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Speaker 1: with Nick Eatman, David Hellman, and bar Garcia and Derek Eagleton.
Speaker 1: It is Thursday, August first, two thousand, nineteen, Season fifteen,
Speaker 1: episode number eighteen. Welcome to another edition of The Break.
Speaker 1: Amber's cool, but we all feel really good out here
Speaker 1: in Oxnard, California. It's a beautiful day. Cowboys take the
Speaker 1: field again this afternoon. Um they have, they were off yesterday.
Speaker 1: They'll be out for walk through this morning and then
Speaker 1: their regular practice at three thirty pm Pacific time for
Speaker 1: the five thirty. Few guys back in Dallas, and we'll
Speaker 1: be here to cover it all. But for the next
Speaker 1: hour we're talking Cowboys football with you, guys. How's everybody
Speaker 1: feeling this morning? Outstanding? Outstanding as great? Cold? No, yeah, cool?
Speaker 1: All right, we got a lot we want to talk
Speaker 1: about today. We are now a quarter of the way
Speaker 1: through training camp practices, and so we're gonna do a
Speaker 1: quarterly review. I have a lot of questions I'm gonna
Speaker 1: throw at these guys. We're gonna see what their thoughts are.
Speaker 1: It's gonna give you guys a full picture of the
Speaker 1: kinds of things we've seen over these first four practices
Speaker 1: that the Cowboys have had in ox RD. But before
Speaker 1: we get to that, I do also want to make
Speaker 1: a quick programming note. This morning we put out the
Speaker 1: first edition of a program that actually Nick is running
Speaker 1: point on with our our production team, called The Process. Nick,
Speaker 1: you want to tell people what the process is and
Speaker 1: what they should expect from this show. Well, as they've
Speaker 1: heard of the term several times, everything we do here
Speaker 1: is a process and that stems from obviously really Jason Garrett.
Speaker 1: But he's right, you know, he just says that a lot.
Speaker 1: But that's why everyone kind of makes fun of the name.
Speaker 1: But um, the process is something we've been working on
Speaker 1: here this last week, just trying to go behind the
Speaker 1: scenes as much as possible. Again, as much as possible
Speaker 1: mud whether it be you know, the team traveling to
Speaker 1: California or inside some of the meeting rooms. I know
Speaker 1: one of the things was Jerry Jones addressing to the
Speaker 1: team got kind of emotional to the team, and we
Speaker 1: captured that. We have Jason Garrett talking to the team
Speaker 1: and uh huddle, Gary Brown miked up. There's some there's
Speaker 1: some really good segments there, and we're gonna try to
Speaker 1: do that here throughout training camp. So you've seen that
Speaker 1: the show. It's nothing, you know, unique, but it's unique,
Speaker 1: I guess for us to do it out here with
Speaker 1: the Cowboys and for us to do it. Yeah. One
Speaker 1: piece that thought was really interesting was the piece that
Speaker 1: started with the running backs uh sitting having a barbecue
Speaker 1: dinner And actually we shot that back in June when
Speaker 1: Zeke was still with the team, and some really good
Speaker 1: Footish man I tweeted that this morning that although you
Speaker 1: kind of see a piece of that and here's some
Speaker 1: of that conversation that happened, there's a longer piece to
Speaker 1: that we're going to probably put out a little later
Speaker 1: this summer, hopefully by the n Zeke might be back
Speaker 1: with the team, right and we'll have a little more
Speaker 1: to show you guys. But actually maybe you speak right
Speaker 1: and but it was but a really good video and
Speaker 1: good job with that, you guys can expect it. We'll
Speaker 1: be doing those every week throughout training camp for the
Speaker 1: next four or five weeks. So you check that out
Speaker 1: and you can see it on any one of our platforms.
Speaker 1: You got our website, mobile app, connected TV, all that stuff.
Speaker 1: All right, So let's start, as we normally start, with
Speaker 1: a little bit of blanket coverage. I have some statements
Speaker 1: for you guys that will be a blank You fill
Speaker 1: in the blank. The first statement, Michael Thomas, wide receiver
Speaker 1: for the Saints, signed a five year extension worth one
Speaker 1: hundred million dollars over five years, averaging about twenty million
Speaker 1: a year, with sixty one million guaranteed. A Marie Cooper
Speaker 1: should expect blank Dave, Amari Cooper should expect the lore
Speaker 1: of his deal to have raised a little bit. But
Speaker 1: I think I think he already knew that. You know this,
Speaker 1: We knew this was coming. We knew the Saints we're
Speaker 1: gonna get it done. We also know Amari Cooper is
Speaker 1: not going to set the receiver market. I don't like
Speaker 1: nobody in the world expects that to happen. I don't
Speaker 1: think even Amari does. But it just raises the floor
Speaker 1: of what you're capable of asking for. Odell Beckham used
Speaker 1: to set the market at eighteen. Now that's second, and
Speaker 1: so now you know sixteen, all of a sudden, fifteen
Speaker 1: to seventeen doesn't look so shiny. So no, he's not
Speaker 1: gonna set the market. But somewhere between seventeen and eighteen
Speaker 1: per years probably what I think Amario'll get. So again
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't think it's a big surprise, but
Speaker 1: it raises the minimum of what he's capable of asking for.
Speaker 1: Amar should expect what Nick something soon? I mean, I
Speaker 1: think it's kind of what they were waiting for, right,
Speaker 1: I don't think, and Cooper is not really in a
Speaker 1: big hurry, but I don't know if O'Dell's making eighteens.
Speaker 1: See Odell's the one that's gonna come come back in
Speaker 1: this whole deal and want to go over the top
Speaker 1: on that. Well, Julio is still out there as well.
Speaker 1: He's asked for a new Dealio is another one to watch.
