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Speaker 1: The Book of Joe podcast is a production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 1: Hey there and welcome back. You have found once again

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Speaker 1: the Book of Joe podcast. That's the most interesting podcast

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Speaker 1: about baseball and other things. I'm Tom Berducci. I'm here

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Speaker 1: again with Joe Madden and Joe. It's amazing. While you blinked,

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Speaker 1: half the baseball season is gone. We've just completed thirteen

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Speaker 1: weeks half the major league season.

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Speaker 2: It's amazing how fast it goes.

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Speaker 1: And twenty two of the thirty teams are within five

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Speaker 1: games of a playoff spot. I mean, that is just amazing.

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Speaker 1: Doesn't take much. You got teams under five hundred who

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Speaker 1: still look at themselves as contenders. And by the way,

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Speaker 1: that does not include the World champions Texas eight games

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Speaker 2: A playoff spot.

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Speaker 1: Three teams in the American League Central right now now

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Speaker 1: are holding a playoffs spot. Three teams in the AL Central. Joe,

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Speaker 1: it's been a crazy year so far. What's your take?

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Speaker 1: Halfway through? It stands out for you.

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Speaker 3: Well, you just brought up every spring, I thought the

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Speaker 3: same thing, to get the camp, and everything goes slowly.

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Speaker 3: It's slow time. It's slow time. And then the season

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Speaker 3: begins and it's slow time. A lot of day games

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Speaker 3: days off slow time, and then it turns into fast time.

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Speaker 3: And once it does that, wow, it just unravels so quickly.

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Speaker 3: It's like a roll of toilet paper. Closer to the

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Speaker 3: end the faster it gets. So it's phenomenon that you

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Speaker 3: experience as a member when you're actually working the season. Now,

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Speaker 3: all these records you're talking about, I don't know. I'm

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Speaker 3: asking to myself, I have I've noticed all that obviously?

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Speaker 3: Is it good? Is it good to be so mediocre?

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Speaker 3: Is it good that mediocrity permits you then to become

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Speaker 3: part of the dance. I know, going back, even as

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Speaker 3: my first time manager, Gig with the Rays came up

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Speaker 3: with nine equals eight, nine players playing nine and hard

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Speaker 3: as the Rays and yet to win ninety games, ninety

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Speaker 3: some games and wouldn't even be considered. And I'm not

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Speaker 3: disputing I like the extra wild card team. I've said

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Speaker 3: But as it then permit the more of a mediocre

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Speaker 3: That's how I always viewed the season. I used to

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Speaker 3: ninety wins and then here we go. So it's good

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Speaker 3: for fan bases. I guess there's an engagement process, But

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Speaker 3: then teams get to the point where like should we

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Speaker 3: different thoughts that are generated with this methodology. Like I said,

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Speaker 3: I'm looking at the records. Wow, I mean sub five

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Speaker 3: kind of things used to drive me nuts. It's sending

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Speaker 3: don't like it. You're right, though, the Central has become

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Speaker 3: there's better young players. I get that, but these are

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Speaker 3: my thoughts. It's that's a little random stuff, but that's

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Speaker 3: that's how I view all this and those are the

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Speaker 1: Joe, there's one story to me that's the biggest storyline

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Speaker 1: and that is Aaron Judge. I almost get the sense

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Speaker 1: We really have to stop and take account of what

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Speaker 1: bending what's going on here? Five of his last ten

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Speaker 1: his last forty nine games, sixty two in his last

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Speaker 1: fifty game stretch. This is heading into Tuesday Night, fifty

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Speaker 2: That's it.

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Speaker 1: And if you notice, Aaron Judge is the only right

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Speaker 1: It's just remarkable to me, Joe, what's going on? And

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Speaker 1: he's actually better than ever. We're talking about a six

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Speaker 1: And I'm gonna give you some numbers as we get

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Speaker 1: just get the sense, Joe, that he's not getting his

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Speaker 2: We're looking at something truly historic.

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Speaker 3: Agreed, And I listen, he I'm just thinking about this.

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Speaker 3: First of all, when you talk about his offensive numbers.

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Speaker 3: I love his swing. We all love his swing. I mean,

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Speaker 3: of course he gets in the moments of chasing pitches.

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Speaker 3: it's almost being that tall. The bats almost has to

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Speaker 3: think it starts with that. Mechanically, he's really really good. Mentally,

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Speaker 3: he's very, very tough. And you're right, I mean, you're

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Speaker 3: seeing all of this. There's no reason for it to

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Speaker 3: different things. That's the ebb and flow of a major

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Speaker 3: all of that, Okay, that's the one thing. But the

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Speaker 3: thing I love about him is he is the captain.

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Speaker 3: seen the videos that's there was nothing really disdainful about

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Speaker 3: telling him, we don't do that here. And that's the

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Speaker 3: line I love. When you have a leader in your

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Speaker 3: judge you handles himself so well the line we don't

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Speaker 3: in line, and this is how we became successful. It's

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Speaker 3: the field physically, and I get it. It's absolutely deserve it.

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Speaker 3: But I love the way hands being a captain of

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean to borrow your terminology. He's a complete

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Speaker 1: level five player. All he cares about is winning, yeah, right,

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Speaker 1: And he is definitively Aaron Boone's lead. Bull Boone goes

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Speaker 1: to him all the time now to talk about things

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Speaker 1: is truly a captain I talked about the numbers, Joe.

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Speaker 1: sixty nine. So what he's doing offensively is just shouldn't

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Speaker 1: This year, we just talked about how great he's been.

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Speaker 1: He's getting more pitches to hit than ever before in

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Speaker 1: He is up to basically forty nine percent in the

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Speaker 1: as simple as that Wan Soto is on base more

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Speaker 1: Last year it was forty percent. And if you look

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Speaker 1: more strikes. So, as counterintuitive as it is, Joe, pitchers

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Speaker 1: he's on the greatest, one of the greatest fifty game

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Speaker 3: I wouldn't.

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Speaker 2: I wouldn't either, Hey, listen.

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Speaker 1: I talked to Carlos Mendoza after, you know, he was

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Speaker 1: He thought about walking Aaron Judge with the bases loaded

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Speaker 2: Hit a grand Slam and made it a two run game.

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Speaker 2: So I'm with you.

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Speaker 1: I'd much rather pitch to Aaron Judge and walk him

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Speaker 2: I don't care who's on base.

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Speaker 3: Josh Hamilton did it with him with the bases loaded,

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Speaker 1: It's I guess it's our Aaron Judge edition. I mean,

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Speaker 1: don't throw him somebody strikes and just walk him. But

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Speaker 1: I don't think you're going to put him into a

433
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Speaker 1: funk the way you did with Bryce Harper, because Bryce

434
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Speaker 1: Harper is like a shooter in basketball, he needs to

435
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Speaker 1: swing the bat. Aaron Judge is not that way. I mean,

436
00:21:23,478 --> 00:21:26,558
Speaker 1: he's so economical with damage to swing ratio.

437
00:21:26,718 --> 00:21:28,958
Speaker 3: Well, Harper was younger at that time too. I mean,

438
00:21:29,878 --> 00:21:33,038
Speaker 3: Judge is pretty mature as a baseball player and where

439
00:21:33,078 --> 00:21:34,918
Speaker 3: he's at in his life and his own skin. So

440
00:21:34,958 --> 00:21:37,598
Speaker 3: I think there was a difference with that. And you're

441
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Speaker 3: right that was based on Zimmerman hitting behind him, and

442
00:21:40,998 --> 00:21:43,318
Speaker 3: they had Anthony Rendone who was swinging the bat well

443
00:21:43,358 --> 00:21:45,998
Speaker 3: at that time, and Daniel Murphy and Murph didn't care

444
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Speaker 3: if you were a left handed or right handed pitcher

445
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Speaker 3: at all. So the fact that they didn't manipulate their

446
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Speaker 3: lineup if they had, I would definitely would have done

447
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Speaker 3: something differently. I would not have just walked him if

448
00:21:55,398 --> 00:21:58,318
Speaker 3: Murph was behind him, or for sure Anthony was behind him,

449
00:21:58,438 --> 00:22:00,478
Speaker 3: would not have done it. But the fact that Zimmerman

450
00:22:00,718 --> 00:22:02,478
Speaker 3: was and Zimmerman was not going good at that time.

451
00:22:02,518 --> 00:22:05,198
Speaker 3: So again, these are all the Every game is different,

452
00:22:05,358 --> 00:22:08,038
Speaker 3: every set of fingerprints are different, and you got to

453
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Speaker 3: just read what's going on right now. That's where I'm

454
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Speaker 3: into trends and not necessarily the big picture. There's times

455
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Speaker 3: when the big picture fits defense. It always fits. How

456
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Speaker 3: I'm going to pitch the tom Berducci it always fits.

457
00:22:20,478 --> 00:22:22,478
Speaker 3: But in the line of construction I'm going to pitch

458
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Speaker 3: to whatever. Who am I going to pitch out of

459
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Speaker 3: the bullpen? Changes based on trends, and you got to

460
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Speaker 3: pay attention to them.

461
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Speaker 2: How about this.

462
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Speaker 1: The two hitters who have seen the most pitches when

463
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Speaker 1: they're ahead of the count are Juan Soto and Aaron Judge.

464
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Speaker 1: I mean they just control counts because you know, pitchers

465
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Speaker 1: tend to fall behind they nibble.

466
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Speaker 2: But here's the issue.

