Speaker 1: The following. He's a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com
Speaker 1: and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. This he's Talking Cowboys
Speaker 1: screening live from the Dallas Cowboys World Hours at the
Speaker 1: Star in Frisco. Now, your hosts Nicky Spagnola, Rob Phillips,
Speaker 1: Everson Walls, and Bill Jones. And it's Tuesday, December thirty first,
Speaker 1: two thousand nineteen, the last day of two thousand nineteen,
Speaker 1: and the waiting game continues here inside the SWBC Mortgage
Speaker 1: Studios at the Star in Frisco. This is today's Jason
Speaker 1: and Jerry pregame show. Very good, Bill, Welcome to the
Speaker 1: Games show. I haven't seen any smoke come out of
Speaker 1: any window on the second floor up there, Okay, no
Speaker 1: people flying out of the window. Oh no, Vatican, yeah absolutely, yeah,
Speaker 1: No one's come, No one's been thrown out right. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And so here we are to discuss what's going on
Speaker 1: with this team as it's day number two of the
Speaker 1: twenty twenty off season for this team New decade. Well, yep,
Speaker 1: that's exactly right. It's tomorrow. Ye ter borrow, Micky don't.
Speaker 1: And when we end this show, Mickey do not say, well,
Speaker 1: see you next year. Or see you next decade. Okay,
Speaker 1: how many decades have you lived? For now getting into
Speaker 1: twenty twenty, he's a distractable player. I really got no,
Speaker 1: I just dismissed your joke. That's all all right. And again,
Speaker 1: supposedly Jason and Jerry are set to meet for a
Speaker 1: second straight day here at the Star in Frisco. Yesterday,
Speaker 1: Jason said the meeting would start around noon, and it
Speaker 1: started about three or four in the afternoon, And so
Speaker 1: we'll see if today's noon meeting starts at noon. It
Speaker 1: wasn't up to Jason anyway, that's exactly I think that's
Speaker 1: Jerry time here, and if he hasn't finished his player interviews,
Speaker 1: postgame postseason interviews, that it may not start at noon, right,
Speaker 1: Why everybody gets this noon thing? Hi? Noon? Yeah? I
Speaker 1: just got to stop watch on it. Yeah, so all right,
Speaker 1: soon get in my office. What is he saying goodbye
Speaker 1: to everyone? Is that what you think it is? I mean,
Speaker 1: what is the mean the interview talking about just just Jason?
Speaker 1: What did they do that with you guys? When my
Speaker 1: exit interview was with you guys? I remember that, you remember? No,
Speaker 1: I'm talking about Jimmy Johnson, about coach at the end
Speaker 1: of the season when you were still on the team.
Speaker 1: Oh no, no, no exit interviews they have with you.
Speaker 1: Oh we did not started that. I wonder when that started. No,
Speaker 1: not even when you were at the Giant Answer or anything.
Speaker 1: No one does exit interviews. Then that was back in
Speaker 1: the nineties. Care about that. We didn't do exiting. What
Speaker 1: about physical I don't recall one exit interview. Yeah, your
Speaker 1: physical was okay, there's a purpose in that. And and
Speaker 1: I just remember clean out my locker and you know,
Speaker 1: even when it was the season was over. It wasn't
Speaker 1: that I was leaving, but the season was over. You
Speaker 1: clean out your locker, takes some stuff home because you're
Speaker 1: not gonna be there almost every day looking at you know,
Speaker 1: the other guys instead of looking at your family. So yeah,
Speaker 1: that was that was it. That was the exit right there.
Speaker 1: Did did you use garbage bag back? We did not
Speaker 1: use garbage bags? No, no, no, we had we just
Speaker 1: had bags. Okay. Yeah, so we didn't have the walk
Speaker 1: of shame. There was no walk of shame or anything
Speaker 1: like that. Yeah. But what Jason has done at the
Speaker 1: end of every season as the head coaches, and they've
Speaker 1: done that all the head righteous right, and and the
Speaker 1: assistant coaches me with their position group the players as well.
Speaker 1: You know the quote unquote exit interviews. But I have
Speaker 1: no contract, Then why are you interviewing people? Well, you
Speaker 1: have no contract? So how does that he is still
Speaker 1: so he's interviewing j Jerry's giving him his exit interview.
Speaker 1: The thing that out the things that puzzled fans or
Speaker 1: media whoever, is that you know, the Browns and Giants
Speaker 1: would have had made made moves and they allowed coaches
Speaker 1: to do eggs interviews that they go ahead and made
Speaker 1: a change. So we'll see what they do. Um, but
Speaker 1: those teams had already exited. They could have done the
Speaker 1: interviews last week. That's that's true. True, That's that's true.
