WEBVTT - Draft Show: 30 Visits; Looking For A Running Back? 0:00:03.720 --> 0:00:07.840 Is the Dallas Cowboys dot Com Draft Show. Cowboys are 0:00:07.920 --> 0:00:11.560 war room for incenter news and draft analysis from deep 0:00:11.600 --> 0:00:15.360 within the confines of Cowboys Headquarters at the Star in Fresco, 0:00:15.600 --> 0:00:21.440 Dallas Cowboys Select lad and now your hosts, Dane Brugler, 0:00:21.800 --> 0:00:25.480 David Hellman, and Brian brought us. Well, it's twenty one 0:00:25.640 --> 0:00:30.800 days until the two thousand and nineteen NFL Draft and 0:00:30.880 --> 0:00:32.519 you have the Draft Show here trying to get you 0:00:32.560 --> 0:00:35.440 once again ready for that. It's Brian brought us, Dane Brugler, 0:00:35.520 --> 0:00:41.400 David Hellman, Kit Garrison, Executive Producing. Gentlemen, we're feeling any 0:00:41.440 --> 0:00:43.320 better about this? I know, Dane, last week you were 0:00:43.320 --> 0:00:46.400 a little you know, proceeded closer, any closer feeling better 0:00:46.440 --> 0:00:50.519 about things. There's just there's always another player. There's another players, 0:00:50.520 --> 0:00:52.760 another player to look at about another thirty day visit 0:00:52.800 --> 0:00:54.760 guy you didn't think about huh yeah, well, An they 0:00:54.760 --> 0:00:57.800 got to figure out, you know, to do one more 0:00:57.840 --> 0:01:00.680 extra game. You know, let's see a little bit more tape. 0:01:01.000 --> 0:01:04.800 Just you never want to feel like you're it's incomplete. 0:01:04.880 --> 0:01:07.560 You know, when you look at these players, it's as 0:01:07.560 --> 0:01:10.800 an evaluator. Your job is to be an artist and 0:01:10.880 --> 0:01:13.720 paint a picture of what that player is and you 0:01:13.760 --> 0:01:16.400 want to make sure you have everything that you need 0:01:16.440 --> 0:01:19.720 to paint the most accurate picture you can. So we're 0:01:19.760 --> 0:01:22.360 still learning about some of these guys, I mean, most 0:01:22.400 --> 0:01:24.040 of the Hayes in the bar at this point, but 0:01:24.800 --> 0:01:27.560 you know, to kind of spin it towards what NFL 0:01:27.600 --> 0:01:31.360 teams are doing. Now is the time to really stack 0:01:31.400 --> 0:01:34.400 the board, finalize it and have some of those brawls 0:01:34.440 --> 0:01:37.600 about Okay, you know, who are we really looking at? 0:01:37.800 --> 0:01:39.959 You know, some of these wide receivers where they're tags 0:01:39.959 --> 0:01:42.039 are touching, who's going to get the edge some other 0:01:42.080 --> 0:01:44.160 positions as well. So it's going to be important next 0:01:44.200 --> 0:01:47.600 three weeks. I saw him makes me think of something 0:01:47.640 --> 0:01:50.800 I saw on Twitter this week. John Harbaugh, the Ravens coach, 0:01:50.920 --> 0:01:54.440 said he'd love to see the draft moved up. So 0:01:54.720 --> 0:01:57.280 with everything you just said about how you know you 0:01:57.320 --> 0:01:59.760 never feel like it's complete, how would you feel about that? 0:02:00.840 --> 0:02:03.360 From my standpoint, it's you know, I'm a one person 0:02:03.480 --> 0:02:06.600 scouting department, so it's you know, a little different from me. 0:02:06.760 --> 0:02:09.720 But for uh, I've heard that He's not the first 0:02:09.720 --> 0:02:12.120 to say that, and there's some there's some in the 0:02:12.200 --> 0:02:17.239 NFL who champion for the draft before free agency and 0:02:17.600 --> 0:02:19.480 you know right after the season. That's when you get 0:02:19.520 --> 0:02:21.359 into some of these all star games in the Combine 0:02:21.400 --> 0:02:23.440 and the draft like just boom, boom, boom, get it 0:02:23.440 --> 0:02:25.920 done with, you know, I mean scouts there on the 0:02:25.960 --> 0:02:28.000 road all year. So it would move up a lot 0:02:28.040 --> 0:02:30.760 of things logistically in terms of when you you know, 0:02:30.800 --> 0:02:33.480 build a board. And I don't know, I'm a creature habit. 