WEBVTT - Ep. 6 - The Black Box 0:00:02.440 --> 0:00:06.320 Warning this episode contained scenes that may be disturbing to 0:00:06.400 --> 0:00:20.600 some of our listeners. Beto Corral wasn't going to give up. 0:00:21.200 --> 0:00:26.680 He had tried time and time again. From exile, he 0:00:26.720 --> 0:00:30.040 obtained the court file of his father's murder case, which 0:00:30.080 --> 0:00:33.920 the prosecutor's office refused to hand over. It took him 0:00:34.000 --> 0:00:40.280 over twenty seven years, and what he found shocked him. 0:00:40.560 --> 0:00:44.400 Upon reviewing the file, he realized that LUs Maria Bolella 0:00:44.440 --> 0:00:48.480 Maso had confessed to firing a fourth shot, which none 0:00:48.560 --> 0:00:52.239 of the witnesses heard, bet to ensure that it was 0:00:52.360 --> 0:00:55.480 her in collusion with criminals who arrived in the car 0:00:55.960 --> 0:01:01.640 who killed his father. In the same file, the prosecutor's 0:01:01.680 --> 0:01:07.440 office presented the conclusions of its investigations. There, the prosecutor states, 0:01:07.480 --> 0:01:13.400 and I quote, after reviewing and analyzing the proceedings carried out, 0:01:13.640 --> 0:01:17.480 we can observe the contradictions in this statement made by 0:01:17.560 --> 0:01:24.120 LUs Maria Rolela Masso about the mysterious ford shot. Nevertheless, 0:01:24.240 --> 0:01:31.760 the prosecutor's office did not follow this lead. Despite the 0:01:31.800 --> 0:01:35.840 obvious contradictions in LUs Maria Orleda's statement, they left the 0:01:35.880 --> 0:01:40.319 file like that and suspended judicial activities to find the culprits. 0:01:40.560 --> 0:01:45.000 Just eight months after the murder in January nineteen ninety five, 0:01:49.240 --> 0:01:52.880 Beta believes that Lusmaari did not act alone and he 0:01:53.000 --> 0:01:58.200 wanted to prove it to know everything. In his investigations, 0:01:58.520 --> 0:02:01.320 he discovered that she was still a life after the 0:02:01.360 --> 0:02:05.400 authorities themselves had told the Coral family that she was dead. 0:02:06.680 --> 0:02:09.840 To refute what he had been told earlier, he only 0:02:09.919 --> 0:02:12.440 had to look at social media. 0:02:12.560 --> 0:02:16.680 Also effectiam I searched for her on Facebook and I 0:02:16.720 --> 0:02:20.359 found her los Maria Bolda Maso with pictures and everything. 0:02:20.720 --> 0:02:23.960 In his first taxes to the profile, Beto saved some 0:02:24.040 --> 0:02:24.959 photos from. 0:02:24.720 --> 0:02:28.760 It, Tanana de photo Pla and de Columbia. 0:02:28.840 --> 0:02:31.480 She had a profile picture a Columbian flag with red 0:02:31.520 --> 0:02:35.680 pain resembling blood and an image that said Colombia mourns 0:02:35.720 --> 0:02:38.400 its heroes, Columbia mourns it's dead. 0:02:40.520 --> 0:02:43.680 As neither he nor his mother knew her, Beto had 0:02:43.720 --> 0:02:45.440 to make sure it was really. 0:02:45.160 --> 0:02:51.320 Her Balbo experient and that's wh I decided to go 0:02:51.400 --> 0:02:55.440 back to the file get her information, ID number, license 0:02:55.480 --> 0:02:57.920 plate number, and the ID showed as active. 0:03:01.680 --> 0:03:05.720 Upon seeing this, Beto asked a police friend about los Mari. 0:03:06.240 --> 0:03:08.920 This friend told him that LUs Mario Roleta was not 0:03:09.040 --> 0:03:15.600 only alive but also retired from the police force. When 0:03:15.639 --> 0:03:18.799 I met Veto in one of our interviews from his exile, 0:03:19.160 --> 0:03:22.640 I asked him more about this. It too unaske ya 0:03:22.960 --> 0:03:26.640 adaskon consul informacy on an internet? Okay, And once you 0:03:26.720 --> 0:03:29.440 find her information on the internet, did you try to 0:03:29.520 --> 0:03:31.760 contact her? What did you do next? 0:03:32.080 --> 0:03:36.120 Si commetis, Let's give me yes, I made that mistake. 