WEBVTT - Bengals Booth Podcast: Smooth Operator 0:00:03.600 --> 0:00:06.480 Hi, get everybody. I'm Dan Horde and thanks for downloading 0:00:06.480 --> 0:00:13.720 the Bengals Booth Podcast. The Smooth Operator addition is Dave 0:00:13.760 --> 0:00:16.960 Lapham joins me to discuss the selection of Joe Burrow 0:00:17.120 --> 0:00:20.440 number one overall in the NFL Draft, and look ahead 0:00:20.520 --> 0:00:23.079 to Round two and the players that are still available 0:00:23.400 --> 0:00:29.040 for Cincinnati. Plus my conversation with boomerasiasin as the last 0:00:29.120 --> 0:00:32.400 quarterback to lead the Bengals to the super Bowl, discusses 0:00:32.400 --> 0:00:35.240 the QB that we all hope will be the next 0:00:35.320 --> 0:00:38.479 quarterback to lead the Bengals to the super Bowl. The 0:00:38.520 --> 0:00:42.280 Bengals Booth Podcast is presented by Prime Sport, the official fan, 0:00:42.440 --> 0:00:46.920 travel and hospitality partner of the Cincinnati Bengals. 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I'm looking forward to indulging again during the 0:01:35.319 --> 0:01:38.640 second night of the draft. Now time for my conversation 0:01:38.680 --> 0:01:41.880 with Dave Lapham, as he joined me moments after round 0:01:41.959 --> 0:01:45.000 one ended. Lap We had the opportunity to take part 0:01:45.080 --> 0:01:48.200 in a virtual news conference with Joe Burrow a little 0:01:48.200 --> 0:01:51.560 while after he was drafted number one overall by Cincinnati, 0:01:51.600 --> 0:01:54.880 and I was reminded of his meeting with the Bengals 0:01:55.000 --> 0:01:57.720 at the scouting combine when one person in the room 0:01:57.800 --> 0:02:00.520 said it was the best one of those reviews they 0:02:00.520 --> 0:02:03.680 had ever taken part with in I felt the same 0:02:03.720 --> 0:02:07.680 way watching his news conference with Cincinnati area reporters. You 0:02:07.800 --> 0:02:14.160 talk about impressive. He answered every question perfectly. He did, 0:02:14.200 --> 0:02:16.720 and uh, you know, I went to the combine for 0:02:16.800 --> 0:02:21.760 his press conference there same thing. I mean he I 0:02:21.800 --> 0:02:24.440 asked him, what what do you think your strength is? 0:02:25.120 --> 0:02:31.280 And he sat leadership, rallying people. He has innate people skills. 0:02:31.520 --> 0:02:33.280 You know. I mean, he's just one of those guys 0:02:33.800 --> 0:02:37.800 that gets it. He just people. People are gonna gravitate 0:02:37.840 --> 0:02:41.880 toward him, They're gonna believe in him. Is he's special. 0:02:42.000 --> 0:02:45.600 He is extremely special. And uh seen him twice now 0:02:46.120 --> 0:02:48.959 and in both times not just a home run, a 0:02:49.080 --> 0:02:53.360 grand salami. I mean, he just he's something else. And 0:02:53.440 --> 0:02:56.320 by the time he talked to Cincinnati area reporters, he 0:02:56.360 --> 0:02:58.760 had probably done a million interviews. He was on a 0:02:58.880 --> 0:03:02.440 national report. I'm sure he did a news conference with 0:03:02.520 --> 0:03:04.839 the big wig, so to speak. So by the time 0:03:04.840 --> 0:03:07.160 he got around to all of us, he had to 0:03:07.200 --> 0:03:10.480 be a little bit mentally fried. And yet he turned 0:03:10.520 --> 0:03:14.160 it on, recognizing that this was going to be the 0:03:14.160 --> 0:03:16.919 first impression that he made with people who'll be dealing 0:03:16.960 --> 0:03:19.760 with on a regular basis, his first impression with many 0:03:19.800 --> 0:03:23.000 Cincinnati fans, and those are the kinds of things you 0:03:23.120 --> 0:03:26.400 have to do if you are in that spot. There's 0:03:26.440 --> 0:03:30.040 no doubt. I mean, I think you know, he's he 0:03:30.080 --> 0:03:32.720 grew up around the game, and you know, I'm sure 0:03:32.720 --> 0:03:35.560 he's heard his dad talk about you know, guys have 0:03:35.680 --> 0:03:38.920 handled themselves well and guys that didn't, and lessons to 0:03:39.000 --> 0:03:41.840 be learned from that. And and he I just think 0:03:41.840 --> 0:03:46.960 that his personality is that though I don't think he 0:03:47.440 --> 0:03:50.200 never has to put on any time of false air 0:03:50.720 --> 0:03:52.960 or anything else. All he has to be is Joe Burrow. 