1 00:00:01,440 --> 00:00:09,200 Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff You Should Know, a production of iHeartRadio. 2 00:00:12,200 --> 00:00:14,680 Speaker 2: Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh, and there's 3 00:00:14,880 --> 00:00:17,840 Speaker 2: Chuck and this is stuff you should know. And this 4 00:00:18,000 --> 00:00:20,919 Speaker 2: episode Chuck has made fun of, even though I took 5 00:00:21,000 --> 00:00:23,239 Speaker 2: pride in helping to assemble it. 6 00:00:24,560 --> 00:00:27,120 Speaker 1: Oh, it's fine. It's a top ten. We haven't done 7 00:00:27,160 --> 00:00:30,320 Speaker 1: those in forever. Yeah, it's always kind of a fun throwback, 8 00:00:30,480 --> 00:00:34,360 Speaker 1: and it seems like we never do ten with our 9 00:00:34,360 --> 00:00:36,920 Speaker 1: three x structure. Nine is probably a great number, but 10 00:00:36,960 --> 00:00:38,200 Speaker 1: I guess we'll see what happens. 11 00:00:38,000 --> 00:00:42,800 Speaker 2: Right, let's see what happens. So, you know the old 12 00:00:42,880 --> 00:00:45,600 Speaker 2: saying cut off your nose to spite your face. 13 00:00:47,000 --> 00:00:48,919 Speaker 1: Yes, And I feel like we did this on an 14 00:00:48,960 --> 00:00:52,479 Speaker 1: internet roundup or something. Maybe it's unded really familiar the story. 15 00:00:52,520 --> 00:00:53,520 Speaker 1: Did it did? 16 00:00:53,640 --> 00:00:53,920 Speaker 2: Okay? 17 00:00:53,960 --> 00:00:55,240 Speaker 1: Not to you. 18 00:00:55,320 --> 00:00:57,520 Speaker 2: No, As a matter of fact, it was all new 19 00:00:57,560 --> 00:00:59,600 Speaker 2: to me. But that doesn't mean we didn't do it already. 20 00:01:00,080 --> 00:01:02,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, but you would remember this one because it involves 21 00:01:02,280 --> 00:01:03,040 Speaker 1: self mutilation. 22 00:01:03,320 --> 00:01:05,760 Speaker 2: So just want to put out there that this actually 23 00:01:05,760 --> 00:01:09,400 Speaker 2: has nothing to do with that phrase. And I'll explain 24 00:01:10,280 --> 00:01:13,360 Speaker 2: why that phrase doesn't actually have anything to do with this. 25 00:01:13,640 --> 00:01:15,640 Speaker 2: Oh really, but I guess I should probably say that 26 00:01:16,560 --> 00:01:19,920 Speaker 2: we're starting this episode out in like the worst possible way, 27 00:01:20,200 --> 00:01:23,080 Speaker 2: with a really downer of a story that may or 28 00:01:23,080 --> 00:01:25,360 Speaker 2: may not have to do with Spie. So I say 29 00:01:25,440 --> 00:01:26,720 Speaker 2: we just go ahead and start that. 30 00:01:26,800 --> 00:01:32,440 Speaker 1: Now. Yes, there is a book, and this is as 31 00:01:32,520 --> 00:01:34,880 Speaker 1: the story goes. The book in nineteen oh four called 32 00:01:34,920 --> 00:01:40,160 Speaker 1: A Dictionary of Saintly Women. The story is that Viking, 33 00:01:40,440 --> 00:01:45,319 Speaker 1: you know, berserker raider types, came pillaging southward to the 34 00:01:45,319 --> 00:01:48,040 Speaker 1: British Isles at one point well not at one point 35 00:01:48,320 --> 00:01:51,960 Speaker 1: eight sixty seven CE specifically, and while they were doing 36 00:01:52,000 --> 00:01:55,760 Speaker 1: their berserkering and ravaging of the villages and things things, 37 00:01:55,760 --> 00:01:58,440 Speaker 1: there was obviously the kind of thing that would happen 38 00:01:58,440 --> 00:02:03,320 Speaker 1: would be assaults on people physically, sexually and otherwise. And 39 00:02:03,400 --> 00:02:06,880 Speaker 1: so when they went to a monastery in Scotland, the 40 00:02:06,960 --> 00:02:14,320 Speaker 1: Coldingham Monastery, the lead nun, Saint Aby the Younger, said, Hey, 41 00:02:14,560 --> 00:02:17,239 Speaker 1: here's what we'll do. We want to keep our chastity 42 00:02:17,840 --> 00:02:20,320 Speaker 1: and our covenant to God. It's a big deal for 43 00:02:20,440 --> 00:02:23,720 Speaker 1: us nuns. We should cut off our noses to keep 44 00:02:23,720 --> 00:02:25,799 Speaker 1: that from happening, because they won't assault us then. 45 00:02:25,960 --> 00:02:29,560 Speaker 2: But not to spite our faces, to snite the vikings. 46 00:02:30,600 --> 00:02:32,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, not even to spite. I think. I think it's 47 00:02:32,760 --> 00:02:36,360 Speaker 1: to protect themselves from sexual assault. Sure, I mean this 48 00:02:36,440 --> 00:02:37,239 Speaker 1: is all horrific. 49 00:02:37,440 --> 00:02:38,120 Speaker 2: It is horrific. 50 00:02:38,240 --> 00:02:38,400 Speaker 1: Yeah. 51 00:02:38,440 --> 00:02:40,440 Speaker 2: No, I'm not saying like this is a laugh, right, yeah, 52 00:02:40,720 --> 00:02:40,880 Speaker 2: like that. 53 00:02:40,960 --> 00:02:42,520 Speaker 1: I'm just saying no, no, no, thank you. 54 00:02:42,520 --> 00:02:47,880 Speaker 2: Anyway, back to the horrific story, Saint Aby said, and 55 00:02:47,919 --> 00:02:49,320 Speaker 2: she was in a saint at the time, but this 56 00:02:49,400 --> 00:02:54,040 Speaker 2: certainly helped her case. Later on, she said, come, nuns, 57 00:02:54,120 --> 00:02:56,359 Speaker 2: let's go sit around and talk. I have something to 58 00:02:56,400 --> 00:02:59,640 Speaker 2: say to you. Uh, to prevent ourselves from losing our 59 00:02:59,720 --> 00:03:02,560 Speaker 2: chest from being raped by these Vikings, We're going to 60 00:03:02,639 --> 00:03:04,799 Speaker 2: cut off our own noses. I'm going to cut off 61 00:03:04,800 --> 00:03:07,800 Speaker 2: my lip and maybe I'll inspire you to do the same. 62 00:03:08,320 --> 00:03:10,680 Speaker 2: And the rest of the sisters said, yes, let's do that, 63 00:03:11,280 --> 00:03:15,000 Speaker 2: and they did. And there's actually old like wood cuttings, 64 00:03:15,840 --> 00:03:20,720 Speaker 2: and there's at least one stained glass panel of this happening, 65 00:03:20,840 --> 00:03:24,200 Speaker 2: and it's gory, even as a wood cutting as gory. 66 00:03:24,720 --> 00:03:25,000 Speaker 1: Yeah. 67 00:03:25,000 --> 00:03:28,520 Speaker 2: And when the Vikings showed up, they found these nuns 68 00:03:28,760 --> 00:03:33,359 Speaker 2: missing their noses, bleeding, missing their lips, just in quite 69 00:03:33,400 --> 00:03:36,480 Speaker 2: a state. And they were like, we're just gonna move on. 70 00:03:36,560 --> 00:03:38,760 Speaker 2: To the next monastery and see what we find there. 71 00:03:39,360 --> 00:03:41,960 Speaker 2: The nuns, however, were not their lives were not spared, 72 00:03:41,960 --> 00:03:42,360 Speaker 2: were they. 73 00:03:42,880 --> 00:03:46,119 Speaker 1: Yeah, it gets even worse because what the Vikings did 74 00:03:46,680 --> 00:03:49,560 Speaker 1: was burned the place down with them inside and killed 75 00:03:49,560 --> 00:03:49,880 Speaker 1: them all. 76 00:03:50,280 --> 00:03:53,880 Speaker 2: Yeah. But there's a different way of looking at this, 77 00:03:54,040 --> 00:03:59,120 Speaker 2: and that is that these nuns protected their chastity, which, 78 00:03:59,120 --> 00:04:01,720 Speaker 2: as you said, is like really really important. They're known 79 00:04:01,760 --> 00:04:04,080 Speaker 2: as the brides of Christ, and that's one of the 80 00:04:04,120 --> 00:04:07,760 Speaker 2: reasons why they're chased. Why they're meant to die virgins, 81 00:04:08,200 --> 00:04:11,880 Speaker 2: is because they have given themselves to Christ or to God. 82 00:04:12,520 --> 00:04:14,960 Speaker 2: So as long as they're chased and they die chase, 83 00:04:15,040 --> 00:04:18,599 Speaker 2: then they have fulfilled this covenant. Even if it's not 84 00:04:19,279 --> 00:04:23,560 Speaker 2: by their own will or decision that they lose their virginity. 85 00:04:23,680 --> 00:04:26,160 Speaker 2: If they lose it through force, it's still not quite 86 00:04:26,200 --> 00:04:29,680 Speaker 2: the same as dying chase. So they managed to come 87 00:04:29,720 --> 00:04:34,159 Speaker 2: out on top religiously speaking. So that's that story. Oh. 88 00:04:34,279 --> 00:04:37,839 Speaker 2: The reason why it doesn't have anything to do with 89 00:04:37,880 --> 00:04:40,360 Speaker 2: cutting your nose up to spite your face is because 90 00:04:40,520 --> 00:04:44,240 Speaker 2: that phrase means that you are doing something in revenge 91 00:04:44,279 --> 00:04:46,560 Speaker 2: to somebody else or to harm somebody else, but you're 92 00:04:46,560 --> 00:04:50,040 Speaker 2: actually harming yourself much worse than you are them. 93 00:04:50,360 --> 00:04:51,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, and they just burned them down. 94 00:04:51,560 --> 00:04:54,200 Speaker 2: They didn't spite anybody, right, So that's a heck of 95 00:04:54,240 --> 00:04:55,919 Speaker 2: a way to kick off what was supposed to be 96 00:04:55,960 --> 00:04:58,200 Speaker 2: a semi lighthearted top ten list. 97 00:04:58,960 --> 00:05:01,479 Speaker 1: Yeah. Oh wait, didn't it mean to spite your own face? 98 00:05:02,360 --> 00:05:03,440 Speaker 2: Right? So you're. 99 00:05:04,760 --> 00:05:05,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, I got you. 100 00:05:05,520 --> 00:05:06,320 Speaker 2: You see what I'm saying. 101 00:05:06,720 --> 00:05:07,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, I just got confused. 102 00:05:07,839 --> 00:05:10,600 Speaker 2: It's kind of like there's another saying that hating somebody 103 00:05:10,960 --> 00:05:14,920 Speaker 2: is like drinking poison and expecting them to die. 104 00:05:15,120 --> 00:05:15,800 Speaker 1: I've never heard that. 105 00:05:16,360 --> 00:05:18,440 Speaker 2: It's a good one. It really gets the point across. 