0:03:36.240 --> 0:03:38.760 I sent a message to her and I said, Hi, 0:03:38.880 --> 0:03:41.560 Louise Mari, my name is Umberto Corral. I am the 0:03:41.560 --> 0:03:44.240 son of the police Major Umberto Corral. I want to 0:03:44.280 --> 0:03:47.440 talk to you, and I never got a response. Then 0:03:47.480 --> 0:03:50.160 I found her on Instagram. She ended up blocking me 0:03:50.200 --> 0:03:51.400 on all social media. 0:03:54.200 --> 0:03:57.880 She then disappeared again, just like when she appeared briefly 0:03:57.960 --> 0:04:05.160 at Captain Corral's funeral. But Beto didn't stop there. He 0:04:05.280 --> 0:04:08.800 needed to know more. He searched for clues. Among the 0:04:08.800 --> 0:04:12.160 photos he managed to say before louse Mati blocked. 0:04:11.920 --> 0:04:15.600 Him, saw yaks thineans thousand years photo the super Filia 0:04:15.640 --> 0:04:17.960 Facebook in La Florida. 0:04:18.040 --> 0:04:19.960 I know she was in the United States because some 0:04:20.000 --> 0:04:23.320 of her Facebook profile photos were in Florida. She posted 0:04:23.320 --> 0:04:26.400 a location in Georgia and a for tamlis or food, 0:04:26.400 --> 0:04:28.720 I don't remember which one, or for some beauty salon 0:04:28.960 --> 0:04:32.080 whose address was in Georgia. I looked out the address 0:04:32.120 --> 0:04:34.360 and decided I would go to Georgia to look for her. 0:04:35.800 --> 0:04:39.080 At that time, Beto was living in Miami, Los MATI 0:04:39.200 --> 0:04:42.839 was close. Beto wanted to find her at all costs 0:04:43.240 --> 0:04:46.520 he had to, but the clues he had were not enough. 0:04:52.720 --> 0:04:55.039 I looked at the profile that Beto could al shared 0:04:55.080 --> 0:04:58.240 with me. In it, there are several photos that she 0:04:58.360 --> 0:05:02.320 has shared, many in the the United States. She looks happy. 0:05:02.839 --> 0:05:05.719 I could describe it as a totally normal profile of 0:05:05.760 --> 0:05:10.280 someone her age. There are photos with her daughter with friends, 0:05:10.560 --> 0:05:13.280 sitting at a bar, having a drink, dyeing her hair, 0:05:13.800 --> 0:05:17.880 and smiling at a hockey game. One more Columbian immigrant 0:05:18.000 --> 0:05:23.440 in the United States. I tried to get in touch 0:05:23.480 --> 0:05:31.839 with her. I introduced myself and told her about this 0:05:31.960 --> 0:05:34.800 project and explained that as the main witness to the 0:05:34.880 --> 0:05:37.880 murder of Captain Umberto Corral, I would like to be 0:05:37.920 --> 0:05:41.840 able to hear her version. However, like she did with 0:05:41.920 --> 0:05:45.320 Betto a few years ago, she blocked me on Facebook. 0:05:50.560 --> 0:05:53.400 In one of the photos that Betto still has. LUs 0:05:53.480 --> 0:05:56.839 Mattie is seen sitting in a highchair wearing a black 0:05:56.839 --> 0:05:59.960 skirt and a red blouse outside a place that appears 0:06:00.120 --> 0:06:03.479 to be a pool hall. On the entrance door, you 0:06:03.560 --> 0:06:07.960 can read the place's name, Lavaca Billiards. Below the name 0:06:08.080 --> 0:06:10.839 is the address, followed by the name of the town 0:06:11.440 --> 0:06:16.240 Talker Georgia. It is a small town outside of Atlanta, 0:06:16.520 --> 0:06:22.640 just about five hundred kilometers from Miami. Immediately, I took 0:06:22.680 --> 0:06:24.960 to Google to search for the place, but it was 0:06:25.000 --> 0:06:28.960 listed as permanently closed. From the photos of the place 0:06:29.000 --> 0:06:32.520 on Facebook, it can be inferred that it operated until 0:06:32.560 --> 0:06:36.159 mid twenty twenty one. It seemed like a party center 0:06:36.240 --> 0:06:40.000 for the Hispanic community because the posts were in Spanish. 0:06:40.480 --> 0:06:45.839 The photos show a stage where Latin music artists perform. Today, 0:06:46.000 --> 0:06:50.120 after ceasing operations, Lavaca Billiards has a new name, La 0:06:50.240 --> 0:06:54.120 Chona Billiards. It is another venue in the typical setting 0:06:54.160 --> 0:06:58.040 of an American suburb, a strip mall with several businesses 0:06:58.040 --> 0:07:01.400 together facing a large park lot with some trees in 0:07:01.440 --> 0:07:07.440 the background. After analyzing that photo in detail and trying 0:07:07.440 --> 0:07:10.760 to reach Los matti through it, Beto realized he only 0:07:10.840 --> 0:07:14.280 had one address where she had been one day. The 0:07:14.320 --> 0:07:16.160 photo revealed little. 