Speaker 1: They were not the case. Yeah, So then what is
Speaker 1: the purpose of Jerry meeting with Jason? You think, well,
Speaker 1: I guess they're gonna talk. Look, I don't think this
Speaker 1: is easy for Jerry. There's no doubt, you know, and
Speaker 1: and and I think I said it yesterday, But in
Speaker 1: the broadcast on Sunday, Troy Aikman was exactly right. He said,
Speaker 1: the las last thing Jerry Jones wants to do is
Speaker 1: not have Jason Garrett as his head coach, and that
Speaker 1: was before we knew at the end of the season.
Speaker 1: So and and he's right, this is not going to
Speaker 1: be easy for Jerry to call him in that office
Speaker 1: after all these years and say, Okay, this is what
Speaker 1: I decided now, because when he made this higher in
Speaker 1: twenty eleven, I'm sure he was hoping expecting it to
Speaker 1: be his last hire. He was hoping it was a
Speaker 1: Tom Landry's right, because he saves Tom Landry like right,
Speaker 1: very corporate, even tempered. You know, you won't see him
Speaker 1: flying off the handle. That's kind of what Jerry wanted.
Speaker 1: He wanted someone that would memory Tom Landry as opposed
Speaker 1: to Jimmy Johnson. I guess and didn't want that that
Speaker 1: he didn't want that guy. Maybe he pulls a Clint
Speaker 1: Murkison and comes out and says, I just signed him
Speaker 1: to ten year. But people have to remember this relationship
Speaker 1: goes back over twenty five years, really farther than that,
Speaker 1: because Jim Garrett has been a huge part of this
Speaker 1: organization too. I mean, this is there's a close relationship,
Speaker 1: a close bond here like Zone. Yeah, definitely, Like Mix said, this,
Speaker 1: this is not easy whatever. Here's the other part, relationship
Speaker 1: right to a person that you you don't know nearly
Speaker 1: as well as you knew Jason game with us. Here's
Speaker 1: the other part of it. Supposedly Jason's contract doesn't expire
Speaker 1: until January fourteenth. Okay, you get two weeks after the
Speaker 1: last the last game. Although there's been conflicting, does anybody
Speaker 1: really know Jake? I mean, Jake Glazer said Wednesday. But yeah,
Speaker 1: but then when you think about it, Wednesday's January first,
Speaker 1: you're probably saying, you know, twenty twenty. But I think
Speaker 1: you're right where you get to mean, why wouldn't why
Speaker 1: Why wouldn't expire Wednesday? If you were still playing this week?
Speaker 1: Why would it expire January fourteenth if you're still in
Speaker 1: the playoffs. No, you can say two weeks after the game. Yeah, so,
Speaker 1: but but beyond that, I think that there is value
Speaker 1: in Jerry picking Jason's brain about this team, this coaching staff,
Speaker 1: and so forth. Okay, as the season is going on,
Speaker 1: all right, you are not looking at the broad perspective
Speaker 1: on Okay, what is this coach like? What is that
Speaker 1: player like? Okay, because they've got and they've got twenty
Speaker 1: five unrestricted free agents, Jerry and Steven have to make
Speaker 1: decisions on do we bring this player back, do we
Speaker 1: do whatever? You're respectfully talking with Jason and well, the
Speaker 1: other part of it is, remember when Bill Parcels left
Speaker 1: and Jerry interviewed what ten candidates And one of the
Speaker 1: one of the reasons for doing that, and a lot
Speaker 1: of teams do this is they bring as many candidates
Speaker 1: as possible from as many organizations in so they can
Speaker 1: pick their brain on how they run things in Carolina
Speaker 1: or with the Rams or whatever, or you picked their
Speaker 1: brains on specific players. It might be free agents. This
Speaker 1: may be Jerry's way of having Jason interview for his job,
Speaker 1: you know, and to hear what he has to say
Speaker 1: about the team and about the way things have happened here.
