WEBVTT - Hard Sell: TCU vs. Oklahoma State 0:00:02.160 --> 0:00:06.880 Welcome to the solid verbal hell that for me. I'm 0:00:06.880 --> 0:00:09.680 a man, I'm forty. I've heard so many players say, well, 0:00:09.720 --> 0:00:10.639 I want to be happy. 0:00:10.800 --> 0:00:12.080 You want to be happy for a day? 0:00:12.520 --> 0:00:15.160 Edith state is that? Woo woof and. 0:00:15.800 --> 0:00:17.080 Them and tie. 0:00:18.520 --> 0:00:21.040 Welcome back to the solid rubble boys and girls. My 0:00:21.120 --> 0:00:24.040 name is Ty hilden Brandt, joining me as always over 0:00:24.079 --> 0:00:29.840 there A bit under the physical weather or whatever we 0:00:29.880 --> 0:00:32.559 want to call this, a bit injured. Yeah, the one 0:00:32.560 --> 0:00:34.760 and only Dan Ruvenstein, sir, how is your shoulder? 0:00:35.640 --> 0:00:39.519 It's okay. 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It's 0:03:26.760 --> 0:03:29.320 been a lot of fun, so check it on out again. 0:03:29.320 --> 0:03:31.160 For Ballers dot Com is how you can find out 0:03:31.160 --> 0:03:34.639 more information about joining the Patriarch community and getting access 0:03:34.720 --> 0:03:43.640 to said discord server Dan. Yeah, what is our show today? Well, 0:03:43.720 --> 0:03:46.680 Texas receiver Jake Smith entered the transfer portal, and I 0:03:46.720 --> 0:03:49.720 know you had a kind of an extensive guide to 0:03:49.840 --> 0:03:52.320 his pros cons and where he might end up. So 0:03:52.320 --> 0:03:55.440 I guess the floor is yours, right, other than Jake Smith? 0:03:56.360 --> 0:03:57.360 What is this show about? 0:03:57.920 --> 0:03:59.560 This is our newest episode of the Hard Sell, which 0:03:59.600 --> 0:04:01.320 people say to be enjoying. It's one of our new 0:04:01.400 --> 0:04:06.200 concepts that we've weaponized for the listening public, in which 0:04:06.720 --> 0:04:10.520 both you and I. You like that I tried to 0:04:10.520 --> 0:04:14.520 sneak it past. It's good, worry, thank you each of us, 0:04:14.800 --> 0:04:17.880 You and I each select a recruiting rival of sorts, 0:04:17.920 --> 0:04:20.320 and we did Ohio State Michigan last time, and you 0:04:20.320 --> 0:04:22.919 could make a case. You know, Ohio State's main recruiting 0:04:23.000 --> 0:04:26.120 rival is say Alabama or Georgia or Clemson, because they're 0:04:26.120 --> 0:04:29.240 the ones in it for I mean, the most national 0:04:29.320 --> 0:04:31.479 five stars. It seems year in and year out, but 0:04:31.520 --> 0:04:35.320 I think within the Big Ten, within certain conferences, we're 0:04:35.360 --> 0:04:39.560 looking to find those rivals or pseudo rivals or and 0:04:39.560 --> 0:04:43.000 this is today's episode. TCU versus Oklahoma State was a 0:04:43.040 --> 0:04:45.400 suggestion we got from a few people when we asked 0:04:45.400 --> 0:04:48.400 for suggestions. Not necessarily at the very top of each conference, 0:04:48.800 --> 0:04:52.160 but two schools that find each other competing for recruits 0:04:52.200 --> 0:04:53.880 more often than not year in and year out. And 0:04:53.960 --> 0:04:57.200 so with TCU and Oklahoma State, obviously it would have 0:04:57.200 --> 0:05:01.720 been a higher profile to do Texas O, but it's 0:05:01.760 --> 0:05:04.400 our show. We don't need to, So we're doing TCU. 0:05:04.400 --> 0:05:08.159 Oklahoma State. You have I