Speaker 1: Is the Dallas Cowboys dot Com Draft Show. Cowboys are
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Speaker 1: within the confines of Cowboys Headquarters at the Star in Fresco,
Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys Select lad and now your hosts, Dane Brugler,
Speaker 1: David Hellman, and Brian brought us. Well, it's twenty one
Speaker 1: days until the two thousand and nineteen NFL Draft and
Speaker 1: you have the Draft Show here trying to get you
Speaker 1: once again ready for that. It's Brian brought us, Dane Brugler,
Speaker 1: David Hellman, Kit Garrison, Executive Producing. Gentlemen, we're feeling any
Speaker 1: better about this? I know, Dane, last week you were
Speaker 1: a little you know, proceeded closer, any closer feeling better
Speaker 1: about things. There's just there's always another player. There's another players,
Speaker 1: another player to look at about another thirty day visit
Speaker 1: guy you didn't think about huh yeah, well, An they
Speaker 1: got to figure out, you know, to do one more
Speaker 1: extra game. You know, let's see a little bit more tape.
Speaker 1: Just you never want to feel like you're it's incomplete.
Speaker 1: You know, when you look at these players, it's as
Speaker 1: an evaluator. Your job is to be an artist and
Speaker 1: paint a picture of what that player is and you
Speaker 1: want to make sure you have everything that you need
Speaker 1: to paint the most accurate picture you can. So we're
Speaker 1: still learning about some of these guys, I mean, most
Speaker 1: of the Hayes in the bar at this point, but
Speaker 1: you know, to kind of spin it towards what NFL
Speaker 1: teams are doing. Now is the time to really stack
Speaker 1: the board, finalize it and have some of those brawls
Speaker 1: about Okay, you know, who are we really looking at?
Speaker 1: You know, some of these wide receivers where they're tags
Speaker 1: are touching, who's going to get the edge some other
Speaker 1: positions as well. So it's going to be important next
Speaker 1: three weeks. I saw him makes me think of something
Speaker 1: I saw on Twitter this week. John Harbaugh, the Ravens coach,
Speaker 1: said he'd love to see the draft moved up. So
Speaker 1: with everything you just said about how you know you
Speaker 1: never feel like it's complete, how would you feel about that?
Speaker 1: From my standpoint, it's you know, I'm a one person
Speaker 1: scouting department, so it's you know, a little different from me.
Speaker 1: But for uh, I've heard that He's not the first
Speaker 1: to say that, and there's some there's some in the
Speaker 1: NFL who champion for the draft before free agency and
Speaker 1: you know right after the season. That's when you get
Speaker 1: into some of these all star games in the Combine
Speaker 1: and the draft like just boom, boom, boom, get it
Speaker 1: done with, you know, I mean scouts there on the
Speaker 1: road all year. So it would move up a lot
Speaker 1: of things logistically in terms of when you you know,
Speaker 1: build a board. And I don't know, I'm a creature habit.
Speaker 1: I like having this time to you know, take everything
Speaker 1: in and you know, debate with yourself and with others.
Speaker 1: But I don't know, You're what do you think about that? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I think that to me, I've I've kind of I
Speaker 1: understand where coaches coming from there because I I would
Speaker 1: like to see the draft move up myself. I really would.
Speaker 1: I would like to. I would feel like that the
Speaker 1: teams would be actually better prepared. You know, you got
Speaker 1: these pro days and so I used to think that
Speaker 1: if they if, but you're getting some kids running at
Speaker 1: the combine now that and you're getting workouts that the
Speaker 1: pro the protates used to be the only ways you
Speaker 1: were going to get times because these kids wouldn't run
Speaker 1: at the combine. Yeah, they feel almost obsolete. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: now and now all of a sudden for a few
Speaker 1: special circum rights right now. The reason and it's interesting
Speaker 1: that the coach would bring that up to move the
Speaker 1: draft up because from the scouting perspective, the scouts would
Speaker 1: probably love that because it would mean the coaches couldn't
Speaker 1: catch up to what's going on in the draft. Keep
Speaker 1: the coaches from getting there. Well, that's what I'm saying
Speaker 1: on the draft. Yeah, there's some coaches that are really,
Speaker 1: really good evaluators. This head coach there is an excellent evaluator,
Speaker 1: you know, I mean he really is. If you look
Speaker 1: at the way this football team has been built, he
Speaker 1: is an excellent evaluator. But there's a lot of these
Speaker 1: coaches now that don't have the opportunity. You know, they're
Speaker 1: they're thinking, oh, okay, well now we're starting to watch tape.
Speaker 1: Now we're having this, now we're having that. They haven't
Speaker 1: really caught up. Yeah, you know, the coaches would coaches
Speaker 1: need more time the scouts don't. Scouts have seen like Danes,
Speaker 1: scouts have seen all this. And we always joke like
Speaker 1: every year, you know, as it gets later in the
Speaker 1: draft process, like narratives start changing, when the coaches get involved,
Speaker 1: just get involved. A lot of times will mess up
Speaker 1: a draft a guy because we don't call third down defenses.
Speaker 1: Yeah I know, I don't. Yeah, you know, I never.
Speaker 1: I never went down on the field and said, hey,
Speaker 1: we need to Brett needs to throw a sprint rite
Speaker 1: option here. I never did that, and I'm intrigued by
Speaker 1: the possibility it'll never happen because I mean, the league
Speaker 1: is going to monopolize every way it can and having
Speaker 1: the draft, and basically it's okay, yeah, that's stretching out.
Speaker 1: It's an interesting thought though. Stretching out the calendar really
Speaker 1: helps keep the NFL and the discussion. So yeah, there's
Speaker 1: sure it's not going to change, but it would be
Speaker 1: interesting too. You know, a lot of teams will build
Speaker 1: their board before the combine. Yeah. Uh, and that way
Speaker 1: they have some you know, at least a base going
Speaker 1: into the combine. But it is interesting when some teams
Speaker 1: still they'll take a picture of that board before the combine.
Speaker 1: We did every year, Yeah, and then we did every
Speaker 1: year after. Yeah, you take a before and after picture,
Speaker 1: and then after the draft, three years down the road,
Speaker 1: you go back and look and say, okay, did we
Speaker 1: were we more correct, more accurate pre combine and then
Speaker 1: did we allow the testing to uh skew or thinking
Speaker 1: what you know, what we saw on the field and
Speaker 1: then or did it help in both ways. I got
Speaker 1: a discussion with Gil Brandt this morning about this about
Speaker 1: about boards and stef Kiss. He was, Gil was went
Speaker 1: through our Star magazine, which is out. I'm going to
Speaker 1: give you all the details to the next break and
Speaker 1: how you pick that up. But Gil went through and
Speaker 1: he was he was not as high on Elisha Holyfield
Speaker 1: as I was. And I kind of shamed him in
Speaker 1: a way of saying, of somebody that evaluates tape, it
Speaker 1: was as important to you as evaluation you know of that.
Speaker 1: How would you not evaluate holy Field and say that,
Speaker 1: you know he doesn't have the type of traits you're
Speaker 1: looking for, and back he goes, well, just doesn't run
Speaker 1: well enough. I say, Gilly, you look at the tape.
Speaker 1: You know, you look at the tape. And also he
Speaker 1: was very critical of rap the Washington Safety Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: And I'm like, I S four seven four and we're
Speaker 1: gonna get into that. That's something I want to do
Speaker 1: here in the next at least the opening segment and
Speaker 1: I know we kind of yeah, kind of sorry I
Speaker 1: took that. No, No, it's quite all right, quite all right,
Speaker 1: But I want to get into what's gonna be What
Speaker 1: are they gonna be the discussions in these war rooms? Now,
Speaker 1: what is going is our scouts gonna be you know,
Speaker 1: day and day? Are they going to be affected by
Speaker 1: the way these guys ran? Are they gonna be affected
Speaker 1: that Thompson from Alabama, the safety who we all thought
Speaker 1: was the best one coming into this process, has not
Speaker 1: run a forty yard dash? You know, are we are
Speaker 1: we gonna get affected by Raps time? And are we
Speaker 1: going to get affected by holy Field's time? Are we
Speaker 1: gonna get affected? Uh? You know by the time of
Speaker 1: Jacobs from Alabama? You know, what are scouts gonna be
Speaker 1: fighting for and what are they going to be fighting against?