106 00:05:18,440 --> 00:05:20,839 Speaker 2: It makes you not want to hate or steal or 107 00:05:20,839 --> 00:05:22,080 Speaker 2: something about someone else. 108 00:05:22,440 --> 00:05:23,760 Speaker 1: Wow, that's really good. I like that. 109 00:05:23,800 --> 00:05:25,280 Speaker 2: Thanks a lot. I just made it up. 110 00:05:25,400 --> 00:05:29,839 Speaker 1: Look at you dropping nugs. All right, Let's talk about 111 00:05:30,200 --> 00:05:35,120 Speaker 1: Henry Clay Frick because he was a Gilded Age I 112 00:05:35,120 --> 00:05:36,839 Speaker 1: don't know about robber Baron, but he was at very 113 00:05:36,960 --> 00:05:40,120 Speaker 1: least a mogul, and along with Andrew Carnegie, they made 114 00:05:40,200 --> 00:05:42,440 Speaker 1: quite a lot of money together as partners in the 115 00:05:42,480 --> 00:05:47,840 Speaker 1: steel industry. That relationship went south and Carnegie got him 116 00:05:47,880 --> 00:05:49,680 Speaker 1: out of the picture, got Frick out of the picture, 117 00:05:50,240 --> 00:05:52,800 Speaker 1: and you know, to the point where he was Carnegie 118 00:05:52,839 --> 00:05:55,480 Speaker 1: was sued and and Frick actually won a lawsuit and 119 00:05:55,520 --> 00:05:58,280 Speaker 1: one compensation and everything. But it wasn't like he was like, 120 00:05:58,320 --> 00:06:02,320 Speaker 1: all right, we're all even now. He hated Andrew Carnegie 121 00:06:02,320 --> 00:06:03,400 Speaker 1: for the rest of his life. 122 00:06:03,600 --> 00:06:08,279 Speaker 2: Yeah, anytime, like Carnegie's companies, I can't remember which steel 123 00:06:08,320 --> 00:06:11,800 Speaker 2: company was he owned, but anytime there was like some 124 00:06:11,880 --> 00:06:15,640 Speaker 2: misstep or bad decision or business went awry, Frick would 125 00:06:15,640 --> 00:06:18,479 Speaker 2: send a note like chiding him or taunting him for 126 00:06:18,600 --> 00:06:22,880 Speaker 2: having made a terrible decision, like just constantly kept it up. 127 00:06:22,920 --> 00:06:25,360 Speaker 2: There was I think Carnegie built a mansion in New 128 00:06:25,440 --> 00:06:29,360 Speaker 2: York and Frick was like, oh, yeah, I'm going to 129 00:06:29,400 --> 00:06:31,440 Speaker 2: build an even bigger one right down the street, just 130 00:06:31,480 --> 00:06:33,919 Speaker 2: to show you up. Like would not let it go. 131 00:06:34,960 --> 00:06:38,159 Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure, anything you can do, I can do 132 00:06:38,200 --> 00:06:40,920 Speaker 1: bigger and better. And so you would think at the 133 00:06:41,000 --> 00:06:43,320 Speaker 1: end of their lives they could just let buy guns 134 00:06:43,320 --> 00:06:45,640 Speaker 1: be by guns. And that's what Andrew Carnegie tried to 135 00:06:45,680 --> 00:06:48,440 Speaker 1: do when he was in failing health, said, can you 136 00:06:48,440 --> 00:06:51,840 Speaker 1: get in touch with my old partner Frick, mister Henry 137 00:06:51,960 --> 00:06:55,320 Speaker 1: Clay Frick, and tell him he's got a great name, 138 00:06:55,920 --> 00:06:57,599 Speaker 1: and tell him that I'd like to meet up with 139 00:06:57,680 --> 00:07:00,280 Speaker 1: him and patch this thing up before we're gone off 140 00:07:00,320 --> 00:07:02,520 Speaker 1: of this earth. And so they brought the letter he 141 00:07:02,600 --> 00:07:05,600 Speaker 1: dispatched as his personal secretary James Bridge to send this 142 00:07:05,600 --> 00:07:08,720 Speaker 1: to Frick personally, and Frick apparently bawled up the letter 143 00:07:08,760 --> 00:07:10,680 Speaker 1: and threw it back at him and said, tell him 144 00:07:10,680 --> 00:07:12,560 Speaker 1: I'll see him in hell where we are both going. 145 00:07:12,720 --> 00:07:15,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, great, comeback. 146 00:07:15,200 --> 00:07:16,280 Speaker 1: I'll meet him in hell. 147 00:07:16,480 --> 00:07:19,480 Speaker 2: Yeah. His other thing that he was said to have 148 00:07:19,560 --> 00:07:22,040 Speaker 2: said was not until he admits that I'm the Mary 149 00:07:22,080 --> 00:07:23,120 Speaker 2: and you're the Rhoda. 150 00:07:28,760 --> 00:07:31,680 Speaker 1: Oh man, I know you're getting into some old TV 151 00:07:31,760 --> 00:07:35,440 Speaker 1: and you always have been. But if you do, you 152 00:07:35,440 --> 00:07:40,960 Speaker 1: have Criterion the Criterion channel streamer. Uh no, highly recommended, 153 00:07:41,000 --> 00:07:43,720 Speaker 1: by the way, like it's really the only great one 154 00:07:43,760 --> 00:07:46,360 Speaker 1: out there as far as quality stuff. But they have 155 00:07:46,480 --> 00:07:50,160 Speaker 1: Old Mary Tyler Moore. Or maybe that was on Max. 156 00:07:51,000 --> 00:07:53,080 Speaker 1: I can't remember, but anyway, Emily and I started watching 157 00:07:53,080 --> 00:07:55,000 Speaker 1: Old Mary Tyler Moore episodes. 158 00:07:54,600 --> 00:07:57,320 Speaker 2: Well like the original where she worked at the TV station. 159 00:07:58,000 --> 00:08:01,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, and it is. I watched a little bit when 160 00:08:01,200 --> 00:08:03,280 Speaker 1: I was a kid, but man, it it is so 161 00:08:03,480 --> 00:08:06,800 Speaker 1: good and it's so funny and charming and witty and 162 00:08:06,920 --> 00:08:08,600 Speaker 1: like still great. Yeah, holds up. 163 00:08:09,040 --> 00:08:12,000 Speaker 2: Those shows used to like just be written so well too, 164 00:08:12,200 --> 00:08:12,840 Speaker 2: and acted. 165 00:08:13,240 --> 00:08:14,400 Speaker 1: She was so good. 166 00:08:14,640 --> 00:08:21,080 Speaker 2: I can't remember. There was one episode where I think, Ted, yeah, 167 00:08:21,160 --> 00:08:24,720 Speaker 2: Ted Night, he was doing he was doing something and 168 00:08:25,120 --> 00:08:27,920 Speaker 2: it was so ridiculous and preposterous, but he was playing 169 00:08:27,920 --> 00:08:31,080 Speaker 2: it straight so well that the rest of the cast 170 00:08:31,240 --> 00:08:34,800 Speaker 2: just started cracking up and like they couldn't not They 171 00:08:34,840 --> 00:08:37,520 Speaker 2: did it in every take and it ended up kind 172 00:08:37,520 --> 00:08:41,160 Speaker 2: of in the show. It's some classically well known episode. 173 00:08:41,160 --> 00:08:44,600 Speaker 2: But check that one out and make sure you see 174 00:08:44,640 --> 00:08:45,200 Speaker 2: that one too. 175 00:08:45,840 --> 00:08:49,600 Speaker 1: So good, Ted Knight. And uh, who's the woman who 176 00:08:49,679 --> 00:08:51,760 Speaker 1: played rote A? 177 00:08:51,840 --> 00:08:56,960 Speaker 2: Valerie Burton Alley? No, Valerie, Uh, oh. 178 00:08:56,520 --> 00:09:01,600 Speaker 1: It's killing me. Valerie Harper. There you Valerie Harper ed Asner. 179 00:09:01,640 --> 00:09:03,640 Speaker 1: It's like, it's just it's really a great, great show. 180 00:09:03,640 --> 00:09:06,600 Speaker 1: And Mary Tyler Moore is just a gem of a human. 181 00:09:07,920 --> 00:09:11,120 Speaker 1: I hope she's still good as a person. Sure, I'll 182 00:09:11,120 --> 00:09:14,600 Speaker 1: watched the documentary about her. It's worthwhile. Oh really, yeah, 183 00:09:14,640 --> 00:09:15,280 Speaker 1: it's excellent. 184 00:09:15,320 --> 00:09:16,640 Speaker 2: In fact, all right, I'll check it out. 185 00:09:17,120 --> 00:09:18,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, quite a woman. 186 00:09:18,440 --> 00:09:19,800 Speaker 2: Well thanks for the recommendation. 187 00:09:20,440 --> 00:09:22,760 Speaker 1: Hey, sure, I feel like we've killed some time, should 188 00:09:22,760 --> 00:09:24,640 Speaker 1: we do a third in then take a break. 189 00:09:24,960 --> 00:09:26,160 Speaker 2: I think that's a great idea. 190 00:09:26,240 --> 00:09:30,760 Speaker 1: Chuck, all right, we're gonna talk about Sadam Hussein, and 191 00:09:30,840 --> 00:09:34,600 Speaker 1: Sadam Hussein didn't like one George H. W. Bush, who 192 00:09:34,600 --> 00:09:36,280 Speaker 1: was the guy who said his name that way because 193 00:09:36,320 --> 00:09:37,560 Speaker 1: of the First Gulf fer. 194 00:09:38,080 --> 00:09:41,319 Speaker 2: Yeah, he said, sure, I invaded Kuwait, but that doesn't 195 00:09:41,320 --> 00:09:43,480 Speaker 2: mean you have to come over here and liberate Kuwait. 196 00:09:44,200 --> 00:09:47,720 Speaker 2: And George Bush said, yes, we do. And as a result, 197 00:09:47,840 --> 00:09:52,280 Speaker 2: after this war, Saddam Hussein was still in power, and 198 00:09:52,440 --> 00:09:57,559 Speaker 2: he apparently was willing to use his power in all 199 00:09:57,600 --> 00:10:01,800 Speaker 2: sorts of weird ways and techie ways. Frankly, in one 200 00:10:01,840 --> 00:10:03,959 Speaker 2: of the ways he did that was he had a 201 00:10:04,000 --> 00:10:09,040 Speaker 2: mosaic mural, and unflattering mosaic mural of George Bush laid 202 00:10:09,080 --> 00:10:13,559 Speaker 2: into the floor of the entrance of the Al Rashid Hotel, 203 00:10:14,080 --> 00:10:17,400 Speaker 2: one of the nicest hotels in Baghdad, if not the nicest, 204 00:10:17,600 --> 00:10:20,800 Speaker 2: And the whole reason was it also said Bush is 205 00:10:20,920 --> 00:10:23,839 Speaker 2: criminal on it too. And the reason was is that 206 00:10:23,920 --> 00:10:27,320 Speaker 2: anyone coming into this well traveled hotel would walk right 207 00:10:27,360 --> 00:10:29,199 Speaker 2: over George Bush's face. 208 00:10:29,679 --> 00:10:31,679 Speaker 1: Right, and if you walked around it, you were given 209 00:10:32,080 --> 00:10:33,880 Speaker 1: a bad room. 210 00:10:33,320 --> 00:10:35,640 Speaker 2: Right, or taken out back and shot one of the two. 211 00:10:36,160 --> 00:10:37,200 Speaker 1: Did you look at a picture of this? 212 00:10:37,640 --> 00:10:40,760 Speaker 2: I did. It is an unflattering portrait, but you just 213 00:10:40,840 --> 00:10:41,960 Speaker 2: totally tell who it is. 214 00:10:42,679 --> 00:10:44,520 Speaker 1: You totally tell who it is. It's a big old 215 00:10:44,600 --> 00:10:46,760 Speaker 1: George Bush senior right there on the floor of the hotel, 216 00:10:47,120 --> 00:10:49,880 Speaker 1: of the lobby. It's a very strange thing to see 217 00:10:49,920 --> 00:10:55,840 Speaker 1: in a nice hotel. Yeah, but w came along later on, 218 00:10:57,080 --> 00:11:00,920 Speaker 1: went back to Iraq for the you know, the war 219 00:11:01,000 --> 00:11:04,199 Speaker 1: there on the basis of weapons of mass destruction that 220 00:11:04,280 --> 00:11:08,720 Speaker 1: did not exist, right, And he had them smash that up. 221 00:11:08,760 --> 00:11:10,480 Speaker 1: And he's like, Daddy, I'm not gonna let him do 222 00:11:10,559 --> 00:11:14,559 Speaker 1: that to you. Here's some sledgehammers. And so they went 223 00:11:14,559 --> 00:11:16,559 Speaker 1: in there and they smashed that thing up and chiseled 224 00:11:16,559 --> 00:11:20,320 Speaker 1: it up and supposedly laid a portrait of Saddam. Did 225 00:11:20,400 --> 00:11:21,959 Speaker 1: they didn't do that in mosaic tile? Did they? 226 00:11:22,280 --> 00:11:24,559 Speaker 2: I don't think so. From what I saw, it looked 227 00:11:24,600 --> 00:11:26,680 Speaker 2: just like a picture. I didn't see a close above it. 228 00:11:26,760 --> 00:11:28,480 Speaker 2: I just saw it. Yeah. I couldn't find one either, 229 00:11:29,040 --> 00:11:31,800 Speaker 2: Like the head without a proportion with the Body's. 230 00:11:31,360 --> 00:11:33,920 Speaker 1: Like, here's some sledgehammers, and I need a good tile 231 00:11:33,960 --> 00:11:35,400 Speaker 1: guy in bagdad. 