467
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Speaker 1: Do not try to challenge Aaron Judge once you fall

468
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Speaker 1: behind him when pitchers throw him a fastball in the zone.

469
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Speaker 1: When they're behind the count, he slugs nine to thirty.

470
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Speaker 1: I mean he hits four nineteen and slugs nine to thirty.

471
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Speaker 1: So well, when I see two three to one counts

472
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Speaker 1: and someone thinks they're going to get back into the

473
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Speaker 1: count with a fastball to Aaron Judge, just sign up

474
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Speaker 1: for the walk, dude, don't challenge him with a fastball.

475
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Speaker 1: But it's amazing that back to back you're watching Soto

476
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Speaker 1: and Judge, who control the count more than any other

477
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Speaker 1: two hitters in baseball, and they're hitting back to back

478
00:23:24,198 --> 00:23:24,798
Speaker 1: in the lineup.

479
00:23:25,358 --> 00:23:28,398
Speaker 3: Again, the American League is used to be wrought with

480
00:23:28,438 --> 00:23:31,878
Speaker 3: those kind of players, and at that time with the

481
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Speaker 3: Rays Andrew, the big thought there was you need to

482
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Speaker 3: find pitchers that can get these kind of hitters out

483
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Speaker 3: within the strike zone. Not easy to do. You know,

484
00:23:41,078 --> 00:23:43,678
Speaker 3: UCLSS Kevin was really good at controlling this. You could

485
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Speaker 3: go up and down the lineups. So these different teams

486
00:23:45,918 --> 00:23:49,198
Speaker 3: really good at controlling they're at bats in regards to

487
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Speaker 3: their strike zones. So you have to find pitchers that

488
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Speaker 3: can get hitters out within the strike zone. That's that's

489
00:23:54,958 --> 00:23:56,918
Speaker 3: the whole thing. Now, I don't even know who those

490
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Speaker 3: guys are. These days. You know the fact that there's

491
00:23:59,038 --> 00:24:03,038
Speaker 3: so much just time spent on velocity as opposed to pitching,

492
00:24:03,678 --> 00:24:05,838
Speaker 3: and and how that plays out and what that means.

493
00:24:05,878 --> 00:24:08,558
Speaker 3: I can't break that down this quickly right now, but

494
00:24:08,798 --> 00:24:11,878
Speaker 3: I do know philosophically, in order to win with in

495
00:24:11,918 --> 00:24:15,238
Speaker 3: the American Leagueese, the big part of our ascension was

496
00:24:15,318 --> 00:24:17,998
Speaker 3: getting pictures that can get hitters out within the strike zone.

497
00:24:18,118 --> 00:24:21,398
Speaker 3: Matt Garza getting him Guards had a real good sinker,

498
00:24:21,718 --> 00:24:25,238
Speaker 3: nice slider through ninety three to ninety four downhill, okay,

499
00:24:25,638 --> 00:24:28,318
Speaker 3: and then of course James Shill's a devastating changeups. David

500
00:24:28,318 --> 00:24:30,718
Speaker 3: Price came in with his stuff. Alex Cobb one of

501
00:24:30,718 --> 00:24:33,998
Speaker 3: the best splitters I've ever seen in person. Getting him

502
00:24:34,038 --> 00:24:36,278
Speaker 3: out in the strike zone, it'd be a strike ball

503
00:24:36,358 --> 00:24:38,518
Speaker 3: with two strikes. We had a bunch of those guys.

504
00:24:38,798 --> 00:24:41,438
Speaker 3: Way Davis was the starter, then became a bullpen guy,

505
00:24:41,438 --> 00:24:43,918
Speaker 3: but he was a starter with us, Jake McGee, we

506
00:24:43,998 --> 00:24:46,118
Speaker 3: had some really good arms. These guys had to get

507
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Speaker 3: these hitters out in the strike zone. That's what you

508
00:24:49,598 --> 00:24:51,798
Speaker 3: need in order to beat the Yankees. That would be

509
00:24:51,878 --> 00:24:54,838
Speaker 3: the ultimate way to do that. So if you don't

510
00:24:54,878 --> 00:24:57,478
Speaker 3: want to have to pitch around these guys or worry

511
00:24:57,478 --> 00:25:00,438
Speaker 3: about protection and on protection, you have to develop a

512
00:25:00,558 --> 00:25:04,558
Speaker 3: cadre of starting pitchers that are able to get hitters

513
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Speaker 3: out within the strikeland. That's got to be your model.

514
00:25:07,158 --> 00:25:09,398
Speaker 3: That's got to be the proving round for why they're

515
00:25:09,598 --> 00:25:11,918
Speaker 3: in your organization, on your team, on your major league team,

516
00:25:12,318 --> 00:25:14,318
Speaker 3: that you believe these guys can do that. And that's

517
00:25:14,318 --> 00:25:15,398
Speaker 3: what we had to do with the race.

518
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Speaker 1: I'm glad you brought that up, Joe, because you understand

519
00:25:18,438 --> 00:25:22,038
Speaker 1: that in today's game, it's a lot about matchups, especially

520
00:25:22,078 --> 00:25:24,918
Speaker 1: when you get to the postseason. You know, going into

521
00:25:24,998 --> 00:25:27,678
Speaker 1: a game, who you want on the other team's best

522
00:25:27,718 --> 00:25:30,558
Speaker 1: hitters in a big spot in the seventh, eighth, or

523
00:25:30,638 --> 00:25:35,238
Speaker 1: ninth inning. That's pretty much driving the game today, especially

524
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Speaker 1: in the postseason for me. And you better have someone

525
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Speaker 1: who can get that pocket. Now. Of course, obviously he

526
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Speaker 1: has to pitch to at least three betters, Aaron Judge,

527
00:25:44,158 --> 00:25:45,678
Speaker 1: if you go back just a couple of years ago,

528
00:25:45,958 --> 00:25:48,598
Speaker 1: you could bring in guys who had good, hard two

529
00:25:48,638 --> 00:25:51,678
Speaker 1: seemers that run in on his hands and then flip

530
00:25:51,718 --> 00:25:52,878
Speaker 1: a slider down on a way.

531
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Speaker 2: That's the way you got him out and.

532
00:25:54,398 --> 00:25:57,358
Speaker 1: Teams would do that in the postseason, run the ball

533
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Speaker 1: in on his hands with some velocity, especially above his hands,

534
00:26:00,718 --> 00:26:03,118
Speaker 1: maybe even off the plate, but certainly on the inside corner.

535
00:26:03,918 --> 00:26:06,358
Speaker 2: Don't do that anymore. I think Aaron.

536
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Speaker 1: Judge has closed that hole and he's an absolute nightmare

537
00:26:11,078 --> 00:26:15,478
Speaker 1: matchup for an opposing manager. His slugging percentage against right

538
00:26:15,478 --> 00:26:19,318
Speaker 1: handed pitchers is seven oh nine. Against lefties it's seven

539
00:26:19,398 --> 00:26:24,238
Speaker 1: oh three. I mean, he is destroying right handed sinkers,

540
00:26:24,278 --> 00:26:25,758
Speaker 1: which used to give him a little bit of a

541
00:26:25,798 --> 00:26:29,318
Speaker 1: problem career best three seventy two average against it. So

542
00:26:29,998 --> 00:26:32,278
Speaker 1: that's the problem for me with Aaron Judge. Yeah, you

543
00:26:32,638 --> 00:26:34,598
Speaker 1: can walk them, but there's going to be times late

544
00:26:34,638 --> 00:26:36,678
Speaker 1: in the game where you're gonna have to pitch the

545
00:26:36,798 --> 00:26:39,998
Speaker 1: Soto and Judge with the game on the line. And

546
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Speaker 1: if I'm a manager at this point, Joe, I don't

547
00:26:43,118 --> 00:26:46,398
Speaker 1: know what type of picture I want to face Aaron

548
00:26:46,518 --> 00:26:49,518
Speaker 1: Judge because he's covering just about everything.

549
00:26:49,878 --> 00:26:52,238
Speaker 2: And that to me was the same case with David Ortiz.

550
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Speaker 1: You know, when he first came up with the Red

551
00:26:53,878 --> 00:26:56,638
Speaker 1: Sox and he was banging the ball everywhere, he still

552
00:26:56,678 --> 00:26:59,558
Speaker 1: had a hole above his hands on velocity in he

553
00:26:59,598 --> 00:27:01,918
Speaker 1: closed that and there was no way to get him

554
00:27:01,918 --> 00:27:05,998
Speaker 1: out in the postseason. So for me as an opposing manager,

555
00:27:06,038 --> 00:27:08,798
Speaker 1: Aaron Judge, I really I don't know where you go.

556
00:27:09,198 --> 00:27:11,678
Speaker 3: Again, I haven't You're right, and I haven't had a

557
00:27:11,758 --> 00:27:15,798
Speaker 3: chance to study it more closely in a couple of years.

