.

486
00:23:58,960 --> 00:24:02,120
Speaker 1: That's why I quit music. Video is the same shit.

487
00:24:02,600 --> 00:24:05,840
Speaker 4: And then like there's like ethical is its? Hey man,

488
00:24:05,880 --> 00:24:09,159
Speaker 4: it's yeah, it wears. But I'll say this, it's like

489
00:24:09,359 --> 00:24:12,280
Speaker 4: I made great money in this business. I raised a family,

490
00:24:12,400 --> 00:24:14,800
Speaker 4: so you know, it's just situations like that. Man. It's

491
00:24:14,840 --> 00:24:17,240
Speaker 4: just like I say, the industry has been great to me.

492
00:24:17,760 --> 00:24:21,520
Speaker 4: It's been great. I've provided a great life for myself

493
00:24:21,560 --> 00:24:25,240
Speaker 4: and my children. But it has been some It's definitely

494
00:24:25,280 --> 00:24:28,719
Speaker 4: has been some moments where I questioned. Especially the one

495
00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:33,760
Speaker 4: pain that really made me really poured back from the

496
00:24:33,800 --> 00:24:37,200
Speaker 4: business when a close friend, he wasn't just a colleague,

497
00:24:37,640 --> 00:24:42,240
Speaker 4: he was a close friend of mine, when he killed himself. Yeah,

498
00:24:43,640 --> 00:24:50,359
Speaker 4: that's what made me say, is this business really worth it?

499
00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:52,400
Speaker 4: Is it worth it? And I want to say rest

500
00:24:52,400 --> 00:24:55,120
Speaker 4: in peace to my brother, Shakir Stewart, one of one,

501
00:24:56,040 --> 00:24:59,600
Speaker 4: one of the most, one of the smartest, just genuine

502
00:24:59,680 --> 00:25:03,720
Speaker 4: dudes would ever meet. I had two beautiful kids, beautiful fiance.

503
00:25:05,280 --> 00:25:07,439
Speaker 4: You know, it ain't about material things. We had the

504
00:25:07,720 --> 00:25:09,080
Speaker 4: nice cars, the big house.

505
00:25:09,560 --> 00:25:11,399
Speaker 1: How do you get to that point you think, I

506
00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:11,800
Speaker 1: don't know.

507
00:25:12,200 --> 00:25:13,960
Speaker 4: I wish me and him could and we get right

508
00:25:14,280 --> 00:25:17,360
Speaker 4: and we spoke all the time because he's was it.

509
00:25:17,320 --> 00:25:19,560
Speaker 3: A shock to you that that happened like out of nowhere?

510
00:25:19,560 --> 00:25:22,359
Speaker 1: It was a shock to everybody. Everybody, y, Yeah, it was.

511
00:25:22,440 --> 00:25:25,480
Speaker 4: It was a shock to me because, like I say,

512
00:25:25,560 --> 00:25:27,960
Speaker 4: when you look at it, he had it all and

513
00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:31,359
Speaker 4: he just had the He just had the whole swagger.

514
00:25:31,440 --> 00:25:33,400
Speaker 4: He just was. He was just one of them dudes

515
00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:35,320
Speaker 4: that you wanted to be around and be where. He

516
00:25:35,480 --> 00:25:37,880
Speaker 4: was cool like that. Yeah, it sent me into depression

517
00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:42,240
Speaker 4: because I just kept in my mind saying, damn, shake

518
00:25:42,359 --> 00:25:44,520
Speaker 4: you had it all. I was just I just kept

519
00:25:44,520 --> 00:25:46,840
Speaker 4: saying that, and I'm like thinking, like, bro, like what

520
00:25:47,359 --> 00:25:49,480
Speaker 4: why didn't you know? Just why didn't you call me?

521
00:25:49,560 --> 00:25:51,600
Speaker 4: We just talked a few days before, like what was

522
00:25:51,640 --> 00:25:55,560
Speaker 4: going on dog? So when when that happened? That Actually,

523
00:25:55,600 --> 00:25:58,880
Speaker 4: he's one of the motivating factors the reason I do

524
00:25:58,960 --> 00:26:03,159
Speaker 4: storytime of legend Jerry's because I wanted to bring spotlight

525
00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:07,280
Speaker 4: to those behind the scenes, like a Shakiir Steward, like

526
00:26:07,320 --> 00:26:10,520
Speaker 4: a clay Evans Rest in peace, Clay Evans who made

527
00:26:10,760 --> 00:26:15,160
Speaker 4: so many things pivotal anything, or you don't see us

528
00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:17,800
Speaker 4: because we were behind the scenes. So when I look

529
00:26:17,840 --> 00:26:22,720
Speaker 4: at people like those guys, they are definitely a motivational

530
00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:26,800
Speaker 4: factor for me to do story time with Legendary Jerry podcasts.

531
00:26:27,320 --> 00:26:31,679
Speaker 4: But that the Shakiir death that that sent me painted,

532
00:26:33,119 --> 00:26:33,960
Speaker 4: it knocked me down.

533
00:26:34,320 --> 00:26:35,760
Speaker 3: How did you overcome that?

534
00:26:35,880 --> 00:26:38,840
Speaker 1: And how did you not stay depressed about that and

535
00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:44,359
Speaker 1: eventually somehow work that into a positive thing to propel

536
00:26:44,400 --> 00:26:45,120
Speaker 1: you forward?

537
00:26:45,720 --> 00:26:49,479
Speaker 3: In memory of that, like how did you make that switch?

538
00:26:50,480 --> 00:26:53,960
Speaker 4: Good question, I don't even remember. I just know that

539
00:26:54,440 --> 00:26:57,600
Speaker 4: I know I had told myself that I didn't even

540
00:26:57,600 --> 00:26:59,200
Speaker 4: want to be in a business no more. I said,

541
00:26:59,240 --> 00:27:01,200
Speaker 4: I don't want to do it. No. Well, I had

542
00:27:01,240 --> 00:27:04,520
Speaker 4: just started my foundation at Jerry Clark Foundation, and I

543
00:27:04,560 --> 00:27:06,520
Speaker 4: was doing some things in the community, and I was like,

544
00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:10,320
Speaker 4: maybe I should do this to really make a change

545
00:27:11,320 --> 00:27:17,520
Speaker 4: in the community, to start deprogramming and reprogramming the minds

546
00:27:17,560 --> 00:27:21,919
Speaker 4: of young especially young black males, because I was like,

547
00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:24,080
Speaker 4: I got to make a positive not that I wasn't

548
00:27:24,119 --> 00:27:27,040
Speaker 4: making a positive difference in the music business. I just

549
00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:29,760
Speaker 4: felt like I needed to do something more because I

550
00:27:29,800 --> 00:27:32,199
Speaker 4: lost somebody that I considered to be very close to

551
00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:34,600
Speaker 4: me and I'm looking at my three small kids at

552
00:27:34,600 --> 00:27:36,840
Speaker 4: the time, and I was like, you know, let me

553
00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:38,120
Speaker 4: just pull it back from this shit.

554
00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:41,920
Speaker 1: What's more important all these things that come with my success,

555
00:27:42,359 --> 00:27:46,200
Speaker 1: more like the people that I love in the process.

556
00:27:47,040 --> 00:27:49,080
Speaker 4: But then it hit me like a ton of bricks

557
00:27:49,119 --> 00:27:51,000
Speaker 4: a year and a half couple of years later that

558
00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:54,000
Speaker 4: even though I was making cool money, I wasn't making

559
00:27:54,040 --> 00:27:56,679
Speaker 4: the money that I was making in the music business.

560
00:27:56,720 --> 00:28:00,000
Speaker 4: And I was like kind of backed into a corner

561
00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:02,160
Speaker 4: the pain, because I said, this is.

562
00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:05,840
Speaker 1: All that I know is scary feeling.

563
00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:07,600
Speaker 4: It's this music business.