0:07:16.640 --> 0:07:20.080 Nataniela Sertza understa tell me in Tenia, photos in Columbia. 0:07:20.240 --> 0:07:22.880 I was not certain where she was. She also had 0:07:22.880 --> 0:07:25.559 photos in Colombia, but the photos in Colombia were old 0:07:25.800 --> 0:07:28.360 and the most recent ones were in the United States, 0:07:28.640 --> 0:07:31.240 so it seemed like she was currently living in the 0:07:31.320 --> 0:07:32.280 United States. 0:07:32.720 --> 0:07:36.040 Although Beto and los Matti both live in the United States, 0:07:36.640 --> 0:07:40.200 it is a huge country. He could not return to Colombia, 0:07:40.600 --> 0:07:43.400 but in the United States he had all the freedom 0:07:43.440 --> 0:07:47.760 to contact her and look for her. However, that Georgia 0:07:47.840 --> 0:07:51.920 address was the only clue that this improvised detective had. 0:07:52.640 --> 0:07:55.920 Locating Los Matti was like finding a needle in a haystack. 0:07:56.880 --> 0:08:00.560 Beto decided to follow other leads that would reveal much 0:08:00.640 --> 0:08:06.240 darker issues about the recent past in Colombia. He wondered 0:08:06.480 --> 0:08:13.000 day by day, night after night. Where is LUs Maria Roleta. 0:08:13.640 --> 0:08:16.120 Why did she block him when he tried to contact her? 0:08:16.920 --> 0:08:19.560 How could he find her? Why did she do it? 0:08:20.200 --> 0:08:24.120 Did she act alone? And if not? Who ordered the 0:08:24.240 --> 0:08:35.880 killing of his father? This is Transportista who murdered Captain 0:08:35.920 --> 0:08:56.440 Corral Episode six, The Black Box Better knew that LUs 0:08:56.440 --> 0:08:59.840 Maria Roleta was alive, and he believed that she recited 0:09:00.040 --> 0:09:03.079 in the United States, but he had no more information. 0:09:04.360 --> 0:09:06.839 What he had was a hunch that kept him awake 0:09:06.880 --> 0:09:10.160 at night. Betta was sure that los mari had not 0:09:10.440 --> 0:09:11.520 acted alone. 0:09:12.040 --> 0:09:17.800 Then Troo rumores se comenta lepico rastri. 0:09:18.120 --> 0:09:21.240 It's rumor that agent lous Maria Bola Maso saw my 0:09:21.360 --> 0:09:24.840 dad out. The prosecutor said that himself. I don't know 0:09:24.880 --> 0:09:27.880 what selling out means in Mexico or the United States, 0:09:28.000 --> 0:09:31.080 but in Colombia it means to betray, hand over, or 0:09:31.160 --> 0:09:34.440 sell someone out. But the prosecutor frames it as a rumor, 0:09:34.720 --> 0:09:35.880 not as a testimony. 0:09:36.559 --> 0:09:40.640 The prosecutor Vetto refers to was the judicial investigator in 0:09:40.720 --> 0:09:44.640 charge of the case, Eduardo Santa Cruz. This was concluded 0:09:44.760 --> 0:09:47.560 in the report Joe Ques. 0:09:50.640 --> 0:09:53.000 So it's one thing for me to talk about that rumor, 0:09:53.320 --> 0:09:55.960 but for an investigator to say that means agent lous 0:09:56.000 --> 0:09:59.360 Maria sold out my dad, I mean she handed him over. 0:10:00.080 --> 0:10:03.199 The case file is not a short document. It's one 0:10:03.320 --> 0:10:07.440 hundred and forty pages typed. Much of it is difficult 0:10:07.440 --> 0:10:11.240 to read in the typical, dry and convoluted language. That 0:10:11.440 --> 0:10:15.360 makes them so particular. After reviewing it, I was also 0:10:15.400 --> 0:10:21.520 surprised in the report. It reads and I quote within 0:10:21.559 --> 0:10:25.560 the rumors, it is said that agentlus Mario roleta sold 0:10:25.600 --> 0:10:30.040 out officer called al Cabajero, but she herself says that 0:10:30.080 --> 0:10:32.640 her superiors cleared her of all. 0:10:32.520 --> 0:10:37.920 Blame in casilcumstance. Yes, aikiprintreso a la fiskalia. 