Speaker 1: You know, are there gonna be people in that room
Speaker 1: that's going to say you cannot take it? For example,
Speaker 1: Juwan H. Williams the corner from Vanderbilt. You know, there's
Speaker 1: gonna be people that are gonna love him in this
Speaker 1: draft room, and there's gonna be people that absolutely absolutely
Speaker 1: don't because of what you said. He doesn't run well enough.
Speaker 1: He doesn't run well enough or the time's not so
Speaker 1: I want to get into that. Your your thought is
Speaker 1: there is there a group of player to all these
Speaker 1: wide receivers. You mentioned that, How are you going to
Speaker 1: stack that? Right? How do you stack all these defensive ends?
Speaker 1: How do you stack the safeties? With all the information
Speaker 1: that's coming in? Where the where do you think the
Speaker 1: biggest fights are gonna be in draft rooms around the
Speaker 1: around the around the country. I think it's gonna be
Speaker 1: these receivers, because you know, we've said it since the start,
Speaker 1: there's we don't have a receiver in this draft that's
Speaker 1: a lock top twenty pick. But after that, between picks
Speaker 1: twenty and you know, one hundred, it's gonna be loaded.
Speaker 1: And so it's just a matter of you know, who
Speaker 1: do we prefer? And even okay, look at this team
Speaker 1: with the Cowboys. They brought in Emmanuel Hall, Yeah, they
Speaker 1: brought in McCole, Hardman, they brought in Deebo Samuel. These
Speaker 1: are all three potential top one hundred picks. And you know,
Speaker 1: more teams are going to have more wide receivers on
Speaker 1: the board. And then the stack those wide receivers, what
Speaker 1: do you prefer? You know, it's going to be an
Speaker 1: initiating conversation with with Deebo. He's not the burner and
Speaker 1: that those other two guys are, but he's a more
Speaker 1: polished receiver and so what do you what do you value?
Speaker 1: And so it's these wide receiver conversations are gonna be
Speaker 1: fascinating with when you throw in some of the bigger
Speaker 1: guys like you're Keim Butler, you're Nikil Harry, Kelvin Harman's
Speaker 1: how do you separate the bigger guys from and Andy
Speaker 1: Isabella from mcole, Hardman, um, you know, some of the
Speaker 1: smaller guys. So the wide receivers are going to be fascinating.
Speaker 1: The stack and then the debate about where they should
Speaker 1: be stacked? Do you do you feel like, what do
Speaker 1: you make of what the cowboys have done? Then at
Speaker 1: wide receiver they added Cobb. I actually yeah, and now
Speaker 1: and they have a group of receivers they you know,
Speaker 1: they did it by committee last year, but they but
Speaker 1: they're still the committee's there. With the addition of Cobb.
Speaker 1: We saw what they were able to do with a
Speaker 1: Marie Cooper wrote, I wrote this this week. It's pinned
Speaker 1: on my Twitter profile and just did a little basic
Speaker 1: like draft primer. For everything you just said, Amari Cooper
Speaker 1: and Michael Gallop are the only guys here with long
Speaker 1: term futures. It might be fun to draft a young
Speaker 1: guy on a four year deal, and that gives your
Speaker 1: receiver corps a long term direction because then you've got
Speaker 1: Gallop for three more years, new guy for four more years,
Speaker 1: and you know, whatever Cooper winds up signing, it'll be long.
Speaker 1: You know it'll be four or five six years. On
Speaker 1: the other side of that, you have Randall Cobb, Tavon Austin,
Speaker 1: and Alan Hearns who are all here. And then that
Speaker 1: doesn't even include Cedric Wilson, Noah Brown, Lance Lenore, and
Speaker 1: I'll even throw in Devin Smith because who knows, maybe
Speaker 1: he can get right. So you obviously don't need a receiver.
Speaker 1: But that's what I've been saying from the very beginning
Speaker 1: is if you invest in a good one, first of all,
Speaker 1: it's going to help your quarterback out. I think it's
Speaker 1: a great bang for your buck pick either at fifty
Speaker 1: eight or at ninety based on what Dane is just
Speaker 1: now saying about, how do you even stack these wide receivers.
Speaker 1: It's the classic like best player available, Like no, no,
Speaker 1: they don't need one, but I really think they could
Speaker 1: take this receiver corps to another level by drafting a
Speaker 1: good one. What do you make them bringing in Damien
Speaker 1: Harris running back from Alabama's interesting is the most surprising.
Speaker 1: And you know, we don't have to go down the
Speaker 1: whole list of thirty you can find you could find
Speaker 1: it out, but we'll talk about it. And that's you know,
Speaker 1: kind of I wanted to get into. You know, I
Speaker 1: wrote a story about it that we we published it
Speaker 1: two weeks ago, but we ran it back this week.
Speaker 1: Is you can get an idea of what they're thinking
Speaker 1: for all of these positions based on who they're inviting,
Speaker 1: because I mean, at the end of the day, we
Speaker 1: don't know one hundred percent where these guys are going
Speaker 1: to be drafted, but you have an idea, right So
Speaker 1: the receivers you're talking about, guys that you probably got
Speaker 1: to take in the second, third, maybe fourth round. Some
Speaker 1: of the you know, there's there's some linebackers that are
Speaker 1: clearly like day three picks. Obviously they don't want to
Speaker 1: invest a big pick on that. You talking you know,
Speaker 1: round six seven, maybe undrafted free agent and that's what's
Speaker 1: so curious about Damian Harris is you're not getting him
Speaker 1: anywhere but fifty eight? Are you if maybe he's if
Speaker 1: he would get to ninety? Maybe that's why you're doing
Speaker 1: your Are you saying that? What are you saying he
Speaker 1: can get to ninety? I think it's possible. Sure, running
Speaker 1: backs are so tough. It's just because of what you
Speaker 1: saw last year with the r LSU kid and you
Speaker 1: even brought that guys dropping all the way down. We
Speaker 1: are we are we overrating Harrison? Maybe we are? But
Speaker 1: even are we? I mean I got a second round
Speaker 1: grade on the game, so why needs a second back?
Speaker 1: I have a first round Grand Jacobs, second round grade
Speaker 1: on um to Harris, and then a bunch of third
Speaker 1: round grades. Yeah, so you know, I think he's worth it.
Speaker 1: But I don't know. If this team took a running
Speaker 1: back of fifty kill, yeah, it would be so. It
Speaker 1: would be bad. It would It would be a shock too.
Speaker 1: It would be a total sub wouldn't It would be
Speaker 1: mildly shocking if they took one at ninety? In my opinion,
Speaker 1: I agree absolutely so that that does, you know, to
Speaker 1: your point make it really interesting? They brought in Harris.
Speaker 1: You know, I don't know. Could you see him taking
Speaker 1: a running back at ninety? Yeah, Well, if if Damian
Speaker 1: Harris were to fall to ninety, I think that's a
Speaker 1: different conversation. Yeah, like that's different. Let me tell you this.
Speaker 1: If Taylor Rap falls to fifty eighth to safety, I'm
Speaker 1: all in for that, sure, But that's so much I'm
Speaker 1: just saying. I'm saying though, but I'm talking about guys
Speaker 1: that potentially could fall. I don't see Harris or Rap falling.
Speaker 1: I guess that's my point. Yeah, but I would you know,
Speaker 1: and do you do you look at Harrison say they
Speaker 1: could very well have a second round grade on him,
Speaker 1: and he very well could be better than anybody that's
Speaker 1: left in the second round. So what real question? So,
Speaker 1: like I said, I want to read the whole quick,
Speaker 1: real quick, real quick. How many seconds? How many projects
Speaker 1: those guys we projected at fifty eight last week? How
Speaker 1: many of those guys you think are better that Damian
Speaker 1: Harris is better than the guys that we projected at
Speaker 1: at at fifty eight? Um, I mean, if you go
Speaker 1: through we think the two safety is better than the
Speaker 1: two safeties. If Abram if Abram was there or he
Speaker 1: raps like he might be better. And I know, like
Speaker 1: you know, there are people that are down on Abram
Speaker 1: because he doesn't cover as well as other safeties. And
Speaker 1: you know, you never want a window dress your board.