564
00:28:07,760 --> 00:28:09,879
Speaker 3: So if you weren't doing music, would you have gone

565
00:28:09,880 --> 00:28:13,880
Speaker 3: back to I mean who knows?

566
00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:14,080
Speaker 4: Right?

567
00:28:14,160 --> 00:28:17,119
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean that thought scares me. I'd be just

568
00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:21,119
Speaker 1: your bad server at fucking Houston. Yeah, that's so I was.

569
00:28:21,560 --> 00:28:24,919
Speaker 4: I was just like I was backed into a corner like, Okay,

570
00:28:25,800 --> 00:28:28,640
Speaker 4: this is all I know. I'm good at what I do.

571
00:28:28,920 --> 00:28:33,879
Speaker 4: I have great relationships in this business. Let me start

572
00:28:33,960 --> 00:28:37,000
Speaker 4: easing my way back into it. But like I said,

573
00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:40,120
Speaker 4: that the situation from Shakir's story that hurt me for

574
00:28:40,160 --> 00:28:44,720
Speaker 4: a while. It definitely pained. It knocked me on my ass,

575
00:28:45,360 --> 00:28:49,800
Speaker 4: like I said, because somebody and you know, suicide and

576
00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:53,560
Speaker 4: mental health, you know, in the black community for a

577
00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:55,800
Speaker 4: long time, for many years, it was just kind of

578
00:28:56,440 --> 00:28:59,040
Speaker 4: swept under the road, just pray about it, just you know,

579
00:28:59,120 --> 00:29:00,600
Speaker 4: just praying. I mean, don't get it wrong, prayer It

580
00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:03,680
Speaker 4: is great, But that was like that was it just

581
00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:07,520
Speaker 4: pray about Yeah, you depressed it. Yeah you're depressed, bipolar,

582
00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:12,000
Speaker 4: pray about it, right, yeah, you know. So that really,

583
00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:16,800
Speaker 4: you know, it made me start looking at my mental

584
00:29:16,840 --> 00:29:19,280
Speaker 4: health and like, okay, I gotta really make sure that

585
00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:22,320
Speaker 4: I'm good because I have kids and I you know,

586
00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:24,959
Speaker 4: I got to make sure that they're good. And then

587
00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:27,360
Speaker 4: it's crazy. After all that, a couple of years later,

588
00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:28,880
Speaker 4: I was in a bad car wreck and I started

589
00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:29,600
Speaker 4: having anxiety.

590
00:29:30,160 --> 00:29:32,920
Speaker 1: Damn flipped the car off, Yeah.

591
00:29:33,280 --> 00:29:35,080
Speaker 4: Flipped off. Couldn't fly for a whole year.

592
00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:37,440
Speaker 3: So what what did the anxiety feel like or what

593
00:29:37,480 --> 00:29:38,120
Speaker 3: does it feel.

594
00:29:37,960 --> 00:29:39,240
Speaker 4: Like for you?

595
00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:41,280
Speaker 3: So it's different for everybody, Yeah, it is.

596
00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:48,400
Speaker 4: Mine was uh it made every So give you an example.

597
00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:50,520
Speaker 4: Right after the car wreck, the paramedics came. They tried

598
00:29:50,560 --> 00:29:53,000
Speaker 4: to put me in the back of the ambulance. They

599
00:29:53,040 --> 00:29:54,680
Speaker 4: tried to close the door and on the walls or

600
00:29:54,680 --> 00:29:56,040
Speaker 4: like closing and them. I said, I got to get

601
00:29:56,040 --> 00:29:57,920
Speaker 4: out of here. They was like, no, you can't. I said,

602
00:29:57,960 --> 00:30:00,400
Speaker 4: I can't ride back here. I was like trying to

603
00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:00,600
Speaker 4: get it.

604
00:30:00,800 --> 00:30:03,480
Speaker 3: You were like, this is not freaking right now.

605
00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:08,360
Speaker 4: Freaking out. Got me to the hospital, you know. They

606
00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:10,080
Speaker 4: didn't have any internal bleed and they let me go.

607
00:30:11,880 --> 00:30:15,000
Speaker 4: Two days later, I'm driving sitting in traffic on Pea

608
00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:20,400
Speaker 4: Street by Houston's cars. Bump of a bumper. I fucking

609
00:30:20,440 --> 00:30:24,960
Speaker 4: hopped the funk out, like sweating out of the car

610
00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:27,120
Speaker 4: because I felt like I was sending traffic.

611
00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:31,600
Speaker 1: Oh wow, this is sort of like yeah, so I was, yes,

612
00:30:31,760 --> 00:30:32,400
Speaker 1: that's exactly.

613
00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:35,880
Speaker 4: So I started tripping. So I chilled, and then I

614
00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:37,840
Speaker 4: was working at I forgot oh, I was I was

615
00:30:37,840 --> 00:30:40,240
Speaker 4: working at an Island depth jam, you know, because Shakiir

616
00:30:40,280 --> 00:30:42,480
Speaker 4: and jermaineu Pria brought me so the officers in New York,

617
00:30:42,840 --> 00:30:47,760
Speaker 4: and I tried to fly up. And I was walking

618
00:30:47,800 --> 00:30:50,000
Speaker 4: through the airport, got on the train, start having an

619
00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:55,080
Speaker 4: uneasy feeling pain, went down the escalator onto the train,

620
00:30:55,160 --> 00:30:58,720
Speaker 4: I was uneasy, got to my gate, I was cool.

621
00:30:59,120 --> 00:31:02,600
Speaker 4: Got on the plane, doors closed, playing, starts backing up.

622
00:31:02,840 --> 00:31:06,160
Speaker 4: I start freaking the fuck out, damn pressing the button.

623
00:31:07,040 --> 00:31:09,400
Speaker 4: I gotta get off. Did you try to open the door?

624
00:31:10,280 --> 00:31:11,920
Speaker 4: They pull it back in and let me off.

625
00:31:12,040 --> 00:31:12,600
Speaker 1: Oh wow.

626
00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:15,840
Speaker 4: Next week, I tried to do it again this time.

627
00:31:16,080 --> 00:31:18,240
Speaker 3: Now are you even more anxious about trying it again?

628
00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:19,800
Speaker 1: Is there a little bit of build up or you

629
00:31:19,800 --> 00:31:21,800
Speaker 1: feel that little feeling and you're like, oh, oh, don't

630
00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:22,120
Speaker 1: go down?

631
00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:24,400
Speaker 4: Every time I flew the following week, I got to

632
00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:27,560
Speaker 4: get to New York cacause I got meetings. This time,

633
00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:31,120
Speaker 4: the anxiety kicked in, like before, I was going out

634
00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:32,200
Speaker 4: escalator to the train.

635
00:31:32,360 --> 00:31:32,920
Speaker 1: Oh wow.

636
00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:35,200
Speaker 4: So when I get on the flight this time, I'm breathing,

637
00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:38,320
Speaker 4: trying to trying to breathe. This time, the flight gets

638
00:31:38,360 --> 00:31:39,960
Speaker 4: all the way the plane gets all the way out

639
00:31:39,960 --> 00:31:42,880
Speaker 4: on the wrong way with third for takeoff. I don't

640
00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:44,840
Speaker 4: know what the fuck happened. I just start bugging the

641
00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:45,520
Speaker 4: fuck out.

642
00:31:45,520 --> 00:31:46,080
Speaker 3: In the moment.

643
00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:49,000
Speaker 4: Are you like trying to get speaking about why this.

644
00:31:48,840 --> 00:31:52,520
Speaker 1: Is happening or like rationally explain it? Definitely and it's

645
00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:53,240
Speaker 1: not possible.

646
00:31:53,520 --> 00:31:55,640
Speaker 4: It was like I was in it. I was closed in,

647
00:31:55,880 --> 00:31:57,160
Speaker 4: like I couldn't do nothing.

648
00:31:56,920 --> 00:31:59,200
Speaker 1: Like yeah, Like it was like you weren't even operating

649
00:31:59,240 --> 00:32:03,160
Speaker 1: yourself anymore, like an instinctual response yeah, which is scary.