558
00:27:15,838 --> 00:27:17,918
Speaker 3: But those are the things I would look at, and

559
00:27:17,958 --> 00:27:19,678
Speaker 3: like you just mentioned, the latter part of the game

560
00:27:19,718 --> 00:27:21,358
Speaker 3: and learning the latter part of the game. If you

561
00:27:21,398 --> 00:27:23,998
Speaker 3: have a lead, these are your better guys in the

562
00:27:24,038 --> 00:27:26,718
Speaker 3: latter part of the game. If you are behind, he's

563
00:27:26,718 --> 00:27:28,438
Speaker 3: going to see some cookies. They're going to be the

564
00:27:28,518 --> 00:27:30,478
Speaker 3: less stand They're not going to be the even or

565
00:27:30,478 --> 00:27:34,478
Speaker 3: ahead bullpen. I always want it minimum for even ahead

566
00:27:34,958 --> 00:27:37,838
Speaker 3: relief pitchers. Minimum, whereas you can bring them in a

567
00:27:37,878 --> 00:27:39,798
Speaker 3: game when the scores even or you're ahead, and you

568
00:27:39,838 --> 00:27:42,798
Speaker 3: feel good that they're going to maintain that or the

569
00:27:43,078 --> 00:27:46,558
Speaker 3: either the tie or the fact that you're ahead. Certain

570
00:27:46,598 --> 00:27:49,918
Speaker 3: guys pitch better in deficits, and other guys are just

571
00:27:50,038 --> 00:27:52,398
Speaker 3: they're there because you don't want to use them in

572
00:27:52,398 --> 00:27:54,638
Speaker 3: these higher leverage situations. They're there to suck up some

573
00:27:54,678 --> 00:27:57,318
Speaker 3: innings and hopefully get lucky. Although I do love the

574
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Speaker 3: concept of the middle inning reliever that holds a small

575
00:28:00,998 --> 00:28:02,878
Speaker 3: lead or even a small deficit if you have a

576
00:28:02,918 --> 00:28:06,558
Speaker 3: good offense. JP Out and Grant Balfour where those guys.

577
00:28:06,598 --> 00:28:09,078
Speaker 3: Those guys taught me that in two thousand and eight.

578
00:28:09,358 --> 00:28:12,478
Speaker 3: So there's just so much to think about here. And again,

579
00:28:12,758 --> 00:28:14,998
Speaker 3: when it comes down to construction of these bullpens, it's

580
00:28:15,038 --> 00:28:17,758
Speaker 3: pretty much based on velocity, and i'd have to again,

581
00:28:17,798 --> 00:28:19,598
Speaker 3: I haven't looked at it in a while, watch games

582
00:28:19,598 --> 00:28:22,158
Speaker 3: a little bit on TV. I do, but to break

583
00:28:22,198 --> 00:28:24,078
Speaker 3: it down and look at what these guys because I

584
00:28:24,118 --> 00:28:26,558
Speaker 3: got to see stuff in person. For me to really

585
00:28:26,598 --> 00:28:28,638
Speaker 3: tell you exactly what I think, it's got to go

586
00:28:28,638 --> 00:28:31,758
Speaker 3: beyond a video, a television performance or something i've read.

587
00:28:31,998 --> 00:28:33,798
Speaker 3: I got to see this stuff with my own eyeballs,

588
00:28:33,798 --> 00:28:36,078
Speaker 3: and that's where I really draw my conclusions. And then

589
00:28:36,118 --> 00:28:39,518
Speaker 3: I kind of morphed together the written information, the data,

590
00:28:39,598 --> 00:28:43,598
Speaker 3: the video whatever with what I'm seeing. The competitive value

591
00:28:43,638 --> 00:28:45,398
Speaker 3: of this guy, how the ball comes out of his hand,

592
00:28:45,598 --> 00:28:47,318
Speaker 3: what does he look like in a hot moment. All

593
00:28:47,358 --> 00:28:51,358
Speaker 3: these things matter. So to really achieve and get guys

594
00:28:51,558 --> 00:28:55,078
Speaker 3: like this out, it's not easy, and sometimes it's almost impossible.

595
00:28:55,558 --> 00:28:59,878
Speaker 3: But It's all about that, to nurture pictures that can

596
00:28:59,918 --> 00:29:03,878
Speaker 3: get guys out within a strike zone because they don't shack.

597
00:29:04,758 --> 00:29:07,198
Speaker 3: And god, is that fun. It is so fun when

598
00:29:07,238 --> 00:29:10,198
Speaker 3: we ascend it with the Rays to what we did

599
00:29:10,678 --> 00:29:14,078
Speaker 3: in the late two thousands there of two thousand and eight, nine, ten, whatever,

600
00:29:14,638 --> 00:29:16,318
Speaker 3: we had a bunch of guys we were really we

601
00:29:16,358 --> 00:29:18,478
Speaker 3: could catch the ball, and we got pictures that could

602
00:29:18,478 --> 00:29:20,958
Speaker 3: get guys out in the strike zone, and that's what

603
00:29:21,118 --> 00:29:22,558
Speaker 3: started the ascension of the race.

604
00:29:23,158 --> 00:29:25,158
Speaker 2: One last note of context here.

605
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Speaker 1: Hitting by outfielders in the Major leagues this year stinks,

606
00:29:30,518 --> 00:29:31,358
Speaker 1: absolutely stinks.

607
00:29:31,398 --> 00:29:31,518
Speaker 3: Right.

608
00:29:31,918 --> 00:29:34,518
Speaker 1: Batting average is two thirty nine, the OPS is seven

609
00:29:34,598 --> 00:29:38,238
Speaker 1: oh five. Those are the worst numbers since nineteen sixty nine,

610
00:29:38,278 --> 00:29:41,678
Speaker 1: since the mound was lowered. Jose Siri of the Rays,

611
00:29:41,718 --> 00:29:46,038
Speaker 1: who's not a good offensive player, has an average OPS.

612
00:29:46,238 --> 00:29:49,958
Speaker 1: He is your average hitting outfielder right now. So let's

613
00:29:49,998 --> 00:29:52,998
Speaker 1: put this in the context. We're talking about it's harder

614
00:29:52,998 --> 00:29:54,958
Speaker 1: to get a hit in the major league season this

615
00:29:55,038 --> 00:29:59,638
Speaker 1: year than anytime in the last fifty five years. Outfield

616
00:29:59,678 --> 00:30:03,078
Speaker 1: production is the worst it's been in fifty five years.

617
00:30:03,518 --> 00:30:07,318
Speaker 1: The Yanke Keys have the worst cleanup hitters in the

618
00:30:07,398 --> 00:30:10,798
Speaker 1: history of the franchise, and Aaron Judge is halfway to

619
00:30:10,878 --> 00:30:14,558
Speaker 1: sixty two home runs halfway through the season. It's just incredible.

620
00:30:14,558 --> 00:30:15,198
Speaker 2: What's going on.

621
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Speaker 3: Well, part of my philosophy, my theories on that is

622
00:30:18,998 --> 00:30:22,518
Speaker 3: that a lot of the outfielders are playing shortstop guys

623
00:30:22,598 --> 00:30:27,158
Speaker 3: like the short Daily Cruise and Cruise with the Pirates.

624
00:30:27,478 --> 00:30:29,718
Speaker 3: These are guys that normally would be in outfielders, and

625
00:30:29,758 --> 00:30:31,758
Speaker 3: I don't know why we're force feeding them into the infield.

626
00:30:31,758 --> 00:30:35,078
Speaker 3: They're really tall, it's difficult for them to make certain

627
00:30:35,158 --> 00:30:39,158
Speaker 3: kind of plays. So I think you're seeing shorts trying

628
00:30:39,158 --> 00:30:41,638
Speaker 3: to make shortstop more of an offensive position, and you're

629
00:30:41,638 --> 00:30:44,198
Speaker 3: getting guys that normally would have been outfielders on the infield.

630
00:30:44,438 --> 00:30:48,078
Speaker 3: That's my perspective, and again I'm not seeing them in person.

631
00:30:48,358 --> 00:30:50,318
Speaker 3: This is things that just I'm looking at, and I

632
00:30:50,358 --> 00:30:53,558
Speaker 3: think that's part of why we're seeing less production in

633
00:30:53,598 --> 00:30:56,598
Speaker 3: the infield that hire a greater production and shortstop. I'd

634
00:30:56,638 --> 00:30:58,878
Speaker 3: be curious that even you know, I've talked about Boba shit,

635
00:30:59,238 --> 00:31:01,118
Speaker 3: all these guys to me belong in the outfield. From

636
00:31:01,118 --> 00:31:03,158
Speaker 3: what I can see, Lookie Betts is moving back to

637
00:31:03,198 --> 00:31:07,318
Speaker 3: the outfield or apparently, so there's been like walking away

638
00:31:07,358 --> 00:31:12,518
Speaker 3: from there, the smaller shortstop, more defense over offense kind

639
00:31:12,558 --> 00:31:14,318
Speaker 3: of a thing. But to me, we talked about this,

640
00:31:14,398 --> 00:31:18,118
Speaker 3: Anthony Bolpi, to me is the perfect shortstop. He hits

641
00:31:18,158 --> 00:31:20,678
Speaker 3: plenty enough, but the guy can pick it at shortstop.

642
00:31:20,718 --> 00:31:23,638
Speaker 3: If you walk away from defense up the middle, you're

643
00:31:23,678 --> 00:31:25,958
Speaker 3: definitely going to be injured at some point. And I

644
00:31:25,998 --> 00:31:29,438
Speaker 3: don't know how if you get enough offense to mitigate

645
00:31:29,478 --> 00:31:32,438
Speaker 3: what you're not getting on defense with offense. So look

646
00:31:32,478 --> 00:31:34,758
Speaker 3: at that too. I think there's been a push. Again.

647
00:31:35,318 --> 00:31:37,638
Speaker 3: I have to see there in person, but it appears

648
00:31:37,638 --> 00:31:39,838
Speaker 3: to me that more outfielders are playing in the infield now,

649
00:31:40,118 --> 00:31:42,798
Speaker 3: and with that, you're seeing less production in the outfield,

650
00:31:43,238 --> 00:31:47,318
Speaker 3: and then I'm seeing less really good actions are throwing ability,

651
00:31:47,598 --> 00:31:49,838
Speaker 3: consistent accuracy from the infielders.