232 00:11:35,040 --> 00:11:39,079 Speaker 2: Right, the sledgehammers head, don't mess with Texas engraved on them. 233 00:11:39,080 --> 00:11:40,120 Speaker 1: They probably did. 234 00:11:40,320 --> 00:11:43,720 Speaker 2: But yeah, I mean that's spiteful. Right to make a 235 00:11:43,760 --> 00:11:46,560 Speaker 2: mosaic portrait of one of your sworn enemies so that 236 00:11:46,600 --> 00:11:49,040 Speaker 2: your people walk all over him, I. 237 00:11:49,000 --> 00:11:51,600 Speaker 1: Think so to ruin your hotel lobby, your nicest hotel lobby. 238 00:11:51,640 --> 00:11:55,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, so we have a definitive example of spite. 239 00:11:56,360 --> 00:11:56,959 Speaker 1: That's right. 240 00:11:57,040 --> 00:11:58,720 Speaker 2: Well then that I think that means we should take 241 00:11:58,720 --> 00:11:59,760 Speaker 2: a break while we're ahead. 242 00:12:00,280 --> 00:12:02,480 Speaker 1: All right, we'll be right back with three more. I 243 00:12:02,600 --> 00:12:04,840 Speaker 1: want to learn about Terris ort to college, horedactyle, how 244 00:12:04,880 --> 00:12:05,480 Speaker 1: to take a bird. 245 00:12:07,000 --> 00:12:07,320 Speaker 2: Is gone? 246 00:12:07,360 --> 00:12:08,320 Speaker 1: That's a little hunt the. 247 00:12:16,720 --> 00:12:31,360 Speaker 2: Word up, Jerry, Okay, Chuck. I guess we should at 248 00:12:31,440 --> 00:12:33,839 Speaker 2: this point decide which one we're not going to do 249 00:12:34,040 --> 00:12:35,520 Speaker 2: for doing three three and three. 250 00:12:36,840 --> 00:12:41,120 Speaker 1: Well, I think the Beatles one has the least amount 251 00:12:41,160 --> 00:12:42,760 Speaker 1: of meat on the bone. 252 00:12:42,920 --> 00:12:45,280 Speaker 2: All right, I was gonna skip that one too. Or 253 00:12:45,400 --> 00:12:48,719 Speaker 2: suggests we do great, uh and if you did it, 254 00:12:48,800 --> 00:12:51,040 Speaker 2: I was just gonna not talk. I was gonna skip 255 00:12:51,080 --> 00:12:51,600 Speaker 2: it either way. 256 00:12:52,280 --> 00:12:54,000 Speaker 1: Well, I mean we can just quickly say that at 257 00:12:54,000 --> 00:12:56,400 Speaker 1: one point after the Beatles break up. John Lennon wrote 258 00:12:56,400 --> 00:12:57,920 Speaker 1: a song where he talked a lot of trash about 259 00:12:57,920 --> 00:13:03,160 Speaker 1: Paul McCartney. So everyone wants story. It's very, very famous story. 260 00:13:03,679 --> 00:13:07,200 Speaker 1: But the one that's really interesting to me is Ford 261 00:13:07,280 --> 00:13:10,640 Speaker 1: Versus Ferrari because that is a terrific movie that I 262 00:13:10,720 --> 00:13:11,440 Speaker 1: high they recommend. 263 00:13:12,320 --> 00:13:13,679 Speaker 2: Is it on Criterion Channel? 264 00:13:14,400 --> 00:13:16,720 Speaker 1: I doubt it, but I'm sure you could stream it somewhere. 265 00:13:17,120 --> 00:13:19,480 Speaker 1: The great James Mangold directed it, and I'm always a 266 00:13:19,480 --> 00:13:21,440 Speaker 1: fan of his work. He did the new Bob Dylan movie. 267 00:13:21,640 --> 00:13:22,000 Speaker 2: What else? 268 00:13:23,280 --> 00:13:25,640 Speaker 1: He did the last Indiana Jones movie, which was better 269 00:13:25,840 --> 00:13:26,720 Speaker 1: than the one before. 270 00:13:26,880 --> 00:13:29,439 Speaker 2: What Else. I don't know. 271 00:13:29,640 --> 00:13:31,800 Speaker 1: He's done, he's done. James Mangold's good. He sort of 272 00:13:32,280 --> 00:13:35,120 Speaker 1: has a very varied resume, which I always appreciate in 273 00:13:35,200 --> 00:13:35,600 Speaker 1: a director. 274 00:13:35,679 --> 00:13:37,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, I was gonna say that's all over the place 275 00:13:37,280 --> 00:13:40,120 Speaker 2: for sure. Yeah, So I guess if you've seen Ford 276 00:13:40,200 --> 00:13:42,360 Speaker 2: Versus Ferrari, you're familiar with this story. 277 00:13:43,880 --> 00:13:46,480 Speaker 1: I am, and I do recommend it. He also did 278 00:13:46,520 --> 00:13:48,679 Speaker 1: the Wolverine movie in the Logan movie, so yeah, he's 279 00:13:48,679 --> 00:13:49,320 Speaker 1: all over the place. 280 00:13:51,000 --> 00:13:53,880 Speaker 2: Okay, So I'm going to tell this story then, because 281 00:13:53,880 --> 00:13:56,319 Speaker 2: I haven't seen that movie. So this was new to me, Oh, 282 00:13:56,400 --> 00:13:59,480 Speaker 2: you'd like it, okay. So in the sixties, Henry Ford 283 00:13:59,520 --> 00:14:03,280 Speaker 2: the second, who was the successor president of the Ford 284 00:14:03,360 --> 00:14:07,880 Speaker 2: Motor Company and I guess probably a relative of Henry Ford's, 285 00:14:08,679 --> 00:14:11,520 Speaker 2: he decided that he wanted Ford to get into racing 286 00:14:12,040 --> 00:14:17,320 Speaker 2: just to basically like make Ford, just to expand the brand. Basically, yeah, 287 00:14:17,440 --> 00:14:20,520 Speaker 2: rather than just giant land yachts, we also make really 288 00:14:20,560 --> 00:14:21,440 Speaker 2: fast cars too. 289 00:14:22,080 --> 00:14:22,400 Speaker 1: Totally. 290 00:14:22,640 --> 00:14:25,280 Speaker 2: He also was like, you know, I know that there's 291 00:14:25,320 --> 00:14:27,480 Speaker 2: probably easier ways to get into racing than to build 292 00:14:27,560 --> 00:14:30,400 Speaker 2: race cars, and that is, let's just buy Ferrari like 293 00:14:30,520 --> 00:14:33,600 Speaker 2: they were already known around the world for building cars 294 00:14:33,680 --> 00:14:35,440 Speaker 2: that were just fast as all get out. 295 00:14:36,320 --> 00:14:41,760 Speaker 1: That's right, and they're very famous. Founder Inzo Farrati pitched 296 00:14:41,800 --> 00:14:44,880 Speaker 1: a deal for eighteen million bucks for ninety percent interest 297 00:14:44,920 --> 00:14:47,960 Speaker 1: in the company. And as the movie portrays it, this 298 00:14:48,080 --> 00:14:49,840 Speaker 1: isn't in this article, but as a movie portrays it. 299 00:14:49,880 --> 00:14:52,840 Speaker 1: If I'm not mistaken, and I'm not sure if it's 300 00:14:52,840 --> 00:14:54,520 Speaker 1: true or not, but at least it wasn't a movie. 301 00:14:54,800 --> 00:14:56,240 Speaker 1: I don't see why they would make this part up 302 00:14:56,320 --> 00:14:58,720 Speaker 1: is that he was using that deal to get a 303 00:14:58,760 --> 00:15:02,880 Speaker 1: better deal from Fiat. So playing one against the other, 304 00:15:03,320 --> 00:15:05,280 Speaker 1: which will really make someone mad in business. 305 00:15:05,520 --> 00:15:05,720 Speaker 2: Sure. 306 00:15:06,000 --> 00:15:09,840 Speaker 1: Apparently, when Ford showed up to sign the paperwork, Ferrari 307 00:15:10,000 --> 00:15:13,480 Speaker 1: said that you know what you're this Ford assembly line. 308 00:15:13,560 --> 00:15:16,320 Speaker 1: This bureaucracy that you've got in this company is this 309 00:15:16,360 --> 00:15:17,680 Speaker 1: is not of how we do it over here. 310 00:15:17,800 --> 00:15:21,440 Speaker 2: So no deal, right, And Ford was not very happy 311 00:15:21,480 --> 00:15:25,320 Speaker 2: about this, right of course, not so out despite and 312 00:15:25,440 --> 00:15:28,440 Speaker 2: to get back at Ferrari, and I think also to 313 00:15:28,560 --> 00:15:31,520 Speaker 2: get into racing too, Ford decided to build their own 314 00:15:31,640 --> 00:15:34,560 Speaker 2: race car, which came out to be the Ford GT. 315 00:15:34,840 --> 00:15:37,720 Speaker 2: Forty and I went and looked it up. I'm not 316 00:15:37,840 --> 00:15:39,960 Speaker 2: a car dude, but I am like, here, this is 317 00:15:40,000 --> 00:15:41,040 Speaker 2: an amazing car. 318 00:15:41,560 --> 00:15:42,400 Speaker 1: I'm the same way man. 319 00:15:42,840 --> 00:15:46,000 Speaker 2: And in fact it actually did best Ferrari at Leman's 320 00:15:46,040 --> 00:15:49,480 Speaker 2: in nineteen sixty six. And you can buy that car 321 00:15:49,800 --> 00:15:53,120 Speaker 2: at the very least, the original body that won Lamon's 322 00:15:53,160 --> 00:15:56,560 Speaker 2: in nineteen sixty six for cool six hundred and seventy 323 00:15:56,680 --> 00:16:00,400 Speaker 2: five thousand dollars from it looks like a private owner 324 00:16:00,480 --> 00:16:01,560 Speaker 2: in Jacksonville, Florida. 325 00:16:02,280 --> 00:16:08,000 Speaker 1: Wow, Jacksonville, it's beautiful. So they won first, second, and third, 326 00:16:08,080 --> 00:16:13,000 Speaker 1: so they really bested Ferrari. They also won in subsequent years. 327 00:16:13,040 --> 00:16:15,240 Speaker 1: So they swept in or not swept, but they won 328 00:16:15,280 --> 00:16:18,640 Speaker 1: in sixty six, sixty seven, sixty eight, and sixty nine. 329 00:16:18,840 --> 00:16:19,440 Speaker 2: That's a sweep. 330 00:16:20,680 --> 00:16:22,720 Speaker 1: Well, I meant not sweep for a second and third 331 00:16:22,760 --> 00:16:25,240 Speaker 1: place necessarily, or they may have. I don't know, but 332 00:16:26,960 --> 00:16:28,360 Speaker 1: I think we should do one on the twenty four 333 00:16:28,400 --> 00:16:30,400 Speaker 1: hours of La Monz because that's that's I'm not a 334 00:16:30,560 --> 00:16:32,520 Speaker 1: car race guy, but that to me is the most 335 00:16:32,560 --> 00:16:33,200 Speaker 1: interesting one. 336 00:16:33,800 --> 00:16:36,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, because they just drive around and around and around 337 00:16:36,320 --> 00:16:38,200 Speaker 2: for twenty four hours to see who can go the 338 00:16:38,280 --> 00:16:38,880 Speaker 2: furthest right. 339 00:16:39,440 --> 00:16:40,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's pretty cool. 340 00:16:40,600 --> 00:16:41,760 Speaker 2: It's an endurance race. 341 00:16:42,320 --> 00:16:44,640 Speaker 1: And it's not just like a you know, a circular 342 00:16:44,800 --> 00:16:46,880 Speaker 1: NASCAR thing. You know, they're driving through streets. 