1 00:00:03,240 --> 00:00:05,640 Speaker 1: But you know I'm gonna do that next time. I'm 2 00:00:05,680 --> 00:00:08,039 Speaker 1: in a relationship. When I'm having sex with a dude 3 00:00:08,039 --> 00:00:10,600 Speaker 1: and we're listening to Luther, I'm a whisper in his ear. 4 00:00:10,680 --> 00:00:15,640 Speaker 1: You know, he was singing to a dude. See how 5 00:00:15,640 --> 00:00:18,239 Speaker 1: he reacts, and based on that reaction, then we'll know 6 00:00:18,480 --> 00:00:21,200 Speaker 1: we can move forward. If hey, if he gets soft, 7 00:00:21,440 --> 00:00:23,280 Speaker 1: he's not the guy for you, and you gotta let 8 00:00:23,320 --> 00:00:26,720 Speaker 1: him go. You gotta he's gotta stay hard through that information, 9 00:00:26,880 --> 00:00:30,680 Speaker 1: you know, or maybe that might entact him. And then 10 00:00:30,680 --> 00:00:33,360 Speaker 1: he gets harder and then you're like, hell, yeah, this 11 00:00:33,479 --> 00:01:03,560 Speaker 1: dude's boke. Let's keep going racist. You can't tell me. Yep, yep, yep, 12 00:01:03,760 --> 00:01:06,759 Speaker 1: there it is. There it is. Ladies and gentlemen, Welcome 13 00:01:06,800 --> 00:01:11,600 Speaker 1: to another phenomenal episode of My Mama Told Me, the 14 00:01:11,720 --> 00:01:15,400 Speaker 1: podcast where we died deep, deep into the pockets of 15 00:01:15,480 --> 00:01:19,200 Speaker 1: black conspiracy theories and we finally worked to prove that 16 00:01:19,319 --> 00:01:23,399 Speaker 1: each one of those bumps on Morgan Freeman's face represents 17 00:01:23,400 --> 00:01:27,880 Speaker 1: another hard crux that allows him to live forever. That's right, 18 00:01:27,959 --> 00:01:31,040 Speaker 1: ladies and gentlemen, he has split his soul amongst all 19 00:01:31,080 --> 00:01:34,280 Speaker 1: of them little dots. I've counted him. He's about three 20 00:01:34,400 --> 00:01:37,760 Speaker 1: hundred and seventy eight split souls at this point. And 21 00:01:37,800 --> 00:01:39,759 Speaker 1: I don't know what his plan is. Why he would 22 00:01:39,800 --> 00:01:41,800 Speaker 1: hide his hard crux is right in the center of 23 00:01:41,880 --> 00:01:44,080 Speaker 1: his face. That is beyond me. But that's what the 24 00:01:44,160 --> 00:01:47,560 Speaker 1: man is doing that I'm I'm not even sure we 25 00:01:47,560 --> 00:01:50,400 Speaker 1: can call him a man anymore. That goddamn old ass 26 00:01:50,480 --> 00:01:55,160 Speaker 1: wizard Morgan Freeman is out here just splitting in little 27 00:01:55,200 --> 00:01:58,320 Speaker 1: ass pieces and and covering himself with it. With them, 28 00:01:58,360 --> 00:02:02,760 Speaker 1: I'm your host, Nankston Kerman coming in misbehaving is always hot, 29 00:02:02,800 --> 00:02:05,360 Speaker 1: as as I like to call it. I'm happy to 30 00:02:05,400 --> 00:02:08,320 Speaker 1: be here. It's it's an exciting episode. This is a 31 00:02:08,440 --> 00:02:11,200 Speaker 1: groundbreaking episode, which I'm not even sure my guest is 32 00:02:11,240 --> 00:02:14,400 Speaker 1: aware of, but it's a groundbreaking episode because it's the 33 00:02:14,639 --> 00:02:18,720 Speaker 1: first episode, the first ever episode where we are expanding 34 00:02:18,800 --> 00:02:22,720 Speaker 1: the my Mama told Me multiverse. We are moving out 35 00:02:22,720 --> 00:02:26,359 Speaker 1: of just just black shit and moving into communities that 36 00:02:26,480 --> 00:02:30,760 Speaker 1: that also have conspiracy theories, that also know the dangers 37 00:02:30,800 --> 00:02:33,000 Speaker 1: of Whitey and the White Devil. Do you know what 38 00:02:33,040 --> 00:02:36,799 Speaker 1: I mean. We're we're moving into the my Mama told 39 00:02:36,919 --> 00:02:40,880 Speaker 1: Me multiverse, and my guest today is the perfect introduction 40 00:02:40,919 --> 00:02:45,200 Speaker 1: to that multiverse because she's so goddamn funny. She's hilarious. 41 00:02:45,360 --> 00:02:47,160 Speaker 1: You've seen her on so many things. She was on 42 00:02:47,280 --> 00:02:51,120 Speaker 1: Day Ready on Netflix. But more importantly, she has a 43 00:02:51,160 --> 00:02:54,639 Speaker 1: brand new special that is out available to you now. 44 00:02:55,080 --> 00:02:57,880 Speaker 1: It technically it's not out as we're talking, but it's out, 45 00:02:57,960 --> 00:03:01,120 Speaker 1: motherfucker's by the time you're listening, and you bitches better 46 00:03:01,200 --> 00:03:04,280 Speaker 1: go listening to it. You you better watch it. Fun 47 00:03:04,400 --> 00:03:06,720 Speaker 1: listening to it, you watch it, you lock your eyes 48 00:03:06,800 --> 00:03:09,640 Speaker 1: on it because it's amazing. She's so funny. It's called 49 00:03:09,680 --> 00:03:12,440 Speaker 1: Fighting Words, and it's on HBO Max and you need 50 00:03:12,480 --> 00:03:14,560 Speaker 1: to go watching, and she's great. Please give it up 51 00:03:14,560 --> 00:03:21,360 Speaker 1: for my guests. Miss Ida Rodriguez, I've been laughing. First 52 00:03:21,360 --> 00:03:24,000 Speaker 1: of all, I was like, when I heard the theme song, 53 00:03:24,280 --> 00:03:27,240 Speaker 1: I started like grooving, and then I was listening to 54 00:03:27,280 --> 00:03:33,960 Speaker 1: the words and I was like, is this Thundercat? Oh, 55 00:03:34,000 --> 00:03:37,200 Speaker 1: we can't afford Thundercat. But we did get my comedian 56 00:03:37,240 --> 00:03:41,000 Speaker 1: friend Nick Chambers to to put some lyrics and music down. 57 00:03:41,200 --> 00:03:44,800 Speaker 1: So I'm honored. I'm honored that Danster our our dumb ship. 58 00:03:45,720 --> 00:03:48,160 Speaker 1: I just want to say one thing, and in the 59 00:03:48,240 --> 00:03:54,040 Speaker 1: Latin X Latin a Latino community. We got black ship too, 60 00:03:54,240 --> 00:04:00,400 Speaker 1: because that's right, that's fairy. I do not mean to 61 00:04:00,520 --> 00:04:04,840 Speaker 1: dismiss the blacks of all communities. I know there are 62 00:04:04,880 --> 00:04:08,320 Speaker 1: blacks everywhere, and I only mean to say that we 63 00:04:08,400 --> 00:04:11,880 Speaker 1: are expanding our universe and and and opening up to 64 00:04:12,040 --> 00:04:16,000 Speaker 1: conversations beyond just black shit, if if we so choose, 65 00:04:16,279 --> 00:04:19,760 Speaker 1: got it nice though, nice? Hell? Yeah, you know, we 66 00:04:19,880 --> 00:04:25,680 Speaker 1: got conspiracy theories. We also are the descendants of slaves, 67 00:04:25,760 --> 00:04:31,000 Speaker 1: so they're yeah. It's it's almost as if white people 68 00:04:31,040 --> 00:04:32,800 Speaker 1: did the same trick to all of us and it 69 00:04:32,920 --> 00:04:36,360 Speaker 1: just worked. It just worked differently, not better, not worse, 70 00:04:36,520 --> 00:04:39,440 Speaker 1: just differently on everybody's ship. They did it in different 71 00:04:39,520 --> 00:04:47,040 Speaker 1: dialects and languages. You guys got a sexier dialect. I 72 00:04:47,080 --> 00:04:49,920 Speaker 1: think out of the whole thing, we got shitty ass English, 73 00:04:50,000 --> 00:04:52,760 Speaker 1: and I I don't know, I would have rather. Yeah, 74 00:04:52,920 --> 00:04:58,800 Speaker 1: Spanish sounds cooler for slavery. I think, oh my gosh, this, 75 00:04:59,279 --> 00:05:02,919 Speaker 1: you know what, Let's get castle together, let's do this thing. Yeah, 76 00:05:03,480 --> 00:05:05,520 Speaker 1: that's that's my goal. I don't know what you came 77 00:05:05,560 --> 00:05:07,960 Speaker 1: here for. If it's not for cancelation, what game are 78 00:05:07,960 --> 00:05:11,920 Speaker 1: we playing? All right, let's dive in because you came 79 00:05:11,920 --> 00:05:15,760 Speaker 1: with a conspiracy theory that I had heard for years 80 00:05:15,800 --> 00:05:20,680 Speaker 1: growing up. I never knew enough to even verify or 81 00:05:20,839 --> 00:05:25,080 Speaker 1: or deny the validity of this conspiracy theory, but I 82 00:05:25,120 --> 00:05:29,080 Speaker 1: feel like it's a classic, a very classic conspiracy theory 83 00:05:29,120 --> 00:05:31,440 Speaker 1: and pop culture in the black community and all sorts 84 00:05:31,440 --> 00:05:35,360 Speaker 1: of communities, I imagine. But you said, my mama told 85 00:05:35,480 --> 00:05:47,479 Speaker 1: me Luther van Drass was secretly gay. Man, I heard 86 00:05:47,520 --> 00:05:52,040 Speaker 1: that so much. I guess what makes it so such 87 00:05:52,080 --> 00:05:55,479 Speaker 1: a mystery is that you never saw a Luther with 88 00:05:55,560 --> 00:06:01,200 Speaker 1: a partner, right, none. Yeah, And you know, I have 89 00:06:01,400 --> 00:06:04,920 Speaker 1: a theory on a theory when it comes to this, 90 00:06:05,880 --> 00:06:12,080 Speaker 1: because if Luther wasn't fact gay and his music that 91 00:06:12,200 --> 00:06:19,200 Speaker 1: was about love resonated with so many heterosexual people, yea, 92 00:06:19,520 --> 00:06:23,720 Speaker 1: then it would prove what we hear from the LGBTQ 93 00:06:24,120 --> 00:06:32,000 Speaker 1: community all the time is that love is love. Yeah, Okay, 94 00:06:32,040 --> 00:06:36,719 Speaker 1: I like this. Okay, So what you're suggesting is is 95 00:06:36,720 --> 00:06:40,480 Speaker 1: that Luther being a person living in the closet for 96 00:06:40,560 --> 00:06:43,760 Speaker 1: lack of a better term, is not at all a 97 00:06:43,839 --> 00:06:47,440 Speaker 1: barrier from our ability to accept the love that he's 98 00:06:47,520 --> 00:06:49,880 Speaker 1: offering to the world. That when he sings these songs 99 00:06:50,200 --> 00:06:52,640 Speaker 1: even though he may potentially be singing about a man, 100 00:06:53,000 --> 00:06:56,360 Speaker 1: it's still resonates so well with me or any other 101 00:06:56,400 --> 00:07:01,279 Speaker 1: heterosexual person that maybe this gender fluidity isn't this foreign, 102 00:07:01,760 --> 00:07:04,360 Speaker 1: dangerous theory, but really it's just the way that we've 103 00:07:04,400 --> 00:07:08,120 Speaker 1: always been. Yeah, I agree. I mean, that's exactly what 104 00:07:08,160 --> 00:07:12,640 Speaker 1: I'm saying. I just I was like my ex he 105 00:07:12,800 --> 00:07:18,400 Speaker 1: dedicated Superstar to me, that was his song for me. 106 00:07:19,280 --> 00:07:22,560 Speaker 1: But he he was also a little bit homophobic, and 107 00:07:22,680 --> 00:07:26,680 Speaker 1: that would be like, yo, you feel about yourrible the 108 00:07:26,760 --> 00:07:32,280 Speaker 1: same way Luther feels about his boom. Yeah, okay, So 109 00:07:32,280 --> 00:07:37,200 Speaker 1: so was he Were you calling it out where you like, yo, hey, 110 00:07:37,240 --> 00:07:39,360 Speaker 1: by the way that song you dedicated to me, you 111 00:07:39,400 --> 00:07:42,000 Speaker 1: know that's a that's a gay man that's singing about 112 00:07:42,040 --> 00:07:44,960 Speaker 1: another man when when he when he's singing it, well, yeah, 113 00:07:45,040 --> 00:07:50,280 Speaker 1: I was like, allegedly, right, so what does that mean? 114 00:07:51,240 --> 00:07:54,280 Speaker 1: And he did? He was? He like, nah, I get 115 00:07:54,280 --> 00:07:56,680 Speaker 1: the funk out. What was his response to this? Then 116 00:07:57,120 --> 00:08:00,320 Speaker 1: he would say, Luther is not gay, he just keeps 117 00:08:00,320 --> 00:08:09,200 Speaker 1: his business to himself. I was like, okay, okay, okay, 118 00:08:09,280 --> 00:08:13,120 Speaker 1: because that introduces I think a pretty complicated layer to 119 00:08:13,240 --> 00:08:16,239 Speaker 1: all of this, right that that in a lot of ways. 120 00:08:16,560 --> 00:08:22,400 Speaker 1: Luther sexuality was a very open secret in popular culture, right. 121 00:08:22,440 --> 00:08:26,240 Speaker 1: We all, we is a royal we we all sort 122 00:08:26,280 --> 00:08:29,800 Speaker 1: of knew that Luther was gay, but nobody really wanted 123 00:08:29,840 --> 00:08:32,960 Speaker 1: to talk about it. Do you think that's that's a 124 00:08:33,040 --> 00:08:39,480 Speaker 1: reflection of homophobia or is that merely wanting the story 125 00:08:39,600 --> 00:08:43,120 Speaker 1: to still be able to exist for whoever we so 126 00:08:43,360 --> 00:08:46,839 Speaker 1: choose to dedicate our music to. You know, he wants 127 00:08:46,880 --> 00:08:48,920 Speaker 1: to be able to keep it so that when he 128 00:08:48,960 --> 00:08:52,120 Speaker 1: dedicates this song to you, it's not quote unquote tainted 129 00:08:52,520 --> 00:08:57,000 Speaker 1: by someone else's experience. Well, I mean, everybody's okay when 130 00:08:57,040 --> 00:09:01,800 Speaker 1: the people are allegedly straight, right, So why does it 131 00:09:01,840 --> 00:09:06,000 Speaker 1: matter even if he was openly gay? Why wouldn't matter? 