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Speaker 3: to said discord server Dan. Yeah, what is our show today? Well,

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Speaker 3: Texas receiver Jake Smith entered the transfer portal, and I

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Speaker 1: This is our newest episode of the Hard Sell, which

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Speaker 1: Oklahoma State. You have I think romantic and lust full

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Speaker 1: history with TCU. I have nothing either way with Oklahoma State,

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Speaker 1: You're representing TCU, and we are going to even though

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Speaker 3: Thank you exactly. The position, the name of the recruit,

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Speaker 1: And it's just he wants to stay relatively close to home,

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Speaker 1: This is why Oklahoma State and TCU really do appeal

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Speaker 2: Let's play the.

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Speaker 1: Music's do it.

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Speaker 2: Hopefully this gets the juices flowing.

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Speaker 3: Dan, I should have you know that I got a

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Speaker 3: very reserved phone call from Mama H shortly after our

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Speaker 2: At these episodes.

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Speaker 1: This is not your wheelhouse. And then we got a comment,

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Speaker 1: Well, I mean recruiting is it's dogg eat dog and

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Speaker 1: Junkyard Docks and do you go by Junk? Can we

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Speaker 1: j Junker Junkyard Jay if you want Jyard JJ Docks.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, whatever, whatever works for you, mister junk Junk is fine.

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Speaker 3: You know, the college experience is all about growth, It's

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Speaker 1: It's about you jumping in here. Are you making the

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Speaker 3: I just want to make sure it's about getting you

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Speaker 3: But you can learn the process. You can learn the

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Speaker 3: from Gary Patterson. Gary Patterson has been at the helm

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Speaker 3: This is a program that turned into one of.

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Speaker 2: The big boys.

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Speaker 3: Dan, excuse me, Junk, turn into one of the big boys.

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Speaker 3: They bootstrapped. TCU did bootstrapped their way from the Whack

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Speaker 3: the Big Twelve. This is a growth mentality that is

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Speaker 3: on in Fort Worth. It's how they constantly produce NFL talent,

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Speaker 3: how they compete for championships, how they get you ready

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Speaker 3: feels very weirdy to say that, Docson, I don't know,

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Speaker 2: No, es, that is my opening pitch.

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Speaker 1: Bit about the Lee. It's just Casey Don Casey Lee

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Speaker 3: This is an offense that's high flying, an offense that

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Speaker 1: I'm not sure where you're getting your numbers from, because

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Speaker 2: But they like to move them around.

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Speaker 3: You said they like to move around in high school

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you want to showcase what you can do in

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Speaker 1: I'm right there with you.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, no, it's all hypothetical. The good news here is

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Speaker 1: The reviews are fantastic and we'd love to be involved, Don.

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Speaker 1: you know, guys getting drafted into the NFL at quarterback,

433
00:22:57,400 --> 00:23:00,199
Speaker 1: there's just it's a different level. And that's why we

434
00:23:00,240 --> 00:23:03,440
Speaker 1: see you as a different level wide receiver. It just fits.

435
00:23:03,720 --> 00:23:06,480
Speaker 1: The facilities are second to none because of t Boone

436
00:23:06,520 --> 00:23:09,080
Speaker 1: Pickens and his contributions to the program and his passion

437
00:23:09,359 --> 00:23:12,240
Speaker 1: about poke football. You see all the uniforms, you see

438
00:23:12,240 --> 00:23:15,720
Speaker 1: the fantastic facilities. Ye, something like six hundred and fifty

439
00:23:15,760 --> 00:23:18,840
Speaker 1: million dollars. That's to the school as a whole, a

440
00:23:18,880 --> 00:23:22,080
Speaker 1: big believer in both high level athletics and academics. So

441
00:23:22,320 --> 00:23:25,840
Speaker 1: of course it's it's a fit. It's just we see

442
00:23:25,880 --> 00:23:28,479
Speaker 1: you in your style and your personality, and you see

443
00:23:28,600 --> 00:23:31,520
Speaker 1: the success that we've had with these high flying top

444
00:23:31,560 --> 00:23:37,479
Speaker 1: offenses quarterback after quarterback, coordinator after coordinator, and call me crazy,

445
00:23:37,560 --> 00:23:39,800
Speaker 1: it just makes sense. It just makes sense. It's a

446
00:23:39,840 --> 00:23:41,360
Speaker 1: marriage made in heaven. Let me tell you what else

447
00:23:41,400 --> 00:23:43,439
Speaker 1: makes sense. What makes sense is if you want to

448
00:23:43,440 --> 00:23:46,679
Speaker 1: get to the NFL. If you're really serious about growing

449
00:23:46,680 --> 00:23:49,520
Speaker 1: as a player, you're really serious about growing as a person,

450
00:23:50,160 --> 00:23:53,680
Speaker 1: football won't last forever. You go to the place that's

451
00:23:53,680 --> 00:23:56,560
Speaker 1: got the track record or doing all of those things,

452
00:23:57,119 --> 00:24:00,719
Speaker 1: and you put yourself in the best best basis to succeed.

453
00:24:00,760 --> 00:24:04,440
Speaker 1: Excuse me, by working under the tutelage of one Gary Patterson.

454
00:24:05,240 --> 00:24:07,080
Speaker 1: We could talk a good game about Mike Gundy and

455
00:24:07,119 --> 00:24:10,440
Speaker 1: the hair and ooh, that's a lot of fun. Yeah,

456
00:24:10,520 --> 00:24:12,920
Speaker 1: let's talk about Gary Patterson. He's coached TCU for the

457
00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:18,359
Speaker 1: last twenty years. He was hired December two thousand, been

458
00:24:18,400 --> 00:24:22,840
Speaker 1: there forever. Second longest tenured coach in college football. The

459
00:24:22,880 --> 00:24:23,760
Speaker 1: only one who's.

460
00:24:23,560 --> 00:24:27,040
Speaker 3: Been at his place longer is Kirk Farens at IOWA.

461
00:24:27,720 --> 00:24:30,120
Speaker 3: This is a guy who has coached TCU in four

462
00:24:30,280 --> 00:24:33,000
Speaker 3: different conferences now I said it, at the top, the

463
00:24:33,040 --> 00:24:36,520
Speaker 3: Whack Conference, USA, Mountain West, and Big Twelve. He's been

464
00:24:36,560 --> 00:24:40,439
Speaker 3: there all along that journey. He is such an authority

465
00:24:40,880 --> 00:24:43,760
Speaker 3: on college football. Dan Not only is he successful as

466
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Speaker 3: a coach, not only is he revered by his peers

467
00:24:46,840 --> 00:24:51,000
Speaker 3: in the coaching profession. He sings, he sings, he dances,

468
00:24:51,040 --> 00:24:55,200
Speaker 3: He's on American idol. He's on the ESPN film room.

