1 00:00:00,320 --> 00:00:03,800 Speaker 1: Thank you for listening. This is the best of with Klay, 2 00:00:03,920 --> 00:00:08,119 Speaker 1: Travis and Buck Sexton the veg Ramaswami with us now 3 00:00:08,760 --> 00:00:11,920 Speaker 1: and I'm sure you're still kind of rolling on adrenaline 4 00:00:12,240 --> 00:00:16,520 Speaker 1: the veke And what is your biggest takeaway having left 5 00:00:16,600 --> 00:00:21,160 Speaker 1: this stage, Mine was, Man, they really ripped and attacked 6 00:00:21,200 --> 00:00:24,600 Speaker 1: you more than anybody. Did you anticipate it? What did 7 00:00:24,600 --> 00:00:26,480 Speaker 1: it feel like? What's your biggest takeaway? 8 00:00:27,920 --> 00:00:30,280 Speaker 2: I was happy the result was great for us. I 9 00:00:30,280 --> 00:00:33,080 Speaker 2: think we came out with a big win, and I 10 00:00:33,159 --> 00:00:36,440 Speaker 2: wasn't totally shocked because the difference is what you see 11 00:00:36,479 --> 00:00:39,919 Speaker 2: in the campaign polls are a lot more precise than 12 00:00:39,920 --> 00:00:42,120 Speaker 2: what you get in the public narrative. And so I 13 00:00:42,159 --> 00:00:44,960 Speaker 2: still did at zero point zero percent in the month 14 00:00:45,000 --> 00:00:48,680 Speaker 2: of March. I've now entered second place in many of 15 00:00:48,720 --> 00:00:52,040 Speaker 2: the national polls. But when you see that trajectory change 16 00:00:52,040 --> 00:00:55,000 Speaker 2: amongst the people who are most knowledgeable in the voter base, 17 00:00:55,680 --> 00:00:57,880 Speaker 2: that's something that I think worries a lot of the 18 00:00:57,920 --> 00:01:00,840 Speaker 2: other campaigns, and correctly so they can't at me hard. 19 00:01:00,920 --> 00:01:04,560 Speaker 2: But I was ready for it in the sense that 20 00:01:04,600 --> 00:01:07,360 Speaker 2: I don't do a lot of traditional prep with canned slogans, 21 00:01:07,400 --> 00:01:10,240 Speaker 2: but talking to voters across this country. I've done more 22 00:01:10,240 --> 00:01:12,520 Speaker 2: events than any other campaign. That's been the best form 23 00:01:12,520 --> 00:01:15,319 Speaker 2: of debate preparation, and that paid off last night, and 24 00:01:15,319 --> 00:01:16,559 Speaker 2: I was glad to come out of the winner. 25 00:01:16,920 --> 00:01:21,400 Speaker 1: Mike Pence seems to genuinely dislike you. Did you get 26 00:01:21,480 --> 00:01:24,920 Speaker 1: that sense? On the stage? Like sometimes people disagree. I 27 00:01:24,959 --> 00:01:27,399 Speaker 1: don't think Chris Christy dislikes you. We're going to talk 28 00:01:27,400 --> 00:01:30,840 Speaker 1: to him later. I think Nicky Haley disagrees with you, 29 00:01:31,400 --> 00:01:34,120 Speaker 1: And certainly I think all of those politicians don't like 30 00:01:34,200 --> 00:01:37,440 Speaker 1: being challenged by somebody who's not a professional politician, which 31 00:01:37,480 --> 00:01:40,200 Speaker 1: I think is a big strength of yours. But when 32 00:01:40,240 --> 00:01:43,959 Speaker 1: I watched Mike Pence, like he seemed to genuinely dislike you, 33 00:01:44,000 --> 00:01:44,959 Speaker 1: did you get that sense? 34 00:01:45,080 --> 00:01:45,160 Speaker 2: Like? 35 00:01:45,160 --> 00:01:46,080 Speaker 1: Did you feel that way? 36 00:01:46,959 --> 00:01:49,960 Speaker 2: I actually, in one of the offline conversations, like into 37 00:01:49,960 --> 00:01:52,559 Speaker 2: the commercial break that congratulated Mike, I said, I didn't 38 00:01:52,560 --> 00:01:54,040 Speaker 2: know you had that. I didn't know you had that 39 00:01:54,120 --> 00:01:56,560 Speaker 2: in yet I'm proud of you. It is actually what 40 00:01:56,600 --> 00:01:59,600 Speaker 2: I told him, because you know, he's always a meek man. 41 00:01:59,680 --> 00:02:02,600 Speaker 2: Seems like he's speaking what has been served up to 42 00:02:02,680 --> 00:02:05,919 Speaker 2: him by his speech writers or handlers. But he really 43 00:02:06,000 --> 00:02:09,440 Speaker 2: at certain points, I'll give him credit. Did almost seem 44 00:02:09,520 --> 00:02:13,200 Speaker 2: to be expressing independent beliefs of his own, and I 45 00:02:13,240 --> 00:02:15,440 Speaker 2: give a lot of credit to that. So I told 46 00:02:15,520 --> 00:02:16,520 Speaker 2: him that I don't know how he took it. 47 00:02:16,800 --> 00:02:19,399 Speaker 1: So, by the way, that's an interesting point because when 48 00:02:19,400 --> 00:02:23,560 Speaker 1: we go to commercial break, what is happening on the stage. 49 00:02:23,680 --> 00:02:26,640 Speaker 1: That's actually really interesting. I wonder about that because they 50 00:02:26,639 --> 00:02:28,840 Speaker 1: go to commercial break Fox News does, and you can't 51 00:02:28,880 --> 00:02:32,959 Speaker 1: really tell what kind of conversations happened behind the scenes 52 00:02:33,720 --> 00:02:36,880 Speaker 1: during that commercial break in backstage? What is the vibe like. 53 00:02:37,919 --> 00:02:40,080 Speaker 2: You know it was? I think a lot of people 54 00:02:40,120 --> 00:02:41,960 Speaker 2: find it awkward. I was trying to break the ice 55 00:02:41,960 --> 00:02:44,400 Speaker 2: a little bit by just having real conversations with people 56 00:02:44,680 --> 00:02:47,079 Speaker 2: like I lean over the Rhonda Santas. I just congratulated 57 00:02:47,120 --> 00:02:49,200 Speaker 2: him on what I thought was a good statement of 58 00:02:49,240 --> 00:02:51,720 Speaker 2: what our border policy should be. I think I'm glad 59 00:02:51,760 --> 00:02:53,400 Speaker 2: he had the guts to say what I've been saying 60 00:02:53,440 --> 00:02:55,239 Speaker 2: the whole time as well, which is that we should 61 00:02:55,800 --> 00:02:59,120 Speaker 2: use our own military on our own southern border under 62 00:02:59,160 --> 00:03:03,120 Speaker 2: the circumstances that is legally, morally and ethically justified. And 63 00:03:03,560 --> 00:03:06,079 Speaker 2: you know, the moderators call on certain people for certain questions, 64 00:03:06,160 --> 00:03:08,200 Speaker 2: and so I had, you know, certainly a very detailed 65 00:03:08,200 --> 00:03:10,239 Speaker 2: plan to offer if they called on me. They called 66 00:03:10,240 --> 00:03:12,400 Speaker 2: on Ron instead, and I congratulated him for saying the 67 00:03:12,440 --> 00:03:14,639 Speaker 2: right thing. I was happy about that. You know, with Pence, 68 00:03:14,720 --> 00:03:17,920 Speaker 2: I really was genuinely shocked because part of what I 69 00:03:18,120 --> 00:03:20,520 Speaker 2: usually get from him in these backstage events of like, oh, 70 00:03:20,520 --> 00:03:22,360 Speaker 2: how are the wife and kids do? And that's all 71 00:03:22,400 --> 00:03:25,760 Speaker 2: we get to. They've never gotten to a subjective policy disagreement. 