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Speaker 1: The Book of Joe podcast is a production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 1: Hi there, welcome back to the latest episode of the

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Speaker 1: Book of Joe.

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Speaker 2: Me Tom Berducci and Joe Madden and Joe. Listen.

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Speaker 1: There's a lot of things we could talk about. We

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Speaker 1: get the All Star Game coming up. That's an exciting time,

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Speaker 1: and Seattle gets the game again for the first time

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Speaker 1: in about twenty two years.

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Speaker 2: But man, we got to talk about your Angels again.

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Speaker 1: They keep making news and it's not always for the

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Speaker 1: right reason.

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Speaker 2: What a day the fourth of July was for the Angels.

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Speaker 2: Mike Trout goes on the.

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Speaker 1: Il with a busted bone in his wrist, Shoe O'tani

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Speaker 1: has to come out of the game, at least pitching wise,

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Speaker 1: because of a blister on the middle finger of his

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Speaker 1: the game because hey, it's a foul ball off his

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Speaker 1: shin maybe inside of the knee, and was actually on

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Speaker 1: crutches after the game.

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Speaker 2: Oh my goodness. I mean, it's been a rough go

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Speaker 2: for the Angels for years now. Joe, You've been there,

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Speaker 2: you know what it's like.

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Speaker 1: First of all, I got to ask you about Mike

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Speaker 1: with Mike going now with that handmate bone injury, what

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Speaker 1: was your first reaction when you heard about it.

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Speaker 3: Well, when I actually did see, I think I saw

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Speaker 3: the swing on replay, and when that happens, it's never good, right,

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Speaker 3: I mean, to take an actual swing. It's almost like

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Speaker 3: when he got hurt when he was handing the helmet

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Speaker 3: And then just whenever guy takes his swing and has

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Speaker 3: it normally is not a good situation. So yeah, I

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Speaker 3: It's going to be long term. I'd be curious to

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Speaker 3: that he will, But that's risks are bad man, riskstone

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Speaker 3: So yeah, that was really awkward to watch and see,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, those handmai bone injuries can go anywhere from four

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Speaker 1: We don't know that Mike will find out the next

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Speaker 2: But it's going to be at least a month.

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Speaker 1: I've got him down for missing probably at least forty games,

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Speaker 1: and it's just a shame.

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Speaker 2: I mean, Mike was starting to figure it out.

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Speaker 1: He's starting to heat up a little bit here in

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Speaker 2: He's going to turn thirty two next month.

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Speaker 1: His career is actually comparable to that of Mickey Mantle,

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Speaker 1: and I just looked this up. Mantle at the same

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Speaker 1: It's just a shame that we haven't got to see

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Speaker 3: Part of the Mickey situation was at least the fans

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Speaker 3: The body gets hurt. Listen, the guy's a specimen. I've

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Speaker 3: the end of the day, man, guys get hurt.

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Speaker 2: No doubt about it.

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Speaker 1: And you think about we're going to the All Star

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Speaker 1: You're right, Joe, But you know, the greatest predictor of

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Speaker 1: And speaking of shame, Mike Trout, as you mentioned here,

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Speaker 1: And let's face it, the Angels and you were a

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Speaker 1: Book of Joe podcasts, Show Hey Otani. Joe just had

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Speaker 3: the Giants I think it was August or I think

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00:21:10,478 --> 00:21:13,238
Speaker 3: it was August, the four game sweep them in Chicago,

433
00:21:13,278 --> 00:21:16,318
Speaker 3: and then you know this is this, Okay, this can

434
00:21:16,318 --> 00:21:19,518
Speaker 3: actually work. So you need some kind of indicator sign

435
00:21:20,278 --> 00:21:24,398
Speaker 3: from the group within, from the daily process, from the energy,

436
00:21:24,918 --> 00:21:27,398
Speaker 3: all these things, just maybe even little signs. You know,

437
00:21:27,438 --> 00:21:29,198
Speaker 3: the Grand Slam and the ninth inning with two I

438
00:21:29,278 --> 00:21:30,558
Speaker 3: was in a full count that you win by a

439
00:21:30,598 --> 00:21:33,438
Speaker 3: run point one, one run, four to three or whatever

440
00:21:33,918 --> 00:21:36,918
Speaker 3: or eight to seven. You need some You need those

441
00:21:36,998 --> 00:21:39,518
Speaker 3: kind of moments in order to believe. And it really

442
00:21:39,598 --> 00:21:42,918
Speaker 3: comes down to that. It's one thing to be mathematically

443
00:21:42,918 --> 00:21:45,678
Speaker 3: whatever number of games behind, but you know what it

444
00:21:45,718 --> 00:21:47,958
Speaker 3: feels like, in your clubhouse. You know again, the spree

445
00:21:47,998 --> 00:21:50,918
Speaker 3: de corps. You know the togetherness, you know the energy,

446
00:21:50,998 --> 00:21:53,318
Speaker 3: you know all of that. You should know all of that,

447
00:21:53,758 --> 00:21:55,678
Speaker 3: and all of that makes sense whether or not you're

448
00:21:55,718 --> 00:21:58,078
Speaker 3: gonna be able to do something, because don't forget. You know,

449
00:21:58,118 --> 00:22:00,678
Speaker 3: even though you're saying you're this many of games behind,

450
00:22:01,038 --> 00:22:02,838
Speaker 3: you have to evaluate the other teams that are right

451
00:22:02,838 --> 00:22:05,678
Speaker 3: there with you. Seattle, allays get is getting better and

452
00:22:05,718 --> 00:22:08,798
Speaker 3: they've showed this kind of a pattern in the past

453
00:22:08,798 --> 00:22:10,918
Speaker 3: where they get better in a latter part of the season.

454
00:22:10,998 --> 00:22:14,878
Speaker 3: So there's a lot to evaluate besides just X number

455
00:22:14,918 --> 00:22:16,238
Speaker 3: of games behind a wild card.

456
00:22:17,198 --> 00:22:19,678
Speaker 2: Yeah, so let's take the temperature of the Angels right now.

457
00:22:19,798 --> 00:22:22,158
Speaker 1: That's a good point you made. They've lost ten of

458
00:22:22,158 --> 00:22:26,918
Speaker 1: their last fourteen games. They have fourteen players on the

459
00:22:26,958 --> 00:22:32,838
Speaker 1: IL fourteen. They have a schedule in which twenty nine

460
00:22:32,918 --> 00:22:35,878
Speaker 1: of their next thirty nine games are against winning teams,

461
00:22:36,078 --> 00:22:43,798
Speaker 1: starting with the Dodgers this weekend and then the Yankees, Astros, Toronto, Atlanta,

462
00:22:44,318 --> 00:22:49,998
Speaker 1: San Francisco, Tampa, Bay Texas. It's a killer schedule. They

463
00:22:50,038 --> 00:22:54,878
Speaker 1: have nineteen games between now and the trade deadline. I

464
00:22:54,878 --> 00:22:57,958
Speaker 1: don't think Otani is going to pitch for fifteen days.

465
00:22:58,398 --> 00:23:00,678
Speaker 1: They have the All Star break coming up, and if

466
00:23:00,718 --> 00:23:02,598
Speaker 1: you want to give them some time to really recover

467
00:23:02,718 --> 00:23:05,918
Speaker 1: with that finger, well, I think if he's a six

468
00:23:05,998 --> 00:23:08,918
Speaker 1: starter coming out of the break, that's fifteen days off

469
00:23:08,918 --> 00:23:11,078
Speaker 1: to get him right. But it also means he's not

470
00:23:11,158 --> 00:23:15,078
Speaker 1: out there. He's your race boy. You just look at

471
00:23:15,118 --> 00:23:17,438
Speaker 1: where they're at. You take a temperature of the angels

472
00:23:17,478 --> 00:23:21,278
Speaker 1: and it's hard to see anything other than treading water,

473
00:23:21,318 --> 00:23:23,878
Speaker 1: and I think they would do well just to treade

474
00:23:23,918 --> 00:23:27,398
Speaker 1: water during this stretch here. They're a very vulnerable spot here.

475
00:23:27,878 --> 00:23:31,678
Speaker 1: The trout injury is just it's so big in this organization.

476
00:23:31,878 --> 00:23:34,198
Speaker 1: I think as much as arty Moreno wants to keep

477
00:23:34,398 --> 00:23:37,638
Speaker 1: sho Hey Otani, and I still think push comes to shove,

478
00:23:37,718 --> 00:23:40,438
Speaker 1: he is not going to trade Otani, but I do

479
00:23:40,478 --> 00:23:43,518
Speaker 1: think he has to at least explore the idea. I

480
00:23:43,598 --> 00:23:45,998
Speaker 1: know what he would want back, and that is ready

481
00:23:46,118 --> 00:23:47,358
Speaker 1: made major leaguers.

482
00:23:47,518 --> 00:23:48,958
Speaker 2: He doesn't want lottery tickets.

483
00:23:48,998 --> 00:23:51,558
Speaker 1: If you're going to trade for Otani, you're gonna have

484
00:23:51,598 --> 00:23:55,918
Speaker 1: to give Arty Moreno, name brand star players back. And

485
00:23:55,998 --> 00:23:57,958
Speaker 1: if you're a team that wants O'tani for the race,

486
00:23:58,038 --> 00:23:59,918
Speaker 1: how do you trade a star player, because then you're

487
00:23:59,958 --> 00:24:03,198
Speaker 1: weakening your own team. It's difficult to find a fit.