469
00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:57,760
Speaker 3: You can watch him with your own eyes every college

470
00:24:57,800 --> 00:25:00,399
Speaker 3: football National Championship. You can see him there, and you

471
00:25:00,440 --> 00:25:03,560
Speaker 3: know what the other coaches are doing as he's espousing

472
00:25:03,600 --> 00:25:07,320
Speaker 3: his endless wisdom. They're taking notes. They're taking notes. We

473
00:25:07,359 --> 00:25:09,320
Speaker 3: saw it with Major apple White a couple of years ago.

474
00:25:09,880 --> 00:25:12,439
Speaker 3: Gary Patterson is seated right next to him. Nobody can

475
00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:15,040
Speaker 3: get a word in edgewise because Coach Patterson just sees

476
00:25:15,080 --> 00:25:17,560
Speaker 3: the game. He's like John Nash in a beautiful mind.

477
00:25:17,600 --> 00:25:20,120
Speaker 3: He sees it sure the way he sweats a little

478
00:25:20,119 --> 00:25:22,359
Speaker 3: bit more too, he sees it in a way that

479
00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:25,920
Speaker 3: many coaches do not. He is an authority on all

480
00:25:25,960 --> 00:25:29,600
Speaker 3: things college football. He's an authority on that development aspect

481
00:25:29,600 --> 00:25:31,520
Speaker 3: that I think is just so vital in getting you

482
00:25:31,560 --> 00:25:34,240
Speaker 3: to the next level. Well, if you're looking for a

483
00:25:34,280 --> 00:25:39,639
Speaker 3: coach who can't stop talking, may I tell you about

484
00:25:39,680 --> 00:25:44,040
Speaker 3: coach Mike Gundhy. No, obviously, Coach Gundy's been there, been

485
00:25:44,080 --> 00:25:46,199
Speaker 3: in Stillwater since two thousand and five. He lives and

486
00:25:46,240 --> 00:25:50,119
Speaker 3: breathes poke football Oklahoma State. Of course, he played for

487
00:25:50,160 --> 00:25:52,119
Speaker 3: the school. He's been involved in the school.

488
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Speaker 1: Obviously, some people think he's a bit of a joke

489
00:25:54,040 --> 00:25:56,240
Speaker 1: because of the I'm a man, I'm forty, But we're

490
00:25:56,280 --> 00:25:59,120
Speaker 1: talking about somebody who goes to the mat for his players,

491
00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:03,960
Speaker 1: talking to somebody who believes and having their back, and

492
00:26:04,040 --> 00:26:07,040
Speaker 1: me using the phrase having their back and going to

493
00:26:07,080 --> 00:26:09,200
Speaker 1: the mat. It's not an accident because still Water also

494
00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:11,520
Speaker 1: the home of the National Wrestling Hall of Fame. It's

495
00:26:11,520 --> 00:26:14,600
Speaker 1: a hold on. It's a big time school, well, big

496
00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:15,639
Speaker 1: time athletics.

497
00:26:16,359 --> 00:26:19,919
Speaker 3: Wasn't there an instance where the star running back for

498
00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:25,800
Speaker 3: Oklahoma State was so dismayed by the handling of certain events,

499
00:26:26,359 --> 00:26:29,080
Speaker 3: particularly as they related to Mike Gundy, that he was

500
00:26:29,119 --> 00:26:32,119
Speaker 3: willing to sit out last year, that he took a

501
00:26:32,119 --> 00:26:35,639
Speaker 3: really hard line was very open in the media against

502
00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:39,720
Speaker 3: Mike Gundy. Is that the kind of player coach relationship

503
00:26:39,800 --> 00:26:42,440
Speaker 3: that is cultivated at Oklahoma State?

504
00:26:42,520 --> 00:26:44,240
Speaker 2: Is that the norm? Or is you know, what should

505
00:26:44,359 --> 00:26:46,080
Speaker 2: what should the junks expect from this?

506
00:26:46,800 --> 00:26:50,240
Speaker 1: It's a great question, Ty, and I can tell you

507
00:26:50,240 --> 00:26:52,720
Speaker 1: this coach Gundhy's looking at twenty twenty as a learning experience.

508
00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:55,440
Speaker 1: He absolutely is. And one of the great things about

509
00:26:55,480 --> 00:26:58,440
Speaker 1: Oklahoma State is it's a place where somebody like Chewba

510
00:26:58,520 --> 00:27:03,359
Speaker 1: Hubbard is out spoken, is developed. Is somebody he feels

511
00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:05,679
Speaker 1: comfortable in an environment to speak up and say, you

512
00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:08,240
Speaker 1: know what, something is wrong here. We need to fix

513
00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:12,200
Speaker 1: this program from the inside. And somebody like that. That's

514
00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:15,440
Speaker 1: a man of Oklahoma State. That's somebody who represents Oklahoma

515
00:27:15,520 --> 00:27:19,520
Speaker 1: State exceptionally well. And Mike Gundy absolutely did not meet

516
00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:22,320
Speaker 1: his own standard in what he did in twenty twenty.

517
00:27:22,359 --> 00:27:24,840
Speaker 1: But I can tell you this, he is reinvigorated. He

518
00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:27,760
Speaker 1: is reinvigorated as a coach. We all tie. I'm not

519
00:27:27,760 --> 00:27:29,760
Speaker 1: going to tell me tell you I'm perfect. I don't

520
00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:31,840
Speaker 1: think you would tell me you're perfect. We all need

521
00:27:31,880 --> 00:27:34,040
Speaker 1: wake up calls. And that's what twenty twenty was for

522
00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:37,520
Speaker 1: coach Gundhy and Chewba Hubbard in the family of Oklahoma

523
00:27:37,560 --> 00:27:39,400
Speaker 1: State was able to help him wake up.

524
00:27:39,600 --> 00:27:39,959
Speaker 2: Wow.

525
00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:43,119
Speaker 1: Look, if you're gonna use that against Oklahoma State, that's

526
00:27:43,119 --> 00:27:46,359
Speaker 1: a tactic. I you know, that's a TCU tactic. I guess,

527
00:27:46,520 --> 00:27:50,760
Speaker 1: but tactic. It's a TCU tactic. It's a sort of Look,

528
00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:53,560
Speaker 1: if you're a private school, if you're a small school

529
00:27:53,600 --> 00:27:55,159
Speaker 1: and you're punching up, I get you. You got to

530
00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:56,560
Speaker 1: do whatever it takes. I get it.

531
00:27:56,600 --> 00:27:56,919
Speaker 2: Tie.

532
00:27:56,960 --> 00:27:59,640
Speaker 1: I get it, I absolutely do. But you know when

533
00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:01,040
Speaker 1: I'm sitting here in front of the docks and this

534
00:28:01,080 --> 00:28:04,320
Speaker 1: is the docsins, excuse me, they're they're just they're classy people.

535
00:28:04,359 --> 00:28:07,400
Speaker 1: Tie the doctions. They see through this weeder dogs. That's

536
00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:10,320
Speaker 1: what that sounded like, the junkyard docksons. Yeah.