72 00:03:26,200 --> 00:03:28,960 Speaker 2: But yesterday on stage, he really came hard with what 73 00:03:29,000 --> 00:03:30,800 Speaker 2: he had been prepped with. I don't think any of 74 00:03:30,840 --> 00:03:33,480 Speaker 2: it really landed, But to be honest, I was proud 75 00:03:33,520 --> 00:03:36,080 Speaker 2: of Mike too. He's always been somebody in his role 76 00:03:36,080 --> 00:03:39,400 Speaker 2: as Vice president really seen as a bit of a 77 00:03:39,400 --> 00:03:42,160 Speaker 2: as a second fiddle at best, you know, something of 78 00:03:42,200 --> 00:03:45,280 Speaker 2: a stooge for the donor and establishment class. But he 79 00:03:45,400 --> 00:03:51,040 Speaker 2: definitely did have an independent, fundamental difference in worldview with me, 80 00:03:51,560 --> 00:03:53,880 Speaker 2: and I think that that's good for our party to 81 00:03:53,960 --> 00:03:57,080 Speaker 2: smoke out. That makes out party stronger, it makes our 82 00:03:57,120 --> 00:04:00,240 Speaker 2: country stronger. There is a neo conservative dogma that has 83 00:04:00,280 --> 00:04:03,600 Speaker 2: pervaded the Republican Party for a long time that says 84 00:04:03,640 --> 00:04:07,040 Speaker 2: the way we increase our self confidences and enter pointless 85 00:04:07,040 --> 00:04:09,520 Speaker 2: wars abroad that have nothing to do with American interests 86 00:04:09,520 --> 00:04:12,200 Speaker 2: but make ourselves feel better about ourselves for some reason 87 00:04:12,200 --> 00:04:14,000 Speaker 2: at home. And if you want that view, then Mike 88 00:04:14,080 --> 00:04:16,360 Speaker 2: Pence or Chris Christie or nikkiy Haley or any other 89 00:04:16,480 --> 00:04:19,880 Speaker 2: candidates on stage last night would be your candidate. But 90 00:04:19,920 --> 00:04:22,120 Speaker 2: my view is different. I think we should lead this 91 00:04:22,240 --> 00:04:26,320 Speaker 2: country in a way that puts the interests of Americans first, 92 00:04:27,000 --> 00:04:29,919 Speaker 2: and that's a fundamental risk in the Republican Party. I 93 00:04:29,920 --> 00:04:31,960 Speaker 2: think it is good for our movement when we talk 94 00:04:32,000 --> 00:04:35,039 Speaker 2: about that in the open. And my own view is 95 00:04:35,080 --> 00:04:38,000 Speaker 2: that we're stronger at home when we advance the interests 96 00:04:38,040 --> 00:04:40,760 Speaker 2: of the homeland. The way I'm running this campaign is 97 00:04:40,839 --> 00:04:44,760 Speaker 2: America First means all Americans, from Maui to the South 98 00:04:44,839 --> 00:04:48,000 Speaker 2: Side of Chicago to Kensington to places I've visited the 99 00:04:48,080 --> 00:04:50,920 Speaker 2: latter two. Certainly in this campaign, I haven't talked to Zelenski, 100 00:04:51,320 --> 00:04:53,760 Speaker 2: but I did talk to Greg and Janet Ards, to 101 00:04:54,000 --> 00:04:57,479 Speaker 2: small business owners in Maui who tragically lost both of 102 00:04:57,520 --> 00:05:00,200 Speaker 2: their businesses and their family. But there was a we'd 103 00:05:00,279 --> 00:05:02,480 Speaker 2: business that still had a water supply that they were 104 00:05:02,480 --> 00:05:06,200 Speaker 2: then using to help the rest of West Maui. That's 105 00:05:06,240 --> 00:05:08,400 Speaker 2: who I think we ought to care about first before 106 00:05:08,680 --> 00:05:13,479 Speaker 2: using our taxpayer resources to literally pay the salaries of 107 00:05:13,600 --> 00:05:16,560 Speaker 2: Ukrainian government officials, which is what we're using our taxpayer 108 00:05:16,640 --> 00:05:19,200 Speaker 2: dollars to do today. And so people like Mike Pennce 109 00:05:19,240 --> 00:05:21,760 Speaker 2: that I have fundamentally different views there, and I think 110 00:05:21,760 --> 00:05:24,240 Speaker 2: the debate last night was really useful to smoke out 111 00:05:24,240 --> 00:05:27,400 Speaker 2: those differences so that voters in our primary can actually 112 00:05:27,400 --> 00:05:29,480 Speaker 2: make their choice in an informed way. And I think 113 00:05:29,480 --> 00:05:30,680 Speaker 2: the debate was success for that. 114 00:05:30,839 --> 00:05:33,600 Speaker 1: We're talking to thevek Ramaswami, the veke I put up 115 00:05:33,640 --> 00:05:35,599 Speaker 1: and I started off the show saying that to me, 116 00:05:35,800 --> 00:05:38,640 Speaker 1: three people stood out the most, you, Ron DeSantis and 117 00:05:38,720 --> 00:05:41,320 Speaker 1: Nikki Haley is having a good night. I let people 118 00:05:41,480 --> 00:05:46,279 Speaker 1: vote and in my poll you won with a majority, 119 00:05:46,360 --> 00:05:49,240 Speaker 1: saying that you had the best night. So people can 120 00:05:49,279 --> 00:05:51,240 Speaker 1: go vote in that. By the way, I retweeted, it's 121 00:05:51,279 --> 00:05:53,560 Speaker 1: tens of thousands of you have voted in it so far. 122 00:05:54,160 --> 00:05:57,520 Speaker 1: You and I were two of the first people I 123 00:05:57,600 --> 00:06:01,440 Speaker 1: heard anywhere say what I give you credit for getting 124 00:06:01,440 --> 00:06:05,000 Speaker 1: out of the head of is you got to pardon 125 00:06:05,240 --> 00:06:08,920 Speaker 1: President Trump. You're one hundred percent right on that, and 126 00:06:08,960 --> 00:06:11,240 Speaker 1: you have continued to argue it, and I give you 127 00:06:11,279 --> 00:06:13,440 Speaker 1: immense credit for it. Let me ask you a question. 128 00:06:13,520 --> 00:06:16,120 Speaker 1: Buck and I had a conversation last week. I think 129 00:06:16,160 --> 00:06:19,680 Speaker 1: you're right on the principle that our country does not 130 00:06:19,800 --> 00:06:22,120 Speaker 1: need to try to put a former president in prison 131 00:06:22,800 --> 00:06:27,159 Speaker 1: given what Ford did for Nixon. Put that behind Watergate 132 00:06:27,279 --> 00:06:29,560 Speaker 1: is left, Buck and I argued last week, and I 133 00:06:29,600 --> 00:06:32,800 Speaker 1: actually I'm curious about how you would respond that it's 134 00:06:32,839 --> 00:06:37,159 Speaker 1: actually not just pardon Trump, but if you were the president, 135 00:06:37,600 --> 00:06:42,720 Speaker 1: would you pardon Hunter Biden as well, with the idea being, hey, 136 00:06:43,240 --> 00:06:47,479 Speaker 1: let's put this idea of putting political people in jail 137 00:06:47,560 --> 00:06:51,400 Speaker 1: for being politicians and their families and move forward to 138 00:06:51,440 --> 00:06:55,440 Speaker 1: a new America. Would you extend that principle even to 139 00:06:56,000 --> 00:06:57,440 Speaker 1: the Democrat side of the isle. 140 00:06:58,600 --> 00:07:01,240 Speaker 2: Well, I just stay on principle. The principal I stand 141 00:07:01,320 --> 00:07:03,720 Speaker 2: on is the rule of law. We have to have 142 00:07:03,920 --> 00:07:08,120 Speaker 2: one standard of rule of law for all Americans, period. 143 00:07:08,640 --> 00:07:10,240 Speaker 2: And so I think a lot of what's going on 144 00:07:10,320 --> 00:07:13,480 Speaker 2: with the Hunter Biden and the David wis sham of 145 00:07:13,560 --> 00:07:17,240 Speaker 2: special prosecutor and the gun charges, which are you know, 146 00:07:17,360 --> 00:07:21,320 Speaker 2: fabricated smoke screen to deflect attention away from the real thing. 147 00:07:21,520 --> 00:07:24,080 Speaker 2: We should talk about the real thing. The real thing 148 00:07:24,080 --> 00:07:26,800 Speaker 2: that I think may be wrong here and the facts 149 00:07:26,880 --> 00:07:29,480 Speaker 2: do not smell good to me, is that the Biden 150 00:07:29,560 --> 00:07:33,480 Speaker 2: family is selling off our foreign policy to make the 151 00:07:33,520 --> 00:07:37,040 Speaker 2: Biden family rich, particularly with respect of China and even 152 00:07:37,160 --> 00:07:39,560 Speaker 2: Ukraine right now, the very country that we're saying. 153 00:07:39,320 --> 00:07:42,640 Speaker 1: I agree with you on that. I think they've engaged 154 00:07:42,680 --> 00:07:43,760 Speaker 1: in criminal behavior. 155 00:07:44,480 --> 00:07:47,040 Speaker 2: I mean, but this is of the highest order, right 156 00:07:47,520 --> 00:07:50,360 Speaker 2: taking us closer to nuclear war, spending hundreds of billions 157 00:07:50,400 --> 00:07:53,000 Speaker 2: of dollars to make good on what appears to be 158 00:07:53,000 --> 00:07:55,880 Speaker 2: a five million dollar bride. So if that case is 159 00:07:55,920 --> 00:07:59,960 Speaker 2: brought in court, and if in court it turns out 160 00:08:00,080 --> 00:08:03,880 Speaker 2: that's really what happened, they deserve to spend serious time 161 00:08:03,880 --> 00:08:06,800 Speaker 2: in prison. And I would not pardon for that offense. 