0:10:38.040 --> 0:10:40.959 How can you ask that of the Prosecutor's office under 0:10:40.960 --> 0:10:45.280 what circumstances? And the report concludes by saying, in this way, 0:10:45.440 --> 0:10:48.640 I hereby submit this report for the purposes that his 0:10:48.760 --> 0:10:52.760 office deems appropriate. Just a sponsious pilot did when he 0:10:53.000 --> 0:10:56.280 washed his hands, he cleared a man who had never stolen, 0:10:56.440 --> 0:10:59.640 killed or done anything wrong. Un warned that you had 0:10:59.640 --> 0:11:02.360 to choose between a man who had indeed committed murder, 0:11:02.679 --> 0:11:06.800 but that the decision was yours. That's what Prosecutor Eduardo 0:11:06.880 --> 0:11:10.839 Santa Cruz and therefore Prosecution Office number one to treat it. 0:11:11.400 --> 0:11:16.360 On January twelfth, nineteen ninety five, they stupidly, ridiculously and 0:11:16.440 --> 0:11:19.200 absurdly decided to close my dad's case. 0:11:23.280 --> 0:11:26.600 If Lousmari had betrayed Captain Corral, then it was clear 0:11:26.720 --> 0:11:29.760 that she didn't tac the loan. She acted on someone 0:11:29.800 --> 0:11:34.400 else's orders. It was a criminal network. Beto had to 0:11:34.440 --> 0:11:43.160 investigate who they were. Beto Correl looked at what the 0:11:43.200 --> 0:11:48.079 prosecution didn't investigate. They archived the case eight months after 0:11:48.120 --> 0:11:51.160 the incident, when they could still do something to prevent 0:11:51.240 --> 0:11:57.240 the murder from going unpunished. After the case was closed, 0:11:57.520 --> 0:12:00.920 twenty years went by and the crime passed the Statute 0:12:00.960 --> 0:12:05.440 of Limitations, and so Beto's hopes of finding justice for 0:12:05.520 --> 0:12:09.760 his father's case came to an end. When I traveled 0:12:09.760 --> 0:12:12.960 to Colombia to do the interviews for this project, I 0:12:13.000 --> 0:12:16.600 went to Medigin, where Captain Corral was murdered so many 0:12:16.720 --> 0:12:20.320 years ago. There in a beautiful courtyard of one of 0:12:20.320 --> 0:12:24.800 the dozens universities in the city, I talked to Catalina Sanchezzcovar. 0:12:25.840 --> 0:12:30.640 So it does Ento Universitaria Lata Dericho Dela University at 0:12:30.640 --> 0:12:32.600 Pontificio Oligin. 0:12:33.200 --> 0:12:37.199 I am a university professor at the Pontifical Olivarian University 0:12:37.280 --> 0:12:40.640 School of Law in medigan. I am also the former 0:12:40.720 --> 0:12:44.160 director of the Memory House Museum in the city of Medigin. 0:12:44.760 --> 0:12:49.600 Catalina's scholar with experiences, supporting victims and clarifying the truth 0:12:49.720 --> 0:12:52.880 of the armed conflict in Columbia. I told her about 0:12:52.960 --> 0:12:57.120 Captain Corral's case, about Beto's search for justice, and about 0:12:57.160 --> 0:13:02.640 how the prosecution didn't investigate much further there into his murders. 0:13:02.640 --> 0:13:08.120 Okay, to a brand Maas, I believe. 0:13:07.920 --> 0:13:11.400 What you're referring to is what are now known as 0:13:11.559 --> 0:13:15.640 black boxes. These are a series of events and circumstances 0:13:15.920 --> 0:13:19.559 that we so happened but cannot explain you to information 0:13:19.720 --> 0:13:20.240 we don't. 0:13:20.160 --> 0:13:24.560 Have hidden, like how that file was kept for twenty 0:13:24.679 --> 0:13:25.360 seven years. 0:13:25.600 --> 0:13:30.559 It's again whilegun institution on dna ESA informa. 0:13:33.760 --> 0:13:37.359 It's called a black box when an individual or institution 0:13:37.640 --> 0:13:41.760 holds information needed to find links to and understand what 0:13:42.040 --> 0:13:46.040 has happened, for instance, what was the cause of death? 0:13:46.440 --> 0:13:50.400 Are these events linked or is this an unrelated incident 0:13:51.400 --> 0:13:54.600 like they say in movies, make it look like an accident. 0:13:55.520 --> 0:13:59.920 Colombia owes a massive debt to its history, and it's. 0:13:59.800 --> 0:14:04.840 Thevictims, victims like Beto and his family, who are still 0:14:04.920 --> 0:14:10.280 searching for the truth, even almost thirty years later. That 0:14:10.480 --> 0:14:13.280 file rebuilt a lot to veto, but it has only 0:14:13.360 --> 0:14:18.199 been his own investigations and conclusions. Nothing has been clarified officially. 