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Speaker 3: to said discord server Dan. Yeah, what is our show today? Well,
Speaker 3: Texas receiver Jake Smith entered the transfer portal, and I
Speaker 3: know you had a kind of an extensive guide to
Speaker 3: his pros cons and where he might end up. So
Speaker 3: I guess the floor is yours, right, other than Jake Smith?
Speaker 2: What is this show about?
Speaker 1: This is our newest episode of the Hard Sell, which
Speaker 1: people say to be enjoying. It's one of our new
Speaker 1: concepts that we've weaponized for the listening public, in which
Speaker 1: both you and I. You like that I tried to
Speaker 1: sneak it past. It's good, worry, thank you each of us,
Speaker 1: You and I each select a recruiting rival of sorts,
Speaker 1: and we did Ohio State Michigan last time, and you
Speaker 1: could make a case. You know, Ohio State's main recruiting
Speaker 1: rival is say Alabama or Georgia or Clemson, because they're
Speaker 1: the ones in it for I mean, the most national
Speaker 1: five stars. It seems year in and year out, but
Speaker 1: I think within the Big Ten, within certain conferences, we're
Speaker 1: looking to find those rivals or pseudo rivals or and
Speaker 1: this is today's episode. TCU versus Oklahoma State was a
Speaker 1: suggestion we got from a few people when we asked
Speaker 1: for suggestions. Not necessarily at the very top of each conference,
Speaker 1: but two schools that find each other competing for recruits
Speaker 1: more often than not year in and year out. And
Speaker 1: so with TCU and Oklahoma State, obviously it would have
Speaker 1: been a higher profile to do Texas O, but it's
Speaker 1: our show. We don't need to, So we're doing TCU.
Speaker 1: Oklahoma State. You have I think romantic and lust full
Speaker 1: history with TCU. I have nothing either way with Oklahoma State,
Speaker 1: though I love a lot of their uniforms and have
Speaker 1: always treasured pistol pete in my college football life. So
Speaker 1: that's who we're competing again. So I'm representing Oklahoma State,
Speaker 1: You're representing TCU, and we are going to even though
Speaker 1: we don't necessarily believe ty in Dan what we're saying
Speaker 1: in defense of and attacking another school, we are behaving
Speaker 1: on behalf. We are acting on behalf of these schools
Speaker 1: as recruiters, and this is how we would recruit for
Speaker 1: and against these schools.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we are ambassadors if you will for our active probeam.
Speaker 3: Thank you exactly. The position, the name of the recruit,
Speaker 3: so we agreed on the last show a wide receiver,
Speaker 3: which like instantly gives you an advantage if I'm being honest,
Speaker 3: if you're taking Oklahoma State, it's already a harder cell
Speaker 3: I think for me as TCU. But we'll get into
Speaker 3: all that momentarily.
Speaker 1: Two relative two first round receivers in the last five
Speaker 1: years for TCU, is that right? That is correct? Okay,
Speaker 1: So I don't think you are starting way way behind
Speaker 1: the starting line here. It's not bad. It's not as
Speaker 1: bad as I initially thought. But again we'll get into
Speaker 1: that momentarily. Do we come to an agreement on the
Speaker 1: name of this recruit. Yeah, yeah, his name is going
Speaker 1: to be Junkyard docks and a combination of Junkyard Jim
Speaker 1: Washington of course from Oklahoma State and Josh Dockson from TCU.
Speaker 1: He is six two and a half one hundred and
Speaker 1: ninety three pounds from Denton guy Or High School, which
Speaker 1: I believe is the alma mater of JW. Walsh in Texas.
Speaker 1: Denton is north of the df W area. Maybe it's
Speaker 1: considered to be a DFW suburb. I don't know how
Speaker 1: it's officially classified, but it's between still Water and and
Speaker 1: Fort Worth, so that it figured to be a worthwhile
Speaker 1: that's good.
Speaker 2: That's good.
Speaker 1: So that's where we are. And just in terms of
Speaker 1: his background, he is athletic. You know, obviously he's not
Speaker 1: like six three two fifteen, so perhaps he's not that
Speaker 1: five star, but he's a versatile receiver and you know,
Speaker 1: moved all around on his high school team and everything
Speaker 1: that higher level college football programs would want in a
Speaker 1: four star receiver. He's not a full five star, but
Speaker 1: he's a four star, has the potential to make early
Speaker 1: impacts for either for any team he ends up playing for, Okay,
Speaker 1: And it's just he wants to stay relatively close to home,
Speaker 1: which is why he's looking at the Big twelve. And
Speaker 1: he's narrowed it down to TCU in Oklahoma State, two
Speaker 1: schools where he feel like he feels like he won't
Speaker 1: get lost in the shuffle you have. You know, Sark
Speaker 1: has brought in some wide receivers I believe, or I
Speaker 1: mean just their wide receiver talent at Texas more so
Speaker 1: at Oklahoma, and so he really wants to to gave
Speaker 1: his own way to carve, to blaze his own trail.
Speaker 1: This is why Oklahoma State and TCU really do appeal
Speaker 1: to him.
Speaker 2: Let's play the.
Speaker 1: Music's do it.
Speaker 2: Hopefully this gets the juices flowing.
Speaker 3: Dan, I should have you know that I got a
Speaker 3: very reserved phone call from Mama H shortly after our
Speaker 3: last episode and she's like, you know, you're just not
Speaker 3: very good.
Speaker 2: At these episodes.
Speaker 1: This is not your wheelhouse. And then we got a comment,
Speaker 1: a comment from our.
Speaker 3: Boy Ben on Facebook, who was a little bit more
Speaker 3: aggressive in the way that he worded it, but also
Speaker 3: not a fan of my tactics here.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean recruiting is it's dogg eat dog and
Speaker 1: do dog. It's a little bit of a snake oil salesman. Well,
Speaker 1: I don't think. I think I did a fantastic job
Speaker 1: with both Alabama and Michigan. I think you just need
Speaker 1: to dig deeper, and you need to find the kernel,
Speaker 1: the core of your selling point, and that's emotion, it's relationships,
Speaker 1: and I don't know if you've fully tapped into it.
Speaker 1: You've done your research, you know your stuff. Well, you
Speaker 1: need to find what's inside the stuff. Ty, So, mister
Speaker 1: Junkyard Docks and do you go by Junk? Can we
Speaker 1: just call him Junk?
Speaker 2: Is that okay?
Speaker 1: I hope. So. I think the recruiter who recruited for
Speaker 1: Georgia forgot the recruits name a number of times. So
Speaker 1: it's good that this recruiter for TCO is really verifying
Speaker 1: j Junker Junkyard Jay if you want Jyard JJ Docks.