Speaker 1: But I don't think that matters. I really don't, because
Speaker 1: Julio is going to go over that, and I don't
Speaker 1: think Cooper goes over that. I mean, I think Cooper
Speaker 1: is sitting at so you don't think, because that would
Speaker 1: raise an interesting question if you think that Amari at
Speaker 1: the end of the day, wants to be the highest
Speaker 1: paid receiver, and he waits for Julio, and Julio goes
Speaker 1: over there. Does I don't don't think that, And I
Speaker 1: think he's kind of come out and said that. I mean,
Speaker 1: nothing about the way he has behaved or talked to
Speaker 1: this offseason suggests he wants that. I like, it's like
Speaker 1: he's just he's the simplest one for me, because like
Speaker 1: he's not making a fuss. I don't think even his
Speaker 1: agent thinks he's supposed to be the highest paid when
Speaker 1: you look at what Michael Thomas has done for the
Speaker 1: first three years of his career, when you look at
Speaker 1: what Julio Jones has done for a decade, at this point,
Speaker 1: he should probably be somewhere between three and six. And
Speaker 1: I think that's where he will be when it's all
Speaker 1: said and done. It's the same thing for Dak Prescott
Speaker 1: for that matter. It's just that everybody kind of agrees
Speaker 1: on Coop, whereas very few people have can figure out
Speaker 1: how they feel about Dak Amber Amari Cooper should expect
Speaker 1: a crop ton of money. Very simple, I'll be honest.
Speaker 1: I mean, I just think that either way, he's gonna
Speaker 1: make a ton of money and yeah it doesn't matter. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's crab ton of money. Yeah. And you know, when
Speaker 1: it comes to contract talks and money and cap salary
Speaker 1: and blah blah blah, I'm not an expert. I would
Speaker 1: have said the other word. Yeah, I know you would have.
Speaker 1: But you know, I keep, I try to keep. You
Speaker 1: appreciate that. Yeah, all right, So here's the next statement.
Speaker 1: Steven's response to the contract, when asked if it raises
Speaker 1: the price for Mari, was no, I think it's probably
Speaker 1: in line with what we were thinking. I've got a
Speaker 1: little better number than that a Mari should expect blank.
Speaker 1: Nick after hearing what Steven says Steven, after hearing what
Speaker 1: Steve even said, does that change what a mare he
Speaker 1: should expect? Is what I'm asking. But here was Steven's quote, again, No,
Speaker 1: I think it's probably in line with what we were thinking.
Speaker 1: I've got a little better number than that. I've got
Speaker 1: a better number than that. Is he talking about him
Speaker 1: talking about He was asked about specifically Michael Thomas's deal,
Speaker 1: and in this response to whether he thinks that affects
Speaker 1: what they were going to do with a Mari His
Speaker 1: response was, no, I think it's probably in line with
Speaker 1: what we were thinking. I've got a little better number.
Speaker 1: Part it's fine, that's a find number. Yeah, I don't
Speaker 1: know what that means, because I will be shocked if
Speaker 1: a Mari's deal tops Thomas's. Maybe really, because that's what
Speaker 1: That's the impression I got from the quote was we
Speaker 1: actually were thinking a little bit more than It's almost
Speaker 1: like I've got a better idea now, like it's like
Speaker 1: he's got a better idea, because why would he say that?
Speaker 1: Though he also said he said probably in the same interview,
Speaker 1: if I had to guess, he said, and we're damn
Speaker 1: sure not going to be market setters. That was the
Speaker 1: art that was for any of those guys, which that
Speaker 1: which is why I'll be shot. I mean, I don't
Speaker 1: expect him the top uh um Thomas. So maybe he's
Speaker 1: talking about more guarantees. Maybe, And you know, Jerry and
Speaker 1: Stephen Jones have been quick to mention the marketing aspect
Speaker 1: that comes along with being a cornerstone from Cowboys, so
Speaker 1: maybe he was talking about that. Why do I feel
Speaker 1: like his jersey number is gonna be in in play here?
Speaker 1: And why do I feel like it's gonna be that.
Speaker 1: It's gonna be the round nineteen nineteen for nineteen, Like,
Speaker 1: I just feel like that's affect I like nineteen for
Speaker 1: nineteen and nineteen in nineteen. I didn't think about that. Damn. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we got a lot of lever. Let's do it. Get
Speaker 1: the graphic people working on it. All right, let's jump
Speaker 1: into our quarterly review. I have us some questions here.
Speaker 1: It's roughly about eight or nine questions made. The point
Speaker 1: is to make you think I'm gonna make you gift
Speaker 1: thoughtful answers. Can you do that? Yeah? And just I
Speaker 1: helped you with them, so yeah, I can only help
Speaker 1: me with two of them. Okay, I want to quibble room,
Speaker 1: that's not fair. If you prepare for well, we're gonna
Speaker 1: be fine. Don't worry. Well he wrote a couple of them.
Speaker 1: Go ahead, how about I was in the tent before
Speaker 1: the shows. It's two practices. It's two practices, not for
Speaker 1: right routes on air don't count. So like to call
Speaker 1: this a quarterly review feels, you know, I feel like
Speaker 1: sixteen practices they've had. I know I knew you were
Speaker 1: gonna lay all right. I feel like I should no
Speaker 1: way more from this team right now, and I don't
Speaker 1: can only watch two I will. I will say this too, Lamber.
Speaker 1: I actually feel the exact same way as I was
Speaker 1: writing some of these. Some of these are going to
Speaker 1: rely on you taking kind of what you know of
Speaker 1: the player from last year, what you know of them
Speaker 1: from the offseason, and then compare that to the two
Speaker 1: practices you've had to see if that corroborates what you
Speaker 1: can involves a great game. All right, let's do it.
Speaker 1: I think this is a good idea and a great game.