Speaker 1: There are things that maybe go on on a coaching
Speaker 1: staff that Jerry and Stephen don't know about. That is,
Speaker 1: you don't really know about what a person is like
Speaker 1: on a coaching staff until you work alongside him. Okay,
Speaker 1: when when you when you hired a certain coach, maybe
Speaker 1: that coach you felt good about him, but then you
Speaker 1: work alongside him for a couple of years for you
Speaker 1: or whatever, and the guys on the inside say, wait,
Speaker 1: that was a problem. Those are types of things that
Speaker 1: Jerry can find out meeting with Jason, and I don't
Speaker 1: know that the okay, right now, it looks like Jason
Speaker 1: may not be a part of this organization, but who
Speaker 1: knows on down the road. You know. The only reason
Speaker 1: I disagree with that is because with the issues they've
Speaker 1: been having doing different stretches, I would think Jerry has
Speaker 1: already addressed a lot of them about the team. Right Um,
Speaker 1: I wouldn't present I possibility, no doubt and that And
Speaker 1: that's the only one I disagree with, because I would
Speaker 1: imagine he wasn't gonna wait till the end of the
Speaker 1: season to evaluate his players. He was he was trying
Speaker 1: to reevaluate when we went three and old and all
Speaker 1: of a sudden we start taking right. So I'm sure
Speaker 1: some of the perspective what my teams you would have
Speaker 1: exactly where do they go on? I'm sure they addressed
Speaker 1: that already, probably right after Thanksgiving. I'm sure right after
Speaker 1: Thanksgiving that was addressed, or even the three games stretch
Speaker 1: of games in twelve days, So I would imagine they
Speaker 1: already have that together. So to me, it still seems
Speaker 1: like another issue. I don't think that is the issue.
Speaker 1: That's the only reason I disagree on that. You know,
Speaker 1: the thing on the assistant coaches, though, is valid. I
Speaker 1: think maybe he And here's the other thing. I'm sure
Speaker 1: people are thinking, Oh, Jason Garrett so mad, He's just
Speaker 1: gonna pack up his bags and starm at the door.
Speaker 1: And that's not Jason, right. He will complete the job
Speaker 1: as they would every other year. Uh. And you don't
Speaker 1: burn any bridges. Who knows you're sixty years old, you're
Speaker 1: not coaching, and oh you need a scout? Yeah, I
Speaker 1: still would like to do some work, right, And so yeah,
Speaker 1: do you think Jerry wants to see Jason Garrett coaching
Speaker 1: the New York Giants? Uh? No, I do not think that.
Speaker 1: I mean that would be that's a nightmare. If he
Speaker 1: were to move on and go somewhere like that within
Speaker 1: the division and have immediate success. Here's wow. You know
Speaker 1: there's another reason why you make the giants come to
Speaker 1: you and ask permission to talk to your coach. Then
Speaker 1: he's still under contract to you or you or you Okay,
Speaker 1: they can wait until January fifteenth to talk to him.
Speaker 1: You know, I'll make you a deal. You can't talk
Speaker 1: to Jason, but he can talk to Chris Rashard. That's
Speaker 1: its definitely impossibility. Yes, yeah, and he didn't have to
Speaker 1: if and I think Chris probably still under contract, so
Speaker 1: you know, he didn't have to let him do that.
Speaker 1: But when it's a head coaching job, it's Richards contract
Speaker 1: up or you're saying he's under contract just as Jason
Speaker 1: is for the rest of this contract. And even if
Speaker 1: it was up, he would still have two weeks. And
Speaker 1: so I come and ask for man, he's a coordinator,
Speaker 1: he can go interview for a coaching job if he's
Speaker 1: under contractor or was he a coordinator? Well, he's he's
Speaker 1: a passing game he's not all I think there's a
Speaker 1: fine line. Yeah, he's pass game coordinator. But regardless, he's
Speaker 1: an assistant coach. He can go interview for a head
Speaker 1: coach coordinator or not coordinator matter. Yeah, otherwise anything below
Speaker 1: head coach considered a lot. He could not go interview
Speaker 1: for the defensive coordinator position with the Giants. Well, I'm
Speaker 1: you know, just as a black man, be proud for
Speaker 1: the hire, you know, I mean that would be great,
Speaker 1: be great for the Rooney rule and say, everything's working out,
Speaker 1: but the coaching that he did here, I don't know
Speaker 1: if he was. Um how how can I say I
Speaker 1: don't know if he was. His decisions may have been trumped,
Speaker 1: you know, the senior coach here. But I did not
Speaker 1: see a good product. I did not see a good
Speaker 1: product that he was coaching. You know what. It was
Speaker 1: interesting and Mickey and Rob you might mistake more insight
Speaker 1: on this. You know, it was that it was last
Speaker 1: season where much was made about the fact that Chris
Speaker 1: Richard is now calling the game during the game, Kay
Speaker 1: and Mary Nelly working hand in hand with We didn't
Speaker 1: hear as much about that or any about that this year.