537
00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:17,159
Speaker 3: What what's the status of the Oklahoma State football facilities in?

538
00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:23,640
Speaker 1: I mean, they're fantastic? How phenomenal? How fantastic? How phenomenal?

539
00:28:23,720 --> 00:28:25,959
Speaker 2: Tell me? Do I want to know more before I

540
00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:26,960
Speaker 2: send my son there?

541
00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:29,439
Speaker 1: Sure? I want to know more about the facilities. What

542
00:28:29,440 --> 00:28:31,359
Speaker 1: are we what are we getting ourselves? The locker rooms

543
00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:34,879
Speaker 1: are wonderful, the weight rooms are incredible, the uniforms, just

544
00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:38,920
Speaker 1: the combination upon combinations. We're here to help you pop.

545
00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:40,800
Speaker 1: You look good, you feel good, you play good. And

546
00:28:40,840 --> 00:28:43,880
Speaker 1: that's something about Oklahoma State that we're creative. We want

547
00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:46,520
Speaker 1: guys to stand out. We want the Oklahoma State football

548
00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:49,000
Speaker 1: program to stand out. We are we do whatever it

549
00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:53,080
Speaker 1: takes to help differentiate ourselves because we feel like in Stillwater,

550
00:28:53,120 --> 00:28:56,640
Speaker 1: Oklahoma State is a different place. Different and so whether

551
00:28:56,880 --> 00:28:59,000
Speaker 1: you know whether you're you're mingling with fans at Eskimo

552
00:28:59,080 --> 00:29:03,320
Speaker 1: Joe's a legendary, legendary haunt in still Water that's up

553
00:29:03,320 --> 00:29:05,800
Speaker 1: there with the best of places in the country in

554
00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:09,480
Speaker 1: terms of college food, eats, drinks, whatever I know Fort

555
00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:11,640
Speaker 1: Worth has and it's more of a honky tonk town.

556
00:29:11,720 --> 00:29:13,640
Speaker 1: If you want to, you know, go varsity at the

557
00:29:13,680 --> 00:29:16,080
Speaker 1: two step over there. Billy Bob's, I believe, is the

558
00:29:16,120 --> 00:29:19,479
Speaker 1: place that's good, that's cool, follow your path. Everybody has

559
00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:22,160
Speaker 1: their own journey. But there's just something. It's big time

560
00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:24,680
Speaker 1: college football and still Water in Oklahoma State, and this

561
00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:27,560
Speaker 1: is what we're selling here, We're selling the big time Well.

562
00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:34,800
Speaker 3: Gary Patterson wanted to make more of a light experience,

563
00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:39,560
Speaker 3: let's say, in the facilities. So in effect they built

564
00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:43,520
Speaker 3: their own Dave and Busters full on arcade, all sorts

565
00:29:43,520 --> 00:29:46,280
Speaker 3: of cool games trying to lighten the mood. Football is fun,

566
00:29:46,360 --> 00:29:50,000
Speaker 3: Football is serious business. We obviously all take this seriously.

567
00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:52,160
Speaker 3: At the same time, you got to be a kid. Man,

568
00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:54,360
Speaker 3: got to be a kid. You gotta have fun out there.

569
00:29:54,360 --> 00:29:56,160
Speaker 1: If you're not having fun, as you said, you got

570
00:29:56,240 --> 00:29:57,920
Speaker 1: to look good, you gotta feel good, you gotta play good.

571
00:29:58,360 --> 00:29:59,760
Speaker 2: All three things need to work together.

572
00:30:00,520 --> 00:30:03,240
Speaker 3: So let's build an arcade in our facilities make people

573
00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:06,080
Speaker 3: feel good about it. Let's build facilities that are so

574
00:30:06,280 --> 00:30:09,920
Speaker 3: top notch, so top arch If you're looking to attract children,

575
00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:12,800
Speaker 3: it's the move. It's absolutely the move to attract children

576
00:30:12,840 --> 00:30:15,000
Speaker 3: and adult weirdos. To build an arcade.

577
00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:17,720
Speaker 1: News Slash Newslash. These kind of our children and adult

578
00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:20,400
Speaker 1: weirdos end of the side, we're talking about young men.

579
00:30:20,480 --> 00:30:23,800
Speaker 1: We're talking about molding these teenagers into young men. And

580
00:30:23,840 --> 00:30:27,520
Speaker 1: if for you that's galaga and tech in, that's cool.

581
00:30:28,280 --> 00:30:32,400
Speaker 3: Also, these facilities are so advanced across the board, not

582
00:30:32,440 --> 00:30:33,120
Speaker 3: just the arcade.

583
00:30:33,160 --> 00:30:36,720
Speaker 1: The arcade is something that people gravitate towards. These facilities

584
00:30:36,720 --> 00:30:40,520
Speaker 1: are so advanced that some NFL reporters who have been

585
00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:43,920
Speaker 1: on site have gone around and told their peers, like, yo,

586
00:30:45,320 --> 00:30:48,000
Speaker 1: these might be better facilities than most NFL teams.

587
00:30:48,680 --> 00:30:49,479
Speaker 2: It's that advance.

588
00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:53,840
Speaker 3: At TCU, they've really put a strong commitment into bettering

589
00:30:53,840 --> 00:30:56,800
Speaker 3: their facilities, making sure that all the players have nothing

590
00:30:56,840 --> 00:30:59,360
Speaker 3: but the best at their disposal. It's one of the

591
00:30:59,360 --> 00:31:01,480
Speaker 3: ways that they were able to get into these bigger

592
00:31:01,480 --> 00:31:04,680
Speaker 3: and better conferences over the years by demonstrating time and

593
00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:07,120
Speaker 3: again that they've got a real serious, ongoing commitment to

594
00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:10,560
Speaker 3: the football program. And so you can trace that line

595
00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:13,400
Speaker 3: all the way back to when Gary Patterson started, all

596
00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:16,320
Speaker 3: the way back in the Halcyon days of the Whack

597
00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:18,640
Speaker 3: right when he coached one game at the end of

598
00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:23,400
Speaker 3: the year, through Conference USA, through the Mountain West, all

599
00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:25,720
Speaker 3: the way up into the Big Twelve. That through line

600
00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:30,200
Speaker 3: has always been incremental upgrades, finding ways to make the

601
00:31:30,240 --> 00:31:33,480
Speaker 3: program ever so slightly better from year to year to

602
00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:35,400
Speaker 3: year to year. And that's where we're at now. The

603
00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:40,440
Speaker 3: facilities are second to none, second to none. Yeah, I

604
00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:45,520
Speaker 3: think TCU is using those facilities wisely because you don't

605
00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:48,360
Speaker 3: just get to four, five, six wins every year in

606
00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:51,600
Speaker 3: dilapidated facilities. And so TCU has a six win program.