Speaker 1: You're doing it. Guess why you and I've been doing
Speaker 1: this for fifteen years. It's because Dave, you should know
Speaker 1: by now. As soon as you start questioning this, he's like, well,
Speaker 1: you know what tomorrow to show, right exactly, And I'll
Speaker 1: be sitting over here like talking about let's go right
Speaker 1: here we go. First question, who's more prime for a
Speaker 1: breakout year? Xavier Woods or Connor Williams. Xavier Woods because
Speaker 1: he plays a position that enables him to do that.
Speaker 1: I mean, you know nobody looks at offensive line except
Speaker 1: for the tip us. Well yeah, I mean obviously people do,
Speaker 1: but it's way harder to stand out, especially when there's
Speaker 1: so many other great players on that offensive line, but
Speaker 1: let's put it all in relative terms. And I'm not
Speaker 1: talking so much about for the purposes of fan fair
Speaker 1: I'm talking more from the purposes of an evaluator who's
Speaker 1: looking at this team and saying, man, this player went
Speaker 1: from being a decent player to being a really great
Speaker 1: player who's had the who's in, who's better prepared to
Speaker 1: have that kind of breakout year. The last thing we
Speaker 1: saw before the off day was Xavier Woods pick six.
Speaker 1: Dak Prescott read him like a book. It was a
Speaker 1: beautiful play and he was I mean, he's he has
Speaker 1: gotten better every year of his career. They didn't draft
Speaker 1: the safety because that's how in love they are with
Speaker 1: Xavier Woods. That's Chris Richard, that's coming out of his mouth.
Speaker 1: So Savior Woods. All right, Amber, Well, I'm gonna go
Speaker 1: with Connor. I mean why because we're buddies now, he's
Speaker 1: my buddy. No, no, no, I think he's made you
Speaker 1: can tell and with us just seeing two practices here,
Speaker 1: you can already tell the difference between last year and
Speaker 1: the change in his body and the strength that he
Speaker 1: has gained. Yes, Xavier Woods, I like what I've seen
Speaker 1: so far, but I don't want to get too excited
Speaker 1: just yet, because I've seen that happen before, where you're
Speaker 1: at training camp and you're making place, intercepting the ball
Speaker 1: and this and that, but then once the season comes,
Speaker 1: it kind of fades away and disappears a little bit.
Speaker 1: So I'm not ready to jump on that train of
Speaker 1: the Xavier Woods have faith in him. I like what
Speaker 1: I see so far, but let's wait a little bit.
Speaker 1: The one thing I will say that that might make
Speaker 1: you feel a little bit better about that is usually
Speaker 1: I agree with you. But usually when you see that,
Speaker 1: it's skill position, it's defensive backs, it's those kind of guys.
Speaker 1: It's rare that you see an offensive lineman looking good
Speaker 1: in camp and then all of a sudden in the
Speaker 1: season he's not right, um, because looking good in camp
Speaker 1: is just all about bullying people, basically. Yeah, and I
Speaker 1: And that's the one thing I've been excited to see
Speaker 1: out here, Like there have been a couple of times
Speaker 1: when I've seen him, like Nick says, he just basically
Speaker 1: locks down, like he sits down and the guy doesn't move.
Speaker 1: You didn't see that a lot from Connor last year.
Speaker 1: It looks like different. He looks very very strong and stout.
Speaker 1: And that's the part that I really love about him.
Speaker 1: Nick Connor Um he has a golf cart, and and
Speaker 1: and and he has a golf cart. Explain that the
Speaker 1: golf cart means that these are the Conditioning UM Strength
Speaker 1: and Conditioning Award winners for the season. He's the guy
Speaker 1: that that worked really really hard. Not to say that
Speaker 1: any of the guys didn't. Does he I don't think.
Speaker 1: I don't think he does either way. I mean Connor
Speaker 1: needed to get a little stronger. He did. When you
Speaker 1: look at the Rams game last year. He played well
Speaker 1: in that game against a pretty decent player and Aaron
Speaker 1: Donald joke and h Xavier Woods struggled a little bit
Speaker 1: if I remember Bird some of the some of the
Speaker 1: plays in the open field. Also, Xavier Woods plays next
Speaker 1: to Jeff Heath and he played and he plays next
Speaker 1: to Tyron Smith. So I think you have better you
Speaker 1: have a better chance to play to look good when
Speaker 1: you play next to Tyron Smith and and Travis Well
Speaker 1: maybe yeah, yeah, you're breaking news here. No, I'm just
Speaker 1: saying maybe. I mean a long way to go because
Speaker 1: smiss one of them all right now, and I don't
Speaker 1: want to. I love that you guys are picking Connor
Speaker 1: and I mean, I'm sorry, yeah, picking Connor. But I
Speaker 1: also I want to reiterate what Dave saying, like Xavier,
Speaker 1: he's looked really good out here too, and he's a
Speaker 1: guy that they believe in quite a big play along
Speaker 1: somebody these two. You can answer, yeah, I might answer
Speaker 1: after I have been giving your perspective my perspective throughout
Speaker 1: all right, here's the second question, more impression, I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: more impressive unit thus far through as a Dave says,
Speaker 1: to training camp practice and you got defensive backs, offensive
Speaker 1: line or linebackers, who's been more impressive? And Bro'll start
Speaker 1: with you, uh honest, Well, because of what I've been
Speaker 1: paying more attention to, I would say the old line.
Speaker 1: I mean, when they go on those one on ones,
Speaker 1: you cannot not watch. You have to be locked in
Speaker 1: on what they're doing and just watching. I mean, it's
Speaker 1: amazing how powerful and strong they are and they will
Speaker 1: dominate you. So old line for me, Nick, Yeah, the
Speaker 1: old line is what we're seeing, um that they're dominating
Speaker 1: a lot more. I will say that, you know, Crawford
Speaker 1: and d Law not being out there kind of affects
Speaker 1: that and you could say, Frederick, you know, probably it
Speaker 1: hasn't been out there either, but um, you just see
Speaker 1: you see the defensive backs struggle some um the linebackers.