162 00:08:07,160 --> 00:08:08,800 Speaker 2: But what I do care about is the rule of law, 163 00:08:08,800 --> 00:08:10,600 Speaker 2: and I will never be like them, and so I 164 00:08:10,760 --> 00:08:13,920 Speaker 2: want to see the rule of law proceed. But what 165 00:08:13,960 --> 00:08:17,440 Speaker 2: we're having right now is the same forces that are 166 00:08:17,440 --> 00:08:21,040 Speaker 2: politically persecuting and prosecuting Donald Trump or literally made up 167 00:08:21,080 --> 00:08:24,640 Speaker 2: fictitious legal theories that have never been used to prosecute 168 00:08:24,640 --> 00:08:28,240 Speaker 2: a defendant before that's the same Department of Justice that 169 00:08:28,360 --> 00:08:31,880 Speaker 2: is literally protecting that Biden crime family. And so I 170 00:08:31,880 --> 00:08:34,160 Speaker 2: could care less for a lot of the shams that 171 00:08:34,200 --> 00:08:37,120 Speaker 2: they're thrown around now, and usually I think it's coming 172 00:08:37,160 --> 00:08:39,640 Speaker 2: from the deep state on the gun charges or whatever 173 00:08:39,679 --> 00:08:42,160 Speaker 2: else to create a deflection from the real thing. I 174 00:08:42,160 --> 00:08:45,360 Speaker 2: think we have to have, I think impeachment inquiry on 175 00:08:45,480 --> 00:08:48,760 Speaker 2: the real question of whether or not these bribes are 176 00:08:48,800 --> 00:08:52,160 Speaker 2: affecting our foreign policy right now in ways that put 177 00:08:52,200 --> 00:08:54,400 Speaker 2: the United States of America at risk when you have 178 00:08:54,440 --> 00:08:57,320 Speaker 2: a potential compromised president of the United States. But I 179 00:08:57,320 --> 00:09:00,520 Speaker 2: will never preordain a result and assume the rule of 180 00:09:00,520 --> 00:09:03,640 Speaker 2: what the fact finding is going to say. I will 181 00:09:03,640 --> 00:09:06,240 Speaker 2: never be them. I believe in the rule of law, 182 00:09:06,400 --> 00:09:07,959 Speaker 2: and that's what we actually need to restore. But that 183 00:09:08,000 --> 00:09:09,079 Speaker 2: gives you sense for how I think about it. 184 00:09:09,200 --> 00:09:12,079 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's good answer, interesting answer. Vi Vike Karamaswami, and 185 00:09:12,120 --> 00:09:14,960 Speaker 1: I think one reason people enjoyed your performance is you 186 00:09:15,000 --> 00:09:19,160 Speaker 1: say what you think, even if you don't necessarily make 187 00:09:19,200 --> 00:09:23,120 Speaker 1: people happy in the traditional Republican establishment, and that's why 188 00:09:23,160 --> 00:09:26,480 Speaker 1: your performance last night in many ways to me, seemed 189 00:09:26,520 --> 00:09:29,880 Speaker 1: similar to Trump in fifteen when he was beginning his run, 190 00:09:33,040 --> 00:09:36,640 Speaker 1: Vivek Ramaswami with us. Now, so let me ask you this. 191 00:09:37,080 --> 00:09:41,199 Speaker 1: You said Trump is the best candidate, the best president 192 00:09:41,320 --> 00:09:44,240 Speaker 1: in the twenty first century. If you are running to 193 00:09:44,400 --> 00:09:47,160 Speaker 1: beat Trump, that means that you think you would be 194 00:09:47,240 --> 00:09:51,000 Speaker 1: a better president than Trump. What would you do better 195 00:09:51,320 --> 00:09:52,840 Speaker 1: than what Donald Trump has. 196 00:09:52,760 --> 00:09:56,000 Speaker 2: Done unite the country? Yeah, I mean, I think that's 197 00:09:56,000 --> 00:09:57,520 Speaker 2: what it comes down to. And I think that allows 198 00:09:57,600 --> 00:10:01,040 Speaker 2: us to take our America First agenda even further than 199 00:10:01,120 --> 00:10:03,800 Speaker 2: Donald Trump did. And I stand by what I said 200 00:10:03,880 --> 00:10:09,320 Speaker 2: last night. We have Bush, Obama, Biden, and Trump. Who 201 00:10:09,360 --> 00:10:10,800 Speaker 2: is the best president of the twenty first century. It's 202 00:10:10,840 --> 00:10:12,800 Speaker 2: not even close, hands down if you're judge by the 203 00:10:12,880 --> 00:10:14,599 Speaker 2: results of that. And yet it made a lot of 204 00:10:14,640 --> 00:10:17,599 Speaker 2: people uncomfortable, including on stage. You could palpably feel it 205 00:10:18,040 --> 00:10:20,360 Speaker 2: when I said that. So, Donald Trump sets a high ball. 206 00:10:21,080 --> 00:10:24,160 Speaker 2: But we in this country, we don't just aspire to normalcy. 207 00:10:24,800 --> 00:10:27,920 Speaker 2: We aspire to excellence. That is who we are as Americans. 208 00:10:28,360 --> 00:10:30,240 Speaker 2: And so it is my job to build on the 209 00:10:30,320 --> 00:10:33,160 Speaker 2: foundation that Trump laid to take us even further, not 210 00:10:33,480 --> 00:10:35,960 Speaker 2: just building the wall, but using the military to seal 211 00:10:36,040 --> 00:10:38,240 Speaker 2: the border, not just putting Betsy de vas on top 212 00:10:38,280 --> 00:10:40,760 Speaker 2: of the Department of Education and say reform it, shut 213 00:10:40,880 --> 00:10:44,920 Speaker 2: it down, not just talk about the importance of fighting wokeness, 214 00:10:45,000 --> 00:10:47,600 Speaker 2: but actually end affirmative action, which was created by Lyndon 215 00:10:47,679 --> 00:10:50,400 Speaker 2: Johnson by executive order. We can end affirmative action in 216 00:10:50,480 --> 00:10:53,400 Speaker 2: this country and in our economy on any government contractor 217 00:10:53,440 --> 00:10:56,400 Speaker 2: that's currently required to adopt race based quotas. That starts 218 00:10:56,400 --> 00:10:59,160 Speaker 2: from the government, and any Republican president could have taken 219 00:10:59,160 --> 00:11:01,480 Speaker 2: a pen and crossed it out. I will. But why 220 00:11:01,520 --> 00:11:04,000 Speaker 2: am I able to go further? It's because I'm doing 221 00:11:04,080 --> 00:11:07,880 Speaker 2: it grounded in first principles and moral foundations, and we 222 00:11:08,040 --> 00:11:10,839 Speaker 2: go further if we're grounded in principle. And so a 223 00:11:10,880 --> 00:11:12,800 Speaker 2: few things that I share in common with Trump as 224 00:11:12,800 --> 00:11:14,920 Speaker 2: I'm an outsider. He and I are the only candidates 225 00:11:14,960 --> 00:11:16,839 Speaker 2: in this race who are not entirely bought and paid for. 226 00:11:17,280 --> 00:11:19,920 Speaker 2: In fact, I am putting immense amounts of my own 227 00:11:19,960 --> 00:11:22,880 Speaker 2: money into this campaign to avoid having to be somebody 228 00:11:22,960 --> 00:11:25,679 Speaker 2: else's circus monkey, which is the way our politics works today. 229 00:11:26,040 --> 00:11:28,200 Speaker 2: And that's what I admired about Donald Trump and continue 230 00:11:28,440 --> 00:11:30,800 Speaker 2: to admire about him as an outsider. But I think 231 00:11:30,840 --> 00:11:33,599 Speaker 2: it takes an outsider who also has an understanding of 232 00:11:33,640 --> 00:11:36,959 Speaker 2: the Constitution, a deep understanding of the Constitution, so you're 233 00:11:37,000 --> 00:11:40,160 Speaker 2: not duped by the managerial class and the advisors who 234 00:11:40,200 --> 00:11:43,079 Speaker 2: tell Trump that, no, you can't fire civil servants because 235 00:11:43,080 --> 00:11:46,319 Speaker 2: of the Civil Service Protection rules. Read the law that 236 00:11:46,480 --> 00:11:49,240 Speaker 2: only applies to individual firings. It does not apply to 237 00:11:49,320 --> 00:11:52,840 Speaker 2: mass layoffs, and masth layoffs are absolutely what I am 238 00:11:52,880 --> 00:11:56,200 Speaker 2: bringing to the DC bureaucracy, a seventy five percent headcount 239 00:11:56,240 --> 00:11:59,760 Speaker 2: reduction in federal employees. And so I don't believe it 240 00:11:59,760 --> 00:12:02,360 Speaker 2: in mental reform. I think the moment for that is passed. 