0:02:33.560 --> 0:02:37.200 I like having this time to you know, take everything 0:02:37.280 --> 0:02:40.000 in and you know, debate with yourself and with others. 0:02:40.080 --> 0:02:42.480 But I don't know, You're what do you think about that? Yeah? 0:02:42.520 --> 0:02:45.320 I think that to me, I've I've kind of I 0:02:45.400 --> 0:02:49.079 understand where coaches coming from there because I I would 0:02:49.160 --> 0:02:52.000 like to see the draft move up myself. I really would. 0:02:52.040 --> 0:02:53.600 I would like to. I would feel like that the 0:02:53.720 --> 0:02:56.799 teams would be actually better prepared. You know, you got 0:02:56.800 --> 0:02:58.400 these pro days and so I used to think that 0:02:58.440 --> 0:03:00.880 if they if, but you're getting some kids running at 0:03:00.880 --> 0:03:05.120 the combine now that and you're getting workouts that the 0:03:04.720 --> 0:03:06.639 pro the protates used to be the only ways you 0:03:06.680 --> 0:03:09.480 were going to get times because these kids wouldn't run 0:03:09.480 --> 0:03:12.240 at the combine. Yeah, they feel almost obsolete. Yeah, and 0:03:12.320 --> 0:03:14.080 now and now all of a sudden for a few 0:03:14.360 --> 0:03:18.480 special circum rights right now. The reason and it's interesting 0:03:18.520 --> 0:03:20.880 that the coach would bring that up to move the 0:03:20.960 --> 0:03:25.160 draft up because from the scouting perspective, the scouts would 0:03:25.160 --> 0:03:28.480 probably love that because it would mean the coaches couldn't 0:03:28.520 --> 0:03:32.399 catch up to what's going on in the draft. Keep 0:03:32.440 --> 0:03:34.640 the coaches from getting there. Well, that's what I'm saying 0:03:35.000 --> 0:03:37.600 on the draft. Yeah, there's some coaches that are really, 0:03:37.640 --> 0:03:40.760 really good evaluators. This head coach there is an excellent evaluator, 0:03:41.280 --> 0:03:43.320 you know, I mean he really is. If you look 0:03:43.320 --> 0:03:45.600 at the way this football team has been built, he 0:03:45.680 --> 0:03:48.240 is an excellent evaluator. But there's a lot of these 0:03:48.280 --> 0:03:51.440 coaches now that don't have the opportunity. You know, they're 0:03:51.480 --> 0:03:55.000 they're thinking, oh, okay, well now we're starting to watch tape. 0:03:55.000 --> 0:03:56.800 Now we're having this, now we're having that. They haven't 0:03:56.840 --> 0:03:59.760 really caught up. Yeah, you know, the coaches would coaches 0:03:59.800 --> 0:04:03.640 need more time the scouts don't. Scouts have seen like Danes, 0:04:03.960 --> 0:04:06.320 scouts have seen all this. And we always joke like 0:04:06.400 --> 0:04:08.920 every year, you know, as it gets later in the 0:04:09.000 --> 0:04:12.800 draft process, like narratives start changing, when the coaches get involved, 0:04:13.320 --> 0:04:15.560 just get involved. A lot of times will mess up 0:04:15.560 --> 0:04:18.440 a draft a guy because we don't call third down defenses. 0:04:18.560 --> 0:04:20.599 Yeah I know, I don't. Yeah, you know, I never. 0:04:20.680 --> 0:04:22.760 I never went down on the field and said, hey, 0:04:23.800 --> 0:04:26.360 we need to Brett needs to throw a sprint rite 0:04:26.360 --> 0:04:29.560 option here. I never did that, and I'm intrigued by 0:04:29.600 --> 0:04:33.360 the possibility it'll never happen because I mean, the league 0:04:33.520 --> 0:04:36.200 is going to monopolize every way it can and having 0:04:36.240 --> 0:04:40.360 the draft, and basically it's okay, yeah, that's stretching out. 0:04:40.360 --> 0:04:42.760 It's an interesting thought though. Stretching out the calendar really 0:04:42.800 --> 0:04:45.800 helps keep the NFL and the discussion. So yeah, there's 0:04:45.880 --> 0:04:48.320 sure it's not going to change, but it would be 0:04:48.360 --> 0:04:50.520 interesting too. You know, a lot of teams will build 0:04:50.520 --> 0:04:53.760 their board before the combine. Yeah. Uh, and that way 0:04:54.000 --> 0:04:55.880 they have some you know, at least a base going 0:04:55.880 --> 0:04:59.080 into the combine. But it is interesting when some teams 0:04:59.120 --> 0:05:01.719 still they'll take a picture of that board before the combine. 