0:03:53.440 --> 0:03:56.560 And I mean it's it's just like I said before, 0:03:57.240 --> 0:03:59.800 his teammates at Ohio State. I think the world of 0:04:00.120 --> 0:04:02.200 his teammates in high school. Think the world of them. 0:04:02.280 --> 0:04:05.560 You know, when when college kids travel to the national 0:04:05.680 --> 0:04:08.320 championship game in their own time to watch your old 0:04:08.320 --> 0:04:11.960 teammate win a national championship. That speaks volumes and uh, 0:04:12.120 --> 0:04:15.400 you know he impacts people. Uh and and I think 0:04:15.400 --> 0:04:17.680 you know he's gonna be when when you look at it, Dan, 0:04:17.960 --> 0:04:19.880 he's twenty three years old. He's not He's not like 0:04:19.920 --> 0:04:22.240 a twenty year old kid, you know, coming into the 0:04:22.320 --> 0:04:24.640 National Football League. It's not like a twenty year old 0:04:24.680 --> 0:04:26.240 kid was going to a huddle with a bunch of 0:04:26.279 --> 0:04:29.800 thirty year old guys. He's twenty three years old, and 0:04:29.960 --> 0:04:33.000 the team, all these guys they signed in free agency, 0:04:33.440 --> 0:04:36.440 you know, are into just finishing their first contracts. So 0:04:36.880 --> 0:04:38.359 you know a lot of them are in their you know, 0:04:38.400 --> 0:04:40.560 mid to late twenties themselves. I mean, it's not like 0:04:41.160 --> 0:04:43.919 he's gonna you know, he's gonna be dealing with a 0:04:44.000 --> 0:04:47.600 bunch of you know, crusty, old veteran guys. Now he 0:04:47.720 --> 0:04:49.719 still has to prove himself. I mean, he's he's the 0:04:49.760 --> 0:04:52.440 new guy, he's the young buck. But you know, I 0:04:52.440 --> 0:04:55.159 don't I don't think he's gonna have any difficulty whatsoever 0:04:55.920 --> 0:05:00.160 um being the leader of the pack. I think that's 0:05:00.160 --> 0:05:02.839 going to come very naturally and very easily to him. 0:05:02.440 --> 0:05:04.040 And I think he's going to do a hell of 0:05:04.040 --> 0:05:07.320 a job. He was so good. He even nailed the 0:05:07.400 --> 0:05:12.280 question about Cincinnati style chili, which he famously blasted in 0:05:12.360 --> 0:05:14.720 an interview a year or two ago whenever that was, 0:05:15.160 --> 0:05:17.440 And when asked about it again today, he said, you 0:05:17.520 --> 0:05:20.480 know what, I have to give it another try. Maybe 0:05:20.480 --> 0:05:25.120 my taste buds have changed. That is a great answer 0:05:25.160 --> 0:05:27.880 for that question. It is. And you know, and I 0:05:27.920 --> 0:05:30.480 asked him about Andy Dalton, you know, and and I 0:05:30.560 --> 0:05:34.080 thought he handled that perfectly, because that's that's going to 0:05:34.120 --> 0:05:37.080 be an awkward situation for both really, but they're both 0:05:37.120 --> 0:05:39.240 cut from the same cloth in terms of the type 0:05:39.240 --> 0:05:42.200 of human being they are, so I don't anticipate, you know, 0:05:42.240 --> 0:05:45.479 any issue there. In fact, you know, Andy and Joe 0:05:45.480 --> 0:05:47.960 Burrow have to interact whatsoever. And I think he handled 0:05:48.000 --> 0:05:50.360 that well. He said, you know, I have no trouble 0:05:51.360 --> 0:05:55.039 with Andy Dalton in the quarterback room with you know, 0:05:55.160 --> 0:05:57.560 having a veteran guy to lean on, or I have 0:05:57.640 --> 0:05:59.320 no problem at all if that's not the case, and 0:05:59.480 --> 0:06:01.760 it's a bunch of young guys in the quarterback room, 0:06:01.800 --> 0:06:04.800 and I'll handle that as well. And I think that's 0:06:04.920 --> 0:06:07.760 that's the thing that you know people are talking about. 