0:14:20.160 --> 0:14:24.280 Okay, okay, Naska hasnigras in us Ristoria, in US memorial. 0:14:24.760 --> 0:14:27.480 There are black boxes that we don't have. There is 0:14:27.560 --> 0:14:30.360 an unwillingness to let people know the truth because it 0:14:30.440 --> 0:14:34.800 could be probably compromised integrity of the institutions within the country. 0:14:37.520 --> 0:14:41.960 Let's go through Catalina's reflection. If these black boxes, as 0:14:42.000 --> 0:14:45.120 she calls them, were opened, the structures of the state 0:14:45.360 --> 0:14:50.160 could be compromised. What kind of institutions or people could 0:14:50.200 --> 0:14:54.280 be compromised if the whole truth behind Captain Kolz murdered 0:14:54.760 --> 0:15:01.000 was revealed. Remember that los Maria Roleta as a police officer. 0:15:01.360 --> 0:15:05.640 She was part of the Colombian state. When I investigated this. 0:15:06.120 --> 0:15:09.040 In one of my conversations with Veto, I asked him 0:15:09.080 --> 0:15:18.320 something that I considered essential. He called Chris cayas motivos. Okay, 0:15:18.840 --> 0:15:22.040 and and what do you think was the motive? Why 0:15:22.120 --> 0:15:24.480 do you think someone would want to kill your father, 0:15:25.040 --> 0:15:28.040 whether it was her or the assailants. 0:15:29.360 --> 0:15:30.160 A party the. 0:15:31.680 --> 0:15:35.880 De Las Well, my father, apart from being one of 0:15:35.920 --> 0:15:38.280 the heads of the search blog that killed Pablos Cobar, 0:15:38.720 --> 0:15:41.600 was an honest officer. He was an officer dedicated to 0:15:41.680 --> 0:15:44.840 his institution anes not only within the Search block, but 0:15:44.920 --> 0:15:47.720 also as director of the Anti Narcotics chief at the 0:15:47.840 --> 0:15:49.320 Eldorado Airport in Bogota. 0:15:51.400 --> 0:15:54.800 Remember that Captain Koral, while working at the airport in 0:15:54.880 --> 0:15:59.440 the capital of his country, seized several packages with hidden drugs. 0:15:59.360 --> 0:16:01.400 And he said, oh Kjo. 0:16:03.400 --> 0:16:06.560 In that incident, my dad's superior officer got called for 0:16:06.600 --> 0:16:08.800 allowing the pilots to travel with cocaine. 0:16:09.200 --> 0:16:12.800 With these investigations, he gained a reputation, as they say 0:16:12.840 --> 0:16:17.160 in Colombia, of being a rat or an informant. According 0:16:17.200 --> 0:16:20.000 to Veto, Captain Corral was threatened with death for these 0:16:20.080 --> 0:16:23.240 acts and later when he joined the Search block. 0:16:24.600 --> 0:16:29.680 Then trial. Within the search block, there were many acts 0:16:29.720 --> 0:16:32.520 of corruption. My dad was part of the Search block, 0:16:32.600 --> 0:16:35.360 but he was part of the uniform search block. He said, 0:16:35.400 --> 0:16:38.160 it was like the ones we saw on TV wearing 0:16:38.200 --> 0:16:39.320 a green olive. 0:16:39.080 --> 0:16:42.080 Had the members of the search block with the beret, 0:16:42.520 --> 0:16:45.880 that is, those who wore an olive green cap. Captain 0:16:45.920 --> 0:16:50.280 Corral was fully uniform and identified, unlike other members of 0:16:50.360 --> 0:16:54.240 the Search block who worked undercover dressed in civilian clothes. 0:16:57.000 --> 0:17:00.600 There are accusations that link some of these undercover agents 0:17:00.760 --> 0:17:05.159 with abuses against the civil population that reached extreme points. 0:17:05.840 --> 0:17:10.119 There were massacres and extra judicial executions in Medijin at 0:17:10.160 --> 0:17:14.120 that time. One of them known as the Oporto massacre. 0:17:15.840 --> 0:17:20.560 Una Masakremoi dolorosa, a very painful massacre. More than twenty 0:17:20.600 --> 0:17:23.320 two young people were massacred in an instant. 