488
00:24:03,278 --> 00:24:05,878
Speaker 1: But again, you never know. You get in a room,

489
00:24:05,878 --> 00:24:08,838
Speaker 1: you start discussing it. We're about two and a half

490
00:24:08,918 --> 00:24:12,358
Speaker 1: weeks away from actually the Angels having to make that decision.

491
00:24:12,438 --> 00:24:14,838
Speaker 1: It's going to take some time to get negotiating, to

492
00:24:14,878 --> 00:24:17,958
Speaker 1: get teams involved, say a week before the deadline, at

493
00:24:17,998 --> 00:24:19,438
Speaker 1: least five days before the deadline.

494
00:24:19,478 --> 00:24:21,278
Speaker 2: That's not much time. It's not much to be seen.

495
00:24:21,318 --> 00:24:23,118
Speaker 1: So I don't think there's a lot can happen between

496
00:24:23,118 --> 00:24:24,838
Speaker 1: now and the deadline for the Angels to all of

497
00:24:24,838 --> 00:24:26,598
Speaker 1: a sudden say, hey, we look great.

498
00:24:26,678 --> 00:24:27,998
Speaker 2: We got to keep this team together.

499
00:24:28,198 --> 00:24:29,958
Speaker 1: I think treading water at this point is the best

500
00:24:29,958 --> 00:24:32,118
Speaker 1: they can hope for, giving their schedule and health.

501
00:24:32,558 --> 00:24:35,358
Speaker 3: Well, I think actually the tougher schedule benefits them because

502
00:24:35,358 --> 00:24:36,918
Speaker 3: that should bring out the best of them. You want

503
00:24:36,958 --> 00:24:38,558
Speaker 3: to believe that. And they're also going to find out

504
00:24:38,758 --> 00:24:40,558
Speaker 3: can we play against the better team. So there's a

505
00:24:40,598 --> 00:24:42,798
Speaker 3: lot of stuff that'll be answered right there, And for me,

506
00:24:42,838 --> 00:24:44,918
Speaker 3: I would prefer that, I swear I would if I'm

507
00:24:44,958 --> 00:24:47,158
Speaker 3: in that same situation. I want to play better teams.

508
00:24:47,318 --> 00:24:49,318
Speaker 3: I want to find out exactly what we have right now,

509
00:24:49,838 --> 00:24:51,678
Speaker 3: and they have to be a minimum five hundred after

510
00:24:51,798 --> 00:24:54,518
Speaker 3: like you said, Tredding Water would be five hundred. The

511
00:24:54,598 --> 00:24:57,478
Speaker 3: goal would be I would say, you say, like twenty games,

512
00:24:57,638 --> 00:24:59,838
Speaker 3: nineteen or twenty games. If you could come out, you know,

513
00:24:59,838 --> 00:25:02,038
Speaker 3: a couple three or four games over five hundred during

514
00:25:02,038 --> 00:25:05,638
Speaker 3: that time, Wow, that would be pretty significant. If you

515
00:25:05,638 --> 00:25:07,478
Speaker 3: could do something like that, and then all of a sudden,

516
00:25:07,918 --> 00:25:10,678
Speaker 3: you're going to have a different feel about yourself and

517
00:25:10,758 --> 00:25:13,318
Speaker 3: the group. So yeah, there's a lot of questions that

518
00:25:13,358 --> 00:25:15,758
Speaker 3: will be answered in that timeframe. I'm here to tell

519
00:25:15,758 --> 00:25:17,998
Speaker 3: you it's not easy to just flip a switch and think,

520
00:25:17,998 --> 00:25:19,958
Speaker 3: all of a sudden, if you haven't playing good baseball,

521
00:25:20,078 --> 00:25:22,718
Speaker 3: that you're gonna start playing good baseball. It just doesn't

522
00:25:22,758 --> 00:25:26,398
Speaker 3: happen that way. There's got to be that seminal moment.

523
00:25:26,478 --> 00:25:29,158
Speaker 3: Something has to occur, whether the new player comes in

524
00:25:29,278 --> 00:25:32,358
Speaker 3: provide like with the de la Cruz, right with the

525
00:25:32,478 --> 00:25:35,518
Speaker 3: Cincinnati and all those other kids. That's that's what you need.

526
00:25:35,558 --> 00:25:37,958
Speaker 3: You need something significant. I like Moniac, I don't know

527
00:25:38,238 --> 00:25:40,158
Speaker 3: he plays a little I don't know this kid at all,

528
00:25:40,518 --> 00:25:44,198
Speaker 3: but this guy, to me has that kind of ability

529
00:25:44,238 --> 00:25:46,318
Speaker 3: it looks like just watching his swing and things that

530
00:25:46,358 --> 00:25:48,318
Speaker 3: I see him doing the game. So maybe he's gonna

531
00:25:48,318 --> 00:25:51,198
Speaker 3: step in there and provide something on a daily basis

532
00:25:51,198 --> 00:25:53,078
Speaker 3: that they didn't even know that they had. They kind

533
00:25:53,078 --> 00:25:55,718
Speaker 3: of do, but didn't know on a regular basis. Taylor

534
00:25:55,758 --> 00:25:57,758
Speaker 3: Word could pick it up because t Dub's are really

535
00:25:57,798 --> 00:26:01,038
Speaker 3: good and he hasn't been at that level yet this year,

536
00:26:01,478 --> 00:26:05,078
Speaker 3: So they got some really good players there still that

537
00:26:05,238 --> 00:26:08,198
Speaker 3: given an opportunity, might show a little bit more right now.

538
00:26:08,518 --> 00:26:11,158
Speaker 3: But you really, I think after this whatever twenty game stretch,

539
00:26:11,158 --> 00:26:13,478
Speaker 3: whatever you said about those better teams coming up right now,

540
00:26:14,398 --> 00:26:16,798
Speaker 3: just be honest with yourself after that and then you

541
00:26:16,798 --> 00:26:17,998
Speaker 3: can make a better determination.

542
00:26:18,478 --> 00:26:20,358
Speaker 2: Yeah, don't forget Joe Adell in that mix.

543
00:26:20,398 --> 00:26:22,678
Speaker 1: He's gonna get some run here with with Mike down

544
00:26:22,758 --> 00:26:26,038
Speaker 1: and listen, he's made some nice adjustments.

545
00:26:26,038 --> 00:26:27,478
Speaker 2: He was tearing up Triple A.

546
00:26:27,758 --> 00:26:30,118
Speaker 1: You know, I know, you know, it's an offensive league

547
00:26:30,118 --> 00:26:33,078
Speaker 1: out there in the PCL. But he's earned his place

548
00:26:33,158 --> 00:26:35,598
Speaker 1: back here and the opportunity now presents itself for Joe

549
00:26:35,598 --> 00:26:37,878
Speaker 1: Adell to kind of establish himself. He's always had a

550
00:26:37,878 --> 00:26:40,398
Speaker 1: difficult go and you saw it Joe on the defensive

551
00:26:40,438 --> 00:26:43,358
Speaker 1: side of things. But like Moniac, who is the number

552
00:26:43,358 --> 00:26:46,798
Speaker 1: one pick, you know, stay patient with these guys. You

553
00:26:46,838 --> 00:26:50,838
Speaker 1: saw the ability, the athleticism, the power in hitters like that,

554
00:26:51,198 --> 00:26:53,878
Speaker 1: and not everybody hits the ground running like a Trout

555
00:26:53,958 --> 00:26:57,438
Speaker 1: or a Tatisse, So you know that the ceiling is

556
00:26:57,478 --> 00:26:59,558
Speaker 1: really high for players like that, and you're right, maybe

557
00:26:59,558 --> 00:27:01,358
Speaker 1: you guys like that can give them a jolt, So

558
00:27:02,278 --> 00:27:03,278
Speaker 1: that's what they need right now.

559
00:27:03,278 --> 00:27:04,118
Speaker 2: It's difficult for.

560
00:27:04,078 --> 00:27:05,518
Speaker 1: Me to believe that the Angels are all of a

561
00:27:05,518 --> 00:27:08,318
Speaker 1: sudden going to play better than they have all season long,

562
00:27:08,358 --> 00:27:10,038
Speaker 1: which is what it's going to have to take for

563
00:27:10,078 --> 00:27:12,118
Speaker 1: the Angels to get to the postseason. For two games

564
00:27:12,158 --> 00:27:14,758
Speaker 1: over five hundred more than halfway into the season, and

565
00:27:14,798 --> 00:27:17,038
Speaker 1: they need to get to I think eighty six eighty

566
00:27:17,038 --> 00:27:19,758
Speaker 1: seven wins to be a factor in the playoff picture.

567
00:27:19,878 --> 00:27:22,198
Speaker 1: So they're gonna have to be better somehow without Mike

568
00:27:22,238 --> 00:27:24,398
Speaker 1: Trout for the next four to eight weeks.

569
00:27:24,758 --> 00:27:26,958
Speaker 3: I just want to say about I should have mentioned Joe.

570
00:27:27,118 --> 00:27:29,358
Speaker 3: I'm a big Joe Adell guy fan. This is a

571
00:27:29,398 --> 00:27:32,438
Speaker 3: great young man. I really enjoyed my time with him.

572
00:27:32,438 --> 00:27:34,998
Speaker 3: I enjoyed my conversations with him. The thing I love

573
00:27:34,998 --> 00:27:38,078
Speaker 3: about Joe Adele's he never makes excuses. He goes back

574
00:27:38,118 --> 00:27:40,158
Speaker 3: to Triple A just pounds it. He just pounds it.