0:06:08.520 --> 0:06:12.640 Is it swagger? Is it earned confidence? Like you know, 0:06:12.720 --> 0:06:17.239 like Zach was categorizing it. He does have one needed 0:06:17.240 --> 0:06:20.440 He definitely has an edge, But bottom line is he 0:06:20.520 --> 0:06:26.200 has supreme, I mean uber supreme people skills. He really 0:06:26.240 --> 0:06:29.000 does at a very young age. It's it's incredible to watch. 0:06:29.279 --> 0:06:31.839 So before we had the opportunity to talk to Joe Burrow, 0:06:31.920 --> 0:06:34.800 we did talk to Zach Taylor and also offensive coordinator 0:06:34.800 --> 0:06:38.680 Brian Callahan. What stood out from their media sessions with 0:06:38.839 --> 0:06:44.239 Cincinnati reporters. His effectiveness, you know, under pressure is something 0:06:44.320 --> 0:06:47.760 that one pressure was something that the coaching staff took 0:06:47.839 --> 0:06:50.120 note of. I think there is no no question about that. 0:06:50.480 --> 0:06:52.080 I do think they feel they're going to be able 0:06:52.080 --> 0:06:54.440 to get him up to speed quickly. There's a lot 0:06:54.440 --> 0:06:58.640 of carry over with concepts offensive concepts that Joe Brady 0:06:58.680 --> 0:07:00.760 had installed down there at LA. I mean, like we 0:07:00.839 --> 0:07:03.880 talked about earlier in the week, Dan, you know, this 0:07:03.960 --> 0:07:06.960 is a pro style offense. This but I liked it. 0:07:07.040 --> 0:07:10.920 I liked the term that I heard here um during 0:07:10.960 --> 0:07:15.520 the draft coverage spread and shred Joe Burrow and Joe 0:07:15.560 --> 0:07:19.000 Brady went down to LSU and said, we're gonna put 0:07:19.040 --> 0:07:22.080 five receivers out. There's gonna be five lineman blocking and 0:07:22.240 --> 0:07:23.880 Joe Burrow, you're gonna read it and get the ball 0:07:23.880 --> 0:07:26.760 out of your hand. You're gonna, you know, cite adjust 0:07:26.800 --> 0:07:28.560 the things you need to cite adjust to. You're gonna 0:07:28.600 --> 0:07:32.600 process the information quickly. And he spread those defenses out 0:07:32.680 --> 0:07:35.760 and uh and made them declare some things and shredded them. 0:07:35.880 --> 0:07:39.000 There's no question about it. And he went from his 0:07:39.120 --> 0:07:41.880 junior year they did that like thirty two percent of 0:07:41.920 --> 0:07:44.040 the time. His senior year they did at eighty seven 0:07:44.080 --> 0:07:46.280 percent of the time. And that was the key that 0:07:46.400 --> 0:07:50.239 unlucked Joe Burrow. So there's no question. I think Zach feels, 0:07:50.320 --> 0:07:52.680 you know, pretty good about that. That's what he wants 0:07:52.720 --> 0:07:55.200 to try to do. That's what that's you know, the 0:07:55.240 --> 0:07:58.720 passing game like that with the one back set and 0:07:59.000 --> 0:08:01.680 spreading the field with either tight ends or you know 0:08:01.800 --> 0:08:05.480 multiple a tight end or just all receivers, multiple receivers 0:08:05.960 --> 0:08:08.040 or even you know, going totally empty with the back 0:08:08.080 --> 0:08:11.040 out of the backfield. Uh, you know, in the slot 0:08:11.120 --> 0:08:13.200 or something as well. I mean, he gives him a 0:08:13.240 --> 0:08:15.080 lot of diversity, a lot of ways to attack in 0:08:15.160 --> 0:08:17.880 the passing game. And Joe Burrow can read it out. 0:08:17.960 --> 0:08:21.520 I mean he's uh, he can, he can diagnose. I 0:08:21.560 --> 0:08:24.840 mean he's wired right. That's what Brian Callahan's I thought 0:08:25.200 --> 0:08:28.840 quote quote was interesting, wired right to diagnose the game. Uh, 0:08:28.920 --> 0:08:32.000 he's you know, he's always prepared. And you know I've 0:08:32.200 --> 0:08:36.320 asked him about Okay, there's preparation and then there's you know, uh, 0:08:36.480 --> 0:08:43.080 intelligent preparation and uh and basically efficient preparation. You know 0:08:43.120 --> 0:08:45.200 you can look at tape. And his answer was great 