650
00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:05,800
Speaker 4: They had to go around pull the plane back in.

651
00:32:05,880 --> 00:32:08,480
Speaker 4: This time. They had the paramedics waiting on me, and

652
00:32:08,560 --> 00:32:10,320
Speaker 4: I never forget. It was just like a little old

653
00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:16,680
Speaker 4: black lady there. She was like, you got anxiety, so yeah,

654
00:32:16,760 --> 00:32:19,360
Speaker 4: something has something serious happened to you. Later you might

655
00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:21,520
Speaker 4: have PTSD. I was like, what is this lady talking

656
00:32:21,560 --> 00:32:21,960
Speaker 4: about me?

657
00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:22,280
Speaker 1: Right?

658
00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:26,120
Speaker 4: Like putting on a little thing. I was like, I'm cool,

659
00:32:26,120 --> 00:32:28,400
Speaker 4: I can walk good, I could walk, I'm cool. I'm

660
00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:29,520
Speaker 4: just tired. I ain't been sleep.

661
00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:30,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, I've been working hard.

662
00:32:30,800 --> 00:32:30,960
Speaker 1: Right.

663
00:32:31,120 --> 00:32:34,880
Speaker 4: I went to the doctor, tried to get on the elevator.

664
00:32:35,400 --> 00:32:37,440
Speaker 4: The doors were closed. I freaked out, pressed the thing

665
00:32:37,560 --> 00:32:41,360
Speaker 4: jumped or walked up like five flights of steps and

666
00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:44,440
Speaker 4: they was like, yeah, you got you. Then I went

667
00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:50,920
Speaker 4: to a psychiatrist and they start prescribing medication. But you

668
00:32:50,920 --> 00:32:54,080
Speaker 4: know that's what they quick to write a write a

669
00:32:54,120 --> 00:32:57,400
Speaker 4: prescription for some ship. So but I took it upon

670
00:32:57,440 --> 00:33:01,600
Speaker 4: myself to start doing yoga. I did all uh hypnotherapy.

671
00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:07,120
Speaker 3: Oh nice, Yeah, like unpacking like childhood memories and stuff.

672
00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:12,120
Speaker 4: And him or like therapy is very interesting. I bet

673
00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:13,360
Speaker 4: it is. I don't want to use the word. I

674
00:33:13,360 --> 00:33:16,280
Speaker 4: don't want to use the word weird because that let's

675
00:33:16,280 --> 00:33:17,360
Speaker 4: just say it was interesting.

676
00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:19,920
Speaker 1: Do you have tapes of yourself?

677
00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:22,400
Speaker 4: I can't find them, but I had, right, that sounds

678
00:33:22,520 --> 00:33:25,400
Speaker 4: serious and put the headphones on, sit back and client

679
00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:25,880
Speaker 4: and they talk.

680
00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:26,720
Speaker 3: So does it work?

681
00:33:26,760 --> 00:33:28,000
Speaker 4: Are you like it helped me?

682
00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:30,440
Speaker 3: Like did you go into advance or.

683
00:33:30,440 --> 00:33:30,960
Speaker 1: What is it?

684
00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:34,280
Speaker 4: Yeah? I'm telling you, man, this ship is different.

685
00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:36,880
Speaker 1: Because I've I've read and heard that the way that

686
00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:42,680
Speaker 1: hypnosis works is that really you have to consciously allow yourself.

687
00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:45,080
Speaker 4: Do I fell asleep and then I would wake up

688
00:33:45,160 --> 00:33:47,320
Speaker 4: like I feel like I was snoring, and he'd be like,

689
00:33:47,360 --> 00:33:49,240
Speaker 4: but I remember at the beginning what she was saying.

690
00:33:49,280 --> 00:33:51,360
Speaker 4: She would be like, you've been flying you know she

691
00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:53,680
Speaker 4: had that boy, you've been flying your whole life, Like,

692
00:33:53,840 --> 00:33:57,080
Speaker 4: come on, you've been on elevators, mister clarr you it's nothing,

693
00:33:57,560 --> 00:34:00,040
Speaker 4: it's not you can't die when you you know, I

694
00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:02,120
Speaker 4: had to keep telling yourself you're not gonna die, Like

695
00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:04,240
Speaker 4: why are you acting like you're gonna die? Why are

696
00:34:04,280 --> 00:34:05,600
Speaker 4: you panicking on the airplane?

697
00:34:05,680 --> 00:34:06,840
Speaker 3: Interesting?

698
00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:06,680
Speaker 1: It's help.

699
00:34:06,880 --> 00:34:07,560
Speaker 3: This worked for you.

700
00:34:07,800 --> 00:34:11,400
Speaker 4: It helped along with yoga and a little bit of medication.

701
00:34:12,520 --> 00:34:16,120
Speaker 4: I mean, I'm just ye, I mean seriously, like that's yeah,

702
00:34:16,400 --> 00:34:19,040
Speaker 4: between those, between yoga, hypno therapy and a little bit

703
00:34:19,080 --> 00:34:20,040
Speaker 4: of medication that help.

704
00:34:20,200 --> 00:34:22,320
Speaker 3: So how do you manage it now? Anxiety in general?

705
00:34:23,160 --> 00:34:28,680
Speaker 4: Stay away from fuck people's fuck boys seriously, right, yeah,

706
00:34:28,680 --> 00:34:30,320
Speaker 4: people that's full of shits.

707
00:34:29,960 --> 00:34:32,080
Speaker 3: Like that way you've treated your anxiety one of those

708
00:34:32,080 --> 00:34:32,920
Speaker 3: fun people that gets.

709
00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:35,560
Speaker 4: You on, people that bring negative, demonic ass energy.

710
00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:37,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, don't made me think like that.

711
00:34:37,680 --> 00:34:39,600
Speaker 4: And I went from two mead occasions to one and

712
00:34:39,640 --> 00:34:42,360
Speaker 4: I take my little twenty milligrams every day and like,

713
00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:45,480
Speaker 4: I like that regimen. When I do things, I travel,

714
00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:47,880
Speaker 4: I smoke cigar. My kids are grown now got cigars.

715
00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:51,120
Speaker 4: You're like, man, I like so many that I just

716
00:34:51,200 --> 00:34:51,960
Speaker 4: like a cigar.

717
00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:53,759
Speaker 1: I used to smoke cigars, like when I was like

718
00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:59,400
Speaker 1: eighteen through. It's the weirdest thing. I worked at this

719
00:34:59,440 --> 00:34:59,920
Speaker 1: restaurant and.

720
00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:02,560
Speaker 4: Were they cigars are like black and Miles like, I'm

721
00:35:02,560 --> 00:35:03,240
Speaker 4: out in the cigar.

722
00:35:03,640 --> 00:35:04,880
Speaker 1: You're right, that's not a cigar.

723
00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:08,440
Speaker 4: Because I had paint. I had. People said, man, I spoke,

724
00:35:08,520 --> 00:35:15,359
Speaker 4: I supposed cigars. I'd be like, what, yes, yeah, yes,

725
00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:16,520
Speaker 4: he was all that.

726
00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:18,279
Speaker 1: Yes, uh huh he was.

727
00:35:18,520 --> 00:35:22,799
Speaker 4: I like the like the cigar, Yes, I haven't had it.

728
00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:24,200
Speaker 4: You mean with the color taste.

729
00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:27,000
Speaker 1: Yes, it's actually it's not like it's kind of like

730
00:35:27,040 --> 00:35:29,480
Speaker 1: it's some body to it. It's not really. But I

731
00:35:29,560 --> 00:35:31,800
Speaker 1: used to like, while I was working as a host

732
00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:35,839
Speaker 1: at this restaurant in Marietta, there was a cigar store there. Yeah,

733
00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:37,919
Speaker 1: like when we were dead, I would go over there.