Speaker 1: That's just tough right now to tell that one. The
Speaker 1: offensive line is given you to me the best perspective
Speaker 1: of what they're doing, So I would say them, it
Speaker 1: is the old line, But shout out to the dbs.
Speaker 1: They got two picks at the last p so they've
Speaker 1: done some stuff. Linebacker is the absolute hardest position to
Speaker 1: shine in training camp, but Layton and Jalen just look
Speaker 1: like athletic super freaks out there. They don't get to
Speaker 1: do anything, but they look impressive. But it's though line.
Speaker 1: How surprising is it to you that the defensive backs
Speaker 1: have looked as good as they have and they're arguably
Speaker 1: their best player isn't even out there. Yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: not that surprising because I think if you were to say,
Speaker 1: what's you know, who's the Who's the coach that that
Speaker 1: you know is kind of gets the most out of
Speaker 1: his players, you know, you would say maybe Christopher Shard.
Speaker 1: I mean, he just does a really great job. You
Speaker 1: can see it by just being out here. How good
Speaker 1: he is as a coach, and so his units aren't
Speaker 1: gonna suck, you know the matter why they're just not
Speaker 1: going to and he's going to be you know, he
Speaker 1: takes this thing, you know, very seriously every practice, and
Speaker 1: so it doesn't surprise me. But there's some good battles.
Speaker 1: I mean, they've they've given up some some big plays.
Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not part of being a defensive back.
Speaker 1: I don't care who you are, you're gonna give up plays.
Speaker 1: The point is you better win some too. And they're
Speaker 1: winning something I'm not ready to say. They're like balling
Speaker 1: out of control with al Byron Jones, Like they got
Speaker 1: two picks in team period. They also got dusted on
Speaker 1: the first day multiple times. This is probably you know,
Speaker 1: I've said it for years about oh let's get some
Speaker 1: speed over here. This is probably the fastest group of
Speaker 1: wide receivers that they've had from one to like ten
Speaker 1: that I've seen that I can remember. Now a lot
Speaker 1: of those guys are going to be off the team, though,
Speaker 1: you know, some of the the guys that get cut
Speaker 1: could probably make a four by you know, one hundred
Speaker 1: meter relay team and beat the starters. I would love
Speaker 1: to see that. They would definitely beat them, don't you.
Speaker 1: I'm I don't know about definitely, but I'd love to watch.
Speaker 1: Hell yeah, I mean Reggie Davis, John Vay, Jalen Guden
Speaker 1: and those guys can run, and Devin Smith against Gallup
Speaker 1: Cooper I have on. I might have to take the backups.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I would love to watch that. That'd
Speaker 1: be fun. All right, let's go ahead and take our
Speaker 1: first break. When we come back, we will actually continue
Speaker 1: on that topic of the why receivers. I want to know,
Speaker 1: outside of Amark Cooper, who's been the most impressive wide
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Speaker 1: Slash football Back to the Break Welcome back. It is
Speaker 1: the second second of the Break live in oxbart California.
Speaker 1: It is today will be the fifth practice the Cowboys
Speaker 1: half here in ox and Art. They have a walk
Speaker 1: through that they'll be a starting up here momentarily around
Speaker 1: ten forty five am eleven o'clock right in there, and
Speaker 1: then they'll have a practice open to the public this
Speaker 1: afternoon at three thirty. Also for you guys that want
Speaker 1: to check it out Sunday. They will be the Blue
Speaker 1: and White scrimmage. If you're in the Oxnart area, you
Speaker 1: can come out again free of charge to be able
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Speaker 1: able to watch. The scrimmage is coming Sunday. All right,
Speaker 1: let's get back in. We're do a quarterly review. We
Speaker 1: got some questions that we've rolled out for these guys.
Speaker 1: Our next question is, outside of Amari Cooper, which wide
Speaker 1: receiver has been the most impressive through two training camp practices.
Speaker 1: Michael Gallop. Michael Gallup. Michael gall Up. He looks great.
Speaker 1: He look great in training camp last year. It's gonna
Speaker 1: be about being consistent translating that to the to the
Speaker 1: bright lights. I think he can do that. But his
Speaker 1: footwork is great. He doesn't like you know, he's not
Speaker 1: as fast as some of these guys. He's not as
Speaker 1: big as some of them. Um, he doesn't do like
Speaker 1: the freakazoid catches at least not that I've seen yet.
Speaker 1: But like he's just consistent and shifty and honestly that's him.
Speaker 1: An Amari like Amar is like that too. Amar's not
Speaker 1: the Dez type. I remember when Daz used to be
Speaker 1: out here at training camp. We do the Dez doing
Speaker 1: Dez things right, that's not Amar either not. There's both technicians.
Speaker 1: They they run good routes, they get open and they
Speaker 1: catch the ball right. And Amari is a big, bulky
Speaker 1: dude though, like I'm not maybe not as bulky as
Speaker 1: like a Dez or a Julio Jones, but he's big,
Speaker 1: like Michael Gallup is is pretty not unassuming. Yeah, Like
Speaker 1: we saw him in the parking lot the other day
Speaker 1: and we were like, whoa, Mike's really that tall. Like
Speaker 1: I was walking right next to Layton, he was like,
Speaker 1: not that much short. Similar, something's often's going wrong here
Speaker 1: because Mike doesn't look that imposing on the field. Um,
Speaker 1: but he's He's been nice out here for sure. Guys
Speaker 1: are good. Just when you're talking about you know, Daz
Speaker 1: doing Daz things and all that. I mean, Larry Fitzgerald's
Speaker 1: been doing it for twenty years almost, you know, and
Speaker 1: he's never really been the most impressive, but he just
Speaker 1: you're right about being you know, a guy that could
Speaker 1: just run routes and and it works. I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: I guess you could say Jerry Rice was probably the
Speaker 1: same way for being that way. I don't know. I'll
Speaker 1: answer the question, Yes, we just compared Mike to Larry
Speaker 1: Fitzgerald and Jerry Rice. I'm yeah, you just don't have
Speaker 1: to be this crazy freak all the time. Yeah, um,
Speaker 1: I don't think. I don't think all the backup receivers
Speaker 1: have been that consistent. So it's just a to me.