0:08:45.840 --> 0:08:47.839 right up when you asked that. Yeah, he really got 0:08:47.880 --> 0:08:50.880 excited answer that Joe Burrow did. Yeah he did. You know, 0:08:50.920 --> 0:08:53.160 he said, you're right, he said, makes you can watch 0:08:53.240 --> 0:08:56.000 tape for five hours or what you learn, but if 0:08:56.040 --> 0:08:57.679 you do, if you have a system. If you have 0:08:57.760 --> 0:09:00.400 a U you know, a way you going to go 0:09:00.400 --> 0:09:03.400 about breaking down tape and in a process that you're 0:09:03.400 --> 0:09:06.000 going to go through. And he found a process when 0:09:06.000 --> 0:09:09.679 he was at LSU on a daily basis that he 0:09:09.720 --> 0:09:13.160 believes in. And that was something else that that Zach 0:09:13.240 --> 0:09:16.240 talked about as well when they talked to him. You know, 0:09:16.360 --> 0:09:18.760 how did you go about getting ready for football games 0:09:18.760 --> 0:09:21.760 at LSU? And you know went through all of that 0:09:21.840 --> 0:09:24.199 was Zach. He didn't really describe it all with us, 0:09:24.200 --> 0:09:26.200 but he talked about that he had that process, and 0:09:26.600 --> 0:09:30.160 Zach I think obviously signed off on that mentally and said, 0:09:30.120 --> 0:09:31.760 we were expect you to do the same type of 0:09:31.800 --> 0:09:34.360 thing here in Cincinnati. I mean, I think he's a 0:09:34.400 --> 0:09:38.839 competitive learner. You know, he's he's a cutthroat competitor. He's 0:09:38.880 --> 0:09:42.280 a competitive learner. He's a competitive problem solver when things 0:09:42.280 --> 0:09:45.200 break down on the field. I mean, he's he's going 0:09:45.240 --> 0:09:48.080 to be a lot of fun. I think for the coaches, 0:09:48.920 --> 0:09:51.280 it's gonna be like I remember talking to Tom Moore 0:09:51.720 --> 0:09:54.760 who's now with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. You know he's 0:09:54.760 --> 0:09:57.440 down there working with Tom Brady, but he was he 0:09:57.520 --> 0:10:00.280 was in Indianapolis with Peyton Manning and I up to 0:10:00.280 --> 0:10:03.040 know Tom Moore and his coaching in Pittsburgh, and Tom 0:10:03.080 --> 0:10:06.040 Moore said that Peyton Manning made him a better coach. 0:10:06.440 --> 0:10:10.559 He said, Peyton Manning knew everything inside out and if 0:10:10.600 --> 0:10:13.600 I wasn't on my best, if I wasn't on my toes, 0:10:13.640 --> 0:10:15.600 he said, you know, Peyton was the smartest kid in 0:10:15.600 --> 0:10:18.600 the class, and he'd embarrassed me. So I think I 0:10:18.600 --> 0:10:21.959 think Joe Burrow is gonna he's gonna lift the whole boat. 0:10:22.440 --> 0:10:24.120 I think that's the kind of guy he's going to be. 0:10:24.160 --> 0:10:26.280 I think he's gonna be like Peyton man Tom Brady 0:10:26.360 --> 0:10:28.960 is the same way. You know coaches talk about Tom Brady. 0:10:29.000 --> 0:10:30.920 You're going to a meeting with Tom Brady, man, he's 0:10:30.960 --> 0:10:32.760 gonna have all your eyes, daughter, and all your tea's 0:10:32.800 --> 0:10:35.880 crossed because he'll embarrass you. You know, he'll find something 0:10:35.920 --> 0:10:39.200 that if you if you were lax in an area 0:10:39.320 --> 0:10:42.199 that Tom Brady won't because takes pointed out. And Joe 0:10:42.240 --> 0:10:44.280 Burrow's got that kind of football IQ as well, and 0:10:44.320 --> 0:10:46.679 I think that just makes everybody better. I think it's 0:10:46.679 --> 0:10:49.160 going to be an interesting dynamic to uh, you know, 0:10:49.240 --> 0:10:53.080 to witness with his development here in Cincinnati. You mentioned 0:10:53.080 --> 0:10:57.040 the LSU spread and shred offense, and early in the 0:10:57.080 --> 0:11:00.040 draft process, a lot of people suggested, well made. He 0:11:00.480 --> 0:11:03.720 is the product of Joe Brady's creativity and just about 0:11:03.760 --> 0:11:06.840 anybody could have put up big numbers in that offense. 