343 00:16:47,040 --> 00:16:48,880 Speaker 2: Right, and every once in a while it starts to 344 00:16:48,880 --> 00:16:51,080 Speaker 2: get boring. They just push pedestrians out in there and 345 00:16:51,120 --> 00:16:54,520 Speaker 2: see what happens exactly. So there's a little more to 346 00:16:54,640 --> 00:16:58,000 Speaker 2: this story. A little separate spoke that Ferrari had going 347 00:16:58,040 --> 00:16:59,640 Speaker 2: on at about the same time or a couple of 348 00:16:59,680 --> 00:17:03,200 Speaker 2: years earlier. Our friends at Mental Floss pointed out that 349 00:17:03,360 --> 00:17:07,360 Speaker 2: Lamborghini actually was founded out of spite to Ferrari. 350 00:17:08,600 --> 00:17:16,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, apparently the founder of Lamborghini, John Smith. His name 351 00:17:16,280 --> 00:17:20,320 Speaker 1: was Ferruccio Lamborghini. He was a tractor maker in the 352 00:17:20,400 --> 00:17:24,280 Speaker 1: sixties and he had a Ferrari and he was like, 353 00:17:24,400 --> 00:17:28,400 Speaker 1: this clutch is kind of janky. And as the story goes, 354 00:17:28,920 --> 00:17:31,040 Speaker 1: he got in touch with Inzo Ferrari and I was like, hey, 355 00:17:31,359 --> 00:17:33,680 Speaker 1: you know, I think I can help make your clutch better, 356 00:17:33,680 --> 00:17:36,520 Speaker 1: because you got this problem here with this spawndivot and 357 00:17:36,560 --> 00:17:39,920 Speaker 1: I can help make that thing better. And apparently, as 358 00:17:39,960 --> 00:17:43,520 Speaker 1: the story goes, Ferrari did not receive that phone call 359 00:17:43,600 --> 00:17:45,080 Speaker 1: well and was basically like get lost. 360 00:17:45,320 --> 00:17:48,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, he said, stick to making tractors. Lamborghini. Who's ever 361 00:17:48,720 --> 00:17:49,720 Speaker 2: heard of Lamborghini? 362 00:17:50,359 --> 00:17:50,840 Speaker 1: Exactly? 363 00:17:50,920 --> 00:17:53,800 Speaker 2: What a weird name for a car, right, So Lamborghini 364 00:17:53,960 --> 00:17:55,720 Speaker 2: was like, well, I'm just going to go make my 365 00:17:55,840 --> 00:17:59,040 Speaker 2: own car, and in nineteen sixty three, I believe, he 366 00:17:59,119 --> 00:18:03,840 Speaker 2: started making Lamborghinis with the help of five workers who 367 00:18:03,880 --> 00:18:07,080 Speaker 2: had recently been fired from Ferrari. That's how we established 368 00:18:07,119 --> 00:18:10,760 Speaker 2: his car company. And had Enzo Ferrari not rebuffed him, 369 00:18:11,080 --> 00:18:14,440 Speaker 2: we would never have that classic Garfield poster from the 370 00:18:14,520 --> 00:18:17,240 Speaker 2: eighties where he's standing next to a Kuontosh Bright. 371 00:18:19,680 --> 00:18:21,719 Speaker 1: You and I are not car guys, But like, if 372 00:18:21,800 --> 00:18:23,920 Speaker 1: I see a Lamborghini on the street or something, or 373 00:18:24,040 --> 00:18:27,960 Speaker 1: like the old Magnum Ferrari. I love that stuff. 374 00:18:28,600 --> 00:18:30,439 Speaker 2: Tinkle yourself a little bit. 375 00:18:30,480 --> 00:18:32,400 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, I'm not a sports car guy, 376 00:18:32,440 --> 00:18:35,920 Speaker 1: but I just can't help but see those and think, like, 377 00:18:36,080 --> 00:18:37,879 Speaker 1: what a what an amazing machine? 378 00:18:37,920 --> 00:18:40,879 Speaker 2: That is gorgeous. Those Magnum Ferraris you can get for 379 00:18:40,960 --> 00:18:43,000 Speaker 2: a song these days. I mean they don't work very well, 380 00:18:43,080 --> 00:18:45,280 Speaker 2: but like, how much are you O? Dohn't know. I'm 381 00:18:45,280 --> 00:18:48,000 Speaker 2: gonna guess anywhere between ten and fifty grand. 382 00:18:48,560 --> 00:18:50,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, considering how much they were, that is 383 00:18:50,560 --> 00:18:52,000 Speaker 1: a song, you know it is. 384 00:18:52,280 --> 00:18:55,360 Speaker 2: And they're so small too, Like I'm not sure either 385 00:18:55,400 --> 00:18:56,880 Speaker 2: one of us could fit in one of those. 386 00:18:57,600 --> 00:19:00,199 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I think every guy are. I mean 387 00:19:00,280 --> 00:19:01,439 Speaker 1: Thomas magnefited him, but. 388 00:19:01,840 --> 00:19:04,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that was a stunt. Double half his size. 389 00:19:05,000 --> 00:19:06,959 Speaker 1: Really well he was when it showed him in the car. 390 00:19:07,080 --> 00:19:08,919 Speaker 1: His knees were up toward his chin a bit so. 391 00:19:09,280 --> 00:19:10,720 Speaker 2: Like by his ears. 392 00:19:10,880 --> 00:19:12,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, because he was he was a tall guy. 393 00:19:12,600 --> 00:19:13,879 Speaker 2: But I. 394 00:19:15,680 --> 00:19:18,040 Speaker 1: Like that that Ferrari. I feel like for guys of 395 00:19:18,080 --> 00:19:21,760 Speaker 1: our generation, that Ferrari and the the Porsche from Risky 396 00:19:21,800 --> 00:19:24,600 Speaker 1: Business or like Top two of the top five probably 397 00:19:24,760 --> 00:19:25,600 Speaker 1: dream cars. 398 00:19:25,600 --> 00:19:28,720 Speaker 2: Was that in nine, nine to eleven, it was the. 399 00:19:30,720 --> 00:19:33,520 Speaker 1: Now in the nine to eleven it was the nine 400 00:19:34,800 --> 00:19:37,479 Speaker 1: I'm not familiar with that one. Then, yeah, it had 401 00:19:37,520 --> 00:19:38,560 Speaker 1: the lights that popped up. 402 00:19:38,720 --> 00:19:38,920 Speaker 2: It was. 403 00:19:39,119 --> 00:19:43,120 Speaker 1: It was one of the not as lauded versions, I think. 404 00:19:43,760 --> 00:19:46,200 Speaker 1: But man, and that it's just something about that movie. 405 00:19:46,240 --> 00:19:47,800 Speaker 1: It just sort of locked it in. I mean, it's 406 00:19:47,840 --> 00:19:50,040 Speaker 1: like a little hatchback. It's not even that special. 407 00:19:50,760 --> 00:19:53,840 Speaker 2: Hatch pack when you look at it. Now, yeah, for 408 00:19:54,000 --> 00:19:59,000 Speaker 2: grocery shopping. Exactly how many have we done for this thing? 409 00:19:59,080 --> 00:20:01,560 Speaker 1: We just did one, right, Oh yeah, we gotta get going. 410 00:20:01,720 --> 00:20:04,800 Speaker 2: Okay, all right, let's get going. Because it turns out 411 00:20:04,880 --> 00:20:09,119 Speaker 2: that there was a road in China made out of spite. 412 00:20:10,359 --> 00:20:12,320 Speaker 1: That's right. And I feel like I've seen this in 413 00:20:12,440 --> 00:20:16,160 Speaker 1: more than one place in the world where oh really, yeah, 414 00:20:16,320 --> 00:20:19,000 Speaker 1: not even necessarily a road, but like where like, well, 415 00:20:19,080 --> 00:20:20,680 Speaker 1: you don't want to give up your house, so we're 416 00:20:20,720 --> 00:20:22,720 Speaker 1: just going to build these skyscrapers all around. 417 00:20:22,480 --> 00:20:25,640 Speaker 2: It, right, Sure did you see pictures of this though? 418 00:20:26,119 --> 00:20:28,920 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, this is this is the extreme because this 419 00:20:29,000 --> 00:20:32,600 Speaker 1: happened in China to this couple in twenty twelve, The 420 00:20:32,680 --> 00:20:40,000 Speaker 1: man's name was Luo Bogan Boggin Boggin. He and his 421 00:20:40,119 --> 00:20:42,920 Speaker 1: wife refused to you know, they tried to come in 422 00:20:43,000 --> 00:20:46,679 Speaker 1: and take their house to make a highway, and they 423 00:20:46,720 --> 00:20:47,920 Speaker 1: were like, no, we're not going to do it. You 424 00:20:47,960 --> 00:20:51,360 Speaker 1: didn't offer us enough money, and so we're not going anywhere. 425 00:20:51,520 --> 00:20:54,479 Speaker 1: And so they built. I mean, if you visualize, if 426 00:20:54,800 --> 00:20:57,280 Speaker 1: you're visualizing a house literally sort of in the middle 427 00:20:57,320 --> 00:21:00,800 Speaker 1: of a road, in the right way goes around it, 428 00:21:01,000 --> 00:21:01,800 Speaker 1: that's what they did. 429 00:21:02,359 --> 00:21:06,359 Speaker 2: Yeah, Like, it wasn't even aroundabout. It's just that the 430 00:21:06,520 --> 00:21:09,240 Speaker 2: road widened and kind of curved in a bulge on 431 00:21:09,359 --> 00:21:13,000 Speaker 2: the sides around this house literally in the middle of 432 00:21:13,080 --> 00:21:16,680 Speaker 2: a highway. Even worse, even more reckless, if you ask me, 433 00:21:17,160 --> 00:21:19,479 Speaker 2: they kept electricity going to this house. So there's an 434 00:21:19,520 --> 00:21:23,639 Speaker 2: electrical pole in the middle of the highway too, totally unmarked. 435 00:21:24,000 --> 00:21:27,159 Speaker 2: It doesn't look really, no, it doesn't. It does not 436 00:21:27,320 --> 00:21:28,800 Speaker 2: at all doesn't. And if you want to see what 437 00:21:28,840 --> 00:21:31,439 Speaker 2: we're talking about, The Atlantic has a good photo spread 438 00:21:31,760 --> 00:21:33,760 Speaker 2: called the House in the Middle of the Street from 439 00:21:33,960 --> 00:21:35,160 Speaker 2: in twenty twelve. 440 00:21:35,520 --> 00:21:37,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, this is the most extreme case of 441 00:21:37,640 --> 00:21:40,920 Speaker 1: something like this that I've heard. You know, it didn't 442 00:21:40,960 --> 00:21:43,639 Speaker 1: take long for them to give in, obviously because it 443 00:21:43,840 --> 00:21:47,879 Speaker 1: was well dangerous and awful, and so they got They 444 00:21:48,000 --> 00:21:51,080 Speaker 1: did eventually give in and got a larger offer than 445 00:21:51,080 --> 00:21:54,080 Speaker 1: they are originally asked for. But I don't get the 446 00:21:54,119 --> 00:21:55,360 Speaker 1: feeling that they thought they won. 447 00:21:56,800 --> 00:21:59,520 Speaker 2: No, they definitely didn't. So I've looked into this a 448 00:21:59,520 --> 00:22:01,679 Speaker 2: little further. There was a five story house that they 449 00:22:01,720 --> 00:22:06,480 Speaker 2: had just built for ninety five grand when the provincial 450 00:22:06,520 --> 00:22:09,000 Speaker 2: government said you need to move because we're building a 451 00:22:09,080 --> 00:22:12,160 Speaker 2: highway through here. And they weren't the only ones who 452 00:22:12,920 --> 00:22:15,280 Speaker 2: had kind of tried to stick it out. So they 453 00:22:15,320 --> 00:22:17,440 Speaker 2: were also aware that they could not leave their house. 