Speaker 3: Yeah, whatever, whatever works for you, mister junk Junk is fine.
Speaker 3: You know, the college experience is all about growth, It's
Speaker 3: all about development.
Speaker 1: It's about you jumping in here. Are you making the
Speaker 1: first pitch? Is that what I'm making the first pitch? Okay?
Speaker 3: I just want to make sure it's about getting you
Speaker 3: ready for the future, both in football and in the
Speaker 3: real world here. But we know there are no shortcuts.
Speaker 3: But you can learn the process. You can learn the
Speaker 3: process from the best of them. You can learn it
Speaker 3: from Gary Patterson. Gary Patterson has been at the helm
Speaker 3: of this program now for over twenty years. He has
Speaker 3: fine tuned those dark arts of growth and development ever
Speaker 3: so gradually over the course of the last two decades.
Speaker 3: This is a program that turned into one of.
Speaker 2: The big boys.
Speaker 3: Dan, excuse me, Junk, turn into one of the big boys.
Speaker 3: They bootstrapped. TCU did bootstrapped their way from the Whack
Speaker 3: to Conference USA, to the Mountain West, and now to
Speaker 3: the Big Twelve. This is a growth mentality that is
Speaker 3: pervasive all throughout the TCU football program, the TCU institution
Speaker 3: as an academic institution. It's part of everything that goes
Speaker 3: on in Fort Worth. It's how they constantly produce NFL talent,
Speaker 3: how they compete for championships, how they get you ready
Speaker 3: for life after football. On the other side of things,
Speaker 3: actually in the classroom, because look, mister and missus, junk
Speaker 3: feels very weirdy to say that, Docson, I don't know,
Speaker 3: maybe they go by Junk.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, in the classroom. What you'll come to know
Speaker 3: about TCU is that the core curriculum, it's well done,
Speaker 3: it's practical. It's set up with a focus on getting
Speaker 3: students prepared for the real world after graduation. It's a
Speaker 3: place that's big enough to feel like a big time,
Speaker 3: you know, huge institutional like the Penn States, like the
Speaker 3: Arizona States of the world. But at the same time
Speaker 3: it's small enough, it's personal enough that your professors are
Speaker 3: actually going to know your name. So a degree from
Speaker 3: TCU is meaningful because you get that one on one
Speaker 3: attention when it comes to actually learning your desired discipline.
Speaker 3: And it's also setting you up from a practical standpoint
Speaker 3: so that you can hit the ground running if you
Speaker 3: do have to go into the working world after you
Speaker 3: play your football career.
Speaker 1: Through going pro something other than football.
Speaker 3: Is that what you're saying, Maybe maybe, Okay, yep, So
Speaker 3: TCU really gives you the best of both worlds. But
Speaker 3: it is all about that growth and personal development. It
Speaker 3: is something that Gary Patterson, something that the institution as
Speaker 3: a whole, they take it very seriously, and I think
Speaker 3: it's evident whenever you look at TCU that their roots
Speaker 3: are humble, but they've built themselves up as a football program,
Speaker 3: as an institution to this level of being just national.
Speaker 1: Wee wee wee wee.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm an agent. I'm an agent here. I can speak.
Speaker 1: Oh, you're an agent.
Speaker 3: I can use I can use the Royal wee, I
Speaker 3: can go they, I can do whatever I want.
Speaker 2: No, es, that is my opening pitch.
Speaker 1: Continue, Okay, I think that's it's an interesting opening pitch,
Speaker 1: for sure. I'm going to focus on Oklahoma State because
Speaker 1: that's that's where the good folks at the Berlinnikof Award
Speaker 1: are focused. Justin Blackman, of course, won it twice, and
Speaker 1: Jim Washington, you know, James Washington, Junkyard, Junkyard Jim of course, yeah,
Speaker 1: James Washington won it recently. And it's just been a
Speaker 1: really great place for wide receivers to thrive on the field.
Speaker 1: And Stillwater is a fantastic place. Everybody in Stillwater loves
Speaker 1: college football and shows up to the games in the
Speaker 1: big stadium. There's just something about Oklahoma State and getting
Speaker 1: the best of big time football in a town that's
Speaker 1: a true college town, not a city, but a college town.
Speaker 1: And between the facilities that, of course te Boon Pickens
Speaker 1: was able to spearhead and fund between the continuity with
Speaker 1: coach Gundhy in Stillwater both of course with a storied
Speaker 1: career as a player and then longtime coach. The continuity
Speaker 1: is there. And the offensive coordinators that have gone on
Speaker 1: to bigger and better jobs. You talk about Dana Holgerson
Speaker 1: and Todd Munkin and Mike y'ersick and recently Sean Gleeson
Speaker 1: and now of course Casey Lee Dunn has been a
Speaker 1: fantastic addition, not addition, he's been there forever. But you're
Speaker 1: going to be coached by the best in a big
Speaker 1: time place, playing in big time a big time rivalry
Speaker 1: game in Bedlum. I'm not sure tc was at the
Speaker 1: revivalry with Baylor, the private school pillow fight. I just
Speaker 1: think there is something about Junkyard Docson that it just
Speaker 1: spells big time to me. And I see a bee
Speaker 1: with big time, and I see a bee with Bolitnikoff.
Speaker 1: I see the whole package here with Oklahoma State and
Speaker 1: a wide receiver from Texas who's used to big time football.
Speaker 1: So Oklahoma State it makes sense to me, obviously it
Speaker 1: makes sense to you on a certain level. What we
Speaker 1: do is we develop players here at Oklahoma State, not
Speaker 1: just for the next level, but to succeed on this level,
Speaker 1: to win, to be a part of a prolific passing
Speaker 1: offense that for the past five years finished as a
Speaker 1: top fifty offense. We can talk about TCU if you want,
Speaker 1: but I'd rather just talk about Oklahoma State here and
Speaker 1: how well we develop wide receivers and offensive skill talent
Speaker 1: here in Stillwater.
Speaker 3: And also the All American rejects to be outdone also
Speaker 3: from Stillwater, Oklahoma.
Speaker 1: Big with seventeen year olds in twenty twenty one, twenty
Speaker 1: years after their seven album came out.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I okay, So let's let's unpack that a little bit.
Speaker 3: You talk about being coached by the best, and for
Speaker 3: sure Mike Gundy is a good coach. The offense has
Speaker 3: been high flying. I want to talk a little bit
Speaker 3: about Doug Meacham though, talk a little.
Speaker 1: Bit about the Lee. It's just Casey Don Casey Lee
Speaker 1: just sounded good to Casey Lee. Done, Casey Lee done.
Speaker 2: Sure.