0:11:07.440 --> 0:11:11.440 Maybe people looked at this backward the whole time. Maybe 0:11:11.480 --> 0:11:15.600 his junior year the offense was so lame that no 0:11:15.720 --> 0:11:20.160 quarterback was going to put up huge numbers. Yeah, I 0:11:20.559 --> 0:11:23.480 think I think that he was. He was in part 0:11:23.520 --> 0:11:27.680 of the transition of I mean, the LSU offense under 0:11:27.760 --> 0:11:31.280 Less Miles, Our kid wasn't the work for it. Prehistoric 0:11:31.760 --> 0:11:34.360 might have been a better description. I mean it was. 0:11:34.800 --> 0:11:37.640 It was. He just thought, you know, Less, I'm going 0:11:37.679 --> 0:11:40.120 to line up with bigger, better people than you. I'm 0:11:40.160 --> 0:11:42.400 not going to try to fool anybody. I'm not gonna 0:11:42.400 --> 0:11:45.040 make it very uh you know, very sexy. I'm just 0:11:45.080 --> 0:11:47.960 gonna try to pound you with the Leonard Fournettes of 0:11:47.960 --> 0:11:51.320 the world or whatever. And Alabam would always smoke him, 0:11:51.360 --> 0:11:54.160 you know, and and uh that coach I was like, 0:11:54.200 --> 0:11:57.080 you know, we're gonna we're gonna change that. Get to 0:11:57.080 --> 0:11:59.679 go get Joe Brady from the New Orleans Saints, incorporate 0:11:59.720 --> 0:12:03.480 some of the NFL style of offense, and he's got 0:12:03.480 --> 0:12:05.959 a very intelligent quarterback that picked it all up. And 0:12:06.360 --> 0:12:10.240 he was surrounded by good talent, obviously, but he was interesting. 0:12:10.240 --> 0:12:12.600 When I asked, Joe, you know, when did you realize 0:12:12.920 --> 0:12:15.680 that you guys might have a special season like he had? 0:12:16.000 --> 0:12:19.400 His answer was interesting. Walking off the field after his 0:12:19.480 --> 0:12:21.520 junior year, walking off the field in the bowl game, 0:12:21.920 --> 0:12:24.720 he said, you know, he felt like they're on their way. 0:12:25.080 --> 0:12:27.320 A lot of guys were returning. He knew how hard 0:12:27.320 --> 0:12:30.000 they were going to work, but you know, he didn't 0:12:30.040 --> 0:12:32.839 he didn't realize that the crude gras was going to 0:12:32.880 --> 0:12:37.199 be Joe Brady and that was you know, that was repellent. 0:12:37.280 --> 0:12:39.600 They needed to take him right to the top. One 0:12:39.640 --> 0:12:41.679 more thought on Joe Burrow before he moved on to 0:12:41.800 --> 0:12:45.000 round two. One other thing that Brian Callahan, the offensive 0:12:45.040 --> 0:12:48.800 coordinator coordinator, said that really caught my ear was that 0:12:48.920 --> 0:12:53.040 he's the most accurate college quarterback he has ever studied. 0:12:53.360 --> 0:12:55.600 The only other person that he mentioned in the same 0:12:55.640 --> 0:12:59.960 breath was Andrew Luck. Not a bad comp no question, 0:13:00.160 --> 0:13:02.560 no question about it. And you know, when you look 0:13:02.600 --> 0:13:05.840 at it Um. It's interesting. You did a great interview 0:13:05.880 --> 0:13:08.960 with Boomers Shias and in Boomers Shias and said that, 0:13:09.440 --> 0:13:11.680 you know, there's some similarities with what you went on 0:13:11.760 --> 0:13:14.520 with Joe Burrow. And when we at Maryland, you know, 0:13:14.559 --> 0:13:17.720 we were running a you know, a veer offense at 0:13:17.760 --> 0:13:21.160 Maryland and it really didn't accentuate my talents. And uh, 0:13:21.280 --> 0:13:23.800 coach Ross comes in and puts in a pro style 0:13:23.840 --> 0:13:26.840 offense and now, I, you know, show the NFL what 0:13:26.920 --> 0:13:29.920 kind of physical abilities I have. Well, same type of 0:13:29.960 --> 0:13:33.440 thing with Joe Burrow, and Joe Brady comes in and boom, 0:13:33.480 --> 0:13:37.120 you know there's and the other great quarterback in Bengalslore 0:13:37.160 --> 0:13:41.480 the two League MVPs Kenny Anderson. The similarities there. Kenny 0:13:41.480 --> 0:13:45.760 Anderson went to Augustana on a basketball scholarship. Kenny