241 00:12:02,559 --> 00:12:05,640 Speaker 1: Do you think, by the way business Second Revolution, do 242 00:12:05,800 --> 00:12:08,079 Speaker 1: you think Trump was duped by a lot of his 243 00:12:08,480 --> 00:12:10,880 Speaker 1: advisors when he got into office? How so? 244 00:12:12,200 --> 00:12:14,520 Speaker 2: Well? I think the day effectively came from the same 245 00:12:14,679 --> 00:12:17,240 Speaker 2: rot that he was going into cure. And I'll also 246 00:12:17,280 --> 00:12:18,920 Speaker 2: be honest with you, I'm not saying that I would 247 00:12:18,960 --> 00:12:22,679 Speaker 2: have been any better in twenty fifteen, okay, But I 248 00:12:22,840 --> 00:12:26,320 Speaker 2: believe in learning from the foundation laid by your predecessors 249 00:12:26,360 --> 00:12:28,599 Speaker 2: to build on that. And so what I expect to 250 00:12:28,640 --> 00:12:30,120 Speaker 2: happen is I will be the next president of the 251 00:12:30,160 --> 00:12:33,520 Speaker 2: United States. Donald Trump will be my most valued advisors, 252 00:12:33,559 --> 00:12:35,800 Speaker 2: something of a mentor actually, because I don't want to 253 00:12:35,880 --> 00:12:38,800 Speaker 2: relearn those same lessons. I want to build on the 254 00:12:38,880 --> 00:12:42,079 Speaker 2: foundation he laid. But it will take someone of a 255 00:12:42,160 --> 00:12:45,319 Speaker 2: different generation thirty eight. I can reach young people we 256 00:12:45,480 --> 00:12:48,920 Speaker 2: already are. I want to build a broad, multi ethnic, 257 00:12:49,040 --> 00:12:53,000 Speaker 2: working class moral majority, like Reagan did in the nineteen 258 00:12:53,040 --> 00:12:56,040 Speaker 2: eighty landslide. I think we truly have an opportunity to 259 00:12:56,080 --> 00:12:58,440 Speaker 2: deliver that in twenty twenty four. People will say Trump 260 00:12:58,520 --> 00:13:01,240 Speaker 2: can't beat Biden. I disagree. I think that up on 261 00:13:01,760 --> 00:13:04,480 Speaker 2: current numbers and on the current trajectory of how Biden's doing, 262 00:13:04,520 --> 00:13:06,760 Speaker 2: Trump probably could bet him in a narrow election. But 263 00:13:06,840 --> 00:13:09,520 Speaker 2: I'm the only person who can win in a landslide. 264 00:13:10,000 --> 00:13:12,160 Speaker 2: And we are skating on such thin ice as the 265 00:13:12,200 --> 00:13:14,679 Speaker 2: country right now, Clay that I don't think a fifty 266 00:13:14,720 --> 00:13:17,920 Speaker 2: point one election doesn't where MSNBC and CNN trot out 267 00:13:17,960 --> 00:13:20,040 Speaker 2: who the winner is the Monday after the election. No, 268 00:13:20,920 --> 00:13:25,920 Speaker 2: this has to be a landslide, moral majority, moral mandate, 269 00:13:26,520 --> 00:13:29,800 Speaker 2: and I think that will take, Yes, someone as the 270 00:13:29,880 --> 00:13:32,800 Speaker 2: new outsider in the race, someone who comes from that 271 00:13:32,880 --> 00:13:35,960 Speaker 2: different generation, someone who is not a super pack puppet 272 00:13:36,040 --> 00:13:38,679 Speaker 2: but a patriot who speaks the truth to be able 273 00:13:38,760 --> 00:13:42,160 Speaker 2: to take the America First agenda even further, and I 274 00:13:42,320 --> 00:13:44,720 Speaker 2: do think I'm the best positioned candidate. 275 00:13:44,440 --> 00:13:45,040 Speaker 3: To actually do it. 276 00:13:45,280 --> 00:13:48,000 Speaker 1: The last question for you, and that's really a strong answer, 277 00:13:48,160 --> 00:13:51,200 Speaker 1: Vivek Ramaswami. A lot of strong answers here. The night 278 00:13:51,320 --> 00:13:55,120 Speaker 1: after the debate, your critics, and many of them were 279 00:13:55,200 --> 00:13:57,839 Speaker 1: on the stage. I think are going to start to say, 280 00:13:57,880 --> 00:14:00,520 Speaker 1: if they haven't already, and you probably have heard the whispers, 281 00:14:00,840 --> 00:14:04,439 Speaker 1: Vivek's not actually trying to win. He is trying to 282 00:14:04,600 --> 00:14:08,120 Speaker 1: protect Trump and as a result, end up his VP. 283 00:14:08,320 --> 00:14:09,839 Speaker 1: I think we asked you about this last time, but 284 00:14:09,920 --> 00:14:13,480 Speaker 1: I do think allowing you to address it directly is important. 285 00:14:13,880 --> 00:14:16,080 Speaker 1: Are you trying to beat Trump or are you trying 286 00:14:16,120 --> 00:14:16,800 Speaker 1: to be his VP? 287 00:14:18,000 --> 00:14:20,400 Speaker 2: I'm trying to lead this country to a national revival 288 00:14:20,480 --> 00:14:22,320 Speaker 2: by being the next president of the United States, and 289 00:14:22,400 --> 00:14:25,480 Speaker 2: I don't think that that involves beating Trump. That involves 290 00:14:25,800 --> 00:14:28,440 Speaker 2: taking the agenda and the movement that he began to 291 00:14:28,520 --> 00:14:31,320 Speaker 2: the next level further than he can right now. And 292 00:14:31,440 --> 00:14:34,120 Speaker 2: I can only do that as the next president. If 293 00:14:34,200 --> 00:14:36,040 Speaker 2: this is about me and my political career and getting 294 00:14:36,040 --> 00:14:38,880 Speaker 2: close to the seat of power. Sure, that would be 295 00:14:38,920 --> 00:14:41,640 Speaker 2: a fuck your number two position as vice president at 296 00:14:41,680 --> 00:14:43,480 Speaker 2: the age of thirty eight, another nice little mark for 297 00:14:43,560 --> 00:14:46,040 Speaker 2: my resume. That's not what this is about. This is 298 00:14:46,040 --> 00:14:48,080 Speaker 2: about our country, and I don't think we have that 299 00:14:48,200 --> 00:14:50,560 Speaker 2: much time. I got a three and a half year 300 00:14:50,560 --> 00:14:52,920 Speaker 2: old son. If he's in high school before we fix this, 301 00:14:53,400 --> 00:14:55,800 Speaker 2: we're done. I don't think we have a country left. 302 00:14:56,440 --> 00:14:58,000 Speaker 2: I do not want to see us march to some 303 00:14:58,160 --> 00:15:00,800 Speaker 2: national divorce, and that is the direction where heading in today. 304 00:15:01,480 --> 00:15:04,920 Speaker 2: I think it will take somebody who is grounded in principle, 305 00:15:05,200 --> 00:15:08,080 Speaker 2: who is able to bring especially that next generation who 306 00:15:08,160 --> 00:15:11,040 Speaker 2: has lost any semblance of national pride in this country, 307 00:15:11,320 --> 00:15:13,240 Speaker 2: sixty percent of them saying they would sooner give up 308 00:15:13,240 --> 00:15:15,280 Speaker 2: their right to vote than to give up their access 309 00:15:15,320 --> 00:15:18,320 Speaker 2: to TikTok. Who can best bring them along to revive 310 00:15:18,800 --> 00:15:23,080 Speaker 2: conviction in this nation we call home. And even between 311 00:15:23,120 --> 00:15:25,320 Speaker 2: Donald Trump and myself, when I think about who can 312 00:15:25,360 --> 00:15:27,080 Speaker 2: best do that from the White House next, I think 313 00:15:27,120 --> 00:15:28,920 Speaker 2: that is my job to get done. I think it 314 00:15:28,920 --> 00:15:31,600 Speaker 2: will be Donald Trump's job to not put himself through 315 00:15:31,640 --> 00:15:34,760 Speaker 2: the hell of that presidency. Again. To me, I don't 316 00:15:34,800 --> 00:15:36,640 Speaker 2: relish the idea of sitting in that White House either 317 00:15:36,920 --> 00:15:38,480 Speaker 2: it is just a sense of duty that I'm the 318 00:15:38,520 --> 00:15:40,960 Speaker 2: best position to do it. I will rely on Trump 319 00:15:41,040 --> 00:15:44,120 Speaker 2: as my mentor and my advisor to do it. And 320 00:15:44,280 --> 00:15:46,400 Speaker 2: that is I think, how we each do our part 321 00:15:46,880 --> 00:15:49,720 Speaker 2: to lead a revival of our nation. Because America first 322 00:15:49,880 --> 00:15:52,360 Speaker 2: and Maga, it is bigger than Trump, It is bigger 323 00:15:52,400 --> 00:15:55,120 Speaker 2: than me. It is about the people of this country. 