0:05:01.800 --> 0:05:03.960 We did every year, Yeah, and then we did every 0:05:04.040 --> 0:05:07.320 year after. Yeah, you take a before and after picture, 0:05:07.320 --> 0:05:10.159 and then after the draft, three years down the road, 0:05:10.240 --> 0:05:13.520 you go back and look and say, okay, did we 0:05:13.560 --> 0:05:16.800 were we more correct, more accurate pre combine and then 0:05:16.839 --> 0:05:20.760 did we allow the testing to uh skew or thinking 0:05:20.839 --> 0:05:22.479 what you know, what we saw on the field and 0:05:22.480 --> 0:05:25.040 then or did it help in both ways. I got 0:05:25.080 --> 0:05:28.560 a discussion with Gil Brandt this morning about this about 0:05:28.600 --> 0:05:32.680 about boards and stef Kiss. He was, Gil was went 0:05:32.720 --> 0:05:34.840 through our Star magazine, which is out. I'm going to 0:05:34.880 --> 0:05:36.400 give you all the details to the next break and 0:05:36.480 --> 0:05:39.000 how you pick that up. But Gil went through and 0:05:39.040 --> 0:05:42.120 he was he was not as high on Elisha Holyfield 0:05:42.120 --> 0:05:44.680 as I was. And I kind of shamed him in 0:05:44.720 --> 0:05:49.000 a way of saying, of somebody that evaluates tape, it 0:05:49.040 --> 0:05:52.560 was as important to you as evaluation you know of that. 0:05:53.320 --> 0:05:56.640 How would you not evaluate holy Field and say that, 0:05:56.720 --> 0:05:58.680 you know he doesn't have the type of traits you're 0:05:58.720 --> 0:06:01.240 looking for, and back he goes, well, just doesn't run 0:06:01.279 --> 0:06:03.360 well enough. I say, Gilly, you look at the tape. 0:06:03.839 --> 0:06:05.719 You know, you look at the tape. And also he 0:06:05.800 --> 0:06:09.599 was very critical of rap the Washington Safety Yeah, you know, 0:06:09.640 --> 0:06:12.080 And I'm like, I S four seven four and we're 0:06:12.080 --> 0:06:13.800 gonna get into that. That's something I want to do 0:06:13.880 --> 0:06:15.880 here in the next at least the opening segment and 0:06:15.920 --> 0:06:17.599 I know we kind of yeah, kind of sorry I 0:06:17.600 --> 0:06:19.960 took that. No, No, it's quite all right, quite all right, 0:06:20.000 --> 0:06:21.880 But I want to get into what's gonna be What 0:06:21.920 --> 0:06:24.400 are they gonna be the discussions in these war rooms? Now, 0:06:24.520 --> 0:06:28.000 what is going is our scouts gonna be you know, 0:06:28.120 --> 0:06:30.000 day and day? Are they going to be affected by 0:06:30.040 --> 0:06:32.680 the way these guys ran? Are they gonna be affected 0:06:32.720 --> 0:06:35.840 that Thompson from Alabama, the safety who we all thought 0:06:35.920 --> 0:06:38.919 was the best one coming into this process, has not 0:06:39.080 --> 0:06:41.640 run a forty yard dash? You know, are we are 0:06:41.640 --> 0:06:44.320 we gonna get affected by Raps time? And are we 0:06:44.360 --> 0:06:46.400 going to get affected by holy Field's time? Are we 0:06:46.400 --> 0:06:48.960 gonna get affected? Uh? You know by the time of 0:06:49.080 --> 0:06:52.400 Jacobs from Alabama? You know, what are scouts gonna be 0:06:52.440 --> 0:06:54.839 fighting for and what are they going to be fighting against? 0:06:55.360 --> 0:06:58.160 You know, are there gonna be people in that room 0:06:58.240 --> 0:07:01.440 that's going to say you cannot take it? For example, 0:07:01.720 --> 0:07:06.680 Juwan H. Williams the corner from Vanderbilt. You know, there's 0:07:06.680 --> 0:07:08.599 gonna be people that are gonna love him in this 0:07:08.760 --> 0:07:12.720 draft room, and there's gonna be people that absolutely absolutely 0:07:13.240 --> 0:07:16.080 don't because of what you said. He doesn't run well enough. 