Speaker 1: I want to talk about Doug Meacham. We'll get into
Speaker 1: Gary Patterson.
Speaker 2: Sure.
Speaker 3: Doug Meacham on the topic of offensive coordinators. He has
Speaker 3: roots in the air Raid, which obviously is a very wide,
Speaker 3: wide receiver friendly system. He is an aggressive minded play caller.
Speaker 3: He has a knack for developing talent, pretty good track
Speaker 3: record of doing that and in particular getting his best
Speaker 3: players the football back in the days of Josh dockson
Speaker 3: part of Doug meacham offense, and his ability to go downfield,
Speaker 3: his ability to focus on the best player on the field.
Speaker 3: Part of that is what made Josh Dockson into a
Speaker 3: first round draft pick by the Redskins. So he's a
Speaker 3: guy who if you come in with a lot of talent,
Speaker 3: he will find that talent. He will find ways to
Speaker 3: make it better. But he will also try and use
Speaker 3: the existing offense to harness it and booy the entire
Speaker 3: the entire operation if he gets that reliable target. And
Speaker 3: I have to believe, mister Junk, that you are the
Speaker 3: reliable target. Sure, he also likes to bombit deep, loves
Speaker 3: to bombit deep. We saw it in twenty sixteen with
Speaker 3: mister Dockson, your namesake. We even saw that a bit
Speaker 3: last year in the absence of a true stud wide receiver.
Speaker 3: Good wide receivers, no one your caliber, mister Junk. But
Speaker 3: over eighteen percent of TCU's passes went for at least
Speaker 3: twenty or.
Speaker 2: More yards in the air. I was among the nation's best.
Speaker 3: This is an offense that's high flying, an offense that
Speaker 3: likes to rely on wide receivers, and an offense I
Speaker 3: should also point out that has produced two first round
Speaker 3: NFL draft picks from the wide receiver position in the
Speaker 3: last five years, those being Josh Dockson previously mentioned and
Speaker 3: of course most recently in twenty twenty Jalen Riger.
Speaker 1: I'm not sure where you're getting your numbers from, because
Speaker 1: what I'm seeing with TCU is I'm seeing last season. Now,
Speaker 1: he was just what a receiver's coaches is, Doug Meecham
Speaker 1: you're talking about. I'm seeing TCU as a one hundred
Speaker 1: and fifth best passing offense in the country. So maybe
Speaker 1: they attempted a lot of downfield passing. You talked about
Speaker 1: that that one on one attention that you get going
Speaker 1: to TCU, right, I don't know if mister Max Duggan
Speaker 1: and the one on one attention that he was trying
Speaker 1: to put out into the universe, I don't think they were.
Speaker 1: There was not a lot of connection, okay, is what
Speaker 1: I would say. You was really poor one hundred and
Speaker 1: second in terms of percentage of passes to outside receivers.
Speaker 1: They threw to running backs, they threw to slot receiver receiver.
Speaker 1: So we're talking of a big time receiver here who wants.
Speaker 2: But they like to move them around.
Speaker 3: You said they like to move around in high school
Speaker 3: and TCU that offense is creative enough in that it
Speaker 3: knows how to get the right matchups. I don't think
Speaker 3: just judging from talking to mister and Missus and Junk Junior,
Speaker 3: I'm assuming that he wants the football in open space.
Speaker 3: He wants the football in ways that he can make
Speaker 3: the most impact if you're looking for that. I think
Speaker 3: TCU has shown a proficiency in putting its players in
Speaker 3: a good spot to get those matchups and showcase what
Speaker 3: they can do.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you want to showcase what you can do in
Speaker 1: man coverage, Max Duggan a QBR of ten point three
Speaker 1: versus man coverage in twenty twenty, So you gotta start showcasing.
Speaker 1: I'm right there with you.
Speaker 2: See the problem?
Speaker 3: The problem though, Yeah, and I think that's fair. We've
Speaker 3: gotten a lot of questions from other parents at the
Speaker 3: wide receiver position about that very stat How do you
Speaker 3: guys do against man coverage?
Speaker 2: What I would say and what I have said.
Speaker 3: To the Junk Fano Almano, what I've said to the
Speaker 3: Junk family is that what we're trying to do at
Speaker 3: TCU at the receiver position is get more athletic. We
Speaker 3: want to get more guys that wiggle, more guys at
Speaker 3: that shake that can build it off of man coverage
Speaker 3: and put our offense in a better position. We think
Speaker 3: that's that's Junkyard Dockson.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, it's all hypothetical. The good news here is
Speaker 1: what we saw from Spencer Sanders from Oklahoma State, a quarterback.
Speaker 1: We're quite proud of his progress and how he is
Speaker 1: ascending up the college football ranks at quarterback. We saw
Speaker 1: we saw him throw for four hundred yards against Texas
Speaker 1: last year, throw four touchdowns, averaging ten yards per attempt,
Speaker 1: and then how he finished the season leading the Pokes
Speaker 1: to a forty two to three win over Baylor, and
Speaker 1: just I mean it was three touchdowns, it was eleven
Speaker 1: yards an attempt, completing almost seventy percent of his p is
Speaker 1: the bowl game against Miami with first round talent on
Speaker 1: that defense, another seventy percent almost completion rate, three hundred
Speaker 1: plus yards, four touchdowns, no picks. We're talking about a
Speaker 1: growth at quarterback that isn't hypothetical. It's something that we
Speaker 1: are already seeing seeing guys develop like Tylan Wallace. We're
Speaker 1: seeing guys develop Dylan Stone or marcel Aateman. These guys
Speaker 1: are accomplished on both the college level and making names
Speaker 1: for themselves on the pro level. We can't control that,
Speaker 1: but obviously the way they contributed to us here in
Speaker 1: Stillwater and in the Big Twelve, we're always quite impressed
Speaker 1: looking back at what they've done for us in these
Speaker 1: last couple of years. So it's not a hypothetical for us.
Speaker 1: We are showing and proving that, and we have been
Speaker 1: able to despite offers from other schools, huge schools, that
Speaker 1: we were able to keep Casey done here in the
Speaker 1: fold up. Lee done a great job. Now just Casey done,
Speaker 1: Casey Dunn. Maybe it's Casey Lee done. Who knows who's
Speaker 1: to say, but I just have Casey done here, and
Speaker 1: I just it makes sense to me. And there's something
Speaker 1: about still in college football with you know, Fort Worth
Speaker 1: great place, an unbelievable city, and you know that the
Speaker 1: DFW area is a cowboys town. I'd love to say
Speaker 1: it's an Oklahoma State cowboys town, but it's a pro
Speaker 1: sports town. And I mean, frankly, there are more ut people.