Speaker 1: I mean, Gallop's a good answer. And then Cob, you
Speaker 1: would say Cob, but Cob had a bad day. Yea, yeah,
Speaker 1: really bad. I was going to ask that question of
Speaker 1: what you guys think of Randall Cop because it was
Speaker 1: I guess that was what was was that it was
Speaker 1: it was the morning practice, but he had a he
Speaker 1: had a really to me, it would really rough practice.
Speaker 1: There were a lot of ball I think there were
Speaker 1: two or three that went straight through his hand. He
Speaker 1: was the reason for Dak's first pick right, and when
Speaker 1: he just went right through his hands. He dropped a
Speaker 1: third down conversion in the team period. Yeah, but I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, it's it's been rough day. He's a decade
Speaker 1: long vet with a Pro Bowl appearance under his belt. Like,
Speaker 1: he's got to do way more than that before I
Speaker 1: start to be worried about him. Right, Amber, tell me
Speaker 1: what what what wide receiver that a mari has been
Speaker 1: most impressive? Well, I would stake with Michael Gallup. I
Speaker 1: think he has to. He has been the one that
Speaker 1: has shown more things here. And what I like about
Speaker 1: him is that he makes it seem effortless in a way.
Speaker 1: He does thing and you don't see him like it's
Speaker 1: nothing freakish like we said, but it just doesn't seem
Speaker 1: like he's struggling for it or rushing for it. Just
Speaker 1: it just happens natural. And of course, just like anybody else,
Speaker 1: he needs to clean it up more and be more
Speaker 1: consistent about it. But he has it. He has it.
Speaker 1: Whatever it is for a receiver, he has it all. Right.
Speaker 1: Next question, if you had to identify the area of
Speaker 1: this team with the most questions, what would it be
Speaker 1: special teams or running backs? Oh? Damn nice, We'll see
Speaker 1: the thing about it. Nice question. I think initially you
Speaker 1: think running backs obviously, right, but special teams, No, it
Speaker 1: is probably special teams because am I thrilled about it? No,
Speaker 1: but Alfred Morris has played in this league. Tony Pollard
Speaker 1: was a fourth round pick for a reason. Like you
Speaker 1: know that they can take the ball and run with it.
Speaker 1: I don't know how good it'll look. I don't know.
Speaker 1: We haven't had a kicker hit a one hundred percent
Speaker 1: of his kicks out here yet this year, and Dan
Speaker 1: Bailey used to just do that like it was especially camp.
Speaker 1: We've made so many jokes about that's why we didn't.
Speaker 1: We stopped watching special teams because like boom boom boom
Speaker 1: boom boom boom boom. Cool, let's go do the other one.
Speaker 1: Uh Maher has missed every day he's kicked, and so
Speaker 1: is Casey Redfern. M Chris Jones. I'm not super worried
Speaker 1: about Chris Jones. Chris Jones did have a he dipped
Speaker 1: last year. He did. It's something to watch, um, but
Speaker 1: it's so hard to gauge punting at training camp. I
Speaker 1: know Casey Redfern punted for Chris on Tuesday and it
Speaker 1: was kind of yeah, but you know he's back up
Speaker 1: for a reason. I guess I'm not worried about Chris Jones.
Speaker 1: I'm kind of worried about the kickers, all right, Amber
Speaker 1: running backer kickers would have more more questions. That's so
Speaker 1: close to each other that one's really hard. I think
Speaker 1: that that you have the guys to do things with,
Speaker 1: But I don't know. I wish I could talk more
Speaker 1: about the kicker. I have not been watching them. It's
Speaker 1: like we watch practice and then all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: I forget that they're there kicking on the other side
Speaker 1: of the field. I forgot about what got us into
Speaker 1: this year. Yeah, but uh, I would probably say special
Speaker 1: teams because at least with the running back, you you
Speaker 1: can count on the O line to help you out
Speaker 1: open up some holes for you. So I would just
Speaker 1: think with the special teams, right, I think there's more questions.
Speaker 1: I guess at running back. I mean because you said
Speaker 1: special teams, so two of the three are set. You
Speaker 1: know what they're going to be in. Maher will probably
Speaker 1: be the guy. I think running back there's just more.
Speaker 1: There's just more questions of how all that's gonna go.
Speaker 1: Because you know your starters is in cobbo right now,
Speaker 1: So do you expect him to be back? Yeah, but
Speaker 1: but at what shape and what condition? I'm not sure?
Speaker 1: And then what what how they're gonna get Pollered involved
Speaker 1: and where more goes after that? I think there's more
Speaker 1: questions there, and it's more obviously more important position. You know,
Speaker 1: even though you know kicker is a big deal, but
Speaker 1: you said special team, so I think sixty six percent
Speaker 1: of it is pretty much set. How do you factor
Speaker 1: in the punt returner because right now punt returner from
Speaker 1: last year we said this earlier on a show a
Speaker 1: couple of days ago. He could be on this team
Speaker 1: or not be on this team, Like, I don't I
Speaker 1: think it's kind of a fifty fifty proposition as to
Speaker 1: whether he even makes the team. He's also not even
Speaker 1: fielding punts out here right There's a lot of other
Speaker 1: guys doing that. So the point is, like, when you
Speaker 1: factor in all of special teams, to me, there seems
Speaker 1: to be a ton of questions there. And even if
Speaker 1: you say the kickers decided, I don't know that you
Speaker 1: feel great about it right now. So there's still are
Speaker 1: question marks about how you think he's gonna perform same
Speaker 1: thing with a punter. He that year was not a
Speaker 1: great year for him, not the year the years that
Speaker 1: we've been accustomed to seeing from Rush Jones. You certainly
Speaker 1: wasn't last. But if you get your running back in order,
Speaker 1: you don't have to punt that much. Yeah, one problem
Speaker 1: can solve a bunch of others, right. I love that answer.