454 00:22:17,560 --> 00:22:19,160 Speaker 2: They had to stay in their house twenty four hours 455 00:22:19,160 --> 00:22:21,399 Speaker 2: a day because if they left, the government would come 456 00:22:21,440 --> 00:22:23,679 Speaker 2: and bulldoze their house while they were gone and be like, ts, 457 00:22:23,720 --> 00:22:27,719 Speaker 2: what are you going to do? And they had no choice, 458 00:22:28,119 --> 00:22:30,879 Speaker 2: but just holding out was kind of a protest and 459 00:22:31,240 --> 00:22:35,439 Speaker 2: to draw attention to this generally unfair practice, because I mean, 460 00:22:35,560 --> 00:22:38,760 Speaker 2: any government can exercise eminent domain, but typically you want 461 00:22:38,800 --> 00:22:40,240 Speaker 2: to give at least market value. 462 00:22:40,840 --> 00:22:43,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, it's it's really egregious. 463 00:22:43,040 --> 00:22:46,040 Speaker 2: When you look at this picture, it's nuts because they 464 00:22:46,080 --> 00:22:49,840 Speaker 2: were on their porch like a second floor balcony, and 465 00:22:49,920 --> 00:22:52,920 Speaker 2: they're looking down and you're looking down not at a 466 00:22:52,960 --> 00:22:55,040 Speaker 2: front yard, you're looking down at the road, like it 467 00:22:55,160 --> 00:22:57,000 Speaker 2: went right around this house. 468 00:22:57,359 --> 00:22:59,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, through crazy stuff. 469 00:22:59,440 --> 00:23:01,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, so that was a spiteful road. 470 00:23:02,440 --> 00:23:05,000 Speaker 1: That was a spiteful road. And now we're gonna talk 471 00:23:05,040 --> 00:23:06,160 Speaker 1: about a spiteful statue. 472 00:23:06,440 --> 00:23:06,880 Speaker 2: That's right. 473 00:23:07,480 --> 00:23:11,760 Speaker 1: Because in Germany, between the towns of Bonn and Buah, 474 00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:16,639 Speaker 1: there's the old Rhine River and the Rhine River Bridge 475 00:23:16,680 --> 00:23:20,760 Speaker 1: that connects the two and so the Little Bridgeman or 476 00:23:20,800 --> 00:23:25,600 Speaker 1: the bruchen Mankin frucin Mankin, it's kind of a mouthful, 477 00:23:26,960 --> 00:23:29,000 Speaker 1: is the little Bridgeman. And that is a sculpture of 478 00:23:29,080 --> 00:23:32,160 Speaker 1: a guy sort of bent over sticking his butt out, 479 00:23:32,760 --> 00:23:36,680 Speaker 1: and that became the subject of a lot of contention, 480 00:23:37,119 --> 00:23:38,880 Speaker 1: eventually backfiring. Is that right. 481 00:23:39,480 --> 00:23:43,119 Speaker 2: Yeah, So the story went that in the late nineteenth century, 482 00:23:43,160 --> 00:23:48,040 Speaker 2: I think December seventeenth, eighteen ninety eight, this bridge between 483 00:23:48,359 --> 00:23:51,480 Speaker 2: Bonn and Buell, which was supposed to be a joint 484 00:23:51,680 --> 00:23:55,200 Speaker 2: construction project between the two, ended up being paid for 485 00:23:55,480 --> 00:23:59,200 Speaker 2: entirely by Bonn because Buell was like, we'll use the bridge, 486 00:23:59,240 --> 00:24:00,639 Speaker 2: but we're not going to pay for it. You go 487 00:24:00,680 --> 00:24:03,800 Speaker 2: ahead and pay for it. Yeah, And so under wraps 488 00:24:03,920 --> 00:24:08,560 Speaker 2: until this unveiling of the bridge was that little statue 489 00:24:08,960 --> 00:24:12,080 Speaker 2: of a little man carved into the bridge with his 490 00:24:12,240 --> 00:24:14,000 Speaker 2: butt sticking out, basically. 491 00:24:13,800 --> 00:24:15,720 Speaker 1: Mooning Bule, mooning Bule. 492 00:24:15,920 --> 00:24:19,720 Speaker 2: Can you imagine just the pilarity of seeing that. 493 00:24:20,440 --> 00:24:26,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, But like I said, it backfired because that statue 494 00:24:26,280 --> 00:24:30,520 Speaker 1: became a bit of a local icon. So it you know, 495 00:24:30,600 --> 00:24:33,679 Speaker 1: it was on banknotes, it was on people took pictures 496 00:24:33,720 --> 00:24:36,040 Speaker 1: of it, it was on local postcards, and it was 497 00:24:36,080 --> 00:24:39,320 Speaker 1: a little tourist attraction. But what they did was they 498 00:24:39,400 --> 00:24:44,880 Speaker 1: put attacks on the bridge, but only attacks going one 499 00:24:44,960 --> 00:24:46,960 Speaker 1: way and not back into your own place. 500 00:24:47,440 --> 00:24:47,600 Speaker 2: Right. 501 00:24:48,119 --> 00:24:51,520 Speaker 1: So what happened was from the Bule side they could 502 00:24:51,560 --> 00:24:53,960 Speaker 1: see the statue because it was pointing, you know, their 503 00:24:54,520 --> 00:24:56,840 Speaker 1: butt was pointing at them. So they got all the 504 00:24:56,920 --> 00:24:59,760 Speaker 1: benefits of seeing this thing without having to pay to 505 00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:01,600 Speaker 1: to cross the bridge to see it. If you're on 506 00:25:01,680 --> 00:25:03,439 Speaker 1: the other side and you wanted to go, like actually 507 00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:05,760 Speaker 1: see the statue, you had to pay to get across. 508 00:25:06,480 --> 00:25:08,600 Speaker 2: Yeah. And you can believe that anytime you had out 509 00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:10,720 Speaker 2: of town guests visit, you had to take them to 510 00:25:10,800 --> 00:25:13,199 Speaker 2: go see the little bridge Man, go see the butt man. 511 00:25:13,560 --> 00:25:15,760 Speaker 2: So yeah, they ended up what was supposed to be 512 00:25:16,400 --> 00:25:18,399 Speaker 2: a joke at the expense of Bule ended up to 513 00:25:18,480 --> 00:25:21,399 Speaker 2: be an actual expense for the city, a bond because 514 00:25:21,440 --> 00:25:24,080 Speaker 2: they had to pay this fee to get onto the bridge. 515 00:25:24,520 --> 00:25:28,080 Speaker 2: But supposedly their friendly rivals still or they were. Now 516 00:25:28,160 --> 00:25:31,000 Speaker 2: I think they're one town, kind of like Buddha Pest. 517 00:25:31,040 --> 00:25:34,360 Speaker 2: There's Buddha and Pest and it's separated by the river, 518 00:25:34,840 --> 00:25:36,560 Speaker 2: but it's still one city now. 519 00:25:36,760 --> 00:25:39,399 Speaker 1: Yeah, same thing, and that's what Bonn and Bule interest. 520 00:25:39,520 --> 00:25:42,200 Speaker 2: That's how I understand it. So this you can still 521 00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:46,040 Speaker 2: see the little Bridgeman, but he's not the original. The 522 00:25:46,119 --> 00:25:49,840 Speaker 2: original was almost destroyed in the Second World War. The 523 00:25:49,920 --> 00:25:52,280 Speaker 2: bridge was at least, but they were able to get 524 00:25:52,320 --> 00:25:54,480 Speaker 2: their hands on the statue and get them out of 525 00:25:54,520 --> 00:25:57,359 Speaker 2: the rhine. They put them back on the rebuilt bridge, 526 00:25:57,720 --> 00:26:01,200 Speaker 2: but then some local youths in nineteen six he destroyed that. 527 00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:04,679 Speaker 2: So now there's a recreation of it on the bridge. 528 00:26:05,119 --> 00:26:06,200 Speaker 1: A little punk rockers. 529 00:26:06,560 --> 00:26:10,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, a little punks at least. Uh. So that's that 530 00:26:11,160 --> 00:26:14,640 Speaker 2: was a little Bridgeman made out of spite. 531 00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:17,440 Speaker 1: All right, And I think that's break number two. And 532 00:26:17,560 --> 00:26:20,199 Speaker 1: we'll be back to finish up with three more right 533 00:26:20,240 --> 00:26:22,680 Speaker 1: after this, I want to learn about a Terris ran 534 00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:26,360 Speaker 1: College veradactyle, how to take a bergink is gone. That's 535 00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:32,520 Speaker 1: a little hunt we should know. 536 00:26:35,560 --> 00:26:48,359 Speaker 2: Word up, Jerry, all right. 537 00:26:48,280 --> 00:26:51,560 Speaker 1: We're gonna talk about uh. And I've seen stories sort 538 00:26:51,560 --> 00:26:53,520 Speaker 1: of like this, but this one seems to take the cake. 539 00:26:54,160 --> 00:26:58,720 Speaker 1: When a Christmas display goes too far and all of 540 00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:00,720 Speaker 1: a sudden, people are neighbor are like, hey, this is 541 00:27:00,760 --> 00:27:06,000 Speaker 1: getting out of hand. It's too bright, or it's you know, neighbor. 542 00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:07,800 Speaker 1: People are driving in to see these things now, and 543 00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:10,359 Speaker 1: I can't even get down my own street, right. And 544 00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:13,760 Speaker 1: this happened in the mid two thousands in Ross Township, Pennsylvania, 545 00:27:14,359 --> 00:27:17,680 Speaker 1: when a dude named Bill an electrician key named Bill 546 00:27:17,840 --> 00:27:22,600 Speaker 1: an Sell did a pretty you know, audacious Christmas display 547 00:27:23,280 --> 00:27:25,320 Speaker 1: in his front yard there in Ross Township, such that 548 00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:28,760 Speaker 1: people were driving in and neighbors started to get annoyed. 549 00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:32,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, And actually the way that this neighborhood was arranged 550 00:27:32,760 --> 00:27:34,440 Speaker 2: is a cul de sac. But in the center of 551 00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:38,639 Speaker 2: the coulda sack was Bill Ansel's house. So with his 552 00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:41,479 Speaker 2: light display, you it was just kind of like driving 553 00:27:41,600 --> 00:27:44,560 Speaker 2: through a holiday light display because you just drive past 554 00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:46,280 Speaker 2: and go all the way around and come back on 555 00:27:46,320 --> 00:27:47,120 Speaker 2: the other side. 556 00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:48,000 Speaker 1: And lee, he's kind of perfect. 