0:07:16.080 --> 0:07:19.400 He doesn't run well enough or the time's not so 0:07:19.440 --> 0:07:21.680 I want to get into that. Your your thought is 0:07:21.720 --> 0:07:24.520 there is there a group of player to all these 0:07:24.560 --> 0:07:26.680 wide receivers. You mentioned that, How are you going to 0:07:26.800 --> 0:07:30.920 stack that? Right? How do you stack all these defensive ends? 0:07:30.960 --> 0:07:34.720 How do you stack the safeties? With all the information 0:07:34.800 --> 0:07:37.080 that's coming in? Where the where do you think the 0:07:37.160 --> 0:07:40.760 biggest fights are gonna be in draft rooms around the 0:07:40.840 --> 0:07:42.960 around the around the country. I think it's gonna be 0:07:43.040 --> 0:07:46.200 these receivers, because you know, we've said it since the start, 0:07:46.320 --> 0:07:48.200 there's we don't have a receiver in this draft that's 0:07:48.200 --> 0:07:51.560 a lock top twenty pick. But after that, between picks 0:07:51.600 --> 0:07:54.600 twenty and you know, one hundred, it's gonna be loaded. 0:07:54.760 --> 0:07:57.880 And so it's just a matter of you know, who 0:07:57.920 --> 0:08:00.800 do we prefer? And even okay, look at this team 0:08:00.840 --> 0:08:04.320 with the Cowboys. They brought in Emmanuel Hall, Yeah, they 0:08:04.320 --> 0:08:08.280 brought in McCole, Hardman, they brought in Deebo Samuel. These 0:08:08.280 --> 0:08:11.800 are all three potential top one hundred picks. And you know, 0:08:12.360 --> 0:08:14.320 more teams are going to have more wide receivers on 0:08:14.360 --> 0:08:16.560 the board. And then the stack those wide receivers, what 0:08:16.640 --> 0:08:19.120 do you prefer? You know, it's going to be an 0:08:19.080 --> 0:08:21.800 initiating conversation with with Deebo. He's not the burner and 0:08:21.800 --> 0:08:23.440 that those other two guys are, but he's a more 0:08:23.480 --> 0:08:26.200 polished receiver and so what do you what do you value? 0:08:26.280 --> 0:08:30.120 And so it's these wide receiver conversations are gonna be 0:08:30.120 --> 0:08:32.080 fascinating with when you throw in some of the bigger 0:08:32.120 --> 0:08:35.880 guys like you're Keim Butler, you're Nikil Harry, Kelvin Harman's 0:08:36.280 --> 0:08:38.520 how do you separate the bigger guys from and Andy 0:08:38.559 --> 0:08:42.320 Isabella from mcole, Hardman, um, you know, some of the 0:08:42.360 --> 0:08:45.640 smaller guys. So the wide receivers are going to be fascinating. 0:08:45.640 --> 0:08:48.400 The stack and then the debate about where they should 0:08:48.400 --> 0:08:50.960 be stacked? Do you do you feel like, what do 0:08:51.000 --> 0:08:52.800 you make of what the cowboys have done? Then at 0:08:52.800 --> 0:08:57.240 wide receiver they added Cobb. I actually yeah, and now 0:08:57.280 --> 0:09:00.200 and they have a group of receivers they you know, 0:09:00.240 --> 0:09:03.360 they did it by committee last year, but they but 0:09:03.440 --> 0:09:06.160 they're still the committee's there. With the addition of Cobb. 0:09:06.200 --> 0:09:08.240 We saw what they were able to do with a 0:09:08.360 --> 0:09:12.400 Marie Cooper wrote, I wrote this this week. It's pinned 0:09:12.440 --> 0:09:14.800 on my Twitter profile and just did a little basic 0:09:14.920 --> 0:09:18.880 like draft primer. For everything you just said, Amari Cooper 0:09:18.880 --> 0:09:20.600 and Michael Gallop are the only guys here with long 0:09:20.679 --> 0:09:24.400 term futures. It might be fun to draft a young 0:09:24.440 --> 0:09:26.400 guy on a four year deal, and that gives your 0:09:26.400 --> 0:09:29.840 receiver corps a long term direction because then you've got 0:09:30.320 --> 0:09:33.559 Gallop for three more years, new guy for four more years, 0:09:33.679 --> 0:09:36.640 and you know, whatever Cooper winds up signing, it'll be long. 0:09:36.760 --> 0:09:39.319 You know it'll be four or five six years. On 0:09:39.360 --> 0:09:43.240 the other side of that, you have Randall Cobb, Tavon Austin, 0:09:43.280 --> 0:09:45.839 and Alan Hearns who are all here. And then that 0:09:45.920 --> 0:09:49.600 doesn't even include Cedric Wilson, Noah Brown, Lance Lenore, and 0:09:49.640 --> 0:09:52.160 I'll even throw in Devin Smith because who knows, maybe 0:09:52.200 --> 0:09:57.240 he can get right. So you obviously don't need a receiver. 