607
00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:54,400
Speaker 3: They're doing what it takes behind the scenes. And hats

608
00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:56,600
Speaker 3: off to Gary, your shirts off to Gary, whatever it is,

609
00:31:56,800 --> 00:31:59,800
Speaker 3: whatever cartoonish thing Gary Patterson is doing these days, but

610
00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:04,040
Speaker 3: just winning games, developing players. I think that's what we're

611
00:32:04,040 --> 00:32:06,320
Speaker 3: focused on here at Oklahoma State. I just, you know,

612
00:32:06,840 --> 00:32:08,880
Speaker 3: whatever it is, the arcades, the second to none, the

613
00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:13,440
Speaker 3: NFL reporters, this is all. It's all external tie. We're

614
00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:16,040
Speaker 3: a tightened family here at Oklahoma State, and we focus

615
00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:18,480
Speaker 3: on football, well, focus on the development of young men

616
00:32:18,520 --> 00:32:23,320
Speaker 3: here and again it's fantastic arcades children. Whatever it is

617
00:32:23,360 --> 00:32:25,560
Speaker 3: that you were going on and on about TCU, I

618
00:32:25,560 --> 00:32:27,920
Speaker 3: think it's great. I think it's great for some people,

619
00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:31,440
Speaker 3: but for big time receivers like Junkyard Docks and we're

620
00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:34,800
Speaker 3: focused on some bigger, real life stuff, that's all. Mike

621
00:32:34,840 --> 00:32:39,360
Speaker 3: Gundy's been at Oklahoma State for fifteen seasons now sometimes lane's.

622
00:32:39,120 --> 00:32:41,080
Speaker 1: Two thousand and five. Yes, heavily invest.

623
00:32:40,800 --> 00:32:45,840
Speaker 3: Fifteen seasons, only six double digit win seasons. So we

624
00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:48,160
Speaker 3: can talk a great game about Yeah, you know, you

625
00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:50,040
Speaker 3: got to spend all that money to get the six wins,

626
00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:53,240
Speaker 3: But I don't see a whole lot here on this

627
00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:55,760
Speaker 3: coaching resume that excites me.

628
00:32:55,840 --> 00:32:56,040
Speaker 2: Dan.

629
00:32:57,200 --> 00:32:59,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, if Oklahoma State were a Mountain West

630
00:32:59,800 --> 00:33:02,440
Speaker 1: Pro Conference USA, whack is that what you were talking about?

631
00:33:02,920 --> 00:33:05,440
Speaker 1: You know, those numbers might look a little bit bit different.

632
00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:07,840
Speaker 1: But again, it's it's a big time program and always

633
00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:10,880
Speaker 1: has been. And I think it's really nice that TCU

634
00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:13,800
Speaker 1: has found its way. You know, it took sort of

635
00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:17,440
Speaker 1: stops and starts to this level. But uh, it's gonna

636
00:33:17,480 --> 00:33:19,880
Speaker 1: take some time for Gary Patterson to fully get used

637
00:33:19,920 --> 00:33:25,840
Speaker 1: to things, playing playing big ball. That's all. That's okay,

638
00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:32,000
Speaker 1: hmm okay, So I like there is there anything else?

639
00:33:32,080 --> 00:33:36,920
Speaker 1: Selling Point TCU Quarterbacks? Fort Worth? You really haven't mentioned?

640
00:33:38,440 --> 00:33:38,800
Speaker 2: I don't know.

641
00:33:38,840 --> 00:33:40,640
Speaker 3: I don't really I feel like about fort Worth, to

642
00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:44,720
Speaker 3: be perfectly, I know. Here's what I know about fort Worth.

643
00:33:44,840 --> 00:33:46,120
Speaker 3: Here's I know about for the only thing I know

644
00:33:46,120 --> 00:33:47,320
Speaker 3: about fort Worth I've never been there.

645
00:33:47,360 --> 00:33:47,960
Speaker 1: I wanted to go.

646
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Speaker 2: I have a chance.

647
00:33:49,040 --> 00:33:50,440
Speaker 1: With weird Dad, I've been down there a bunch of times.

648
00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:51,640
Speaker 1: I've never had a chance to go. So I'm not

649
00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:53,920
Speaker 1: even gonna try to fake it. Call me out if

650
00:33:53,920 --> 00:33:56,520
Speaker 1: you want, I don't care. All I've been told about

651
00:33:56,520 --> 00:33:59,360
Speaker 1: fort Worth is that you've heard of the wild West.

652
00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:02,000
Speaker 1: The wild West starts in Texas.

653
00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:03,160
Speaker 2: Anyway, when you get to fort Worth.

654
00:34:03,520 --> 00:34:05,760
Speaker 1: Doesn't start in Dallas. It starts in fort Worth. Is

655
00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:10,600
Speaker 1: that is that accurate? That's something that you've heard. I

656
00:34:10,600 --> 00:34:13,719
Speaker 1: couldn't tell you either way. Have you been? People's experience was?

657
00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:15,560
Speaker 1: I have been a fort Worth and I enjoyed it.

658
00:34:15,560 --> 00:34:17,400
Speaker 1: It's nice. I'd love to go.

659
00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:18,480
Speaker 2: We didn't. We didn't have a chance.

660
00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:20,120
Speaker 1: Anytime I've been to Texas and never had a chance

661
00:34:20,160 --> 00:34:23,120
Speaker 1: to go. No, it's a it's a good place. Have

662
00:34:23,200 --> 00:34:25,520
Speaker 1: you been a still Water? No, I haven't been a

663
00:34:25,560 --> 00:34:30,040
Speaker 1: still Water. I've been to Norman. Interesting, what your thoughts

664
00:34:30,040 --> 00:34:35,919
Speaker 1: about everywhere? Uh, Norman's fine, Fine, it's fine, It's good.

665
00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:40,279
Speaker 1: A ringing endorsement for the state of Oklahoma. Norman was, well,

666
00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:42,759
Speaker 1: I mean, Norman's right outside of Oklahoma City. It's a

667
00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:45,680
Speaker 1: little bit different. It's a different experience. I'm just telling

668
00:34:45,680 --> 00:34:49,239
Speaker 1: you right now, Oklahoma State is big time athletics. We're

669
00:34:49,239 --> 00:34:51,600
Speaker 1: about to see what the number one overall NBA draft pick.

670
00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:55,080
Speaker 1: There's a gravity to Stillwater. There's a gravity to Oklahoma State.

671
00:34:55,320 --> 00:34:58,759
Speaker 1: The best of the best find themselves at Oklahoma State. Sure,

672
00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:01,919
Speaker 1: am I taking credit for Kaid Cunningham. I'm not. I'm

673
00:35:01,960 --> 00:35:03,880
Speaker 1: just telling you about the gravity and what it means

674
00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:06,960
Speaker 1: to be a poke and kid. Cunningham saw this experience

675
00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:08,840
Speaker 1: in Stillwater and said, you know what, I want to

676
00:35:08,840 --> 00:35:10,239
Speaker 1: be a part of it. I want to be a

677
00:35:10,280 --> 00:35:12,520
Speaker 1: part of it. Big time basketball player, big time wrestlers.