734
00:35:38,200 --> 00:35:40,160
Speaker 1: I would literally sitting there smoking a cigar and I

735
00:35:40,239 --> 00:35:43,080
Speaker 1: get like a call or text from the restaurant.

736
00:35:42,719 --> 00:35:45,160
Speaker 4: Like to where are you, and you back.

737
00:35:47,120 --> 00:35:49,040
Speaker 3: Like, I'll be there, man, it's worse than you think.

738
00:35:49,080 --> 00:35:51,080
Speaker 1: I mean there be over there in a minute. I

739
00:35:51,120 --> 00:35:52,680
Speaker 1: was like, wow, how did I not get fired?

740
00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:55,000
Speaker 4: So that's what I do to you know. Now I'm

741
00:35:55,280 --> 00:35:56,840
Speaker 4: you know, I'm older, I'm wiser.

742
00:35:57,160 --> 00:35:57,399
Speaker 1: Yeah.

743
00:35:57,640 --> 00:35:59,279
Speaker 4: Like, and I'll say it again, I'll stay away from

744
00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:01,680
Speaker 4: people with energy. I don't want to be around if

745
00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:03,799
Speaker 4: you bring us a negative energy, I don't I don't

746
00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:04,680
Speaker 4: want that ship man.

747
00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:11,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, why do you think it is that there's a

748
00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:16,879
Speaker 1: concerted effort to take down young Thug? I know that's

749
00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:19,879
Speaker 1: a deep, multi pronged question, But.

750
00:36:20,320 --> 00:36:23,880
Speaker 4: Do you think it's a you think it's a concerted effort.

751
00:36:24,040 --> 00:36:28,880
Speaker 4: When you say concerted effort by who politicians and not Atlanta?

752
00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:34,200
Speaker 1: You mean Atlanta as a city, I guess, and the

753
00:36:34,239 --> 00:36:35,960
Speaker 1: people who prosecute.

754
00:36:36,239 --> 00:36:38,640
Speaker 4: I haven't really just to be very transparent, I haven't

755
00:36:38,640 --> 00:36:42,200
Speaker 4: really been watching a lot of it because you can

756
00:36:42,200 --> 00:36:43,920
Speaker 4: go on social media and you see some of the

757
00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:46,960
Speaker 4: clips and like it's some real, real foolishness, Like it's

758
00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:51,360
Speaker 4: like and I'm like, yeah, you know it is. And

759
00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:54,880
Speaker 4: I'm like, at what point do they just say like

760
00:36:54,960 --> 00:36:56,279
Speaker 4: this this ship is a ship show?

761
00:36:57,080 --> 00:37:01,480
Speaker 1: And that's why I keep thinking that let the guy double. Yeah,

762
00:37:01,520 --> 00:37:04,920
Speaker 1: That's why I'm saying concerted effort, meaning like it it

763
00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:12,640
Speaker 1: seems like they didn't like the hip hop rap star

764
00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:17,000
Speaker 1: part of this. Oh yeah, and like they went to

765
00:37:17,080 --> 00:37:21,040
Speaker 1: go look for something and then they found whatever they found. Yeah,

766
00:37:21,239 --> 00:37:24,560
Speaker 1: it started with them looking for something in the first place,

767
00:37:24,560 --> 00:37:27,040
Speaker 1: and that to me is just so like I can't

768
00:37:27,040 --> 00:37:30,160
Speaker 1: look past that. I'm like, why you guys pick on him?

769
00:37:30,280 --> 00:37:34,040
Speaker 1: Like what what is it about? What's so wrong with this?

770
00:37:34,280 --> 00:37:35,360
Speaker 1: I don't know, Like it's.

771
00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:41,160
Speaker 4: Say, a young dude, he's very successful financially, he's you know,

772
00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:46,279
Speaker 4: and I met him twice and he's cool, funny guy,

773
00:37:46,480 --> 00:37:50,960
Speaker 4: great personality. Then you have people that you know, feel

774
00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:53,040
Speaker 4: as though like I'm going to use this situation to

775
00:37:54,440 --> 00:37:56,840
Speaker 4: take my career to the next level. It's just like

776
00:37:56,920 --> 00:37:59,640
Speaker 4: I really, I don't know, Like it's just yeah, like

777
00:37:59,680 --> 00:38:01,600
Speaker 4: I just kind of I've been asked this question a

778
00:38:01,640 --> 00:38:04,680
Speaker 4: few times and I just I stay away from it

779
00:38:04,719 --> 00:38:09,160
Speaker 4: because it's it's it's politics, and no matter where you

780
00:38:09,320 --> 00:38:10,960
Speaker 4: where I go with it, you know, Like I say,

781
00:38:11,040 --> 00:38:15,279
Speaker 4: I like the the DA or the prior I don't.

782
00:38:15,320 --> 00:38:20,040
Speaker 4: I don't know. Yeah, the DA, I know, she's you know,

783
00:38:20,160 --> 00:38:24,040
Speaker 4: she she she might have some political you know, endeavors

784
00:38:24,040 --> 00:38:29,400
Speaker 4: in the future. So it's just it's unfortunate for the city,

785
00:38:29,480 --> 00:38:33,959
Speaker 4: is unfortunate for It's just unfortunate all the way around. Yep,

786
00:38:34,040 --> 00:38:35,880
Speaker 4: And I hate it, man, Like I said, Man to

787
00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:38,640
Speaker 4: see see this guy dragged through. I mean, like I said,

788
00:38:38,680 --> 00:38:40,960
Speaker 4: I like that, not just musically, but a couple of

789
00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:44,640
Speaker 4: times I met him, he seemed like a very solid

790
00:38:44,680 --> 00:38:47,280
Speaker 4: young man. And I know people from that area Cleveland

791
00:38:47,320 --> 00:38:51,319
Speaker 4: Avenue that say the same thing. So it's just it's

792
00:38:51,360 --> 00:38:53,400
Speaker 4: just like I'll say it again, it's just unfortunate all

793
00:38:53,400 --> 00:38:56,600
Speaker 4: the way around. Yeah, I hate it, man, I hate it. Bro.

794
00:38:57,080 --> 00:38:59,640
Speaker 1: So I've been a few times, Like he would never

795
00:38:59,680 --> 00:39:03,120
Speaker 1: remember me, but I directed a few music videos. One

796
00:39:03,160 --> 00:39:05,360
Speaker 1: was actually a t I and young Thug in it.

797
00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:09,480
Speaker 1: But also Tip was always coolest ship too, Like yeah,

798
00:39:10,239 --> 00:39:11,240
Speaker 1: they're always in a fun.

799
00:39:11,120 --> 00:39:13,759
Speaker 4: Duo, Like is one of the coolest people you haven't like.

800
00:39:13,680 --> 00:39:16,400
Speaker 3: For real though, ye, Like he's also funny at ship,

801
00:39:16,520 --> 00:39:17,040
Speaker 3: Like now.

802
00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:21,839
Speaker 4: Is Tip is cool? Man, He's definitely funny. I see

803
00:39:21,840 --> 00:39:24,719
Speaker 4: why he's doing comedy now he's and he's he's really

804
00:39:24,760 --> 00:39:27,680
Speaker 4: growing in that comedy space. Like yeah, there's.

805
00:39:27,520 --> 00:39:29,120
Speaker 3: Lots of like of all around, like.

806
00:39:29,360 --> 00:39:32,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, no, he's Tip is a funny Yeah, yeah,

807
00:39:32,920 --> 00:39:35,640
Speaker 4: he's he's he's funny, and I'm glad to see that

808
00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:39,319
Speaker 4: he's starting to really become successful in that comedy space. Yeah,

809
00:39:39,360 --> 00:39:40,879
Speaker 4: I love to see that because he's a good dude.

810
00:39:40,920 --> 00:39:41,120
Speaker 1: Though.

811
00:39:41,880 --> 00:39:44,640
Speaker 3: Is a good dude, Yeah, family dude, like dude.