575
00:27:40,478 --> 00:27:42,238
Speaker 3: You tell him we need you to work on something,

576
00:27:42,278 --> 00:27:45,118
Speaker 3: He works on something. He doesn't come back. He doesn't cry,

577
00:27:45,158 --> 00:27:47,318
Speaker 3: he doesn't call up front offices. He doesn't have his

578
00:27:47,438 --> 00:27:50,438
Speaker 3: agents call in all the time and say, hey, what's

579
00:27:50,478 --> 00:27:52,798
Speaker 3: up with Joe? Why? Why had she given Joe Moore love?

580
00:27:53,198 --> 00:27:54,998
Speaker 3: I like this man a lot. I met his dad

581
00:27:56,118 --> 00:27:57,998
Speaker 3: in a restaurant on the road, I think it was

582
00:27:57,998 --> 00:28:00,278
Speaker 3: in Chicago, and always, like I told Joe, I want

583
00:28:00,318 --> 00:28:01,638
Speaker 3: to meet your pop. I want to meet your mom,

584
00:28:01,678 --> 00:28:04,318
Speaker 3: because whoever raised you did a wonderful job. He's just

585
00:28:04,518 --> 00:28:06,838
Speaker 3: that good of a young man. So if you can

586
00:28:06,958 --> 00:28:09,398
Speaker 3: root for somebody, root for him, because I'll tell you

587
00:28:09,438 --> 00:28:11,038
Speaker 3: what if he does for you, this is his power

588
00:28:11,078 --> 00:28:13,318
Speaker 3: is oppressive. I mean, he could have as much power

589
00:28:13,358 --> 00:28:16,798
Speaker 3: as anybody playing the game right now. And again, if

590
00:28:16,798 --> 00:28:19,198
Speaker 3: you look at Buckston, Minnesota, when I first saw him,

591
00:28:19,198 --> 00:28:21,278
Speaker 3: he looked kind of like that, and then he wasn't

592
00:28:21,358 --> 00:28:23,398
Speaker 3: very good, and then he became very good, and then

593
00:28:23,398 --> 00:28:25,918
Speaker 3: everybody forgot about all the different faux positive had made

594
00:28:25,918 --> 00:28:32,078
Speaker 3: in the past. So if character and the person himself matters,

595
00:28:32,398 --> 00:28:34,798
Speaker 3: give Joe an opportunity because he's he's that good of.

596
00:28:34,798 --> 00:28:37,078
Speaker 2: A guy, Well said, I agree with everything he said.

597
00:28:37,118 --> 00:28:40,438
Speaker 1: He's just so impressive as a person, and you know,

598
00:28:40,518 --> 00:28:42,558
Speaker 1: the ability is there. So that'd be interesting to see

599
00:28:42,558 --> 00:28:44,758
Speaker 1: if the Angels start any kind of a run here,

600
00:28:44,798 --> 00:28:47,558
Speaker 1: because soon they're going to get Zach Nedo back, the

601
00:28:47,598 --> 00:28:50,718
Speaker 1: shortstop drafted just a couple of years ago. So you're

602
00:28:50,718 --> 00:28:55,358
Speaker 1: talking about Moniac, Netto and Adele in the lineup, and

603
00:28:55,398 --> 00:28:58,318
Speaker 1: in August you're going to get logan O hoppyback. Those

604
00:28:58,318 --> 00:29:03,758
Speaker 1: are four essentially rookies, really young guys, and maybe.

605
00:29:03,518 --> 00:29:04,118
Speaker 2: That's a good thing.

606
00:29:04,198 --> 00:29:06,638
Speaker 1: We just talked about speeding and athleticism of the game,

607
00:29:06,678 --> 00:29:09,198
Speaker 1: and maybe this is the opportunity and more so the

608
00:29:09,318 --> 00:29:12,158
Speaker 1: energy that drives the Angels forward.

609
00:29:12,238 --> 00:29:14,118
Speaker 2: I mean, the odds I think are still against them.

610
00:29:14,158 --> 00:29:17,038
Speaker 1: As you mentioned, it's it's the teams you're chasing now

611
00:29:17,318 --> 00:29:20,158
Speaker 1: as much as it is getting yourself figured out. But

612
00:29:21,198 --> 00:29:23,798
Speaker 1: young players, they're sitting on some good ones right now.

613
00:29:23,918 --> 00:29:27,198
Speaker 3: Joe No, yeah, absolutely, and it will be interesting when

614
00:29:27,198 --> 00:29:29,358
Speaker 3: these guys get that opportunity, and then you know, if

615
00:29:29,358 --> 00:29:31,358
Speaker 3: they could hold the fork down a bit and other

616
00:29:31,398 --> 00:29:33,918
Speaker 3: guys get well again, and then you could, you know,

617
00:29:33,958 --> 00:29:37,518
Speaker 3: bring the veteran back in there and hopefully augment the situation.

618
00:29:37,638 --> 00:29:41,518
Speaker 3: But look at Vodo's come back and Cincinnati and Joey's wonderful,

619
00:29:41,518 --> 00:29:43,558
Speaker 3: but it's not He's not the reason they're winning. He's

620
00:29:43,598 --> 00:29:46,198
Speaker 3: really the reason winning because of that young, energetic group,

621
00:29:46,398 --> 00:29:49,478
Speaker 3: athletic group that comes to play every night. That would

622
00:29:49,478 --> 00:29:51,038
Speaker 3: be the thing with the with these young angels. And

623
00:29:51,078 --> 00:29:53,078
Speaker 3: I don't know these kids other than Joe pretty good.

624
00:29:53,118 --> 00:29:56,758
Speaker 3: I don't know Ammoniac at all. I don't know Zach

625
00:29:56,838 --> 00:29:59,678
Speaker 3: at all. But that's exactly what you need right now.

626
00:29:59,718 --> 00:30:01,118
Speaker 3: And I'm telling you that's what turned it around for

627
00:30:01,158 --> 00:30:05,078
Speaker 3: the Cubbies is energetic second half and twenty fifteen, where

628
00:30:05,118 --> 00:30:06,998
Speaker 3: all of a sudden we were very athletic. We did

629
00:30:06,998 --> 00:30:09,678
Speaker 3: different things. We pitched really well, we caught the ball,

630
00:30:09,718 --> 00:30:12,198
Speaker 3: man did we catch the ball? And all that stuff matters.

631
00:30:12,198 --> 00:30:14,838
Speaker 3: So it just doesn't have to be about hitting. Everybody

632
00:30:14,878 --> 00:30:16,878
Speaker 3: wants it to be about hitting all the time. It

633
00:30:16,918 --> 00:30:19,398
Speaker 3: could be about energy, it could be about greater defense,

634
00:30:19,638 --> 00:30:21,598
Speaker 3: it could be about you know, winning three to two,

635
00:30:21,638 --> 00:30:23,318
Speaker 3: two to one, one nothing so much. It could be

636
00:30:23,318 --> 00:30:26,478
Speaker 3: about all that and all of a sudden momentum bills

637
00:30:26,518 --> 00:30:29,678
Speaker 3: And I'm sure you know that they already know this,

638
00:30:29,758 --> 00:30:31,238
Speaker 3: but that's what they're probably going to have to do.

639
00:30:31,278 --> 00:30:34,718
Speaker 3: You can't go out. They're expecting to put the big

640
00:30:34,798 --> 00:30:37,518
Speaker 3: loves on the heavyweight gloves and go to boxing. It's

641
00:30:37,518 --> 00:30:39,038
Speaker 3: the same thing with the Yankees right now. They got

642
00:30:39,078 --> 00:30:41,038
Speaker 3: to play an entire game and they have been so

643
00:30:41,758 --> 00:30:43,718
Speaker 3: you might have to make an adjustment, but who knows

644
00:30:44,038 --> 00:30:45,838
Speaker 3: in the long haul, the long term, it might actually

645
00:30:45,838 --> 00:30:46,558
Speaker 3: benefit the group.

646
00:30:47,038 --> 00:30:49,958
Speaker 1: Well, we've been talking a lot about essentially the baseball

647
00:30:49,958 --> 00:30:54,478
Speaker 1: equivalent of supergroups. We see them in rock and roll.

648
00:30:54,838 --> 00:30:59,038
Speaker 1: Sometimes they work, sometimes they don't work. And when we

649
00:30:59,078 --> 00:31:07,238
Speaker 1: get back, we will explore supergroups.

650
00:31:13,598 --> 00:31:14,198
Speaker 2: Okay, Joe.

651
00:31:14,198 --> 00:31:18,358
Speaker 1: We talked about the Angels with Trout and Otani being

652
00:31:18,558 --> 00:31:22,278
Speaker 1: fifty games under five hundred, with those guys as teammates

653
00:31:22,278 --> 00:31:24,438
Speaker 1: for six years, they haven't been on the field together

654
00:31:24,638 --> 00:31:30,678
Speaker 1: nearly enough. Basically it hasn't worked. I mean, no playoff appearances.

655
00:31:31,278 --> 00:31:34,718
Speaker 1: It got me thinking about supergroups. And you remember back

656
00:31:34,758 --> 00:31:37,318
Speaker 1: in the seventies in the eighties, there were a lot

657
00:31:37,318 --> 00:31:39,878
Speaker 1: of supergroups right where you had guys who are established

658
00:31:39,878 --> 00:31:42,238
Speaker 1: stars in the music scene get together and say hey,

659
00:31:42,838 --> 00:31:44,238
Speaker 1: let's get our own band together.