678
00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:15,959
Speaker 1: It just keeps happening over and over again. That big

679
00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:19,920
Speaker 1: time means a big move to still Water. Ironically enough,

680
00:35:19,960 --> 00:35:22,720
Speaker 1: nothing stays still at stillwater. It's always moving. We're always

681
00:35:22,719 --> 00:35:24,160
Speaker 1: moving here. Did you just make that up?

682
00:35:24,239 --> 00:35:25,120
Speaker 2: You just made that? I did?

683
00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:26,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was pretty good.

684
00:35:26,080 --> 00:35:26,480
Speaker 2: I like that.

685
00:35:26,520 --> 00:35:26,879
Speaker 1: Thank you?

686
00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:28,680
Speaker 2: All right?

687
00:35:28,760 --> 00:35:32,480
Speaker 1: Well, Solid Verbal at gmail dot com is email right in.

688
00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:34,080
Speaker 1: Unload on us.

689
00:35:34,160 --> 00:35:36,080
Speaker 3: Let us know your thoughts on how we did with

690
00:35:36,120 --> 00:35:39,279
Speaker 3: this here argument. We will also obviously be posting to

691
00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:41,560
Speaker 3: all of our social channels where you can again weigh

692
00:35:41,600 --> 00:35:43,759
Speaker 3: in and tell me how delusional I am.

693
00:35:43,880 --> 00:35:46,319
Speaker 1: For the last five years, TCU has not produced a

694
00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:50,400
Speaker 1: top fifty offense. I just I worry about Junkyard Dockson

695
00:35:50,520 --> 00:35:52,520
Speaker 1: like I'm going. It's gonna keep me up nights a

696
00:35:52,520 --> 00:35:54,120
Speaker 1: little bit. If if you make a choice to go

697
00:35:54,160 --> 00:35:57,080
Speaker 1: to TCU, like, how do you showcase your receiver skills

698
00:35:57,120 --> 00:35:58,040
Speaker 1: if you can't get the ball?

699
00:35:58,600 --> 00:36:01,879
Speaker 3: See, you're still recruiting, and I stopped about five minutes ago.

700
00:36:02,440 --> 00:36:04,000
Speaker 2: No, I just that's we're at a lot.

701
00:36:04,040 --> 00:36:06,120
Speaker 1: I thought I've given this. Look, this is me diving

702
00:36:06,200 --> 00:36:11,239
Speaker 1: inside the stuff, tie inside the stuff. I can't tell

703
00:36:11,239 --> 00:36:14,439
Speaker 1: when you stopped recruiting. I'm always recruiting here, Tye twenty

704
00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:15,040
Speaker 1: four to seven.

705
00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:17,759
Speaker 3: I mean the line would have been, you can't tell

706
00:36:17,800 --> 00:36:19,840
Speaker 3: when I started recruiting that would have been the line.

707
00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:23,439
Speaker 2: But you can keep doing for next time.

708
00:36:23,960 --> 00:36:25,000
Speaker 1: I would still done.

709
00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:25,759
Speaker 2: We're done.

710
00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:29,839
Speaker 1: I like, I like done, like Casey Casey Lee done.

711
00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:31,960
Speaker 2: I like your argument.

712
00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:35,400
Speaker 3: I think it's I think this was the hardest pairing

713
00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:38,600
Speaker 3: that we've had because all the other ones, the two

714
00:36:38,600 --> 00:36:42,560
Speaker 3: schools that we've done before, in both cases, right, we

715
00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:45,400
Speaker 3: just had more material to work with. So recruiting a

716
00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:48,840
Speaker 3: wide receiver to either of these two schools was inherently

717
00:36:48,920 --> 00:36:51,680
Speaker 3: much more difficult because they're just not as big a programs,

718
00:36:51,719 --> 00:36:57,560
Speaker 3: are not as steep with rich recent college football success.

719
00:36:58,600 --> 00:37:00,160
Speaker 3: Those harder is much harder.

720
00:37:02,040 --> 00:37:03,919
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, but the good thing about this one

721
00:37:03,960 --> 00:37:08,640
Speaker 1: is they're similar too. TCU in Oklahoma State similar in

722
00:37:08,719 --> 00:37:13,680
Speaker 1: that they have had big successes that have not carried

723
00:37:13,719 --> 00:37:17,400
Speaker 1: over to two three four year runs. But what TCU

724
00:37:17,440 --> 00:37:21,080
Speaker 1: is in the twenty sixteen they demolished ole Miss in

725
00:37:21,480 --> 00:37:23,360
Speaker 1: that was twenty fourteen, but they demolished Old Miss like

726
00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:27,560
Speaker 1: forty two to three in Peach Bowl, I believe. And

727
00:37:27,960 --> 00:37:32,400
Speaker 1: Oklahoma State went to the Sugar Bowl that was twenty sixteen,

728
00:37:32,920 --> 00:37:36,040
Speaker 1: also against ole Miss, and Oklahoma State lost that game.

729
00:37:36,920 --> 00:37:41,480
Speaker 1: So the you know, you have Trevon Boykin twenty fourteen.

730
00:37:41,520 --> 00:37:45,000
Speaker 1: You have higher highs. Oklahoma State has more offensive firepower,

731
00:37:45,080 --> 00:37:47,600
Speaker 1: but TCU, you know, they win the Rose Bowl. There's

732
00:37:47,640 --> 00:37:51,240
Speaker 1: just a higher ceiling. I would say that I would

733
00:37:51,239 --> 00:37:54,960
Speaker 1: push I would have pushed TCU just on bigger stages,

734
00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:57,800
Speaker 1: more often, in bigger national conversations. But you know, Oklahoma

735
00:37:57,800 --> 00:37:59,560
Speaker 1: State was number two in the country before they lost

736
00:37:59,560 --> 00:38:02,920
Speaker 1: to Iowa State. So they're very similar, which I think

737
00:38:03,160 --> 00:38:06,000
Speaker 1: makes it like my job as a Michigan recruiter was

738
00:38:06,040 --> 00:38:10,880
Speaker 1: harder against Ohio State, and yours as Georgia was probably

739
00:38:10,920 --> 00:38:13,800
Speaker 1: a little less hard against Alabama, just because, yeah, competing

740
00:38:13,800 --> 00:38:16,920
Speaker 1: for similar recruits. But Oklahoma State and TCU I think

741
00:38:16,920 --> 00:38:19,240
Speaker 1: have similar sites, similar sites.

742
00:38:19,560 --> 00:38:21,520
Speaker 3: I'll tell you what was interesting to me going back

743
00:38:21,520 --> 00:38:25,200
Speaker 3: and reading up on Doug Meacham. So, Doug Meacham, you

744
00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:26,399
Speaker 3: skipped over the Kansas part.

745
00:38:26,440 --> 00:38:26,960
Speaker 1: I noticed that.