think romantic and lust full 0:05:08.240 --> 0:05:11.440 history with TCU. I have nothing either way with Oklahoma State, 0:05:11.480 --> 0:05:13.760 though I love a lot of their uniforms and have 0:05:13.800 --> 0:05:17.080 always treasured pistol pete in my college football life. So 0:05:17.880 --> 0:05:20.920 that's who we're competing again. So I'm representing Oklahoma State, 0:05:20.960 --> 0:05:24.839 You're representing TCU, and we are going to even though 0:05:24.839 --> 0:05:28.400 we don't necessarily believe ty in Dan what we're saying 0:05:28.480 --> 0:05:33.839 in defense of and attacking another school, we are behaving 0:05:33.920 --> 0:05:36.680 on behalf. We are acting on behalf of these schools 0:05:36.720 --> 0:05:39.479 as recruiters, and this is how we would recruit for 0:05:39.680 --> 0:05:40.960 and against these schools. 0:05:41.240 --> 0:05:45.640 Yeah, we are ambassadors if you will for our active probeam. 0:05:46.200 --> 0:05:52.640 Thank you exactly. The position, the name of the recruit, 0:05:52.720 --> 0:05:56.200 so we agreed on the last show a wide receiver, 0:05:57.279 --> 0:06:00.000 which like instantly gives you an advantage if I'm being honest, 0:06:00.200 --> 0:06:03.599 if you're taking Oklahoma State, it's already a harder cell 0:06:03.680 --> 0:06:05.800 I think for me as TCU. But we'll get into 0:06:05.800 --> 0:06:07.039 all that momentarily. 0:06:07.960 --> 0:06:10.680 Two relative two first round receivers in the last five 0:06:10.720 --> 0:06:12.960 years for TCU, is that right? That is correct? Okay, 0:06:13.000 --> 0:06:16.520 So I don't think you are starting way way behind 0:06:16.560 --> 0:06:19.839 the starting line here. It's not bad. It's not as 0:06:19.920 --> 0:06:22.880 bad as I initially thought. But again we'll get into 0:06:22.920 --> 0:06:26.599 that momentarily. Do we come to an agreement on the 0:06:26.720 --> 0:06:30.200 name of this recruit. Yeah, yeah, his name is going 0:06:30.240 --> 0:06:34.240 to be Junkyard docks and a combination of Junkyard Jim 0:06:34.320 --> 0:06:38.520 Washington of course from Oklahoma State and Josh Dockson from TCU. 0:06:38.600 --> 0:06:40.080 He is six two and a half one hundred and 0:06:40.120 --> 0:06:43.160 ninety three pounds from Denton guy Or High School, which 0:06:43.200 --> 0:06:47.359 I believe is the alma mater of JW. Walsh in Texas. 0:06:47.440 --> 0:06:51.880 Denton is north of the df W area. Maybe it's 0:06:51.960 --> 0:06:54.480 considered to be a DFW suburb. I don't know how 0:06:54.520 --> 0:07:00.159 it's officially classified, but it's between still Water and and 0:07:00.200 --> 0:07:03.599 Fort Worth, so that it figured to be a worthwhile 0:07:04.080 --> 0:07:04.560 that's good. 0:07:04.920 --> 0:07:05.400 That's good. 0:07:05.680 --> 0:07:08.760 So that's where we are. And just in terms of 0:07:08.839 --> 0:07:13.680 his background, he is athletic. You know, obviously he's not 0:07:13.880 --> 0:07:16.520 like six three two fifteen, so perhaps he's not that 0:07:16.600 --> 0:07:20.280 five star, but he's a versatile receiver and you know, 0:07:20.400 --> 0:07:24.720 moved all around on his high school team and everything 0:07:24.920 --> 0:07:28.280 that higher level college football programs would want in a 0:07:28.320 --> 0:07:30.640 four star receiver. He's not a full five star, but 0:07:30.680 --> 0:07:33.640 