Speaker 1: But never, man, it sounds crazy to go away from
Speaker 1: a good player at a position you need to draft
Speaker 1: a backup for an all pro I'm looking at my
Speaker 1: top one hundred board, and Harris is my fifty second player,
Speaker 1: my last ranked second round grade, and Abraham is thirty seven,
Speaker 1: my highest grade, highest second round grade. Um, but I
Speaker 1: think everyone else we talked about like debos behind Damien Harris, um,
Speaker 1: who else we talk about? Call your Thorne Hill. Yeah,
Speaker 1: call your thorn Hill. So we talked about it, but
Speaker 1: about those defensive tackle No, I think there's a very
Speaker 1: realistic possibility he is the best player that it could
Speaker 1: be there at fifty eight. But that doesn't mean you
Speaker 1: should take him. What did you say, window dressing or not?
Speaker 1: But no, no, no, I'm just I'm just I'm just again.
Speaker 1: We're here today, brought this guy in for reason. Let's
Speaker 1: try and figure out what that reason is. I would
Speaker 1: assume doing your due diligence, and yeah, maybe they like
Speaker 1: him better than a lot of their other options. I
Speaker 1: think I think we'd have to take well, you you
Speaker 1: think there might be a possibility that he could be
Speaker 1: you're just saying that he for sure we'll be there
Speaker 1: at fifty eight, not for sure, but probably Yeah, and
Speaker 1: then but if you would get to ninety, then okay,
Speaker 1: maybe that's why you kill him. You kill you're killing
Speaker 1: him for taking him at ninety. Now, I won't kill
Speaker 1: him for taking him at ninety. I don't think i'd
Speaker 1: have a choice but to kill him for taking him
Speaker 1: at fifty eight. Which what did you say to me
Speaker 1: on the break last week? Like Ezekiel Elliott is a
Speaker 1: humongous part of the reason for all of their success
Speaker 1: these last three years. Absolutely, and he's that good that
Speaker 1: you have to spend a top sixty pick on a
Speaker 1: backup for him, And also keeping in mind would happen
Speaker 1: to him last year? Yeah, he got worn down, Ye
Speaker 1: get bad, So he's It kind of goes back to
Speaker 1: the argument of like, there's no way contract looming too,
Speaker 1: don't there's no effing way that you need to like,
Speaker 1: uh wow, I totally brain farted. There, there's no way
Speaker 1: you need to allocate all these resources to have a
Speaker 1: stud at every offensive line position, Right, isn't that what
Speaker 1: people say, Like you don't need a first round pick
Speaker 1: at every position position to be good if you need
Speaker 1: a top sixty running back to back up one of
Speaker 1: the three best in the league, like that just seems
Speaker 1: wildly inaccurate to me. Right, this team should absolutely draft
Speaker 1: a running back. It just doesn't have to be with
Speaker 1: the top one hundred pick. Yeah, I mean, go look
Speaker 1: at who Look at Philip Lindsay from last year. You
Speaker 1: know this is fascinating. You mean that they brought him
Speaker 1: in though, it's when you got trying to figure it
Speaker 1: out when you go down the list of visitors, he
Speaker 1: jumps off the page at you. Like, guys, you're telling
Speaker 1: me how poor these thirty visits they are. And I'm
Speaker 1: just trying to figure all this out. I don't I
Speaker 1: get have to come up with an answer. I'll tell
Speaker 1: you right now, because because it would if you would
Speaker 1: follow to ninety, like that would be tremendous value. Just
Speaker 1: it doesn't mean it's the right pick depending on who
Speaker 1: else is there. But I think in the right scenario,
Speaker 1: if he would follow to ninety, then it would make sense.
Speaker 1: Depending on who else is there at night? So at
Speaker 1: ninety he makes sense and at fifty eight you're scratching
Speaker 1: your head. Yes, maybe he makes sense at night. It
Speaker 1: just depends who's there. Why do you want him at
Speaker 1: ninety because it's a lesser value pick, and you're telling
Speaker 1: me that he's I mean, you're getting him a full
Speaker 1: round after you said he'd be gone. I still don't
Speaker 1: love it, Don't get me wrong. What are you trying
Speaker 1: to get it fifty eighth? Then tell me what your
Speaker 1: your idea is to get it fifty eighth? Then a
Speaker 1: potential impact player on defense, maybe not impact player, but
Speaker 1: someone that's going to at least be a building block
Speaker 1: to your defense, whether that's a safety, defensive lineman, whoever.
Speaker 1: Gerald Willis. Actually, well, there we go a second round player,
Speaker 1: don't there we go? Don't don't we got? We got
Speaker 1: gerald Willis talk coming up in the second segments. No,
Speaker 1: I understand. I'm just trying to you know you think
Speaker 1: he's a second round player? No, okay, absolutely not. They might.
Speaker 1: I totally hope not. I want and I'll even take
Speaker 1: a step further. I want to And you're you're about to,
Speaker 1: You're about to come at me for this, But I
Speaker 1: want the guy. I want the best player available need
Speaker 1: who will make no who will will who will make
Speaker 1: an impact for this team? And like, even if it's
Speaker 1: a receiver, he's got a better chance of doing that
Speaker 1: in the past happy NFL. He could theoretically with the
Speaker 1: three Okay, who your three start receivers here right now,
Speaker 1: Cobb of Gallup and Cooper. That that receiver you're talking
Speaker 1: about going to make a cop who has not been
Speaker 1: healthy the last two years of his career, who I
Speaker 1: think would be a mistake to just assume he's going
Speaker 1: to play sixteen games. Okay, but you tell me, you
Speaker 1: tell receivers have a hard time having some success, right
Speaker 1: first year rookies. Yeah, traditionally it's the one position that time.
Speaker 1: And you know, for the eighteenth time, I'll say, I
Speaker 1: don't necessarily buy that, because teams find guys every year. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Juju was pick sixty two. Yeah, Tyler Lockett was pick
Speaker 1: sixty nine. They take Zach Allen. Is Zach Allen a
Speaker 1: better player than Damien Harris? What is Damian Harris doing
Speaker 1: for this team? What's I'm just saying a vacuum. I'd
Speaker 1: rather have running back let's tell the running backs have
Speaker 1: a better chance of coming in and having success than
Speaker 1: any other positions on this Has Zeke ever missed a
Speaker 1: game for injury? No, the answers no, No, knock on wood,
Speaker 1: the answers no. Is this coaching staff creative enough to
Speaker 1: use two running backs really effectively the way the Saints
Speaker 1: did with Ingram and Kamara? You want them to take
Speaker 1: a tight end at fifty eight, that's that same question.
Speaker 1: I don't same reason, the same reason. I just either
Speaker 1: on either defense or receiver, that would be my preference. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but we'll see how the board falls. It's just too
Speaker 1: when you're picking fifty eight because you're fifty seven have
Speaker 1: to come off the board. Oh sure, but okay, let's
Speaker 1: get into this real quick. Taylor rap runs in the
Speaker 1: mid four sevens. Bring him good, bring him, bring him well.
Speaker 1: He's not falling. The fifty eight stole much. That's me.
Speaker 1: Let's stop with the fifty eight and hope he falls.
Speaker 1: That's not going to happen. But he could fall out
Speaker 1: the first round. That is realistic. Yeah, And if he's there, say,
Speaker 1: best case scenario is there forty? Do you go with you?
Speaker 1: The whole I've been with you the whole time. I
Speaker 1: never thought he was gonna get out of forty to
Speaker 1: forty five. I thought him and Abram both weren't gonna
Speaker 1: get out of forty five. No, I know, I'm just
Speaker 1: saying with a no, I never I never thought of
Speaker 1: him as being a guy that was going to be there.