324 00:15:55,200 --> 00:15:57,160 Speaker 2: This movement is not about one man, It's not about 325 00:15:57,200 --> 00:15:59,760 Speaker 2: any of us. It is about this nation and that 326 00:15:59,920 --> 00:16:01,600 Speaker 2: is what we need to revive. And once we see 327 00:16:01,640 --> 00:16:03,760 Speaker 2: it that way, I think it will become clear. I 328 00:16:03,880 --> 00:16:06,680 Speaker 2: hope is I make my case that the voters will 329 00:16:06,840 --> 00:16:09,400 Speaker 2: put me in the office as their next president. And 330 00:16:09,520 --> 00:16:12,480 Speaker 2: when I leave office in January twenty thirty three, we 331 00:16:12,560 --> 00:16:14,760 Speaker 2: will look back and look at this moment we were 332 00:16:14,840 --> 00:16:16,560 Speaker 2: in skating on thin ice. We will laugh at it, 333 00:16:16,840 --> 00:16:19,600 Speaker 2: say we were going through our version of adolescents, and 334 00:16:19,720 --> 00:16:22,160 Speaker 2: maybe take the young guy to say this, maybe our 335 00:16:22,280 --> 00:16:26,000 Speaker 2: nation is really just a little young Actually, maybe we're 336 00:16:26,040 --> 00:16:29,040 Speaker 2: all just going through our own version of adolescens, figuring 337 00:16:29,080 --> 00:16:31,760 Speaker 2: out who we're really going to be when we grow up. 338 00:16:32,400 --> 00:16:35,360 Speaker 2: And I do think it takes somebody who God willing 339 00:16:35,600 --> 00:16:37,400 Speaker 2: let me hope that my best days are ahead of me. 340 00:16:37,480 --> 00:16:39,640 Speaker 2: I don't take any day for granted, but I hope 341 00:16:39,680 --> 00:16:41,240 Speaker 2: and pray that my best days are ahead of me 342 00:16:41,280 --> 00:16:43,520 Speaker 2: in life at the age of thirty eight. Well, it 343 00:16:43,640 --> 00:16:45,960 Speaker 2: might just take someone who sees their own life that 344 00:16:46,080 --> 00:16:48,600 Speaker 2: way to see a nation in its own life that 345 00:16:48,720 --> 00:16:51,360 Speaker 2: way too, And I do believe that our nation's best 346 00:16:51,440 --> 00:16:55,000 Speaker 2: days can still be ahead of us way. We have 347 00:16:55,160 --> 00:16:56,800 Speaker 2: to be a nation in decline, but that's not going 348 00:16:56,840 --> 00:16:57,640 Speaker 2: to happen automatically. 349 00:16:57,760 --> 00:17:01,280 Speaker 1: These veg Gramaswami. Give my props by the way, to 350 00:17:01,440 --> 00:17:04,920 Speaker 1: your wife on her form on the Burpies. I saw 351 00:17:05,000 --> 00:17:07,600 Speaker 1: the video in addition to the tennis like. I think 352 00:17:07,640 --> 00:17:09,879 Speaker 1: she has a better vertical for a woman than you 353 00:17:09,960 --> 00:17:11,680 Speaker 1: do for a man. I'm not gonna lie. I like 354 00:17:11,800 --> 00:17:12,880 Speaker 1: the movie. 355 00:17:12,920 --> 00:17:15,159 Speaker 2: You might have had an outright better vertical period. 356 00:17:16,480 --> 00:17:18,560 Speaker 1: Hey, my wife's a better athlete than me too, so 357 00:17:18,720 --> 00:17:21,920 Speaker 1: join the club. I appreciate the time. Congrats on the 358 00:17:21,960 --> 00:17:23,800 Speaker 1: success last night. We'll talk to you again soon. 359 00:17:23,960 --> 00:17:24,399 Speaker 2: Thank you, man. 360 00:17:24,520 --> 00:17:24,840 Speaker 3: Take care. 361 00:17:29,520 --> 00:17:33,520 Speaker 1: Former New Jersey Governor Chris Christie and Governor I don't 362 00:17:33,600 --> 00:17:36,760 Speaker 1: know if you grew up like I did, Maybe you 363 00:17:36,880 --> 00:17:41,000 Speaker 1: still are a fan of WWE. But I felt like 364 00:17:41,240 --> 00:17:44,560 Speaker 1: last night you were playing the heel role and I 365 00:17:44,640 --> 00:17:47,320 Speaker 1: actually thought you played it pretty well. Did you feel 366 00:17:47,359 --> 00:17:50,040 Speaker 1: a bit like, I don't know, Andre the Giant back 367 00:17:50,080 --> 00:17:51,800 Speaker 1: in the day walking in when he was about to 368 00:17:51,840 --> 00:17:53,000 Speaker 1: take on hult Cogan. 369 00:17:54,720 --> 00:18:00,400 Speaker 3: Andre the Giant, or the Iron Sheik or the Executioner. Oh, yeah, 370 00:18:00,600 --> 00:18:02,400 Speaker 3: there's a few of those. There's a few of those 371 00:18:02,440 --> 00:18:05,040 Speaker 3: possibilities to say. Now. You know, look, I knew going 372 00:18:05,160 --> 00:18:08,040 Speaker 3: in there last night, because this is in my first rodeo, 373 00:18:08,680 --> 00:18:12,919 Speaker 3: that if if the issue of Donald Trump came up, 374 00:18:13,880 --> 00:18:17,120 Speaker 3: you know, because you've interviewed me a number of times before, 375 00:18:17,640 --> 00:18:19,560 Speaker 3: that I'm going to say what I really believe and 376 00:18:19,680 --> 00:18:22,240 Speaker 3: I'm not going to worry about, you know, what some 377 00:18:22,480 --> 00:18:24,800 Speaker 3: folks in the in the audience may or may not do. 378 00:18:25,000 --> 00:18:28,120 Speaker 3: And so I felt fine walking in there last night. 379 00:18:28,200 --> 00:18:29,520 Speaker 3: I felt even better walking out. 380 00:18:30,240 --> 00:18:31,680 Speaker 1: So here's a question I want to I want to 381 00:18:31,680 --> 00:18:35,000 Speaker 1: start off something positive. If you had to vote for 382 00:18:35,240 --> 00:18:39,840 Speaker 1: someone on that stage other than yourself, who have you 383 00:18:39,960 --> 00:18:43,840 Speaker 1: been impressed by since you started the campaign and said, Hey, 384 00:18:44,359 --> 00:18:47,800 Speaker 1: this guy or this gal they could be a good president. 385 00:18:48,040 --> 00:18:50,119 Speaker 1: I would be willing to vote for them. We know 386 00:18:50,200 --> 00:18:51,920 Speaker 1: you're not going to vote for Trump or don't want 387 00:18:51,960 --> 00:18:55,520 Speaker 1: to vote for Trump, But who has actually impressed you 388 00:18:55,680 --> 00:18:56,920 Speaker 1: so far during the campaign. 389 00:18:58,080 --> 00:18:59,960 Speaker 3: Well, I got to tell you part of it is 390 00:19:00,320 --> 00:19:03,920 Speaker 3: is a bias because I know him so well. But 391 00:19:04,040 --> 00:19:08,360 Speaker 3: I really like Doug Burgham and I think Doug has 392 00:19:08,480 --> 00:19:13,080 Speaker 3: been a really successful governor in North Dakota. His wife 393 00:19:13,200 --> 00:19:17,440 Speaker 3: Katherine is a really solid, smart partner who's done a 394 00:19:17,520 --> 00:19:21,680 Speaker 3: lot of extraordinary work in the drug addiction area. And 395 00:19:21,760 --> 00:19:24,480 Speaker 3: I think they'd be a very good first couple. And 396 00:19:24,880 --> 00:19:27,960 Speaker 3: if I couldn't vote for myself, I would love to 397 00:19:28,040 --> 00:19:29,640 Speaker 3: vote for Doug. I think he's a good man. 398 00:19:29,920 --> 00:19:32,399 Speaker 1: All right, So let's talk about the debate that happened 399 00:19:32,480 --> 00:19:37,119 Speaker 1: last night. You really went after Vivey Ramaswami. Obviously we 400 00:19:37,280 --> 00:19:40,200 Speaker 1: know you went after Trump, but let's start with the Veke. 401 00:19:40,760 --> 00:19:42,400 Speaker 1: What do you think of him? What do you think 402 00:19:42,440 --> 00:19:43,280 Speaker 1: of his candidacy? 403 00:19:44,680 --> 00:19:48,680 Speaker 3: Well, look, I think when what offended me is I 404 00:19:48,800 --> 00:19:50,520 Speaker 3: definitely have a responding to Viveke. 