0:17:25.400 --> 0:17:28.760 An armed commando interrupted a night of drinking in a 0:17:28.920 --> 0:17:34.240 well known bar in the city of Medijin called the Porto. Ultimately, 0:17:34.600 --> 0:17:38.560 more than twenty people were killed. There are still several 0:17:38.720 --> 0:17:41.959 theories about who the killers were. It could have been 0:17:42.040 --> 0:17:45.760 Pablo Escobar's people, but there were those who believed there 0:17:45.760 --> 0:17:49.639 were state agents avenging colleagues who had fallen due to 0:17:49.760 --> 0:17:54.560 drug trafficking. But that massacre was not the only. 0:17:54.480 --> 0:17:56.360 One comments massacre. 0:17:57.280 --> 0:18:00.600 They committed another massacre of five children in an neighborhood 0:18:00.600 --> 0:18:02.800 in Medijan in nineteen ninety two. 0:18:03.320 --> 0:18:07.879 The Vigatina massacre on November fifteenth, nineteen ninety two, and 0:18:08.000 --> 0:18:13.000 it wasn't five dead but nine. That night, a group 0:18:13.040 --> 0:18:17.320 of teenagers were gathered after attending mass when twelve members 0:18:17.359 --> 0:18:20.560 of the police arrived, hooted and fired at them. 0:18:22.600 --> 0:18:26.400 Patriiana's Kagiate Medjini Jiagavana los Barrios. 0:18:26.400 --> 0:18:29.879 In they patrolled the streets of Medagine and arrived in 0:18:29.920 --> 0:18:33.359 the neighborhoods and killed the young people simply because they 0:18:33.440 --> 0:18:34.439 suspected something. 0:18:35.160 --> 0:18:39.680 Four years after the Vijatina massacre, under pressure from activists 0:18:39.840 --> 0:18:43.000 led by the mothers of the deceased, the Inter American 0:18:43.040 --> 0:18:47.000 Commission on Human Rights held the Colombian state responsible for 0:18:47.119 --> 0:18:52.000 the massacre. Two years later, the government accepted responsibility and 0:18:52.200 --> 0:18:56.399 dismissed the police officers who were involved in the shooting. However, 0:18:56.760 --> 0:19:00.480 to this day, those responsible have not been brought to justice. 0:19:03.840 --> 0:19:06.600 In the early nineties, during the witch hunt to find 0:19:06.680 --> 0:19:11.080 Paulos Cobar, members of the police and army committed atrocities 0:19:11.160 --> 0:19:15.400 against innocent citizens. These are some of the painful memories 0:19:15.480 --> 0:19:18.560 of the armed conflict in Columbia, a conflict full of 0:19:18.800 --> 0:19:24.840 black boxes. These black boxes could compromise a prestige of 0:19:24.960 --> 0:19:28.400 state institutions because it has been proven that they were 0:19:28.480 --> 0:19:34.919 linked to paramilitary groups Luego and Nero Melos. 0:19:35.840 --> 0:19:39.600 Then, in January nineteen ninety three, there were the Pepes 0:19:40.400 --> 0:19:44.600 Los pepes, an acronym for persecuted by pablos Kvar. 0:19:45.440 --> 0:19:48.240 They were a group of active members of the Medaging 0:19:48.320 --> 0:19:51.760 cartel who deserted their leader to join the other side 0:19:51.920 --> 0:19:56.240 and begin collaborating with the Search Block to hand over Pabloskvar. 0:20:01.000 --> 0:20:04.879 Los Pepes also included members of the rival cartel, the 0:20:05.040 --> 0:20:09.320 Cali Cartel, and the paramilitary group Auto Defensas del Magdalena 0:20:09.400 --> 0:20:14.239 Medio among the ranks. This group of criminals cooperated by 0:20:14.359 --> 0:20:18.760 sharing intelligence with the Search Block. According to the classified 0:20:18.920 --> 0:20:23.480 DEA documents, US authorities met with the then Attorney General 0:20:23.560 --> 0:20:27.280 of Colombia in nineteen ninety three. In the meeting, they 0:20:27.359 --> 0:20:30.480 provided evidence that high ranking members of the Search Block 0:20:30.640 --> 0:20:35.200 were involved in bribes, drug trafficking, human rights abuses, and 0:20:35.359 --> 0:20:42.920 possible murders. Colombia Attorney General Gustavo de griff told the 0:20:43.119 --> 0:20:47.040 US embassy that relations with Los Pepes had gone too 0:20:47.280 --> 0:20:50.840 far and that they themselves, not the police, were making 0:20:50.920 --> 0:20:52.520 decisions for the Search Block. 0:20:54.359 --> 0:20:59.040 Yes, I don't know you, it's los Que. There was 0:20:59.080 --> 0:21:01.800 a division within the Search block with those who patrol 0:21:01.880 --> 0:21:05.520 with lost peppers, those who carried out operations with lost peppers. 