Speaker 1: But if people don't like a four to seven four, yeah,
Speaker 1: come on, but that's a second or your third to
Speaker 1: go get on trade and ninety. No. No, I'm not, no, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: I know that I can't get him. If he said forty,
Speaker 1: I'm not giving him much second of my third to
Speaker 1: go get him. No, That's what I'm at because he's
Speaker 1: not coming at fifty eight. But you, okay, what if
Speaker 1: I what if he gets close enough? What if he
Speaker 1: gets to fifty and I could ship one of my fours? Okay,
Speaker 1: Now I'm in sad. I don't think that's realistic. Pipe
Speaker 1: is too good. Yeah, we're pipe dreaming right now. I
Speaker 1: do think it's realistic. Everybody's telling me, now, oh he's
Speaker 1: ran four seven four. He's not. He's he might he's
Speaker 1: not gonna get picked in the top second round, top
Speaker 1: of the second round. Oh maybe he's not gonna be
Speaker 1: There's a chance he had a Hall of Fame guy,
Speaker 1: tell me that. This morning I talked, I told you
Speaker 1: kill Bratt fought me on the guy. Even if he
Speaker 1: doesn't get drafted the top of the second, cowboys aren't
Speaker 1: picking in the middle of the second, they're picking at
Speaker 1: the end. Yeah, realistically, he's there. Let's say he's there
Speaker 1: at forty. These the arguments are having right now. You're
Speaker 1: not going to trade your phone at third to go
Speaker 1: get him. Yeah, since when do you want to hold
Speaker 1: onto your picks? No, you're always trying to get rid. No, no, No,
Speaker 1: I love, I love. I love the way you guys
Speaker 1: are thinking. The problem that I'm running into, though, is
Speaker 1: you told me from an initiation. I don't think the
Speaker 1: way you guys just described it. Nothing's changed for us.
Speaker 1: Nothing's changed. The four seven four, I think gives us
Speaker 1: a shot now. I wasn't. Well, I'm not shot draft
Speaker 1: him at fifty eight. No, No, a shot to make
Speaker 1: a small move, not a not a full on two
Speaker 1: pick move, don't I think that's Yeah? Okay, if that's
Speaker 1: the case, if you guys should tell me this, we're
Speaker 1: not doing it. Yeah, we're not doing row. We are rough,
Speaker 1: So you're not giving up your second year thirty. You'd
Speaker 1: rather have Zach Ellen than about one thornhill. That's what
Speaker 1: it's gonna take. I'm gonna go. I'm gonna get me
Speaker 1: some players in this draft. If you guys tell me
Speaker 1: there's a shot that he's gonna be there, If there's
Speaker 1: a shot that he's gonna be there at fifty, I'm in.
Speaker 1: I'm in, but he's got to get to fifty for me.
Speaker 1: I am not giving up a second two and three.
Speaker 1: I'm not doing it. Is there a guy you'd give
Speaker 1: up the three four? And I love him? No? No,
Speaker 1: you don't you like him, You don't love him? Oh
Speaker 1: stair point, Dane's playing broadest right stair point. If you're
Speaker 1: not gonna give a pick ninety is there a guy
Speaker 1: you'd give up pick ninety four? I'm thinking I'm thinking
Speaker 1: about that because to me, I just I don't want
Speaker 1: to do that. Since when you always want to do conservative? No, No,
Speaker 1: not in this case though, because I thought I realistically
Speaker 1: and we gotta go to break. I'm killing Kent right now.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry about this. But the thing about it is,
Speaker 1: I'm sitting there thinking I didn't ever think I had
Speaker 1: a shot at him anyway. I didn't. I never, I never.
Speaker 1: I never thought I had a shot at him. And
Speaker 1: he runs at four seven to four, and everybody's telling me, now, oh,
Speaker 1: he might be there at fifty eight. You know, all
Speaker 1: these people are starting to say, oh, well, he runs slow.
Speaker 1: I don't believe they. Hall of Famer just told me, Hey,
Speaker 1: he might be there. I don't believe it. I don't
Speaker 1: believe that that'll happen. Yeah, I don't either. You like
Speaker 1: Thompson enough to take him at fifty eight? Yeah? Scared? Oh?
Speaker 1: Why we haven't seen him work out? He's he worked
Speaker 1: out the other day. He ran to you, did a
Speaker 1: short shuttle, lot of stuff for you. Other day he
Speaker 1: hadn't run. Okay, why isn't he running? Is you have
Speaker 1: a leg injury? An ankle? No, it's a wrist. Might
Speaker 1: be the same contition, she might be the same thing
Speaker 1: about that safety at Washington. You want me to trade
Speaker 1: up for what slow? Maybe? Well, I have more issues
Speaker 1: with Thompson than just speed, you know, a straight line speed.
Speaker 1: So what's your other issue? Size? Yeah, the fact that
Speaker 1: he's he's lanky. I mean, he's going to get I
Speaker 1: think he's gonna get hurt with the way he because
Speaker 1: he's a physical guy who won't back down. But he's
Speaker 1: gonna get hurt because they don't have a bulk on
Speaker 1: his body. Um, I think his eyes are an issue.
Speaker 1: Let me ask you this, and this would be my
Speaker 1: final point, Ken, I promise when we get to two
Speaker 1: fifty eight and we start talking about best players on
Speaker 1: the board, is he going to be one of your
Speaker 1: best players on the board. You're talking about the Ante Thompson. Yes,
Speaker 1: I am so ye Alabama. The art what you're framing
Speaker 1: for me right now is that you're gonna have a
Speaker 1: choice between a bunch of guys that you don't love
Speaker 1: at positions you'd rather have, or Damien Harris. This is
Speaker 1: exactly what I'm trying to frame. And I'm still saying,
Speaker 1: give me the guy exactly what I'm trying to frame.
Speaker 1: Thank you for coming around the guy. I don't. I don't.
Speaker 1: It doesn't change my opinion. Don't. I'm not. I don't
Speaker 1: want to draft it back up at fifty eight. It'd
Speaker 1: be dumb. I'd rather take a risk. Yeah, I'll say
Speaker 1: it'd be dumb to do it. It would be dumb
Speaker 1: with that, we'll go to break. We'll be right back
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Speaker 1: you Eddie. All Right, we got a lot of good questions.
Speaker 1: We're just gonna we're gonna try to go as rapid
Speaker 1: fire as possible. I mentioned Gerald Willis in the last segment.
Speaker 1: Kevin says Gerald Willis's draft grade is all over the map.
Speaker 1: Would rafting him at fifty eight disappoint you? I think
Speaker 1: based on what y'all said in the last segment, the
Speaker 1: answer would be yes. Fifty eight would be high for me.
Speaker 1: This is the Miami defensive tack Absolutely. Yeah, he's probably
Speaker 1: an under tackle. Well, he has his background worries me.
Speaker 1: I mean, I get him all the credit in the
Speaker 1: world for having being on this field as a senior,
Speaker 1: but uh, you know, he some off field stuff, some
Speaker 1: injury stuff. He's inconsistent verse to run when he shoots
Speaker 1: the gap. He can be a disruptor in the backfield,
Speaker 1: and there's a lot to like there, but it's the
Speaker 1: other stuff that worries me. Um, I think he's more
Speaker 1: of a third, fourth round guy. Dane's got him right.
Speaker 1: I love this question from Renee. He says, if the
Speaker 1: best player available, going back to the first segment, if
Speaker 1: the best player available at fifty eight it's a cornerback,
Speaker 1: why not go for that. At times near the end
Speaker 1: of last year, I felt like cheetos surpassed Byron. I
Speaker 1: don't know about that, but that's okay. Wouldn't hurt, wouldn't
Speaker 1: hurt to have insurance? Yeah, that's true, Byron did just
Speaker 1: have surgery. I love this question because honestly, it wouldn't
Speaker 1: shock me, like you keep you keep hearing whispers about
Speaker 1: Chris Richard to look at cornerbacks, and he went to
Speaker 1: a lot of long There are ange ones here in
Speaker 1: about a lot of long, lengthy corners. And again, you know,
Speaker 1: obviously they have needs, but they've fortified themselves pretty well.
Speaker 1: So what do y'all think talking about who could be
Speaker 1: the best player of available at fifty eight? I think
Speaker 1: it's realistic that a Joean Williams from Vanderbilt could be
Speaker 1: the best player available. Absolutely, and if that's the case,
Speaker 1: that would make some sense. Again, there's not one single
Speaker 1: team in this league that says, no, we're good at corner,
Speaker 1: we don't need anymore. No, every team needs more corner depth,
Speaker 1: especially this team. When you think the contracts, you look
Speaker 1: at Byron Jones coming off the hip, and so yeah,
Speaker 1: I think that would make some sense of fifty any Again,
Speaker 1: this team is not a player at fifty eight away
Speaker 1: from going to the super Bowl. Okay, Like, this player
Speaker 1: at fifty eight is going to help, but it's not
Speaker 1: gonna make or break this team going to the super Bowl.