Speaker 1: They are more Oklahoma people in the DFW area, and
Speaker 1: understandably so TSU's a tiny, little private school. It's a
Speaker 1: cute story obviously, and you know, you maybe fired it's
Speaker 1: a small school nine ten thousand kids in Texas, you
Speaker 1: have fifty thousand. Now you just numbers wise, TCUs, it's
Speaker 1: going to be tough to compete, and I get it.
Speaker 1: And you can be a little froggy or a blood frog.
Speaker 1: You know, it's hard to keep track, but you could
Speaker 1: be a cowboy pistol pee. There's just something about especially
Speaker 1: with the nil stuff coming through. This is a college town.
Speaker 1: You can be the face of a college town, not
Speaker 1: just another person in the DFW area. You can Wow,
Speaker 1: I'll just I'm just spitballing here, Ty, in terms of
Speaker 1: the opportunities available, do you want to be the face
Speaker 1: of Little Shop of Flowers, Spin City Laundry? Don Evans
Speaker 1: window Tints, Balance coffee crouches, heating and cooling, whatever it
Speaker 1: is that does it for you. You are going to be influential.
Speaker 1: Don Evan, Oklahoma, Don Evans window Tint, look it up.
Speaker 1: The reviews are fantastic and we'd love to be involved, Don.
Speaker 1: I've spoken to Don. He'd love to be involved more
Speaker 1: with the program. So there is something exceptional. He's being
Speaker 1: face Boone pickens that Don, Yeah, yeah, yeah, So I
Speaker 1: think you know, I have a number of friends who
Speaker 1: have been to Fort Worth, have attended TCU, and they
Speaker 1: have nothing but great things to say, and I'm taking
Speaker 1: them at their work. It looks fantastic. But playing in
Speaker 1: a big rivalry like Bedlam, playing on the national stage,
Speaker 1: you know, guys getting drafted into the NFL at quarterback,
Speaker 1: there's just it's a different level. And that's why we
Speaker 1: see you as a different level wide receiver. It just fits.
Speaker 1: The facilities are second to none because of t Boone
Speaker 1: Pickens and his contributions to the program and his passion
Speaker 1: about poke football. You see all the uniforms, you see
Speaker 1: the fantastic facilities. Ye, something like six hundred and fifty
Speaker 1: million dollars. That's to the school as a whole, a
Speaker 1: big believer in both high level athletics and academics. So
Speaker 1: of course it's it's a fit. It's just we see
Speaker 1: you in your style and your personality, and you see
Speaker 1: the success that we've had with these high flying top
Speaker 1: offenses quarterback after quarterback, coordinator after coordinator, and call me crazy,
Speaker 1: it just makes sense. It just makes sense. It's a
Speaker 1: marriage made in heaven. Let me tell you what else
Speaker 1: makes sense. What makes sense is if you want to
Speaker 1: get to the NFL. If you're really serious about growing
Speaker 1: as a player, you're really serious about growing as a person,
Speaker 1: football won't last forever. You go to the place that's
Speaker 1: got the track record or doing all of those things,
Speaker 1: and you put yourself in the best best basis to succeed.
Speaker 1: Excuse me, by working under the tutelage of one Gary Patterson.
Speaker 1: We could talk a good game about Mike Gundy and
Speaker 1: the hair and ooh, that's a lot of fun. Yeah,
Speaker 1: let's talk about Gary Patterson. He's coached TCU for the
Speaker 1: last twenty years. He was hired December two thousand, been
Speaker 1: there forever. Second longest tenured coach in college football. The
Speaker 1: only one who's.
Speaker 3: Been at his place longer is Kirk Farens at IOWA.
Speaker 3: This is a guy who has coached TCU in four
Speaker 3: different conferences now I said it, at the top, the
Speaker 3: Whack Conference, USA, Mountain West, and Big Twelve. He's been
Speaker 3: there all along that journey. He is such an authority
Speaker 3: on college football. Dan Not only is he successful as
Speaker 3: a coach, not only is he revered by his peers
Speaker 3: in the coaching profession. He sings, he sings, he dances,
Speaker 3: He's on American idol. He's on the ESPN film room.
Speaker 3: You can watch him with your own eyes every college
Speaker 3: football National Championship. You can see him there, and you
Speaker 3: know what the other coaches are doing as he's espousing
Speaker 3: his endless wisdom. They're taking notes. They're taking notes. We
Speaker 3: saw it with Major apple White a couple of years ago.
Speaker 3: Gary Patterson is seated right next to him. Nobody can
Speaker 3: get a word in edgewise because Coach Patterson just sees
Speaker 3: the game. He's like John Nash in a beautiful mind.
Speaker 3: He sees it sure the way he sweats a little
Speaker 3: bit more too, he sees it in a way that
Speaker 3: many coaches do not. He is an authority on all
Speaker 3: things college football. He's an authority on that development aspect
Speaker 3: that I think is just so vital in getting you
Speaker 3: to the next level. Well, if you're looking for a
Speaker 3: coach who can't stop talking, may I tell you about
Speaker 3: coach Mike Gundhy. No, obviously, Coach Gundy's been there, been
Speaker 3: in Stillwater since two thousand and five. He lives and
Speaker 3: breathes poke football Oklahoma State. Of course, he played for
Speaker 3: the school. He's been involved in the school.
Speaker 1: Obviously, some people think he's a bit of a joke
Speaker 1: because of the I'm a man, I'm forty, But we're
Speaker 1: talking about somebody who goes to the mat for his players,
Speaker 1: talking to somebody who believes and having their back, and
Speaker 1: me using the phrase having their back and going to
Speaker 1: the mat. It's not an accident because still Water also
Speaker 1: the home of the National Wrestling Hall of Fame. It's
Speaker 1: a hold on. It's a big time school, well, big
Speaker 1: time athletics.
Speaker 3: Wasn't there an instance where the star running back for
Speaker 3: Oklahoma State was so dismayed by the handling of certain events,
Speaker 3: particularly as they related to Mike Gundy, that he was
Speaker 3: willing to sit out last year, that he took a
Speaker 3: really hard line was very open in the media against
Speaker 3: Mike Gundy. Is that the kind of player coach relationship
Speaker 3: that is cultivated at Oklahoma State?
Speaker 2: Is that the norm? Or is you know, what should
Speaker 2: what should the junks expect from this?
Speaker 1: It's a great question, Ty, and I can tell you
Speaker 1: this coach Gundhy's looking at twenty twenty as a learning experience.