Speaker 1: I don't think anybody asked, but I assume that's what
Speaker 1: it was still happening. Yeah, I think he still had
Speaker 1: a lot of a lot of input on it. And
Speaker 1: you know, even little things like, um, more pressure, well,
Speaker 1: there's more pressure that comes with for sure. And and
Speaker 1: Rod actually, you know these Thursday during the week where
Speaker 1: the coordinators speak. Rod gave Chris the opportunity to do
Speaker 1: that now and represent the defense alongside Kellen Moore every
Speaker 1: Thursday with media. I mean, he he wants him, you know,
Speaker 1: to be able to be visible and in position old
Speaker 1: and don't feel like doing that crap. Probably a little bit.
Speaker 1: You take responsibility for this, probably a little bit. Now
Speaker 1: I'm too old for this crap. It's like Chris six. Well,
Speaker 1: i'll tell you the other thing we did. You got
Speaker 1: a good defensive from I'll talk to the media. You
Speaker 1: talk to him. After that, I got this. Here's the
Speaker 1: other guy we hear so much about. Remember at the
Speaker 1: beginning of the season, the first six eight games, it
Speaker 1: was all about Kellen Moore colin plays. And now the
Speaker 1: last part we didn't hear much about, not much about that.
Speaker 1: Jason didn't. You didn't know Jason was calling the plays
Speaker 1: the last I think he was making some suggestions. By
Speaker 1: the way, And that's one thing I saw with Jason
Speaker 1: Garrett that you don't see with other coaches. I only
Speaker 1: saw him talking on his I rarely saw him speaking
Speaker 1: words doing a ball game, unless he's talking to the referee.
Speaker 1: He did, he did. TV just didn't show it, okay,
Speaker 1: And it's like the tree in the forest, you know,
Speaker 1: the camera doesn't catch it. It didn't happen, right, So
Speaker 1: when when when Amari Cooper's pouting on the sideline, you
Speaker 1: get a shot of it, and it's like, oh, I
Speaker 1: could have gotten the shot like that. Yeah right they did.
Speaker 1: They did? Yeah nice the end of the what the
Speaker 1: Philadelphia game? Yeah yeah, okay, oh he's not in the game.
Speaker 1: Look at their right. But this thing with Jason, we'll
Speaker 1: see what they do. But if they do indeed move on,
Speaker 1: and it's a day later than everybody expected, what is
Speaker 1: the big deal? Right? I mean, I mean everybody just
Speaker 1: wants the story. I don't think it stops them from
Speaker 1: if they again, if they move on looking toward who
Speaker 1: they want to look toward. I guess just everybody thought
Speaker 1: this was going to be this quick deal like the Kitchens,
Speaker 1: the Cleveland Browns and then in the other Giants, Yeah yeah,
Speaker 1: like in the what was it Lane Kiffin and the
Speaker 1: on the tarmac you know kind of thing like and
Speaker 1: and it came off the plane. Sorry, pack your bags.
Speaker 1: This is you know this. We'll see what happens. But
Speaker 1: this is an unusual circumstances, I think because the fans
Speaker 1: and some of them me that just want Jason gone
Speaker 1: so badly, you know, they just way to dump on
Speaker 1: him as as soon as this happens, and everybody has
Speaker 1: thought it's a fore gone conclusion ever since for the
Speaker 1: last like it was just done, you know, and and
Speaker 1: it's not yet, you know, we'll see and again that
Speaker 1: nothing official yet. Maybe we get word today, maybe we don't,
Speaker 1: you know, maybe we don't hear anything today. All I
Speaker 1: gotta say is whoever takes the job bars pretty high,
Speaker 1: buddy m because don't come in here and just tell
Speaker 1: me you won the NFC East, that that's been done right,
Speaker 1: Well there won a first round playoff game, and the
Speaker 1: well they will win the NFC East next year. Ye
Speaker 1: will not drag record that there will. The Eagles will
Speaker 1: not win the NFCS And we have had well, letting hand,
Speaker 1: the Cowboys have one one and every other year since
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Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys. Back to talking Cowboys. Talking Cowboys continues here
Speaker 1: as the waiting game continues. The Cowboy players, some of
Speaker 1: them still hanging out around here, some waiting to do
Speaker 1: their exit interviews until today because there was too long
Speaker 1: a line to get into the offices, or they didn't
Speaker 1: get in time to do their physicals. There you go.
Speaker 1: There's all sorts of reasons, although five of those guys
Speaker 1: hurried up and signed their futures contract. You got that
Speaker 1: little bit off the top of my head. I'd have
Speaker 1: to go back and look it up, all right, because
Speaker 1: I'm an intrepid reporter for you, Jordan Chun, Yes, those
Speaker 1: are two recognizable names, right, all right? Did you ever
Speaker 1: figure out how how to pronounce the tight Ends name?