405 00:19:51,040 --> 00:19:51,080 Speaker 2: You. 406 00:19:51,119 --> 00:19:54,840 Speaker 3: Now, when a guy who's who's barely ever voted gets 407 00:19:54,920 --> 00:19:58,080 Speaker 3: on the stage and says, everybody but me on this 408 00:19:58,240 --> 00:20:01,560 Speaker 3: stage is bought and paid for, I don't know how 409 00:20:01,600 --> 00:20:04,879 Speaker 3: you take him seriously. I mean, you know, you've got 410 00:20:04,960 --> 00:20:09,840 Speaker 3: folks up there like Tim Scott and Nicky Haley who 411 00:20:09,880 --> 00:20:12,679 Speaker 3: have done great things for the state of South Carolina 412 00:20:13,000 --> 00:20:17,680 Speaker 3: and selflessly serve and Nicky's husband is serving right now 413 00:20:17,760 --> 00:20:22,159 Speaker 3: in the military and undeployment. Mike Pence. You know, you 414 00:20:22,280 --> 00:20:24,920 Speaker 3: can like Mike pencey not like Mike Pence. But the 415 00:20:25,040 --> 00:20:28,800 Speaker 3: idea that Mike Pence is bought and paid for is ridiculous. 416 00:20:28,880 --> 00:20:34,320 Speaker 3: Atha Hutchinson is bought and paid for, you know, Doug 417 00:20:34,440 --> 00:20:37,520 Speaker 3: Bergham bought and paid for. You know, I just I 418 00:20:37,640 --> 00:20:40,800 Speaker 3: found it offensive and I find it hard, and that's 419 00:20:40,840 --> 00:20:44,960 Speaker 3: why I used the phrase I did about chat ept. 420 00:20:46,080 --> 00:20:49,800 Speaker 3: He sounds like a guy who's looked up and researched 421 00:20:50,400 --> 00:20:55,200 Speaker 3: all the buzzwords that will light somebody up, strings them 422 00:20:55,240 --> 00:20:58,400 Speaker 3: all together, save them, and says them as fast as 423 00:20:58,440 --> 00:21:03,240 Speaker 3: he can without any type of you know, thought about 424 00:21:03,400 --> 00:21:10,160 Speaker 3: what those policies would mean. And so I can't take 425 00:21:10,320 --> 00:21:14,240 Speaker 3: him all that seriously when the first thing he does, 426 00:21:14,760 --> 00:21:17,639 Speaker 3: when he comes up there, is accused the other seven 427 00:21:17,760 --> 00:21:21,000 Speaker 3: of us of being bought and paid for, when, by 428 00:21:21,040 --> 00:21:24,320 Speaker 3: the way, there's no evidence of that, and quite to 429 00:21:24,400 --> 00:21:28,800 Speaker 3: the contrary, he defends Donald Trump, who you know, his 430 00:21:29,000 --> 00:21:33,600 Speaker 3: family is on the grip so deep that you know, uh, 431 00:21:33,680 --> 00:21:37,000 Speaker 3: they're They're at least in the same league as Hunter Bikes. 432 00:21:38,160 --> 00:21:41,720 Speaker 3: So that's the guy he defends, and the seven of us, 433 00:21:43,359 --> 00:21:46,120 Speaker 3: you know, are are bought and paid for. So that's 434 00:21:46,240 --> 00:21:49,159 Speaker 3: my problem with to Clay. The facts don't back up 435 00:21:49,280 --> 00:21:51,760 Speaker 3: what he's saying, and that goes with a lot of 436 00:21:51,800 --> 00:21:53,879 Speaker 3: the stuff that he said last night. And so at 437 00:21:53,920 --> 00:21:55,920 Speaker 3: one point I was tired of having him beat on 438 00:21:56,119 --> 00:21:59,440 Speaker 3: me and everybody else on the stage without getting responded to. 439 00:22:00,400 --> 00:22:02,760 Speaker 3: So you know, you want to smack me on from Jerseys, 440 00:22:02,800 --> 00:22:04,680 Speaker 3: smack me, You're gonna get a smack or two back. 441 00:22:06,040 --> 00:22:07,800 Speaker 1: I thought you did a good job, by the way, 442 00:22:08,119 --> 00:22:12,000 Speaker 1: responding on the UFO question and turning it into an 443 00:22:12,119 --> 00:22:16,800 Speaker 1: interesting answer about the importance of trust, loyalty, and decency 444 00:22:16,880 --> 00:22:19,840 Speaker 1: when it comes to leaders and people who are talking 445 00:22:19,920 --> 00:22:22,920 Speaker 1: to the people that they are attempting to lead. You 446 00:22:23,200 --> 00:22:25,159 Speaker 1: and look, part of half of our audience is in 447 00:22:25,240 --> 00:22:28,080 Speaker 1: favor of Donald Trump. The other half is rooting for 448 00:22:28,160 --> 00:22:32,360 Speaker 1: somebody else. Right now, you clearly are anti Trump. At 449 00:22:32,440 --> 00:22:35,440 Speaker 1: what point do you look around There were eight people 450 00:22:35,560 --> 00:22:38,880 Speaker 1: on the stage last night. Trump is not one of them. 451 00:22:39,280 --> 00:22:43,600 Speaker 1: Trump has obviously opened up a substantial lead. At what 452 00:22:43,800 --> 00:22:45,760 Speaker 1: point do you look, I'm sure you've read the Wall 453 00:22:45,840 --> 00:22:48,639 Speaker 1: Street Journal make this argument that there needs to be 454 00:22:48,840 --> 00:22:52,640 Speaker 1: a thinning of the herd, so to speak, in order 455 00:22:52,760 --> 00:22:55,920 Speaker 1: for Trump not to win. If your goal is Trump 456 00:22:56,119 --> 00:22:58,320 Speaker 1: not to be the nominee, at what point do you 457 00:22:58,440 --> 00:23:02,679 Speaker 1: look around and say the anti Trump faction has to coalesce? 458 00:23:02,920 --> 00:23:05,520 Speaker 1: Are we there? What's that time look like in your mind? 459 00:23:06,640 --> 00:23:08,680 Speaker 3: You know, my goal is to be elected president of 460 00:23:08,680 --> 00:23:11,560 Speaker 3: the United States, not to see Donald Trump not elected 461 00:23:11,600 --> 00:23:15,000 Speaker 3: president the United States. So that's the first thing. Secondly, 462 00:23:16,280 --> 00:23:18,760 Speaker 3: I think there will be a natural coalecting of it. 463 00:23:19,400 --> 00:23:22,200 Speaker 3: But I think you know, the Wall Street Journal editorial 464 00:23:22,280 --> 00:23:27,359 Speaker 3: page trying to force that in August of twenty twenty 465 00:23:27,440 --> 00:23:31,640 Speaker 3: three has never been successful in any race they've tried 466 00:23:31,720 --> 00:23:34,119 Speaker 3: to do that in or other media folks try to 467 00:23:34,200 --> 00:23:37,040 Speaker 3: do that in And it's going to take some time 468 00:23:37,560 --> 00:23:39,879 Speaker 3: for people to get to know us and for it 469 00:23:39,960 --> 00:23:42,600 Speaker 3: to become obvious to us as to who they should 470 00:23:42,600 --> 00:23:45,400 Speaker 3: collect behind. But I will say this, you know, I've 471 00:23:45,400 --> 00:23:47,000 Speaker 3: been in the race for two and a half months. 472 00:23:47,600 --> 00:23:51,240 Speaker 3: I'm now at fourteen percent in New Hampshire. I'm ahead 473 00:23:51,640 --> 00:23:55,080 Speaker 3: by five points of Ron DeSantis, who was the far 474 00:23:55,160 --> 00:23:59,240 Speaker 3: and away front running challenger when he got into this race. 475 00:23:59,280 --> 00:24:04,080 Speaker 3: He's down place in New Hampshire. So, you know, I 476 00:24:04,240 --> 00:24:07,879 Speaker 3: feel like we've made enormous progress in just two and 477 00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:10,639 Speaker 3: a half months. And I will remind you also that 478 00:24:10,760 --> 00:24:14,960 Speaker 3: these national polls mean absolutely nothing. We don't have a 479 00:24:15,080 --> 00:24:19,840 Speaker 3: national primary, and the race will change when Iowan's vote. 480 00:24:20,240 --> 00:24:22,639 Speaker 3: The race will change again when the residents of New 481 00:24:22,680 --> 00:24:26,159 Speaker 3: Hampshire vote, and again when the residents of South Carolina 482 00:24:26,280 --> 00:24:29,960 Speaker 3: and Nevada vote, and those first four will cull the 483 00:24:30,080 --> 00:24:34,360 Speaker 3: herd significantly, and we'll see how it goes from there. 