132 00:09:06,880 --> 00:09:10,319 Speaker 1: Right that? In theory, Luther comes out he says, this 133 00:09:10,360 --> 00:09:13,120 Speaker 1: song is that this song, I wrote it about a man. 134 00:09:13,559 --> 00:09:16,640 Speaker 1: It shouldn't change the the lyrics, It shouldn't change the 135 00:09:16,679 --> 00:09:19,400 Speaker 1: feeling that comes from this thing. It should just be 136 00:09:19,679 --> 00:09:23,880 Speaker 1: a different intent. Yeah, then we've placed on it. I 137 00:09:24,000 --> 00:09:27,880 Speaker 1: just stopped listening to Frank Ocean. Yeah, I never stopped, right, 138 00:09:28,160 --> 00:09:31,120 Speaker 1: And you know when he was saying Gang, I've didn't 139 00:09:31,200 --> 00:09:35,679 Speaker 1: think about you. Yeah, you know, he could have been 140 00:09:35,720 --> 00:09:42,280 Speaker 1: thinking about some penis, Yeah, just like me. And honestly 141 00:09:42,320 --> 00:09:46,800 Speaker 1: that probably makes it connect better for you, y'all boasting 142 00:09:46,800 --> 00:09:54,679 Speaker 1: about dick. Yeah wow. Okay, So at what point, let's 143 00:09:54,760 --> 00:09:57,800 Speaker 1: let's trace some of the history here for you. At 144 00:09:57,840 --> 00:10:01,160 Speaker 1: what point do you think you be him aware that 145 00:10:01,360 --> 00:10:06,600 Speaker 1: Luther Vandross may have allegedly been singing about men rather 146 00:10:06,679 --> 00:10:11,040 Speaker 1: than his predominantly female audience. You know, I would think 147 00:10:11,440 --> 00:10:15,320 Speaker 1: that it was when I got older, because the elders 148 00:10:15,360 --> 00:10:18,000 Speaker 1: in my family used to listen to Luther and I 149 00:10:18,080 --> 00:10:20,680 Speaker 1: was a kid, so I don't know. I thought it 150 00:10:20,720 --> 00:10:23,719 Speaker 1: was just a man singing. But when I got older 151 00:10:24,200 --> 00:10:28,239 Speaker 1: and they started sending me the song saying I'm dedicating 152 00:10:28,280 --> 00:10:32,880 Speaker 1: this this to you, So I think that that's when 153 00:10:33,240 --> 00:10:36,720 Speaker 1: I was like, hey, man, I've never seen this man 154 00:10:37,960 --> 00:10:41,760 Speaker 1: where the woman or anybody. I'm always seeing him by himself, 155 00:10:42,200 --> 00:10:44,199 Speaker 1: and I'm like, who is he singing too? And then 156 00:10:44,200 --> 00:10:46,880 Speaker 1: when you watched him, you know, Luther used to wear 157 00:10:47,000 --> 00:10:51,520 Speaker 1: the best eyeliner because he used to wear it, you 158 00:10:51,559 --> 00:10:55,320 Speaker 1: know though, and the waterline is what we call and 159 00:10:55,400 --> 00:10:58,960 Speaker 1: he got his eyeliner never ran and I'm always as 160 00:10:59,000 --> 00:11:02,520 Speaker 1: a Puerto Rican girl, we we wear eyeliner. You know, 161 00:11:02,840 --> 00:11:05,120 Speaker 1: sixth grade, we started sneaking the eyeliner to go to 162 00:11:05,160 --> 00:11:08,880 Speaker 1: middle school, and and I would always try to find 163 00:11:08,960 --> 00:11:11,439 Speaker 1: the perfect eyeliner I could put on my water line 164 00:11:11,520 --> 00:11:15,040 Speaker 1: that wouldn't wouldn't smear. You wanted that Luther line. I 165 00:11:15,080 --> 00:11:20,040 Speaker 1: wanted that Luther line. So I think it was a 166 00:11:20,120 --> 00:11:24,320 Speaker 1: little bit older, like maybe when I became like a teenagers, 167 00:11:24,360 --> 00:11:27,880 Speaker 1: you know, seventeen eight team. And to his credit in 168 00:11:28,000 --> 00:11:30,280 Speaker 1: terms of the the makeup of it all, he was 169 00:11:30,320 --> 00:11:35,440 Speaker 1: a very sweaty man, like objectively a a very sweaty person. 170 00:11:35,480 --> 00:11:38,920 Speaker 1: And for him not to have running eyeliner or runnie 171 00:11:38,920 --> 00:11:44,480 Speaker 1: makeup is that's that's impressive, absolutely impressive. And you know, 172 00:11:44,600 --> 00:11:48,000 Speaker 1: not only if you say he was sweaty his costumes, 173 00:11:48,320 --> 00:11:52,680 Speaker 1: remember the sequence tops the shirts, and that's really hot. 174 00:11:52,760 --> 00:11:57,880 Speaker 1: It's super hot. So the lights, you know, And and 175 00:11:57,920 --> 00:12:01,640 Speaker 1: then Luther was an actual reually a real singer, so 176 00:12:01,679 --> 00:12:04,320 Speaker 1: it wasn't there was no auto tune or assistance. He 177 00:12:04,360 --> 00:12:07,160 Speaker 1: wasn't singing the tracks. So that's a lot of cardio, 178 00:12:07,520 --> 00:12:11,280 Speaker 1: you know. I'm like, that's a lot of work. His 179 00:12:11,360 --> 00:12:14,640 Speaker 1: diaphragm is being compressed quite a bit to get some 180 00:12:14,679 --> 00:12:17,320 Speaker 1: of them notes that he's sitting out. Yeah, so I 181 00:12:17,320 --> 00:12:19,439 Speaker 1: I mean he was putting in the work. He was sweating, 182 00:12:19,480 --> 00:12:23,760 Speaker 1: and the eyeliner never ran, never ran him and Prince 183 00:12:23,920 --> 00:12:27,679 Speaker 1: never and so as you're growing up, because I do 184 00:12:27,760 --> 00:12:31,640 Speaker 1: think that this is this is an important element to 185 00:12:31,760 --> 00:12:35,400 Speaker 1: this whole like tracking of someone's sexuality in relation to 186 00:12:35,480 --> 00:12:40,040 Speaker 1: popular music popular culture. Are you looking at Luther and going, 187 00:12:41,000 --> 00:12:45,959 Speaker 1: this is a person that I guess is a sexual being. 188 00:12:46,080 --> 00:12:49,840 Speaker 1: Is lutheror sexty to you as a kid or is 189 00:12:49,840 --> 00:12:52,720 Speaker 1: he just Luther? Like? Where does he live in in 190 00:12:52,760 --> 00:12:55,360 Speaker 1: that whole spectrum? Oh? Man, he was a captain of 191 00:12:55,520 --> 00:13:00,400 Speaker 1: romantic like the captain of love music like it was 192 00:13:00,480 --> 00:13:05,000 Speaker 1: just you know, the quintessential love love song like Superstar 193 00:13:05,120 --> 00:13:07,360 Speaker 1: is probably one of the most beautiful songs I've ever 194 00:13:07,400 --> 00:13:10,720 Speaker 1: heard in my life. Yeah, use a song with Gregory 195 00:13:10,840 --> 00:13:16,000 Speaker 1: Hines that was there's nothing that, I mean, some of 196 00:13:16,040 --> 00:13:19,600 Speaker 1: the most amazing music that I would say love just 197 00:13:19,920 --> 00:13:25,120 Speaker 1: love music. But we did have sex to it, so 198 00:13:26,200 --> 00:13:28,560 Speaker 1: it was wrong. I mean it was sexy music. It 199 00:13:28,679 --> 00:13:31,720 Speaker 1: was sexual music, and yeah, it's I guess I asked 200 00:13:31,760 --> 00:13:36,400 Speaker 1: that question because I'm I'm interested in sort of the 201 00:13:36,400 --> 00:13:41,920 Speaker 1: ways that sexuality or a person sexuality rather doesn't necessarily 202 00:13:42,040 --> 00:13:45,959 Speaker 1: matter in terms of our enjoyment of like the art 203 00:13:46,040 --> 00:13:48,679 Speaker 1: that they create that in a lot of ways, if 204 00:13:48,720 --> 00:13:51,680 Speaker 1: you look at these people as poets, right, Like I 205 00:13:51,720 --> 00:13:55,040 Speaker 1: didn't need to want to fuck Walt Whitman to be 206 00:13:55,080 --> 00:13:58,319 Speaker 1: able to enjoy the sexuality that came out of Walt 207 00:13:58,320 --> 00:14:02,520 Speaker 1: Whitman's poetry, Like it still has all of the elements 208 00:14:02,520 --> 00:14:07,000 Speaker 1: that you need to feel like a sexy, sensual person. 209 00:14:07,040 --> 00:14:09,280 Speaker 1: And I think the same might be true for a 210 00:14:09,360 --> 00:14:13,480 Speaker 1: Luther Vandros. Whereas you know, there are artists who they 211 00:14:13,600 --> 00:14:16,600 Speaker 1: exude a sexuality that you do want to press into. 212 00:14:16,640 --> 00:14:19,200 Speaker 1: I think Luther is one of those that, like, you 213 00:14:19,240 --> 00:14:21,200 Speaker 1: don't you don't want to fuck Luther, but you kind 214 00:14:21,200 --> 00:14:24,160 Speaker 1: of enjoy the sex he's able to create with with 215 00:14:24,280 --> 00:14:28,240 Speaker 1: his music. Absolutely, it's a beautiful soundtrack. And you know 216 00:14:28,400 --> 00:14:32,120 Speaker 1: that's the thing that people who belong to the lgbt 217 00:14:32,360 --> 00:14:36,480 Speaker 1: q I A plus community Hell yeah, hit autum no, no, 218 00:14:36,920 --> 00:14:40,160 Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. The reason that they probably 219 00:14:40,280 --> 00:14:45,840 Speaker 1: feel like we objectify them, We absorb whatever they can 220 00:14:45,880 --> 00:14:49,200 Speaker 1: give us, so long as they remain silent about who 221 00:14:49,280 --> 00:14:51,880 Speaker 1: they are in terms in that aspect, and I think 222 00:14:51,880 --> 00:14:55,560 Speaker 1: that's kind of shitty because, yeah, Kim Kardashian is always 223 00:14:55,600 --> 00:14:59,240 Speaker 1: exuding her sexuality all over the place and people enjoy that, 224 00:14:59,560 --> 00:15:02,560 Speaker 1: and she's rich, rich, rich off of it. So why 225 00:15:02,600 --> 00:15:04,960 Speaker 1: can't Luke to talk about you know, That's why I 226 00:15:05,000 --> 00:15:08,240 Speaker 1: respect Frank Osan, because Frank Osan flipped it. Frank Osen 227 00:15:08,360 --> 00:15:10,160 Speaker 1: was like, I'm a thing about what I want to sing. 228 00:15:10,240 --> 00:15:12,520 Speaker 1: I'm about to tell y'all how much I like, yeah, 229 00:15:13,400 --> 00:15:15,400 Speaker 1: and you can rock with it or you can leave 230 00:15:15,440 --> 00:15:18,680 Speaker 1: it alone. And I respect that. I'm like, why why 231 00:15:18,720 --> 00:15:22,120 Speaker 1: aren't you able? We got We've been hearing these these 232 00:15:22,160 --> 00:15:26,080 Speaker 1: other stories forever. Why not them again? Even more to 233 00:15:26,160 --> 00:15:29,120 Speaker 1: that point, Frank did it at a time where it 234 00:15:29,200 --> 00:15:34,560 Speaker 1: wasn't a convenient choice, right that, Like, I think Frank's 235 00:15:34,600 --> 00:15:37,200 Speaker 1: you know, Frank probably came out if I'm remembering correctly, 236 00:15:37,280 --> 00:15:41,880 Speaker 1: twenty fourteen, even it might have been that around that 237 00:15:42,000 --> 00:15:46,000 Speaker 1: time with with Channel Orange and or at least preceding 238 00:15:46,200 --> 00:15:49,720 Speaker 1: Channel orangin part of that it's his first album. He 239 00:15:49,800 --> 00:15:54,600 Speaker 1: doesn't there's no this isn't a guaranteed like great response 240 00:15:54,680 --> 00:15:57,200 Speaker 1: from the internet and from the communities that are receiving 241 00:15:57,240 --> 00:15:59,920 Speaker 1: this he could have easily been put in a bucket 242 00:16:00,040 --> 00:16:03,160 Speaker 1: that that ruins his career, but he's like, nah, this 243 00:16:03,240 --> 00:16:05,320 Speaker 1: is who I am. I want y'all to know who 244 00:16:05,320 --> 00:16:08,600 Speaker 1: I'm singing about and what these words actually mean, or 245 00:16:08,600 --> 00:16:10,920 Speaker 1: at least some of what it means. And I'm not 246 00:16:10,960 --> 00:16:14,200 Speaker 1: gonna like hide behind the facade of sort of like 247 00:16:14,360 --> 00:16:19,600 Speaker 1: veiled general sex syenus in in order to get that across. 248 00:16:19,920 --> 00:16:23,040 Speaker 1: I love Frank Ocean that that mixtape that he made 249 00:16:23,040 --> 00:16:25,920 Speaker 1: before the album is probably one of the best pieces 250 00:16:25,960 --> 00:16:29,760 Speaker 1: of musical art that I've heard. I mean, I I 251 00:16:29,800 --> 00:16:33,640 Speaker 1: love I love Frank Ocean. Everything that he does that 252 00:16:33,720 --> 00:16:38,000 Speaker 1: Channel Orange album is epic, and you know, just to 253 00:16:38,120 --> 00:16:41,360 Speaker 1: hear someone just being true and I think, you know, 254 00:16:41,520 --> 00:16:44,520 Speaker 1: Frank Ocean is younger than I am, and to he 255 00:16:44,720 --> 00:16:49,320 Speaker 1: to see someone at that age teaching somebody older and 256 00:16:49,320 --> 00:16:51,400 Speaker 1: I would say people older than me because I grew 257 00:16:51,480 --> 00:16:54,480 Speaker 1: up around people that were fluid and people that were queer. 258 00:16:55,080 --> 00:16:59,640 Speaker 1: But it's dope. I love it, and I'm somewhere just 259 00:16:59,680 --> 00:17:01,880 Speaker 1: goes it down. If I don't get it. People who 260 00:17:01,920 --> 00:17:05,720 Speaker 1: get so bothered by this stuff, like go somewhere. This 261 00:17:05,800 --> 00:17:12,479 Speaker 1: is not an invitation that sit down Yeah, don't make 262 00:17:12,520 --> 00:17:16,000 Speaker 1: it weird. Just enjoy the thing or or move elsewhere. 263 00:17:16,040 --> 00:17:18,640 Speaker 1: But you don't. You don't have to make this your 264 00:17:18,720 --> 00:17:27,920 Speaker 1: ship either. Luther sweated so that Frank Ocean could perspire there. 265 00:17:27,920 --> 00:17:29,840 Speaker 1: It is. We got to put that on a T 266 00:17:29,960 --> 00:17:35,879 Speaker 1: shirt somewhere. Okay, let me ask you this, because I 267 00:17:35,920 --> 00:17:38,919 Speaker 1: do think this is an interesting element to it. Right, 268 00:17:38,960 --> 00:17:41,920 Speaker 1: You're introducing this Frank Ocean conversation, which I think is 269 00:17:41,960 --> 00:17:44,160 Speaker 1: really important, of him making the choice to come out 270 00:17:44,520 --> 00:17:47,480 Speaker 1: be public with his sexuality in a way that we 271 00:17:47,640 --> 00:17:50,400 Speaker 1: haven't seen from a lot of artists, certainly not at 272 00:17:50,400 --> 00:17:55,240 Speaker 1: that point in American history. What do you then think 273 00:17:55,560 --> 00:17:59,760 Speaker 1: is the root cause of Luther not feeling that same 274 00:18:00,040 --> 00:18:04,080 Speaker 1: safety to do what Frank did, or at least even 275 00:18:04,119 --> 00:18:07,879 Speaker 1: remotely introduced the idea that he might be not a 276 00:18:08,440 --> 00:18:13,240 Speaker 1: heteronormative man performing in front of you know, women who 277 00:18:13,240 --> 00:18:16,560 Speaker 1: were swooning for him. I think it's generational, Like I think, 278 00:18:16,960 --> 00:18:19,560 Speaker 1: I don't think Frank Ocean felt safe at all. I 279 00:18:19,560 --> 00:18:23,280 Speaker 1: think Frank Ocean took a chance and and knew you know, 280 00:18:23,359 --> 00:18:26,800 Speaker 1: the toxic masculinity has been around forever. I mean, it's 281 00:18:26,840 --> 00:18:30,080 Speaker 1: connected to everything that has been a problem for all 282 00:18:30,160 --> 00:18:34,480 Speaker 1: people on the planet. But I think that Luther was 283 00:18:34,560 --> 00:18:37,840 Speaker 1: probably more engulfed in a generation of people that were 284 00:18:37,880 --> 00:18:41,960 Speaker 1: religious because Luther did a lot of you know, a 285 00:18:42,000 --> 00:18:45,399 Speaker 1: lot of music that you know, he he sang, you know, 286 00:18:45,520 --> 00:18:47,960 Speaker 1: could sing a gospel song just as much as a 287 00:18:48,040 --> 00:18:50,800 Speaker 1: love song. And I think that it was generational. It 288 00:18:50,840 --> 00:18:53,800 Speaker 1: was a lot of religious connection to a lot of 289 00:18:53,800 --> 00:18:57,280 Speaker 1: singers from that era who who initially started in the church. 