he's a four star, has the potential to make early 0:07:33.680 --> 0:07:36.880 impacts for either for any team he ends up playing for, Okay, 0:07:37.080 --> 0:07:40.400 And it's just he wants to stay relatively close to home, 0:07:40.400 --> 0:07:42.560 which is why he's looking at the Big twelve. And 0:07:42.800 --> 0:07:46.320 he's narrowed it down to TCU in Oklahoma State, two 0:07:46.360 --> 0:07:49.080 schools where he feel like he feels like he won't 0:07:49.240 --> 0:07:52.200 get lost in the shuffle you have. You know, Sark 0:07:52.280 --> 0:07:54.640 has brought in some wide receivers I believe, or I 0:07:54.720 --> 0:07:57.040 mean just their wide receiver talent at Texas more so 0:07:57.360 --> 0:08:00.280 at Oklahoma, and so he really wants to to gave 0:08:00.320 --> 0:08:03.080 his own way to carve, to blaze his own trail. 0:08:03.360 --> 0:08:07.000 This is why Oklahoma State and TCU really do appeal 0:08:07.040 --> 0:08:07.360 to him. 0:08:07.560 --> 0:08:08.120 Let's play the. 0:08:08.160 --> 0:08:13.920 Music's do it. 0:08:17.880 --> 0:08:19.680 Hopefully this gets the juices flowing. 0:08:19.760 --> 0:08:23.640 Dan, I should have you know that I got a 0:08:23.760 --> 0:08:32.080 very reserved phone call from Mama H shortly after our 0:08:32.120 --> 0:08:35.000 last episode and she's like, you know, you're just not 0:08:35.120 --> 0:08:35.679 very good. 0:08:35.480 --> 0:08:36.400 At these episodes. 0:08:36.920 --> 0:08:39.280 This is not your wheelhouse. And then we got a comment, 0:08:39.480 --> 0:08:40.360 a comment from our. 0:08:40.280 --> 0:08:43.600 Boy Ben on Facebook, who was a little bit more 0:08:43.640 --> 0:08:46.800 aggressive in the way that he worded it, but also 0:08:46.840 --> 0:08:48.400 not a fan of my tactics here. 0:08:49.160 --> 0:08:52.400 Well, I mean recruiting is it's dogg eat dog and 0:08:52.559 --> 0:08:56.560 do dog. It's a little bit of a snake oil salesman. Well, 0:08:56.640 --> 0:08:58.480 I don't think. I think I did a fantastic job 0:08:58.520 --> 0:09:01.600 with both Alabama and Michigan. I think you just need 0:09:01.640 --> 0:09:05.480 to dig deeper, and you need to find the kernel, 0:09:05.559 --> 0:09:10.360 the core of your selling point, and that's emotion, it's relationships, 0:09:10.360 --> 0:09:11.800 and I don't know if you've fully tapped into it. 0:09:12.000 --> 0:09:14.760 You've done your research, you know your stuff. Well, you 0:09:14.840 --> 0:09:18.880 need to find what's inside the stuff. Ty, So, mister 0:09:18.960 --> 0:09:22.000 Junkyard Docks and do you go by Junk? Can we 0:09:22.080 --> 0:09:22.800 just call him Junk? 0:09:22.880 --> 0:09:23.360 Is that okay? 0:09:25.000 --> 0:09:27.360 I hope. So. I think the recruiter who recruited for 0:09:27.480 --> 0:09:30.200 Georgia forgot the recruits name a number of times. So 0:09:30.280 --> 0:09:32.840 it's good that this recruiter for TCO is really verifying 0:09:33.120 --> 0:09:37.880 j Junker Junkyard Jay if you want Jyard JJ Docks. 0:09:38.240 --> 0:09:41.959 Yeah, whatever, whatever works for you, mister junk Junk is fine. 0:09:42.640 --> 0:09:47.120 You know, the college experience is all about growth, It's 0:09:47.160 --> 0:09:48.119 all about development. 