652
00:31:50,158 --> 00:31:51,198
Speaker 2: Well, you're not wrong.

653
00:31:51,278 --> 00:31:54,158
Speaker 1: I mean, listen, the general population is getting much bigger.

654
00:31:54,198 --> 00:31:56,918
Speaker 1: You just look at other sports height in the NBA,

655
00:31:57,198 --> 00:31:58,518
Speaker 1: size in the NFL.

656
00:31:59,038 --> 00:32:00,718
Speaker 2: It's the same case in Major League Baseball.

657
00:32:00,758 --> 00:32:02,718
Speaker 1: I mean, we've got guys more than two hundred pounds

658
00:32:02,758 --> 00:32:06,478
Speaker 1: playing shortstop. Twenty three, twenty four years old Gunner Henderson,

659
00:32:06,518 --> 00:32:11,438
Speaker 1: Ellie de la Cruz, Bobby Witch, Junior, cj Abrams, O'Neill, Cruz.

660
00:32:11,558 --> 00:32:15,958
Speaker 1: It's it's amazing this generation of shortstops who are six

661
00:32:16,078 --> 00:32:19,478
Speaker 1: to two hundred and twenty pounds, who can still run

662
00:32:19,558 --> 00:32:20,878
Speaker 1: like the wind and play the position.

663
00:32:21,398 --> 00:32:22,758
Speaker 2: I think they're all shortstops.

664
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Speaker 1: I just think we have to recalibrate our minds at

665
00:32:25,038 --> 00:32:27,398
Speaker 1: what a shortstop looks like. And let's face it, there

666
00:32:27,398 --> 00:32:29,118
Speaker 1: are a fewer ground balls in the game today. They

667
00:32:29,118 --> 00:32:32,198
Speaker 1: are more strikeouts, So you're not the shortstop is not

668
00:32:32,238 --> 00:32:34,398
Speaker 1: being asked to field as many ground balls as Ozzie

669
00:32:34,438 --> 00:32:37,398
Speaker 1: Smith did. I get that, but for some reason, we're

670
00:32:37,438 --> 00:32:41,598
Speaker 1: not developing, especially center fielders. Besides the shortstops who could

671
00:32:41,598 --> 00:32:44,878
Speaker 1: play the outfield. We're just not seeing those great hitters

672
00:32:44,878 --> 00:32:48,758
Speaker 1: in the outfield. Joe I had mentioned. I saw something

673
00:32:49,278 --> 00:32:52,918
Speaker 1: in Colorado. It involves our buddy, Buddy Black. There was

674
00:32:52,958 --> 00:32:56,638
Speaker 1: a situation tenth thenning where the Brewers had I think

675
00:32:56,718 --> 00:32:59,598
Speaker 1: it was nine people on the mound if I counted correctly,

676
00:33:00,198 --> 00:33:02,798
Speaker 1: you know they've walked two guys to load the bases

677
00:33:02,838 --> 00:33:05,078
Speaker 1: in a tie game with one out, set up a

678
00:33:05,118 --> 00:33:08,278
Speaker 1: forced play all around, and the pitching coach and Ricky Weeks,

679
00:33:08,318 --> 00:33:11,638
Speaker 1: the bench manager came out to the mound and they

680
00:33:11,638 --> 00:33:13,798
Speaker 1: brought in one of the outfielders to make a five

681
00:33:13,878 --> 00:33:14,558
Speaker 1: man infield.

682
00:33:14,638 --> 00:33:17,118
Speaker 2: So you have a five infielders, the pitcher to catch.

683
00:33:16,958 --> 00:33:21,918
Speaker 1: Her, and a pitching coach and the bench coach and

684
00:33:21,998 --> 00:33:24,678
Speaker 1: Bud Black came out and I'm assuming his argument was

685
00:33:25,238 --> 00:33:27,638
Speaker 1: is that even legal? How do you have two guys

686
00:33:27,638 --> 00:33:30,358
Speaker 1: from the dugout at a mound meeting and should account

687
00:33:30,438 --> 00:33:32,918
Speaker 1: as a double visit and now you have to make

688
00:33:32,958 --> 00:33:33,318
Speaker 1: a move.

689
00:33:33,878 --> 00:33:36,078
Speaker 2: I mean they let it go the next pitch.

690
00:33:36,518 --> 00:33:39,358
Speaker 1: Actually, the Rockies won the game on the very next

691
00:33:39,398 --> 00:33:40,878
Speaker 1: pitch on a single by Jake Cave.

692
00:33:41,198 --> 00:33:44,838
Speaker 2: But I've never seen two guys from the dugout come

693
00:33:44,878 --> 00:33:45,798
Speaker 2: out to the mound. Now.

694
00:33:45,878 --> 00:33:48,878
Speaker 1: Ricky Weeks was carrying an infield glove because one of

695
00:33:48,878 --> 00:33:51,998
Speaker 1: the outfielders, I think was South Freelick, wanted to use

696
00:33:52,038 --> 00:33:54,238
Speaker 1: the infielders glove to play the infield. I get that,

697
00:33:54,878 --> 00:33:57,798
Speaker 1: but they actually were having conversations with players, both the

698
00:33:57,798 --> 00:34:00,678
Speaker 1: pitching coach and the bench coach on the mound in

699
00:34:00,718 --> 00:34:03,238
Speaker 1: that situation. I don't even know if that's legal, but

700
00:34:03,278 --> 00:34:05,798
Speaker 1: it certainly odd out of got nuts.

701
00:34:06,478 --> 00:34:08,198
Speaker 3: I don't think it's legal. I think you could bring

702
00:34:08,238 --> 00:34:10,558
Speaker 3: an interpreter out there if one of these guys needed

703
00:34:10,638 --> 00:34:14,278
Speaker 3: an interpreter, that would be somebody separate from a coach. Yeah,

704
00:34:14,318 --> 00:34:16,158
Speaker 3: I don't think that's legal. I'm really curious to hear

705
00:34:16,158 --> 00:34:18,638
Speaker 3: what the result is, but I think I'd have been

706
00:34:18,678 --> 00:34:21,918
Speaker 3: really upset had I seen that. My original intentions back

707
00:34:21,998 --> 00:34:24,158
Speaker 3: in the day when I started doing that. You're talking

708
00:34:24,158 --> 00:34:27,558
Speaker 3: about a defensive situation. My original intent was to have

709
00:34:27,638 --> 00:34:30,118
Speaker 3: a defensive coach go out to the mound, like fully

710
00:34:30,358 --> 00:34:33,718
Speaker 3: Tom Foley and Tampa Bay if we had something going

711
00:34:33,718 --> 00:34:35,678
Speaker 3: on defense as a five man if you would ever

712
00:34:35,958 --> 00:34:38,078
Speaker 3: bunt defense latter part of the game, let them go

713
00:34:38,118 --> 00:34:40,798
Speaker 3: out there as opposed to me or the pitching coach,

714
00:34:40,998 --> 00:34:43,758
Speaker 3: and more talk to the infielders than the pitcher about,

715
00:34:43,958 --> 00:34:45,878
Speaker 3: you know, the situation it had. I've always thought that

716
00:34:45,998 --> 00:34:48,438
Speaker 3: might be an interesting way to do it. Although part

717
00:34:48,478 --> 00:34:50,518
Speaker 3: of it was I felt really comfortable with those moments

718
00:34:50,558 --> 00:34:52,238
Speaker 3: because actually it was a big part of all the

719
00:34:52,358 --> 00:34:55,238
Speaker 3: defensive setups. But I always thought that might be an

720
00:34:55,278 --> 00:34:57,758
Speaker 3: interesting thing to do, is to send a other than

721
00:34:57,878 --> 00:35:01,278
Speaker 3: coach through out there based on the situation, but to

722
00:35:01,318 --> 00:35:03,478
Speaker 3: have two guys go out there if once not an interpreter,

723
00:35:03,518 --> 00:35:05,318
Speaker 3: I don't think that's right. I'm with you.

724
00:35:05,518 --> 00:35:06,878
Speaker 2: Obviously, Buddy Black was.

725
00:35:06,958 --> 00:35:09,598
Speaker 1: I mean, he didn't get any kind of resolution for

726
00:35:09,718 --> 00:35:12,198
Speaker 1: the umpires, but he was I don't want to say

727
00:35:12,198 --> 00:35:15,518
Speaker 1: he was livid. He was more puzzled than anything else,

728
00:35:15,518 --> 00:35:17,678
Speaker 1: saying what the heck is going on here? By the way,

729
00:35:18,358 --> 00:35:21,078
Speaker 1: that anting started, Remember it's extra innings. You get the

730
00:35:21,158 --> 00:35:23,798
Speaker 1: runner on second base, it's a tie game. You're the

731
00:35:23,838 --> 00:35:27,558
Speaker 1: home team. To me, Joe, you have to bunt that

732
00:35:27,678 --> 00:35:30,438
Speaker 1: runner to third base, right, I mean, get the guy

733
00:35:30,478 --> 00:35:31,238
Speaker 1: to third base.

734
00:35:31,278 --> 00:35:32,518
Speaker 2: You win the game with any.