660
00:31:44,558 --> 00:31:46,678
Speaker 2: Sometimes it worked, sometimes it didn't.

661
00:31:48,558 --> 00:31:51,998
Speaker 1: I think about you probably forgot this back in twenty eleven.

662
00:31:52,638 --> 00:31:54,518
Speaker 1: Actually it wasn't that long ago. It was Mike Trout's

663
00:31:54,558 --> 00:31:57,678
Speaker 1: rookie year. Mick Jagger took a break from the Rolling

664
00:31:57,718 --> 00:31:59,638
Speaker 1: Stones and he put together a supergroup.

665
00:32:00,198 --> 00:32:02,438
Speaker 2: He had Josh Stone, he had Dave Stewart.

666
00:32:02,518 --> 00:32:07,198
Speaker 1: He put this supergroup together called Super Heavy, and they.

667
00:32:07,638 --> 00:32:10,038
Speaker 2: Cut twenty nine songs in ten days.

668
00:32:10,998 --> 00:32:14,598
Speaker 1: And needless to say, there was no second album from

669
00:32:14,638 --> 00:32:15,278
Speaker 1: Super Heavy.

670
00:32:15,718 --> 00:32:16,918
Speaker 2: It just didn't work.

671
00:32:17,118 --> 00:32:21,278
Speaker 1: You had great talents, there's no doubt about that, but

672
00:32:21,798 --> 00:32:23,598
Speaker 1: Mick Jagger is singing in Sanskrit.

673
00:32:23,998 --> 00:32:25,238
Speaker 2: You know, probably not a.

674
00:32:25,158 --> 00:32:30,358
Speaker 1: Commercial success or an artistic success. But you know, it

675
00:32:30,398 --> 00:32:33,638
Speaker 1: doesn't always work when you have the most talented people together.

676
00:32:33,758 --> 00:32:37,518
Speaker 1: I think in baseball and like in music, there has

677
00:32:37,638 --> 00:32:41,798
Speaker 1: to be a chemistry and you can't force that. Sometimes

678
00:32:41,798 --> 00:32:44,878
Speaker 1: you try it, it doesn't happen. But Joe, you've been

679
00:32:44,918 --> 00:32:48,798
Speaker 1: on teams, whether they've been younger teams or established teams

680
00:32:49,278 --> 00:32:53,518
Speaker 1: that either had that chemistry or they didn't. So give

681
00:32:53,558 --> 00:32:56,118
Speaker 1: me your sense of what it takes when you have,

682
00:32:56,358 --> 00:33:00,798
Speaker 1: especially bringing together elite talent, to turning that into a

683
00:33:00,918 --> 00:33:03,438
Speaker 1: true team, and the difficulty of doing that.

684
00:33:04,478 --> 00:33:07,318
Speaker 3: It's, yes, one hundred percent, you're on the money with

685
00:33:07,398 --> 00:33:11,398
Speaker 3: all of that. You don't need fifteen to twenty superstars

686
00:33:11,438 --> 00:33:14,398
Speaker 3: on it within a group group to win a championship,

687
00:33:14,438 --> 00:33:17,878
Speaker 3: not at all. For me, it is about creating culture.

688
00:33:18,358 --> 00:33:20,358
Speaker 3: And you know a lot of people scoff at that notion.

689
00:33:20,518 --> 00:33:22,918
Speaker 3: What does that mean? Well, for me, that means, like

690
00:33:23,238 --> 00:33:26,958
Speaker 3: I alluded to earlier, creating a method of operation within

691
00:33:26,998 --> 00:33:30,758
Speaker 3: the group set you set aside what you think is

692
00:33:30,798 --> 00:33:32,478
Speaker 3: the right things to do on a daily basis, and

693
00:33:32,518 --> 00:33:35,198
Speaker 3: how to do it. For me simply, I mean, I've

694
00:33:35,238 --> 00:33:37,438
Speaker 3: talked about this a lot, and these are the kind

695
00:33:37,438 --> 00:33:41,078
Speaker 3: of things that nobody really researches when you think about

696
00:33:41,158 --> 00:33:45,478
Speaker 3: hitting and pitching whatever. For me, establish relationships. You know,

697
00:33:45,918 --> 00:33:49,558
Speaker 3: it's about relationship building. It's about establishing trust, it's about

698
00:33:49,558 --> 00:33:53,238
Speaker 3: exchanging ideas, and then it's permitting constructive criticism to flow.

699
00:33:53,278 --> 00:33:56,078
Speaker 3: We've talked about it in the book. That's where you

700
00:33:56,078 --> 00:33:59,278
Speaker 3: start building culture. I mean, it's not about getting guys

701
00:33:59,278 --> 00:34:02,078
Speaker 3: that necessarily run faster or throw harder or hit the

702
00:34:02,078 --> 00:34:05,838
Speaker 3: ball farther are for the great in the uniform whatever.

703
00:34:06,678 --> 00:34:09,678
Speaker 3: It's about those things. And when you get those things

704
00:34:09,718 --> 00:34:14,438
Speaker 3: in order and everybody buys in, then you get into philosophically,

705
00:34:14,558 --> 00:34:17,118
Speaker 3: who are we drafting and why and who are we

706
00:34:17,238 --> 00:34:19,518
Speaker 3: not going to accept in this locker room, in this clubhouse,

707
00:34:19,518 --> 00:34:21,838
Speaker 3: who does not belong here? Or if you get somebody

708
00:34:21,838 --> 00:34:23,958
Speaker 3: that's a little bit tough, you've established such a wonderful

709
00:34:23,998 --> 00:34:26,958
Speaker 3: culture within the group that you think, well, if this

710
00:34:26,998 --> 00:34:29,198
Speaker 3: guy were to come here, that group, that group within

711
00:34:29,238 --> 00:34:31,678
Speaker 3: the clubhouse will be able to take him in and

712
00:34:31,758 --> 00:34:34,758
Speaker 3: assimilate him and get out of xtrap play from this

713
00:34:34,838 --> 00:34:37,838
Speaker 3: stell of this person exactly what we're looking for. But

714
00:34:37,958 --> 00:34:40,278
Speaker 3: it starts with that kind of stuff. It doesn't start

715
00:34:40,518 --> 00:34:46,158
Speaker 3: with necessarily scouting techniques or hitting techniques whatever. It starts

716
00:34:46,158 --> 00:34:50,798
Speaker 3: with personal team building techniques regarding people and how do

717
00:34:50,838 --> 00:34:53,758
Speaker 3: you bring people together. So for me, that's what I've done.

718
00:34:53,798 --> 00:34:56,238
Speaker 3: I mean I again, we talked about it in the book,

719
00:34:56,318 --> 00:34:57,918
Speaker 3: talking about back in the day in the eighties with

720
00:34:57,998 --> 00:35:00,158
Speaker 3: Gene Mak when he told me one day that I

721
00:35:00,518 --> 00:35:03,238
Speaker 3: had created a great atmosphere around Instructional League at Geenautry

722
00:35:03,278 --> 00:35:05,678
Speaker 3: Park had no idea what he was talking about. None.

723
00:35:06,038 --> 00:35:09,638
Speaker 3: You know, we were playing well. Yes, we taught baseball properly.

724
00:35:09,718 --> 00:35:12,918
Speaker 3: We had a nice structured day, We were very well organized.

725
00:35:12,918 --> 00:35:14,918
Speaker 3: We did all that stuff. You had good looking guys,

726
00:35:15,278 --> 00:35:19,398
Speaker 3: big bodies, fast bodies. But we established this method of

727
00:35:19,438 --> 00:35:22,358
Speaker 3: operation within the group. And it began with the fact

728
00:35:22,398 --> 00:35:24,238
Speaker 3: that we spoke with one another. We were straightforward with

729
00:35:24,278 --> 00:35:26,278
Speaker 3: one another. If I tell you the truth, you might

730
00:35:26,318 --> 00:35:27,718
Speaker 3: not like me for a week or ten days, but

731
00:35:27,758 --> 00:35:29,598
Speaker 3: if I lie to you, you're gonna hate me forever.

732
00:35:29,838 --> 00:35:31,958
Speaker 3: Those are the kind of things that bring groups together,

733
00:35:32,318 --> 00:35:34,878
Speaker 3: and then you have something to work off of, and

734
00:35:34,878 --> 00:35:37,598
Speaker 3: then of course you're going to get your philosophical scouts,

735
00:35:37,638 --> 00:35:41,758
Speaker 3: your philosophically player development, and then eventually your major league team.

736
00:35:41,758 --> 00:35:44,198
Speaker 3: But nobody spends enough time. I don't think. I don't

737
00:35:44,198 --> 00:35:47,838
Speaker 3: hear about it, really concerned about that stuff. And the

738
00:35:47,878 --> 00:35:51,118
Speaker 3: other thing I love. I love really good sports mental

739
00:35:51,118 --> 00:35:54,398
Speaker 3: skills coach. I had that with Ken Rivisa and all

740
00:35:54,438 --> 00:35:58,198
Speaker 3: this stuff you combine and bring together. Then eventually you

741
00:35:58,358 --> 00:36:00,718
Speaker 3: throw it out on the field and stuff begins to

742
00:36:00,718 --> 00:36:03,678
Speaker 3: look like it's supposed to look. But you have this basis,

743
00:36:03,518 --> 00:36:08,238
Speaker 3: this space foundation to work from. That you have to

744
00:36:08,318 --> 00:36:11,198
Speaker 3: work on, and it's so much more difficult to build

745
00:36:11,238 --> 00:36:15,158
Speaker 3: that than to put together a manual like The Angels

746
00:36:15,198 --> 00:36:18,518
Speaker 3: where the Cubs wig. That's easy. The more difficult part

747
00:36:18,718 --> 00:36:21,998
Speaker 3: is the relationship building and bringing people together and getting

748
00:36:22,038 --> 00:36:23,078
Speaker 3: them on the same page.