746
00:38:27,040 --> 00:38:28,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, I skipped over the Kansas part.

747
00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:31,600
Speaker 3: I didn't hammer you on that. Yeah, skipped over the

748
00:38:31,680 --> 00:38:34,680
Speaker 3: Kansas part. That was entirely by design. But Doug Meacham

749
00:38:34,719 --> 00:38:37,680
Speaker 3: had been paired with Sonny Comby right in Sunny Cumby.

750
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Speaker 2: It depends where you read.

751
00:38:38,960 --> 00:38:44,680
Speaker 3: There's actually a pretty wide spectrum of how fans view those.

752
00:38:44,480 --> 00:38:47,520
Speaker 1: Two coordinators and what their roles were. The Doug Meacham

753
00:38:47,520 --> 00:38:50,759
Speaker 1: thing was interesting because I found an old interview that

754
00:38:50,800 --> 00:38:54,120
Speaker 1: our friends over at Frogs of War did before Meacham.

755
00:38:54,200 --> 00:38:57,839
Speaker 1: I guess it was immediately after Meacham was hired as

756
00:38:57,880 --> 00:39:01,760
Speaker 1: part of the new Kansas Football State and the question

757
00:39:01,840 --> 00:39:05,280
Speaker 1: that was posed to the Frog's War writer, whom I

758
00:39:05,320 --> 00:39:08,319
Speaker 1: do not remember his or her name, what's this guy like?

759
00:39:08,360 --> 00:39:10,920
Speaker 3: What should we expect? And though it took a very

760
00:39:10,960 --> 00:39:15,719
Speaker 3: positive tone and sung the praises of Doug meetchim, his

761
00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:20,080
Speaker 3: ability to be aggressive, his ability to develop talent, his

762
00:39:20,160 --> 00:39:23,120
Speaker 3: ability to make things better than they were when he started,

763
00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:28,719
Speaker 3: there was also a distinct tone of negativity. And it

764
00:39:28,840 --> 00:39:31,120
Speaker 3: all came back to a third and one play I

765
00:39:31,120 --> 00:39:34,040
Speaker 3: want to say against Texas Tech, where they ran a

766
00:39:34,080 --> 00:39:37,840
Speaker 3: double reverse and it was like and I remember that

767
00:39:37,880 --> 00:39:41,000
Speaker 3: play because we talked about it. It never dawned on

768
00:39:41,080 --> 00:39:43,680
Speaker 3: me that it stuck in the craw of TCU fans

769
00:39:43,960 --> 00:39:44,480
Speaker 3: quite the way.

770
00:39:44,800 --> 00:39:46,880
Speaker 1: Well, you have that, right with a notre dame, like

771
00:39:46,920 --> 00:39:50,080
Speaker 1: an individual or an individual moment. Everybody has that. But

772
00:39:50,239 --> 00:39:51,600
Speaker 1: my point is no, for sure.

773
00:39:51,719 --> 00:39:54,840
Speaker 3: But my point is that everywhere I read about Doug Meatchum,

774
00:39:55,160 --> 00:39:58,520
Speaker 3: that specific play kept coming up, that specific play kept

775
00:39:58,520 --> 00:40:02,359
Speaker 3: coming up. That and and in this particular interview again

776
00:40:02,400 --> 00:40:04,080
Speaker 3: and our friends Frogs of War go check them out

777
00:40:04,080 --> 00:40:07,640
Speaker 3: a great TCU site. They talk about how, yes, he

778
00:40:07,719 --> 00:40:11,320
Speaker 3: did great work with Josh Doson, but on the same note,

779
00:40:11,719 --> 00:40:13,560
Speaker 3: it was almost like he forced the ball to him

780
00:40:13,560 --> 00:40:16,440
Speaker 3: too much, like everything had to go through Dockson. And

781
00:40:16,480 --> 00:40:19,040
Speaker 3: so it was good for Dockson, it made him look good,

782
00:40:19,640 --> 00:40:21,800
Speaker 3: but at the same time, it wasn't really a balanced offense.

783
00:40:22,200 --> 00:40:23,920
Speaker 3: There were holes in that offense because it was so

784
00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:27,040
Speaker 3: one dimensional. So I tried to spend that as best

785
00:40:27,080 --> 00:40:31,319
Speaker 3: I could. I think in either case, you could do

786
00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:33,040
Speaker 3: just fine as a wide receiver going to either of

787
00:40:33,040 --> 00:40:35,719
Speaker 3: these two schools. Lord knows there are going to be

788
00:40:35,760 --> 00:40:38,359
Speaker 3: plenty of opportunities in an air raid or air raid

789
00:40:38,560 --> 00:40:41,600
Speaker 3: like system to get yours if you are a standout

790
00:40:41,600 --> 00:40:44,160
Speaker 3: wide receiver. I think that's ultimately what it comes down to.

791
00:40:44,600 --> 00:40:48,080
Speaker 3: You probably will have, at least if recent memory is

792
00:40:48,120 --> 00:40:50,839
Speaker 3: any indication, a better opportunity to play with a better

793
00:40:50,920 --> 00:40:53,600
Speaker 3: quarterback if you go to Oklahoma State, because that's been

794
00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:57,800
Speaker 3: a huge, a huge con on the whole TCU program

795
00:40:57,840 --> 00:41:02,600
Speaker 3: over the last five years. So maybe Max Duggan will

796
00:41:03,080 --> 00:41:04,440
Speaker 3: be better in twenty twenty.

797
00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:07,400
Speaker 2: I don't know. I hope or we're fans.

798
00:41:07,120 --> 00:41:10,600
Speaker 1: Of Max, it does on the TCU poster will be

799
00:41:10,600 --> 00:41:15,160
Speaker 1: BETTERCU poster. He's shown flat, he's for sure shown flashes,

800
00:41:15,200 --> 00:41:17,920
Speaker 1: and he's a great dual thread in that you know,

801
00:41:18,200 --> 00:41:21,160
Speaker 1: thirst you can get fourteen with his legs. But yeah,

802
00:41:21,280 --> 00:41:25,439
Speaker 1: there have been some some questionable stretches, So we'll see.

803
00:41:25,480 --> 00:41:26,480
Speaker 1: We'll see where it goes.

804
00:41:26,680 --> 00:41:29,440
Speaker 3: If if Max Duggan goes out there and has a

805
00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:32,640
Speaker 3: banner year, perhaps this is an easier recruiting pitch to make.