Speaker 1: So do what's best not only for next year, but
Speaker 1: also for the long term. Thirty visit guy that quis
Speaker 1: Chris Westy. I was thinking of, Yeah, I was thinking
Speaker 1: of I was looking at other cornerbacks that can tell. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I wasn't looking at him. Well, no one else would
Speaker 1: because they're the Kentucky had four defensive backs, Yeah, play
Speaker 1: in either the Shrine Game of the Senior Bowl. This
Speaker 1: guy was the fifth defensive back. Right, couldn't make He
Speaker 1: only made the Tropical Bowl, which is like the fourth
Speaker 1: All Star Game. Right, but when you look at the
Speaker 1: raw numbers, six four and a half hundred nine nine
Speaker 1: pounds ran a four three five forty yard Dad, But
Speaker 1: I saw him in my own eyes. He's he's a
Speaker 1: good looking kid. Westree. What's your grade on him? I
Speaker 1: haven't seen him. I've seen I have not. I could
Speaker 1: be honest with you. I have not watched him play.
Speaker 1: I don't He've watched three hundred and fifty other guys.
Speaker 1: I'll try. I mean, that's what I'm saying. I mean
Speaker 1: he's one of those guys. I'll tell you. Okay, let
Speaker 1: me ask you real quick. What about Derek Thomas from Baylor?
Speaker 1: Do you know any much about him? He was a
Speaker 1: combined guy. Um, he temple and Yeah, he form a
Speaker 1: basketball player, kind of late bloomer on the football. So
Speaker 1: he's a late round consideration guy. Yeah, I have him
Speaker 1: as a seventh, but he was a sixty sixty three
Speaker 1: and he ran a four four four. Let there we go.
Speaker 1: I wonder if maybe Richard is looking for like a
Speaker 1: late round guy he can kind and yeah, next year
Speaker 1: they say, Byron, you can go. We've got this kid.
Speaker 1: We feel really well. Maybe it's a situation that they
Speaker 1: got with it with Anthony Brown. They remember what Anthony
Speaker 1: Brown was taking. We had third round grades on Anthey Brown.
Speaker 1: He gets taken it in six rounds. Point keep an eye,
Speaker 1: all right, Noah just says, go along with his hypothetical.
Speaker 1: Here Gerald Willis or Jay Sternberger at fifty eight. Oh,
Speaker 1: Gerald Willis didn't make my top one hundred player. You
Speaker 1: don't like the pregnant pause right there? No, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: I'm trying to think of though. You know they I
Speaker 1: think they need defensive tackles. I don't think they need
Speaker 1: that defensive tackle. That's now they're they're hunting three techniques.
Speaker 1: They're hunting three, they're not hunting nose. So it made
Speaker 1: me pause because Willis could play the three, and Dane
Speaker 1: was talking about his ability to shoot the gap, which
Speaker 1: is absolutely right. There's there's things against our alma mater.
Speaker 1: You could see him make some plays, but he'll play
Speaker 1: tall on you now too, So do you What I'm
Speaker 1: hearing you say is that you probably have a better
Speaker 1: grade on Sternberger, but you'd rather take a chance on
Speaker 1: Willis being able to be an undertackle. I'm just gonna
Speaker 1: tell you what they'll do. Well, that's what I care about.
Speaker 1: They don't actually care about your opinion. They're gonna they're
Speaker 1: gonna take. They would take Willis. I kind of think
Speaker 1: so too. They would take Willis, and I would take
Speaker 1: Sternberger myself because I think they're better defensive tackles than Willis.
Speaker 1: Give me Damien Harris just, oh god, no, I wouldn't
Speaker 1: be happy with that scenario. If we figure out why
Speaker 1: they brought Damien Harrison here, guys, I think we kind
Speaker 1: of did in the first segment. I mean, they didn't
Speaker 1: do it for fun. They pick him at fifty eight. Boys,
Speaker 1: just get ready for the get ready for the fire.
Speaker 1: What'll be what'll be a worse reaction that or the
Speaker 1: Taco reaction. The Taco reaction wasn't good either. It was
Speaker 1: bad My Cody Kessler reaction. Oh god, Argentina dude says,
Speaker 1: this is a good dude. That's his name. Welcome Argentina.
Speaker 1: Dude knowing Lyle is gone after this year, which probably,
Speaker 1: but you can't guarantee that, So a mail bad question today.
Speaker 1: If Greg Little drops to forty five, would you give
Speaker 1: up ninety to go get him? Offensive tackle? Sneaky need,
Speaker 1: not an immediate need, but a sneaky one because Lyle.
Speaker 1: If Troy Brown's getting paid seventy million, Lyle Collins is
Speaker 1: probably due for a pretty sick paid age. I don't think.
Speaker 1: I don't think you know what I think they would do.
Speaker 1: Cam Flemington goes to right tackle. I agree they signed
Speaker 1: Cam Fleming on a two year deal. I think this.
Speaker 1: I think they would be a bridge to whoever else
Speaker 1: to go draft. I think they are content to let
Speaker 1: that hang for a year. And I totally agree that
Speaker 1: if they have to, they'll play Connor Williams over there
Speaker 1: Draft Show twenty twenty. They'll be talking about offense exactly,
Speaker 1: exactly agree. Okay, Wow, you actually agreed with me. Zach
Speaker 1: Zach's I love the Zach's been listening to the show
Speaker 1: because this is the broadest phrase. Zach's trying to find
Speaker 1: a willing dance partner. Yeah, there you go, Zach. Would
Speaker 1: Dallas try to move Tank Lawrence to Baltimore for a
Speaker 1: one in a four? They don't think you're gonna get
Speaker 1: a one from him. I know I want not going
Speaker 1: to get a one. I like we did a whole
Speaker 1: show on a one and a three. I like outside
Speaker 1: the box questions. But great question. As long as this
Speaker 1: shoulder thing is lingering with Tank, I just don't know
Speaker 1: if I if Tank would get if Tank would have
Speaker 1: been fixed, then I think there's a possibility that you
Speaker 1: get somebody to give you a one. I just don't
Speaker 1: think being he I think i'd say this on our
Speaker 1: show yesterday, all right, a couple of days ago. If
Speaker 1: if he gets fixed, he I think he takes back
Speaker 1: over the leverage. That's another day for another show. But yeah,
Speaker 1: I think if he gets fixed, all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: he says, Okay, I gave you something, now you give
Speaker 1: me something. Not only that, but like, hey, I'm as
Speaker 1: soon as you put the paper in front of me,
Speaker 1: I'll be ready to go again. This team hunting defensive tackles,
Speaker 1: not ends, which is kind of a different thought. Right now,
Speaker 1: Caleb says, Dan, this is I'm gonna put you on
Speaker 1: the spot here and I'm sorry. He says, how many
Speaker 1: safeties do you think will be picked before pick fifty eight?
Speaker 1: How many teams ahead of the Cowboys have a need
Speaker 1: at safety? I'm really I'm putting your draft knowledge to
Speaker 1: the test. There's quite a few. Because I was, I'm
Speaker 1: mapping up my seven round mock draft that'll be up
Speaker 1: next week. We'll do that the week of the draft.
Speaker 1: By the way, we'll have our Cowboys seven round mock
Speaker 1: draft Tuesday before the draft. And it's interesting trying to
Speaker 1: map out these safeties. I only had one going in
Speaker 1: the first round. Then I think I had four going
Speaker 1: ahead of fifty eight, so five total, and which makes
Speaker 1: things interesting. Who's your one? Adderally going on the one
Speaker 1: and then wrap Abram Gardner, Chauncy Gardner, Johnson, Deantay Thompson
Speaker 1: coming off the board in front of Dallas. So you know,
Speaker 1: you look at teams like Philly, um, they could use one.
Speaker 1: I think had Chaunty Gardner, Johnson, the new Nickel in Atlanta.
Speaker 1: What's Houston situation. They got back to back picks right
Speaker 1: in front of you two they do yeah, well they
Speaker 1: just they lose it. They signed somebody about but they
Speaker 1: signed the kid out of Jacksonville. Yeah, from Jacksonville Gibson,
Speaker 1: their third rounder from last year from Stanford Reid. He
Speaker 1: played pretty well, a really well. Yeah. So I think
Speaker 1: I think they're okay at safety at least in the
Speaker 1: first two rounds. Um, but I think they're gonna go
Speaker 1: you know who, the Technics are going to go after
Speaker 1: some of those bigger corners. Yeah, Isaiah Johnson, Joan Williams,
Speaker 1: a couple of corners that the Cowboys might be interested in.