557 00:27:48,040 --> 00:27:50,879 Speaker 2: Actually it was perfect, and Bill Ansel definitely thought it 558 00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:52,800 Speaker 2: was perfect. But like you said, the neighbors were like, man, 559 00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:56,600 Speaker 2: come on, this is one hundred thousand watts of Christmas joy. 560 00:27:57,800 --> 00:28:00,680 Speaker 2: It's just it's too much, so and we do something 561 00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:03,560 Speaker 2: about this. Bill Ansel apparently was not the type to 562 00:28:04,600 --> 00:28:09,040 Speaker 2: take criticism. Well, sounds like it. I think he actually 563 00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:14,520 Speaker 2: was required to take down the holiday display, and yes, 564 00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:18,840 Speaker 2: I think they cited him for an out of season 565 00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:22,840 Speaker 2: decoration or something like that. Right, So he took it down, 566 00:28:23,080 --> 00:28:25,520 Speaker 2: but in short order he put up a new display 567 00:28:26,280 --> 00:28:30,640 Speaker 2: and specifically designed it so that the neighbors regretted ever 568 00:28:30,840 --> 00:28:34,280 Speaker 2: asking him to take down the original joyous display. 569 00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:37,800 Speaker 1: And he did this chuck out of spike, that's right, 570 00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:45,400 Speaker 1: and apparently left it up year round. Santa urinating in 571 00:28:45,520 --> 00:28:50,080 Speaker 1: the front yard, a choir that was beheaded, Frosty the 572 00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:53,960 Speaker 1: Snowman getting run over by a car. Also up in 573 00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:59,600 Speaker 1: lights f Ross Township. Yeah, just right there in string 574 00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:03,160 Speaker 1: lights a sign that said this display is dedicated to 575 00:29:03,280 --> 00:29:06,000 Speaker 1: Ross Township. Shame on you. For destroying my display that 576 00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:08,600 Speaker 1: brought so much joy and happiness to so many people. 577 00:29:09,040 --> 00:29:13,800 Speaker 2: There was also a warning, a sign that said Ross Township, 578 00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:16,600 Speaker 2: don't touch any of this property. If you do, there 579 00:29:16,640 --> 00:29:17,640 Speaker 2: will be bloodshed. 580 00:29:19,760 --> 00:29:20,240 Speaker 1: Is that true? 581 00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:23,239 Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, no, it totally is. And there was another one. 582 00:29:23,280 --> 00:29:26,520 Speaker 2: I read an interview with twenty twenty with the neighbors 583 00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:29,400 Speaker 2: who were like, this guy actually wrote a sign. I 584 00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:31,480 Speaker 2: didn't see what he said, but he came up with 585 00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:36,440 Speaker 2: the disparaging sign for the deceased wife of Tom White, 586 00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:39,560 Speaker 2: one of the neighbors. The day after she died, he 587 00:29:39,640 --> 00:29:42,560 Speaker 2: put up some sign disparaging her. So this guy was 588 00:29:42,760 --> 00:29:46,479 Speaker 2: definitely off the chain with this thing. And I mean 589 00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:49,360 Speaker 2: like he would stay up at night and hit metal 590 00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:53,440 Speaker 2: with sledgehammers to make noise. He had floodlights pointed directly 591 00:29:53,480 --> 00:29:56,680 Speaker 2: in the neighbors' houses, and I mean, living like that's 592 00:29:56,720 --> 00:29:59,040 Speaker 2: bad enough. But they said something that stuck out to 593 00:29:59,120 --> 00:30:00,880 Speaker 2: me that I hadn't thought of. That It's like, this 594 00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:04,840 Speaker 2: is a living nightmare when you have a neighbor like that. Yeah, 595 00:30:05,120 --> 00:30:08,080 Speaker 2: and you sell your house anytime you have a showing, 596 00:30:08,440 --> 00:30:10,440 Speaker 2: They're going to turn around before they even get out 597 00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:14,240 Speaker 2: of their car. That's like, you're trapped. They were totally 598 00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:19,160 Speaker 2: trapped there, and despite the township finding him, despite court orders, 599 00:30:19,560 --> 00:30:21,080 Speaker 2: like you said, he kept it up year round, and 600 00:30:21,160 --> 00:30:22,680 Speaker 2: he kept it up for years. 601 00:30:23,720 --> 00:30:26,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, and then he built a kill desert. 602 00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:29,440 Speaker 2: Yes, I thought that there was definitely a parallel between 603 00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:30,840 Speaker 2: those guys too. Yeah. 604 00:30:32,040 --> 00:30:34,360 Speaker 1: Be a good neighbor everyone. Be a good neighbor to 605 00:30:34,440 --> 00:30:36,080 Speaker 1: your neighbor. That's all you got to do. You don't 606 00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:38,000 Speaker 1: have to. You can go above and beyond if you want, 607 00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:40,120 Speaker 1: but just be like base level good. 608 00:30:40,920 --> 00:30:43,280 Speaker 2: Sure, and if your neighbor, then if your neighbors come 609 00:30:43,320 --> 00:30:45,640 Speaker 2: to you with a complaint about some special thing that's 610 00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:48,720 Speaker 2: special to you, rather than going off the handle, maybe 611 00:30:48,800 --> 00:30:51,200 Speaker 2: say well, let's figure out a compromise because this is 612 00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:52,160 Speaker 2: really important to me. 613 00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:55,239 Speaker 1: Yeah, and let's not tank everyone's property values. We're all 614 00:30:55,280 --> 00:30:55,840 Speaker 1: in this together. 615 00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:58,239 Speaker 2: Sure, And if they're like, no, we insist you take 616 00:30:58,280 --> 00:31:02,280 Speaker 2: it down, then you do something right, at least give 617 00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:03,320 Speaker 2: him a fighting chance. 618 00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:05,560 Speaker 1: That's right. This is this is super spike. 619 00:31:05,920 --> 00:31:08,440 Speaker 2: So we want to thank not just our friends at 620 00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:11,480 Speaker 2: twenty twenty, but our friends at Mental Floss too for 621 00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:12,880 Speaker 2: pointing that one out to us. 622 00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:13,600 Speaker 1: That's right. 623 00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:17,480 Speaker 2: So I think we got a couple more, right. 624 00:31:17,800 --> 00:31:21,560 Speaker 1: That's right. We'll move on to Prince Rogers Nelson aka 625 00:31:21,760 --> 00:31:27,560 Speaker 1: Prince AKA for a little while. The artist formerly known 626 00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:33,280 Speaker 1: as Prince because very famously Prince changed his name in 627 00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:39,040 Speaker 1: nineteen ninety three when to an unrecognizable symbol. It was 628 00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:41,600 Speaker 1: sort of the symbol for a man and woman, and 629 00:31:41,720 --> 00:31:44,160 Speaker 1: it had some other flourishes and had kind of been 630 00:31:44,160 --> 00:31:47,680 Speaker 1: tweaked and redesigned over the years. It was on different pieces, 631 00:31:47,800 --> 00:31:49,800 Speaker 1: you know, he had a guitar shape like that previously. 632 00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:52,240 Speaker 1: I think it was on his motorcycle and purple rain maybe, 633 00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:54,880 Speaker 1: oh yeah. But it was a symbol that had been 634 00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:58,160 Speaker 1: around his world for a while and Prince said, yep, 635 00:31:58,280 --> 00:32:01,680 Speaker 1: that's my name now, and wear it out. He was thought, 636 00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:03,440 Speaker 1: he was, we don't wear it out because you can't 637 00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:07,480 Speaker 1: say it, so that's impossible, right. But I think at 638 00:32:07,520 --> 00:32:09,360 Speaker 1: the time, I remember, everyone just thought it was Prince 639 00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:13,120 Speaker 1: being prince and being strange and being eccentric. But it 640 00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:16,800 Speaker 1: is now pretty widely accepted that he did that to 641 00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:21,440 Speaker 1: spite Warner Brothers Records because he was in a record 642 00:32:21,520 --> 00:32:23,560 Speaker 1: contract he didn't like for numerous reasons. 643 00:32:23,680 --> 00:32:25,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, it was a very lucrative contract. A 644 00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:28,000 Speaker 2: lot of people were playing like the world's smallest violin 645 00:32:28,120 --> 00:32:29,800 Speaker 2: for Prince at the time. 646 00:32:29,960 --> 00:32:30,640 Speaker 1: Resigned it too. 647 00:32:30,840 --> 00:32:34,280 Speaker 2: By the way, twenty years later resigned with the same company. 648 00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:37,200 Speaker 1: And I don't know he resigned before this one. This 649 00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:39,920 Speaker 1: was the second. Really he resigned a third time later. 