749
00:36:23,398 --> 00:36:25,318
Speaker 1: Okay, Joe, you brought up an idea I really want

750
00:36:25,358 --> 00:36:28,758
Speaker 1: to explore with you. He talked about culture and maybe

751
00:36:28,838 --> 00:36:32,798
Speaker 1: sometimes there's guys out there you bring in you think

752
00:36:33,238 --> 00:36:35,478
Speaker 1: we can make him fit into our culture. I'll go

753
00:36:35,558 --> 00:36:38,318
Speaker 1: back to when the Yankees under Joe Tory, they believe

754
00:36:38,318 --> 00:36:40,878
Speaker 1: they had such a good culture there, they actually thought

755
00:36:40,878 --> 00:36:44,838
Speaker 1: about signing Albert Bell, right, who's a different kind of cat.

756
00:36:45,758 --> 00:36:47,878
Speaker 2: They almost lost Bernie Williams to the Red Sox.

757
00:36:47,878 --> 00:36:49,958
Speaker 1: They wound up signing him, but they explored the idea

758
00:36:49,998 --> 00:36:52,678
Speaker 1: of signing Albert Bell, and Joe Torri was convinced, we

759
00:36:52,718 --> 00:36:55,558
Speaker 1: have such a good culture, we can make it work.

760
00:36:55,998 --> 00:37:00,118
Speaker 1: My question for you is how much should the manager

761
00:37:00,518 --> 00:37:04,398
Speaker 1: have a say in those kind of acquisitions? Talking about

762
00:37:04,438 --> 00:37:08,278
Speaker 1: breaking somebody down in terms of the skills, but breaking

763
00:37:08,358 --> 00:37:11,518
Speaker 1: somebody down in terms of where they fit into the culture.

764
00:37:11,838 --> 00:37:14,678
Speaker 3: A lot, actually a lot. You're right for me as

765
00:37:14,678 --> 00:37:17,198
Speaker 3: a manager. As a coach, we don't see every other

766
00:37:17,238 --> 00:37:19,918
Speaker 3: team play every other day. Advanced scouts need to do

767
00:37:19,958 --> 00:37:22,278
Speaker 3: that and they need to evaluate these players appropriately. So

768
00:37:22,358 --> 00:37:25,758
Speaker 3: that's different. That is a scouts job. That is not

769
00:37:25,838 --> 00:37:28,758
Speaker 3: a manager's job. But the part about what I got

770
00:37:28,758 --> 00:37:30,918
Speaker 3: in my clubhouse and we're looking for what works in

771
00:37:30,958 --> 00:37:33,398
Speaker 3: here is my job, and you're one hundred percent right.

772
00:37:33,438 --> 00:37:36,278
Speaker 3: That's where they need to be consulted more consistently. I'll

773
00:37:36,278 --> 00:37:39,758
Speaker 3: give you an example. What was it with the Angels

774
00:37:39,758 --> 00:37:43,038
Speaker 3: in nineteen ninety five when we lost that huge lead

775
00:37:43,318 --> 00:37:44,798
Speaker 3: and we had that huge lead and then all of

776
00:37:44,838 --> 00:37:48,878
Speaker 3: a sudden went away and Mariners taught us Gary DiSarcina

777
00:37:48,918 --> 00:37:51,078
Speaker 3: slides in the second base. I'm coaching first base, and

778
00:37:51,118 --> 00:37:52,958
Speaker 3: I'm watching the slide and he puts his left there,

779
00:37:53,238 --> 00:37:55,838
Speaker 3: hand out, armout and does something with this stumb and

780
00:37:55,878 --> 00:37:57,718
Speaker 3: he's out for the year. So we have to move

781
00:37:57,798 --> 00:38:00,318
Speaker 3: Damien easily to shortstop. And now we already had rex

782
00:38:00,358 --> 00:38:02,878
Speaker 3: Hudler and Spike going there to play second base. So

783
00:38:02,918 --> 00:38:04,918
Speaker 3: I had done a nice job. Team was like four

784
00:38:05,038 --> 00:38:08,518
Speaker 3: thirteen games over in first place August fifth or something

785
00:38:08,558 --> 00:38:10,558
Speaker 3: like that. But no, we chose to go out and

786
00:38:10,558 --> 00:38:12,398
Speaker 3: bring We brought in Chicolean, and I'm not here to

787
00:38:12,398 --> 00:38:15,118
Speaker 3: indict chic Olean, but what happened was when we brought

788
00:38:15,198 --> 00:38:18,878
Speaker 3: him in did not necessarily fit into the clubhouse, but

789
00:38:18,918 --> 00:38:21,558
Speaker 3: also kind of upset Rex and Spike, who had been

790
00:38:21,598 --> 00:38:24,798
Speaker 3: there veterans and were very capable of holding down that position.

791
00:38:25,718 --> 00:38:28,038
Speaker 3: All of a sudden, all hell broke loose. Team was

792
00:38:28,038 --> 00:38:31,638
Speaker 3: not the same. Everything became fragmented because that was not

793
00:38:31,838 --> 00:38:35,878
Speaker 3: necessarily thought out completely. And quite frankly, that one example

794
00:38:35,918 --> 00:38:38,038
Speaker 3: has really helped me. You're talking, you're asking me questions

795
00:38:38,078 --> 00:38:42,438
Speaker 3: about advice I might give when you get caught in

796
00:38:42,478 --> 00:38:44,438
Speaker 3: a situation you need to bring to other people in.

797
00:38:44,558 --> 00:38:47,278
Speaker 3: I always think about that moment. So when you bring

798
00:38:47,318 --> 00:38:50,118
Speaker 3: somebody in, you got to know you don't think you

799
00:38:50,198 --> 00:38:52,318
Speaker 3: got to know that the people that already in the

800
00:38:52,318 --> 00:38:55,078
Speaker 3: clubhouse know that this player is going to make us better.

801
00:38:55,958 --> 00:38:58,638
Speaker 3: If you're bringing a lateral move in something straight across

802
00:38:58,678 --> 00:39:01,998
Speaker 3: the board, and it's not really obvious that the people

803
00:39:02,038 --> 00:39:03,838
Speaker 3: already there are not going to be as good, if

804
00:39:04,118 --> 00:39:06,158
Speaker 3: better than the guy you're bringing in, you can blow

805
00:39:06,158 --> 00:39:08,758
Speaker 3: the whole thing up. So that is exactly where you

806
00:39:08,838 --> 00:39:11,238
Speaker 3: need to consult with whom is in the clubhouse, and

807
00:39:11,278 --> 00:39:13,398
Speaker 3: I think, and I know a lot of times that's

808
00:39:13,438 --> 00:39:16,398
Speaker 3: not considered enough. You're gonna a lot of times, deed,

809
00:39:16,478 --> 00:39:19,318
Speaker 3: the people the front office will bring in somebody based

810
00:39:19,358 --> 00:39:21,478
Speaker 3: on the fact that they think they're analytically or a

811
00:39:21,478 --> 00:39:25,358
Speaker 3: better player than the guy that's already there, and it's

812
00:39:25,398 --> 00:39:28,078
Speaker 3: not enough. It's not enough to put you over the top,

813
00:39:28,118 --> 00:39:30,478
Speaker 3: and it's definitely enough to bring you down. So those

814
00:39:30,518 --> 00:39:34,038
Speaker 3: are the kind of things. Yes, and one day, man,

815
00:39:34,278 --> 00:39:36,878
Speaker 3: that one situation. Wow, did that teach me a lesson?

816
00:39:36,918 --> 00:39:39,558
Speaker 3: Nineteen ninety five, And I've used that as an example

817
00:39:39,638 --> 00:39:41,918
Speaker 3: I don't know how many times since then as a

818
00:39:41,958 --> 00:39:44,278
Speaker 3: coach and a manager when we want to bring guys

819
00:39:44,278 --> 00:39:48,998
Speaker 3: in during the season to either supplant somebody that's there

820
00:39:49,118 --> 00:39:51,518
Speaker 3: or somebody that had been injured. Do we already have

821
00:39:51,558 --> 00:39:53,158
Speaker 3: the answer in house? Do we have to do this?

822
00:39:53,478 --> 00:39:54,918
Speaker 3: All those things need to be considered.

823
00:39:55,398 --> 00:39:58,118
Speaker 1: Yeah, those are great points, especially it seems picking up

824
00:39:58,158 --> 00:40:00,198
Speaker 1: those kind of players in July. Let's face it, you're

825
00:40:00,198 --> 00:40:01,638
Speaker 1: trying to get in the playoffs. You have a good

826
00:40:01,638 --> 00:40:03,838
Speaker 1: team already. What's going to get us O?

827
00:40:03,998 --> 00:40:04,478
Speaker 2: Were the top?