Speaker 1: Like that high school coach in Arkansas that just never punts,
Speaker 1: let's do that? Is that where it was? I know
Speaker 1: someone like never just never punch baby, just didn't have
Speaker 1: a punter. No, no analytics, baby, We're coming all right.
Speaker 1: Next question, with regard to the backup quarterback position, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna give you four statements. You tell me which one
Speaker 1: is most accurate. Mike White has been better than Cooper Rush.
Speaker 1: Cooper Rush has been better than Mike White. Both have
Speaker 1: been okay to good? Or Dallas needs help at backup quarterback.
Speaker 1: I think there's a fifth one you could have said,
Speaker 1: which was, what's the Christian is better than the other two?
Speaker 1: Good point. I should have thrown that in. Really, No,
Speaker 1: if you want to know, if you want to have
Speaker 1: the conversation, have the conversation. I've only two first, Yeah, no, no,
Speaker 1: not at all. We've watching two padded practices, and in
Speaker 1: the first one, Taran Christian fumbled his first snap, fumbled
Speaker 1: the exchange with the running back on the second snap,
Speaker 1: and then threw a pass into the hands of a
Speaker 1: defensive lineman. I didn't stop looking at him, but like
Speaker 1: that's the only impression I have him. I don't even
Speaker 1: remember what he did worse than Mike and Cooper rush
Speaker 1: I don't know what you've been watching. I can't go
Speaker 1: there with you. I was gonna say the last two answers, Um, wait,
Speaker 1: remember the first was Mike watch better, Cooper rushes better?
Speaker 1: A second, either one of those, and then both have
Speaker 1: been okay to good, and then Dallas needs help at
Speaker 1: backup quarterback. I'll say they've both been okay and Dallas
Speaker 1: needs help a backup quarterback. I mean, like they're not
Speaker 1: gonna get it, Like they're like we already knew that.
Speaker 1: I don't. I would not feel remotely comfortable with either
Speaker 1: of them playing snaps in a real situation. Um, they've
Speaker 1: both They've both made some decent throws. I haven't seen
Speaker 1: either of them just do something atrocious yet. But I
Speaker 1: haven't been wowed by either one of them. Either Cooper Rush.
Speaker 1: He can throw such a pretty ball and then like
Speaker 1: two reps later, it's you know, it's eighteen yards out
Speaker 1: of bounds and you're like, what this is the same guy.
Speaker 1: It's weird, Like it's very consistency is troublesome. But does
Speaker 1: that make you feel like with more reps he might
Speaker 1: actually get there because he does do some things that
Speaker 1: pop for you. We've seen him do it before his
Speaker 1: rookie year. He was so good that preseason his rookie year,
Speaker 1: and we haven't really seen him get to that level since.
Speaker 1: Maybe maybe I'm not optimistic if I'm being honest, but
Speaker 1: maybe Amber you got opinion on these two. I don't
Speaker 1: feel comfortable with either of them. I think Cooper Rush
Speaker 1: I feel that he has improved a little bit since
Speaker 1: we've been here compared to what we have been seen
Speaker 1: at the Star back at home. But is it enough
Speaker 1: for me to be like, oh, yeah, I put him
Speaker 1: in a game. No, not at all. I'm not trying
Speaker 1: to be a jerk, but I gotta know what you've
Speaker 1: seen from Taran Christian that inspires this comf He throws
Speaker 1: the ball better than the other two you think, so, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I trust you, really do. I think he throws the
Speaker 1: ball better, and I think he's he's he's obviously more mobile.
Speaker 1: I think I think if he gets some some snaps
Speaker 1: in the games. I'm not sure he will, but I
Speaker 1: mean I think I think he'll. I think when it's
Speaker 1: all said and done, he'll be better than at least
Speaker 1: one of them. I hope you're right. But but again,
Speaker 1: when I say that, like, what are we talking, I mean,
Speaker 1: when I'm talking about the bar being high those two
Speaker 1: because other two aren't very good at all. To me.
Speaker 1: This whole thing is and I'm not talking about wealthy,
Speaker 1: rich people. I'm talking about just average people. Dak Prescott
Speaker 1: is like, they're gonna treat Dak Prescott like you would
Speaker 1: your car. You don't have a backup car. You just
Speaker 1: have a car. And if your car breaks down, then
Speaker 1: you gotta get a new car. You don't just have
Speaker 1: another one in there. That's that's how they're going to
Speaker 1: treat it. And and is that gonna be good? Maybe? Well,
Speaker 1: going along with your analogy, what makes that a little
Speaker 1: bit more palatable is the fact that you got a
Speaker 1: new car, right, You got a new sturdy car, So
Speaker 1: if you get a new sturdy car, you feel like,
Speaker 1: I don't really need to worry about a backup. Right,
Speaker 1: It's it's a whole different thing. If you've got a
Speaker 1: car that's gut a little, you know, the engine's a
Speaker 1: little weird tansmission's got some you know, you got four.
Speaker 1: You can trust the four if you got If you
Speaker 1: got a car that's kind of you've had it for
Speaker 1: nine years and the wheel like over here, it kind
Speaker 1: of shakes a little bit, then you know, yeah, then
Speaker 1: you know you need a backup. And I'm not having
Speaker 1: thirty thousand miles on him. Dad has. DAK has about
Speaker 1: twenty two, and he's sturdy, He's built like a tank.
Speaker 1: He's feel like a Ford Trust. Right. So so the
Speaker 1: point is, so the point is you can be a
Speaker 1: little you can be a little bit more, uh, you know,
Speaker 1: free with not worrying about the backup when you've got
Speaker 1: a Yeah, I like that. It might come back to
Speaker 1: bite us all in the butt. But I am comfortable.