484 00:24:34,400 --> 00:24:36,440 Speaker 3: And I think you might even have, you know, a 485 00:24:36,600 --> 00:24:41,400 Speaker 3: smaller stage in late September, given that the criteria increased 486 00:24:41,760 --> 00:24:44,080 Speaker 3: and some of the people who were on stage last night, 487 00:24:44,600 --> 00:24:46,920 Speaker 3: you know, may not make it to next month. 488 00:24:47,160 --> 00:24:49,560 Speaker 1: You mentioned the people that you didn't think were bought 489 00:24:49,680 --> 00:24:53,680 Speaker 1: and paid for in terms of the ak Ramaswami going 490 00:24:53,880 --> 00:24:57,800 Speaker 1: after that allegation that he made last night during the debate. 491 00:24:58,000 --> 00:25:01,760 Speaker 1: You didn't mention Ron DeSantis. Do you think Ron DeSantis 492 00:25:01,800 --> 00:25:02,600 Speaker 1: has bought and paid for? 493 00:25:04,560 --> 00:25:08,640 Speaker 3: But what I think is he's rented. I think he's 494 00:25:08,720 --> 00:25:14,200 Speaker 3: rented by big money interests in Florida. You know, you 495 00:25:14,320 --> 00:25:19,560 Speaker 3: don't raise eighty three million in Florida and have that 496 00:25:19,800 --> 00:25:24,119 Speaker 3: happen and transferred to your presidential account. Then raise more money, 497 00:25:24,520 --> 00:25:28,920 Speaker 3: more soft money. I think that. And when you see that, 498 00:25:29,520 --> 00:25:35,440 Speaker 3: that super packed structure dictates your debate strategy. And we 499 00:25:35,600 --> 00:25:40,639 Speaker 3: watched last night as he repeated, sometimes effectively, sometimes less effectively, 500 00:25:41,160 --> 00:25:47,000 Speaker 3: memorized soundbites from you know, those those memos. The memo 501 00:25:47,160 --> 00:25:50,480 Speaker 3: is so effective that even the Vey was using a 502 00:25:50,600 --> 00:25:56,119 Speaker 3: never back down memo. And so you know that's what 503 00:25:56,280 --> 00:25:59,520 Speaker 3: makes me laugh about you know, Vey accusing everybody else. 504 00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:02,880 Speaker 3: And this is a guy, you know, who wrote a book, 505 00:26:03,480 --> 00:26:07,840 Speaker 3: you know, condemning Donald Trump and his activities on January sixth, 506 00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:10,040 Speaker 3: and then when I call him on it on the 507 00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:12,760 Speaker 3: stage last night, he says he never said it. Well, 508 00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:16,879 Speaker 3: he wrote it in a book or his ghostwriter wrote 509 00:26:16,920 --> 00:26:19,600 Speaker 3: it in the book under his name. So look, I 510 00:26:19,720 --> 00:26:23,320 Speaker 3: think that Ron has a lot to answer for in 511 00:26:23,520 --> 00:26:26,800 Speaker 3: terms of the conduct of his super pack and the 512 00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:29,720 Speaker 3: conduct of you know, his own campaign in the in 513 00:26:29,800 --> 00:26:33,800 Speaker 3: there what what appears to be very very close coordination 514 00:26:34,359 --> 00:26:37,680 Speaker 3: between the two, and that makes everybody a little bit squirrely. 515 00:26:37,760 --> 00:26:41,800 Speaker 1: I think you mentioned Vivac and now he is the 516 00:26:42,040 --> 00:26:44,200 Speaker 1: ardent and most ardent. I think it's fair to say 517 00:26:44,320 --> 00:26:47,879 Speaker 1: defender of Donald Trump on that stage last night is 518 00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:49,800 Speaker 1: Thevaike in your mind? And we just had him on 519 00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:51,680 Speaker 1: so people can go listen to the interview that we 520 00:26:51,800 --> 00:26:54,560 Speaker 1: did with him. Do you think Theveke is running to 521 00:26:54,760 --> 00:26:57,720 Speaker 1: beat Trump and become president of the United States or 522 00:26:57,760 --> 00:27:00,439 Speaker 1: do you think he's auditioning to be his vice president. 523 00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:04,800 Speaker 3: I think he's auditioning for something. I don't think, knowing 524 00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:08,040 Speaker 3: Donald Trump as well as I do, I might have 525 00:27:08,119 --> 00:27:10,439 Speaker 3: as good a chance to be vice president as Vivek. 526 00:27:12,280 --> 00:27:16,119 Speaker 3: Donald Trump's not going to pick somebody who shoots their 527 00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:19,920 Speaker 3: mouth off like Veveke did last night in the number 528 00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:24,280 Speaker 3: two spot. He's going to pick someone who is much 529 00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:28,280 Speaker 3: more controllable than somebody like the Veke. So I think 530 00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:32,000 Speaker 3: Vek may be, you know, auditioning for a cabinet position. 531 00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:36,240 Speaker 3: I think it would be honestly kind of silly for 532 00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:38,400 Speaker 3: him to be thinking that he'd be picked for vice 533 00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:40,760 Speaker 3: president over a number of other people that I think 534 00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:44,760 Speaker 3: the president, the former president believes he has better relationships 535 00:27:44,800 --> 00:27:48,760 Speaker 3: with and might be more of his prototypical type of 536 00:27:48,840 --> 00:27:53,720 Speaker 3: vice president. Remember Mike Pence was selected as vice president 537 00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:57,760 Speaker 3: in twenty sixteen, and in part because, as he told 538 00:27:57,840 --> 00:28:01,520 Speaker 3: me at the time, Mike answers out of central casting. 539 00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:06,800 Speaker 3: You know, a quiet vice president that would not cause 540 00:28:06,840 --> 00:28:11,200 Speaker 3: any trouble. I don't think anyone could describe the Vake 541 00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:11,640 Speaker 3: that way. 542 00:28:12,359 --> 00:28:14,440 Speaker 1: Talking to Chris Christy was on the stage last night 543 00:28:14,520 --> 00:28:19,200 Speaker 1: in Milwaukee, Governor Christie, when you look now going forward, 544 00:28:19,280 --> 00:28:21,359 Speaker 1: you mentioned it's only August, though there's another debate in 545 00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:23,040 Speaker 1: a month. You mentioned some of those people may not 546 00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:26,040 Speaker 1: be on the stage. One of the things that's going 547 00:28:26,119 --> 00:28:29,159 Speaker 1: to continue to loom is Trump. And you came on 548 00:28:29,320 --> 00:28:32,399 Speaker 1: with us before right as some of the alley, right 549 00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:36,400 Speaker 1: as the Hunter Biden investigation blew up, and I thought, candidly, 550 00:28:36,520 --> 00:28:39,840 Speaker 1: your strongest argument all night was that if you were 551 00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:42,440 Speaker 1: president of the United States, Hunter Biden would be in prison. 