0:21:06.119 --> 0:21:08.640 I know that my father did not agree with that situation. 0:21:09.240 --> 0:21:11.760 I don't have proved that my father reported any of them, 0:21:12.200 --> 0:21:14.840 but I talked to many witnesses from that time who 0:21:14.920 --> 0:21:18.119 were afraid to testify, and my father was considered an 0:21:18.160 --> 0:21:19.760 intruder within the search block. 0:21:20.840 --> 0:21:24.520 Thus, according to Beto, Captain Umberto Carrel was labeled as 0:21:24.560 --> 0:21:29.159 a rat, and he made a powerful enemy within the 0:21:29.240 --> 0:21:33.520 Search block, a colleague with whom he did not get 0:21:33.560 --> 0:21:37.399 along at all, A figure whose shadow still darkens the 0:21:37.600 --> 0:21:41.960 history of Columbia today, A man whose steps to Columbian 0:21:42.080 --> 0:21:45.560 society in the form of secrets are hidden in one 0:21:45.600 --> 0:21:53.160 of these black boxes. Will be back with more after 0:21:53.280 --> 0:21:53.960 the break. 0:22:00.200 --> 0:22:00.360 Hm. 0:22:15.520 --> 0:22:18.800 As Better grew up, he understood that Captain Correll was 0:22:18.920 --> 0:22:22.840 investigating his own colleagues who were involved with outlaw groups 0:22:23.040 --> 0:22:24.600 such as Los Peppes. 0:22:27.160 --> 0:22:30.119 Because my dad came from a d i j i 0:22:30.440 --> 0:22:31.240 N formation. 0:22:31.800 --> 0:22:35.159 As we mentioned in the third episode formerly. 0:22:37.320 --> 0:22:40.359 Intelligension, those cases investigals prop policy. 0:22:40.680 --> 0:22:44.440 The d i j i N was the police counter intelligence. 0:22:44.920 --> 0:22:48.240 They investigate their own police officers, and they believe that 0:22:48.359 --> 0:22:51.240 my dad was in the search blood to write on people. 0:22:51.760 --> 0:22:54.719 But my dad seeing all those abuses they committed, all 0:22:54.760 --> 0:22:57.560 those crimes they committed, even killing their own. 0:22:57.440 --> 0:23:03.560 Colleagues because members of the search Blog were accused of 0:23:03.720 --> 0:23:04.760 something serious. 0:23:06.560 --> 0:23:12.280 El caste porstenante la policia que fetestigo the unamasakre Comtiano. 0:23:12.760 --> 0:23:16.520 The case of Lieutenant Porus, a police lieutenant who witnessed 0:23:16.560 --> 0:23:19.600 a massacre committed in Metagin by the Search Blog. He 0:23:19.800 --> 0:23:22.800 reported his own colleagues and they set him up by 0:23:22.880 --> 0:23:25.520 planting a weapon in his vehicle. They take him to 0:23:25.600 --> 0:23:28.960 court and put him in jail. The lieutenant escapes from jail, 0:23:29.200 --> 0:23:32.080 but in the end the Search Blog ended up killing him. 0:23:34.880 --> 0:23:37.800 Like Captain carl did. At the time, Lieutenant nest To 0:23:37.960 --> 0:23:42.240 Duardo Porras had reported corrupt behavior by other police officers 0:23:42.440 --> 0:23:46.040 and he was killed on January twenty ninth, nineteen ninety 0:23:46.080 --> 0:23:52.000 one in Bojaca. The National Police of Colombia at that 0:23:52.160 --> 0:23:58.840 time was infiltrated by different criminal groups. One of the 0:23:58.920 --> 0:24:02.040 members of the search Blog who collaborated with Los Peppes 0:24:02.440 --> 0:24:05.440 is the same one who claims to have shot Pauloskar. 0:24:06.160 --> 0:24:16.639 His name Ugo Aguilar Naranjo. Ugaghilaire led the operation on 0:24:16.760 --> 0:24:20.720 the days Coolar was taken down. He was the operational 0:24:20.840 --> 0:24:24.240 commander of the search block. Perhaps you have seen a 0:24:24.280 --> 0:24:27.840 famous photograph of him. It was taken on December two, 0:24:28.160 --> 0:24:31.840 nineteen ninety three. He appears standing on a roof in 0:24:31.920 --> 0:24:36.160 Medigin with a gun in his hand, smiling with a mustache, 0:24:36.400 --> 0:24:39.640 holding the shirt of the lifeless body of the drug lord. 0:24:43.960 --> 0:24:47.359 As stated in the d class if Ida document mentioned 0:24:47.359 --> 0:24:50.480 a few moments ago, the top leaders of the search block, 0:24:50.760 --> 0:24:54.600 such as Ugaguilaire, had gone too far into the relationship 0:24:54.720 --> 0:25:01.240 with Los Peppes. Captain Corral and Ugagilare were colleagues, but 0:25:01.560 --> 0:25:04.600 according to Veto, they had their differences. 