290 00:18:58,040 --> 00:19:00,480 Speaker 1: I think there was a lot of that. And I 291 00:19:01,160 --> 00:19:04,960 Speaker 1: do think that the social consequences for being gay during 292 00:19:05,000 --> 00:19:08,840 Speaker 1: a time when AIDS became popular and people were hearing 293 00:19:08,880 --> 00:19:12,119 Speaker 1: a lot about AIDS was probably something that would deter 294 00:19:12,440 --> 00:19:17,560 Speaker 1: somebody from saying they were gay because the identifying I mean, yeah, 295 00:19:17,640 --> 00:19:22,400 Speaker 1: people would associate being queer with being with AIDS at 296 00:19:22,440 --> 00:19:25,960 Speaker 1: that time, a gay disease is what they used to 297 00:19:26,000 --> 00:19:28,679 Speaker 1: call it. And I think people would be like, no, 298 00:19:29,000 --> 00:19:31,439 Speaker 1: I'm gonna just I'm gonna just roll with this, you know, 299 00:19:31,560 --> 00:19:35,000 Speaker 1: I'm gonna just not say anything. I can't imagine. I 300 00:19:35,040 --> 00:19:39,119 Speaker 1: can't imagine how hard it must have been at that time. Yeah, 301 00:19:39,440 --> 00:19:42,920 Speaker 1: I think that's a super fair point, and it it 302 00:19:42,960 --> 00:19:46,239 Speaker 1: makes me think about we we've done episodes on like 303 00:19:46,400 --> 00:19:49,560 Speaker 1: Easy E and and even we've talked a bunch on 304 00:19:49,600 --> 00:19:55,000 Speaker 1: this show about Magic Johnson and just how quickly during 305 00:19:55,040 --> 00:19:59,080 Speaker 1: the periods that they were sort of their HIV positive 306 00:19:59,160 --> 00:20:02,520 Speaker 1: a they get AIDS, whatever it is for them, and 307 00:20:02,560 --> 00:20:07,320 Speaker 1: how quickly it turns into a conversation accusing them of 308 00:20:07,359 --> 00:20:11,040 Speaker 1: being homosexual, accusing them of sort of having like these 309 00:20:11,040 --> 00:20:15,920 Speaker 1: sordid affairs with men simply because it is a quote 310 00:20:16,000 --> 00:20:19,440 Speaker 1: unquote gay disease at that period, at that point in time, 311 00:20:19,440 --> 00:20:22,320 Speaker 1: we're calling it something that it isn't. It doesn't need 312 00:20:22,400 --> 00:20:25,240 Speaker 1: to be, and it it isn't. But that's that's what 313 00:20:25,359 --> 00:20:28,600 Speaker 1: the world is. And so to your point, Luther may 314 00:20:28,600 --> 00:20:31,960 Speaker 1: be making a choice to sort of like push against 315 00:20:32,000 --> 00:20:37,280 Speaker 1: that connection by simply keeping his business to himself. And 316 00:20:37,760 --> 00:20:41,200 Speaker 1: especially in the hip hop community, I can't even imagine, 317 00:20:41,320 --> 00:20:44,520 Speaker 1: you know, like look at the stuff that Little Nozex 318 00:20:44,600 --> 00:20:49,760 Speaker 1: goes through ine and lons X pushes back and leans 319 00:20:49,800 --> 00:20:53,640 Speaker 1: into it. But I mean, people are really bothered by 320 00:20:53,720 --> 00:20:56,080 Speaker 1: I don't, Like I said, I don't know for the 321 00:20:56,119 --> 00:20:59,640 Speaker 1: life of me why people care so much about other 322 00:20:59,680 --> 00:21:05,240 Speaker 1: people sexuality, sexual preferences and identities. I don't I don't 323 00:21:05,280 --> 00:21:09,600 Speaker 1: for me. You could tell me and I identify as 324 00:21:10,080 --> 00:21:12,040 Speaker 1: elemental P and that's what I want you to call me. 325 00:21:12,040 --> 00:21:17,399 Speaker 1: I'll be like a elemental like crab nets, because let's go. 326 00:21:18,240 --> 00:21:20,199 Speaker 1: I just don't. I'm just saying why people got so 327 00:21:20,320 --> 00:21:24,880 Speaker 1: preoccupied with other people's business like that. Yeah, I do 328 00:21:25,040 --> 00:21:28,600 Speaker 1: think to some extent I feel weird about this, not 329 00:21:28,680 --> 00:21:30,920 Speaker 1: because I I disagree with you at all. I think 330 00:21:30,920 --> 00:21:34,159 Speaker 1: you're absolutely right we should just mind our business. But 331 00:21:34,200 --> 00:21:36,159 Speaker 1: I'm nosey as funk. I do want to know what 332 00:21:36,240 --> 00:21:38,720 Speaker 1: people who people are working and how they're doing it, 333 00:21:38,760 --> 00:21:41,560 Speaker 1: but not because either version of it grosses me out 334 00:21:41,720 --> 00:21:43,680 Speaker 1: or any version of it grosses me out, but more 335 00:21:43,680 --> 00:21:45,960 Speaker 1: because I want to copy you know what I mean, 336 00:21:46,000 --> 00:21:48,040 Speaker 1: Like I'm trying to do something weird with my wife 337 00:21:48,119 --> 00:21:50,919 Speaker 1: and see what she's into, and like let me know. 338 00:21:51,200 --> 00:21:53,760 Speaker 1: In part of I think to your point, if we 339 00:21:53,920 --> 00:21:57,760 Speaker 1: spent more time allowing people to just voice exactly who 340 00:21:57,800 --> 00:22:01,560 Speaker 1: they are in a public way, we all become more 341 00:22:01,760 --> 00:22:05,080 Speaker 1: liberal and comfortable in our own bodies, that we all 342 00:22:05,200 --> 00:22:09,919 Speaker 1: can suddenly that our expectations shift and now it's not 343 00:22:10,400 --> 00:22:13,879 Speaker 1: this scary, dangerous thing that a man presses into another 344 00:22:13,920 --> 00:22:16,800 Speaker 1: man it's just like, oh, that's what y'all do. I'm 345 00:22:16,800 --> 00:22:19,240 Speaker 1: gonna try that out but in my way and see 346 00:22:19,280 --> 00:22:21,960 Speaker 1: if that makes me feel more whole as a person. 347 00:22:22,359 --> 00:22:27,280 Speaker 1: Yeah absolutely, if also it'll it just listen. I think 348 00:22:27,320 --> 00:22:30,960 Speaker 1: that the people who continue to be afraid of the 349 00:22:31,440 --> 00:22:34,200 Speaker 1: that's what it is is underneath of it. Underneath it, 350 00:22:34,200 --> 00:22:37,760 Speaker 1: it's fear, because if you don't agree with the lifestyle, 351 00:22:38,960 --> 00:22:41,600 Speaker 1: you know, like my example, my goal to example, I 352 00:22:41,680 --> 00:22:45,200 Speaker 1: don't really like country music like that. I don't ever 353 00:22:45,240 --> 00:22:47,320 Speaker 1: go to Garth Brooks page and be like yo, yo, 354 00:22:47,320 --> 00:22:50,639 Speaker 1: shot is trash like I never you know what I'm saying, 355 00:22:50,960 --> 00:22:53,880 Speaker 1: never do this is not my thing. I just don't 356 00:22:53,920 --> 00:22:57,119 Speaker 1: listen to country music. And I think that it is 357 00:22:57,200 --> 00:23:00,359 Speaker 1: this very interesting to me how people feel the need 358 00:23:00,440 --> 00:23:04,120 Speaker 1: to police others. And it has something to do with you, 359 00:23:04,280 --> 00:23:06,720 Speaker 1: because the only things that I react to react to 360 00:23:06,880 --> 00:23:10,120 Speaker 1: like that where there where you feel a visceral reaction 361 00:23:10,200 --> 00:23:13,520 Speaker 1: for me, or it's something that it's it pokes at 362 00:23:13,640 --> 00:23:16,840 Speaker 1: something that I'm feeling within myself. Sure you know what 363 00:23:16,880 --> 00:23:19,760 Speaker 1: I'm saying. So lesbians can be around me having an 364 00:23:19,880 --> 00:23:24,800 Speaker 1: orgy and I'm not gonna be like, oh, I'm gonna 365 00:23:24,840 --> 00:23:29,480 Speaker 1: beat everybody with a belt. This is wrong. I just 366 00:23:29,520 --> 00:23:32,280 Speaker 1: be like, I'm I'm gonna go outside because y'all might 367 00:23:32,359 --> 00:23:35,920 Speaker 1: get something on me, and I'm gonna I like this shirt. 368 00:23:36,320 --> 00:23:39,000 Speaker 1: You know, I'm not at where I need pussy juice 369 00:23:39,040 --> 00:23:43,480 Speaker 1: flying on my good show. Yeah, I'll walk away, But 370 00:23:43,480 --> 00:23:46,439 Speaker 1: but do your vot you know, can videotape it, but 371 00:23:46,520 --> 00:23:50,359 Speaker 1: I'm not, you know, I just I just don't understand 372 00:23:50,480 --> 00:23:52,399 Speaker 1: why it's it's such a big deal. And I do 373 00:23:52,480 --> 00:23:55,840 Speaker 1: believe that because of those things, it's probably why someone 374 00:23:55,880 --> 00:23:59,879 Speaker 1: like Luther who made so much money on love music 375 00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:03,320 Speaker 1: that he was also protecting his bag. You know what 376 00:24:03,359 --> 00:24:07,679 Speaker 1: I'm saying, like so many people, I mean, I everybody 377 00:24:07,680 --> 00:24:10,439 Speaker 1: that I know when they list like top ten love songs, 378 00:24:10,480 --> 00:24:13,200 Speaker 1: they always got to loop the song on the Yeah. 379 00:24:13,600 --> 00:24:16,639 Speaker 1: I even even as you're saying it, I'm thinking of 380 00:24:16,680 --> 00:24:19,000 Speaker 1: top ten, like top tens in my head and like 381 00:24:19,119 --> 00:24:22,960 Speaker 1: immediately here and now boom, that's right, it's up there, 382 00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:24,600 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. I can't think of many 383 00:24:24,720 --> 00:24:27,960 Speaker 1: that are above that. And I think you made the 384 00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:30,359 Speaker 1: point earlier and that we should cover this before we 385 00:24:30,440 --> 00:24:33,400 Speaker 1: run off the break. But I think it's also important 386 00:24:33,400 --> 00:24:36,520 Speaker 1: you talked about safety. You talked about sort of like this, 387 00:24:36,520 --> 00:24:39,919 Speaker 1: this question of whether or not people feel safe or 388 00:24:39,920 --> 00:24:42,800 Speaker 1: afraid or whatever it is. And I think part of 389 00:24:42,800 --> 00:24:46,199 Speaker 1: the way that they take advantage of this, this fear 390 00:24:46,320 --> 00:24:51,120 Speaker 1: and this safety is by conflating those things with religion. Right, 391 00:24:51,200 --> 00:24:54,280 Speaker 1: So you make it so that if you are not 392 00:24:54,760 --> 00:24:58,560 Speaker 1: following this set of rules, this this traditional set of norms, 393 00:24:58,960 --> 00:25:02,159 Speaker 1: you are not only safe for your lifestyle, but you 394 00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:05,800 Speaker 1: are unsafe for your eternal soul. And so all these 395 00:25:05,840 --> 00:25:09,720 Speaker 1: people start to hate the idea of Luther v. Andrew's 396 00:25:09,760 --> 00:25:12,119 Speaker 1: coming out and being his free of self because it 397 00:25:12,359 --> 00:25:16,040 Speaker 1: could potentially damn their eternal soul. And that's a pretty 398 00:25:16,160 --> 00:25:19,080 Speaker 1: fucked up weight to put on both ends of things, 399 00:25:19,359 --> 00:25:21,840 Speaker 1: that both the people that are hating and the person 400 00:25:21,920 --> 00:25:24,359 Speaker 1: that is hated. Yeah, but you know, you know, and 401 00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:26,680 Speaker 1: that's funny because it's it's simp a critical to me. 402 00:25:26,800 --> 00:25:29,239 Speaker 1: I grew up in the church. I'm like, y'all know what, 403 00:25:29,320 --> 00:25:33,280 Speaker 1: y'all don't ever feel that condemned when you find out 404 00:25:33,280 --> 00:25:36,320 Speaker 1: other people are sucking before they get married, you know 405 00:25:36,320 --> 00:25:39,240 Speaker 1: what I'm saying, that they're fornicating. You know, y'all make 406 00:25:39,320 --> 00:25:42,280 Speaker 1: jokes about the pastor fucking the lady and the pew 407 00:25:42,480 --> 00:25:44,920 Speaker 1: and cheating on his wife. You don't worry about your 408 00:25:45,080 --> 00:25:48,360 Speaker 1: your eternity. When you make jokes about side bitches. You're 409 00:25:48,359 --> 00:25:51,680 Speaker 1: not like, oh, you got a side bach. You're not saying, 410 00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:54,000 Speaker 1: oh a burn in hell because I got a side bitch. 