Speaker 1: He absolutely is. And one of the great things about
Speaker 1: Oklahoma State is it's a place where somebody like Chewba
Speaker 1: Hubbard is out spoken, is developed. Is somebody he feels
Speaker 1: comfortable in an environment to speak up and say, you
Speaker 1: know what, something is wrong here. We need to fix
Speaker 1: this program from the inside. And somebody like that. That's
Speaker 1: a man of Oklahoma State. That's somebody who represents Oklahoma
Speaker 1: State exceptionally well. And Mike Gundy absolutely did not meet
Speaker 1: his own standard in what he did in twenty twenty.
Speaker 1: But I can tell you this, he is reinvigorated. He
Speaker 1: is reinvigorated as a coach. We all tie. I'm not
Speaker 1: going to tell me tell you I'm perfect. I don't
Speaker 1: think you would tell me you're perfect. We all need
Speaker 1: wake up calls. And that's what twenty twenty was for
Speaker 1: coach Gundhy and Chewba Hubbard in the family of Oklahoma
Speaker 1: State was able to help him wake up.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 1: Look, if you're gonna use that against Oklahoma State, that's
Speaker 1: a tactic. I you know, that's a TCU tactic. I guess,
Speaker 1: but tactic. It's a TCU tactic. It's a sort of Look,
Speaker 1: if you're a private school, if you're a small school
Speaker 1: and you're punching up, I get you. You got to
Speaker 1: do whatever it takes. I get it.
Speaker 2: Tie.
Speaker 1: I get it, I absolutely do. But you know when
Speaker 1: I'm sitting here in front of the docks and this
Speaker 1: is the docsins, excuse me, they're they're just they're classy people.
Speaker 1: Tie the doctions. They see through this weeder dogs. That's
Speaker 1: what that sounded like, the junkyard docksons. Yeah.
Speaker 3: What what's the status of the Oklahoma State football facilities in?
Speaker 1: I mean, they're fantastic? How phenomenal? How fantastic? How phenomenal?
Speaker 2: Tell me? Do I want to know more before I
Speaker 2: send my son there?
Speaker 1: Sure? I want to know more about the facilities. What
Speaker 1: are we what are we getting ourselves? The locker rooms
Speaker 1: are wonderful, the weight rooms are incredible, the uniforms, just
Speaker 1: the combination upon combinations. We're here to help you pop.
Speaker 1: You look good, you feel good, you play good. And
Speaker 1: that's something about Oklahoma State that we're creative. We want
Speaker 1: guys to stand out. We want the Oklahoma State football
Speaker 1: program to stand out. We are we do whatever it
Speaker 1: takes to help differentiate ourselves because we feel like in Stillwater,
Speaker 1: Oklahoma State is a different place. Different and so whether
Speaker 1: you know whether you're you're mingling with fans at Eskimo
Speaker 1: Joe's a legendary, legendary haunt in still Water that's up
Speaker 1: there with the best of places in the country in
Speaker 1: terms of college food, eats, drinks, whatever I know Fort
Speaker 1: Worth has and it's more of a honky tonk town.
Speaker 1: If you want to, you know, go varsity at the
Speaker 1: two step over there. Billy Bob's, I believe, is the
Speaker 1: place that's good, that's cool, follow your path. Everybody has
Speaker 1: their own journey. But there's just something. It's big time
Speaker 1: college football and still Water in Oklahoma State, and this
Speaker 1: is what we're selling here, We're selling the big time Well.
Speaker 3: Gary Patterson wanted to make more of a light experience,
Speaker 3: let's say, in the facilities. So in effect they built
Speaker 3: their own Dave and Busters full on arcade, all sorts
Speaker 3: of cool games trying to lighten the mood. Football is fun,
Speaker 3: Football is serious business. We obviously all take this seriously.
Speaker 3: At the same time, you got to be a kid. Man,
Speaker 3: got to be a kid. You gotta have fun out there.
Speaker 1: If you're not having fun, as you said, you got
Speaker 1: to look good, you gotta feel good, you gotta play good.
Speaker 2: All three things need to work together.
Speaker 3: So let's build an arcade in our facilities make people
Speaker 3: feel good about it. Let's build facilities that are so
Speaker 3: top notch, so top arch If you're looking to attract children,
Speaker 3: it's the move. It's absolutely the move to attract children
Speaker 3: and adult weirdos. To build an arcade.
Speaker 1: News Slash Newslash. These kind of our children and adult
Speaker 1: weirdos end of the side, we're talking about young men.
Speaker 1: We're talking about molding these teenagers into young men. And
Speaker 1: if for you that's galaga and tech in, that's cool.
Speaker 3: Also, these facilities are so advanced across the board, not
Speaker 3: just the arcade.
Speaker 1: The arcade is something that people gravitate towards. These facilities
Speaker 1: are so advanced that some NFL reporters who have been
Speaker 1: on site have gone around and told their peers, like, yo,
Speaker 1: these might be better facilities than most NFL teams.
Speaker 2: It's that advance.
Speaker 3: At TCU, they've really put a strong commitment into bettering
Speaker 3: their facilities, making sure that all the players have nothing
Speaker 3: but the best at their disposal. It's one of the
Speaker 3: ways that they were able to get into these bigger
Speaker 3: and better conferences over the years by demonstrating time and
Speaker 3: again that they've got a real serious, ongoing commitment to
Speaker 3: the football program. And so you can trace that line
Speaker 3: all the way back to when Gary Patterson started, all
Speaker 3: the way back in the Halcyon days of the Whack
Speaker 3: right when he coached one game at the end of
Speaker 3: the year, through Conference USA, through the Mountain West, all
Speaker 3: the way up into the Big Twelve. That through line
Speaker 3: has always been incremental upgrades, finding ways to make the
Speaker 3: program ever so slightly better from year to year to
Speaker 3: year to year. And that's where we're at now. The
Speaker 3: facilities are second to none, second to none. Yeah, I
Speaker 3: think TCU is using those facilities wisely because you don't
Speaker 3: just get to four, five, six wins every year in
Speaker 3: dilapidated facilities. And so TCU has a six win program.
Speaker 3: They're doing what it takes behind the scenes. And hats
Speaker 3: off to Gary, your shirts off to Gary, whatever it is,
Speaker 3: whatever cartoonish thing Gary Patterson is doing these days, but
Speaker 3: just winning games, developing players. I think that's what we're
Speaker 3: focused on here at Oklahoma State. I just, you know,
Speaker 3: whatever it is, the arcades, the second to none, the
Speaker 3: NFL reporters, this is all. It's all external tie. We're
Speaker 3: a tightened family here at Oklahoma State, and we focus
Speaker 3: on football, well, focus on the development of young men
Speaker 3: here and again it's fantastic arcades children. Whatever it is
Speaker 3: that you were going on and on about TCU, I
Speaker 3: think it's great. I think it's great for some people,
Speaker 3: but for big time receivers like Junkyard Docks and we're
Speaker 3: focused on some bigger, real life stuff, that's all. Mike
Speaker 3: Gundy's been at Oklahoma State for fifteen seasons now sometimes lane's.