650 00:32:40,160 --> 00:32:42,240 Speaker 2: I got you okay, did not realize that, but this 651 00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:45,440 Speaker 2: was like one hundred million dollar contract was worth two 652 00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:48,600 Speaker 2: hundred and fifteen million dollars today. It was a big 653 00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:49,600 Speaker 2: fat contract. 654 00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:50,080 Speaker 1: Yeah. 655 00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:53,920 Speaker 2: The thing is is, Prince I saw like when he died, 656 00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:57,120 Speaker 2: when they went into his audio archives, They're like he 657 00:32:57,200 --> 00:32:59,760 Speaker 2: could release an album like every month for the next 658 00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:01,440 Speaker 2: fIF years or something like that, that he had that 659 00:33:01,560 --> 00:33:04,680 Speaker 2: much stuff recorded. Yeah, and he wanted to release music 660 00:33:04,800 --> 00:33:08,400 Speaker 2: really quickly and with high turnover, and Warner Brothers is like, no, 661 00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:10,680 Speaker 2: you're gonna flood the market. You're gonna shoot yourself in 662 00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:13,720 Speaker 2: the foot. You can only release X number of albums 663 00:33:13,760 --> 00:33:16,160 Speaker 2: every say, twelve months of like one a year maybe 664 00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:18,719 Speaker 2: or something like that. He didn't like that. And then 665 00:33:18,760 --> 00:33:22,040 Speaker 2: apparently Warner Brothers owned the rights to his songs too, 666 00:33:22,120 --> 00:33:25,600 Speaker 2: which I'm quite sure he really really didn't like. So 667 00:33:25,760 --> 00:33:27,680 Speaker 2: to get out of his contract. He thought, well, okay, 668 00:33:27,800 --> 00:33:30,280 Speaker 2: the contract is between Prince and Warner Brothers. I'm going 669 00:33:30,320 --> 00:33:32,680 Speaker 2: to change my name and maybe the contract won't be 670 00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:35,600 Speaker 2: valid any longer. I'm not sure how much he actually 671 00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:39,040 Speaker 2: believed that, because Prince wasn't a dumb person at all. Yeah, 672 00:33:39,280 --> 00:33:43,480 Speaker 2: but at the very least he was trying to humiliate 673 00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:46,440 Speaker 2: Warner Brothers make life harder for them. And he did 674 00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:48,760 Speaker 2: all this, as you said, out of spite. 675 00:33:49,120 --> 00:33:52,040 Speaker 1: That's right. He also wrote the word slave on his 676 00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:54,680 Speaker 1: cheek and a lot of performances at the time, and 677 00:33:55,560 --> 00:33:57,840 Speaker 1: it didn't work. He had to see the contract through, 678 00:33:58,560 --> 00:34:01,280 Speaker 1: which was just another few I think in two thousand 679 00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:04,400 Speaker 1: it expired and then he was Princes again. And like 680 00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:06,600 Speaker 1: you said, you know by guns were by guns I 681 00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:09,239 Speaker 1: guess because he re signed yet again twenty years later 682 00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:10,040 Speaker 1: with Warner Brothers. 683 00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:12,319 Speaker 2: Yeah. One of the things that Warner Brothers too had 684 00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:14,560 Speaker 2: to do, Chuck, was they had to send out digital 685 00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:17,000 Speaker 2: files to the media. And this is the nineties, because 686 00:34:17,040 --> 00:34:21,080 Speaker 2: there was no way to there was no like combination 687 00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:24,320 Speaker 2: of keys on a keyboard to make this symbol, so 688 00:34:24,440 --> 00:34:27,200 Speaker 2: they had to send a digital image of the symbol 689 00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:31,400 Speaker 2: for the like newspapers or magazines or whatever to insert 690 00:34:31,560 --> 00:34:35,760 Speaker 2: into their articles about Prince. And then finally the media 691 00:34:36,080 --> 00:34:37,600 Speaker 2: was just like, we're just gonna call him the artist 692 00:34:37,680 --> 00:34:39,400 Speaker 2: formerly known as Prince, and Prince. 693 00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:42,040 Speaker 1: Was like, damn it, right, work around. 694 00:34:42,080 --> 00:34:46,239 Speaker 2: Yeah exactly, So rip Prince man. He was pretty great. 695 00:34:47,239 --> 00:34:52,440 Speaker 1: Yes, my friend and your friend Scottie got to go 696 00:34:52,600 --> 00:34:55,440 Speaker 1: to his final performance, the solo Atlanta performance at the 697 00:34:55,480 --> 00:34:59,000 Speaker 1: Fox Theater, just days before he died. Yeah, and it 698 00:34:59,120 --> 00:35:01,399 Speaker 1: always makes me so mady because Scotty didn't even really 699 00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:04,919 Speaker 1: love Prince. Yeah, now I'm glad he got together. 700 00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:06,680 Speaker 2: He just showed up there, like how did I get here? 701 00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:09,520 Speaker 1: So that's one of those We almost went and pulled 702 00:35:09,520 --> 00:35:11,200 Speaker 1: the trigger to scalp tickets, and it was just like, 703 00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:13,480 Speaker 1: I don't know why we didn't, because it was special 704 00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:17,000 Speaker 1: enough to be a piano solo concert by Prince. I 705 00:35:17,080 --> 00:35:19,280 Speaker 1: was like, man, we gotta go yep, and we didn't, 706 00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:20,080 Speaker 1: and then he died. 707 00:35:20,600 --> 00:35:23,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, we were going to do the same thing, and 708 00:35:23,120 --> 00:35:25,960 Speaker 2: that's actually a well we were going to scalp. We 709 00:35:26,040 --> 00:35:27,960 Speaker 2: were going to go, and I don't remember why we didn't, 710 00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:30,560 Speaker 2: But that's kind of par for the course for me, 711 00:35:30,680 --> 00:35:34,040 Speaker 2: because I did that with Prince. I did that with 712 00:35:34,160 --> 00:35:37,040 Speaker 2: Pink Floyd, I did that with Steve Ray Vaughan, and 713 00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:40,640 Speaker 2: I did that with The Grateful Debt. I was just like, 714 00:35:40,680 --> 00:35:41,600 Speaker 2: I'll see him next time. 715 00:35:41,960 --> 00:35:44,080 Speaker 1: I saw Prince when I lived in LA in the 716 00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:47,480 Speaker 1: late ninety or I'm sorry, Yeah, I guess it was 717 00:35:47,600 --> 00:35:50,680 Speaker 1: early two thousands, and that was amazing just being able 718 00:35:50,719 --> 00:35:52,320 Speaker 1: to see him once with a full band. It was 719 00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:53,000 Speaker 1: something else. 720 00:35:53,160 --> 00:35:56,399 Speaker 2: You saw him for some tour I think Musicology tour, 721 00:35:56,440 --> 00:35:58,680 Speaker 2: and she was like, hands down, the best show I've 722 00:35:58,680 --> 00:35:59,160 Speaker 2: ever seen. 723 00:35:59,520 --> 00:36:01,319 Speaker 1: Yeah, what a loss. 724 00:36:01,480 --> 00:36:04,680 Speaker 2: Apparently he was quite the dancer. He was. 725 00:36:05,160 --> 00:36:06,799 Speaker 1: Also saw Tom Petty on that last tour. I saw 726 00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:08,239 Speaker 1: him quite a few times, but I was I was 727 00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:09,719 Speaker 1: really glad to be at that last one. 728 00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:11,759 Speaker 2: Yeah, he was cool. He's one of those guys that 729 00:36:11,800 --> 00:36:13,759 Speaker 2: you like, you appreciate the older you get, you know. 730 00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:15,920 Speaker 1: What I mean, the best. No, he's one of my faves. 731 00:36:16,760 --> 00:36:19,880 Speaker 2: Great, let's move on to the pink House, Chuck, the 732 00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:20,560 Speaker 2: Last of the. 733 00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:22,920 Speaker 1: Last, the Last, John Mellencamp. 734 00:36:23,320 --> 00:36:25,239 Speaker 2: No, that's a little pink house. 735 00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:29,040 Speaker 1: This is just the pink house, that's right. This is 736 00:36:29,120 --> 00:36:33,480 Speaker 1: another image search quality or image search worthy kind of 737 00:36:33,520 --> 00:36:35,640 Speaker 1: thing to look up. If you're in a place where 738 00:36:35,640 --> 00:36:37,520 Speaker 1: you can do that, just type in Plum Island pink 739 00:36:37,600 --> 00:36:41,319 Speaker 1: house and you will see a quite large pink house 740 00:36:41,719 --> 00:36:44,400 Speaker 1: sitting in the middle of nothing, just. 741 00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:49,200 Speaker 2: A desolate marshland. Yeah, and it's it's just looking at it, 742 00:36:49,280 --> 00:36:52,080 Speaker 2: it's very eerie, especially now it's abandon it's kind of 743 00:36:52,200 --> 00:36:56,080 Speaker 2: ramshackle and run down. But it was built on Plum 744 00:36:56,239 --> 00:36:59,560 Speaker 2: Island and it's considered one of the all time great 745 00:36:59,600 --> 00:37:02,320 Speaker 2: example of a spite house. And a spite house is 746 00:37:02,360 --> 00:37:07,759 Speaker 2: basically any house wall structure that's built to get under 747 00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:11,480 Speaker 2: someone else's skin, right, so sometimes it's built to block 748 00:37:11,520 --> 00:37:14,960 Speaker 2: their view. We talked about Henry Clay Frick building a 749 00:37:15,040 --> 00:37:17,680 Speaker 2: mansion that was bigger than Andrew Carnegie's that would be 750 00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:20,640 Speaker 2: considered a spite house. And in America they go back 751 00:37:20,680 --> 00:37:23,480 Speaker 2: at least until eighteen o six. That was the earliest 752 00:37:23,520 --> 00:37:26,440 Speaker 2: one I could find. But this one on Plumb Island 753 00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:31,080 Speaker 2: off the coast of newberry Port, Massachusetts, which by the way, 754 00:37:31,120 --> 00:37:33,560 Speaker 2: is one of the more charming towns in the entire country. 