Speaker 1: So say, good insight, right there, Cowboys are fans of
Speaker 1: Isaiah Johnson. Going back to that cornerback talk that I mean,
Speaker 1: that's that is interesting. I mean, hey, there's there's more
Speaker 1: safeties visiting the Star this week than any other position,
Speaker 1: and of all the guys you just named, I think
Speaker 1: three or four of them are visitors. So right, just saying, um,
Speaker 1: Paul says, with some chatter about working out linebackers, who
Speaker 1: are some late round linebackers that could kind of step
Speaker 1: into that special team's role. You know who I like
Speaker 1: a lot as Cole Holk them from North Carolina and
Speaker 1: he combined snub former walk on I mean just uh
Speaker 1: kind of made his way and he led the team
Speaker 1: in tackles the last three years. Really athletic. UH needs
Speaker 1: to be a better take on player. But I like
Speaker 1: I like him. I think he's smart, I think he's physical. Um,
Speaker 1: it just needs to be a little more efficient with
Speaker 1: the way you can take on blocks. What did you
Speaker 1: think about Blake Cashman from Minnesota? Oh? I love get?
Speaker 1: Is he a higher up than He's? Not? A late
Speaker 1: round guy to you? Then? I gave Hi a fourth
Speaker 1: round grade before the Combine. Then he tested a lot
Speaker 1: better and he expected him too, So so you would
Speaker 1: be a guy that you would you would say he
Speaker 1: would probably go a lot earlier than where people he
Speaker 1: usually had him projected. Right, He's a player you consider
Speaker 1: in the top one hundred. Where would you do with
Speaker 1: Cameron Smith from USC fourth round grade? I believe Okay,
Speaker 1: he tested a lot better than he plays like. He's instinctive,
Speaker 1: but he left production on the field because he just
Speaker 1: doesn't have the range that you need. I'll see you
Speaker 1: what though, he is a guy when you watch him
Speaker 1: play that read and react stuff is really good. He's sharp. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And so all of a sudden, I'm starting to think, Okay,
Speaker 1: a guy that sees it pretty well. That reads pretty fast.
Speaker 1: They could get the ball. Yeah, can you finish a
Speaker 1: little bit better? I think he could. But yeah, four
Speaker 1: sixty seven and he's and he's over. He's at six two,
Speaker 1: two thirty eight. I don't when I think of special teamers, though,
Speaker 1: I don't know if he's necessarily going to fit the bill, um,
Speaker 1: even though I know he tested well. Yeah, I'm thinking
Speaker 1: of Coole Holko. Another thirty visit is or Arkansas linebacker.
Speaker 1: I think he's the ideal special teamer and a guy
Speaker 1: that you're looking at in fifth the seventh round. Okay,
Speaker 1: here's a good one. Um. Kevin says, you know, talking
Speaker 1: about safeties, if the value just isn't there for safety
Speaker 1: on Day two, he says, early Day three safeties, So
Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm setting the strict parameter. Fourth round pick
Speaker 1: you got, you got two. Who's the safety you could
Speaker 1: draft with one of those fourth round picks that you
Speaker 1: would feel good about? You're like any of those fourth
Speaker 1: round safeties brought. I'm looking right now at my fourth
Speaker 1: round safeties. He threw out Malik Gant Malik gans a
Speaker 1: good player from Marshall. Yeah, yeah, that's a good name.
Speaker 1: Malie Gant and Mike Edwards are my two fourth round safeties. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Mike Edwards from Kentucky who's been banged up but he
Speaker 1: can play. Yeah. Um and I have a couple of
Speaker 1: four fives will Um Will Harris from Boston College College. Yeah,
Speaker 1: thinks in Colorado a couple four they visited. They also
Speaker 1: visited to that Cary Wills, the Cory Wills from You
Speaker 1: Can Stay. Yep, you didn't have him that highlight. No,
Speaker 1: I did fifth round. I think it's what fix I
Speaker 1: have a six. Yeah, I think it was fifth round
Speaker 1: on him though, But yeah, that's kind of the you know,
Speaker 1: I've got to get into a couple more of those guys.
Speaker 1: But I think the guy that the guy they brought in,
Speaker 1: Malie Malik Gant's a great name. And then also I
Speaker 1: know that I could say, yeah, that that's Willis. Those
Speaker 1: were kind of the guys I would think that they
Speaker 1: would they would look at is that it for this?
Speaker 1: I got more? I mean, we're up at we're let's
Speaker 1: let's let's save that. Let's say that we got we
Speaker 1: I want to do some tell me more, maybe we
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Speaker 1: his Twitter DP Burglar and we'll go David hellman, let's
Speaker 1: do a little tell me more. The great thing about
Speaker 1: waiting till later in the draft cycle to do tell
Speaker 1: me more is that you can pay attention to news
Speaker 1: going on with the Cowboys draft interests and then pick
Speaker 1: names that are beneficial and make you say on smart Yep,
Speaker 1: there you go. We kind of touched on one of
Speaker 1: them in the last segment. Tell me more about Boston
Speaker 1: College safety Will Harris. Will Harris senior Bowl guy, not
Speaker 1: a lot of college production. Yeah, but I thought, I
Speaker 1: think he has good traits. Freddy Rangey. I want to
Speaker 1: see better red reacts anticipation from him. But I think
Speaker 1: he moves well. I think he's tough, so I think
Speaker 1: he hold up versus run in the past. I just
Speaker 1: don't he's not a playmaker, Yeah, but I think he
Speaker 1: there are functional traits that will keep him in the NFL. No,
Speaker 1: he's absolutely right. And when you watch him watch his tape,
Speaker 1: you're like, okay, okay, okay, You're kind of waiting for
Speaker 1: him to do something, and then you know he'll find
Speaker 1: a way. I think the thing that Dane said the
Speaker 1: best about his traits, I think he's a really I
Speaker 1: think he's a good athlete, and I think when he
Speaker 1: sees it, he can go. You can see the four
Speaker 1: four one speed that he has when he has to
Speaker 1: make what are the best places? I saw that I
Speaker 1: switched to coverage him in a corner, switched the coverage
Speaker 1: on a route that went down the field, and and
Speaker 1: usually safeties get caught having to chase. He just naturally
Speaker 1: just turned and ran with the ran with the safety.
Speaker 1: So it showed me that he knew what his signment was.
Speaker 1: It also showed me he had the athletic ability to
Speaker 1: carry the wide receiver down the field. So I like him.
Speaker 1: I had him personally in the fifth round. It's where
Speaker 1: I had So that's kind of where where we're at. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I really would like it if the Cowboys drafted a
Speaker 1: running back in a sensible slot. Okay, not at pick
Speaker 1: fifty eight, Okay, day three. So with that in mind,
Speaker 1: tell me more about Miami's Travis Homer. A young guy.
Speaker 1: He's one of the youngest in his class. He doesn't
Speaker 1: turn like twenty one until August. So young young kid.
Speaker 1: Thanks Mickey five ten, two one, four four eight and
Speaker 1: the forty um he's I was pretty encouraged by his
Speaker 1: pass pro Yeah, he'll stop up and do it. Um,
Speaker 1: he's more of a slasher. Yeah, one cut guy and
Speaker 1: go and uh he'll he'll run through contacts. But he's
Speaker 1: not overly powerful. Um, he's a guy in the later
Speaker 1: rounds that I wouldn't mind adding to my team. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think that. I think did Danes absolutely right about him, Winskin.
Speaker 1: I think this guy's really aware to pick up blitzes,
Speaker 1: which is really I was encouraged by that because he's
Speaker 1: five ten three two h one the four four eight
Speaker 1: looks in gentlemen. And I thought he had great patience
Speaker 1: as a runner too. You would see like the blocks
Speaker 1: kind of developers start to develop and it wasn't always clean,
Speaker 1: and then he would wait, wait, wait, wait, and end
Speaker 1: up he's stepping through the hole. So yeah, I was
Speaker 1: I felt like that they would he played a little
Speaker 1: bit more power. I thought there were times where I
Speaker 1: watched him lower the shoulder, try and run through guys.