0:09:48.200 --> 0:09:49.880 It's about you jumping in here. Are you making the 0:09:49.880 --> 0:09:51.840 first pitch? Is that what I'm making the first pitch? Okay? 0:09:51.840 --> 0:09:53.880 I just want to make sure it's about getting you 0:09:53.920 --> 0:09:58.120 ready for the future, both in football and in the 0:09:58.120 --> 0:10:02.000 real world here. But we know there are no shortcuts. 0:10:03.679 --> 0:10:06.760 But you can learn the process. You can learn the 0:10:06.800 --> 0:10:08.679 process from the best of them. You can learn it 0:10:08.679 --> 0:10:12.400 from Gary Patterson. Gary Patterson has been at the helm 0:10:12.440 --> 0:10:15.000 of this program now for over twenty years. He has 0:10:15.160 --> 0:10:20.000 fine tuned those dark arts of growth and development ever 0:10:20.280 --> 0:10:23.120 so gradually over the course of the last two decades. 0:10:23.800 --> 0:10:26.720 This is a program that turned into one of. 0:10:26.720 --> 0:10:27.319 The big boys. 0:10:27.400 --> 0:10:31.520 Dan, excuse me, Junk, turn into one of the big boys. 0:10:31.520 --> 0:10:35.680 They bootstrapped. TCU did bootstrapped their way from the Whack 0:10:36.120 --> 0:10:38.800 to Conference USA, to the Mountain West, and now to 0:10:38.840 --> 0:10:42.560 the Big Twelve. This is a growth mentality that is 0:10:42.559 --> 0:10:48.080 pervasive all throughout the TCU football program, the TCU institution 0:10:48.679 --> 0:10:52.840 as an academic institution. It's part of everything that goes 0:10:52.840 --> 0:10:56.880 on in Fort Worth. It's how they constantly produce NFL talent, 0:10:56.960 --> 0:10:59.600 how they compete for championships, how they get you ready 0:10:59.600 --> 0:11:02.840 for life after football. On the other side of things, 0:11:03.280 --> 0:11:07.480 actually in the classroom, because look, mister and missus, junk 0:11:08.000 --> 0:11:11.000 feels very weirdy to say that, Docson, I don't know, 0:11:11.559 --> 0:11:12.439 maybe they go by Junk. 0:11:12.480 --> 0:11:12.840 I don't know. 0:11:13.000 --> 0:11:16.440 Yeah, yeah, in the classroom. What you'll come to know 0:11:16.440 --> 0:11:19.320 about TCU is that the core curriculum, it's well done, 0:11:19.440 --> 0:11:22.480 it's practical. It's set up with a focus on getting 0:11:22.520 --> 0:11:26.319 students prepared for the real world after graduation. It's a 0:11:26.360 --> 0:11:29.360 place that's big enough to feel like a big time, 0:11:29.559 --> 0:11:32.640 you know, huge institutional like the Penn States, like the 0:11:32.679 --> 0:11:35.240 Arizona States of the world. But at the same time 0:11:35.280 --> 0:11:37.680 it's small enough, it's personal enough that your professors are 0:11:37.720 --> 0:11:40.800 actually going to know your name. So a degree from 0:11:40.840 --> 0:11:44.199 TCU is meaningful because you get that one on one 0:11:44.240 --> 0:11:48.439 attention when it comes to actually learning your desired discipline. 0:11:49.200 --> 0:11:52.560 And it's also setting you up from a practical standpoint 0:11:52.640 --> 0:11:54.520 so that you can hit the ground running if you 0:11:54.559 --> 0:11:56.680 do have to go into the working world after you 0:11:58.000 --> 0:11:59.319 play your football career. 0:11:59.080 --> 0:12:01.000 Through going pro something other than football. 