411 00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:58,359 Speaker 1: Why it's a fascination with this stuff that that is 412 00:25:58,400 --> 00:26:01,639 Speaker 1: really intriguing to me. That it's like, why are you 413 00:26:01,680 --> 00:26:04,399 Speaker 1: worried about it so much? If God is who you 414 00:26:04,520 --> 00:26:06,800 Speaker 1: say God is, then God gonna take care of it. 415 00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:09,880 Speaker 1: Why are you talking to guy's business? Yeah, And it's 416 00:26:09,920 --> 00:26:13,720 Speaker 1: not like God was like, yo, these you can't break, 417 00:26:13,800 --> 00:26:16,560 Speaker 1: but these other ones you you go crazy. You can 418 00:26:17,040 --> 00:26:18,960 Speaker 1: you can eat out the neighbor as much as you want, 419 00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:22,360 Speaker 1: but don't you get or suck the neighbor's dick. That's 420 00:26:22,359 --> 00:26:24,800 Speaker 1: how dare you? It's like, now, it's like all this 421 00:26:24,920 --> 00:26:28,119 Speaker 1: is and you're all sinners, So figure out how to 422 00:26:28,160 --> 00:26:31,080 Speaker 1: be the best version of yourselves. That doesn't really matter 423 00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:35,119 Speaker 1: until you know your your rooster comes to calling. You 424 00:26:35,119 --> 00:26:40,720 Speaker 1: know that's and that's quoted from the Bible. Your rooster 425 00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:44,600 Speaker 1: comes to calling, I think is that's in job somewhere 426 00:26:46,520 --> 00:26:49,200 Speaker 1: you know what, The scariest scripture I ever saw in 427 00:26:49,240 --> 00:26:53,720 Speaker 1: the Bible was about clergy. Like the Bible was scary, right, 428 00:26:54,200 --> 00:26:57,320 Speaker 1: the Bible said, better you not be born than to 429 00:26:57,480 --> 00:27:01,480 Speaker 1: mislead my sheep. Like that just creep me out. So 430 00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:04,439 Speaker 1: so that means that all y'all people that are walking 431 00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:08,719 Speaker 1: around leading the people and telling the people and condemning, 432 00:27:09,040 --> 00:27:11,720 Speaker 1: you know, the poor gay feller in the church that's 433 00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:15,280 Speaker 1: scared to come out and you condemning him, the consequences 434 00:27:15,280 --> 00:27:17,200 Speaker 1: seem like they might be a little worse for you. 435 00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:24,800 Speaker 1: Better you not be born an abortion, right, He's like, bitch, 436 00:27:24,840 --> 00:27:27,919 Speaker 1: I'd rather you didn't exist than trick a bunch of 437 00:27:27,920 --> 00:27:31,399 Speaker 1: people into believe in some bullshit exactly. So, I don't 438 00:27:31,440 --> 00:27:34,400 Speaker 1: know what y'all doing out there, but I'm gonna tell 439 00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:39,400 Speaker 1: y'all stop stop, you better stop. All right, We're gonna 440 00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:41,920 Speaker 1: take a break. We'll be back with more Ida Rodriguez 441 00:27:41,920 --> 00:28:05,440 Speaker 1: and more, my mama told me. And we are who sees, Yeah, 442 00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:08,399 Speaker 1: we're back here with more Ida rodre Yes, more, my 443 00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:11,880 Speaker 1: mama told me. We're still talking about God Damn. Luther 444 00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:16,119 Speaker 1: Vandros arguably the greatest the male singer of all time, 445 00:28:16,600 --> 00:28:20,160 Speaker 1: and his difficult, difficult history with coming out and being 446 00:28:20,280 --> 00:28:23,920 Speaker 1: honest and honest. What is honest sharing with the world 447 00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:26,680 Speaker 1: what he what he truly felt in his heart, which 448 00:28:26,760 --> 00:28:28,879 Speaker 1: is that he wanted to kiss some boys. He wanted 449 00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:34,440 Speaker 1: to to hug and kiss some sweet men. I didn't 450 00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:36,760 Speaker 1: have to make that sound silly. I could have respected 451 00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:39,000 Speaker 1: it and and been more decent to it. But you 452 00:28:39,080 --> 00:28:41,360 Speaker 1: know this is where I'm at Ida, this is how 453 00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:46,360 Speaker 1: I behave Hell. Yeah, let's jump into some of this 454 00:28:46,560 --> 00:28:50,560 Speaker 1: research because I do think some of this is It's 455 00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:52,920 Speaker 1: not gonna blow your mind. I'll be I'll be honest 456 00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:55,680 Speaker 1: with you up front, because all of the research more 457 00:28:55,840 --> 00:28:59,840 Speaker 1: or less confirmed what we already know to be true 458 00:29:00,520 --> 00:29:04,760 Speaker 1: or to be allegedly true about Luther Vandro's but it will, 459 00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:08,320 Speaker 1: I think, introduce some questions that I would love to 460 00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:10,480 Speaker 1: hear a bunch of your perspective one, because I do 461 00:29:10,600 --> 00:29:14,680 Speaker 1: think they are somewhat challenging questions. So so let's launch in. 462 00:29:15,360 --> 00:29:18,320 Speaker 1: It seems to me that a fair amount of everything 463 00:29:18,360 --> 00:29:21,440 Speaker 1: I found sort of confirms what we already know to 464 00:29:21,560 --> 00:29:24,760 Speaker 1: be true, is that Luther Vandro spent the the whole 465 00:29:24,840 --> 00:29:27,720 Speaker 1: of his fifty four years on this planet before he 466 00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:31,000 Speaker 1: died in two thousand five, having to keep a secret 467 00:29:31,120 --> 00:29:34,320 Speaker 1: about what he actually felt, which is that he was 468 00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:37,880 Speaker 1: a homosexual man singing about men. That that seems to 469 00:29:37,960 --> 00:29:41,520 Speaker 1: be confirmed, and it's largely confirmed by a bunch of 470 00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:45,560 Speaker 1: other celebrities and peers in the industry that like a 471 00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:48,560 Speaker 1: lot of his friends, came forward in the wake of 472 00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:54,040 Speaker 1: his death to share the information that Luther was secretly gay, 473 00:29:54,760 --> 00:30:00,920 Speaker 1: dose snitch as bitches. You can't even trust somebody you die, 474 00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:06,800 Speaker 1: So that to me is the core of the question 475 00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:09,760 Speaker 1: that this introduces that I really would love to hear 476 00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:13,400 Speaker 1: your thoughts on, because there is a laundry list, a 477 00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:16,600 Speaker 1: literal laundry list of celebrities who come for who have 478 00:30:16,760 --> 00:30:21,240 Speaker 1: come forward talking about their relationships, not sexual relationships, but 479 00:30:21,360 --> 00:30:25,000 Speaker 1: just closeness to Luther and the secrets that they shared 480 00:30:25,080 --> 00:30:28,800 Speaker 1: between the two of them. And I'm wondering what is 481 00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:32,560 Speaker 1: the responsibility in all of this? Do they do they 482 00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:35,080 Speaker 1: owe it to him to keep his secret and keep 483 00:30:35,120 --> 00:30:38,840 Speaker 1: it going? Should they? Should they feel okay sharing his secret? 484 00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:40,480 Speaker 1: I want to know what you think. You know what 485 00:30:40,680 --> 00:30:43,680 Speaker 1: I think that if it was a secret, you should 486 00:30:43,680 --> 00:30:47,160 Speaker 1: have kept it. And I'm almost curious to think how 487 00:30:47,280 --> 00:30:51,000 Speaker 1: relevant these people are, who would say, who would tell 488 00:30:51,080 --> 00:30:53,880 Speaker 1: the secret and see if that would get them some hits, 489 00:30:54,520 --> 00:30:58,560 Speaker 1: because you know what I'm saying, like, let's say you 490 00:30:58,680 --> 00:31:01,760 Speaker 1: had a a sit com in the eighties and nobody 491 00:31:01,880 --> 00:31:04,360 Speaker 1: checks for you no more, they put a microphone in 492 00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:07,719 Speaker 1: your face, but actually they skipped past you to somebody 493 00:31:07,800 --> 00:31:09,840 Speaker 1: who's relevant on the red carpet, and you're like, you 494 00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:13,040 Speaker 1: know what, nothing was gay And then they get the 495 00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:16,080 Speaker 1: camera into them and that and they're like, oh, okay, 496 00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:20,200 Speaker 1: all right, yeah, go wait a minute, you ain't gotta 497 00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:23,040 Speaker 1: keep walking, come back, don't step and repeat, just to 498 00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:26,560 Speaker 1: step this way. So I think that that's interesting and 499 00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:29,360 Speaker 1: too if he didn't want you to know when it 500 00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:33,000 Speaker 1: was when he was alive, what would be the benefit 501 00:31:33,080 --> 00:31:37,320 Speaker 1: of telling somebody after his passing. Yeah, that and that 502 00:31:37,560 --> 00:31:40,160 Speaker 1: was one of the things that I sort of struggled 503 00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:42,800 Speaker 1: with even as I was reading some of the sort 504 00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:45,680 Speaker 1: of like breakdowns the pieces of information. I found. One 505 00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:48,440 Speaker 1: of the first people that I bumped into who sort 506 00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:52,760 Speaker 1: of talked about Luther sexuality and he does remain a 507 00:31:52,840 --> 00:31:56,240 Speaker 1: pretty relevant person at least in pop culture is Lenny Kravitz. 508 00:31:56,680 --> 00:32:00,160 Speaker 1: Lenny Kravitz wrote in his book, and this is I 509 00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:02,560 Speaker 1: think it starts to connect to some of what you're saying, 510 00:32:03,040 --> 00:32:06,600 Speaker 1: is that he waited until he had an autobiography. He's 511 00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:09,680 Speaker 1: putting together a memoir that he's putting together, and then 512 00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:13,720 Speaker 1: he talks about a relationship that day that Lenny Kravitz 513 00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:16,720 Speaker 1: he was a roommate in the early parts of his 514 00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:19,640 Speaker 1: career with this dude, David Lastly, who was a writer, 515 00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:23,520 Speaker 1: producer and worked closely with Luther and Lenny, says that 516 00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:28,000 Speaker 1: in the conversations he heard Luther had had with David Lastly, 517 00:32:28,560 --> 00:32:32,440 Speaker 1: he understood Luther to be a very deeply sad and 518 00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:36,400 Speaker 1: lonely person who was not able to ever come out 519 00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:39,480 Speaker 1: and you know, express his sexuality in the way that 520 00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:43,240 Speaker 1: he wanted to. That's what happens when your ex wife 521 00:32:43,280 --> 00:32:49,600 Speaker 1: marries Kyle Jogo. You know what I'm about to tell 522 00:32:49,680 --> 00:32:54,400 Speaker 1: it all? Yeah, yeah, I just think that I like 523 00:32:54,600 --> 00:32:56,920 Speaker 1: Lenny Kravitz. I'm a Lenny Kravitz fan, but I I 524 00:32:57,360 --> 00:33:00,600 Speaker 1: just think that that lacks integrity. Like if if you knew, 525 00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:02,479 Speaker 1: I mean, if you if this is based on your 526 00:33:02,560 --> 00:33:04,920 Speaker 1: suspicions and you want to tell somebody about it, and 527 00:33:05,040 --> 00:33:08,880 Speaker 1: this is what your your speculation is. I guess it's 528 00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:10,680 Speaker 1: one thing. But if it was a secret, and you 529 00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:13,160 Speaker 1: knew it was a secret, what's the point in telling 530 00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:15,360 Speaker 1: anybody now? Like what you're gonna out the people he 531 00:33:15,520 --> 00:33:18,080 Speaker 1: was with, Like, it just brings pain to the people 532 00:33:18,120 --> 00:33:24,160 Speaker 1: who love him. Yeah, and I think even more confusing, challenging. 