Speaker 1: Cole Haikutini? That sounds good, Okay, get it for you?
Speaker 1: Tight End Tevin Jones, Center, Marcus Henry, d B d J.
Speaker 1: White and that's it. No Thorson, Oh, I don't have
Speaker 1: him on my list. QB. Clayton Thorson on the list.
Speaker 1: I did not see his name on it. Okay, I
Speaker 1: guess he's not on the list. Maybe he's looking for
Speaker 1: a different future contract contracts, which means they'll be in
Speaker 1: training well, they'll be in the off season program. If
Speaker 1: they make it through the offseason program, then they'll be
Speaker 1: in training camp and they'll be cut on September first. Okay, Wow,
Speaker 1: did you get clarification on Michael Bennet. Yeah, he's got
Speaker 1: a different designation. He's listed as not unrestricted to be
Speaker 1: or restricted to be. He's just free agent. So I
Speaker 1: I assume that means he could sign. He could sign
Speaker 1: a future still right if he wanted to, if he
Speaker 1: wants to keep playing. You know, he's thirty four. This
Speaker 1: would be his twelfth season. He's been He's bounced around
Speaker 1: a lot um. He can't sign with the team right
Speaker 1: now for the playoffs though. I don't know the answer
Speaker 1: to that exactly. Yeah, I'm not. Maybe you knew, but
Speaker 1: you would tell, Oh, now you get sometimes I didn't.
Speaker 1: I didn't ask that the answer before you ask the question,
Speaker 1: what is the answer, then I have no idea. I
Speaker 1: don't know. I didn't ask first. I've learned because I
Speaker 1: just saw him listed as void, like his contract was avoided. Well,
Speaker 1: they did, right, they but it was two probably renegotiated.
Speaker 1: They dropped the last year on the contract. So let's
Speaker 1: say he is a free agent. He does he count
Speaker 1: as an unrestricted free agent in that he would count
Speaker 1: in the pool where you could get a compensatory draft
Speaker 1: pick the next year if you signed. Okay, I don't
Speaker 1: think so. That's probably the reason for the designation. Do
Speaker 1: we as a cowboy to do we want him back
Speaker 1: thirty four years old based on his awfully productive when
Speaker 1: he was in there. Yeah, and you're talking about no preparation,
Speaker 1: you know, you're just talking about the guy that came
Speaker 1: in here and we threw him in the mix, had
Speaker 1: a short shelf life the last four or five teams
Speaker 1: he's been with, or whatever reason. It's sounded like old Philly,
Speaker 1: New England. And yeah, and maybe he doesn't want to
Speaker 1: keep doing that, you know, but but it sounded like
Speaker 1: things went well for him when he was here. And
Speaker 1: he is from the East Texas area, so yeah, that
Speaker 1: might be a convenience for him to say, you know what,
Speaker 1: I'm about to settle down thirty four years old, maybe
Speaker 1: thirty five by the time the season starts. Let me
Speaker 1: see if I can settle in here. Depending on who
Speaker 1: the coach is, depending on what the Cowboys want to
Speaker 1: do and how much they want to pay him exactly.
Speaker 1: You know, that's what it comes down to, right, Well,
Speaker 1: I mean when you're in your last you know it's
Speaker 1: coming around your last year, you just never know what
Speaker 1: kind of compromise can be made, right, that'd be interesting.
Speaker 1: I think if I could use another million dollars, Yeah,
Speaker 1: just a just a meal, maybe a meal five yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: And it depends who's gonna be coaching this defense, sure,
Speaker 1: and what defense you're playing. Yeah, if he's been around
Speaker 1: the league that many times, there might be a connection
Speaker 1: with whoever comes in, you know that be six degrees
Speaker 1: whoever comes in, And I mean it might be something positible.
Speaker 1: But if Wade Phillips came back here and they're running
Speaker 1: a three four, he may not fit in a three
Speaker 1: four way then coming back way. And if you if
Speaker 1: you look, well, not even Wade, if you just look
Speaker 1: at the personnel on this club, they ain't got three
Speaker 1: four personnel right right, show me four linebackers. Two of
Speaker 1: them are big enough to stand on the line of
Speaker 1: scrimmage and rush the quarterback. One one's gonna have next
Speaker 1: surgery and tour impending free agents and man, you look
Speaker 1: across this rosied to do one might retired. Yeah, Sean, Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's possible, possible. Sounded like he's leaning towards coming back,
Speaker 1: but he said, he said, but he's more encouraged now
Speaker 1: than he was last year that he can keep doing
Speaker 1: this doing at a high level. Now, he's gonna sit
Speaker 1: down and talk about it. But I think they want
Speaker 1: him back if he wants to be back. Didn't he
Speaker 1: play sixteen games sixty time first time a while? Right?