812
00:39:45,200 --> 00:39:47,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, he was always like I mean, he always did

813
00:39:47,560 --> 00:39:50,600
Speaker 1: remember me, which I I don't like you remember when

814
00:39:50,600 --> 00:39:52,680
Speaker 1: someone remembers you when you're on the other side of

815
00:39:52,719 --> 00:39:56,520
Speaker 1: the camera and you're like just a dude. Like, I've

816
00:39:56,520 --> 00:39:58,720
Speaker 1: been to a lot, I've felt a lot of rap videos.

817
00:39:59,239 --> 00:40:01,160
Speaker 1: Some of them are like they roll up and they're

818
00:40:01,160 --> 00:40:04,839
Speaker 1: like big as art as you know, let's see young

819
00:40:04,920 --> 00:40:08,200
Speaker 1: thug t I. I did almost all of August Alcina's

820
00:40:08,239 --> 00:40:10,680
Speaker 1: videos really, uh huh. That's how I met Donald in

821
00:40:10,719 --> 00:40:15,760
Speaker 1: the first place. J Khaled met him. Also.

822
00:40:16,200 --> 00:40:19,360
Speaker 3: He was funny because like I flew to Miami last minute.

823
00:40:19,560 --> 00:40:22,879
Speaker 1: Rick Ross was there and we shot this really dope

824
00:40:22,920 --> 00:40:24,960
Speaker 1: video at this cathedral that we rented that was like

825
00:40:25,080 --> 00:40:29,279
Speaker 1: crazy and I couldn't Like my mind was blown. When

826
00:40:29,280 --> 00:40:33,800
Speaker 1: I saw DJ Khalid in person, just being DJ Khalid,

827
00:40:34,480 --> 00:40:38,720
Speaker 1: I was like, this guy is just literally he literally

828
00:40:38,760 --> 00:40:42,239
Speaker 1: says like another one and stuff like in person, and

829
00:40:42,360 --> 00:40:44,360
Speaker 1: I was telling my friends and they didn't believe me,

830
00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:45,040
Speaker 1: But now it's.

831
00:40:44,920 --> 00:40:48,399
Speaker 4: Like that's what Kalid is A cool last one. I

832
00:40:48,440 --> 00:40:52,439
Speaker 4: was like, iris much energy. He brings that good Nagy

833
00:40:52,440 --> 00:40:55,520
Speaker 4: makes sense now. It's like he's that guy to the

834
00:40:55,520 --> 00:40:57,719
Speaker 4: way you want to just be happy. He seems to

835
00:40:57,760 --> 00:41:02,040
Speaker 4: be happy. Yeah, seems to be right exactly. He seems to.

836
00:41:01,960 --> 00:41:03,719
Speaker 3: Be very energy, is infectious.

837
00:41:03,719 --> 00:41:05,640
Speaker 4: He's got great energy. And this is and when I

838
00:41:05,680 --> 00:41:07,640
Speaker 4: tell you back when he was at the radio station

839
00:41:07,760 --> 00:41:09,279
Speaker 4: in Miami and I used to talk to him about

840
00:41:09,280 --> 00:41:11,719
Speaker 4: getting you know, records, play make sure whatever, he was

841
00:41:11,760 --> 00:41:12,359
Speaker 4: the same way.

842
00:41:12,800 --> 00:41:13,440
Speaker 1: He was cool.

843
00:41:14,080 --> 00:41:16,120
Speaker 4: He was cool. It wasn't no like Hollywood. I'm sure

844
00:41:16,160 --> 00:41:18,239
Speaker 4: people have made they may have a different store, but

845
00:41:18,320 --> 00:41:20,520
Speaker 4: with me, it was never no Hollywood shit, never no

846
00:41:20,640 --> 00:41:24,120
Speaker 4: high side industry shit. He was just cool man. You know.

847
00:41:24,600 --> 00:41:28,080
Speaker 4: So I pull for people like that. I like to

848
00:41:28,080 --> 00:41:31,600
Speaker 4: see people like that win. Absolutely, Yeah, you want to

849
00:41:31,640 --> 00:41:34,280
Speaker 4: pull for people that. It's not on that bullshit.

850
00:41:34,760 --> 00:41:36,799
Speaker 1: You know, Like you said earlier that part of the

851
00:41:36,800 --> 00:41:38,920
Speaker 1: appeal when you first got into the business was like

852
00:41:38,960 --> 00:41:40,759
Speaker 1: the clips and the glamour. It was I get that,

853
00:41:40,840 --> 00:41:44,600
Speaker 1: like I kind of like as a creative person and

854
00:41:44,840 --> 00:41:47,799
Speaker 1: who's like been a music artist and like you know,

855
00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:50,239
Speaker 1: looks at his work like it's art, like it's you know,

856
00:41:50,280 --> 00:41:53,280
Speaker 1: not to be corny, but like I also have always

857
00:41:53,320 --> 00:41:57,799
Speaker 1: aspired to like be at the maximum potential of you know,

858
00:41:57,920 --> 00:42:00,239
Speaker 1: not necessarily being famous, but like if that it's the

859
00:42:00,239 --> 00:42:03,960
Speaker 1: byproduct of the world seeing my work, then that's what

860
00:42:04,080 --> 00:42:06,800
Speaker 1: I crave that part of ye like the biggest audience

861
00:42:06,840 --> 00:42:09,520
Speaker 1: there is for something I care a lot about. And

862
00:42:09,840 --> 00:42:13,120
Speaker 1: you know, over a couple of years, like having successful

863
00:42:13,160 --> 00:42:16,919
Speaker 1: podcasts and building tenefit with Donald you know, like I've

864
00:42:16,920 --> 00:42:19,759
Speaker 1: gained like some followers on Instagram, like not a lot

865
00:42:19,760 --> 00:42:22,200
Speaker 1: compared to a lot of people, but I've noticed like

866
00:42:22,360 --> 00:42:26,400
Speaker 1: other people around me who like I'd never even thought

867
00:42:26,400 --> 00:42:27,359
Speaker 1: about it, but.

868
00:42:27,280 --> 00:42:30,839
Speaker 3: They're bringing up to me, like they think I'm an influencer,

869
00:42:31,520 --> 00:42:32,040
Speaker 3: and I'm like.

870
00:42:32,160 --> 00:42:34,239
Speaker 4: Bro, I just that's the profession.

871
00:42:34,560 --> 00:42:37,879
Speaker 1: Well, I do this work. People have just gone out

872
00:42:37,880 --> 00:42:40,600
Speaker 1: of their way to follow me here. I don't make

873
00:42:40,600 --> 00:42:43,400
Speaker 1: any money on this shit, but I don't care about influence.

874
00:42:44,080 --> 00:42:45,360
Speaker 4: You got to put that on your resume.

875
00:42:45,400 --> 00:42:48,600
Speaker 1: You're an influencer, Yeah, I'm sorry selling creams.

876
00:42:48,800 --> 00:42:52,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm an influencer. Yeah, Payne Lindsey the influencer.

877
00:42:52,280 --> 00:42:54,560
Speaker 1: Yeah.

878
00:42:54,920 --> 00:42:57,799
Speaker 3: Give me three things that are the most Atlanta right now?

879
00:43:01,040 --> 00:43:04,839
Speaker 4: Uh. Three things. Three people are.

880
00:43:04,840 --> 00:43:10,240
Speaker 1: Threings like or ways of doing something or not people, but.

881
00:43:10,120 --> 00:43:15,240
Speaker 4: Like culturally limon pepper wings is okay, that's Atlanta.

882
00:43:15,880 --> 00:43:17,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, uh and they're good.

883
00:43:19,040 --> 00:43:19,400
Speaker 4: Damn.

884
00:43:20,480 --> 00:43:22,680
Speaker 3: Where do you get your wings from? Usually American deli?

885
00:43:23,280 --> 00:43:27,960
Speaker 4: No, what do you mean? No? No, Jr. It's only

886
00:43:28,239 --> 00:43:31,239
Speaker 4: I mean j yes, I go to JR. Creek.