Speaker 1: I'm comfortable trusting that DAK will be available for sixteen months.
Speaker 1: I'm not I'm just I'm not gonna dignify that. I
Speaker 1: am not gonna dignify that. Okay, yeah, I get you, David.
Speaker 1: I'm actually on the same page with what else are
Speaker 1: you gonna do? You know, I mean, especially at this point.
Speaker 1: That's which it would be a fun story if tarn
Speaker 1: Christian is better than Cooper Russian, Mike White. But like,
Speaker 1: what a bad look for the ops, for football ops
Speaker 1: if like this dude that they signed on a whim
Speaker 1: three days before camp beats out their two year groomed
Speaker 1: back up and their draft pick, like just they're like, well,
Speaker 1: we need an arm for camp. Get in here. Oh,
Speaker 1: he's actually better than these guys we've been working on
Speaker 1: for two years. Oh they won't look at it that
Speaker 1: way because they're never wrong. And sixty five days a
Speaker 1: year we look at these players. You know, he was
Speaker 1: like he was always you always got to have an
Speaker 1: out for why you weren't wrong. But I'll remember, all right,
Speaker 1: next question, most impressive rookie And there's a list of them.
Speaker 1: I'll throughout some of the names. You guys feel free
Speaker 1: to use these or others. Tristan Hill, Jalen Guyton, Joe Jackson,
Speaker 1: Jalen Jelks, John Vay, Johnson, Tony Pollard, Daniel Wise, Nick Christian. Um, Okay,
Speaker 1: this is who you have the best feeling about, who's
Speaker 1: at the best to practice. Okay, okay, okay, okay, okay.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna stick with my guy here. I just I
Speaker 1: have this this hunch about Jalen Jelks. So I'm not
Speaker 1: saying he's had great practices. He did not knock a
Speaker 1: power forward on his ass, So I'll say Joe dumped him,
Speaker 1: not just knocked like dumped him. Go ahead, Nick, I'm sorry, Dave,
Speaker 1: um geez, looks sorry. I was just gonna say, like,
Speaker 1: he looks the part. You know, he looks like he
Speaker 1: has that mold of the rest of the group. So
Speaker 1: I don't know, he's a big, long, beefy dude. But
Speaker 1: I turn that into um back on the rails. Uh.
Speaker 1: It's way easier for receivers to stand out out here.
Speaker 1: But Daniel Wise, he just he's doing stuff. He's he's
Speaker 1: getting in there low man wins and all that good stuff.
Speaker 1: I'm encouraged by what I've seen from him so far.
Speaker 1: All right, let me see the listing yesterday when you
Speaker 1: didn't talk that much. You're mad, I don't ever get
Speaker 1: the TA today you're just coming out fire she said,
Speaker 1: I'll teach him. I got something for that. You know what,
Speaker 1: I don't know if I'm most impressive or not. I
Speaker 1: think Pollard I've seen flashes. Of course, this is something
Speaker 1: that you would expect from this guy, but he has
Speaker 1: shown flashes to where it's promising to what he can do.
Speaker 1: And then once you plug that in with the old
Speaker 1: line and everything else, I think he can be explosive
Speaker 1: and really benefit from him on the field. We'll see,
Speaker 1: but I would say he has the one that he's been,
Speaker 1: the one I've been keeping my eye on the most.
Speaker 1: I would just go with him. Let me ask you
Speaker 1: a question about all you guys, a question about Tony Pollard.
Speaker 1: One of the things that I heard a lot when
Speaker 1: when the Cowboys drafted him was like, the guy has
Speaker 1: a background playing receiver. One of his greatest assets is
Speaker 1: he can catch the ball coming out of the backfield.
Speaker 1: Have you guys seen him lining up outside or or
Speaker 1: doing a lot of running routes down field that will
Speaker 1: allow them to really exploit those assets. Um, and maybe
Speaker 1: when Zeke is back, create opportunities when you put both
Speaker 1: of them on the field, with him having a little
Speaker 1: bit more of kind of an h back responsibility or
Speaker 1: or even a receiver responsibility in some of those packages.
Speaker 1: Yes to the first question, they've been moving him all
Speaker 1: over the place. He's been shifting out of the backfield
Speaker 1: and lining up wide. When you say down field like,
Speaker 1: I'm not talking, I don't want to, I'm not talking
Speaker 1: to fly, I'm talking. Can he can he run a
Speaker 1: dig route? Can he run a Yeah? Those are kinds
Speaker 1: of things he's doing a sitting pretty much just a
Speaker 1: flare get out in the out open fuel and this point,
Speaker 1: that's what we have seen. And that's the thing. You know,
Speaker 1: I'm excited by his talent. I gotta see that they're
Speaker 1: gonna use it in a new way before I believe it.
Speaker 1: And that's on Kellen Moore. You know, I always I
Speaker 1: fell a hook line and sinker for the Tavon experience. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't, I'm not. I'm not gonna buy it until
Speaker 1: I see it this time. But I hope, I hope
Speaker 1: that they use them that way. But you know the
Speaker 1: good thing with Kellen Moore is what I like so
Speaker 1: far is that we have been seeing different mixes of
Speaker 1: you know, routes and different things. He has been changing
Speaker 1: it up to where you're not just seeing the same
Speaker 1: stuff that we're used to seeing. So he's been creative
Speaker 1: at least. One of the things that Nick and I
Speaker 1: were talking about the other day that we saw that
Speaker 1: we've seemed to notice a lot more is guys running free,
Speaker 1: which to me speaks to a scheme. When you see
Speaker 1: a guy that's just wide open catching the ball, usually
Speaker 1: that's not a guy that just beat somebody that bad.
Speaker 1: Usually there is something about the scheme of the offense
Speaker 1: and what they did that purposefully got a guy open.