828
00:40:04,958 --> 00:40:07,878
Speaker 1: I remember Billy being with Oakland actually talking about he

829
00:40:07,878 --> 00:40:10,238
Speaker 1: would actually loop in some of his key players, whether

830
00:40:10,238 --> 00:40:12,798
Speaker 1: it was Jason Giambi or Eric Chavez.

831
00:40:13,318 --> 00:40:15,038
Speaker 2: Just hey, I got a chance to get this guy.

832
00:40:15,118 --> 00:40:16,158
Speaker 2: What do you think you know?

833
00:40:16,278 --> 00:40:18,638
Speaker 1: Just bouncing it off the player because you know they're

834
00:40:18,638 --> 00:40:20,878
Speaker 1: in the room and the manager knows that room better

835
00:40:20,918 --> 00:40:24,318
Speaker 1: than anybody. I'm curious, Joe, how much you got looped

836
00:40:24,318 --> 00:40:28,198
Speaker 1: into trade deadline discussions? And I go back, the most

837
00:40:28,238 --> 00:40:30,678
Speaker 1: famous one would be a roled as Chapman at twenty sixteen.

838
00:40:31,078 --> 00:40:33,638
Speaker 1: I mean, Theofstein did a ton of homework on the

839
00:40:33,638 --> 00:40:36,678
Speaker 1: background of a role as Chapman. A lot of Cubs

840
00:40:36,678 --> 00:40:40,158
Speaker 1: fans weren't real happy about the acquisition. He wanted to

841
00:40:40,158 --> 00:40:43,118
Speaker 1: make sure that Chapman fit into that clubhouse and what

842
00:40:43,238 --> 00:40:44,198
Speaker 1: kind of guy he was.

843
00:40:44,358 --> 00:40:46,558
Speaker 2: Talk to a lot of people. Were you involved in that?

844
00:40:46,638 --> 00:40:49,918
Speaker 1: And have there been their cases where you were consulted

845
00:40:49,958 --> 00:40:52,478
Speaker 1: about some possible deadline moves, whether they were made or not.

846
00:40:53,158 --> 00:40:56,518
Speaker 3: Yeah, always normally was absolutely. I was not involved in

847
00:40:56,558 --> 00:40:58,958
Speaker 3: a whole lot of deadline moves. More with the Cubbies,

848
00:40:58,998 --> 00:41:01,278
Speaker 3: I mean, THEO was more active. It was a team

849
00:41:01,278 --> 00:41:02,878
Speaker 3: that had a chance to win World Series. We had

850
00:41:02,918 --> 00:41:06,918
Speaker 3: we won one, had a chance win three. Actually, so yeah,

851
00:41:06,918 --> 00:41:08,358
Speaker 3: there was a lot of that. I was there with

852
00:41:08,398 --> 00:41:10,558
Speaker 3: Erawaldis and when Eraldas showed up, I mean, of course

853
00:41:10,598 --> 00:41:11,958
Speaker 3: I liked e raw this. I mean as a pitcher,

854
00:41:11,998 --> 00:41:14,398
Speaker 3: it's outstanding. When he first came into I was told

855
00:41:14,438 --> 00:41:16,998
Speaker 3: to pitch him in multiple innings. It was okay. And

856
00:41:17,038 --> 00:41:19,598
Speaker 3: then I did that out of the shoot playing against

857
00:41:19,638 --> 00:41:22,598
Speaker 3: Seattle at Wrigley, and all of a sudden brought him

858
00:41:22,638 --> 00:41:24,238
Speaker 3: in the eighth. All of a sudden, the ball goes

859
00:41:24,278 --> 00:41:26,358
Speaker 3: in a left center field gap. He has the bad day,

860
00:41:26,598 --> 00:41:28,158
Speaker 3: and I find out the next day he hadn't done

861
00:41:28,198 --> 00:41:30,358
Speaker 3: that all year, which is my fault for not researching

862
00:41:30,398 --> 00:41:32,318
Speaker 3: that on my own. But those are the kind of

863
00:41:32,358 --> 00:41:34,518
Speaker 3: things that you want to know as a manager when

864
00:41:34,558 --> 00:41:37,958
Speaker 3: you bring somebody in. First, the research done on the

865
00:41:37,958 --> 00:41:40,758
Speaker 3: person the personality again, I don't have time to do that.

866
00:41:40,758 --> 00:41:44,198
Speaker 3: That is a front office situation. You're gonna then ask me,

867
00:41:45,918 --> 00:41:48,078
Speaker 3: does he fit into the clubhouse himself? Based on what

868
00:41:48,118 --> 00:41:50,198
Speaker 3: you've just said, the research that you've done, I don't

869
00:41:50,198 --> 00:41:52,478
Speaker 3: know this guy. I think we can handle. I would

870
00:41:52,478 --> 00:41:53,958
Speaker 3: say that, yes, we're going to be fine with this

871
00:41:53,998 --> 00:41:56,798
Speaker 3: guy within the clubhouse, and I think, like Johnny Lester

872
00:41:56,878 --> 00:41:58,718
Speaker 3: is going to be able to deal with this really well.

873
00:41:58,798 --> 00:42:00,998
Speaker 3: David Ross, we got the right kind of guys to

874
00:42:01,078 --> 00:42:05,038
Speaker 3: make this whole thing work. Yes, that is definitely part

875
00:42:05,038 --> 00:42:07,038
Speaker 3: of the conversation. And like I said, then he comes

876
00:42:07,038 --> 00:42:09,998
Speaker 3: in especially with like relief pitchers. As you're talking, we're

877
00:42:09,998 --> 00:42:12,638
Speaker 3: talking about a relief pitcher. You know, what has he done,

878
00:42:12,798 --> 00:42:15,598
Speaker 3: what is he comfortable with? How often can I use him?

879
00:42:15,718 --> 00:42:17,238
Speaker 3: These are the kind of things you'd want to know

880
00:42:17,318 --> 00:42:19,238
Speaker 3: right out of the shoot. And of course that'll be

881
00:42:19,278 --> 00:42:21,438
Speaker 3: based on a conversation I had with the player himself,

882
00:42:21,438 --> 00:42:25,678
Speaker 3: and I will, but sometimes it's not always They don't

883
00:42:25,678 --> 00:42:28,478
Speaker 3: even really know exactly what they're comfortable with, So you

884
00:42:28,558 --> 00:42:30,758
Speaker 3: got to you got ask somebody else. But all this

885
00:42:30,878 --> 00:42:33,678
Speaker 3: research has done, it's all given to the manager. Yes,

886
00:42:33,718 --> 00:42:36,638
Speaker 3: I was consulted, and THEO was really probably the most

887
00:42:36,638 --> 00:42:38,278
Speaker 3: active GM I had at that time of the year.

888
00:42:38,518 --> 00:42:40,278
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a good point about relief pitching.

889
00:42:40,278 --> 00:42:42,918
Speaker 1: And go back to last year with Josh Hater, who

890
00:42:43,158 --> 00:42:45,478
Speaker 1: wasn't happy in Milwaukee, didn't want to pitch more than

891
00:42:45,478 --> 00:42:47,598
Speaker 1: one inn and got traded to the Padres and Bob

892
00:42:47,638 --> 00:42:49,958
Speaker 1: Melvin sat him down, they worked it out, and he's like, yeah,

893
00:42:50,198 --> 00:42:51,998
Speaker 1: I can pitch more than three outs if you need me.

894
00:42:53,158 --> 00:42:55,358
Speaker 2: So it's a great point. I think the managers.

895
00:42:54,998 --> 00:42:58,238
Speaker 1: Should be involved in making those kind of decisions, not

896
00:42:58,278 --> 00:43:00,358
Speaker 1: to say they get the final say, of course, but

897
00:43:01,278 --> 00:43:03,918
Speaker 1: we're coming up that time of year where every team

898
00:43:04,078 --> 00:43:06,078
Speaker 1: is going to look to add. There's no question about it.

899
00:43:06,078 --> 00:43:07,998
Speaker 1: I think it's there's not a lot of inventory on

900
00:43:08,038 --> 00:43:10,078
Speaker 1: the trade market. There's still a lot of teams in

901
00:43:10,118 --> 00:43:13,438
Speaker 1: the mix. Injuries have certainly played a part. I don't

902
00:43:13,438 --> 00:43:14,998
Speaker 1: know if it's going to be active, but there'll be

903
00:43:14,998 --> 00:43:17,678
Speaker 1: a lot of discussions and maybe there's a trade out

904
00:43:17,678 --> 00:43:19,918
Speaker 1: there that will turn it for somebody. But to circle

905
00:43:19,998 --> 00:43:23,918
Speaker 1: things back, we talked about Otani. We'll see if he

906
00:43:23,958 --> 00:43:27,158
Speaker 1: gets traded again. I don't think that he will. Based

907
00:43:27,198 --> 00:43:30,278
Speaker 1: on everything I know from Arti Morino holding out hope

908
00:43:30,278 --> 00:43:32,318
Speaker 1: that this team can make a run, I think their

909
00:43:32,398 --> 00:43:35,438
Speaker 1: chances of resigning him are very small. I would put

910
00:43:35,438 --> 00:43:37,758
Speaker 1: the Dodgers to me as a favorites right now. You

911
00:43:37,878 --> 00:43:40,278
Speaker 1: got the Mets, the Giants, Mariners. I mean, there's a

912
00:43:40,318 --> 00:43:41,838
Speaker 1: bunch of teams that will be in it. But knowing

913
00:43:41,838 --> 00:43:43,918
Speaker 1: the number is going to I think go above five

914
00:43:43,998 --> 00:43:47,038
Speaker 1: hundred million. The true suitor is probably only two or

915
00:43:47,078 --> 00:43:49,518
Speaker 1: three I think for Otani. So that being said, Joe

916
00:43:49,558 --> 00:43:51,518
Speaker 1: I brought super groups and I got to ask you,

917
00:43:51,798 --> 00:43:53,798
Speaker 1: do you have a super favorite supergroup?