735
00:35:32,438 --> 00:35:37,038
Speaker 1: Kind of an out. Essentially, the batter is Michaeltolia. He's

736
00:35:37,118 --> 00:35:41,678
Speaker 1: hitting one eighty five and he's swinging away. But get this,

737
00:35:41,838 --> 00:35:44,758
Speaker 1: he's swinging away because he has had more than two

738
00:35:44,838 --> 00:35:48,998
Speaker 1: thousand played appearances as a professional baseball player and has

739
00:35:49,158 --> 00:35:53,438
Speaker 1: zero sacrifice bunts. So Buddy Black can't ask him the

740
00:35:53,478 --> 00:35:57,158
Speaker 1: bunt because he literally has never done it as a professional.

741
00:35:57,198 --> 00:35:58,798
Speaker 2: Now, he did move the runner. He had a long

742
00:35:58,798 --> 00:36:01,078
Speaker 2: fly ball, so the result was fine.

743
00:36:01,638 --> 00:36:04,558
Speaker 1: But man, that chaps me when I got into the

744
00:36:04,558 --> 00:36:07,598
Speaker 1: big leagues and it's an obvious bunt situation and you

745
00:36:07,638 --> 00:36:09,878
Speaker 1: can't do it because the guy doesn't know.

746
00:36:09,918 --> 00:36:13,278
Speaker 3: How brother it is. It's really difficult, and that goes

747
00:36:13,358 --> 00:36:17,798
Speaker 3: that speaks to I know, this goes to the minor

748
00:36:17,878 --> 00:36:20,998
Speaker 3: leagues I've had. I've had players that Carl Crawford was

749
00:36:21,158 --> 00:36:23,238
Speaker 3: very had a very difficult time bunning. Although you didn't

750
00:36:23,238 --> 00:36:24,958
Speaker 3: really want CC to bump, but there was the bun

751
00:36:24,998 --> 00:36:27,158
Speaker 3: for him. But Carl tried in the minor leagues but

752
00:36:27,198 --> 00:36:29,638
Speaker 3: really had very stiff technique and wasn't able to do it.

753
00:36:29,758 --> 00:36:32,598
Speaker 3: For me. When you're warning a minor league organization, you're

754
00:36:32,638 --> 00:36:34,518
Speaker 3: the guy on the boots on the ground, you're the

755
00:36:34,518 --> 00:36:37,598
Speaker 3: guy the coordinator. Regardless of where a guy hits in

756
00:36:37,598 --> 00:36:40,318
Speaker 3: the lineup, except if it's like a Timmy. There's certain

757
00:36:40,318 --> 00:36:41,798
Speaker 3: guys that you know you're not going to ask the

758
00:36:41,838 --> 00:36:45,078
Speaker 3: butt in a situation, although you still give them some technique.

759
00:36:45,678 --> 00:36:47,558
Speaker 3: You never know, You just ever know, but you don't.

760
00:36:47,558 --> 00:36:49,238
Speaker 3: But the guys that really are going to be called

761
00:36:49,278 --> 00:36:51,318
Speaker 3: on for it, they have to bunt in the minor

762
00:36:51,438 --> 00:36:54,118
Speaker 3: leagues have to. If a guy hasn't and you try

763
00:36:54,118 --> 00:36:55,958
Speaker 3: to make him or have him understand how to do it,

764
00:36:55,998 --> 00:36:58,198
Speaker 3: on a major league level, it's hard to teach them.

765
00:36:58,478 --> 00:37:01,678
Speaker 3: It's very difficult. It's difficult to give them technique. And then,

766
00:37:01,718 --> 00:37:04,078
Speaker 3: like you're saying, if a guy's not adept at it,

767
00:37:04,478 --> 00:37:05,998
Speaker 3: you don't put the play on because he's going to

768
00:37:06,078 --> 00:37:08,238
Speaker 3: be O two before you know, there's gonna be two

769
00:37:08,278 --> 00:37:09,758
Speaker 3: strikes on him, and then all of a sudden, he's

770
00:37:09,758 --> 00:37:12,358
Speaker 3: gonna have one pitch to swing at. That's our own fault.

771
00:37:12,398 --> 00:37:15,478
Speaker 3: When I first got to the Angels in twenty twenty, right, yeah,

772
00:37:15,518 --> 00:37:18,238
Speaker 3: twenty twenty, I found out that the bunding was not

773
00:37:18,278 --> 00:37:19,638
Speaker 3: taught at all in the minor league for like the

774
00:37:19,678 --> 00:37:21,638
Speaker 3: previous two or three years, not at all. That was

775
00:37:21,718 --> 00:37:24,318
Speaker 3: not part of the landscape. It was it was not

776
00:37:24,758 --> 00:37:27,918
Speaker 3: what we do here at that time. That's my favorite phrase.

777
00:37:27,958 --> 00:37:31,478
Speaker 3: But in that regard, so, how do you get young guys,

778
00:37:31,478 --> 00:37:33,038
Speaker 3: how do you ask them to do something that they've

779
00:37:33,078 --> 00:37:34,998
Speaker 3: never done before? The people, Oh, you just square around,

780
00:37:35,038 --> 00:37:37,838
Speaker 3: you do this. It's difficult, man. When you square around,

781
00:37:37,918 --> 00:37:39,438
Speaker 3: you don't even know how to square around, and the

782
00:37:39,478 --> 00:37:41,878
Speaker 3: ball's coming at you inside, retch your head a little bit,

783
00:37:41,918 --> 00:37:44,558
Speaker 3: you know how to get out of the way. Very uncomfortable,

784
00:37:44,718 --> 00:37:46,318
Speaker 3: just to put that bat and even it out and

785
00:37:46,318 --> 00:37:48,318
Speaker 3: put the ball butt down on the ground first or

786
00:37:48,318 --> 00:37:51,438
Speaker 3: third base whatever, like we've done for years with the

787
00:37:51,598 --> 00:37:53,718
Speaker 3: safety squeeze to the right side. They can't have they

788
00:37:53,718 --> 00:37:56,638
Speaker 3: can't even come close to doing that anything you want

789
00:37:56,758 --> 00:37:59,998
Speaker 3: in your major league team. And again you're talking about

790
00:37:59,998 --> 00:38:02,278
Speaker 3: guys that may have been acquired and came from somewhere else,

791
00:38:02,318 --> 00:38:04,958
Speaker 3: and then you're really kind of screwed. You got to

792
00:38:04,998 --> 00:38:07,278
Speaker 3: get everything done in the minor leagues that you want

793
00:38:07,318 --> 00:38:09,838
Speaker 3: to happen on the major league level. Have to have

794
00:38:09,958 --> 00:38:13,038
Speaker 3: to no excuses. There's plenty of time. You're not giving

795
00:38:13,118 --> 00:38:15,438
Speaker 3: up at bats. These kids could get four hundred at

796
00:38:15,438 --> 00:38:17,398
Speaker 3: bass five hundred played appearances during the course of a

797
00:38:17,398 --> 00:38:19,958
Speaker 3: minor league season if you had it by twenty times

798
00:38:20,278 --> 00:38:22,678
Speaker 3: with put percentage of all those number of played appearances.

799
00:38:22,678 --> 00:38:25,918
Speaker 3: Are those twenty times to do something that may be

800
00:38:26,038 --> 00:38:28,838
Speaker 3: very useful down the road. I listen, I'm that hitting

801
00:38:28,838 --> 00:38:32,118
Speaker 3: the opposite way left handed hitter is bunny against the shift.

802
00:38:32,478 --> 00:38:34,238
Speaker 3: All that stuff needs to be done on the minor

803
00:38:34,318 --> 00:38:38,118
Speaker 3: league level and is not because it's not perceived as

804
00:38:38,158 --> 00:38:40,798
Speaker 3: being important till it's not unimportant till.

805
00:38:40,678 --> 00:38:42,998
Speaker 2: It is amen to that.

806
00:38:43,318 --> 00:38:45,318
Speaker 1: Hey, one of the things we like talking about here

807
00:38:45,358 --> 00:38:48,958
Speaker 1: on this show is cars and Joe. I know you're

808
00:38:48,958 --> 00:38:51,918
Speaker 1: a guy you love literally the roar of an engineer.

809
00:38:51,958 --> 00:38:54,318
Speaker 1: So I have a hard time picturing you behind the

810
00:38:54,358 --> 00:38:58,758
Speaker 1: wheel of an EV. And apparently you're not alone. What

811
00:38:58,958 --> 00:39:02,678
Speaker 1: is going on with cars and electric vehicles? We're going

812
00:39:02,758 --> 00:39:15,198
Speaker 1: to talk about that next on the Book of Joe.

813
00:39:18,438 --> 00:39:20,478
Speaker 2: Welcome back to the Book of Joe podcast.

814
00:39:20,598 --> 00:39:22,998
Speaker 1: Joe, Am I right, do I have the hard time

815
00:39:23,078 --> 00:39:26,718
Speaker 1: picturing you behind the wheel of a very quiet EV?

816
00:39:27,478 --> 00:39:29,958
Speaker 3: You know me so well. I mean, I got to

817
00:39:29,958 --> 00:39:32,398
Speaker 3: hear my vehicles. I was driving my van around yesterday.