806
00:41:32,680 --> 00:41:38,600
Speaker 3: But I still like that just set up of putting

807
00:41:38,600 --> 00:41:43,160
Speaker 3: yourself in a Gary Patterson system at a school that

808
00:41:43,200 --> 00:41:46,080
Speaker 3: we know does have a track record for placement of talent,

809
00:41:46,440 --> 00:41:48,759
Speaker 3: for development of talent. The other thing that I didn't

810
00:41:48,800 --> 00:41:52,759
Speaker 3: really mentioned here because I don't know how corners all right,

811
00:41:52,880 --> 00:41:56,080
Speaker 3: Oh sure, I didn't know how to spin the fact

812
00:41:56,160 --> 00:42:04,160
Speaker 3: that TCU is is not typically a powerhouse when it

813
00:42:04,200 --> 00:42:08,360
Speaker 3: comes to recruiting. But one of the ways that Patterson

814
00:42:08,360 --> 00:42:11,040
Speaker 3: has made his name is by developing that talent. So

815
00:42:11,160 --> 00:42:14,000
Speaker 3: how do you pitch that to a kid who is

816
00:42:14,040 --> 00:42:16,880
Speaker 3: like a four star obviously thinks he's that's easy.

817
00:42:17,480 --> 00:42:19,879
Speaker 1: How do you pitch that? How would you have pitched that? Well,

818
00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:22,279
Speaker 1: you say, look what we've done with guys who were

819
00:42:22,280 --> 00:42:25,520
Speaker 1: not as physically ready for the sport as you are

820
00:42:25,719 --> 00:42:28,680
Speaker 1: Junkyard docks, and look, look we turned them into Imagine

821
00:42:28,680 --> 00:42:32,280
Speaker 1: what we could do with you. The potential is tantalizing, right, tantalizing? Okay,

822
00:42:32,760 --> 00:42:36,200
Speaker 1: tantalizing potential. And TCU has had some good classes, they have,

823
00:42:36,280 --> 00:42:39,320
Speaker 1: they've resonated pretty well on the trail so much lately,

824
00:42:39,640 --> 00:42:43,840
Speaker 1: but yeah, it's been less so fairpoint. I feel like

825
00:42:44,080 --> 00:42:47,840
Speaker 1: whatever the year is with sheewoh alona lua, is that

826
00:42:47,840 --> 00:42:51,919
Speaker 1: how that was pronounced those classes in that time? Maybe

827
00:42:51,920 --> 00:42:54,680
Speaker 1: it was like twenty fifteen, twenty sixteen, twenty fourteen. I

828
00:42:54,760 --> 00:42:57,120
Speaker 1: think they took advantage pretty well. You also didn't mention

829
00:42:57,160 --> 00:42:59,520
Speaker 1: that TCU was beating Oklahoma State what three or four years.

830
00:43:00,200 --> 00:43:02,520
Speaker 1: I don't think you mentioned that that. For all of

831
00:43:02,520 --> 00:43:06,840
Speaker 1: my talk of big time football, TAC has recently owned

832
00:43:07,600 --> 00:43:08,840
Speaker 1: the back and forth.

833
00:43:09,680 --> 00:43:12,680
Speaker 3: Can we submit that as exhibit A?

834
00:43:13,360 --> 00:43:15,040
Speaker 1: I don't think that's I don't think you can do

835
00:43:15,120 --> 00:43:18,840
Speaker 1: it after the fact. Yeah, the Gundhy is a wild

836
00:43:18,840 --> 00:43:21,799
Speaker 1: card thing. The quotes that he was he would call

837
00:43:21,840 --> 00:43:24,240
Speaker 1: players by their numbers, not their names. I was prepared

838
00:43:24,280 --> 00:43:27,319
Speaker 1: to address that, but I expected to hear that from you,

839
00:43:27,480 --> 00:43:29,520
Speaker 1: that sort of negative recruiting, that like, how can you

840
00:43:29,800 --> 00:43:31,439
Speaker 1: play for a guy who treats you as a number

841
00:43:31,480 --> 00:43:33,920
Speaker 1: and not a name? My other my other angle was

842
00:43:33,960 --> 00:43:35,680
Speaker 1: going to be to just flat out make stuff up.

843
00:43:37,000 --> 00:43:39,200
Speaker 1: But I always have to. I don't think I have to.

844
00:43:39,520 --> 00:43:41,359
Speaker 3: I was surprised that you did not come back when

845
00:43:41,400 --> 00:43:43,880
Speaker 3: I started talking about the ESPN Film Room. Gundhy's been

846
00:43:43,920 --> 00:43:45,719
Speaker 3: on those things a bunch of times too, he hasn't.

847
00:43:45,719 --> 00:43:47,960
Speaker 1: I don't think it doesn't. It doesn't register with me

848
00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:50,319
Speaker 1: as being important till a sixteen year old, seventeen year

849
00:43:50,320 --> 00:43:52,600
Speaker 1: old it's on TV is important. Yeah, but they're not

850
00:43:52,719 --> 00:43:56,239
Speaker 1: watching it like they're not watching they didn't watch. No,

851
00:43:56,280 --> 00:43:58,040
Speaker 1: we aren't watching the film room. You're just watching the game.

852
00:43:58,080 --> 00:44:01,440
Speaker 1: If you're sixteen seventeen, maybe after the facts, maybe they

853
00:44:01,440 --> 00:44:03,680
Speaker 1: show it to you on your official visit.

854
00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:06,080
Speaker 2: No.

855
00:44:06,640 --> 00:44:13,440
Speaker 1: I definitely think a small private Christian university is going

856
00:44:13,520 --> 00:44:16,640
Speaker 1: to have a different feel on an official visit than

857
00:44:16,680 --> 00:44:20,040
Speaker 1: a huge school. Oklahoma state isn't Texas size, but I

858
00:44:20,080 --> 00:44:23,000
Speaker 1: think it's about thirty thousand, so it's three times the size.

859
00:44:23,560 --> 00:44:27,399
Speaker 1: So I wanted to push that. I wanted to push,

860
00:44:27,520 --> 00:44:30,120
Speaker 1: you know, because big time in your DFW Greater area

861
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Speaker 1: in Denton and the Blennikoff stuff that I mean, the

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Speaker 1: TCU offense to me, and this is something we'll get

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Speaker 1: into more in the preview. It's just like, I don't

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Speaker 1: know how you whiff on a quarterback at a school

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Speaker 1: in Texas. I know it is one, Well what about.

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Speaker 2: The University of Texas? What about you.

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Speaker 1: Till they've gotten big commitments? And like Sam Ellinger was

868
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Speaker 1: pretty good. Yeah, and he played starter for four years, right,

869
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Speaker 1: I just I mean, I know it's difficult choosing the

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Speaker 1: right guy and figuring it out how you know, to

871
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Speaker 1: uh to uh to predict what they're gonna do. It's

872
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Speaker 1: very tough. But yeah, the TCU offense. And there's like

873
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Speaker 1: something I really don't like it when schools are just like,

874
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Speaker 1: well it worked with these guys five years ago. Let's

875
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Speaker 1: like roll it back with Doug Meatrim or roll it

876
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Speaker 1: back with you know, sunny compies. I think of Texas Tech,

877
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Speaker 1: but I'm like I don't know. I think you have

878
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Speaker 1: to evolve. I think you have to find, you know,

879
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Speaker 1: up and comers. And that's what I liked about Gundy

880
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Speaker 1: with You're sick and Holgerson and you know, dipping into Houston,

881
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Speaker 1: dipping into Division too, dipping into you know, Todd Munkin

882
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Speaker 1: coming over from the NFL. Like there's a creativity about

883
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Speaker 1: Oklahoma State and that offense, and they're they're both in

884
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Speaker 1: weird places though, because Oklahoma State's offense has never been

885
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Speaker 1: this bad. I expected you to hit that. I expected

886
00:45:52,280 --> 00:45:55,880
Speaker 1: you to hit Spencer Sanders throwing interceptions. I saw Oklahoma

887
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Speaker 1: State something like eighty first in points per drive last year.