Speaker 1: Two thousand and five. Yes, heavily invest.
Speaker 3: Fifteen seasons, only six double digit win seasons. So we
Speaker 3: can talk a great game about Yeah, you know, you
Speaker 3: got to spend all that money to get the six wins,
Speaker 3: But I don't see a whole lot here on this
Speaker 3: coaching resume that excites me.
Speaker 2: Dan.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, if Oklahoma State were a Mountain West
Speaker 1: Pro Conference USA, whack is that what you were talking about?
Speaker 1: You know, those numbers might look a little bit bit different.
Speaker 1: But again, it's it's a big time program and always
Speaker 1: has been. And I think it's really nice that TCU
Speaker 1: has found its way. You know, it took sort of
Speaker 1: stops and starts to this level. But uh, it's gonna
Speaker 1: take some time for Gary Patterson to fully get used
Speaker 1: to things, playing playing big ball. That's all. That's okay,
Speaker 1: hmm okay, So I like there is there anything else?
Speaker 1: Selling Point TCU Quarterbacks? Fort Worth? You really haven't mentioned?
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 3: I don't really I feel like about fort Worth, to
Speaker 3: be perfectly, I know. Here's what I know about fort Worth.
Speaker 3: Here's I know about for the only thing I know
Speaker 3: about fort Worth I've never been there.
Speaker 1: I wanted to go.
Speaker 2: I have a chance.
Speaker 1: With weird Dad, I've been down there a bunch of times.
Speaker 1: I've never had a chance to go. So I'm not
Speaker 1: even gonna try to fake it. Call me out if
Speaker 1: you want, I don't care. All I've been told about
Speaker 1: fort Worth is that you've heard of the wild West.
Speaker 1: The wild West starts in Texas.
Speaker 2: Anyway, when you get to fort Worth.
Speaker 1: Doesn't start in Dallas. It starts in fort Worth. Is
Speaker 1: that is that accurate? That's something that you've heard. I
Speaker 1: couldn't tell you either way. Have you been? People's experience was?
Speaker 1: I have been a fort Worth and I enjoyed it.
Speaker 1: It's nice. I'd love to go.
Speaker 2: We didn't. We didn't have a chance.
Speaker 1: Anytime I've been to Texas and never had a chance
Speaker 1: to go. No, it's a it's a good place. Have
Speaker 1: you been a still Water? No, I haven't been a
Speaker 1: still Water. I've been to Norman. Interesting, what your thoughts
Speaker 1: about everywhere? Uh, Norman's fine, Fine, it's fine, It's good.
Speaker 1: A ringing endorsement for the state of Oklahoma. Norman was, well,
Speaker 1: I mean, Norman's right outside of Oklahoma City. It's a
Speaker 1: little bit different. It's a different experience. I'm just telling
Speaker 1: you right now, Oklahoma State is big time athletics. We're
Speaker 1: about to see what the number one overall NBA draft pick.
Speaker 1: There's a gravity to Stillwater. There's a gravity to Oklahoma State.
Speaker 1: The best of the best find themselves at Oklahoma State. Sure,
Speaker 1: am I taking credit for Kaid Cunningham. I'm not. I'm
Speaker 1: just telling you about the gravity and what it means
Speaker 1: to be a poke and kid. Cunningham saw this experience
Speaker 1: in Stillwater and said, you know what, I want to
Speaker 1: be a part of it. I want to be a
Speaker 1: part of it. Big time basketball player, big time wrestlers.
Speaker 1: It just keeps happening over and over again. That big
Speaker 1: time means a big move to still Water. Ironically enough,
Speaker 1: nothing stays still at stillwater. It's always moving. We're always
Speaker 1: moving here. Did you just make that up?
Speaker 2: You just made that? I did?
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was pretty good.
Speaker 2: I like that.
Speaker 1: Thank you?
Speaker 2: All right?
Speaker 1: Well, Solid Verbal at gmail dot com is email right in.
Speaker 1: Unload on us.
Speaker 3: Let us know your thoughts on how we did with
Speaker 3: this here argument. We will also obviously be posting to
Speaker 3: all of our social channels where you can again weigh
Speaker 3: in and tell me how delusional I am.
Speaker 1: For the last five years, TCU has not produced a
Speaker 1: top fifty offense. I just I worry about Junkyard Dockson
Speaker 1: like I'm going. It's gonna keep me up nights a
Speaker 1: little bit. If if you make a choice to go
Speaker 1: to TCU, like, how do you showcase your receiver skills
Speaker 1: if you can't get the ball?
Speaker 3: See, you're still recruiting, and I stopped about five minutes ago.
Speaker 2: No, I just that's we're at a lot.
Speaker 1: I thought I've given this. Look, this is me diving
Speaker 1: inside the stuff, tie inside the stuff. I can't tell
Speaker 1: when you stopped recruiting. I'm always recruiting here, Tye twenty
Speaker 1: four to seven.
Speaker 3: I mean the line would have been, you can't tell
Speaker 3: when I started recruiting that would have been the line.
Speaker 2: But you can keep doing for next time.
Speaker 1: I would still done.
Speaker 2: We're done.
Speaker 1: I like, I like done, like Casey Casey Lee done.
Speaker 2: I like your argument.
Speaker 3: I think it's I think this was the hardest pairing
Speaker 3: that we've had because all the other ones, the two
Speaker 3: schools that we've done before, in both cases, right, we
Speaker 3: just had more material to work with. So recruiting a
Speaker 3: wide receiver to either of these two schools was inherently
Speaker 3: much more difficult because they're just not as big a programs,
Speaker 3: are not as steep with rich recent college football success.
Speaker 3: Those harder is much harder.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, but the good thing about this one
Speaker 1: is they're similar too. TCU in Oklahoma State similar in
Speaker 1: that they have had big successes that have not carried
Speaker 1: over to two three four year runs. But what TCU
Speaker 1: is in the twenty sixteen they demolished ole Miss in
Speaker 1: that was twenty fourteen, but they demolished Old Miss like
Speaker 1: forty two to three in Peach Bowl, I believe. And
Speaker 1: Oklahoma State went to the Sugar Bowl that was twenty sixteen,
Speaker 1: also against ole Miss, and Oklahoma State lost that game.
Speaker 1: So the you know, you have Trevon Boykin twenty fourteen.