0:09:57.840 --> 0:09:59.680 But that's what I've been saying from the very beginning 0:09:59.800 --> 0:10:03.120 is if you invest in a good one, first of all, 0:10:03.240 --> 0:10:05.600 it's going to help your quarterback out. I think it's 0:10:05.600 --> 0:10:07.800 a great bang for your buck pick either at fifty 0:10:07.840 --> 0:10:10.200 eight or at ninety based on what Dane is just 0:10:10.400 --> 0:10:13.079 now saying about, how do you even stack these wide receivers. 0:10:13.760 --> 0:10:16.360 It's the classic like best player available, Like no, no, 0:10:16.440 --> 0:10:18.600 they don't need one, but I really think they could 0:10:18.640 --> 0:10:21.240 take this receiver corps to another level by drafting a 0:10:21.240 --> 0:10:23.120 good one. What do you make them bringing in Damien 0:10:23.200 --> 0:10:27.480 Harris running back from Alabama's interesting is the most surprising. 0:10:27.520 --> 0:10:29.760 And you know, we don't have to go down the 0:10:29.760 --> 0:10:32.400 whole list of thirty you can find you could find 0:10:32.400 --> 0:10:35.040 it out, but we'll talk about it. And that's you know, 0:10:35.280 --> 0:10:37.640 kind of I wanted to get into. You know, I 0:10:37.679 --> 0:10:40.000 wrote a story about it that we we published it 0:10:40.040 --> 0:10:41.920 two weeks ago, but we ran it back this week. 0:10:42.040 --> 0:10:45.440 Is you can get an idea of what they're thinking 0:10:45.520 --> 0:10:47.880 for all of these positions based on who they're inviting, 0:10:47.880 --> 0:10:48.959 because I mean, at the end of the day, we 0:10:49.000 --> 0:10:51.320 don't know one hundred percent where these guys are going 0:10:51.360 --> 0:10:53.760 to be drafted, but you have an idea, right So 0:10:53.880 --> 0:10:56.240 the receivers you're talking about, guys that you probably got 0:10:56.240 --> 0:11:00.439 to take in the second, third, maybe fourth round. Some 0:11:00.480 --> 0:11:02.520 of the you know, there's there's some linebackers that are 0:11:02.520 --> 0:11:04.960 clearly like day three picks. Obviously they don't want to 0:11:05.000 --> 0:11:07.600 invest a big pick on that. You talking you know, 0:11:07.720 --> 0:11:10.920 round six seven, maybe undrafted free agent and that's what's 0:11:10.920 --> 0:11:14.880 so curious about Damian Harris is you're not getting him 0:11:14.880 --> 0:11:19.240 anywhere but fifty eight? Are you if maybe he's if 0:11:19.240 --> 0:11:21.560 he would get to ninety? Maybe that's why you're doing 0:11:21.559 --> 0:11:24.160 your Are you saying that? What are you saying he 0:11:24.200 --> 0:11:26.760 can get to ninety? I think it's possible. Sure, running 0:11:26.800 --> 0:11:28.600 backs are so tough. It's just because of what you 0:11:28.640 --> 0:11:31.400 saw last year with the r LSU kid and you 0:11:31.400 --> 0:11:35.160 even brought that guys dropping all the way down. We 0:11:35.160 --> 0:11:38.240 are we are we overrating Harrison? Maybe we are? But 0:11:38.320 --> 0:11:40.360 even are we? I mean I got a second round 0:11:40.360 --> 0:11:42.319 grade on the game, so why needs a second back? 0:11:42.360 --> 0:11:44.559 I have a first round Grand Jacobs, second round grade 0:11:44.600 --> 0:11:47.840 on um to Harris, and then a bunch of third 0:11:47.920 --> 0:11:51.000 round grades. Yeah, so you know, I think he's worth it. 0:11:51.040 --> 0:11:53.520 But I don't know. If this team took a running 0:11:53.559 --> 0:11:56.679 back of fifty kill, yeah, it would be so. It 0:11:56.720 --> 0:11:58.640 would be bad. It would It would be a shock too. 0:11:58.920 --> 0:12:01.160 It would be a total sub wouldn't It would be 0:12:01.480 --> 0:12:04.320 mildly shocking if they took one at ninety? In my opinion, 0:12:04.360 --> 0:12:07.120 I agree absolutely so that that does, you know, to 0:12:07.200 --> 0:12:09.400 your point make it really interesting? They brought in Harris. 