887
00:43:31,320 --> 00:43:31,759
Speaker 1: That's right.

888
00:43:31,840 --> 00:43:35,160
Speaker 4: And let me tell you, of course, going to your question.

889
00:43:35,400 --> 00:43:42,480
Speaker 4: Things that are Atlanta. That's Magic City is Atlanta is

890
00:43:42,520 --> 00:43:45,640
Speaker 4: Atlanta through and through. Not because of the naked women

891
00:43:45,760 --> 00:43:48,640
Speaker 4: dancing in there, not because of the wings that we're

892
00:43:48,719 --> 00:43:51,480
Speaker 4: talking about, which are good, yes, they are great. But

893
00:43:51,560 --> 00:43:53,920
Speaker 4: you've got a black man that's been owning this business

894
00:43:53,960 --> 00:43:55,680
Speaker 4: and this building in the heart of the city since

895
00:43:55,760 --> 00:43:59,239
Speaker 4: nineteen I think eighty five or eighty six. I mean,

896
00:43:59,239 --> 00:44:02,480
Speaker 4: come on, man, heart of Atlanta. Yeah, it doesn't get

897
00:44:02,480 --> 00:44:03,480
Speaker 4: more Atlanta than that.

898
00:44:03,840 --> 00:44:04,320
Speaker 3: It doesn't.

899
00:44:04,440 --> 00:44:07,480
Speaker 4: The magic from Magic City. You think about a black

900
00:44:07,520 --> 00:44:10,240
Speaker 4: man owning that property now in the heart of the city,

901
00:44:11,440 --> 00:44:14,120
Speaker 4: Magic City, that's in Atlanta.

902
00:44:15,280 --> 00:44:17,840
Speaker 1: Okay, So that's two. What's the last what's the other one?

903
00:44:17,920 --> 00:44:18,200
Speaker 4: The two?

904
00:44:18,400 --> 00:44:20,719
Speaker 3: So you got lemon pepper wings, Magic.

905
00:44:20,480 --> 00:44:21,919
Speaker 4: City, and those are kind of tiedy.

906
00:44:22,040 --> 00:44:24,040
Speaker 3: The other damn right, you can do the both of

907
00:44:24,040 --> 00:44:24,719
Speaker 3: those at the same time.

908
00:44:24,800 --> 00:44:27,160
Speaker 4: No, it is separate, Okay. So Lemon Pepper Wings is

909
00:44:27,160 --> 00:44:32,640
Speaker 4: in Atlanta. Magic City is Atlanta. I don't want to

910
00:44:32,680 --> 00:44:35,359
Speaker 4: sound corny and say the music, but you know.

911
00:44:35,920 --> 00:44:38,200
Speaker 1: I mean if you like zoom out, like obviously the

912
00:44:38,280 --> 00:44:41,840
Speaker 1: music would be one. It's it's like, you know, like

913
00:44:41,960 --> 00:44:44,080
Speaker 1: growing up listening to the rappers that I listened to

914
00:44:44,160 --> 00:44:46,960
Speaker 1: from Atlanta and just hearing them like shout out roads

915
00:44:46,960 --> 00:44:51,360
Speaker 1: that like I'm driving through like I didn't come from there.

916
00:44:51,480 --> 00:44:53,960
Speaker 1: But also there's rappers from everywhere in Atlanta. Now it's

917
00:44:54,120 --> 00:44:56,400
Speaker 1: it's like you went to like a fucking price even.

918
00:44:56,760 --> 00:44:59,839
Speaker 4: Like you look at a quay won them they from

919
00:45:00,040 --> 00:45:04,360
Speaker 4: We're North Side, Yeah, exactly, like come on, man, that's dope,

920
00:45:04,560 --> 00:45:06,640
Speaker 4: Like yeah you got now you got cats. It ain't

921
00:45:06,719 --> 00:45:09,840
Speaker 4: just all fours on me, you know, exact titty but

922
00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:12,040
Speaker 4: to change them. They from the South Side, you know,

923
00:45:12,080 --> 00:45:14,080
Speaker 4: and then you got JD and them from College Park,

924
00:45:14,600 --> 00:45:17,120
Speaker 4: so it's the east side. Of course, you got Gucci

925
00:45:17,200 --> 00:45:20,600
Speaker 4: man and you know young Nudi in twenty one. They

926
00:45:20,640 --> 00:45:23,200
Speaker 4: all these have future if they from all over edge

927
00:45:23,200 --> 00:45:25,239
Speaker 4: where they from all over man?

928
00:45:25,960 --> 00:45:29,960
Speaker 3: I shot so many videos that were like in like

929
00:45:30,040 --> 00:45:32,560
Speaker 3: the real hood and like it all you do. It's

930
00:45:32,600 --> 00:45:35,080
Speaker 3: always straight like you see on World Star.

931
00:45:35,520 --> 00:45:37,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, and like we're like from the suburbs, but we're like,

932
00:45:38,040 --> 00:45:41,560
Speaker 1: you know, the safeties are off. I'm like, I'm like

933
00:45:41,600 --> 00:45:44,480
Speaker 1: a you know, like accidents do happen, but like the

934
00:45:44,520 --> 00:45:48,560
Speaker 1: shots looked dope, but like this isn't like regulated over here.

935
00:45:49,000 --> 00:45:50,880
Speaker 4: You said, you said, I'm really in this.

936
00:45:51,120 --> 00:45:52,799
Speaker 1: I'm doing this, so we out here as well said

937
00:45:53,360 --> 00:45:54,879
Speaker 1: they said, what do you say? Is said nothing?

938
00:45:56,719 --> 00:46:00,600
Speaker 4: Atlanta is a different place, man, It's a different place.

939
00:46:00,640 --> 00:46:03,160
Speaker 1: You're making me get hyped about sports right now, Like,

940
00:46:03,280 --> 00:46:03,759
Speaker 1: let's go.

941
00:46:03,880 --> 00:46:06,520
Speaker 4: I mean I'm ready. I'm ready to brave today opening Day.

942
00:46:06,520 --> 00:46:09,000
Speaker 1: I've been part side of the Hawks yet. Yeah, of course,

943
00:46:09,200 --> 00:46:10,560
Speaker 1: are you on the regular with that ship?

944
00:46:10,840 --> 00:46:12,600
Speaker 4: I'm not regular, but I've done it. I've done a

945
00:46:12,600 --> 00:46:17,080
Speaker 4: few fun Yeah. I like it the Hawks. I want

946
00:46:17,080 --> 00:46:20,719
Speaker 4: to see the ownership like really get aggressive and making

947
00:46:20,800 --> 00:46:22,239
Speaker 4: us a winner. We just can't be.

948
00:46:23,000 --> 00:46:25,239
Speaker 3: What do we need? We need a superstar?

949
00:46:25,360 --> 00:46:29,879
Speaker 4: Right like, yeah, we got Murray. I don't know why

950
00:46:29,920 --> 00:46:32,759
Speaker 4: we can't and I think I do know, but why

951
00:46:32,840 --> 00:46:35,200
Speaker 4: we don't ever attract any of the big free agents.

952
00:46:35,239 --> 00:46:36,239
Speaker 4: I know they know they come back.

953
00:46:36,239 --> 00:46:39,320
Speaker 3: Okay, So why do you think that is Atlanta is awesome?

954
00:46:39,360 --> 00:46:41,080
Speaker 1: What do you mean? What's up with it?

955
00:46:41,120 --> 00:46:43,800
Speaker 4: A lot of these guys, especially if they're married, they wives,

956
00:46:43,800 --> 00:46:47,840
Speaker 4: they know Atlanta Atlanta will chew you up and spit

957
00:46:48,040 --> 00:46:48,960
Speaker 4: you out.

958
00:46:49,040 --> 00:46:50,480
Speaker 1: Do you think that they they've been on the road

959
00:46:50,480 --> 00:46:52,319
Speaker 1: in Atlanta and they're like, we're not I'm not gonna live.