Speaker 1: You have higher highs. Oklahoma State has more offensive firepower,
Speaker 1: but TCU, you know, they win the Rose Bowl. There's
Speaker 1: just a higher ceiling. I would say that I would
Speaker 1: push I would have pushed TCU just on bigger stages,
Speaker 1: more often, in bigger national conversations. But you know, Oklahoma
Speaker 1: State was number two in the country before they lost
Speaker 1: to Iowa State. So they're very similar, which I think
Speaker 1: makes it like my job as a Michigan recruiter was
Speaker 1: harder against Ohio State, and yours as Georgia was probably
Speaker 1: a little less hard against Alabama, just because, yeah, competing
Speaker 1: for similar recruits. But Oklahoma State and TCU I think
Speaker 1: have similar sites, similar sites.
Speaker 3: I'll tell you what was interesting to me going back
Speaker 3: and reading up on Doug Meacham. So, Doug Meacham, you
Speaker 3: skipped over the Kansas part.
Speaker 1: I noticed that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I skipped over the Kansas part.
Speaker 3: I didn't hammer you on that. Yeah, skipped over the
Speaker 3: Kansas part. That was entirely by design. But Doug Meacham
Speaker 3: had been paired with Sonny Comby right in Sunny Cumby.
Speaker 2: It depends where you read.
Speaker 3: There's actually a pretty wide spectrum of how fans view those.
Speaker 1: Two coordinators and what their roles were. The Doug Meacham
Speaker 1: thing was interesting because I found an old interview that
Speaker 1: our friends over at Frogs of War did before Meacham.
Speaker 1: I guess it was immediately after Meacham was hired as
Speaker 1: part of the new Kansas Football State and the question
Speaker 1: that was posed to the Frog's War writer, whom I
Speaker 1: do not remember his or her name, what's this guy like?
Speaker 3: What should we expect? And though it took a very
Speaker 3: positive tone and sung the praises of Doug meetchim, his
Speaker 3: ability to be aggressive, his ability to develop talent, his
Speaker 3: ability to make things better than they were when he started,
Speaker 3: there was also a distinct tone of negativity. And it
Speaker 3: all came back to a third and one play I
Speaker 3: want to say against Texas Tech, where they ran a
Speaker 3: double reverse and it was like and I remember that
Speaker 3: play because we talked about it. It never dawned on
Speaker 3: me that it stuck in the craw of TCU fans
Speaker 3: quite the way.
Speaker 1: Well, you have that, right with a notre dame, like
Speaker 1: an individual or an individual moment. Everybody has that. But
Speaker 1: my point is no, for sure.
Speaker 3: But my point is that everywhere I read about Doug Meatchum,
Speaker 3: that specific play kept coming up, that specific play kept
Speaker 3: coming up. That and and in this particular interview again
Speaker 3: and our friends Frogs of War go check them out
Speaker 3: a great TCU site. They talk about how, yes, he
Speaker 3: did great work with Josh Doson, but on the same note,
Speaker 3: it was almost like he forced the ball to him
Speaker 3: too much, like everything had to go through Dockson. And
Speaker 3: so it was good for Dockson, it made him look good,
Speaker 3: but at the same time, it wasn't really a balanced offense.
Speaker 3: There were holes in that offense because it was so
Speaker 3: one dimensional. So I tried to spend that as best
Speaker 3: I could. I think in either case, you could do
Speaker 3: just fine as a wide receiver going to either of
Speaker 3: these two schools. Lord knows there are going to be
Speaker 3: plenty of opportunities in an air raid or air raid
Speaker 3: like system to get yours if you are a standout
Speaker 3: wide receiver. I think that's ultimately what it comes down to.
Speaker 3: You probably will have, at least if recent memory is
Speaker 3: any indication, a better opportunity to play with a better
Speaker 3: quarterback if you go to Oklahoma State, because that's been
Speaker 3: a huge, a huge con on the whole TCU program
Speaker 3: over the last five years. So maybe Max Duggan will
Speaker 3: be better in twenty twenty.
Speaker 2: I don't know. I hope or we're fans.
Speaker 1: Of Max, it does on the TCU poster will be
Speaker 1: BETTERCU poster. He's shown flat, he's for sure shown flashes,
Speaker 1: and he's a great dual thread in that you know,
Speaker 1: thirst you can get fourteen with his legs. But yeah,
Speaker 1: there have been some some questionable stretches, So we'll see.
Speaker 1: We'll see where it goes.
Speaker 3: If if Max Duggan goes out there and has a
Speaker 3: banner year, perhaps this is an easier recruiting pitch to make.
Speaker 3: But I still like that just set up of putting
Speaker 3: yourself in a Gary Patterson system at a school that
Speaker 3: we know does have a track record for placement of talent,
Speaker 3: for development of talent. The other thing that I didn't
Speaker 3: really mentioned here because I don't know how corners all right,
Speaker 3: Oh sure, I didn't know how to spin the fact
Speaker 3: that TCU is is not typically a powerhouse when it
Speaker 3: comes to recruiting. But one of the ways that Patterson
Speaker 3: has made his name is by developing that talent. So
Speaker 3: how do you pitch that to a kid who is
Speaker 3: like a four star obviously thinks he's that's easy.
Speaker 1: How do you pitch that? How would you have pitched that? Well,
Speaker 1: you say, look what we've done with guys who were
Speaker 1: not as physically ready for the sport as you are
Speaker 1: Junkyard docks, and look, look we turned them into Imagine
Speaker 1: what we could do with you. The potential is tantalizing, right, tantalizing? Okay,
Speaker 1: tantalizing potential. And TCU has had some good classes, they have,
Speaker 1: they've resonated pretty well on the trail so much lately,
Speaker 1: but yeah, it's been less so fairpoint. I feel like
Speaker 1: whatever the year is with sheewoh alona lua, is that
Speaker 1: how that was pronounced those classes in that time? Maybe
Speaker 1: it was like twenty fifteen, twenty sixteen, twenty fourteen. I
Speaker 1: think they took advantage pretty well. You also didn't mention
Speaker 1: that TCU was beating Oklahoma State what three or four years.
Speaker 1: I don't think you mentioned that that. For all of
Speaker 1: my talk of big time football, TAC has recently owned
Speaker 1: the back and forth.
Speaker 3: Can we submit that as exhibit A?
Speaker 1: I don't think that's I don't think you can do
Speaker 1: it after the fact. Yeah, the Gundhy is a wild
Speaker 1: card thing. The quotes that he was he would call
Speaker 1: players by their numbers, not their names. I was prepared
Speaker 1: to address that, but I expected to hear that from you,
Speaker 1: that sort of negative recruiting, that like, how can you
Speaker 1: play for a guy who treats you as a number
Speaker 1: and not a name? My other my other angle was
Speaker 1: going to be to just flat out make stuff up.