0:12:11.080 --> 0:12:13.559 You know, I don't know. Could you see him taking 0:12:13.559 --> 0:12:17.640 a running back at ninety? Yeah, Well, if if Damian 0:12:17.720 --> 0:12:19.480 Harris were to fall to ninety, I think that's a 0:12:19.520 --> 0:12:22.840 different conversation. Yeah, like that's different. Let me tell you this. 0:12:23.120 --> 0:12:26.000 If Taylor Rap falls to fifty eighth to safety, I'm 0:12:26.040 --> 0:12:28.760 all in for that, sure, But that's so much I'm 0:12:28.800 --> 0:12:33.960 just saying. I'm saying though, but I'm talking about guys 0:12:33.960 --> 0:12:37.560 that potentially could fall. I don't see Harris or Rap falling. 0:12:37.600 --> 0:12:40.720 I guess that's my point. Yeah, but I would you know, 0:12:40.760 --> 0:12:44.120 and do you do you look at Harrison say they 0:12:44.120 --> 0:12:46.080 could very well have a second round grade on him, 0:12:46.120 --> 0:12:48.240 and he very well could be better than anybody that's 0:12:48.360 --> 0:12:51.280 left in the second round. So what real question? So, 0:12:51.360 --> 0:12:53.760 like I said, I want to read the whole quick, 0:12:53.800 --> 0:12:56.400 real quick, real quick. How many seconds? How many projects 0:12:56.520 --> 0:13:00.600 those guys we projected at fifty eight last week? How 0:13:00.600 --> 0:13:04.040 many of those guys you think are better that Damian 0:13:04.080 --> 0:13:06.600 Harris is better than the guys that we projected at 0:13:06.800 --> 0:13:09.960 at at fifty eight? Um, I mean, if you go 0:13:10.080 --> 0:13:13.520 through we think the two safety is better than the 0:13:13.559 --> 0:13:18.079 two safeties. If Abram if Abram was there or he 0:13:18.160 --> 0:13:20.719 raps like he might be better. And I know, like 0:13:20.800 --> 0:13:23.040 you know, there are people that are down on Abram 0:13:23.080 --> 0:13:26.000 because he doesn't cover as well as other safeties. And 0:13:26.559 --> 0:13:28.959 you know, you never want a window dress your board. 0:13:28.960 --> 0:13:32.760 But never, man, it sounds crazy to go away from 0:13:32.840 --> 0:13:35.559 a good player at a position you need to draft 0:13:35.600 --> 0:13:37.360 a backup for an all pro I'm looking at my 0:13:37.400 --> 0:13:41.720 top one hundred board, and Harris is my fifty second player, 0:13:41.880 --> 0:13:45.560 my last ranked second round grade, and Abraham is thirty seven, 0:13:45.559 --> 0:13:48.920 my highest grade, highest second round grade. Um, but I 0:13:48.920 --> 0:13:54.040 think everyone else we talked about like debos behind Damien Harris, um, 0:13:54.160 --> 0:13:56.600 who else we talk about? Call your Thorne Hill. Yeah, 0:13:56.720 --> 0:13:59.000 call your thorn Hill. So we talked about it, but 0:13:59.160 --> 0:14:01.480 about those defensive tackle No, I think there's a very 0:14:01.480 --> 0:14:05.080 realistic possibility he is the best player that it could 0:14:05.120 --> 0:14:06.599 be there at fifty eight. But that doesn't mean you 0:14:06.600 --> 0:14:09.520 should take him. What did you say, window dressing or not? 0:14:09.600 --> 0:14:12.120 But no, no, no, I'm just I'm just I'm just again. 0:14:12.160 --> 0:14:17.080 We're here today, brought this guy in for reason. Let's 0:14:17.080 --> 0:14:19.640 try and figure out what that reason is. I would 0:14:19.680 --> 0:14:22.760 assume doing your due diligence, and yeah, maybe they like 0:14:22.960 --> 0:14:24.600 him better than a lot of their other options. I 0:14:24.640 --> 0:14:26.920 think I think we'd have to take well, you you 0:14:27.040 --> 0:14:29.120 think there might be a possibility that he could be 0:14:30.000 --> 0:14:32.080 you're just saying that he for sure we'll be there 0:14:32.080 --> 0:14:35.200 at fifty eight, not for sure, but probably Yeah, and 0:14:35.240 --> 0:14:38.200 then but if you would get to ninety, then okay, 0:14:38.600 --> 0:14:40.320 maybe that's why you kill him. You kill you're killing 0:14:40.360 --> 0:14:42.720 him for taking him at ninety. Now, I won't kill 0:14:42.800 --> 0:14:44.680 him for taking him at ninety. I don't think i'd 0:14:44.680 --> 0:14:46.320 have a choice but to kill him