818
00:39:32,398 --> 00:39:35,318
Speaker 3: It's got the side pipes on it. It's glorious. And

819
00:39:35,398 --> 00:39:36,598
Speaker 3: I know there's a lot of folks who are going

820
00:39:36,678 --> 00:39:38,838
Speaker 3: to talk about, you know, the fossil fuels and the

821
00:39:38,838 --> 00:39:42,438
Speaker 3: emissions and whatever. Tell me, on an average street here

822
00:39:42,438 --> 00:39:45,838
Speaker 3: in Hazleton, if everybody's required me and these are narrow streets,

823
00:39:46,278 --> 00:39:50,558
Speaker 3: you know, the electrical outlets are not there. If everybody

824
00:39:50,558 --> 00:39:52,318
Speaker 3: had to own an EV and they're supposed to like

825
00:39:52,438 --> 00:39:54,118
Speaker 3: charge them up at the end of the night, end

826
00:39:54,158 --> 00:39:55,918
Speaker 3: of the day, what is that going to look like.

827
00:39:55,918 --> 00:39:59,078
Speaker 3: We're gonna have extension cords going across the street at night.

828
00:39:59,638 --> 00:40:01,558
Speaker 3: What happens when it snows you have to pull the

829
00:40:01,598 --> 00:40:03,838
Speaker 3: cords in and don't charge the cars. There's a lot

830
00:40:03,838 --> 00:40:05,838
Speaker 3: of the issues here that need to be worked out

831
00:40:05,838 --> 00:40:07,838
Speaker 3: that are not even spoken about. And how do you

832
00:40:07,878 --> 00:40:10,438
Speaker 3: even generate or create the power to charge these up?

833
00:40:10,478 --> 00:40:12,558
Speaker 3: And how about the weight of these things beating up

834
00:40:12,598 --> 00:40:15,638
Speaker 3: our roads? No, I'm not into it. I'm not into

835
00:40:15,638 --> 00:40:17,958
Speaker 3: it at all, quite frankly, and know you will not see.

836
00:40:18,198 --> 00:40:19,838
Speaker 3: I might drive one just for the heck of it,

837
00:40:19,878 --> 00:40:22,238
Speaker 3: but I like the roar of the engine. I do.

838
00:40:22,478 --> 00:40:25,358
Speaker 3: My Hellcat is seven hundred and some horsepower and I

839
00:40:25,398 --> 00:40:27,918
Speaker 3: love it. I got a three point fifty Chevelle with

840
00:40:27,958 --> 00:40:31,998
Speaker 3: the six speed Trimmix that I love, and that that

841
00:40:32,118 --> 00:40:34,318
Speaker 3: van sitting outside has got a three sixty in it,

842
00:40:34,478 --> 00:40:37,358
Speaker 3: you know, at a four barrel and it runs so well.

843
00:40:37,398 --> 00:40:39,398
Speaker 3: It's fun. I love to hear what I'm driving.

844
00:40:39,718 --> 00:40:43,038
Speaker 2: Well, we can get you an EV that has virtuals.

845
00:40:42,638 --> 00:40:45,598
Speaker 3: Instead of doing that. Yeah, right, that's stinks. That's things.

846
00:40:45,878 --> 00:40:48,038
Speaker 2: But apparently, as I said, you're not alone. Listen.

847
00:40:48,078 --> 00:40:50,598
Speaker 1: But that was over in London for the Mets Phillies games.

848
00:40:51,038 --> 00:40:54,038
Speaker 1: Virtually every uber I took and the brides I had

849
00:40:54,078 --> 00:40:57,078
Speaker 1: to and from the airport were evs. I mean, they

850
00:40:57,438 --> 00:41:00,358
Speaker 1: had many more evs than what I've seen here in

851
00:41:00,398 --> 00:41:02,358
Speaker 1: the States, and the numbers show it. In the last

852
00:41:02,438 --> 00:41:05,518
Speaker 1: quarter of last year, the UK was at an EV

853
00:41:05,718 --> 00:41:09,198
Speaker 1: rate of seventeen point six percent. The US is half

854
00:41:09,198 --> 00:41:12,798
Speaker 1: of that at eight point one percent. We have not

855
00:41:13,238 --> 00:41:16,798
Speaker 1: adapted to the ev especially when it comes to the

856
00:41:16,838 --> 00:41:21,678
Speaker 1: European countries. How about in Norway eighty percent of their

857
00:41:21,758 --> 00:41:25,718
Speaker 1: vehicles are evs. I mean, China is up to twenty

858
00:41:25,718 --> 00:41:28,438
Speaker 1: four percent, and that's going up because they've found a

859
00:41:28,438 --> 00:41:32,118
Speaker 1: way now to build evs that are extremely cheap, and

860
00:41:32,238 --> 00:41:35,158
Speaker 1: they're taking off. But the US is not taking off

861
00:41:35,278 --> 00:41:39,158
Speaker 1: because of what you mentioned, Joe. People have range anxiety.

862
00:41:39,238 --> 00:41:42,198
Speaker 1: They think they're going to run out of power. It

863
00:41:42,238 --> 00:41:45,238
Speaker 1: doesn't go far enough. We want cars, and we've talked

864
00:41:45,278 --> 00:41:49,678
Speaker 1: about this before. US auto manufacturers are not making sedanza anymore.

865
00:41:49,758 --> 00:41:51,678
Speaker 1: It's a race to build things that are bigger and

866
00:41:51,718 --> 00:41:54,598
Speaker 1: bigger because someone else is driving an SUV and you

867
00:41:54,598 --> 00:41:56,958
Speaker 1: don't want to get smashed by one of those, so

868
00:41:57,078 --> 00:41:58,838
Speaker 1: you have to get something big yourself.

869
00:41:59,398 --> 00:42:02,678
Speaker 2: So we're going to change. We have to change.

870
00:42:03,358 --> 00:42:07,238
Speaker 1: But the auto industry and they're working on this joe.

871
00:42:07,278 --> 00:42:08,878
Speaker 2: They're working on the range.

872
00:42:08,918 --> 00:42:11,718
Speaker 1: Apparently GMC is coming out with the Sierra truck that

873
00:42:11,758 --> 00:42:13,998
Speaker 1: supposedly is going to have four hundred and fifty miles

874
00:42:13,998 --> 00:42:16,918
Speaker 1: of range. You know, we've gotten over the three hundred

875
00:42:17,078 --> 00:42:19,838
Speaker 1: range barrier, although in real life when people are actually

876
00:42:19,958 --> 00:42:22,718
Speaker 1: using their air conditioner and if you've got a pickup

877
00:42:22,758 --> 00:42:25,238
Speaker 1: truck you're pulling something, you're not getting those kind of

878
00:42:25,678 --> 00:42:26,398
Speaker 1: range miles.

879
00:42:26,958 --> 00:42:28,198
Speaker 2: That's basically in a lab.

880
00:42:28,598 --> 00:42:32,878
Speaker 1: So until they fix these batteries and until the power

881
00:42:32,958 --> 00:42:37,278
Speaker 1: infrastructure to recharge is more available, right, it is not

882
00:42:37,398 --> 00:42:40,438
Speaker 1: going to scale up. And we are so far behind

883
00:42:40,478 --> 00:42:42,718
Speaker 1: the rest of the world in terms of scaling up.

884
00:42:42,798 --> 00:42:46,238
Speaker 1: It's going to come, but I'm shocked that it hasn't

885
00:42:46,318 --> 00:42:50,678
Speaker 1: come more quickly, especially in terms of whatever the next

886
00:42:50,718 --> 00:42:52,198
Speaker 1: generation of batteries are.

887
00:42:52,238 --> 00:42:54,398
Speaker 2: But we have to get there. We will get there.

888
00:42:54,438 --> 00:42:57,798
Speaker 1: I'm just surprised because you would think the economic incentive

889
00:42:57,878 --> 00:42:58,318
Speaker 1: is there.

890
00:42:58,678 --> 00:43:00,718
Speaker 2: There's still a lot of room, a lot of room

891
00:43:00,758 --> 00:43:01,278
Speaker 2: for growth.

892
00:43:01,558 --> 00:43:03,718
Speaker 3: It's going to take a while, like you said, and

893
00:43:04,198 --> 00:43:07,878
Speaker 3: if even when it does occur, and I think the

894
00:43:07,878 --> 00:43:09,598
Speaker 3: bigger problem, like you're talking about, is how do we

895
00:43:09,678 --> 00:43:11,678
Speaker 3: charge these things up? If you live in an apartment

896
00:43:11,718 --> 00:43:15,358
Speaker 3: complex building with this huge garage downstairs, how does everybody get,

897
00:43:15,398 --> 00:43:18,998
Speaker 3: say shiated on a nightly basis recharging their vehicles? And

898
00:43:19,038 --> 00:43:22,318
Speaker 3: I just think for a reality, the United States is

899
00:43:22,318 --> 00:43:25,038
Speaker 3: so vast and for us to do what we want

900
00:43:25,078 --> 00:43:27,598
Speaker 3: to do independently, even if it's going to work or

901
00:43:27,678 --> 00:43:30,358
Speaker 3: vacation whatever, how do we do that. These other countries

902
00:43:30,358 --> 00:43:33,838
Speaker 3: are describing are very small. They're not big to go

903
00:43:33,878 --> 00:43:36,198
Speaker 3: from one end of the island to the other, nor

904
00:43:36,198 --> 00:43:39,158
Speaker 3: a we whatever is where you're actually have population and

905
00:43:39,198 --> 00:43:41,638
Speaker 3: you want to be on a daily basis is different.