Speaker 1: And right it is we have and he had to
Speaker 1: and he had to serve as a starter those last
Speaker 1: five or six games with vander Ish out, but he
Speaker 1: was starting earlier and he was in the Yeah. And
Speaker 1: but I'm not a little bit lower. And if you
Speaker 1: noticed though, when they when it was almost the end
Speaker 1: of the first quarter that they put Malcolm Smith on
Speaker 1: the nickel when there was two linebackers and he came out. Um.
Speaker 1: So I don't know if that was an indication of
Speaker 1: his ability to chase down on the in the passing
Speaker 1: game or whatever he was the inability to cover tight ends, yeah,
Speaker 1: because that's when it was definitely a pat third in
Speaker 1: a passing situation. He was off the field. Milk. And
Speaker 1: now now that's another case Malcolm Smith. You know, I'm
Speaker 1: sure he wants to look and see what's out there.
Speaker 1: But you know that wasn't all that bad for a
Speaker 1: backup line back. And if you look at Sean Lee's career,
Speaker 1: if he comes back again, if they want him back,
Speaker 1: then he could be a at least the first second down. Yeah. Absolutely,
Speaker 1: And then like you say, bringing in the Malcolm Smith
Speaker 1: or maybe we might sign someone else that can really
Speaker 1: come on third down. And Nichols good to have him
Speaker 1: in the locker room. You know, the same thing with
Speaker 1: Kai Forbath too. You know, you might have found yourself
Speaker 1: a kicker man. Uh. You know, I talked to him
Speaker 1: and he's like, well, I'm heading back to LA and
Speaker 1: we'll kind of see what happens. And no, he's an
Speaker 1: LA guy. He didn't that's where he's from. Okay. And
Speaker 1: he did say he didn't say, well they told me
Speaker 1: to stay close or whatever, and so um, you know,
Speaker 1: and he was like he goes, you know I did.
Speaker 1: I did more kicking than this year than I would
Speaker 1: have if I had a full time job, because you're
Speaker 1: always training and then you're going to these workouts. Uh,
Speaker 1: and then you know you're trying to make sure you're
Speaker 1: in shape. Your body's got to be now. And he said,
Speaker 1: I probably kicked more this year than I having a
Speaker 1: long time. I said, so when you kick again, he goes,
Speaker 1: I'll take probably march, you know, and just back off
Speaker 1: and get my leg stronger. Well, I got to say
Speaker 1: I was impressed. Yeah, you know, I'm hoping he comes back.
Speaker 1: It's always good to have that field goal kicker that
Speaker 1: you know you can count on. Uh nineteen ninety Giants
Speaker 1: part Sales is always good with special teams. That was
Speaker 1: a big thing for him, and he always wanted that
Speaker 1: kicker that he could rely on. Matt bar that was
Speaker 1: the guy kicked five in San Francisco. Yah, send us
Speaker 1: to U down to Tampa to beat the Bills. But
Speaker 1: you want to me big kicks are amazing. We had that.
Speaker 1: But I yeah, yeah, me and Matt boy best friends.
Speaker 1: Let's just be real about that here, and we kiss
Speaker 1: when we see each other. That's how much I love
Speaker 1: this guy. He got me my ring. But when we
Speaker 1: started talking about accuracy, four bath was down the middle
Speaker 1: every time. I'm not and that to me, it wasn't
Speaker 1: just about that. They made the field goals. It was
Speaker 1: the fact that they were true. And when you when
Speaker 1: you know they're true, then you have you have much
Speaker 1: more confidence in your game plan. Now, now you know
Speaker 1: you can count on that forty forty five yards or
Speaker 1: forty nine fifty yep, and that's what you need. That's
Speaker 1: what you need. That way you can go forward with
Speaker 1: your game plan and not have to say, Okay, the
Speaker 1: field goal kickers set us back. We want field goal
Speaker 1: kickers that are going to advance our cause. And he
Speaker 1: did it every time he was called upon. Yeah, it
Speaker 1: wasn't like us off the tea box, right, No, exactly,
Speaker 1: don't have a don't have a gallery while I'm teeing off. Okay,
Speaker 1: nobody's gonna get it. Yeah, But back to the defense
Speaker 1: just real quick. As we talked about Michael Bennett though, man,
Speaker 1: you look at and we got a lot of time
Speaker 1: to get into this, but every level of the defense
Speaker 1: they've got major decisions to make. We talked about the linebackers.