for taking him 0:14:46.320 --> 0:14:50.120 at fifty eight. Which what did you say to me 0:14:50.120 --> 0:14:53.320 on the break last week? Like Ezekiel Elliott is a 0:14:53.640 --> 0:14:56.240 humongous part of the reason for all of their success 0:14:56.240 --> 0:15:00.480 these last three years. Absolutely, and he's that good that 0:15:00.520 --> 0:15:02.440 you have to spend a top sixty pick on a 0:15:02.480 --> 0:15:06.120 backup for him, And also keeping in mind would happen 0:15:06.160 --> 0:15:08.440 to him last year? Yeah, he got worn down, Ye 0:15:08.560 --> 0:15:11.280 get bad, So he's It kind of goes back to 0:15:11.320 --> 0:15:14.160 the argument of like, there's no way contract looming too, 0:15:14.160 --> 0:15:17.760 don't there's no effing way that you need to like, 0:15:18.040 --> 0:15:22.200 uh wow, I totally brain farted. There, there's no way 0:15:22.200 --> 0:15:24.360 you need to allocate all these resources to have a 0:15:24.560 --> 0:15:27.200 stud at every offensive line position, Right, isn't that what 0:15:27.240 --> 0:15:29.000 people say, Like you don't need a first round pick 0:15:29.040 --> 0:15:31.520 at every position position to be good if you need 0:15:31.560 --> 0:15:34.440 a top sixty running back to back up one of 0:15:34.480 --> 0:15:36.800 the three best in the league, like that just seems 0:15:37.120 --> 0:15:41.520 wildly inaccurate to me. Right, this team should absolutely draft 0:15:41.520 --> 0:15:43.680 a running back. It just doesn't have to be with 0:15:43.760 --> 0:15:46.920 the top one hundred pick. Yeah, I mean, go look 0:15:46.920 --> 0:15:49.320 at who Look at Philip Lindsay from last year. You 0:15:49.360 --> 0:15:51.480 know this is fascinating. You mean that they brought him 0:15:51.480 --> 0:15:54.840 in though, it's when you got trying to figure it 0:15:54.880 --> 0:15:57.080 out when you go down the list of visitors, he 0:15:57.280 --> 0:15:59.440 jumps off the page at you. Like, guys, you're telling 0:15:59.480 --> 0:16:02.600 me how poor these thirty visits they are. And I'm 0:16:02.680 --> 0:16:04.520 just trying to figure all this out. I don't I 0:16:04.640 --> 0:16:05.960 get have to come up with an answer. I'll tell 0:16:06.000 --> 0:16:09.520 you right now, because because it would if you would 0:16:09.520 --> 0:16:12.280 follow to ninety, like that would be tremendous value. Just 0:16:12.440 --> 0:16:15.200 it doesn't mean it's the right pick depending on who 0:16:15.200 --> 0:16:18.239 else is there. But I think in the right scenario, 0:16:18.480 --> 0:16:21.080 if he would follow to ninety, then it would make sense. 0:16:21.800 --> 0:16:23.360 Depending on who else is there at night? So at 0:16:23.440 --> 0:16:27.600 ninety he makes sense and at fifty eight you're scratching 0:16:27.640 --> 0:16:30.880 your head. Yes, maybe he makes sense at night. It 0:16:30.880 --> 0:16:32.600 just depends who's there. Why do you want him at 0:16:32.720 --> 0:16:36.040 ninety because it's a lesser value pick, and you're telling 0:16:36.120 --> 0:16:38.120 me that he's I mean, you're getting him a full 0:16:38.280 --> 0:16:41.000 round after you said he'd be gone. I still don't 0:16:41.000 --> 0:16:42.360 love it, Don't get me wrong. What are you trying 0:16:42.360 --> 0:16:44.520 to get it fifty eighth? Then tell me what your 0:16:44.560 --> 0:16:46.680 your idea is to get it fifty eighth? Then a 0:16:46.720 --> 0:16:50.440 potential impact player on defense, maybe not impact player, but 0:16:50.600 --> 0:16:52.720 someone that's going to at least be a building block 0:16:52.760 --> 0:16:56.640 to your defense, whether that's a safety, defensive lineman, whoever. 0:16:56.720 --> 0:17:01.840 Gerald Willis. Actually, well, there we go a second round player, 0:17:01.840 --> 0:17:04.719 don't there we go? Don't don't we got? We got 0:17:04.840 --> 0:17:07.359 gerald Willis talk coming up in the second segments. No, 0:17:07.480 --> 0:17:10.000 I understand. I'm just trying to you know you think 0:17:10.080 --> 0:17:14.800 he's a second round player? No, okay, absolutely not. They might. 