0:25:05.400 --> 0:25:07.240 And Majoragillar no kara. 0:25:09.920 --> 0:25:13.199 Major Ugagillar did not like my dad. He was an 0:25:13.320 --> 0:25:16.680 envious guy. Even in his own statements. He admitted to 0:25:16.760 --> 0:25:19.240 threatening a woman with rape, put in a bomb in 0:25:19.320 --> 0:25:23.720 Pablos Kobar's family's house to frame someone. He admits to crimes. 0:25:23.920 --> 0:25:27.080 He admits to meetings with those peppers. My dad didn't 0:25:27.160 --> 0:25:30.560 like Ugagilar and Uguagillar didn't like my dad either. 0:25:30.720 --> 0:25:33.960 And according to Beto, based on what he had discussed 0:25:34.000 --> 0:25:37.320 with his mom, my Papa star Completement said, well, okay. 0:25:39.880 --> 0:25:42.720 My dad was sure that he was surrounded by corruption 0:25:43.400 --> 0:25:47.359 by criminal police officers. Those were the people who killed 0:25:47.480 --> 0:25:48.280 Pablo's Kobar. 0:25:50.520 --> 0:25:53.760 Despite the corrupt practices of members of the Search Block 0:25:53.880 --> 0:25:56.960 and their alliances with groups like ths Peppers being public, 0:25:57.440 --> 0:26:01.720 they did not have judicial repercussions. In Cologne. Many have 0:26:01.880 --> 0:26:05.960 conducted investigations into this to prevent them from falling into 0:26:06.080 --> 0:26:06.960 impunity and. 0:26:07.000 --> 0:26:08.159 Only Rooky public. 0:26:09.960 --> 0:26:14.479 Mascaran I published a book called Unmasking a Man who 0:26:14.600 --> 0:26:15.760 killed Pablo Escobar. 0:26:16.119 --> 0:26:20.240 He is Juliosesar Prieto, a retired colonel from the Columbian Army. 0:26:20.880 --> 0:26:24.679 In twenty seventeen, he published a book about Ua Hiller 0:26:24.840 --> 0:26:30.640 and how he managed to track down Publio Scoar as 0:26:30.680 --> 0:26:34.560 it rained outside, which often happens in Bota. I talked 0:26:34.560 --> 0:26:37.439 to him in his apartment, a modest home in an 0:26:37.480 --> 0:26:43.399 affluent neighborhood of the capitol. Julius Prieto is not just 0:26:43.640 --> 0:26:48.400 any writer interested in the relationship between politics and paramilitarism. 0:26:49.080 --> 0:26:52.240 Prieto is described as the only officer in the history 0:26:52.280 --> 0:26:56.280 of the Colombian Army and police who, while still in service, 0:26:56.600 --> 0:27:00.800 denounced and demonstrated the links between recognized figures in the 0:27:00.920 --> 0:27:05.399 politics of his country with terrorist organizations. 0:27:06.440 --> 0:27:18.000 Correstamente conformado. It was my job to search for the 0:27:18.080 --> 0:27:20.280 truth and I was able to show that the Search 0:27:20.359 --> 0:27:23.359 Block in the national government had actually formed an allyship 0:27:23.640 --> 0:27:27.040 with both the drug traffickers and the so called paramilitaries 0:27:27.200 --> 0:27:31.280 to achieve the objective of locating Pablo Escobar and killing him. 0:27:35.640 --> 0:27:39.480 And let's remember, finishing Pablos Kovard was not an easy task. 0:27:40.000 --> 0:27:43.200 He was a powerful drug lord who wreaked havoc on 0:27:43.440 --> 0:27:47.400 all the institutions of Colombia. People were terrified of him. 0:27:48.680 --> 0:27:51.920 That's why the man who brought down Eskovar himself was 0:27:52.119 --> 0:27:57.480 celebrated and appreciated by many Colombians, and so figures like 0:27:57.600 --> 0:28:02.080 Google Ilere went from being policemen to politicians. 0:28:05.720 --> 0:28:06.440 In Courcia. 0:28:06.560 --> 0:28:11.000 In Scheuebartamento and Santandero, Aguilaid retired from the National Police, 0:28:11.080 --> 0:28:13.600 he entered into politics. He ran to be an assembly 0:28:13.640 --> 0:28:16.880 member in Santandel. He becomes a councilman, but he didn't 0:28:16.880 --> 0:28:19.840 even finish his term before running for the governorship of Santander. 0:28:22.720 --> 0:28:26.440