0:12:01.040 --> 0:12:04.880 Is that what you're saying, Maybe maybe, Okay, yep, So 0:12:04.960 --> 0:12:07.440 TCU really gives you the best of both worlds. But 0:12:07.520 --> 0:12:10.880 it is all about that growth and personal development. It 0:12:10.960 --> 0:12:14.040 is something that Gary Patterson, something that the institution as 0:12:14.120 --> 0:12:17.839 a whole, they take it very seriously, and I think 0:12:17.880 --> 0:12:20.920 it's evident whenever you look at TCU that their roots 0:12:20.920 --> 0:12:24.640 are humble, but they've built themselves up as a football program, 0:12:24.679 --> 0:12:28.520 as an institution to this level of being just national. 0:12:28.520 --> 0:12:30.240 Wee wee wee wee. 0:12:30.960 --> 0:12:33.280 Yeah, I'm an agent. I'm an agent here. I can speak. 0:12:33.280 --> 0:12:34.080 Oh, you're an agent. 0:12:34.200 --> 0:12:36.080 I can use I can use the Royal wee, I 0:12:36.120 --> 0:12:37.640 can go they, I can do whatever I want. 0:12:37.920 --> 0:12:40.120 No, es, that is my opening pitch. 0:12:40.320 --> 0:12:45.000 Continue, Okay, I think that's it's an interesting opening pitch, 0:12:45.080 --> 0:12:48.520 for sure. I'm going to focus on Oklahoma State because 0:12:48.800 --> 0:12:52.160 that's that's where the good folks at the Berlinnikof Award 0:12:52.360 --> 0:12:55.440 are focused. Justin Blackman, of course, won it twice, and 0:12:55.559 --> 0:13:01.360 Jim Washington, you know, James Washington, Junkyard, Junkyard Jim of course, yeah, 0:13:01.440 --> 0:13:04.480 James Washington won it recently. And it's just been a 0:13:04.520 --> 0:13:08.480 really great place for wide receivers to thrive on the field. 0:13:08.760 --> 0:13:13.120 And Stillwater is a fantastic place. Everybody in Stillwater loves 0:13:13.200 --> 0:13:15.720 college football and shows up to the games in the 0:13:15.800 --> 0:13:19.720 big stadium. There's just something about Oklahoma State and getting 0:13:19.720 --> 0:13:22.960 the best of big time football in a town that's 0:13:23.000 --> 0:13:26.439 a true college town, not a city, but a college town. 0:13:26.920 --> 0:13:30.160 And between the facilities that, of course te Boon Pickens 0:13:30.240 --> 0:13:34.200 was able to spearhead and fund between the continuity with 0:13:34.280 --> 0:13:37.840 coach Gundhy in Stillwater both of course with a storied 0:13:37.880 --> 0:13:40.800 career as a player and then longtime coach. The continuity 0:13:40.840 --> 0:13:43.720 is there. And the offensive coordinators that have gone on 0:13:43.800 --> 0:13:46.760 to bigger and better jobs. You talk about Dana Holgerson 0:13:46.800 --> 0:13:50.480 and Todd Munkin and Mike y'ersick and recently Sean Gleeson 0:13:50.480 --> 0:13:54.720 and now of course Casey Lee Dunn has been a 0:13:54.760 --> 0:13:58.760 fantastic addition, not addition, he's been there forever. But you're 0:13:58.800 --> 0:14:00.720 going to be coached by the best in a big 0:14:00.760 --> 0:14:04.080 time place, playing in big time a big time rivalry 0:14:04.120 --> 0:14:07.640 game in Bedlum. I'm not sure tc was at the 0:14:07.679 --> 0:14:11.480 revivalry with Baylor, the private school pillow fight. I just 0:14:11.559 --> 0:14:16.480 think there is something about Junkyard Docson that it just 0:14:16.559 --> 0:14:20.040 spells big time to me. And I see a bee 0:14:20.040 --> 0:14:22.280 with big time, and I see a bee with Bolitnikoff. 0:14:22.760 --> 0:14:25.800 I see the whole package here with Oklahoma State and 0:14:25.840 --> 0:14:29.000 a wide receiver from Texas who's used to big time football. 