906
00:43:42,078 --> 00:43:46,118
Speaker 3: So they're more able to navigate in a country like that,

907
00:43:46,158 --> 00:43:47,798
Speaker 3: because it's like the size of a state. If you

908
00:43:47,878 --> 00:43:51,918
Speaker 3: noted to say that Pennsylvania could only have it has

909
00:43:51,958 --> 00:43:55,838
Speaker 3: to have electric vehicles by whatever twenty to say, twenty forty,

910
00:43:56,558 --> 00:43:59,038
Speaker 3: much more reasonable to think that it can occur as

911
00:43:59,078 --> 00:44:01,878
Speaker 3: opposed to the United States with all the different so

912
00:44:02,078 --> 00:44:04,198
Speaker 3: vast and all the different items to be over come

913
00:44:04,198 --> 00:44:07,118
Speaker 3: in order for that to occur. So smaller the country,

914
00:44:07,438 --> 00:44:10,638
Speaker 3: the more finite England, same way easier to get done.

915
00:44:10,798 --> 00:44:12,678
Speaker 3: I think when you're talking about something as vast as

916
00:44:12,678 --> 00:44:15,958
Speaker 3: the United States, that probably becomes exponentially more difficult, and

917
00:44:16,038 --> 00:44:17,358
Speaker 3: I think that's part of the issue too.

918
00:44:17,638 --> 00:44:20,318
Speaker 1: Yeah, first quarter of this year, new vehicle sales were

919
00:44:20,398 --> 00:44:23,878
Speaker 1: up five point one percent, but EV sales were up

920
00:44:23,918 --> 00:44:27,238
Speaker 1: only three point three percent, so they're actually lagging behind

921
00:44:27,518 --> 00:44:32,078
Speaker 1: the internal combustion engine, old school fossil fuel vehicles. By

922
00:44:32,118 --> 00:44:35,358
Speaker 1: the way, I get your point about smaller countries. And

923
00:44:35,558 --> 00:44:36,918
Speaker 1: you know, we like to think we're all going to

924
00:44:36,918 --> 00:44:41,918
Speaker 1: be driving thousands of miles on trips just because we can.

925
00:44:42,158 --> 00:44:45,158
Speaker 1: But Germany, which loves their cars, I mean, you know

926
00:44:45,198 --> 00:44:48,278
Speaker 1: at the Autobahn, right, Yeah, they're up to twenty percent

927
00:44:48,838 --> 00:44:49,798
Speaker 1: EV sales.

928
00:44:50,678 --> 00:44:55,038
Speaker 3: But evs are fast. They're fast, I'm telling you, I know,

929
00:44:55,118 --> 00:44:55,958
Speaker 3: that's why they like it.

930
00:44:56,078 --> 00:44:59,078
Speaker 2: We just I mean, we're all about convenience here in

931
00:44:59,118 --> 00:44:59,638
Speaker 2: the States.

932
00:45:00,358 --> 00:45:03,278
Speaker 1: But our friends in Italy, Joe, have not gone crazy

933
00:45:03,358 --> 00:45:04,718
Speaker 1: for the EV quite yet.

934
00:45:04,798 --> 00:45:07,478
Speaker 3: There you go, That's that's all you do there.

935
00:45:07,478 --> 00:45:09,358
Speaker 2: It's an option of the EV.

936
00:45:09,518 --> 00:45:13,238
Speaker 1: They're at five point four percent, so they still want

937
00:45:13,278 --> 00:45:17,558
Speaker 1: their Ferraris and Italian sports cars and the roar of

938
00:45:17,558 --> 00:45:18,158
Speaker 1: the engines.

939
00:45:18,678 --> 00:45:22,838
Speaker 3: The ancestors of Da Vinci and Michelangelo have spoken. They

940
00:45:23,158 --> 00:45:26,878
Speaker 3: they know, they know what's what's important. They know it's necessary,

941
00:45:26,878 --> 00:45:29,598
Speaker 3: they know what's what's a fat it's gonna go away,

942
00:45:29,598 --> 00:45:33,598
Speaker 3: and one that has longevity. I'm you know we I

943
00:45:33,598 --> 00:45:36,478
Speaker 3: shouldn't say I we are into whatever the Italians think.

944
00:45:36,798 --> 00:45:37,518
Speaker 3: I'm into it.

945
00:45:37,838 --> 00:45:38,718
Speaker 2: Well, it's coming.

946
00:45:38,998 --> 00:45:42,638
Speaker 1: Like I said, there's a next generation of batteries coming out.

947
00:45:42,758 --> 00:45:44,638
Speaker 2: It's called the ULTM battery.

948
00:45:44,878 --> 00:45:47,118
Speaker 1: And if we get that number up to four fifty

949
00:45:47,278 --> 00:45:49,718
Speaker 1: for an suv and pickup truck, maybe we're going to

950
00:45:49,758 --> 00:45:52,358
Speaker 1: get more people on board. But until we get there,

951
00:45:52,798 --> 00:45:55,518
Speaker 1: the sales have lagged, There's no question about it. I

952
00:45:55,518 --> 00:45:57,918
Speaker 1: thought it would be like color TVs. When color TVs

953
00:45:57,918 --> 00:46:00,358
Speaker 1: came out, they were super expensive. People were kind of

954
00:46:00,358 --> 00:46:02,478
Speaker 1: freaked out by it, and then all of a sudden,

955
00:46:02,478 --> 00:46:05,078
Speaker 1: the price came down and people would adopted very very

956
00:46:05,118 --> 00:46:07,598
Speaker 1: quickly to it. I think the adoption of the EV

957
00:46:07,718 --> 00:46:09,918
Speaker 1: in the States has been a lot slower than it

958
00:46:09,918 --> 00:46:10,398
Speaker 1: should be.

959
00:46:10,958 --> 00:46:13,518
Speaker 3: Yeah, listen, I'm with you. I've never been interested. I

960
00:46:13,598 --> 00:46:16,398
Speaker 3: mean the styling with some of the new that you

961
00:46:16,518 --> 00:46:18,838
Speaker 3: talk about, the German cars and even some of the

962
00:46:18,918 --> 00:46:21,918
Speaker 3: Japanese cars now they're they're a little bit more stylish.

963
00:46:22,118 --> 00:46:23,718
Speaker 3: Although the Tesla to me is like one of the

964
00:46:23,718 --> 00:46:28,998
Speaker 3: most utilitarian, boring looking vehicles I've ever seen. So I

965
00:46:29,438 --> 00:46:31,758
Speaker 3: part of part of you know, cars, is the style

966
00:46:31,798 --> 00:46:35,998
Speaker 3: of the car. We've talked about this something that's identifiable differently, colors,

967
00:46:36,158 --> 00:46:39,078
Speaker 3: all that kind of stuff. So I don't even know.

968
00:46:39,318 --> 00:46:41,438
Speaker 3: Is that nostalgia speaking, Is that the fact that I'm

969
00:46:41,438 --> 00:46:44,598
Speaker 3: over forty speaking right now? I don't know. But there's

970
00:46:44,638 --> 00:46:47,918
Speaker 3: a part about cars that if you're really into them,

971
00:46:48,078 --> 00:46:51,318
Speaker 3: it goes well beyond what's under the hood. Although we

972
00:46:51,398 --> 00:46:54,278
Speaker 3: do like power under the hood, but there's a certain

973
00:46:54,398 --> 00:46:56,518
Speaker 3: art form about them too that are different. So I

974
00:46:56,558 --> 00:46:59,918
Speaker 3: hope that if they do continue this method moving forward,

975
00:46:59,998 --> 00:47:02,678
Speaker 3: that they consider that and if it guess at the

976
00:47:02,678 --> 00:47:05,038
Speaker 3: point where style doesn't matter anymore, that really bothers me.

977
00:47:05,038 --> 00:47:09,678
Speaker 1: Even also, no style always matters, you know, vehicles, as

978
00:47:09,838 --> 00:47:15,398
Speaker 1: utilitarian as they are and can be, there are emotional investments.

979
00:47:15,518 --> 00:47:17,598
Speaker 1: I mean, you buy it because you like the look

980
00:47:17,638 --> 00:47:20,198
Speaker 1: of it, and you figure out ways to kind of

981
00:47:20,238 --> 00:47:22,878
Speaker 1: reinforce that gut feeling you have about the way a

982
00:47:22,918 --> 00:47:25,358
Speaker 1: car looks. And I'm with you on Tesla. They came out,

983
00:47:25,398 --> 00:47:27,758
Speaker 1: they look great, but they haven't changed the style at all.

984
00:47:27,758 --> 00:47:30,038
Speaker 1: They haven't updated it. Now they need to work on

985
00:47:30,078 --> 00:47:33,238
Speaker 1: it because their sales are lagging. You see a twenty

986
00:47:33,278 --> 00:47:35,878
Speaker 1: twenty four TESTLA, you can't tell the difference between the

987
00:47:35,918 --> 00:47:38,878
Speaker 1: twenty twenty one or a twenty twenty, so they are

988
00:47:38,918 --> 00:47:40,678
Speaker 1: definitely due for a style upgrade.