533 00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:28,160 Speaker 1: The harder part of this decision is that this wasn't 534 00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:33,120 Speaker 1: even firsthand information from Luther. Right, you are overhearing a 535 00:33:33,280 --> 00:33:37,760 Speaker 1: private conversation in phone calls and then sharing that information 536 00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:40,640 Speaker 1: in a public way. And it's like, all right, if 537 00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:44,240 Speaker 1: Luther told you personally, maybe there's more of a gray 538 00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:46,959 Speaker 1: area and you sharing this as a part of your 539 00:33:47,040 --> 00:33:49,920 Speaker 1: personal journey. But for you to just be like, hey, 540 00:33:49,960 --> 00:33:51,720 Speaker 1: you know what I heard on the phone one time 541 00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:55,040 Speaker 1: when I was chilling at the crib, is that's that's dangerous? 542 00:33:55,160 --> 00:33:57,320 Speaker 1: You know what I mean? Yeah, it's not cool. I 543 00:33:57,760 --> 00:34:03,200 Speaker 1: don't think that's cool. Yeah, Okay, here's another example. Bruce Valanche. 544 00:34:03,320 --> 00:34:06,960 Speaker 1: You know Bruce Valanche. You're familiar with Bruce Valance. He's 545 00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:11,520 Speaker 1: a dude who's guests, a comedian, a comedic writer. He's 546 00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:14,800 Speaker 1: always in a scooter. He looks real crazy. You'll recognize 547 00:34:14,840 --> 00:34:17,560 Speaker 1: him as soon as you see him. But Bruce Valanche, 548 00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:21,560 Speaker 1: for some reason was very close friends with Luther Vandross. 549 00:34:21,640 --> 00:34:25,000 Speaker 1: I had no idea. I don't I don't know why 550 00:34:25,120 --> 00:34:28,960 Speaker 1: these two people would have ever looked at each other 551 00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:30,920 Speaker 1: and wanted to hang out other than the fact that 552 00:34:31,239 --> 00:34:34,399 Speaker 1: they were both. I guess Bruce is gay and Luther 553 00:34:34,600 --> 00:34:37,160 Speaker 1: was allegedly gay, so maybe it was some you know, 554 00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:40,680 Speaker 1: cool gay ship that they were hanging out on. Either way, 555 00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:45,440 Speaker 1: Bruce Valanche says that Luther spent the entirety of his 556 00:34:45,600 --> 00:34:48,839 Speaker 1: life and career deeply in the closet. That those are 557 00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:51,920 Speaker 1: the words that that he he used, and sort of 558 00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:55,279 Speaker 1: what says that his friend constantly wished that he could 559 00:34:55,320 --> 00:34:57,800 Speaker 1: have had a boyfriend. That's what he talks about, is 560 00:34:57,880 --> 00:35:00,640 Speaker 1: that by the end of his career and life, he 561 00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:07,000 Speaker 1: just really wanted a boyfriend. Should get in line, Bruce, Luther, 562 00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:12,040 Speaker 1: we all just want a boyfriend. Like I said, I 563 00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:15,560 Speaker 1: think it's kind of it's kind of corny to tell 564 00:35:15,640 --> 00:35:19,280 Speaker 1: on somebody after they you know that, because that there 565 00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:22,640 Speaker 1: are no consequences for that, like from the person. Yea, 566 00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:25,120 Speaker 1: you feel like Luther's cousins. The need they need to 567 00:35:25,160 --> 00:35:27,680 Speaker 1: go get all these people talking about Luther. They need 568 00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:29,920 Speaker 1: to go put hands on all these people. Yeah, just 569 00:35:30,040 --> 00:35:33,120 Speaker 1: beat the ship out of Bruce Valande, break his big 570 00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:38,360 Speaker 1: as red glasses, you know what I mean? Why you 571 00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:40,400 Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, Like, why y'all snitching on the 572 00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:43,120 Speaker 1: alley like this is? I don't know. I just think 573 00:35:43,880 --> 00:35:47,120 Speaker 1: I wouldn't do that too. I mean, any of my 574 00:35:47,239 --> 00:35:49,080 Speaker 1: friends that they passed away, I wouldn't tell none of 575 00:35:49,120 --> 00:35:52,600 Speaker 1: the secrets. Yeah, I do think, And you made this 576 00:35:53,160 --> 00:35:56,880 Speaker 1: point earlier, and I think it's one worth repeating. Is that. 577 00:35:57,239 --> 00:35:59,840 Speaker 1: The The other sort of like frustrating part of this 578 00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:03,600 Speaker 1: is is if Luther were allowed to be his free 579 00:36:03,640 --> 00:36:08,759 Speaker 1: of self, him wanting a boyfriend wouldn't even be newsworthy, right, 580 00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:14,600 Speaker 1: Like that's not an interesting tidbit about a legendary performer 581 00:36:14,680 --> 00:36:18,040 Speaker 1: and singer. That's just some ship we all go through. 582 00:36:18,200 --> 00:36:22,440 Speaker 1: But because he wasn't allowed to be himself, this very small, 583 00:36:22,719 --> 00:36:27,800 Speaker 1: almost meaningless piece of information now becomes coveted and treated 584 00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:31,359 Speaker 1: as like gossip. And that's crazy. Yeah, I know it's 585 00:36:31,520 --> 00:36:34,880 Speaker 1: You're right, it's true. And you know, like you know, 586 00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:38,560 Speaker 1: all these women who they got whole reality shows trying 587 00:36:38,600 --> 00:36:41,720 Speaker 1: to find a man. You got men and our reality 588 00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:44,839 Speaker 1: reality shows trying to find a woman. They've got all 589 00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:48,680 Speaker 1: kinds of different versions of this show. Naked and people 590 00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:51,040 Speaker 1: and running through the jungle trying to find and made 591 00:36:51,080 --> 00:36:54,640 Speaker 1: people going to an island, detesting each other with sex, 592 00:36:55,120 --> 00:36:57,399 Speaker 1: you know, nineteen Bitches in the House trying to get 593 00:36:57,440 --> 00:37:00,440 Speaker 1: a roll from corny Dude every week on the Monday. 594 00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:02,680 Speaker 1: They are all kinds of versions that and you know, 595 00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:05,759 Speaker 1: people find it is entertained that they're not writing think 596 00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:09,560 Speaker 1: pieces about it. Or but poor Luther, who just wanted 597 00:37:09,600 --> 00:37:12,840 Speaker 1: to be with somebody that loved him and that he loved, 598 00:37:12,840 --> 00:37:17,759 Speaker 1: couldn't even live out loud because it could affect his career. Yeah, 599 00:37:18,040 --> 00:37:20,560 Speaker 1: you know, get kicked out of the church or whatever 600 00:37:20,680 --> 00:37:25,000 Speaker 1: it was, had to live. That's just foolishness. We talked 601 00:37:25,040 --> 00:37:26,959 Speaker 1: too much time on our hands to be worried about 602 00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:30,239 Speaker 1: other people's business, truly, And and can I just say 603 00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:32,960 Speaker 1: that that if they changed the name of The Bachelor 604 00:37:33,080 --> 00:37:37,239 Speaker 1: to nineteen Bitches in the House, I watch, I would watch. 605 00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:39,520 Speaker 1: I know they lose a lot of viewers who we 606 00:37:39,560 --> 00:37:44,879 Speaker 1: are sensitive about language and the weird misogyny cooked into 607 00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:48,400 Speaker 1: calling people bitches. But no, I would watch nineteen Bitches 608 00:37:48,440 --> 00:37:50,200 Speaker 1: in the House. That sounds like a great show to me. 609 00:37:50,280 --> 00:37:54,120 Speaker 1: And I'm subscribing immediately and listen in the true fashion 610 00:37:54,239 --> 00:37:59,560 Speaker 1: of pause. I am a woman. Therefore I am owning 611 00:37:59,640 --> 00:38:02,359 Speaker 1: the word bitch, and I can call myself a bit 612 00:38:02,560 --> 00:38:06,080 Speaker 1: and I can use the word bit and oh, don't 613 00:38:06,120 --> 00:38:08,239 Speaker 1: get me wrong, I'm not shaming you at all. I'm 614 00:38:08,360 --> 00:38:11,360 Speaker 1: nearly representing the American audience who's gonna sit there and 615 00:38:11,480 --> 00:38:14,840 Speaker 1: go how you can't call people bitches. It's like, listen, 616 00:38:14,920 --> 00:38:17,440 Speaker 1: you don't know which bitch I was talking about when 617 00:38:17,480 --> 00:38:19,560 Speaker 1: I said the word I was talking about some boy 618 00:38:19,640 --> 00:38:26,759 Speaker 1: bitches too, the boy bitches. We all bitches, and there's 619 00:38:26,840 --> 00:38:32,080 Speaker 1: nineteen of us. So the other person, and I think 620 00:38:32,160 --> 00:38:38,200 Speaker 1: this gets into a slightly more complicated and maybe complicated 621 00:38:38,239 --> 00:38:40,600 Speaker 1: this and even the right way of approaching this, but 622 00:38:40,719 --> 00:38:44,560 Speaker 1: it is a slightly more complicated conversation, is that the 623 00:38:44,680 --> 00:38:48,160 Speaker 1: other person who has been very public about quote unquote 624 00:38:48,200 --> 00:38:52,560 Speaker 1: outing Luther was Patti LaBelle. Patti LaBelle, who was dear 625 00:38:52,640 --> 00:38:55,000 Speaker 1: friends with Luther. Luther actually at one point was the 626 00:38:55,160 --> 00:38:57,960 Speaker 1: president of her fan club, which I didn't know that that, 627 00:38:58,160 --> 00:39:00,560 Speaker 1: like he was the official president of the Addie LaBelle 628 00:39:00,560 --> 00:39:04,040 Speaker 1: Flan Club. But she went on watch What Happens Live 629 00:39:04,280 --> 00:39:08,200 Speaker 1: The Andy Cohen Show, and he asked Andy Cohen asked 630 00:39:08,280 --> 00:39:13,000 Speaker 1: about Luther's sexuality, at which point Patti LaBelle talked about it. 631 00:39:13,120 --> 00:39:16,120 Speaker 1: She said, you know, I think that, but she said, basically, 632 00:39:16,200 --> 00:39:18,360 Speaker 1: he did not want his mother to be although she 633 00:39:18,600 --> 00:39:21,040 Speaker 1: might have known, but he wasn't gonna come out and 634 00:39:21,120 --> 00:39:22,520 Speaker 1: say it to the world. And he had a lot 635 00:39:22,560 --> 00:39:25,799 Speaker 1: of lady fans and he told me he just didn't 636 00:39:25,840 --> 00:39:29,279 Speaker 1: want to upset the world. And so I guess my 637 00:39:29,520 --> 00:39:34,160 Speaker 1: question is, what responsibility do you think a person like 638 00:39:34,360 --> 00:39:39,279 Speaker 1: Andy Cohen has, who is a homosexual person who does understand, 639 00:39:39,800 --> 00:39:44,240 Speaker 1: maybe better than most, the dangers of outing a person, 640 00:39:44,760 --> 00:39:48,640 Speaker 1: be they alive or dead, to not even introduce this 641 00:39:48,880 --> 00:39:52,719 Speaker 1: question to an old lady who's probably just gonna be like, oh, yeah, 642 00:39:52,760 --> 00:39:55,440 Speaker 1: I know about that, and you know, say some stuff 643 00:39:55,480 --> 00:39:59,600 Speaker 1: on TV. Well, you know, Andy Cohen is part of 644 00:39:59,680 --> 00:40:02,040 Speaker 1: this entity that makes a lot of money off of 645 00:40:02,120 --> 00:40:06,000 Speaker 1: the exploitation off of black people and people, you know, 646 00:40:06,239 --> 00:40:10,279 Speaker 1: like black women, and these shows that perpetuate you know, 647 00:40:10,480 --> 00:40:15,400 Speaker 1: stereotypes and shows some ugliness, which is real and everybody, 648 00:40:15,520 --> 00:40:17,880 Speaker 1: not just black women and women of color. But I 649 00:40:18,040 --> 00:40:20,480 Speaker 1: just think it's interesting that a gay man would take 650 00:40:20,560 --> 00:40:26,360 Speaker 1: that well, you know, that's disappointing to say, what about like, 651 00:40:26,480 --> 00:40:28,440 Speaker 1: why would you do that? Why would you do that 652 00:40:28,560 --> 00:40:30,480 Speaker 1: to that black man man? Why do you do that? 653 00:40:30,800 --> 00:40:34,960 Speaker 1: Like when you when you yourself have complaint about bigotry 654 00:40:35,280 --> 00:40:37,560 Speaker 1: towards you for being a gay man, why would you 655 00:40:37,680 --> 00:40:40,880 Speaker 1: do that? Yeah, that's part of the problem. That's what 656 00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:44,279 Speaker 1: we pushed back against, right, is that whole idea that 657 00:40:44,560 --> 00:40:48,400 Speaker 1: people who are you know, homosexual, people who are queer 658 00:40:48,520 --> 00:40:51,200 Speaker 1: have to have to live in this place of secret 659 00:40:51,840 --> 00:40:55,200 Speaker 1: who perpetuates So asking somebody who do you think such 660 00:40:55,239 --> 00:40:58,399 Speaker 1: a sense was gay? It's part of the problem. Yeah, 661 00:40:58,520 --> 00:41:01,319 Speaker 1: And I'm so glad you said that, And I think 662 00:41:01,360 --> 00:41:03,560 Speaker 1: you put it in words that I wasn't even sure 663 00:41:03,719 --> 00:41:06,120 Speaker 1: I knew how to put it in. But I do 664 00:41:06,320 --> 00:41:09,399 Speaker 1: think that this sort of leads us into a great 665 00:41:09,480 --> 00:41:14,960 Speaker 1: example of where intersectionality ain't intersecting, right that, Like you're 666 00:41:15,040 --> 00:41:18,600 Speaker 1: talking all this ship about like wanting to be progressive 667 00:41:18,719 --> 00:41:22,560 Speaker 1: for your community, wanting to protect the people that live 668 00:41:22,680 --> 00:41:25,360 Speaker 1: the life that you live, but when it comes to 669 00:41:25,600 --> 00:41:29,239 Speaker 1: another person's experience who doesn't look like you but does 670 00:41:29,880 --> 00:41:34,000 Speaker 1: then diagram with you slightly, you're unable to see them 671 00:41:34,160 --> 00:41:37,600 Speaker 1: with the same sensitivity and care that you probably would 672 00:41:37,640 --> 00:41:41,439 Speaker 1: have seen a white counterpart. A word. You just said 673 00:41:41,480 --> 00:41:47,080 Speaker 1: it a word. And that is why, you know, even 674 00:41:47,160 --> 00:41:51,200 Speaker 1: when it comes to the argument of women, you talk 675 00:41:51,239 --> 00:41:54,960 Speaker 1: about black women and brown women and white women who teither. 