755 00:37:34,120 --> 00:37:35,040 Speaker 1: Oh, I've never been there. 756 00:37:35,120 --> 00:37:39,040 Speaker 2: Oh, it's wonderful. That's where this pink house is. And 757 00:37:39,160 --> 00:37:41,400 Speaker 2: there's a great backstory to it that makes it a 758 00:37:41,480 --> 00:37:42,080 Speaker 2: spite house. 759 00:37:44,360 --> 00:37:47,080 Speaker 1: A lot of times the spite houses happen when a 760 00:37:47,160 --> 00:37:51,040 Speaker 1: couple gets divorced. It should come as no surprise, or 761 00:37:51,080 --> 00:37:52,759 Speaker 1: I should say probably a couples with a lot of 762 00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:55,879 Speaker 1: money get divorced, because what I've learned is in order 763 00:37:55,960 --> 00:37:59,120 Speaker 1: to have a spite house, you have to be rich. Right, Oh, 764 00:37:59,160 --> 00:38:01,839 Speaker 1: I'm just going to build that huge house to get 765 00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:04,160 Speaker 1: back at someone. It's a very privileged position to be in, 766 00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:08,279 Speaker 1: for sure, So you know I am judging. But in 767 00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:11,520 Speaker 1: twenty fifteen there was a New York Times article that 768 00:38:12,320 --> 00:38:14,000 Speaker 1: talked about this thing that was built, like you said, 769 00:38:14,040 --> 00:38:16,240 Speaker 1: in the middle of nowhere. It said it was overlooking 770 00:38:16,239 --> 00:38:19,840 Speaker 1: a vast landscape of pristine salt marsh. And it apparently 771 00:38:19,880 --> 00:38:22,280 Speaker 1: happened in nineteen twenty five when a couple got divorced 772 00:38:22,719 --> 00:38:27,080 Speaker 1: and the wife said, all right, we can get a divorce, 773 00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:32,239 Speaker 1: but you have to rebuild an exact duplicate of the 774 00:38:32,280 --> 00:38:33,920 Speaker 1: house we live in if you're kicking me out of it, 775 00:38:33,960 --> 00:38:36,360 Speaker 1: because I love it so much. And he went, no problem, 776 00:38:36,960 --> 00:38:39,360 Speaker 1: And so he built it. And he said, you didn't 777 00:38:39,400 --> 00:38:42,400 Speaker 1: say where, And he said, it just like that. 778 00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:44,520 Speaker 2: I bet yep, he did. So he built it on 779 00:38:44,600 --> 00:38:46,799 Speaker 2: Plumb Island. At the time, there was no one else 780 00:38:46,920 --> 00:38:52,360 Speaker 2: living there, no fresh water, no electricity. It was just 781 00:38:53,040 --> 00:38:55,799 Speaker 2: the worst place you could build a house. And he said, 782 00:38:55,840 --> 00:38:59,279 Speaker 2: there you go, there's your spite house. And he walked away, 783 00:39:00,320 --> 00:39:02,279 Speaker 2: rubbing the dust off of his hands or what do 784 00:39:02,360 --> 00:39:02,759 Speaker 2: you call that? 785 00:39:04,520 --> 00:39:07,759 Speaker 1: Yeah, that whatever, you clapping the dust off your hands. 786 00:39:07,840 --> 00:39:10,279 Speaker 2: Yeah, we need to come up with a name for that, right, yeah, 787 00:39:10,840 --> 00:39:14,439 Speaker 2: a snigglet yeah yeah. So yeah, that's how it ended. 788 00:39:14,520 --> 00:39:17,640 Speaker 2: And the story went that she lived there for a 789 00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:22,799 Speaker 2: while and sold it, and it actually was inhabited, weirdly enough, 790 00:39:23,560 --> 00:39:27,839 Speaker 2: by a succession of people up until twenty eleven. Yeah. 791 00:39:27,880 --> 00:39:29,239 Speaker 1: I mean, I guess if you're a loner and you 792 00:39:29,360 --> 00:39:31,000 Speaker 1: like the nature, it's not the worst place to be. 793 00:39:31,040 --> 00:39:33,480 Speaker 1: I just saw a sunset picture. It look pretty nice in. 794 00:39:33,520 --> 00:39:36,839 Speaker 2: That sense, Yes it did, But it's just I mean, 795 00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:42,399 Speaker 2: like the sea off of Massachusetts can be fairly unforgiving. So, yeah, 796 00:39:42,719 --> 00:39:46,040 Speaker 2: you know, this is an old house from the nineteen twenties, 797 00:39:46,160 --> 00:39:49,400 Speaker 2: Like you're it's gonna probably be kind of drafty depending 798 00:39:49,440 --> 00:39:50,239 Speaker 2: on the time of year. 799 00:39:50,640 --> 00:39:52,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, and I'm sure I'll keep on that thing as 800 00:39:52,880 --> 00:39:55,040 Speaker 1: you're probably repainting that thing every couple of years, right. 801 00:39:55,480 --> 00:39:57,520 Speaker 2: Yes, but you would have to paint a pink girls. 802 00:39:57,600 --> 00:39:59,360 Speaker 2: Everybody in newberry Port would hate you. 803 00:39:59,760 --> 00:40:02,799 Speaker 1: Yeah, you would have to. Apparently that it was lived 804 00:40:02,840 --> 00:40:06,600 Speaker 1: in until twenty eleven and then eventually was sold to 805 00:40:06,680 --> 00:40:10,239 Speaker 1: the Parker River National Wildlife Refuge in twenty twelve, and 806 00:40:10,760 --> 00:40:12,480 Speaker 1: you can't get to it now. It's off limits to 807 00:40:12,560 --> 00:40:15,600 Speaker 1: the public. But they're trying to make it an official 808 00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:19,040 Speaker 1: like protected house so it will stand forever. 809 00:40:19,840 --> 00:40:23,680 Speaker 2: And it was made out of spite or was right shock? 810 00:40:24,360 --> 00:40:26,080 Speaker 1: I don't know. Well, some people say that that was 811 00:40:26,120 --> 00:40:27,960 Speaker 1: just an urban legend and it was just a family 812 00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:28,799 Speaker 1: who lived out there. 813 00:40:29,640 --> 00:40:33,120 Speaker 2: Right, which is a much less interesting story. 814 00:40:33,239 --> 00:40:34,760 Speaker 1: So we're just going to spite whatsoever. 815 00:40:34,880 --> 00:40:36,640 Speaker 2: We're going to go with Spiite House for that one. 816 00:40:37,040 --> 00:40:38,360 Speaker 1: Agreed, All right. 817 00:40:38,280 --> 00:40:40,600 Speaker 2: Well that's it for things done out of spite. We 818 00:40:40,680 --> 00:40:43,759 Speaker 2: hope you enjoyed it. And since I said we hope 819 00:40:43,800 --> 00:40:46,080 Speaker 2: you enjoyed it, it's time for listener now. 820 00:40:48,480 --> 00:40:51,359 Speaker 1: So another recent one from automat. I love this real 821 00:40:51,440 --> 00:40:54,440 Speaker 1: time stuff. This, you know, I mentioned some sort of 822 00:40:54,520 --> 00:40:58,880 Speaker 1: episode on currency and how it affects things, And this 823 00:40:59,000 --> 00:40:59,880 Speaker 1: is from tree. 824 00:41:01,239 --> 00:41:03,919 Speaker 2: Tree. Okay, awesome, not a tree, but tree tree. 825 00:41:04,680 --> 00:41:07,520 Speaker 1: Hey, guys, Chuck, specifically, you mentioned in the Automate episode 826 00:41:07,520 --> 00:41:10,240 Speaker 1: you were trying to formulate something around how change affects 827 00:41:10,320 --> 00:41:13,239 Speaker 1: things our currency rather a look into the situation in 828 00:41:13,400 --> 00:41:16,200 Speaker 1: Zimbabwe that might help where it was too expensive to 829 00:41:16,280 --> 00:41:20,120 Speaker 1: import metal coins they had adopted the US dollar. It 830 00:41:20,200 --> 00:41:22,239 Speaker 1: was too expensive to import the metal because of weight, 831 00:41:23,120 --> 00:41:26,040 Speaker 1: so there was a huge chain shortage because store owners 832 00:41:26,080 --> 00:41:28,920 Speaker 1: couldn't give shoppers change, shoppers would have to purchase additional 833 00:41:29,000 --> 00:41:31,879 Speaker 1: items to try and get their total purchase as close 834 00:41:31,960 --> 00:41:34,480 Speaker 1: to the whole dollar amount. And he sent a New 835 00:41:34,560 --> 00:41:37,720 Speaker 1: York Times article and that, my friend, tree, is exactly 836 00:41:37,800 --> 00:41:40,200 Speaker 1: what I was talking about as something that could be 837 00:41:40,239 --> 00:41:43,240 Speaker 1: a part of that episode. So I appreciate that direction, 838 00:41:43,920 --> 00:41:51,000 Speaker 1: and that is specifically Tree March Shink, great name, three 839 00:41:51,520 --> 00:41:53,520 Speaker 1: tree Markshink from South Carolina. 840 00:41:54,160 --> 00:41:56,280 Speaker 2: Thanks a lot. That's a good one. And I remember 841 00:41:57,040 --> 00:42:00,799 Speaker 2: we talked a little bit about Zimbabwe's hyperinflation. Oh yeah, 842 00:42:00,800 --> 00:42:03,680 Speaker 2: where people were like showing up with actual weird wheelbarrows 843 00:42:03,719 --> 00:42:05,680 Speaker 2: of cash because it was just going nuts. 844 00:42:06,280 --> 00:42:07,120 Speaker 1: That was crazy. 845 00:42:07,200 --> 00:42:10,200 Speaker 2: I remember that, great, great example. Yeah, we've got to 846 00:42:10,280 --> 00:42:11,080 Speaker 2: do that episode. 847 00:42:11,680 --> 00:42:14,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, there's there's got to be more to it, for sure. 848 00:42:15,160 --> 00:42:16,759 Speaker 2: Well, if you want to be like Tree and fill 849 00:42:16,840 --> 00:42:18,959 Speaker 2: us in on something we've said we want to know about. 850 00:42:19,040 --> 00:42:21,600 Speaker 2: We love that kind of thing, you can send us 851 00:42:21,680 --> 00:42:25,200 Speaker 2: an email to Stuff podcast at iHeartRadio dot com. 852 00:42:29,040 --> 00:42:31,880 Speaker 1: Stuff you Should Know is a production of iHeartRadio. For 853 00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:36,120 Speaker 1: more podcasts my heart Radio, visit the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, 854 00:42:36,280 --> 00:42:38,080 Speaker 1: or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.