Speaker 1: Robert Quinn's going to be a free agent, hew me.
Speaker 1: The list of free agents, go for it. Defensive line,
Speaker 1: Michael Bennett, Robert Quinn, MALIEK. Collins, Christian Cuvington, Kerry Hyder.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, that's the exclusive rights free agents. And then
Speaker 1: Daniel Ross signed to a futures contract. A linebacker, Sean Lee,
Speaker 1: Malcolm Smith, Joe Thomas, Ray Ray Armstrong who was here
Speaker 1: for a day, and justin March dbs Byron Jones, Jeff Heath,
Speaker 1: Anthony Brown, Cavan Frazier, c J. Goodwin, Darien Thompson. That's
Speaker 1: a lot of names. One six dbs, five linebackers and
Speaker 1: five defensive linemen. There's a lot of names, but from
Speaker 1: a defense with a lot of disappointments. So what does
Speaker 1: that do for you? You know? Are they just names?
Speaker 1: Do we do we keep them? You know? I'm just
Speaker 1: how talented are these guys? Yeah, they can be talented
Speaker 1: all they want. I'm can they make a play? I'm
Speaker 1: legitimately asking how talented are these guys? But because coming
Speaker 1: in the season, this team has so much talent sort
Speaker 1: of quote unquote talent, how much talent was really on
Speaker 1: that defense? If we're go ahead, I was gonna say,
Speaker 1: if you're looking at the defensive line, I mean, what
Speaker 1: you want back? I mean you would love to have
Speaker 1: Quinn back? I think right? And Malie Collins was sneaky
Speaker 1: good one is great, so it being interesting with his
Speaker 1: market value is right. The rest of the guys, I'd
Speaker 1: like Kerry Hyder as a you know, minimum wage veteran guy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and he's from his energy. He wants to do that again,
Speaker 1: that's fine, but I'm not rotation expending, right, big buck
Speaker 1: exactly right? Yeah, resources the linebackers, Yeah, you'd like to
Speaker 1: have Sean Lee back. What do you think Sean would
Speaker 1: be willing to take a pay cut? Well, he already
Speaker 1: took one this year. Well, once again we have to
Speaker 1: sell her. He was only making two and a half million. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so he's already down for whatever. So that's about if
Speaker 1: you can get him back for that, sure, why not?
Speaker 1: The big one to me is Byron Jones because if
Speaker 1: the CBA stays in place this spring, then you can
Speaker 1: you can still franchise a couple of guys. If it
Speaker 1: has to be Dak and Amari. What what does that
Speaker 1: leave for Byron? You know, does he go elsewhere seek
Speaker 1: another a larger deal? And if so, no picks this year,
Speaker 1: but last year either, Lord last year either. But he's
Speaker 1: your most consistent guy cover man on a secondary that
Speaker 1: that struggled and that, and that's what you have to
Speaker 1: be very sneaky when it comes to cornerbacks and defensive backs,
Speaker 1: sometimes not hearing your name. He's a good thing, right,
Speaker 1: And there a lot of times in the ball game
Speaker 1: where we we did not hear Biling Jones's name, right,
Speaker 1: and that's good. Be good at bad depends on if
Speaker 1: it's guy I was catching the ball, If his wide
Speaker 1: receiver hadn't been mentioned as well, which happened more than
Speaker 1: a few games, then you're looking at a solid player.
Speaker 1: Now do you want to invest a lot of money
Speaker 1: into a guy who can't make turnovers or seems to
Speaker 1: have an inability to get interceptions, which are just it's
Speaker 1: not an ego thing for me. I want to make
Speaker 1: sure people understand that out there, you guys know just
Speaker 1: because he had fifty seven picks in his career turning
Speaker 1: off the mic, but all it is is it's a necessity.
Speaker 1: That's like saying you have a running back that can't
Speaker 1: catch a pass. He's limited. He's limited, and lets you know,
Speaker 1: you're not gonna look for him to do any type
Speaker 1: of receiving. So he's a one dimensional running back. And
Speaker 1: as far as defensive backs are, concerned if you don't
Speaker 1: have the ability to hit somebody hard enough to where
Speaker 1: he fumbles all the time, or you a guy that
Speaker 1: punches that all the time like Jake read ed Reid
Speaker 1: did all the time. Get the interception. You gotta come
Speaker 1: with something else and I can just cover my guide
Speaker 1: and so and so here's the other thing on that too.