888
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Speaker 1: Uh and I spun it as far the past five years,

889
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Speaker 1: finishing with the top fifty offense.

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Speaker 2: But interesting, Okay, I don't know.

891
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Speaker 1: I expected I expected you to hit. I was gonna

892
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Speaker 1: hit back, but I didn't get that initial that initial damage.

893
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Speaker 3: So fine, I did my research at three in the morning,

894
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Speaker 3: So give me able to be slack, All right, that's fine,

895
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Speaker 3: right in soliverbo at gmail dot com us.

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Speaker 1: By the way, all of those businesses are real. Oh,

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Speaker 1: I'm sure little Shop of Flowers, which is a great name.

898
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Speaker 1: Spin City laundry. There's no way he made any of

899
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Speaker 1: that stuff up. Don Evans window tint. And if Don

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Speaker 1: Evans isn't all problematic, has done anything problematic? I take

901
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Speaker 1: no credit a window tint companiation always has that chance,

902
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Speaker 1: doesn't it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, let me see, let me see what Don

905
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Speaker 1: Evans looks like. Don Evans window tint. I always just

906
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Speaker 1: a fantastic dude who likes car privacy. No relation man

907
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Speaker 1: Bob who is down on the farm. Dude, Don Evans

908
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Speaker 1: window tint is just like a hot with a seven

909
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Speaker 1: up machine in front. But I just looked up places

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Speaker 1: with good reviews and it has amazing reviews, So like

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Speaker 1: Dawn has to be pretty cool. It's seventy three Google reviews.

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Speaker 2: Okay, that's not bad.

913
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Speaker 1: I don't know d by Stillwater High School. So what

914
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Speaker 1: was the other business I mentioned? Balanced coffee and crouches

915
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Speaker 1: heating and cooling crouches heating, And I actually think that

916
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Speaker 1: is interesting, Like you brought up the Ohio state thing

917
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Speaker 1: with nil and like Columbus is going to be a

918
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Speaker 1: good place.

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Speaker 2: And people supported that.

920
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Speaker 1: By the way. People wrote in and said that I

921
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Speaker 1: was actually selling Columbus short as a hub for business.

922
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Speaker 1: We heard from people who worked for who work for

923
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Speaker 1: Ohio State in the athletic department saying, ty, you're killing

924
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Speaker 1: us here.

925
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a shit. That's a shit.

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Speaker 1: I think where I think. I was listening to our

927
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Speaker 1: friend Ari Wasserman's podcast, It's an Ohio State show. He

928
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Speaker 1: had Brian Windhorst on, and he brought up a good

929
00:47:58,080 --> 00:48:02,960
Speaker 1: point that it's not necessarily the market, but it's the

930
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Speaker 1: rabid fandom of the people in that market about that

931
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Speaker 1: school that will help dictate how much a player might

932
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Speaker 1: be worth endorsing or selling or appearing in commercials, whatever. Whereas,

933
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Speaker 1: even though a place like USC is in LA and

934
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Speaker 1: bigger than Columbus or bigger than Stillwater or bigger than

935
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Speaker 1: you know, Clemson, I don't you name it Lubbock, the

936
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Speaker 1: people in LA by and large do not care about

937
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Speaker 1: USC football unless it's like playing for national championship year

938
00:48:34,040 --> 00:48:36,319
Speaker 1: in and year out. And Pete Carroll's a charismatic guy. There

939
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Speaker 1: are many USC fans, but you're competing against the Los

940
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Speaker 1: Angeles Lakers, right, and the LA Dodgers. Whereas if you're

941
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Speaker 1: in Columbus and I don't know how well the Blue

942
00:48:45,880 --> 00:48:49,840
Speaker 1: Jackets are or were received or whatever. But like Columbus

943
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Speaker 1: is only Ohio State and the state of Ohio is

944
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Speaker 1: ninety whatever it is. I'm sure there are Cincinnati fans

945
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Speaker 1: and Bobcat fans whatever, but that's an Ohio State state.

946
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Speaker 1: So there is something about where in relation to how

947
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Speaker 1: influential team fandom is that I think you didn't hit

948
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Speaker 1: on with Columbus. That was should have been a direction

949
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Speaker 1: you went on. Not that like Columbus has all these

950
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Speaker 1: huge corporations, but like Ohio State is the team in

951
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Speaker 1: the state. There are Bengals and Browns fans, and maybe

952
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Speaker 1: the Browns are I don't know, it's probably not the

953
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Speaker 1: Indians or whatever the baseball team is called now. It

954
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Speaker 1: should be the Spiders, right, that's a thing that people

955
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Speaker 1: have talked about going back to that name. But yeah,

956
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Speaker 1: maybe it was the Calves briefly with Lebron. But like,

957
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Speaker 1: I think that the magnitude of fandom has to be

958
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Speaker 1: the hardest, has to be the fiercest for Ohio State.

959
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Speaker 1: So I think that's that's the angle with how we

960
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Speaker 1: talk about nil is like how influential are a team's

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Speaker 1: players in this market, the heavyweight metro market.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, who's the heavyweight.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so that's just it's going to be tougher like,

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Speaker 1: Like it'll be easier for a Texas player because they're

965
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Speaker 1: the show in Austin and a Texas A and M

966
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Speaker 1: player maybe, although the proximity to Houston isn't necessarily an advantage,

967
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Speaker 1: but in those like diehard college college college towns, Eugene, Oregon,

968
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Speaker 1: South Bend, whatever, I think that it's gonna it's gonna

969
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Speaker 1: resonate more as an influencer and an endorser.

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Speaker 3: also hit us up on social we know you will.

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974
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Speaker 3: Are tiers which we are working on, ever so diligently

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Speaker 1: Exciting things to come here. So yeah, don't change your

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Speaker 1: dial if that's still a thing. Thank you for your

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Speaker 1: support in downloading the show. If you haven't already, please

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Speaker 2: Com and sign up for the newsletter.

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Speaker 1: Damn, I think that's all I got, All right, that's

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Speaker 1: all I have. I'm good for.

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Speaker 3: That guy over there, my good friend Dan Rubenstein, form

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Speaker 3: myself Tie Hildebrand. We will catch you all next week.

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Speaker 3: In the meantime, as always during your weekend, stay solid, peace,

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Speaker 3: Go pokes.