Speaker 1: He'll bounce off guys, you know, carry you know, carry
Speaker 1: the ball, carries his pads. Well. I think that there's
Speaker 1: some complete backtraits to his game. Again, not a lot
Speaker 1: of catching, but the times that he did catch, I
Speaker 1: thought he was pretty comfortable doing that. A couple he
Speaker 1: had to adjust the ball was behind him. He just
Speaker 1: two it a couple different times in the flat and
Speaker 1: then gets up the field. So where am I getting him?
Speaker 1: He's probably more of like a fifth sixth round, kind
Speaker 1: of between five and seven more. Yeah, he's somewhere, probably
Speaker 1: more closer to six. I know you're I know you
Speaker 1: said five to seven, but he's probably closer to a
Speaker 1: sixth round guy's really what he is. Speaking of tall cornerbacks.
Speaker 1: Got my eye on a six two guy out of
Speaker 1: Penn State by the name of Amani Oruwarier. A nice job,
Speaker 1: thank you, I wrote working on it. I wrote out
Speaker 1: the I wrote out the phonetic spelling on my notes.
Speaker 1: You go. I'm still working on him. People like him
Speaker 1: a lot more than I do. I don't know. I
Speaker 1: like him, yeah, but I don't like he didn't make
Speaker 1: my top one hundred players, right, he just missed. He's
Speaker 1: more of a fourth early fourth round guy or um.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, I you like the size.
Speaker 1: He's six one and a half. He tested okay, uh
Speaker 1: the four four seven and the forty rum. He's alert
Speaker 1: je to tackling. That's true. The most corners are. But
Speaker 1: I need my guy to get get him on the ground. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, I hear you. He's very just he's ultra
Speaker 1: conservative as a run defender. I think when the ball's
Speaker 1: in the air and he can locate it, he can
Speaker 1: be a playmaker. He'll go and get the football, but
Speaker 1: he has to locate it first. Yeah, that's the problem.
Speaker 1: He lost the Michigan State game because he couldn't find
Speaker 1: the ball. Ye, Felton Davis, Yeah, felt they've got over
Speaker 1: the top of him. Yeah, and so to me, and
Speaker 1: Dan's right about him. I do think this guy's got
Speaker 1: some quick foot in this to him in reaction. The
Speaker 1: problem is, I don't think he plays a very good balance. No,
Speaker 1: he's not. Yeah, and it's just that, that's all. And
Speaker 1: if my corner doesn't play with balance, I'm i'm I'm
Speaker 1: I'm out. If he doesn't tackle, doesn't defend the ball,
Speaker 1: you know me, I always like these guys are able
Speaker 1: to defend inside routes, y'all aren't. Y'all aren't giving me
Speaker 1: a lot to work with here other than the size.
Speaker 1: My final my final line. His report checks two important
Speaker 1: boxes with his length and intelligence, but his average speed
Speaker 1: and inability to maintain his balance and coverage likely limits
Speaker 1: him to his own base scheme. Yeah, I loving it, guys.
Speaker 1: That means he's gonna be an All Pro next year
Speaker 1: for this team. Rookie of the Year. Yeah. Another guy
Speaker 1: that we mentioned in the last segment, we know, we
Speaker 1: know he's he said he was talking to Jerry Jones,
Speaker 1: which is interesting, which not surprising given where he went
Speaker 1: to school. Yeah, tell me more about Arkansas linebacker Dre Greenlaw.
Speaker 1: Dre Greenlaw undersized, He's under six foot. He was actually
Speaker 1: safety in high school. Yeah, right, and they recruited him
Speaker 1: as a safety at Arkansas. Uh. He's got a difficult background,
Speaker 1: like he was in and out of foster care, had
Speaker 1: a difficult upbringing. And then one of the assistant coaches
Speaker 1: the high school is kind of like the blindside narrative
Speaker 1: type thing, and so adopted him and um, you know,
Speaker 1: kind of helped change his life around. Football has been
Speaker 1: a big part of his life, and he played as
Speaker 1: a freshman. He's been a big part of the Arkansas
Speaker 1: defense the last four years. He's undersized, and you know,
Speaker 1: I questioned just how great his range is, but and
Speaker 1: there's sometimes where the height will work against them. Well,
Speaker 1: that's that's the division. That's the thing. But I think
Speaker 1: if you're looking for a guy who's going to help
Speaker 1: out on special teams, and I think because he's a
Speaker 1: former safety, you do see some of that in coverage,
Speaker 1: so you know as a sub package player, as a
Speaker 1: special teamer, you know he's not a bad pickup in
Speaker 1: the later No, you're absolutely right. And then and you
Speaker 1: do see the length give him problems because one of
Speaker 1: his best moves is to extend and then as he's
Speaker 1: going backwards is to spin to get to the ball,
Speaker 1: and then it's now he's And I'll tell you something
Speaker 1: though about Arkansas and this and maybe Dane found the
Speaker 1: same thing. They beat LSU every time we're good. No, yeah,
Speaker 1: I know the defensive line is not any good. And
Speaker 1: there were a lot of times where he had guys
Speaker 1: right on top of him having to fight blocks, and
Speaker 1: then he would manage to get off blood. He makes
Speaker 1: a ton of tackles seven and eight yards down the field, right,
Speaker 1: And I think a lot of it has to do
Speaker 1: with the fact that the guys in front of him
Speaker 1: are not very good, and then that affects the way
Speaker 1: that he plays. But he you know you mentioned that
Speaker 1: he's to hustle the effort. I mean there was one
Speaker 1: time Alabama Harris breaks through there and you know he's
Speaker 1: having to co he's having to fight a block and
Speaker 1: now he's got off the block and now he's running.
Speaker 1: He makes the tackle. Yeah it's twelve yards down the field,
Speaker 1: but he didn't give up on the play. Right, So Yeah,
Speaker 1: the link is going to be a problem for him
Speaker 1: for sure. If he gets drafted by this team, it
Speaker 1: would undoubtedly be as a special teamer slash even a
Speaker 1: game day inactive as a rookie. Yeah, Bobby a guy
Speaker 1: that they just love to have because he's he's fought
Speaker 1: through so much where I want I'll get to that.
Speaker 1: But where do you where would you project him in
Speaker 1: a in a defense? Like where would you play him
Speaker 1: with a linebacker? Right, he's got a run and the
Speaker 1: one thing he does he's got four seven three speed.
Speaker 1: I disagree with Dane on one thing. I saw a
Speaker 1: guy that had a little range to him, though he
Speaker 1: does when he's running. I mean, you're watching the Arkansas
Speaker 1: guys kind of run. He's running past those guys to
Speaker 1: get to the ball. No, let me, let me clarify.
Speaker 1: I like his range, But to your point about getting
Speaker 1: through the trash, Yeah, that's where I don't think he's
Speaker 1: very range because he gets hung up on blocks. But
Speaker 1: if yeah, if he's going in reverse or just be
Speaker 1: able to run, he does have range. Yeah, it would
Speaker 1: be easy to argue that linebacker is their lowest need
Speaker 1: on this team, and they bring in all these games.
Speaker 1: Well no, well that's the that's the point I'm gonna make.
Speaker 1: They've got Vanderesh, They've got Jalen Lee's here for at
Speaker 1: least one more year. Joe cons is here for at
Speaker 1: least one more year. You just drafted Chris Covington, justin
Speaker 1: marsh Lillard re upped you. You're set for twenty nineteen.
Speaker 1: But this team loves to draft linebackers. Ten out of
Speaker 1: the last year, it's been Blooms County stroke in this thing.
Speaker 1: Ten out of the last thirteen years they've drafted one.
Speaker 1: They've doubled up four times in the last decade. Ten
Speaker 1: out of the last thirteen years they've drafted a linebacker.
Speaker 1: And and they've doubled ready. They you know, they drafted
Speaker 1: I think it was Hitchens and Will Smith was in
Speaker 1: the same draft. Um last year, Covington and Layton Vanderesh
Speaker 1: like they love. They love those guys to be their
Speaker 1: hustle players, their special teams players, their versatile at doing
Speaker 1: a bunch of different jobs. I just and if they don't,
Speaker 1: if they don't spend a late round pick on a linebacker,
Speaker 1: they'll bring in some priority free agents. There's no doubt
Speaker 1: in my mind, absolutely all right. Last one Cortez Broughton.