552 00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:44,800 Speaker 1: When you see and I'm sure you've seen this, because 553 00:28:44,840 --> 00:28:49,000 Speaker 1: it's headlines everywhere that Fanny Willis is asking for that 554 00:28:49,320 --> 00:28:54,040 Speaker 1: Rico case to go to trial now October twenty third, 555 00:28:54,560 --> 00:28:58,440 Speaker 1: that's basically two months from today. How crazy is that, 556 00:28:59,120 --> 00:29:01,520 Speaker 1: what do you think think this is going to look like? 557 00:29:01,640 --> 00:29:04,000 Speaker 1: Do you think the odds are based on your knowledge 558 00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:07,720 Speaker 1: as an assistant as a district attorney, state's attorney, sorry, 559 00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:10,800 Speaker 1: all the time that you spent prosecuting people. Do you 560 00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:13,880 Speaker 1: think Trump is going to be able to avoid these 561 00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:16,920 Speaker 1: cases going to trial? How many of you think would 562 00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:21,080 Speaker 1: go to trial between now and election day twenty twenty four. 563 00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:24,320 Speaker 3: Well, let me say this first off, that case is 564 00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:27,320 Speaker 3: in Atlanta. Is not going to trial on October? Yeah, 565 00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:33,800 Speaker 3: no shots, No shots, maybe October of twenty five. 566 00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:36,960 Speaker 1: Governor, I asked, Yeah, I said, when the October date 567 00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:38,920 Speaker 1: went up, they didn't put the year, and I asked 568 00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:40,960 Speaker 1: my staff, I was like, are they talking about October 569 00:29:41,040 --> 00:29:43,440 Speaker 1: of twenty four? That surely she doesn't mean two months 570 00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:45,440 Speaker 1: from now. So sorry to cut you off, but that 571 00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:47,800 Speaker 1: was my initial reaction too. I thought it was crazy, 572 00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:49,320 Speaker 1: there's no shot. 573 00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:52,760 Speaker 3: Look, I think that there are two cases that have 574 00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:58,200 Speaker 3: the chance to be tried at or before the Convention, 575 00:29:59,240 --> 00:30:04,520 Speaker 3: the New York case and the January sixth case. I 576 00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:09,000 Speaker 3: think that the classified documents case, which I think is 577 00:30:09,080 --> 00:30:13,560 Speaker 3: the strongest case against it, It's going to take time 578 00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:20,560 Speaker 3: to get people cleared to review those classified documents to 579 00:30:20,680 --> 00:30:23,160 Speaker 3: get a jury selected and all the rest. I have 580 00:30:23,280 --> 00:30:26,440 Speaker 3: a hard time believing that they'll be able to try 581 00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:31,920 Speaker 3: that case, you know, before the late fall of twenty 582 00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:35,640 Speaker 3: twenty four. So I think your maximum play would be 583 00:30:37,240 --> 00:30:39,200 Speaker 3: the New York case, which I think very well could 584 00:30:39,240 --> 00:30:44,480 Speaker 3: happen this spring, not a complicated case, and the January 585 00:30:44,560 --> 00:30:48,760 Speaker 3: sixth case because Donald Trump's the only defendant. And I 586 00:30:48,840 --> 00:30:52,600 Speaker 3: think that's the reason that Jack Smith did it that way. 587 00:30:53,240 --> 00:30:55,840 Speaker 3: He didn't please this big case like Fanny Willis did, 588 00:30:56,280 --> 00:31:00,480 Speaker 3: because he wanted it to actually have a fast track trials. 589 00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:05,040 Speaker 3: So I think that could happen anywhere from like mid 590 00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:09,960 Speaker 3: spring of twenty four into the early summer of twenty four. 591 00:31:10,120 --> 00:31:12,320 Speaker 3: So I think you're going to be faced in two trials, 592 00:31:12,320 --> 00:31:16,800 Speaker 3: and Republican primary voters have to ask themselves, is that 593 00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:19,800 Speaker 3: really our best foot forward to beat Joe Biden. That's 594 00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:21,600 Speaker 3: kind of what I said in my closing last night, 595 00:31:21,760 --> 00:31:26,320 Speaker 3: Like you think that Joe Biden and the Democrats are 596 00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:29,960 Speaker 3: going to be afraid of Donald Trump, who very well 597 00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:34,760 Speaker 3: could be convicted felon in two different matters before the 598 00:31:34,840 --> 00:31:37,760 Speaker 3: fall election. And that's who we're saying is our best 599 00:31:37,840 --> 00:31:41,520 Speaker 3: candidate put up against Joe Biden. Let's not make this 600 00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:45,520 Speaker 3: a grudge match. The states are too high because Clay, 601 00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:48,720 Speaker 3: let me tell you if the Democrat, if Biden wins, 602 00:31:48,760 --> 00:31:52,640 Speaker 3: he's going to take the House back. That means we're 603 00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:55,920 Speaker 3: going to have Supreme Court packing. That means we're going 604 00:31:55,960 --> 00:32:00,280 Speaker 3: to eliminate the filibuster. This is going to be a 605 00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:05,000 Speaker 3: cataclysmic loss for the country if we don't nominate someone 606 00:32:05,040 --> 00:32:09,400 Speaker 3: who can win. And Donald Trump, given what he's facing 607 00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:13,960 Speaker 3: and they're going to be hearing before trial, he's got 608 00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:17,280 Speaker 3: to show up in all that stuff he's out on bail, Clay, 609 00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:21,840 Speaker 3: You're not allowed not to show up. And that's going 610 00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:25,200 Speaker 3: to be the circus we're going to be seeing between 611 00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:28,120 Speaker 3: now and then. And the shame of it is that 612 00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:32,960 Speaker 3: it is all self created, all of it. And I 613 00:32:33,080 --> 00:32:35,800 Speaker 3: can't imagine that Republicans are going to look at that 614 00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:39,360 Speaker 3: and say, yeah, that's two times felon, that's our best 615 00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:42,800 Speaker 3: shot to beat Joe Biden. Joe Biden wants Donald Trump, 616 00:32:43,760 --> 00:32:47,000 Speaker 3: and if we are dumb enough to give him Donald Trump, 617 00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:49,080 Speaker 3: we're going to really harm the country. 618 00:32:50,360 --> 00:32:53,640 Speaker 1: Chris Christy right off the debate stage onto the show, 619 00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:54,680 Speaker 1: appreciate the time. 620 00:32:55,920 --> 00:32:58,600 Speaker 3: Play always great being on the program and please tell 621 00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:01,280 Speaker 3: Buck I said, congratulates Should great work 622 00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:05,240 Speaker 2: M HM.