Speaker 1: What's the alternative? But the alternative? And then what's the
Speaker 1: market value? Byron? And seeing here, here's another one you
Speaker 1: might be able to get a good deal on is
Speaker 1: Anthony Brown because he missed half the season. So what's
Speaker 1: he got in free agency to market himself. You might
Speaker 1: get him on a one year, prove it deal, like
Speaker 1: you come back. We need that depth. And I think
Speaker 1: they missed him. I think they missed him a lot.
Speaker 1: I disagree totally. I totally disagree. I just I thought
Speaker 1: he was a nice little player. I just didn't think
Speaker 1: he had anything to the secondary. He was just pretty
Speaker 1: much what we already had. You know, a guy that
Speaker 1: was athletic, has no ball presence, has no route recognition,
Speaker 1: but he's athletic, right, I want we still need to
Speaker 1: go out and get a defensive back that can make plays. Okay,
Speaker 1: that's just all of this is to it. We've been
Speaker 1: been going out getting these guys. Oh way, he was
Speaker 1: on the practice field for two years. I don't want
Speaker 1: to hear all of that crap. We gotta gets the
Speaker 1: players in here. That's like. That's like I'm sitting there
Speaker 1: watching Kansas City the other day and Tyrone Matthew has
Speaker 1: made plays in his entire career, going back to his
Speaker 1: grade school career. Here you can see at the combine
Speaker 1: he was so much better than anybody on that field
Speaker 1: at the combine, his ball skills, everything about the way
Speaker 1: he plays, and he's played like that throughout his career.
Speaker 1: And he was available in free agency this passed off season.
Speaker 1: Kansas City him up. Wasn't a scheme fit here, right An.
Speaker 1: We don't like people to make plays the scheme fit.
Speaker 1: We don't. He doesn't fit into our scheme of not
Speaker 1: getting into step. But I think he's a classic example
Speaker 1: of that guy just makes play and you talk about
Speaker 1: knocking the ball out, I mean just that it's instinctive.
Speaker 1: Thank you, Bill. If you've got a guy that's instinctive,
Speaker 1: you have to be able to know that. If you
Speaker 1: can see it, then why can't I scout see it.
Speaker 1: And don't get me on scouts because I was a
Speaker 1: freaking free agent coming out of the GRAM and I
Speaker 1: need to show you my big gree NFL sut So
Speaker 1: the bottom line on all these free agents. So we
Speaker 1: just noted mentioned there's only a few priority ones that
Speaker 1: you say, Okay, I gotta have them back. I agree
Speaker 1: with that too. Right, you don't need to sign twenty five.
Speaker 1: You don't. You don't need to. You could let two
Speaker 1: thirds of them go. Right, Let's just be real, you
Speaker 1: can let two thirds of them go. I mean, let
Speaker 1: let's let's be fair. Dak right, yep uh, Coop Coop
Speaker 1: Pollard's gonna test market even with Cooper. With Cooper, there's
Speaker 1: a question on Cooper, now, I mean well, and there well,
Speaker 1: but there are other receivers are gonna be on them?
Speaker 1: What you guys, what's the alternative? Right? And there are
Speaker 1: a lot of alternatives. He was coming out and these
Speaker 1: guys us studs, right, they are STU stud now right,
Speaker 1: And I like Cobb. I want Cob back, right, Okay?
Speaker 1: Is is he he created? Yes, I gotta have copy. Right,
Speaker 1: you gotta have him back. But you got him on
Speaker 1: a one year, sweetheart. Yes, we get him in the
Speaker 1: Quinn category of maybe he gets a bigger offer somewhere
Speaker 1: else because he has solid year. We'll see, but his
Speaker 1: age zero, so Witten's probably I think he's gonna retire. Uh,
Speaker 1: Cam Fleming, They've got an option if I can find
Speaker 1: better find uh same thing with Looney. You know he
Speaker 1: may be happy here. Sue of Field's coming off an
Speaker 1: ankle uh surgery. You know you might get him cheap.
Speaker 1: So you know that's that's Those are the offensive guys
Speaker 1: in defensive guys. That's another resource that is plentiful. Yeah,
Speaker 1: which position, big tight ends, the tight ends, amazing tight ends.
Speaker 1: And those are the studs that they're coming out now.
Speaker 1: They're plentiful. You don't have to worry about that. You've
Speaker 1: got a wealth of resources in that regard. You want
Speaker 1: to me, I don't want to just keep and I
Speaker 1: don't want to be disrespectful for these guys. I want
Speaker 1: people with more instinctive abilities. I don't care about the
Speaker 1: computer program and how fast and how strong they are.
Speaker 1: Somebody that's been known to make plays when when when
Speaker 1: their team needs it, not just a guy that can
Speaker 1: go out there when you don't need. I mean a
Speaker 1: guy that can go out there and be impactful in
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