0:14:29.280 --> 0:14:32.760 So Oklahoma State it makes sense to me, obviously it 0:14:32.800 --> 0:14:35.040 makes sense to you on a certain level. What we 0:14:35.120 --> 0:14:38.400 do is we develop players here at Oklahoma State, not 0:14:38.520 --> 0:14:41.640 just for the next level, but to succeed on this level, 0:14:41.680 --> 0:14:43.560 to win, to be a part of a prolific passing 0:14:43.640 --> 0:14:46.600 offense that for the past five years finished as a 0:14:46.600 --> 0:14:49.880 top fifty offense. We can talk about TCU if you want, 0:14:50.040 --> 0:14:52.160 but I'd rather just talk about Oklahoma State here and 0:14:52.240 --> 0:14:56.680 how well we develop wide receivers and offensive skill talent 0:14:56.720 --> 0:14:58.040 here in Stillwater. 0:14:58.000 --> 0:15:01.960 And also the All American rejects to be outdone also 0:15:02.000 --> 0:15:03.640 from Stillwater, Oklahoma. 0:15:03.200 --> 0:15:07.120 Big with seventeen year olds in twenty twenty one, twenty 0:15:07.200 --> 0:15:09.640 years after their seven album came out. 0:15:09.720 --> 0:15:13.920 Yeah, I okay, So let's let's unpack that a little bit. 0:15:13.960 --> 0:15:17.320 You talk about being coached by the best, and for 0:15:17.360 --> 0:15:20.400 sure Mike Gundy is a good coach. The offense has 0:15:20.440 --> 0:15:22.320 been high flying. I want to talk a little bit 0:15:22.320 --> 0:15:24.280 about Doug Meacham though, talk a little. 0:15:24.040 --> 0:15:27.800 Bit about the Lee. It's just Casey Don Casey Lee 0:15:27.960 --> 0:15:30.760 just sounded good to Casey Lee. Done, Casey Lee done. 0:15:30.800 --> 0:15:31.000 Sure. 0:15:31.760 --> 0:15:33.440 I want to talk about Doug Meacham. We'll get into 0:15:33.440 --> 0:15:34.160 Gary Patterson. 0:15:35.080 --> 0:15:35.320 Sure. 0:15:35.520 --> 0:15:38.880 Doug Meacham on the topic of offensive coordinators. He has 0:15:39.000 --> 0:15:41.920 roots in the air Raid, which obviously is a very wide, 0:15:42.200 --> 0:15:46.920 wide receiver friendly system. He is an aggressive minded play caller. 0:15:47.520 --> 0:15:50.400 He has a knack for developing talent, pretty good track 0:15:50.440 --> 0:15:53.880 record of doing that and in particular getting his best 0:15:53.880 --> 0:15:58.040 players the football back in the days of Josh dockson 0:15:59.040 --> 0:16:02.920 part of Doug meacham offense, and his ability to go downfield, 0:16:03.160 --> 0:16:05.600 his ability to focus on the best player on the field. 0:16:06.200 --> 0:16:09.000 Part of that is what made Josh Dockson into a 0:16:09.000 --> 0:16:12.200 first round draft pick by the Redskins. So he's a 0:16:12.240 --> 0:16:14.960 guy who if you come in with a lot of talent, 0:16:15.480 --> 0:16:18.440 he will find that talent. He will find ways to 0:16:18.440 --> 0:16:20.400 make it better. But he will also try and use 0:16:20.720 --> 0:16:24.000 the existing offense to harness it and booy the entire 0:16:24.880 --> 0:16:29.560 the entire operation if he gets that reliable target. And 0:16:29.640 --> 0:16:31.560 I have to believe, mister Junk, that you are the 0:16:32.000 --> 0:16:37.480 reliable target. Sure, he also likes to bombit deep, loves 0:16:37.520 --> 0:16:40.560 to bombit deep. We saw it in twenty sixteen with 0:16:40.680 --> 0:16:44.440 mister Dockson, your namesake. We even saw that a bit 0:16:44.520 --> 0:16:47.880 last year in the absence of a true stud wide receiver. 