Speaker 1: But I always have to. I don't think I have to.
Speaker 3: I was surprised that you did not come back when
Speaker 3: I started talking about the ESPN Film Room. Gundhy's been
Speaker 3: on those things a bunch of times too, he hasn't.
Speaker 1: I don't think it doesn't. It doesn't register with me
Speaker 1: as being important till a sixteen year old, seventeen year
Speaker 1: old it's on TV is important. Yeah, but they're not
Speaker 1: watching it like they're not watching they didn't watch. No,
Speaker 1: we aren't watching the film room. You're just watching the game.
Speaker 1: If you're sixteen seventeen, maybe after the facts, maybe they
Speaker 1: show it to you on your official visit.
Speaker 2: No.
Speaker 1: I definitely think a small private Christian university is going
Speaker 1: to have a different feel on an official visit than
Speaker 1: a huge school. Oklahoma state isn't Texas size, but I
Speaker 1: think it's about thirty thousand, so it's three times the size.
Speaker 1: So I wanted to push that. I wanted to push,
Speaker 1: you know, because big time in your DFW Greater area
Speaker 1: in Denton and the Blennikoff stuff that I mean, the
Speaker 1: TCU offense to me, and this is something we'll get
Speaker 1: into more in the preview. It's just like, I don't
Speaker 1: know how you whiff on a quarterback at a school
Speaker 1: in Texas. I know it is one, Well what about.
Speaker 2: The University of Texas? What about you.
Speaker 1: Till they've gotten big commitments? And like Sam Ellinger was
Speaker 1: pretty good. Yeah, and he played starter for four years, right,
Speaker 1: I just I mean, I know it's difficult choosing the
Speaker 1: right guy and figuring it out how you know, to
Speaker 1: uh to uh to predict what they're gonna do. It's
Speaker 1: very tough. But yeah, the TCU offense. And there's like
Speaker 1: something I really don't like it when schools are just like,
Speaker 1: well it worked with these guys five years ago. Let's
Speaker 1: like roll it back with Doug Meatrim or roll it
Speaker 1: back with you know, sunny compies. I think of Texas Tech,
Speaker 1: but I'm like I don't know. I think you have
Speaker 1: to evolve. I think you have to find, you know,
Speaker 1: up and comers. And that's what I liked about Gundy
Speaker 1: with You're sick and Holgerson and you know, dipping into Houston,
Speaker 1: dipping into Division too, dipping into you know, Todd Munkin
Speaker 1: coming over from the NFL. Like there's a creativity about
Speaker 1: Oklahoma State and that offense, and they're they're both in
Speaker 1: weird places though, because Oklahoma State's offense has never been
Speaker 1: this bad. I expected you to hit that. I expected
Speaker 1: you to hit Spencer Sanders throwing interceptions. I saw Oklahoma
Speaker 1: State something like eighty first in points per drive last year.
Speaker 1: Uh and I spun it as far the past five years,
Speaker 1: finishing with the top fifty offense.
Speaker 2: But interesting, Okay, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I expected I expected you to hit. I was gonna
Speaker 1: hit back, but I didn't get that initial that initial damage.
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Speaker 2: Okay, that's not bad.
Speaker 1: I don't know d by Stillwater High School. So what
Speaker 1: was the other business I mentioned? Balanced coffee and crouches
Speaker 1: heating and cooling crouches heating, And I actually think that
Speaker 1: is interesting, Like you brought up the Ohio state thing
Speaker 1: with nil and like Columbus is going to be a
Speaker 1: good place.
Speaker 2: And people supported that.
Speaker 1: By the way. People wrote in and said that I
Speaker 1: was actually selling Columbus short as a hub for business.
Speaker 1: We heard from people who worked for who work for
Speaker 1: Ohio State in the athletic department saying, ty, you're killing
Speaker 1: us here.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a shit. That's a shit.
Speaker 1: I think where I think. I was listening to our
Speaker 1: friend Ari Wasserman's podcast, It's an Ohio State show. He
Speaker 1: had Brian Windhorst on, and he brought up a good
Speaker 1: point that it's not necessarily the market, but it's the
Speaker 1: rabid fandom of the people in that market about that
Speaker 1: school that will help dictate how much a player might
Speaker 1: be worth endorsing or selling or appearing in commercials, whatever. Whereas,
Speaker 1: even though a place like USC is in LA and
Speaker 1: bigger than Columbus or bigger than Stillwater or bigger than
Speaker 1: you know, Clemson, I don't you name it Lubbock, the
Speaker 1: people in LA by and large do not care about
Speaker 1: USC football unless it's like playing for national championship year
Speaker 1: in and year out. And Pete Carroll's a charismatic guy. There
Speaker 1: are many USC fans, but you're competing against the Los
Speaker 1: Angeles Lakers, right, and the LA Dodgers. Whereas if you're
Speaker 1: in Columbus and I don't know how well the Blue
Speaker 1: Jackets are or were received or whatever. But like Columbus
Speaker 1: is only Ohio State and the state of Ohio is
Speaker 1: ninety whatever it is. I'm sure there are Cincinnati fans
Speaker 1: and Bobcat fans whatever, but that's an Ohio State state.
Speaker 1: So there is something about where in relation to how
Speaker 1: influential team fandom is that I think you didn't hit
Speaker 1: on with Columbus. That was should have been a direction
Speaker 1: you went on. Not that like Columbus has all these
Speaker 1: huge corporations, but like Ohio State is the team in
Speaker 1: the state. There are Bengals and Browns fans, and maybe
Speaker 1: the Browns are I don't know, it's probably not the
Speaker 1: Indians or whatever the baseball team is called now. It
Speaker 1: should be the Spiders, right, that's a thing that people
Speaker 1: have talked about going back to that name. But yeah,
Speaker 1: maybe it was the Calves briefly with Lebron. But like,
Speaker 1: I think that the magnitude of fandom has to be
Speaker 1: the hardest, has to be the fiercest for Ohio State.
Speaker 1: So I think that's that's the angle with how we
Speaker 1: talk about nil is like how influential are a team's
Speaker 1: players in this market, the heavyweight metro market.
Speaker 2: Yeah, who's the heavyweight.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so that's just it's going to be tougher like,
Speaker 1: Like it'll be easier for a Texas player because they're
Speaker 1: the show in Austin and a Texas A and M
Speaker 1: player maybe, although the proximity to Houston isn't necessarily an advantage,
Speaker 1: but in those like diehard college college college towns, Eugene, Oregon,
Speaker 1: South Bend, whatever, I think that it's gonna it's gonna
Speaker 1: resonate more as an influencer and an endorser.
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