989
00:47:40,838 --> 00:47:44,318
Speaker 3: Volkswagen nailed that down though. The old bug Yes, look

990
00:47:44,398 --> 00:47:48,278
Speaker 3: the same back in whatever till they remodeled. Even the

991
00:47:48,318 --> 00:47:51,238
Speaker 3: remodel they did was a pretty good one. But that's

992
00:47:51,278 --> 00:47:54,118
Speaker 3: been the same. I'll tell you again, I'm referencing my Challenger,

993
00:47:54,278 --> 00:47:57,638
Speaker 3: my Hellcat. I thought that Dodge did a great job

994
00:47:58,318 --> 00:48:02,238
Speaker 3: with taking the nineteen seventies Challenger and recreating it in

995
00:48:02,318 --> 00:48:05,798
Speaker 3: a way that it's kind of tasty, gives that kind

996
00:48:05,838 --> 00:48:09,318
Speaker 3: of appearance. I'm I'm more surprised that, and I guess

997
00:48:09,358 --> 00:48:11,758
Speaker 3: maybe it's not important to the generation today, but the

998
00:48:11,798 --> 00:48:14,078
Speaker 3: old muscle cars, the looks of the past, whether the

999
00:48:14,158 --> 00:48:18,958
Speaker 3: old Mustangs, Challengers, the old Cheves. They made they try

1000
00:48:18,958 --> 00:48:20,598
Speaker 3: to do something with the Camaro. I thought that was

1001
00:48:20,598 --> 00:48:22,878
Speaker 3: a little bit short. I didn't like the Camaro, but

1002
00:48:22,998 --> 00:48:25,518
Speaker 3: I would see too to take one of these older

1003
00:48:25,598 --> 00:48:28,078
Speaker 3: vehicles and make it a new vehicle with that the

1004
00:48:28,198 --> 00:48:30,118
Speaker 3: kind of style that we had back then and just

1005
00:48:30,238 --> 00:48:32,158
Speaker 3: maybe round out the edges a little bit, whatever you

1006
00:48:32,198 --> 00:48:35,878
Speaker 3: want to do. More creative paint jobs. My challenger, my

1007
00:48:35,998 --> 00:48:39,238
Speaker 3: HEALTHCAD is plumb crazy that the purple card that was

1008
00:48:39,278 --> 00:48:41,678
Speaker 3: back in the day with the that have black carbon.

1009
00:48:41,758 --> 00:48:44,558
Speaker 3: It has black carbon fiber scripes on it, and the

1010
00:48:44,558 --> 00:48:47,518
Speaker 3: anterior is fantastic as a black leather with red seat

1011
00:48:47,558 --> 00:48:50,558
Speaker 3: belts deep red. And that car is not just fast,

1012
00:48:50,598 --> 00:48:53,798
Speaker 3: it's a really good cars, best braking system I've ever driven. So,

1013
00:48:53,878 --> 00:48:56,438
Speaker 3: I mean, those are the kind of things. But again

1014
00:48:56,758 --> 00:49:00,078
Speaker 3: it's generationally speaking. The guys today, kids today, and they're

1015
00:49:00,118 --> 00:49:02,038
Speaker 3: not gonna They're not into it. They're not into all

1016
00:49:02,038 --> 00:49:05,758
Speaker 3: that that goody stuff. They need something that just gets

1017
00:49:05,798 --> 00:49:08,198
Speaker 3: them from A to B. And how boring is it

1018
00:49:08,238 --> 00:49:10,558
Speaker 3: to just go from A to B without any kind

1019
00:49:10,598 --> 00:49:11,478
Speaker 3: of horsepower.

1020
00:49:11,918 --> 00:49:14,438
Speaker 1: Oh, I can't wait till I see you tooling down

1021
00:49:14,478 --> 00:49:19,198
Speaker 1: the streets of Hazeleton in your Ford mock e Mustang EV.

1022
00:49:21,998 --> 00:49:22,638
Speaker 2: Down the road.

1023
00:49:23,638 --> 00:49:27,518
Speaker 3: Happen, I'll have some kind of stereo system. I mean, listen,

1024
00:49:28,158 --> 00:49:30,958
Speaker 3: I I can't even imagine that. Never, I'll never say never,

1025
00:49:31,998 --> 00:49:33,918
Speaker 3: But I don't even know why I would like. I mean,

1026
00:49:33,918 --> 00:49:36,398
Speaker 3: i'd like to go down to my local gas station,

1027
00:49:36,958 --> 00:49:39,038
Speaker 3: stay there for like about three minutes, fill it up,

1028
00:49:39,078 --> 00:49:42,278
Speaker 3: and leave. As opposed to this charging system that you need.

1029
00:49:43,118 --> 00:49:44,878
Speaker 3: I know it's gonna be an overnight thing. But again,

1030
00:49:44,958 --> 00:49:47,918
Speaker 3: I'm just curious, how are you going to set up

1031
00:49:47,998 --> 00:49:51,958
Speaker 3: all the stations necessary if you want all these everybody

1032
00:49:51,998 --> 00:49:54,758
Speaker 3: to have one of those things? Where is the power

1033
00:49:54,878 --> 00:49:58,478
Speaker 3: coming from? Where the rolling black just to charge these

1034
00:49:58,478 --> 00:50:00,718
Speaker 3: suckers up. These batteries are gonna have to be pretty

1035
00:50:00,718 --> 00:50:04,718
Speaker 3: spectacular regarding their length and and how quickly they can

1036
00:50:04,758 --> 00:50:08,478
Speaker 3: be recharged, and the weight necessarily the weight so that

1037
00:50:08,558 --> 00:50:10,558
Speaker 3: you're not just beating up our highways.

1038
00:50:10,598 --> 00:50:15,278
Speaker 1: Norway eighty percent evs. They're getting it done. That's our model.

1039
00:50:15,478 --> 00:50:18,438
Speaker 3: I got to go to Norway for five minutes.

1040
00:50:19,558 --> 00:50:22,078
Speaker 1: Well, I think we talked a lot about Aaron Judge

1041
00:50:22,158 --> 00:50:24,998
Speaker 1: is sort of the hellcat of Major League Baseball right now, Joe,

1042
00:50:25,078 --> 00:50:27,678
Speaker 1: So we covered a lot of ground here. So, as

1043
00:50:27,718 --> 00:50:30,278
Speaker 1: you always do, you bring us home with something apropos

1044
00:50:30,438 --> 00:50:32,038
Speaker 1: So good luck on this one today.

1045
00:50:32,198 --> 00:50:34,878
Speaker 3: Well, you know, I was if it actually works. I

1046
00:50:34,878 --> 00:50:37,558
Speaker 3: think it does work because you're talking about growth, and

1047
00:50:37,678 --> 00:50:42,638
Speaker 3: you're talking about change, adaptability, You're talking about vehicles, electric vehicles.

1048
00:50:42,678 --> 00:50:45,998
Speaker 3: I'm talking about the growth or adaptability of not pitching

1049
00:50:45,998 --> 00:50:48,438
Speaker 3: the judge in hot situations and taking a chance with

1050
00:50:48,478 --> 00:50:49,998
Speaker 3: that and finding out if you like it or not.

1051
00:50:50,238 --> 00:50:52,158
Speaker 3: My old T shirts, you've seen it in the past.

1052
00:50:52,838 --> 00:50:55,638
Speaker 3: I want to be comfortable being uncomfortable. But this came

1053
00:50:55,678 --> 00:50:59,198
Speaker 3: from Martin Denischewski who said, the moment you're comfortable, you're

1054
00:50:59,238 --> 00:51:02,318
Speaker 3: no longer growing. And that's the thing I'm always worried

1055
00:51:02,318 --> 00:51:06,078
Speaker 3: about me because I've always been and want to want

1056
00:51:06,118 --> 00:51:08,318
Speaker 3: to try new things. I want to grow. You want

1057
00:51:08,318 --> 00:51:11,078
Speaker 3: to stay out front. You want to be that avant

1058
00:51:11,118 --> 00:51:12,958
Speaker 3: garde kind of a situation. You want to be there.

1059
00:51:13,198 --> 00:51:15,918
Speaker 3: But there's there's there's parts of me that sometimes that

1060
00:51:15,958 --> 00:51:18,118
Speaker 3: we've talked about this progress change, whatever you want to

1061
00:51:18,158 --> 00:51:20,998
Speaker 3: call it, it's not necessarily good, it's not necessarily better.

1062
00:51:21,278 --> 00:51:24,598
Speaker 3: I understand, you know, the the pollution component of all this.

1063
00:51:24,718 --> 00:51:26,878
Speaker 3: I get all of that, But then again, they got

1064
00:51:26,878 --> 00:51:27,958
Speaker 3: to come up. We got to come up with a

1065
00:51:27,998 --> 00:51:29,678
Speaker 3: way to charge these things. You got to come up

1066
00:51:29,718 --> 00:51:33,158
Speaker 3: with a power source that charges these things that also

1067
00:51:33,998 --> 00:51:36,878
Speaker 3: does not require fossil There's there's so many interconnected things

1068
00:51:36,878 --> 00:51:40,238
Speaker 3: with this that I'm just not hearing enough of Maybe

1069
00:51:40,558 --> 00:51:43,958
Speaker 3: I'm not reading the right periodicals or the right propaganda.

1070
00:51:43,998 --> 00:51:47,078
Speaker 3: But anyway, the moment you're comfortable, you're no longer growing.

1071
00:51:47,118 --> 00:51:49,918
Speaker 3: And that's always been a concern with me. I love

1072
00:51:49,958 --> 00:51:52,798
Speaker 3: being uncomfortable, because when I am, I know that there's

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Speaker 3: something good that can occur on the other side.

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Speaker 1: I love it, and I can't wait till you're uncomfortable

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Speaker 1: plugging in your ev Oh my god, Oh I want.

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Speaker 2: To picture that.

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Speaker 3: God. That'd be awful. But I'll send you a photograph.

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Speaker 2: Great job. We'll see you next time on the Book

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Speaker 2: of Joe.

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Speaker 3: All right, Buddy be well.

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Speaker 2: The Book of.

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