Anderson 0:13:45.760 --> 0:13:48.720 and Danish were high school teammates in basketball. Kenny was 0:13:48.800 --> 0:13:52.480 one all of a guard in basketball and he, you know, 0:13:52.520 --> 0:13:56.559 the basketball coach basically said, uh, you know, yeah, you 0:13:56.800 --> 0:13:58.720 can go ahead and try out for football. The football 0:13:58.760 --> 0:14:00.480 coach that you know, we need you here. We heard 0:14:00.480 --> 0:14:03.680 you play quarterback. But his sport was in Joe Burrow 0:14:04.080 --> 0:14:06.880 was All State player of the year in basketball and 0:14:06.960 --> 0:14:09.360 football in high school. And you know he hits this 0:14:09.720 --> 0:14:14.319 in the three point contest during the Peach Bowl against Oklahoma. 0:14:14.760 --> 0:14:17.920 His team's getting smoked. He goes six P six from 0:14:17.920 --> 0:14:21.040 three point land when he shoots to win the thing. 0:14:21.200 --> 0:14:23.800 You know, there's that competitor streak once again in him. 0:14:24.200 --> 0:14:28.960 But Kenny Anderson was an accurate shooter in basketball, accurate passer. 0:14:29.320 --> 0:14:32.880 I mean, you know, see the court in basketball, see 0:14:32.920 --> 0:14:35.080 the field in football. I mean, he's got a lot 0:14:35.120 --> 0:14:38.160 of analogies to two of the greatest quarterbacks that had 0:14:38.200 --> 0:14:41.840 tremendous careers for the Cincinnati Bengals with league MVPs is 0:14:41.920 --> 0:14:44.960 Joe Burrow can come close. That would be great. All right, 0:14:44.960 --> 0:14:47.920 Time to move on to Round two. Our dream linebackers 0:14:47.960 --> 0:14:51.560 are not there. Kenneth Murray went twenty third to the Chargers, 0:14:51.640 --> 0:14:54.880 Patrick Queen went twenty eighth to the Ravens, and the 0:14:54.920 --> 0:14:57.840 guy that you had predicted on yesterday's podcast as a 0:14:57.880 --> 0:15:01.080 possibility to the Bengals for the third third overall pick 0:15:01.400 --> 0:15:05.920 actually went in Round one. Jordan Brooks twenty seventh overall 0:15:06.320 --> 0:15:10.720 to Seattle. So the linebackers at the top of the 0:15:10.720 --> 0:15:16.600 wish list are not there, Zack Bond is along with 0:15:16.680 --> 0:15:20.680 some great players at other positions. Yeah, Zach Bond is there. 0:15:21.160 --> 0:15:23.760 But you know, I think thirty three might be a 0:15:23.760 --> 0:15:26.560 little rich. But the way the run was made, I mean, 0:15:27.400 --> 0:15:31.600 the three picks in a row, Jordan Brooks goes to Seattle, 0:15:31.880 --> 0:15:36.080 Patrick Queen goes to Baltimore, and Isaiah Wilson goes to Tennessee. 0:15:36.360 --> 0:15:39.240 So I'm thinking, all right, well, you know, the run 0:15:39.240 --> 0:15:42.840 on offensive tackles, that was pretty extraordinary. Six offensive tackles 0:15:43.080 --> 0:15:45.720 go in the first round, as many offensive tackles as 0:15:45.760 --> 0:15:49.640 wide receivers. You know, wide receivers supposed to be the deepest, 0:15:49.720 --> 0:15:52.360 one of the deepest positions. Well, six tackles go in 0:15:52.360 --> 0:15:54.920 the first round. What's that tell you? Four quarterbacks go? 0:15:55.240 --> 0:15:58.280 You know, love does go. The Green Bay Packers trade 0:15:58.320 --> 0:16:02.560 to get Love, so that with quarterback went and uh, 0:16:02.920 --> 0:16:06.040 but you know, six receivers and six offensive went only 0:16:06.040 --> 0:16:08.440 one running back the last pick of the U of 0:16:08.560 --> 0:16:12.800 the draft the first round. But yeah, I mean, man, 0:16:12.840 --> 0:16:16.520 the work the runs came at different times, but the 0:16:16.640 --> 0:16:21.080 linebacker position got get hit late on a run. And uh, 0:16:21.200 --> 0:16:24.440 I'm telling you right now, with with Wilson gone, it's 0:16:24.480 --> 0:16:28.640 like all right, who who's loves well? I got Josh 0:16:28.680 --> 0:16:33.000 Jones is there? The only the only knock I have 0:16:33.120 --> 0:16:36.200 on