918
00:43:53,958 --> 00:43:57,038
Speaker 3: Oh my god, you're throwing it right out there right now.

919
00:43:57,078 --> 00:44:00,038
Speaker 1: I'm assuming it's a successful one and not super heavy

920
00:44:00,278 --> 00:44:05,158
Speaker 1: with Mick Jagger, but a band that came together that's

921
00:44:05,198 --> 00:44:08,598
Speaker 1: still on your playlist. I would probably go to Crosby Still's,

922
00:44:08,678 --> 00:44:11,198
Speaker 1: Nash and Young. Does that qualify as a supergroup? I

923
00:44:11,198 --> 00:44:15,158
Speaker 1: mean they kind of came together, but individually, I mean

924
00:44:15,198 --> 00:44:18,318
Speaker 1: that's a case where the sum actually is greater than

925
00:44:18,358 --> 00:44:19,998
Speaker 1: the parts, and the parts are amazing.

926
00:44:20,278 --> 00:44:21,878
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm big on them. I mean I was big

927
00:44:21,918 --> 00:44:27,118
Speaker 3: on his late sixties. What they got together finally at Woodstock.

928
00:44:27,158 --> 00:44:30,118
Speaker 3: Apparently big fan. I used to play them all the time.

929
00:44:30,158 --> 00:44:32,838
Speaker 3: I've had all their stuff, but I still play Crosby Stills,

930
00:44:32,878 --> 00:44:35,598
Speaker 3: Nash and then Young a lot. I'm big on all

931
00:44:35,598 --> 00:44:39,438
Speaker 3: of that stuff, you know, super groups. I mean, I

932
00:44:39,478 --> 00:44:41,478
Speaker 3: mean they all eventually came. I mean they can go

933
00:44:41,518 --> 00:44:43,798
Speaker 3: back to the Hollies. Okay, I love the Hollies. The

934
00:44:43,838 --> 00:44:47,358
Speaker 3: Hollies I will play the Hollies all the time. Long

935
00:44:47,438 --> 00:44:49,518
Speaker 3: cou Woman in a black dress one of my favorite

936
00:44:49,838 --> 00:44:52,958
Speaker 3: beginnings of any song, any generation, anytime. Oh yeah, I'm

937
00:44:52,958 --> 00:44:56,518
Speaker 3: a big Holies kind of a guy. Crean Ginger Baker

938
00:44:56,518 --> 00:44:59,198
Speaker 3: and all the dudes back, you know, clapped and all that.

939
00:44:59,318 --> 00:45:01,998
Speaker 3: I love cream. So there was it was. They kept

940
00:45:02,038 --> 00:45:05,598
Speaker 3: switching around all the Stevie win With another favorite of mine.

941
00:45:05,598 --> 00:45:06,998
Speaker 3: I love Stevie Wan would play with a lot of

942
00:45:06,998 --> 00:45:10,518
Speaker 3: different groups back then. So yeah, that's that time, that's

943
00:45:10,558 --> 00:45:13,158
Speaker 3: that period they were. They all seem to live in

944
00:45:13,198 --> 00:45:16,598
Speaker 3: Laurel Canyon. They all seemed to hang out with one

945
00:45:16,638 --> 00:45:19,358
Speaker 3: another that maybe they switched group like they switched partners

946
00:45:19,358 --> 00:45:22,518
Speaker 3: all the time. But the music was so good. And

947
00:45:22,598 --> 00:45:24,438
Speaker 3: I do, I mean I do. I've been on the

948
00:45:24,478 --> 00:45:27,078
Speaker 3: sixties kick this week. I went back to Flash Phelps

949
00:45:27,118 --> 00:45:29,918
Speaker 3: on the sixties this week because I just wanted to

950
00:45:29,918 --> 00:45:33,518
Speaker 3: go back in time. I'm in my pad here in Pennsylvania,

951
00:45:33,558 --> 00:45:36,878
Speaker 3: my daughter Sarah, my grandkids are here, and I just

952
00:45:36,918 --> 00:45:39,638
Speaker 3: got totally nostalgic. So like this morning, I had the

953
00:45:39,678 --> 00:45:42,078
Speaker 3: sixties on and a lot of those groups. Thought of

954
00:45:42,118 --> 00:45:44,558
Speaker 3: those dudes came on the radio this morning, and even

955
00:45:44,598 --> 00:45:46,398
Speaker 3: back to the Stones, I mean, back in sixty three,

956
00:45:46,478 --> 00:45:49,518
Speaker 3: sixty four, satisfaction, all that stuff. I mean, go on

957
00:45:49,558 --> 00:45:51,958
Speaker 3: and on. I mean, it's just was such a fertile

958
00:45:52,038 --> 00:45:55,798
Speaker 3: time it was. It was great stuff. But yeah, Crosby, Stills,

959
00:45:55,878 --> 00:45:58,198
Speaker 3: Nash and then Young love that stuff.

960
00:45:58,598 --> 00:46:01,838
Speaker 1: Well that's your answer the Angels to get into the postseason.

961
00:46:02,638 --> 00:46:05,438
Speaker 1: Their answer is to start playing like the Hollies. Yes,

962
00:46:05,558 --> 00:46:07,758
Speaker 1: bring it all together, boys, team chemistry.

963
00:46:08,038 --> 00:46:08,558
Speaker 3: There you go.

964
00:46:08,718 --> 00:46:11,158
Speaker 2: It matters in music and in baseball.

965
00:46:11,278 --> 00:46:13,478
Speaker 3: I love it, man, it is it does. It does,

966
00:46:13,518 --> 00:46:15,918
Speaker 3: And I don't know that we consider that enough. I mean,

967
00:46:15,958 --> 00:46:21,238
Speaker 3: nobody talks about that. You're always talking about like individualism, individuals, branding,

968
00:46:21,878 --> 00:46:25,358
Speaker 3: you know, people persons, not groups. Teams. Like somebody brought

969
00:46:25,358 --> 00:46:28,558
Speaker 3: it to my attention. I watch it baseball uniforms. Is

970
00:46:28,598 --> 00:46:32,078
Speaker 3: it a uniform? Mean, it's supposed to be uniform. We

971
00:46:32,158 --> 00:46:34,558
Speaker 3: talked about that, and I'm guilty of the hoodie. I

972
00:46:34,558 --> 00:46:38,318
Speaker 3: get it. But different shoes, different belts, different everything. I mean,

973
00:46:38,518 --> 00:46:40,798
Speaker 3: at some point, then don't call it a uniform anymore.

974
00:46:40,998 --> 00:46:43,638
Speaker 3: Call it an a a uniform. It's a non uniform,

975
00:46:43,958 --> 00:46:46,558
Speaker 3: you know. So these are the kind of things bring

976
00:46:46,638 --> 00:46:51,198
Speaker 3: teams together, really personify the group. Put the individual in

977
00:46:51,238 --> 00:46:53,998
Speaker 3: the background again, and if you want to, that's where

978
00:46:53,998 --> 00:46:56,038
Speaker 3: you're gonna win. That's where you and listen. I'm all

979
00:46:56,078 --> 00:46:58,398
Speaker 3: about individuality. I want you to dress like you want

980
00:46:58,438 --> 00:47:00,278
Speaker 3: to dress. I want you to listen to music you

981
00:47:00,278 --> 00:47:02,038
Speaker 3: want to listen to. I want all of that absolutely.

982
00:47:02,078 --> 00:47:04,518
Speaker 3: But if you're out there as a team, a team, man,

983
00:47:04,838 --> 00:47:06,398
Speaker 3: play like the rets, be a team.

984
00:47:06,718 --> 00:47:08,958
Speaker 1: Joe, you just described to me why the job of

985
00:47:08,958 --> 00:47:12,558
Speaker 1: the manager now is more important than ever before. And

986
00:47:12,838 --> 00:47:14,718
Speaker 1: just look at Bruce Boche and the job he's doing

987
00:47:14,798 --> 00:47:17,278
Speaker 1: in Texas. Because we have a culture now in which

988
00:47:17,758 --> 00:47:21,358
Speaker 1: the individual is celebrated, a lot of people want to

989
00:47:21,398 --> 00:47:24,238
Speaker 1: make themselves stand out as being unique.

990
00:47:23,878 --> 00:47:25,118
Speaker 2: And different, which is great.

991
00:47:25,478 --> 00:47:28,278
Speaker 1: I mean, we love diversity and individuality and you want

992
00:47:28,318 --> 00:47:29,638
Speaker 1: to express your true self.

993
00:47:30,158 --> 00:47:31,998
Speaker 2: But baseball is a team sport.

994
00:47:32,318 --> 00:47:35,398
Speaker 1: So to make people believe in the greater good of

995
00:47:35,438 --> 00:47:40,598
Speaker 1: a team while still honoring your uniqueness, that takes a

996
00:47:40,638 --> 00:47:43,438
Speaker 1: special manager in today's game. Back in the day with

997
00:47:43,518 --> 00:47:46,638
Speaker 1: Gene mak no offense, there was a built in respect

998
00:47:46,718 --> 00:47:49,918
Speaker 1: for authority and for group think.