0:16:48.720 --> 0:16:52.360 Good wide receivers, no one your caliber, mister Junk. But 0:16:52.680 --> 0:16:55.680 over eighteen percent of TCU's passes went for at least 0:16:55.680 --> 0:16:56.160 twenty or. 0:16:56.080 --> 0:16:59.280 More yards in the air. I was among the nation's best. 0:16:59.800 --> 0:17:02.120 This is an offense that's high flying, an offense that 0:17:02.360 --> 0:17:05.720 likes to rely on wide receivers, and an offense I 0:17:05.720 --> 0:17:09.639 should also point out that has produced two first round 0:17:10.200 --> 0:17:13.240 NFL draft picks from the wide receiver position in the 0:17:13.320 --> 0:17:17.480 last five years, those being Josh Dockson previously mentioned and 0:17:17.560 --> 0:17:20.159 of course most recently in twenty twenty Jalen Riger. 0:17:22.320 --> 0:17:26.320 I'm not sure where you're getting your numbers from, because 0:17:26.359 --> 0:17:29.360 what I'm seeing with TCU is I'm seeing last season. Now, 0:17:29.359 --> 0:17:31.480 he was just what a receiver's coaches is, Doug Meecham 0:17:31.520 --> 0:17:36.000 you're talking about. I'm seeing TCU as a one hundred 0:17:36.000 --> 0:17:39.240 and fifth best passing offense in the country. So maybe 0:17:39.280 --> 0:17:42.600 they attempted a lot of downfield passing. You talked about 0:17:42.600 --> 0:17:45.080 that that one on one attention that you get going 0:17:45.119 --> 0:17:50.560 to TCU, right, I don't know if mister Max Duggan 0:17:50.800 --> 0:17:52.919 and the one on one attention that he was trying 0:17:52.920 --> 0:17:55.199 to put out into the universe, I don't think they were. 0:17:55.440 --> 0:17:57.520 There was not a lot of connection, okay, is what 0:17:57.560 --> 0:18:02.560 I would say. You was really poor one hundred and 0:18:02.600 --> 0:18:05.520 second in terms of percentage of passes to outside receivers. 0:18:05.840 --> 0:18:08.639 They threw to running backs, they threw to slot receiver receiver. 0:18:08.760 --> 0:18:11.680 So we're talking of a big time receiver here who wants. 0:18:11.440 --> 0:18:12.679 But they like to move them around. 0:18:12.720 --> 0:18:14.879 You said they like to move around in high school 0:18:16.080 --> 0:18:20.040 and TCU that offense is creative enough in that it 0:18:20.359 --> 0:18:22.640 knows how to get the right matchups. I don't think 0:18:23.400 --> 0:18:27.479 just judging from talking to mister and Missus and Junk Junior, 0:18:28.760 --> 0:18:33.440 I'm assuming that he wants the football in open space. 0:18:33.800 --> 0:18:35.479 He wants the football in ways that he can make 0:18:35.480 --> 0:18:39.000 the most impact if you're looking for that. I think 0:18:39.040 --> 0:18:42.359 TCU has shown a proficiency in putting its players in 0:18:42.440 --> 0:18:44.919 a good spot to get those matchups and showcase what 0:18:44.920 --> 0:18:45.400 they can do. 0:18:46.080 --> 0:18:47.560 Yeah, you want to showcase what you can do in 0:18:47.680 --> 0:18:51.200 man coverage, Max Duggan a QBR of ten point three 0:18:51.720 --> 0:18:56.320 versus man coverage in twenty twenty, So you gotta start showcasing. 0:18:56.760 --> 0:18:57.600 I'm right there with you. 0:18:57.760 --> 0:18:58.399 See the problem? 