676 00:41:55,320 --> 00:41:59,400 Speaker 1: You know, they jumped back and forth between being victims 677 00:41:59,600 --> 00:42:02,480 Speaker 1: and the oppressor, like when you see it in the 678 00:42:03,239 --> 00:42:05,480 Speaker 1: in the dynamic of the l g b t Q 679 00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:08,560 Speaker 1: I A plus community, it's the same thing. It's like, 680 00:42:09,560 --> 00:42:12,239 Speaker 1: you know that that someone said to me it was 681 00:42:12,320 --> 00:42:14,000 Speaker 1: my son because we were talking about the l g 682 00:42:14,120 --> 00:42:18,359 Speaker 1: b t Q community and this complexity that we talked about, 683 00:42:18,400 --> 00:42:20,719 Speaker 1: and he's like, yeah, because white men can belong to 684 00:42:20,840 --> 00:42:23,840 Speaker 1: that oppressed group. So in that group there is a 685 00:42:23,960 --> 00:42:27,120 Speaker 1: hierarchy where they sit at the top. So that's why, 686 00:42:27,719 --> 00:42:31,200 Speaker 1: you know, we have to talk about intersectionality and we 687 00:42:31,360 --> 00:42:33,360 Speaker 1: have to honor it because the truth of it is 688 00:42:33,600 --> 00:42:38,600 Speaker 1: is that you get to son Luther andros when you're 689 00:42:38,600 --> 00:42:41,920 Speaker 1: a gay white man. You know what I'm saying, And 690 00:42:43,160 --> 00:42:46,920 Speaker 1: can you imagine if somebody would. I mean, you just 691 00:42:47,040 --> 00:42:48,560 Speaker 1: think about it, like if it would have been the 692 00:42:48,600 --> 00:42:53,839 Speaker 1: other way and they did it to him, nobody would 693 00:42:53,840 --> 00:42:56,400 Speaker 1: have let that stand even for a second. And furthermore, 694 00:42:56,440 --> 00:43:00,920 Speaker 1: there was some pushback in Patty saying what Patty said, 695 00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:04,200 Speaker 1: but to your point, I think the larger and then 696 00:43:04,360 --> 00:43:06,319 Speaker 1: it's unfair. I don't know that we have the right 697 00:43:06,400 --> 00:43:11,480 Speaker 1: to decide whose fault is. It's what right. I don't 698 00:43:11,560 --> 00:43:13,440 Speaker 1: know that Patty went on there being like, you know 699 00:43:13,520 --> 00:43:15,920 Speaker 1: what I'm about to do is out my boy. I 700 00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:18,920 Speaker 1: think Patty was just like, oh, we drunk, we're talking ship. Yeah, 701 00:43:18,920 --> 00:43:21,440 Speaker 1: I'll talk ship with you. And the reality is it 702 00:43:21,560 --> 00:43:24,680 Speaker 1: was somebody choosing to be messy and a lady went 703 00:43:24,760 --> 00:43:27,560 Speaker 1: in the dirt with him. But in doing that, you know, 704 00:43:27,840 --> 00:43:31,440 Speaker 1: she becomes the target rather than he, And I think 705 00:43:31,520 --> 00:43:34,640 Speaker 1: Andy knows that before he even asked the question. Yeah, 706 00:43:34,680 --> 00:43:36,440 Speaker 1: it's easy to come for her because there are no 707 00:43:36,600 --> 00:43:41,759 Speaker 1: consequences for attacking an older lack woman. But if you're 708 00:43:41,800 --> 00:43:44,640 Speaker 1: gonna come for this white Jewish man, there will be 709 00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:49,439 Speaker 1: some consequences. Yes, I think I think that's fair to say. 710 00:43:51,080 --> 00:43:53,520 Speaker 1: So the other thing that this got me sort of 711 00:43:53,640 --> 00:43:56,040 Speaker 1: cooking on as we're asking this question of whether or 712 00:43:56,080 --> 00:44:00,480 Speaker 1: not it's okay to out person in their death, I 713 00:44:00,719 --> 00:44:04,160 Speaker 1: ended up stumbling on this article about Whitney. It was 714 00:44:04,400 --> 00:44:09,280 Speaker 1: an article called Whitney, Houston and the Ethics of Posthumous Outing, 715 00:44:09,880 --> 00:44:12,600 Speaker 1: And one of the things that it talks about is 716 00:44:12,640 --> 00:44:17,320 Speaker 1: the fact that Whitney, who was allegedly a bisexual woman, 717 00:44:17,960 --> 00:44:20,960 Speaker 1: was outed by her ex husband. Right that, like Bobby 718 00:44:21,000 --> 00:44:24,759 Speaker 1: Brown doesn't interview with us weekly when he is then 719 00:44:24,920 --> 00:44:29,040 Speaker 1: working on his memoir called Every Little Step, which I 720 00:44:29,120 --> 00:44:31,239 Speaker 1: know you all have in your homes. I know every 721 00:44:31,320 --> 00:44:34,279 Speaker 1: single one of you listening is has already read Every 722 00:44:34,360 --> 00:44:36,560 Speaker 1: Little Step, so there's no reason for us to plug it. 723 00:44:36,640 --> 00:44:40,160 Speaker 1: But Every Little Step, the Bobby Brown story is available 724 00:44:40,280 --> 00:44:43,040 Speaker 1: for your reading if you so choose. But Bobby is 725 00:44:43,080 --> 00:44:46,800 Speaker 1: working on his memoir and he then explains that Whitney 726 00:44:47,000 --> 00:44:51,840 Speaker 1: was bisexual and had a relationship with her for her assistant, Robert. 727 00:44:53,560 --> 00:44:56,719 Speaker 1: And I'm wondering if that falls in the same category 728 00:44:56,880 --> 00:44:59,719 Speaker 1: for you of somebody just trying to take advantage of 729 00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:03,520 Speaker 1: they're they're sort of waning celebrity, or if this is 730 00:45:03,640 --> 00:45:08,360 Speaker 1: something more complicated because they are in a relationship or 731 00:45:08,440 --> 00:45:11,400 Speaker 1: had been in a relationship. Uh, and we're married, have 732 00:45:11,560 --> 00:45:14,680 Speaker 1: children together. All of that. Well, this is a really uh, 733 00:45:15,160 --> 00:45:17,120 Speaker 1: this is a touchy space because I know Bobby and 734 00:45:17,160 --> 00:45:21,680 Speaker 1: I know his wife Alicia, and I don't think that 735 00:45:22,120 --> 00:45:25,080 Speaker 1: he First of all, I don't think Bobby Brown is 736 00:45:25,120 --> 00:45:27,640 Speaker 1: the king of New Edition, whether you want to admit 737 00:45:27,719 --> 00:45:29,479 Speaker 1: it or not. And I know I'll probably get pushed 738 00:45:29,520 --> 00:45:32,759 Speaker 1: back from that, but he's probably him is the most 739 00:45:32,880 --> 00:45:36,120 Speaker 1: dynamic one they come out, you know, for all the 740 00:45:36,239 --> 00:45:39,279 Speaker 1: reasons that he was a bad boy of R and B. 741 00:45:39,640 --> 00:45:43,600 Speaker 1: He had the issues, he married the superstar singer. They 742 00:45:43,840 --> 00:45:45,880 Speaker 1: you know, you gotta lay low. They got all the 743 00:45:46,120 --> 00:45:49,920 Speaker 1: you know, they got all the they got the Diane 744 00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:52,680 Speaker 1: saw your interview like, he's the most dynamic thing to 745 00:45:52,760 --> 00:45:55,400 Speaker 1: come out of there. I've been in the presence of 746 00:45:55,440 --> 00:45:59,759 Speaker 1: Bobby Brown for a birthday party and he was not 747 00:46:00,040 --> 00:46:03,479 Speaker 1: with Whitney anymore, and I remember him singing on stage 748 00:46:03,520 --> 00:46:07,200 Speaker 1: and started he started crying and he said he missed her. 749 00:46:08,040 --> 00:46:11,200 Speaker 1: And from what I know, and I don't know first 750 00:46:11,200 --> 00:46:14,080 Speaker 1: time because we don't talk about it. We're not that close. 751 00:46:14,239 --> 00:46:16,120 Speaker 1: We see each other in passing. We've known each other 752 00:46:16,200 --> 00:46:19,440 Speaker 1: for years, but we were not like close, we're not 753 00:46:19,600 --> 00:46:23,640 Speaker 1: like homies. I believe Bobby Brown adored the ship out 754 00:46:23,719 --> 00:46:27,080 Speaker 1: of wit and he loved her in a way that was, 755 00:46:27,880 --> 00:46:32,719 Speaker 1: you know, toxic, painful, deep deep though, And I do 756 00:46:33,120 --> 00:46:36,840 Speaker 1: I do think that that him sharing that. And I 757 00:46:37,040 --> 00:46:39,040 Speaker 1: didn't even know he had a book. I didn't know 758 00:46:39,120 --> 00:46:44,759 Speaker 1: about every little step, but the fact that he uh 759 00:46:45,200 --> 00:46:47,800 Speaker 1: probably is talking about it because he's still processing that. 760 00:46:48,360 --> 00:46:51,719 Speaker 1: And you know, you have to think, Bobby Brown is 761 00:46:51,760 --> 00:46:54,880 Speaker 1: married to Whitney Houston, the mother of his daughter who 762 00:46:54,960 --> 00:46:57,560 Speaker 1: also passed away, you know what I'm saying. So there's 763 00:46:57,560 --> 00:46:59,480 Speaker 1: a lot of pain and all of that things, that 764 00:46:59,600 --> 00:47:03,080 Speaker 1: whole thing. And I did hear a lot about Whinney 765 00:47:03,120 --> 00:47:06,239 Speaker 1: Houston being bisexual. I heard it when I first moved 766 00:47:06,280 --> 00:47:08,319 Speaker 1: to l a from one of from one of these 767 00:47:08,400 --> 00:47:11,480 Speaker 1: dancers that danced in the videos and was like, she's 768 00:47:12,120 --> 00:47:14,240 Speaker 1: you know, he called out a bunch of names of women. 769 00:47:14,320 --> 00:47:15,960 Speaker 1: He was like, they're always talking about the men, but 770 00:47:16,080 --> 00:47:18,680 Speaker 1: he was like this woman, this woman, and this woman. 771 00:47:19,400 --> 00:47:22,000 Speaker 1: They turned off all the girls. And it was very 772 00:47:22,080 --> 00:47:24,879 Speaker 1: interesting to hear his list, but he was I want. 773 00:47:25,000 --> 00:47:26,600 Speaker 1: I went and found him. He was in all their 774 00:47:26,719 --> 00:47:29,480 Speaker 1: videos and I was like, he might be making it up, 775 00:47:29,600 --> 00:47:32,560 Speaker 1: but he's definitely been around these people, So I don't 776 00:47:32,640 --> 00:47:36,840 Speaker 1: think that he would do that too maliciously or to 777 00:47:36,920 --> 00:47:40,520 Speaker 1: try to bring attention to himself, because I think, I mean, Bobby, 778 00:47:40,760 --> 00:47:43,279 Speaker 1: you give him the mic and a drink and he 779 00:47:44,000 --> 00:47:46,439 Speaker 1: can find it. He can find a way. He don't 780 00:47:46,480 --> 00:47:49,160 Speaker 1: have to even talk about with me. But they say 781 00:47:49,200 --> 00:47:55,160 Speaker 1: in Jurassic Park, Bobby finds a way, you know. I 782 00:47:55,280 --> 00:47:57,400 Speaker 1: think that was just rooted in his pain. I do 783 00:47:57,600 --> 00:48:00,680 Speaker 1: think that he adored that woman, and I don't think 784 00:48:00,719 --> 00:48:03,920 Speaker 1: that he would do that to try to get, you know, 785 00:48:04,120 --> 00:48:07,880 Speaker 1: attention off of her, not not the Bobby Brown that 786 00:48:08,239 --> 00:48:12,320 Speaker 1: that I've met, you know, I got you. It introduced 787 00:48:13,120 --> 00:48:17,400 Speaker 1: a even more complicated question in my head, not just 788 00:48:17,680 --> 00:48:20,640 Speaker 1: of whether or not his intentions. And this isn't even 789 00:48:20,760 --> 00:48:23,720 Speaker 1: about Bobby at this point, but more just generally about 790 00:48:23,760 --> 00:48:28,560 Speaker 1: this This entire idea is is more about the question 791 00:48:28,640 --> 00:48:31,200 Speaker 1: at least that sort of like came to life, is 792 00:48:31,239 --> 00:48:35,640 Speaker 1: the question of public responsibility, or rather how much these 793 00:48:35,760 --> 00:48:40,839 Speaker 1: celebrities even owe to the public in relation to their 794 00:48:41,000 --> 00:48:45,800 Speaker 1: sexuality and sexual identity. Right. So, for example, in the article, 795 00:48:46,320 --> 00:48:49,359 Speaker 1: some people are arguing that it's obviously awful to out 796 00:48:49,440 --> 00:48:52,960 Speaker 1: somebody posthumously that like, if they weren't ready to tell 797 00:48:53,040 --> 00:48:55,880 Speaker 1: the world when they were alive, they're not suddenly ready 798 00:48:55,920 --> 00:48:57,960 Speaker 1: to tell the world just because they passed away, and 799 00:48:58,040 --> 00:49:00,640 Speaker 1: we should respect that. But then there are other people 800 00:49:00,680 --> 00:49:05,440 Speaker 1: who argue that by sharing these people's stories, you are 801 00:49:05,560 --> 00:49:10,680 Speaker 1: bringing more light to the communities that they potentially could represent. 