999
00:47:49,998 --> 00:47:51,998
Speaker 2: If you will, I don't really like that word, but

1000
00:47:52,518 --> 00:47:53,678
Speaker 2: you know what I'm getting that either.

1001
00:47:54,158 --> 00:47:56,958
Speaker 1: Now the opposite is true, where you have to build

1002
00:47:56,998 --> 00:48:02,638
Speaker 1: in that humility and unselfishness as it relates to thinking

1003
00:48:02,678 --> 00:48:06,878
Speaker 1: about the greater good of a team above what you

1004
00:48:06,878 --> 00:48:08,838
Speaker 1: could do as an individual. So that's why I think

1005
00:48:09,038 --> 00:48:11,998
Speaker 1: job of the manager today, Man, it's harder than ever.

1006
00:48:13,558 --> 00:48:16,918
Speaker 3: You're right, but I also love it. It's very challenging on

1007
00:48:16,958 --> 00:48:18,958
Speaker 3: a daily basis. The point would be that you have

1008
00:48:19,398 --> 00:48:22,678
Speaker 3: That's why we talk about team meetings. That's where the

1009
00:48:22,678 --> 00:48:26,358
Speaker 3: team meeting is important to me. Setting your philosophy out there,

1010
00:48:26,398 --> 00:48:29,118
Speaker 3: putting your thoughts out there, how we going to act,

1011
00:48:29,198 --> 00:48:31,158
Speaker 3: how we're going to act as a group, and how

1012
00:48:31,158 --> 00:48:36,038
Speaker 3: we're going to police ourselves from within, circle ouras wagons.

1013
00:48:36,078 --> 00:48:38,238
Speaker 3: We don't care what anybody else does. It doesn't really

1014
00:48:38,278 --> 00:48:41,478
Speaker 3: matter to me. It's been my experience that everybody's always

1015
00:48:41,478 --> 00:48:44,158
Speaker 3: worried about what everybody else is doing, and they want

1016
00:48:44,198 --> 00:48:47,238
Speaker 3: to be like that, And my situation was always that

1017
00:48:47,358 --> 00:48:50,118
Speaker 3: I wanted to be completely different. I'm talking about as

1018
00:48:50,118 --> 00:48:54,158
Speaker 3: an organization and circle the wagons and let's personify that

1019
00:48:54,238 --> 00:48:58,558
Speaker 3: particular thought or feel. That's where the meeting is important philosophically,

1020
00:48:58,638 --> 00:49:00,758
Speaker 3: this is what I believe. This is what I think,

1021
00:49:00,838 --> 00:49:03,358
Speaker 3: this is what I really believe is going to make

1022
00:49:03,438 --> 00:49:05,198
Speaker 3: us better. I'm going to throw this out at you,

1023
00:49:05,198 --> 00:49:07,198
Speaker 3: and now I want you guys to come back at

1024
00:49:07,278 --> 00:49:09,998
Speaker 3: me and tell me what you think is accurate, inaccurate, whatever.

1025
00:49:09,998 --> 00:49:12,398
Speaker 3: We'll discuss this. But by the time we leave this room,

1026
00:49:12,438 --> 00:49:15,038
Speaker 3: I want us to have the same sheet of music

1027
00:49:15,078 --> 00:49:18,238
Speaker 3: to work from. Our sheet of music. Not the Reds,

1028
00:49:18,318 --> 00:49:21,838
Speaker 3: not the Giants, not the Yankees, it would be whomever

1029
00:49:22,318 --> 00:49:24,718
Speaker 3: that team is. That sheet of music is the only

1030
00:49:24,758 --> 00:49:28,878
Speaker 3: sheet that matters. And to me, that's not what's happening. Again,

1031
00:49:28,918 --> 00:49:31,758
Speaker 3: I've talked about the socialistic approach to all this. Everybody

1032
00:49:31,798 --> 00:49:35,518
Speaker 3: else wants to be like everybody else, and the individuality,

1033
00:49:35,878 --> 00:49:37,918
Speaker 3: and again i'm talking with in an organization. I'm talking

1034
00:49:37,918 --> 00:49:42,678
Speaker 3: as a group is not really necessarily sought after. We

1035
00:49:42,718 --> 00:49:45,078
Speaker 3: want to be like every other group. We want the

1036
00:49:45,118 --> 00:49:47,238
Speaker 3: same kind of methods of scouting, we want the same

1037
00:49:47,318 --> 00:49:49,558
Speaker 3: kind of pictures. We want the sweet breaking ball is

1038
00:49:49,558 --> 00:49:52,038
Speaker 3: a big thing. Right now. We want elevated fastball. We

1039
00:49:52,078 --> 00:49:53,598
Speaker 3: want balls out of the ballpark. But now all of

1040
00:49:53,598 --> 00:49:55,878
Speaker 3: a sudden, we want speed. We want guys to take

1041
00:49:55,878 --> 00:49:58,838
Speaker 3: the extra base. We want pressure on the defense. We

1042
00:49:58,878 --> 00:50:01,518
Speaker 3: want more athletic defenders because there's only two guys on

1043
00:50:01,518 --> 00:50:05,438
Speaker 3: each side of the base, the catcher, the catcher, the

1044
00:50:05,518 --> 00:50:07,518
Speaker 3: fact that you know, with the with the strike zone

1045
00:50:07,518 --> 00:50:10,838
Speaker 3: popping up eventually maybe, but this one, Nie stuff is

1046
00:50:11,398 --> 00:50:15,678
Speaker 3: really proliferated just based on stealing strikes. Everybody needs to

1047
00:50:15,718 --> 00:50:20,238
Speaker 3: be the same, So that part I don't understand. And

1048
00:50:20,318 --> 00:50:22,118
Speaker 3: if you've ever get a chance to really work within

1049
00:50:22,158 --> 00:50:24,518
Speaker 3: a group again or run a group again, it would

1050
00:50:24,558 --> 00:50:27,718
Speaker 3: be about what do we think is right independent of

1051
00:50:27,798 --> 00:50:30,238
Speaker 3: everybody else, and let's be the best at that.

1052
00:50:30,758 --> 00:50:31,958
Speaker 2: I love it, love it.

1053
00:50:32,318 --> 00:50:35,078
Speaker 1: And to wrap things up here, I'm not sure if

1054
00:50:35,078 --> 00:50:38,998
Speaker 1: you've got something to take us out from Graham Nash,

1055
00:50:39,038 --> 00:50:41,158
Speaker 1: but I'll take.

1056
00:50:40,998 --> 00:50:43,198
Speaker 2: Whatever you've got here, supergroup or not.

1057
00:50:43,718 --> 00:50:47,278
Speaker 3: I didn't go there, man, I'm sorry. I listened. Woodrow.

1058
00:50:47,318 --> 00:50:49,678
Speaker 3: Wilson comes up with some stuff, good stuff once in

1059
00:50:49,678 --> 00:50:53,038
Speaker 3: a while, and I went with Windrow this morning. Former

1060
00:50:53,118 --> 00:50:56,198
Speaker 3: pres right, and it's very simple, but he was good

1061
00:50:56,198 --> 00:50:58,038
Speaker 3: at this stuff. If you want to make enemies, try

1062
00:50:58,078 --> 00:51:00,718
Speaker 3: to change something, and I guess that's really what it

1063
00:51:00,718 --> 00:51:03,238
Speaker 3: comes down to. I mean, we all resist change, and

1064
00:51:03,958 --> 00:51:06,198
Speaker 3: you know, I don't never want to come across as

1065
00:51:06,238 --> 00:51:09,758
Speaker 3: that because I'm an advocate for change. But after you

1066
00:51:09,798 --> 00:51:12,718
Speaker 3: whatever that is, you have to then reapply. You have

1067
00:51:12,758 --> 00:51:17,038
Speaker 3: to refreeze whatever that change is. Okay, you unfreeze to change,

1068
00:51:17,358 --> 00:51:19,798
Speaker 3: you make change, and you refreeze, and all of a sudden,

1069
00:51:20,038 --> 00:51:21,758
Speaker 3: this is what we do and how we do it.

1070
00:51:22,078 --> 00:51:24,438
Speaker 3: So if you want to make enemies, try to change something,

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Speaker 3: it's it's we all know what I'm talking about. It's

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Speaker 3: very obvious. But you have to unfreeze and refreeze change

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Speaker 3: to change something and then make it yours, whether it's

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Speaker 3: you individually, you as a group, and then you're eventually

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Speaker 3: going to have something that the entire group can hold

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Speaker 3: on to and prosper from. I believe that stuff.

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Speaker 1: Wow, I didn't think we were getting Woodrow Wilson, who

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Speaker 1: like the only Woodrow I have ever heard of.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, it's a good call.

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Speaker 3: I know, I know my fault.

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Speaker 2: That's all good.

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Speaker 1: And this has been a great discussion here about the

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Speaker 1: Angels and what lies ahead in these next three weeks,

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Speaker 1: especially with the deadline come up. Something to look forward to.

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Speaker 1: We'll be on top of it. A lot of fun, Joe.

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Speaker 1: We'll talk about probably the all Star Game, The Break

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Speaker 1: coming up next week.

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Speaker 3: Cool Brother, Thank you Man, I appreciate it.

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