him? In my opinion, he's got short arms, you know, 0:16:36.280 --> 0:16:38.120 for a guy as big and tall as he is, 0:16:38.600 --> 0:16:41.560 he's kind of a little t Rex action. But um, 0:16:41.600 --> 0:16:44.960 you know you look at uh Gross Matos, the edge 0:16:44.960 --> 0:16:46.880 guy from Penn States. There a lot of people had 0:16:46.920 --> 0:16:51.640 him in the first round. Uh Eponenza from Iowa. Uh 0:16:51.800 --> 0:16:54.560 is there Jalen Johnson, the cornerback you talked about Dan 0:16:54.680 --> 0:16:59.360 Jeff Glad he went late. But Chanal Mims Higgins. I mean, 0:16:59.400 --> 0:17:01.760 there's there's a lot of good football players there. But 0:17:01.840 --> 0:17:04.720 I think with all of these guys that are there 0:17:05.320 --> 0:17:09.440 at thirty three, I you know, I say move back. 0:17:10.040 --> 0:17:12.159 I mean, if you have some of these guys, if 0:17:12.200 --> 0:17:14.600 they're on the Bengals list, if you've got a couple, 0:17:14.640 --> 0:17:17.679 you know, a couple of defensive lineman, an offensive lineman 0:17:18.160 --> 0:17:20.800 in three receivers, you know, you feel like there's five 0:17:20.920 --> 0:17:23.200 or six guys that are in the same type of category. 0:17:23.680 --> 0:17:25.840 You have them all kind of bunched up on your board. 0:17:26.320 --> 0:17:30.720 Move back if somebody, if somebody really needs to address 0:17:30.760 --> 0:17:34.439 the position group more than you do particularly like at 0:17:34.480 --> 0:17:37.760 the wide receiver position or whatever whatever your call is, 0:17:38.080 --> 0:17:39.960 and they're going to give you some value and you 0:17:40.000 --> 0:17:43.120 can only go back four picks. You have six or 0:17:43.160 --> 0:17:44.960 five or six guys in your board that you feel 0:17:44.960 --> 0:17:48.720 comfortable with. Make that trade, do that deal. But you 0:17:48.800 --> 0:17:52.840 know where's the partner because you know the quarterback did 0:17:52.880 --> 0:17:56.760 go Love did go, you know, in the twenties to 0:17:56.840 --> 0:18:00.040 the Green Bay Packs the twenty sixth overall pick. So 0:18:00.359 --> 0:18:05.000 who is the person that is when everybody resets their awards, 0:18:05.040 --> 0:18:07.280 like the Bengals are doing right now and trying to 0:18:07.280 --> 0:18:09.240 decide what they're gonna do. They're gonna keep that pick 0:18:09.280 --> 0:18:12.000 at thirty three or are they're gonna try to trade back? 0:18:12.040 --> 0:18:14.600 And you know what kind of phone calls will they 0:18:14.600 --> 0:18:17.480 be getting, if any. So it's going to be interesting 0:18:17.560 --> 0:18:20.439 to see. So you ran off a bunch of names, 0:18:20.440 --> 0:18:22.680 and I wrote down many of the same ones as 0:18:22.680 --> 0:18:26.920 the highest rated players still available. I wrote down four 0:18:26.920 --> 0:18:31.119 wide receivers t Higgins from Clemson, Denzel Mims from Baylor 0:18:31.119 --> 0:18:33.560 who ran a four three eight at six three two 0:18:33.640 --> 0:18:37.240 hundred and five pounds, Laviska Tionalt from Colorado, and Michael 0:18:37.280 --> 0:18:40.760 Pittman from USC A couple of offensive linemans. You mentioned 0:18:40.840 --> 0:18:44.040 Josh Jones six six out of Houston. There's also Ezra 0:18:44.160 --> 0:18:48.560 Cleveland six six out of Boise State. Defensive ends Yetur 0:18:48.680 --> 0:18:51.320 Gross Mattos from Penn State had nine and a half 0:18:51.320 --> 0:18:56.280 sacks last year. Aj Epenessa from Iowa eleven and a 0:18:56.359 --> 0:18:58.679 half sacks last year, ten and a half the year before, 0:18:58.760 --> 0:19:01.440 but he ran a five point oh four at the combine. 0:19:01.520 --> 0:19:06.119 That's kind of the knock on him. Zach Bonn outside linebackers, 0:19:06.119 --> 0:19:12.520 slash edge rusher from Wisconsin. The cornerbacks include Jalen Johnson 0:19:12.560 --> 0:19:17.679 from Utah and trey Von Diggs from Alabama, Stefan's younger brother. 