0:17:15.200 --> 0:17:18.240 I totally hope not. I want and I'll even take 0:17:18.280 --> 0:17:20.879 a step further. I want to And you're you're about to, 0:17:21.200 --> 0:17:23.919 You're about to come at me for this, But I 0:17:24.040 --> 0:17:29.200 want the guy. I want the best player available need 0:17:29.280 --> 0:17:31.240 who will make no who will will who will make 0:17:31.240 --> 0:17:34.600 an impact for this team? And like, even if it's 0:17:34.600 --> 0:17:37.320 a receiver, he's got a better chance of doing that 0:17:37.440 --> 0:17:41.320 in the past happy NFL. He could theoretically with the 0:17:41.359 --> 0:17:43.760 three Okay, who your three start receivers here right now, 0:17:43.840 --> 0:17:48.720 Cobb of Gallup and Cooper. That that receiver you're talking 0:17:48.760 --> 0:17:51.320 about going to make a cop who has not been 0:17:51.359 --> 0:17:53.800 healthy the last two years of his career, who I 0:17:53.840 --> 0:17:55.879 think would be a mistake to just assume he's going 0:17:55.920 --> 0:17:59.679 to play sixteen games. Okay, but you tell me, you 0:17:59.720 --> 0:18:02.720 tell receivers have a hard time having some success, right 0:18:03.000 --> 0:18:06.760 first year rookies. Yeah, traditionally it's the one position that time. 0:18:06.920 --> 0:18:09.000 And you know, for the eighteenth time, I'll say, I 0:18:09.000 --> 0:18:11.920 don't necessarily buy that, because teams find guys every year. Yeah, 0:18:12.000 --> 0:18:14.879 Juju was pick sixty two. Yeah, Tyler Lockett was pick 0:18:15.000 --> 0:18:18.359 sixty nine. They take Zach Allen. Is Zach Allen a 0:18:18.400 --> 0:18:22.360 better player than Damien Harris? What is Damian Harris doing 0:18:22.400 --> 0:18:26.800 for this team? What's I'm just saying a vacuum. I'd 0:18:26.880 --> 0:18:29.520 rather have running back let's tell the running backs have 0:18:29.560 --> 0:18:31.880 a better chance of coming in and having success than 0:18:32.760 --> 0:18:35.040 any other positions on this Has Zeke ever missed a 0:18:35.080 --> 0:18:38.760 game for injury? No, the answers no, No, knock on wood, 0:18:38.800 --> 0:18:41.439 the answers no. Is this coaching staff creative enough to 0:18:41.560 --> 0:18:44.119 use two running backs really effectively the way the Saints 0:18:44.119 --> 0:18:46.080 did with Ingram and Kamara? You want them to take 0:18:46.080 --> 0:18:48.240 a tight end at fifty eight, that's that same question. 0:18:48.280 --> 0:18:52.280 I don't same reason, the same reason. I just either 0:18:52.400 --> 0:18:55.680 on either defense or receiver, that would be my preference. Yeah, 0:18:55.720 --> 0:18:57.800 but we'll see how the board falls. It's just too 0:18:57.920 --> 0:19:00.320 when you're picking fifty eight because you're fifty seven have 0:19:00.320 --> 0:19:03.400 to come off the board. Oh sure, but okay, let's 0:19:03.400 --> 0:19:05.600 get into this real quick. Taylor rap runs in the 0:19:05.640 --> 0:19:11.120 mid four sevens. Bring him good, bring him, bring him well. 0:19:11.280 --> 0:19:13.560 He's not falling. The fifty eight stole much. That's me. 0:19:15.359 --> 0:19:17.080 Let's stop with the fifty eight and hope he falls. 0:19:17.080 --> 0:19:19.120 That's not going to happen. But he could fall out 0:19:19.160 --> 0:19:22.160 the first round. That is realistic. Yeah, And if he's there, say, 0:19:22.480 --> 0:19:26.040 best case scenario is there forty? Do you go with you? 0:19:26.119 --> 0:19:28.159 The whole I've been with you the whole time. I 0:19:28.200 --> 0:19:29.760 never thought he was gonna get out of forty to 0:19:29.880 --> 0:19:33.320 forty five. I thought him and Abram both weren't gonna 0:19:33.320 --> 0:19:35.520 get out of forty five. No, I know, I'm just 0:19:35.560 --> 0:19:38.359 saying with a no, I never I never thought of 0:19:38.480 --> 0:19:40.360 him as being a guy that was going to be there. 0:19:40.400 --> 0:19:43.800 But if people don't like a four to seven four, yeah, 0:19:43.920 --> 0:19:47.000