0:18:58.400 --> 0:19:02.200 The problem though, Yeah, and I think that's fair. We've 0:19:02.240 --> 0:19:04.480 gotten a lot of questions from other parents at the 0:19:04.480 --> 0:19:07.919 wide receiver position about that very stat How do you 0:19:07.920 --> 0:19:09.359 guys do against man coverage? 0:19:10.000 --> 0:19:11.800 What I would say and what I have said. 0:19:11.600 --> 0:19:14.040 To the Junk Fano Almano, what I've said to the 0:19:14.080 --> 0:19:17.200 Junk family is that what we're trying to do at 0:19:17.240 --> 0:19:20.720 TCU at the receiver position is get more athletic. We 0:19:20.760 --> 0:19:22.800 want to get more guys that wiggle, more guys at 0:19:22.800 --> 0:19:25.840 that shake that can build it off of man coverage 0:19:26.400 --> 0:19:28.560 and put our offense in a better position. We think 0:19:28.600 --> 0:19:30.879 that's that's Junkyard Dockson. 0:19:31.720 --> 0:19:34.320 Yeah, no, it's all hypothetical. The good news here is 0:19:34.840 --> 0:19:38.280 what we saw from Spencer Sanders from Oklahoma State, a quarterback. 0:19:38.280 --> 0:19:40.560 We're quite proud of his progress and how he is 0:19:41.119 --> 0:19:44.000 ascending up the college football ranks at quarterback. We saw 0:19:44.200 --> 0:19:46.280 we saw him throw for four hundred yards against Texas 0:19:46.359 --> 0:19:49.360 last year, throw four touchdowns, averaging ten yards per attempt, 0:19:49.440 --> 0:19:51.879 and then how he finished the season leading the Pokes 0:19:51.920 --> 0:19:54.840 to a forty two to three win over Baylor, and 0:19:55.440 --> 0:19:57.680 just I mean it was three touchdowns, it was eleven 0:19:57.760 --> 0:20:00.359 yards an attempt, completing almost seventy percent of his p is 0:20:00.359 --> 0:20:03.159 the bowl game against Miami with first round talent on 0:20:03.200 --> 0:20:07.600 that defense, another seventy percent almost completion rate, three hundred 0:20:07.600 --> 0:20:10.920 plus yards, four touchdowns, no picks. We're talking about a 0:20:11.000 --> 0:20:14.520 growth at quarterback that isn't hypothetical. It's something that we 0:20:14.560 --> 0:20:18.080 are already seeing seeing guys develop like Tylan Wallace. We're 0:20:18.080 --> 0:20:21.320 seeing guys develop Dylan Stone or marcel Aateman. These guys 0:20:21.640 --> 0:20:26.000 are accomplished on both the college level and making names 0:20:26.000 --> 0:20:28.760 for themselves on the pro level. We can't control that, 0:20:28.880 --> 0:20:31.159 but obviously the way they contributed to us here in 0:20:31.200 --> 0:20:34.080 Stillwater and in the Big Twelve, we're always quite impressed 0:20:34.280 --> 0:20:35.919 looking back at what they've done for us in these 0:20:36.000 --> 0:20:39.680 last couple of years. So it's not a hypothetical for us. 0:20:39.800 --> 0:20:42.520 We are showing and proving that, and we have been 0:20:42.560 --> 0:20:46.399 able to despite offers from other schools, huge schools, that 0:20:46.440 --> 0:20:48.199 we were able to keep Casey done here in the 0:20:48.200 --> 0:20:50.760 fold up. Lee done a great job. Now just Casey done, 0:20:50.800 --> 0:20:53.120 Casey Dunn. Maybe it's Casey Lee done. Who knows who's 0:20:53.160 --> 0:20:56.800 to say, but I just have Casey done here, and 0:20:56.840 --> 0:20:59.240 I just it makes sense to me. And there's something 0:20:59.280 --> 0:21:02.680 about still in college football with you know, Fort Worth 0:21:02.760 --> 0:21:06.639