0:19:18.040 --> 0:19:20.680 And then you've got a defensive tackle who's frequently been 0:19:20.720 --> 0:19:24.800 listed as a first round talent, Ross Blacklock from TCU 0:19:25.560 --> 0:19:29.800 and Gallimore also from Oklahoma. I think, I think those 0:19:29.880 --> 0:19:32.760 two defensive tackles have some value, you know, in the 0:19:33.200 --> 0:19:36.520 in the early second round. So yeah, there's there's there's 0:19:36.640 --> 0:19:39.560 you know, more than a handful of guys, and how 0:19:39.560 --> 0:19:42.119 many of them, how far down the board did the 0:19:42.160 --> 0:19:44.320 Bengals have some of these guys or did they have 0:19:44.440 --> 0:19:46.560 some of them at the end of the first round, 0:19:46.760 --> 0:19:50.200 because you know, let's face it, there's always surprise picks 0:19:50.480 --> 0:19:54.320 in the first round, and this draft no exception. I mean, 0:19:54.400 --> 0:19:58.440 I think people would would be surprised at this cornerback 0:19:58.520 --> 0:20:03.120 from Auburn. Uh, it's been no Henny or whatever he went. 0:20:03.720 --> 0:20:07.160 I mean that one I didn't I didn't have him 0:20:07.760 --> 0:20:10.959 necessarily rated. Uh you know rated at that point. I 0:20:11.040 --> 0:20:13.400 was surprised that Thomas went as early as he did. 0:20:13.400 --> 0:20:15.600 I wasn't surprised he was the first round guy go 0:20:16.080 --> 0:20:18.840 go number four in the draft to the New York Giants. 0:20:18.680 --> 0:20:20.760 It's like, woof man, I you know, I think he's 0:20:20.760 --> 0:20:24.640 a solid player, but um, you know, there's there's always 0:20:24.680 --> 0:20:26.920 there's always a couple of a couple of draft picks 0:20:26.920 --> 0:20:29.639 and and and done in different orders than people had. 0:20:29.880 --> 0:20:32.840 I thought, you know, our net from from Ohio state. 0:20:33.119 --> 0:20:35.480 For him to go as high as he did to 0:20:35.560 --> 0:20:39.479 the Raiders was you know, was was pretty extraordinary. Rager 0:20:39.640 --> 0:20:42.400 going to the Philadelphia Eagles, you know, I think probably 0:20:42.760 --> 0:20:46.720 surprised some people. He you know, he goes ahead of Jefferson, um, 0:20:46.960 --> 0:20:50.040 and you know, Murray sliding as far back as he slived, 0:20:50.560 --> 0:20:54.600 you know, so there's always everybody always has different different 0:20:54.640 --> 0:20:58.000 values on players. But you know, there there is I mean, 0:20:58.040 --> 0:21:02.080 there's there's edge people, there's defensive tackles. The offensive tackle 0:21:02.119 --> 0:21:05.560 position has picked over pretty well the best interior guy, 0:21:05.720 --> 0:21:09.399 Louise went Um. You know, it's it's what do you 0:21:09.720 --> 0:21:11.280 What do you think? I mean, I don't think you 0:21:11.400 --> 0:21:14.040 go on a panic mode and say, all right, well 0:21:14.160 --> 0:21:17.399 we're going to take somebody. We have rated more in 0:21:17.440 --> 0:21:20.879 the late two early three, and honestly that's where I 0:21:20.920 --> 0:21:24.600 have Bond. But when the run happens, you know, maybe 0:21:24.600 --> 0:21:26.680 you say Jeans. You know, maybe we do take Bond 0:21:26.680 --> 0:21:29.000 at thirty three. I think you can trade back and 0:21:29.040 --> 0:21:31.640 still get Bond as well as trading back and still 0:21:31.680 --> 0:21:34.159 get you know, Jones and a lot of these a 0:21:34.160 --> 0:21:36.639 lot of these other guys. But you never know. But 0:21:36.680 --> 0:21:38.920 if somebody says, all right, well I want to trade 0:21:38.960 --> 0:21:41.880 up because I really have him evaluated. And I don't 0:21:41.880 --> 0:21:44.879 know how the Bengals have evaluated how you know, on 0:21:44.920 --> 0:21:48.520 their board. But if a team calls us and they're like, 0:21:48.880 --> 0:21:51.399 we have to have Boom, whichever one of these players 0:21:51.400 --> 0:21:54.840 we've talked about, it is you trade back and hopefully 0:21:54.880 --> 0:21:57.600