802 00:49:10,960 --> 00:49:14,800 Speaker 1: Right and specifically they talk about Ed cock of of 803 00:49:14,960 --> 00:49:17,880 Speaker 1: New York, former mayor of New York City. He dies 804 00:49:18,200 --> 00:49:21,879 Speaker 1: and in two thousand thirteen, and then it becomes exposed, 805 00:49:21,960 --> 00:49:24,360 Speaker 1: and maybe it was exposed the entire time, maybe that 806 00:49:24,440 --> 00:49:27,960 Speaker 1: everybody knew, similar to you know, a Luther Vandros's kind 807 00:49:27,960 --> 00:49:33,120 Speaker 1: of situation, that he was homosexual, that he had homosexual relationships. 808 00:49:33,480 --> 00:49:36,080 Speaker 1: But one of the things that that happened is that 809 00:49:36,280 --> 00:49:40,799 Speaker 1: during his time in as mayor, he's constantly getting all 810 00:49:40,840 --> 00:49:45,279 Speaker 1: this pushback from AIDS activists basically saying, why won't you 811 00:49:45,440 --> 00:49:49,719 Speaker 1: speak up for the community that you could represent here 812 00:49:50,040 --> 00:49:53,560 Speaker 1: they're calling this a gay disease and you, a gay man, 813 00:49:54,160 --> 00:49:57,080 Speaker 1: should be out and open about how this isn't a 814 00:49:57,160 --> 00:50:00,360 Speaker 1: gay disease. And if you support me, you support the unity, 815 00:50:00,440 --> 00:50:03,399 Speaker 1: said you're hurting with by saying all of these things. 816 00:50:03,520 --> 00:50:05,960 Speaker 1: And Ed never said anything, and he never stepped out 817 00:50:06,000 --> 00:50:08,520 Speaker 1: of his way to protect these communities. And so I 818 00:50:08,560 --> 00:50:11,759 Speaker 1: guess my final question to you before we we run 819 00:50:11,840 --> 00:50:15,600 Speaker 1: off to another break, is what do you think about that? 820 00:50:15,880 --> 00:50:20,280 Speaker 1: In public responsibility? Does Ed oh the gay community anything 821 00:50:20,960 --> 00:50:23,600 Speaker 1: or is he just meant to like keep rocking the 822 00:50:23,640 --> 00:50:26,359 Speaker 1: way he wants to rock And it doesn't matter one 823 00:50:26,400 --> 00:50:29,440 Speaker 1: way or the other. No, he doesn't owe anybody anything. 824 00:50:29,680 --> 00:50:31,839 Speaker 1: And I know people are going to probably push back 825 00:50:31,920 --> 00:50:36,719 Speaker 1: on this, but nobody knows what Ed's emotional or psychological 826 00:50:36,840 --> 00:50:42,000 Speaker 1: state was, where he had process, what where he was 827 00:50:42,480 --> 00:50:45,640 Speaker 1: in terms of his own sexuality, and what if that 828 00:50:45,760 --> 00:50:48,080 Speaker 1: man wasn't ready to deal with that and came out 829 00:50:48,320 --> 00:50:50,560 Speaker 1: and they got dealt with some crazy stuff and ended 830 00:50:50,640 --> 00:50:54,080 Speaker 1: up killing himself because of it. You know, Like it's 831 00:50:54,120 --> 00:50:58,719 Speaker 1: just the fact that the public feels and entitled to 832 00:50:58,920 --> 00:51:02,920 Speaker 1: people's business because people have some sort of even as 833 00:51:02,960 --> 00:51:06,759 Speaker 1: a public figure, his responsibility to his community is to 834 00:51:06,880 --> 00:51:10,280 Speaker 1: do the work that is described in that job description. 835 00:51:10,880 --> 00:51:13,680 Speaker 1: It is not that he owes his personal life to 836 00:51:13,800 --> 00:51:17,680 Speaker 1: anybody else, you know, And there are a lot of 837 00:51:17,800 --> 00:51:20,000 Speaker 1: people dealing with a lot of different issues. Are you 838 00:51:20,120 --> 00:51:23,480 Speaker 1: demanding that straight men tell you about their affairs? Are 839 00:51:23,520 --> 00:51:26,160 Speaker 1: you demanding that straight men tell you about all the 840 00:51:26,280 --> 00:51:29,600 Speaker 1: stuff that they're doing or straight women. It's just it's 841 00:51:29,760 --> 00:51:34,040 Speaker 1: only when it comes to that community that people feel 842 00:51:34,360 --> 00:51:38,560 Speaker 1: entitled to know, like even the terminology we're gonna out you, 843 00:51:39,120 --> 00:51:41,800 Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like like there are consequences 844 00:51:41,920 --> 00:51:45,600 Speaker 1: for people finding out about it, and that why wouldn't 845 00:51:45,640 --> 00:51:48,640 Speaker 1: you be petrified? Like you don't know what it's gonna be, 846 00:51:48,880 --> 00:51:53,080 Speaker 1: you know. And his responsibility with what's going on with 847 00:51:53,320 --> 00:51:57,840 Speaker 1: AIDS was to make sure that policy was in place 848 00:51:58,040 --> 00:52:01,600 Speaker 1: and that it was enforced and that, you know, whatever, 849 00:52:01,719 --> 00:52:06,840 Speaker 1: those responsibilities, those responsibilities connected to office. Anything that he 850 00:52:06,960 --> 00:52:10,520 Speaker 1: does is above and beyond. So if you decided to 851 00:52:10,600 --> 00:52:14,040 Speaker 1: say I am and I'm gonna speak up for this 852 00:52:14,200 --> 00:52:17,279 Speaker 1: community because you know because of this, this, this, then 853 00:52:17,760 --> 00:52:21,799 Speaker 1: that's that should be admirable. But that's not something it's 854 00:52:21,840 --> 00:52:26,920 Speaker 1: not required, right, I I think that's fair. I think 855 00:52:27,000 --> 00:52:32,440 Speaker 1: they're The responsibility a person in office has, in my mind, 856 00:52:33,200 --> 00:52:37,600 Speaker 1: is to be careful and caring about every single person 857 00:52:38,320 --> 00:52:43,480 Speaker 1: that they represent. It's not necessarily to just place preference 858 00:52:43,840 --> 00:52:48,120 Speaker 1: on the communities that they're deeply connected to. And ideally, 859 00:52:48,719 --> 00:52:51,320 Speaker 1: the way that you represent all of these communities and 860 00:52:51,440 --> 00:52:54,080 Speaker 1: care about all of these people is you are connected 861 00:52:54,160 --> 00:52:56,960 Speaker 1: in small communities and so you do the extra work 862 00:52:57,400 --> 00:53:01,560 Speaker 1: to make sure that everybody is is fairly represented. That said, 863 00:53:01,640 --> 00:53:04,080 Speaker 1: it doesn't mean that, like, like you said, there are 864 00:53:04,080 --> 00:53:06,279 Speaker 1: a lot of great leaders who love to cheat on 865 00:53:06,360 --> 00:53:08,680 Speaker 1: their wives or their husbands or whatever it is, and 866 00:53:08,800 --> 00:53:12,120 Speaker 1: that's not they don't owe more to the non monogamous 867 00:53:12,239 --> 00:53:16,359 Speaker 1: community simply because that's who they represents. Yeah, they were 868 00:53:16,400 --> 00:53:18,920 Speaker 1: all doing what we can to to protect each other 869 00:53:19,080 --> 00:53:22,120 Speaker 1: as best we can. And he he clearly didn't feel 870 00:53:22,120 --> 00:53:25,000 Speaker 1: comfortable telling everybody is business and so maybe he doesn't 871 00:53:25,080 --> 00:53:28,360 Speaker 1: have to to suddenly out himself just because he's a 872 00:53:28,480 --> 00:53:32,120 Speaker 1: famous person. I mean, are all women who have had 873 00:53:32,239 --> 00:53:35,520 Speaker 1: abortions that are in office have to do? They have 874 00:53:35,680 --> 00:53:38,400 Speaker 1: the obligations to tell people that they have abortion when 875 00:53:38,440 --> 00:53:44,120 Speaker 1: they're dealing with abortion, you know, Like it's it's just 876 00:53:44,320 --> 00:53:47,400 Speaker 1: like that's what drove like Bill Clinton to say he 877 00:53:47,560 --> 00:53:51,759 Speaker 1: didn't exhale or he didn't inhale or whatever. It's just that, 878 00:53:52,520 --> 00:53:55,600 Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, All of that this Salem 879 00:53:56,239 --> 00:54:00,200 Speaker 1: attitude towards people, and and and feeling like we old 880 00:54:00,960 --> 00:54:04,960 Speaker 1: that you know that the general public is entitled to 881 00:54:05,760 --> 00:54:09,719 Speaker 1: the t It's just a function of you know, how 882 00:54:09,880 --> 00:54:13,360 Speaker 1: celebrity culture has become so toxic in this country, and 883 00:54:14,280 --> 00:54:17,360 Speaker 1: you know, and it leads into politics because politicians are celebrities, 884 00:54:17,360 --> 00:54:19,239 Speaker 1: whether we want to admit it or not. And it's 885 00:54:19,280 --> 00:54:24,000 Speaker 1: just it's just gross. It's just gross. Yeah, let people's 886 00:54:24,040 --> 00:54:27,759 Speaker 1: business be their business. Let let everybody do their own 887 00:54:27,880 --> 00:54:29,919 Speaker 1: freaky ship. And if they want to tell them about 888 00:54:29,920 --> 00:54:31,800 Speaker 1: the freaky ship, you know, I'm happy to hear it. 889 00:54:32,000 --> 00:54:33,759 Speaker 1: God damn do I want to hear about it. But 890 00:54:34,080 --> 00:54:38,200 Speaker 1: but if not, that's okay. I'm on my business. I'm 891 00:54:38,239 --> 00:54:41,080 Speaker 1: with it. All right. We're gonna say one more break. 892 00:54:41,120 --> 00:54:43,239 Speaker 1: We'll be back with more, id Rodriguez and more, my 893 00:54:43,360 --> 00:55:01,640 Speaker 1: mama told me. And we are back. We're not gonna 894 00:55:01,800 --> 00:55:09,680 Speaker 1: let Joe Biden and Kamala Harris cut America's me. That's that. Yeah, 895 00:55:10,120 --> 00:55:12,840 Speaker 1: we're back here with more Ida Rodriguez more. And my 896 00:55:13,000 --> 00:55:16,560 Speaker 1: mama told me. We're still talking about Luther Vandros and 897 00:55:16,800 --> 00:55:18,880 Speaker 1: his secret that he took to his grave and the 898 00:55:18,960 --> 00:55:21,799 Speaker 1: one that Bruce Valance would not allow him to keep 899 00:55:22,200 --> 00:55:26,520 Speaker 1: Bruce had to tell people that Luther Vandross was gay. 900 00:55:26,600 --> 00:55:29,000 Speaker 1: And I don't, none of them, neither of us know why. 901 00:55:29,920 --> 00:55:34,840 Speaker 1: You know that motivation is I don't. I don't know, 902 00:55:35,160 --> 00:55:40,080 Speaker 1: Like maybe even the fact that they were friends seemed 903 00:55:40,160 --> 00:55:42,360 Speaker 1: so off, and that's because of what we you know, 904 00:55:42,480 --> 00:55:44,879 Speaker 1: how we perceived people, and we're like, how do these 905 00:55:44,920 --> 00:55:49,040 Speaker 1: two people know each other? But like I said, it's 906 00:55:49,120 --> 00:55:51,719 Speaker 1: also it's just that Andy Cohen thing, like I just 907 00:55:51,800 --> 00:55:55,680 Speaker 1: don't think it's cool. Yeah, I did that. I think, 908 00:55:56,200 --> 00:56:01,719 Speaker 1: especially coming from a quote unquot white friend, you have 909 00:56:02,120 --> 00:56:06,160 Speaker 1: extra care to probably take in outing somebody of a 910 00:56:06,239 --> 00:56:10,759 Speaker 1: different race, and you know, a black person specifically in 911 00:56:10,960 --> 00:56:13,760 Speaker 1: terms of like what's going to happen with his community, 912 00:56:13,880 --> 00:56:16,960 Speaker 1: with his relationships with his mother, no less, you know, 913 00:56:17,160 --> 00:56:19,920 Speaker 1: his mother is this deeply religious person. And that was 914 00:56:20,000 --> 00:56:22,120 Speaker 1: part of what Patti LaBelle said, was that, like it 915 00:56:22,239 --> 00:56:25,880 Speaker 1: was his mother's religious perspective that kept Luther in the 916 00:56:25,960 --> 00:56:28,520 Speaker 1: closet in the first place. And the last thing she 917 00:56:28,680 --> 00:56:31,279 Speaker 1: needs to learn it from, or the last person she 918 00:56:31,360 --> 00:56:34,280 Speaker 1: needs to learn it from, is a goofy looking motherfucker 919 00:56:34,400 --> 00:56:41,600 Speaker 1: like Bruce Valanche. You know, I would when I run 920 00:56:41,680 --> 00:56:45,279 Speaker 1: into him, I'm gonna tell him he gotta recite the 921 00:56:45,480 --> 00:56:51,480 Speaker 1: first ten lines from Never Too Much? Uh? I like that? Yeah? 922 00:56:51,600 --> 00:56:53,880 Speaker 1: Make him. Make him say it on one knee so 923 00:56:54,040 --> 00:56:56,279 Speaker 1: he really earns it, you know, because it's gonna take 924 00:56:56,320 --> 00:56:58,279 Speaker 1: him a minute to get down there. Bruce ain't built 925 00:56:58,320 --> 00:57:02,279 Speaker 1: for for kneeling. But up he he owes us an apology, 926 00:57:02,360 --> 00:57:06,839 Speaker 1: he owes Luther and as an apology. Okay, let's let's 927 00:57:06,880 --> 00:57:09,399 Speaker 1: play a game. This is This is a fun game. 928 00:57:09,840 --> 00:57:12,640 Speaker 1: It's a brand new game that that I I've cooked 929 00:57:12,719 --> 00:57:16,160 Speaker 1: up for this podcast. It's called make It makes Sense. 