960
00:46:52,400 --> 00:46:54,960
Speaker 4: I mean, let's just be real, man like that Atlanta.

961
00:46:55,840 --> 00:46:58,120
Speaker 4: Atlanta has some of the most beautiful women in America.

962
00:46:58,840 --> 00:47:01,760
Speaker 4: That is extremely And if you are the girlfriend, fiance,

963
00:47:01,880 --> 00:47:04,439
Speaker 4: a wife of one of these ballplayers, would you want

964
00:47:04,600 --> 00:47:05,839
Speaker 4: your dude to come to.

965
00:47:06,400 --> 00:47:09,160
Speaker 3: This down the street from Magic City. I don't magine.

966
00:47:09,719 --> 00:47:15,760
Speaker 4: Blue flame Cheetah clubs. I mean in Atlanta, nightlight seven nights,

967
00:47:15,800 --> 00:47:18,719
Speaker 4: seven nights a week, it's popping. It's somewhere to go.

968
00:47:19,000 --> 00:47:22,520
Speaker 1: I didn't realize that Atlanta had like a surplus of

969
00:47:22,520 --> 00:47:25,000
Speaker 1: strip clubs until I went to other cities and realized

970
00:47:25,040 --> 00:47:26,120
Speaker 1: that they only have like.

971
00:47:26,120 --> 00:47:30,040
Speaker 4: Two between churches, strip clubs and waffle houses. She'll find

972
00:47:30,080 --> 00:47:32,920
Speaker 4: those here in a yes, so we don't get the

973
00:47:32,960 --> 00:47:36,000
Speaker 4: free agents here with the Hawks, the Falcons. I think

974
00:47:36,080 --> 00:47:40,200
Speaker 4: mister Blank is a is a very good owner. Yeah,

975
00:47:40,239 --> 00:47:44,000
Speaker 4: but some of the decisions since the Super Bowl Tobacco,

976
00:47:44,080 --> 00:47:45,400
Speaker 4: I've questioned.

977
00:47:45,200 --> 00:47:47,040
Speaker 3: It's like we have never fully healed from the.

978
00:47:47,320 --> 00:47:50,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, we I think we still have PTSD from that.

979
00:47:50,360 --> 00:47:50,600
Speaker 1: I do.

980
00:47:50,920 --> 00:47:55,280
Speaker 4: Yeah, Yeah, I know I do too. So I think

981
00:47:55,360 --> 00:47:58,960
Speaker 4: we we got to start making better decisions drafting. And

982
00:47:59,040 --> 00:48:02,640
Speaker 4: I don't know why as the organization do we shy

983
00:48:02,719 --> 00:48:05,759
Speaker 4: away from drafting players from the University of Georgia. I

984
00:48:05,800 --> 00:48:09,920
Speaker 4: don't get that. With such a shit, I don't. I

985
00:48:09,960 --> 00:48:13,840
Speaker 4: don't get it. Man will intentionally pass over somebody to

986
00:48:13,840 --> 00:48:17,560
Speaker 4: go drive somebody from eastern Idaho a line back from

987
00:48:17,560 --> 00:48:20,440
Speaker 4: Eastern Idaho. I'd be like bros So and so.

988
00:48:20,400 --> 00:48:22,719
Speaker 3: From Georgia in Athens.

989
00:48:22,760 --> 00:48:25,560
Speaker 4: It's like, like, I just I don't. I don't know

990
00:48:25,600 --> 00:48:26,200
Speaker 4: what it is.

991
00:48:26,239 --> 00:48:26,439
Speaker 1: Man.

992
00:48:26,840 --> 00:48:29,239
Speaker 4: Well, hopefully with the new regime with Rahie Morris and

993
00:48:29,360 --> 00:48:32,600
Speaker 4: you know, I hope that changes. But like I say,

994
00:48:32,800 --> 00:48:35,120
Speaker 4: Arthur Blank, he's won a championship with the with the

995
00:48:35,120 --> 00:48:39,400
Speaker 4: soccer team with the United and yeah, and I just

996
00:48:39,440 --> 00:48:41,640
Speaker 4: went to one recently there always and I know he's

997
00:48:41,640 --> 00:48:43,319
Speaker 4: getting up in age. I want to see him get

998
00:48:43,360 --> 00:48:45,640
Speaker 4: one with the Falcons, But I want to see him

999
00:48:45,680 --> 00:48:49,000
Speaker 4: get make some better decision his personnel, you know, because

1000
00:48:49,000 --> 00:48:51,600
Speaker 4: I was always told over the years, you have to

1001
00:48:51,600 --> 00:48:54,680
Speaker 4: trust your personnel, and he's got to be able to

1002
00:48:54,719 --> 00:48:57,520
Speaker 4: trust his personnel to make the decision. I just right now,

1003
00:48:57,560 --> 00:48:59,440
Speaker 4: I just don't see it, man, because some of the

1004
00:48:59,480 --> 00:49:01,520
Speaker 4: decisions has been made over the last few years with

1005
00:49:01,520 --> 00:49:03,160
Speaker 4: the Facons. I just don't fucking get it, pained.

1006
00:49:03,239 --> 00:49:05,759
Speaker 3: I mean, Kirk Cousins was here for one day and

1007
00:49:05,760 --> 00:49:06,759
Speaker 3: he got a grill.

1008
00:49:08,600 --> 00:49:10,160
Speaker 1: You see that he.

1009
00:49:10,560 --> 00:49:14,960
Speaker 4: Had one hundred and eighty million dollars. Kirk between September

1010
00:49:15,120 --> 00:49:18,560
Speaker 4: and November, he balls out. But I don't know, man,

1011
00:49:18,800 --> 00:49:22,040
Speaker 4: I don't know what happens in December in January. Man,

1012
00:49:22,080 --> 00:49:23,280
Speaker 4: It's like there's.

1013
00:49:23,120 --> 00:49:26,000
Speaker 1: Just people who have always been like that too, like historically,

1014
00:49:26,080 --> 00:49:28,640
Speaker 1: like is it like choking?

1015
00:49:28,880 --> 00:49:32,680
Speaker 4: Like I mean, Kirk Cousin can play, though, man, I

1016
00:49:32,760 --> 00:49:35,080
Speaker 4: know he can play. I know he's in you know,

1017
00:49:35,200 --> 00:49:38,640
Speaker 4: mid upper thirties. And I look back back to the

1018
00:49:38,640 --> 00:49:41,600
Speaker 4: decisions of the team like why wouldn't we had why

1019
00:49:41,640 --> 00:49:45,040
Speaker 4: why didn't we go for Lamar Jackson? Like when and

1020
00:49:45,120 --> 00:49:47,520
Speaker 4: we could and looking back at we might have pretty

1021
00:49:47,560 --> 00:49:49,319
Speaker 4: much got him on like a deal to like how

1022
00:49:49,360 --> 00:49:49,840
Speaker 4: to steer this.

1023
00:49:49,920 --> 00:49:52,480
Speaker 3: Gut point on let just run it. That's that's the

1024
00:49:52,719 --> 00:49:53,319
Speaker 3: what you just.

1025
00:49:53,280 --> 00:49:57,440
Speaker 4: Said is the reason why mister Blank probably didn't go

1026
00:49:57,480 --> 00:50:00,400
Speaker 4: after because of what you just said about Michael Vick

1027
00:50:00,480 --> 00:50:02,880
Speaker 4: or what what did you just say? Vict two point though.

1028
00:50:03,080 --> 00:50:05,239
Speaker 1: Yeah he doesn't want what I mean, like from a

1029
00:50:05,280 --> 00:50:10,200
Speaker 1: player standpoint, like the not like not but whatever.

1030
00:50:10,280 --> 00:50:12,400
Speaker 3: But you think that was part of it?

1031
00:50:12,560 --> 00:50:15,120
Speaker 1: Shiit chah shit chait.