Speaker 1: Broughton d tackle at a Cincinnati you like quartet and
Speaker 1: this is your guy brought us. I do like him
Speaker 1: a lot. I mean, I appreciate Dave bringing him up
Speaker 1: because I basically put him in a headlock to to
Speaker 1: did He was like, put this guy on your list,
Speaker 1: I want to talk about him. No, I do. I
Speaker 1: really like this guy a lot because I think there's
Speaker 1: some I think there's some traits about him that are
Speaker 1: you know, to me. I got him as as one
Speaker 1: of those under tackles, and again, this is a team
Speaker 1: that's hunting under tackles, and I'm I think this guy's
Speaker 1: got some elite collins to him. And I think when
Speaker 1: you watch him play, you know, I'm elite kind of
Speaker 1: shuffles like he like, you know, when he's when they're
Speaker 1: working around a twist. His feet never really get up.
Speaker 1: I mean his knees never, but it's like that quick
Speaker 1: feet kind of getting around and stuff like that. I
Speaker 1: think he's I think this guy's got some of that
Speaker 1: to him. And he's a little choppy with the chase
Speaker 1: the quarterback, but he's got initial quickness. He could close
Speaker 1: down in a hurry. When when when you see the
Speaker 1: hole open up and he's there at three, he could
Speaker 1: cross face and then close down. I think the guy
Speaker 1: plays with some power, I think, and he finishes with
Speaker 1: some violence. There's some times when you watch this guy tackle,
Speaker 1: they're like he's wrapping up and now he's slamming a
Speaker 1: guy down on the ground. So I saw a guy
Speaker 1: who plays outside the tackle box. That tells me he's
Speaker 1: got a little bit of range. But I think that,
Speaker 1: you know, I think there's times where he needs to
Speaker 1: hold the point of attack just a little bit better.
Speaker 1: I think he gets too anxious and trying to get
Speaker 1: off so quick that he kind of takes himself out
Speaker 1: of a play. But you know, overall, though I love
Speaker 1: I love him how active he is for an inside
Speaker 1: player and for a team that could use a three technique.
Speaker 1: And again he reminded me of MOLLIEK. Collins when he
Speaker 1: played in Nebraska. That's why I would I would look
Speaker 1: at this guy. He's kind of the later on version
Speaker 1: of or the day three version of like a Dreamond Jones.
Speaker 1: Sure like he'll worries against the run, but he'll make
Speaker 1: plays in the backfield. Broughton has seventeen and a half
Speaker 1: tackles for loss last year, so productive teen and a half. Yeah,
Speaker 1: forty starts over his careers like that. Yeah, there's play
Speaker 1: to like about it. What grade you give him? Brought us?
Speaker 1: I put him in the fourth round, Okay, Yeah, I
Speaker 1: have a fifth on him, so yeah, see to me.
Speaker 1: And I had a third round grade on MALIEK. Collins
Speaker 1: coming out, and so I was thinking, Okay, is he
Speaker 1: as good? Is he similar? But he just there's certain
Speaker 1: times when they're players. And again, Dane's this magazine that
Speaker 1: we did. He'll give you comparisons of guys, you know,
Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden it kind of clicks
Speaker 1: in your head. Yeah, he's right, And I just think
Speaker 1: of if Malie Collins wasn't hurt all the time. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we've been talking about a different player in Malie Collins,
Speaker 1: but this this kid reminded me of that disruptive up
Speaker 1: the field quickness. Kind of gets outside, but I'm back
Speaker 1: inside now, chasing the football, getting up, working the twist stunts.
Speaker 1: I think that the Cowboys probably won't take this guy,
Speaker 1: but when he does get selected, I'm gonna I'm gonna
Speaker 1: give a really a glowing scouting report. I'm gonna stop
Speaker 1: down the show and give this guy a glowing scouting report.
Speaker 1: Here's all the reasons this guy is great. Cowboys won't
Speaker 1: draft no, come on, no, no, no, no. I would
Speaker 1: like to think I would like to No, no, I
Speaker 1: would like to think they would. I'm excited about these
Speaker 1: fourth round picks. Sure I am too. You know they're
Speaker 1: right where we give up three. You want me to
Speaker 1: give up ninety to go up and I'm like, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna say pick Dan, and I don't want you to
Speaker 1: do anything. Dan and I like to hold our picks.
Speaker 1: You are the one that wants to always get rid
Speaker 1: of it. So when you suddenly change your tune, that's
Speaker 1: when it's fishy. I don't flip flop very much. You
Speaker 1: just did today on that. No, we just haven't about
Speaker 1: we just haven't found the right player that's you know,
Speaker 1: That's That's what I'm saying, though, is the right player
Speaker 1: that's safety? Okay, let me ask you this, damn it,
Speaker 1: I would about the same thing. No, is the right
Speaker 1: player of the safety is is of of the of
Speaker 1: the potential sliders, of the potential sliders. If Rap is
Speaker 1: one of the sliders. Polite, when you say slider, you
Speaker 1: mean get to you, get near you you or get
Speaker 1: near you, get near you at fifty fifty forty okay,
Speaker 1: forty eight, forty nine fifty, I'm talking about it. I'm
Speaker 1: talking about an eight spot jump that's gonna cost me
Speaker 1: a four. Maybe I would trade a fourth to get
Speaker 1: Taylor Rap. Well yeah, yeah, that but that's our whole
Speaker 1: point is like I think you're you're whistling Dixie like
Speaker 1: you're crazy. I don't think that's gonna happen, right, I'm
Speaker 1: more trying to consider if I would trade a third,
Speaker 1: which I would consider. Okay, So we're thinking now, within
Speaker 1: the last couple of minutes here of the show, we're
Speaker 1: thinking about him as a trade up guy. We're definitely
Speaker 1: thinking about him as a trade up I don't I
Speaker 1: don't know I don't think so are we what Taylor Rat? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I mean, what's the trade that I don't want to
Speaker 1: give up ninety? I would consider giving up ninety to
Speaker 1: go get a Rap? Okay, Okay, I like it, I'm not.
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't know if for sure I'd do it.
Speaker 1: But I think you have to wait to see how
Speaker 1: the draft plays out and see how it's looking and
Speaker 1: how comfortable you are with who's going to be there
Speaker 1: at fifty eight ninety and compared that against it's I mean,
Speaker 1: it's that we do this every year, like Juan Thornhill
Speaker 1: and Mcole Hardman or Taylor Rap, you know, or it's
Speaker 1: tougher this year when we're talking about eight ninety and
Speaker 1: not you know, seventeen in right, sure whatever, you know,
Speaker 1: it's fifty. I mean, uh, Zack Martin and DeMarcus Lawrence
Speaker 1: or Zack Martin, Trent Edwards and Trey Turner. You know.
Speaker 1: It's yeah, that was I think that was the guy
Speaker 1: that Stanford. Yeah, that was the guy that got drafted
Speaker 1: at forty seven. I don't think the Cowboys would have
Speaker 1: taken him. I just used his name name I haven't
Speaker 1: heard in a long time. Uh, yeah. I remember. One
Speaker 1: of the coolest things we did last year's draft show
Speaker 1: was you came up with those scenarios those three players. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we shouldn't do that again. Get ready for next week. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I will just get ready, get ready, get ready. That
Speaker 1: was really interesting with you know if Vander esh or
Speaker 1: Harold Landry. Yeah, that that was really interesting. Made you think, Oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna make you think it's close. We're getting close
Speaker 1: to this thing. Three weeks from today. We're thinking it's
Speaker 1: sneaking up. Oh no, it's not sneaking up. It's right here. Seriously,
Speaker 1: We're gonna, like I said, yeah, we're gonna do our
Speaker 1: seven round. We're gonna go to double shows the week
Speaker 1: of the draft. We'll probably do a Tuesday show. We'll
Speaker 1: do our seven round cowboy mock draft. Some live shows too, Yeah,
Speaker 1: we got some live shows hopefully. Yeah, our marketing people
Speaker 1: would do that. That would be nice. But anyway, let
Speaker 1: them know, let them know. But that's it. That's all
Speaker 1: the time we have for today. Though. I want to
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