930 00:57:16,600 --> 00:57:21,080 Speaker 1: Your thoughts create your reality. Well you already knew that, Yeah, 931 00:57:21,440 --> 00:57:24,560 Speaker 1: you still live a life that you dread. Make it 932 00:57:24,720 --> 00:57:27,080 Speaker 1: makes sense. This is a brand new game where I 933 00:57:27,160 --> 00:57:30,360 Speaker 1: am going to introduce to you a conspiracy theory I 934 00:57:30,600 --> 00:57:34,720 Speaker 1: had never heard of, and it's specifically a conspiracy theory 935 00:57:34,840 --> 00:57:38,439 Speaker 1: that comes from the Dominican Republic. It's a conspiracy theory 936 00:57:38,520 --> 00:57:41,120 Speaker 1: that that y'all over in the Dominican are rocking with. 937 00:57:41,560 --> 00:57:43,320 Speaker 1: And I would love for you to make it make 938 00:57:43,400 --> 00:57:47,280 Speaker 1: sense for me, help me understand what's happening in this scenario. 939 00:57:48,120 --> 00:57:52,880 Speaker 1: So apparently in twenty nineteen, there was a string of 940 00:57:53,120 --> 00:57:57,880 Speaker 1: deaths from a hotel where six different tours visiting the 941 00:57:58,000 --> 00:58:01,400 Speaker 1: Dominican uh suddenly died. They just they died in these 942 00:58:01,520 --> 00:58:06,280 Speaker 1: mysterious ways after drinking from their mini bar. And apparently 943 00:58:07,040 --> 00:58:10,200 Speaker 1: more than a few people started to speculate that this 944 00:58:10,600 --> 00:58:14,280 Speaker 1: was a serial killer working the Dominican Republic, that there 945 00:58:14,360 --> 00:58:18,120 Speaker 1: was somebody out intentionally trying to kill tourists as they 946 00:58:18,160 --> 00:58:21,640 Speaker 1: were moving and shaking around the Dominican And what I 947 00:58:21,720 --> 00:58:24,120 Speaker 1: would love for you to do, ITAs tell me what's 948 00:58:24,160 --> 00:58:27,560 Speaker 1: happening here. What do you think the real mystery is 949 00:58:27,720 --> 00:58:30,000 Speaker 1: from these people who are drinking from this mini bar 950 00:58:30,120 --> 00:58:34,040 Speaker 1: and all dying in these mysterious, tragic ways. So that's funny. 951 00:58:34,080 --> 00:58:36,600 Speaker 1: I never heard that one. I'll tell you what I heard. 952 00:58:36,640 --> 00:58:40,480 Speaker 1: I heard it was a governmental ploy to try to 953 00:58:40,720 --> 00:58:44,760 Speaker 1: keep American people from going to the Dominican Republic. Because 954 00:58:45,600 --> 00:58:49,720 Speaker 1: whoa hold on, wait a minute, Oh, this sounds like 955 00:58:49,760 --> 00:58:52,120 Speaker 1: you're about to spit some ship. This I never heard 956 00:58:52,200 --> 00:58:54,320 Speaker 1: this before. This is brand new to me, and all 957 00:58:54,400 --> 00:58:56,040 Speaker 1: of this brand new to me. Can we do some 958 00:58:56,320 --> 00:58:58,200 Speaker 1: some talk that talk? Can you bring it all down 959 00:58:58,240 --> 00:59:01,600 Speaker 1: in thirty seconds? Yeah? No, this is what I heard. Okay, 960 00:59:01,640 --> 00:59:03,440 Speaker 1: here we go. I'm gonna press the button and then 961 00:59:03,480 --> 00:59:07,560 Speaker 1: you go crazy. So I heard that the Dominican Republic 962 00:59:07,640 --> 00:59:10,920 Speaker 1: and Haiti are on the island of Espanola. So France 963 00:59:11,360 --> 00:59:16,400 Speaker 1: is you colonized Haiti Spain commonized the Dominican Republic and 964 00:59:16,840 --> 00:59:21,320 Speaker 1: Haiti owes France for slavery. They owned for being the 965 00:59:21,400 --> 00:59:23,880 Speaker 1: ones to kick down the door for liberation. But what 966 00:59:24,080 --> 00:59:26,800 Speaker 1: I heard was that there's this big old governmental choice 967 00:59:26,840 --> 00:59:29,040 Speaker 1: so that they can take over the island. That's why 968 00:59:29,080 --> 00:59:32,400 Speaker 1: they're letting these people struggle. But tourism generates a lot 969 00:59:32,480 --> 00:59:35,000 Speaker 1: of money, so they were trying to deter tourists from 970 00:59:35,120 --> 00:59:39,040 Speaker 1: going there, and that's why they were doing that, because 971 00:59:39,120 --> 00:59:42,440 Speaker 1: it would keep the economy from flowing with the tourism 972 00:59:42,520 --> 00:59:45,880 Speaker 1: dollars and let the country crumble so that they can 973 00:59:46,000 --> 00:59:50,320 Speaker 1: go in and gentrify it and rehollow Holy sh it, 974 00:59:50,480 --> 00:59:55,600 Speaker 1: Wait a minute, that's cool, mother goddamn it. So you're 975 00:59:55,760 --> 00:59:59,000 Speaker 1: saying that they are this is an effort, or at 976 00:59:59,040 --> 01:00:01,800 Speaker 1: least the theory is that this this is an alleged 977 01:00:01,920 --> 01:00:05,840 Speaker 1: effort to tank the island too across the board because 978 01:00:05,880 --> 01:00:08,560 Speaker 1: he ain't doing too great on its own. It's the 979 01:00:08,920 --> 01:00:12,440 Speaker 1: between the funked up economy, that the damage that is 980 01:00:12,520 --> 01:00:16,800 Speaker 1: intentionally being done from other colonizing places, and certainly like 981 01:00:17,280 --> 01:00:20,160 Speaker 1: the earthquakes and hurricanes and ship that hit that side 982 01:00:20,200 --> 01:00:23,920 Speaker 1: of the island, it's already struggling, which is alar is 983 01:00:23,960 --> 01:00:27,000 Speaker 1: another conspiracy that those are done by those heart machines, 984 01:00:27,640 --> 01:00:31,480 Speaker 1: and that those those are those are man made to 985 01:00:32,280 --> 01:00:34,400 Speaker 1: cause destruction on the islands so that they can go 986 01:00:34,520 --> 01:00:37,160 Speaker 1: ahead and take it. Yeah, we've we've talked about that 987 01:00:37,200 --> 01:00:39,840 Speaker 1: a little on the podcast before that hades fucked up 988 01:00:39,880 --> 01:00:42,360 Speaker 1: weather and earthquakes and all that ship as a results 989 01:00:42,440 --> 01:00:46,360 Speaker 1: of weather control machines that the governments are intentionally creating. 990 01:00:46,440 --> 01:00:49,600 Speaker 1: But to your larger point that there there might be 991 01:00:49,800 --> 01:00:54,400 Speaker 1: a a real effort, a conspiratorial level effort by all 992 01:00:54,480 --> 01:00:58,760 Speaker 1: of these countries or by a powerhouse country to make 993 01:00:58,880 --> 01:01:02,040 Speaker 1: these islands tanks so that they can rebuild them. It's 994 01:01:02,120 --> 01:01:05,360 Speaker 1: basically big ass six flags for for people to go 995 01:01:05,520 --> 01:01:13,280 Speaker 1: and visit. Yep, that's exactly what fuck big six flags. 996 01:01:13,400 --> 01:01:16,640 Speaker 1: That's funny. What what do you? What do we do? 997 01:01:17,160 --> 01:01:19,680 Speaker 1: Is there anything that can be done about stuff like this? 998 01:01:19,920 --> 01:01:22,600 Speaker 1: Is this just what it is? And we gotta eat 999 01:01:22,640 --> 01:01:26,720 Speaker 1: a dick after all of this, you know, I think 1000 01:01:26,800 --> 01:01:29,840 Speaker 1: about that every day of my life. What do we do? Like, 1001 01:01:30,160 --> 01:01:32,800 Speaker 1: is there something we can really do? We just not. 1002 01:01:33,000 --> 01:01:35,480 Speaker 1: I don't think we'll we'll do we'll do it. I 1003 01:01:35,600 --> 01:01:39,880 Speaker 1: think that we're not gonna We're not revolutionaries. Were some 1004 01:01:40,000 --> 01:01:43,400 Speaker 1: punk as bitches like we like we are revolutions are 1005 01:01:43,520 --> 01:01:46,880 Speaker 1: on Twitter? Like, ain't nobody? Like when I saw that 1006 01:01:47,480 --> 01:01:50,320 Speaker 1: what do they call themself? That no fucking around coalition? 1007 01:01:50,960 --> 01:01:53,480 Speaker 1: I was like, whoa ship? They rolled up in some 1008 01:01:53,800 --> 01:01:57,000 Speaker 1: mountain with guns and fatigues, but it was like, what 1009 01:01:57,280 --> 01:01:59,520 Speaker 1: three hundred of them? I was like, you gonna take 1010 01:01:59,560 --> 01:02:01,680 Speaker 1: a whole? Like you know what I'm saying. We need 1011 01:02:01,760 --> 01:02:06,080 Speaker 1: more people like that. And that's why I'm like, probably nothing, 1012 01:02:06,120 --> 01:02:09,240 Speaker 1: because we're also not who people are, Like, I ain't 1013 01:02:09,280 --> 01:02:11,680 Speaker 1: watching the NFL, and then you I walk down the 1014 01:02:11,760 --> 01:02:14,040 Speaker 1: street and all I hear is people screaming watch the 1015 01:02:14,160 --> 01:02:16,840 Speaker 1: NFL games, and people that I know that said they 1016 01:02:16,880 --> 01:02:21,120 Speaker 1: were not gonna watch the NFL. So I think, I 1017 01:02:21,200 --> 01:02:23,439 Speaker 1: don't know, I don't. I don't know. If they were 1018 01:02:23,480 --> 01:02:27,680 Speaker 1: not gonna stop going to Target, we're not gonna stop Starbucks. 1019 01:02:28,640 --> 01:02:31,080 Speaker 1: So not. I think we're gonna eat that day the 1020 01:02:32,760 --> 01:02:36,320 Speaker 1: god damn it man. And that's it. You're I think 1021 01:02:36,400 --> 01:02:38,280 Speaker 1: you're right, because at the end of the day, even 1022 01:02:38,320 --> 01:02:41,720 Speaker 1: the COVID that that fucking you know, the minute men 1023 01:02:41,880 --> 01:02:44,320 Speaker 1: that you're referring to, who like are willing to take 1024 01:02:44,400 --> 01:02:48,439 Speaker 1: up arms and and take on a government, they could 1025 01:02:48,480 --> 01:02:52,040 Speaker 1: only find three hundred because there's only three hundred people 1026 01:02:52,720 --> 01:02:55,920 Speaker 1: in that place that are that principled and believe in 1027 01:02:56,040 --> 01:02:58,760 Speaker 1: that ship that much. The rest of us are living 1028 01:02:58,840 --> 01:03:01,320 Speaker 1: pretty passive lit us. We were like, yeah, I don't 1029 01:03:01,600 --> 01:03:03,600 Speaker 1: I don't like what the government is doing, but like, 1030 01:03:04,320 --> 01:03:06,360 Speaker 1: I don't know, bro, I'm not about to start for 1031 01:03:06,480 --> 01:03:09,400 Speaker 1: this ship, so I'm good. I don't want to get shot. 1032 01:03:09,520 --> 01:03:12,120 Speaker 1: I don't want to put myself in any line of fire, 1033 01:03:12,280 --> 01:03:16,200 Speaker 1: So go crazy, government, you know what I mean. It's 1034 01:03:16,280 --> 01:03:19,400 Speaker 1: like you just like, you know what, I'm gonna going 1035 01:03:19,520 --> 01:03:22,480 Speaker 1: to Disneyland this weekend, Like you just don't. And and 1036 01:03:22,600 --> 01:03:25,000 Speaker 1: it's it's not that you don't care, it's that it's 1037 01:03:25,040 --> 01:03:30,440 Speaker 1: so overwhelming it feels hopeless. Sure, yeah, I think if 1038 01:03:30,640 --> 01:03:33,480 Speaker 1: even if you are a passionate person, there are so 1039 01:03:33,600 --> 01:03:38,080 Speaker 1: many problems in the world that it's it's too challenging 1040 01:03:38,240 --> 01:03:41,640 Speaker 1: to pick a thing and just focus on that, because 1041 01:03:41,720 --> 01:03:45,440 Speaker 1: then you're like ignoring a ton of other responsibilities you 1042 01:03:45,600 --> 01:03:49,320 Speaker 1: probably also have in terms of protecting people, are taking 1043 01:03:49,400 --> 01:03:54,360 Speaker 1: down the evils of the world around us. Goddamnit just 1044 01:03:54,520 --> 01:03:58,000 Speaker 1: so overwhelming. So you're like, oh, go get that's the 1045 01:03:58,040 --> 01:04:04,960 Speaker 1: weepy meal that make now, and that's the biggest lesson 1046 01:04:05,040 --> 01:04:06,919 Speaker 1: we can walk away with. I think if we gotta 1047 01:04:07,000 --> 01:04:09,880 Speaker 1: send people away with anything, if you feel sad, if 1048 01:04:09,920 --> 01:04:12,720 Speaker 1: you feel overwhelmed by everything that's happening in the world, 1049 01:04:12,800 --> 01:04:15,400 Speaker 1: get that sweetie meal at the at McDonald's. You get 1050 01:04:15,400 --> 01:04:20,000 Speaker 1: the negats and the big Mac. You dip that in 1051 01:04:20,160 --> 01:04:23,560 Speaker 1: some chocolate like that nasty bitch. Does you gotta go 1052 01:04:23,720 --> 01:04:28,520 Speaker 1: crazy with the sweetie meal at McDonald's. Well, all right, 1053 01:04:28,680 --> 01:04:30,440 Speaker 1: I think we did it. I think I think we 1054 01:04:30,560 --> 01:04:32,680 Speaker 1: did what we could today. Could you tell the people 1055 01:04:33,160 --> 01:04:35,040 Speaker 1: at home where they can find you and what cool 1056 01:04:35,080 --> 01:04:38,360 Speaker 1: ship you have going on? Sure they can find me 1057 01:04:38,640 --> 01:04:42,640 Speaker 1: on HBO Max. The name of the special is fighting words. 1058 01:04:43,320 --> 01:04:45,800 Speaker 1: Don't tweet me, don't at me because I don't read 1059 01:04:45,840 --> 01:04:50,120 Speaker 1: none of it. Uh So, don't waste your time and 1060 01:04:51,600 --> 01:04:54,600 Speaker 1: you can find me on Instagram and Twitter at funny 1061 01:04:54,680 --> 01:04:57,480 Speaker 1: a I d a funny either, And that's it. All 1062 01:04:57,560 --> 01:05:00,680 Speaker 1: of the stuff is not real until it happens. Hell yeah, 1063 01:05:00,920 --> 01:05:05,240 Speaker 1: well we'll follow her watch the special November four Fighting 1064 01:05:05,320 --> 01:05:08,160 Speaker 1: Words and as always, you can follow me at at 1065 01:05:08,240 --> 01:05:11,480 Speaker 1: Langston Herman and if you so choose, please send us 1066 01:05:11,560 --> 01:05:15,320 Speaker 1: your drop, send us your messages, review, subscribe to whatever 1067 01:05:15,400 --> 01:05:18,000 Speaker 1: the funk you're supposed to do to the podcast, and 1068 01:05:18,080 --> 01:05:20,080 Speaker 1: you can send us everything in my mama pot at 1069 01:05:20,120 --> 01:05:25,080 Speaker 1: gmail dot com. Uh, and that's everything. That's all I know. Okay, bye, bitch. 1070 01:05:31,520 --> 01:05:44,600 Speaker 1: My crop chips in your qualibatars are racist. Money stuff 1071 01:05:46,040 --> 01:05:46,720 Speaker 1: can't tell me