1032
00:50:15,239 --> 00:50:18,719
Speaker 4: As much as we love he, you know, I know,

1033
00:50:18,800 --> 00:50:21,680
Speaker 4: mister Blank, I know that they're cool now, all is forgiving,

1034
00:50:21,760 --> 00:50:24,719
Speaker 4: but that that put a bad, bad taste in his moment,

1035
00:50:24,840 --> 00:50:26,879
Speaker 4: put a stain on the team, all that stuff, because

1036
00:50:26,880 --> 00:50:29,600
Speaker 4: it's somebody he trusted, man, and he he really went.

1037
00:50:29,719 --> 00:50:32,160
Speaker 4: He went a bit above and beyond the lookout for.

1038
00:50:32,239 --> 00:50:34,719
Speaker 1: Props a victor like coming back and having one of

1039
00:50:34,760 --> 00:50:38,279
Speaker 1: the yes coolest games in history with the Eagles, the

1040
00:50:38,320 --> 00:50:39,440
Speaker 1: coolest seasons.

1041
00:50:39,520 --> 00:50:40,880
Speaker 4: He was like the second m v.

1042
00:50:40,920 --> 00:50:43,440
Speaker 1: P that year, It's like wow, okay, yeah.

1043
00:50:43,320 --> 00:50:45,719
Speaker 4: Yeah, but mister Blank, man, he I just I look back,

1044
00:50:45,760 --> 00:50:48,160
Speaker 4: I'm like, why didn't we go after Lamar Jackson? Then

1045
00:50:48,200 --> 00:50:51,879
Speaker 4: the guy turns around and wins MVP and now like.

1046
00:50:52,120 --> 00:50:53,320
Speaker 3: He's better suited than Atlanta.

1047
00:50:53,320 --> 00:50:56,440
Speaker 1: I feel like he feels like Atlanta quarterback. Like it's like, yeah,

1048
00:50:56,640 --> 00:50:57,359
Speaker 1: and we want and.

1049
00:50:57,320 --> 00:50:59,440
Speaker 4: We and we have weapons. We got running backs, we

1050
00:50:59,480 --> 00:51:00,480
Speaker 4: got the tight end, were.

1051
00:51:00,320 --> 00:51:03,080
Speaker 1: Going through something this year, and got a pretty solid defense.

1052
00:51:03,719 --> 00:51:05,840
Speaker 4: So I just hope. I just want Kirk Cousin to

1053
00:51:05,840 --> 00:51:08,759
Speaker 4: come in win ten eleven games and let's let's get

1054
00:51:08,760 --> 00:51:10,680
Speaker 4: to the playoffs and see because anything can happened in

1055
00:51:10,680 --> 00:51:11,160
Speaker 4: the playoffs.

1056
00:51:11,239 --> 00:51:12,720
Speaker 3: Yep, we've learned anything.

1057
00:51:12,880 --> 00:51:16,719
Speaker 4: So but I'm you know, I'm excited Braves, Georgia Bulldogs.

1058
00:51:17,760 --> 00:51:18,640
Speaker 4: I'm excited man.

1059
00:51:19,080 --> 00:51:22,200
Speaker 1: Before before we uh part ways here. Yeah, any words

1060
00:51:22,200 --> 00:51:26,160
Speaker 1: of advice you'd give to the younger generation who wants

1061
00:51:26,200 --> 00:51:29,400
Speaker 1: to get into the music business, entertainment in general.

1062
00:51:30,600 --> 00:51:33,120
Speaker 4: I mentioned it early and I'm I actually mentioned both

1063
00:51:33,160 --> 00:51:36,200
Speaker 4: things really and I'm gonna say it again. Make sure

1064
00:51:36,400 --> 00:51:44,439
Speaker 4: you develop and cultivate strong relationships. Develop cultivate and really

1065
00:51:44,480 --> 00:51:49,600
Speaker 4: appreciate relationships, and hone in on keeping just good relationships.

1066
00:51:49,800 --> 00:51:51,480
Speaker 3: Why do you think that's so important?

1067
00:51:51,719 --> 00:51:54,759
Speaker 4: It helps you monetize things, but at the same time,

1068
00:51:55,200 --> 00:51:59,000
Speaker 4: it's everything is about relationships. I stepped back from in

1069
00:51:58,800 --> 00:52:01,319
Speaker 4: the industry, came back. The reason I was able to

1070
00:52:01,320 --> 00:52:03,719
Speaker 4: do that and transition right back is because of relationships.

1071
00:52:03,719 --> 00:52:05,800
Speaker 3: It's only someone else on the other end of the deal, right.

1072
00:52:05,880 --> 00:52:08,319
Speaker 4: Yeah, And people fuck with me. People like me, they

1073
00:52:08,360 --> 00:52:10,719
Speaker 4: like doing bids with me, they like me personally, they

1074
00:52:10,760 --> 00:52:12,719
Speaker 4: know that I'm not I'm not on the fuck ship.

1075
00:52:12,920 --> 00:52:16,880
Speaker 4: And that was number two. Surround yourself with solid people

1076
00:52:16,920 --> 00:52:20,839
Speaker 4: that really have you and their best interests. Because there's

1077
00:52:20,840 --> 00:52:22,040
Speaker 4: a lot of fun boys.

1078
00:52:22,080 --> 00:52:23,920
Speaker 1: I a lot like you could be that one guy

1079
00:52:23,960 --> 00:52:26,200
Speaker 1: who's not, but like your friends, you're.

1080
00:52:26,080 --> 00:52:29,200
Speaker 4: Surrounded by it and surrounded You're surrounded by people. So

1081
00:52:29,239 --> 00:52:33,560
Speaker 4: those are the two things. Cultivate strong relationships and stay

1082
00:52:33,560 --> 00:52:37,440
Speaker 4: away from phony two three dollar ass motherfuckers this that

1083
00:52:37,560 --> 00:52:40,640
Speaker 4: don't see you and don't have you in their best interest.

1084
00:52:40,680 --> 00:52:42,239
Speaker 4: And that's really it. If you're trying to come in

1085
00:52:42,280 --> 00:52:45,040
Speaker 4: this business, you know, I could do all the work

1086
00:52:45,080 --> 00:52:47,839
Speaker 4: hard and be you know, be passionate of course about

1087
00:52:47,880 --> 00:52:52,319
Speaker 4: your ship. But relationships, man, It's about relationships, man.

1088
00:52:52,640 --> 00:52:55,040
Speaker 3: And say no to drugs unless they're like really good

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Speaker 3: and then.

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Speaker 4: Death Jerry Clark storytell with my boy, look, I love

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Speaker 4: my boy, Hey with my boy paying Lindsay talking to

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Speaker 4: death man, make sure y'all tune in because this one

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Speaker 4: the dopest podcasts around. And I mean that.

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Speaker 1: I mean that, So he tells everybody though, Yeah he

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Speaker 1: paid me that ship. Yeah, yeah, I got it back. Yeah.

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Speaker 4: I appreciate you having me all.

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Speaker 3: This has been fun due thank you much for coming out.

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Speaker 5: Talking to Death is a production of Tenorfoot TV and

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Speaker 5: iHeart Podcasts, created and hosted by Payne Lindsay. For Tenderfoot TV,

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Speaker 5: executive producers are Payne Lindsay and Donald Albright. Co executive

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Speaker 5: producer is Mike Rooney. For iHeart Podcasts, executive producers are

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Speaker 5: Matt Frederick and Alex Williams. With original music by Makeup

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Speaker 5: and Vanity Set. Additional production by Mike Rooney, Dylan Harrington,

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Speaker 5: Sean Nurney, Dayton Cole, and Gustav Wilde for Coohedo. Production

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Speaker 5: support by Tracy Kaplan, Mara Davis, and Trevor Young. Mixing

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Speaker 5: and mastering by Cooper's and Dayton Cole. Our cover art

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Speaker 5: was created by Rob Sheridan. Check out our website talkingtodeathpodcast

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Speaker 5: dot com.

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Speaker 3: Thanks for listening to this episode of Talking to Death.

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