Speaker 1: And we've seen, we seem to have seen that. We
Speaker 1: seem to be seeing that a little bit more. It'll
Speaker 1: be interesting to see once we get into games if
Speaker 1: that's what you see. But it does signal to me
Speaker 1: that maybe you have an offensive coordinator now that that
Speaker 1: is looking for opportunities to create those types of schemes
Speaker 1: that can get your guys open and get them in
Speaker 1: the open field. Let them see what they can do
Speaker 1: with the ball in their hands. Oh, let's look, our
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Speaker 1: Back to the Break Welcome back. This is the final
Speaker 1: segment of The Break Life from Oxnard, California, and we're
Speaker 1: going through our quarterly review. Cowboys have been through four practices,
Speaker 1: although Day thinks it's only been too and we'll have
Speaker 1: a lot more to talk about here in this final segment.
Speaker 1: A few more questions that will hit on this team
Speaker 1: and what they've done so far through those practices. Next
Speaker 1: question for you guys, player that's most likely not to
Speaker 1: be on the final fifty three man roster. Here's some names.
Speaker 1: Tackle Charlton, Xavier Sulphilo, Tavon Austin Cooper, Rush, Cavon Frasier.
Speaker 1: Most likely not to make the final fifty three. Now
Speaker 1: here's the thing I want. Here's the thing. I also
Speaker 1: want to throw out Xavier Sue Philo. He's a guy
Speaker 1: that is playing well out here. However, does that create
Speaker 1: an opportunity for the Cowboys maybe to trade him to
Speaker 1: get value on a position, maybe they want to bulk up.
Speaker 1: You want me to say, Taco, that's what you know.
Speaker 1: That's not what I want to say, because let me
Speaker 1: all but let me also say this too, can also
Speaker 1: throw this in. I know we've given I know we've
Speaker 1: given Taco hard time. Tacko's not been horrible, like there
Speaker 1: have been a couple of plays I've seen Taco makeout
Speaker 1: here during these first two practices. So let's be a
Speaker 1: little bit caustiss of painting the picture because I think
Speaker 1: we have painted the picture a little bit then, Like
Speaker 1: when we say embarrassing like that it's not weak. When
Speaker 1: Amber says embarrassing, it does make the picture that he's
Speaker 1: been like getting just completely overpowered out here. I don't
Speaker 1: think that's been the case. When ninety nine point nine
Speaker 1: percent of the people that are interested in the Cowboys
Speaker 1: can only see it through the frame of what we
Speaker 1: say or what we shoot on video, it's like a
Speaker 1: runaway train, positive and naked, right, I agree, So no,
Speaker 1: and yeah, and that's what like, I'm not. I'm not
Speaker 1: going to bury a first round and pick before he
Speaker 1: even has a chance to play in a preseason game
Speaker 1: or go through more padded practices. So I don't want
Speaker 1: you to say tackle, but go ahead. I think the
Speaker 1: answer is Xavier Suaphilo. And that's not because he's not
Speaker 1: a good player. It's because this is a loaded offensive line.
Speaker 1: We I think we did this the other day. But
Speaker 1: you've got your starting five, you have Cam Fleming because
Speaker 1: you need a swing tackle. Then you've got you've got
Speaker 1: Joe Looney, who it seems silly to think that you
Speaker 1: would part ways with him. Connor McGovern's not going anywhere.
Speaker 1: You just drafted him in the top one hundred, so
Speaker 1: you already have eight U so you're you're running out
Speaker 1: of space. And again, how many interior offensive lineman do
Speaker 1: you need? If you keep nine, wouldn't you like a
Speaker 1: guy who can play tackle? Xavier Suafilo is a starting
Speaker 1: caliber player. Maybe you could trade him for something, or
Speaker 1: you know, somebody might come calling and you can bolster
Speaker 1: another position. So if I had to bet right now,
Speaker 1: that would be that would be my guy. One thing
Speaker 1: I would throughout though I know we've had this conversation
Speaker 1: as well. When you start talking interior linement or having
Speaker 1: too many of them, two of your starting interior linement
Speaker 1: can also double out onto tackle, so you're not really
Speaker 1: in a situation where you're really expose having that extra
Speaker 1: interior offensive linement. Because we're talking about Zach as one, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: we're talking about Zach and we're talking about Connor. Both
Speaker 1: of them can play tackle or at least have play
Speaker 1: tackle at some point, and so I do think it
Speaker 1: creates a little bit more of an opportunity for you
Speaker 1: if you wanted to have them as your backup, backup plan.
Speaker 1: I think that's optimistic just because I think they don't
Speaker 1: want to move Zach, like you don't want the best
Speaker 1: guard in the NFL playing another position unless there's no
Speaker 1: other choice. And then Connor just hasn't done it enough,
Speaker 1: like he's taken reps at tackle in one ota, I believe.
Speaker 1: So I think that's a little optimistic, but I mean
Speaker 1: I think it's a valid point. It would be the
Speaker 1: backup to the backup though, right you already have a
Speaker 1: swing tackle, and I would suspect if you lost a
Speaker 1: tackle for suspend an extended amount of time, you'd go
Speaker 1: out and get one yeah off the free agent line,
Speaker 1: like you wouldn't necessarily going, but you could handle it
Speaker 1: for the rest of that game if you need it to.
Speaker 1: You know, Shiloh, his him being here to me is
Speaker 1: a contingent on what happens with Frederick. If Frederick is
Speaker 1: just like really good, no issues, no setback back to form,
Speaker 1: then I think you could maybe think about parting ways.
Speaker 1: But if you if if that's not the case, and
Speaker 1: I just don't expect it will be the case where
Speaker 1: there's no concerns at all, because then you've got to
Speaker 1: keep Looney in that role. That Looney could be the starter,
Speaker 1: and then you got to have to a feelo there.
Speaker 1: So I just wouldn't I wouldn't get rid of And
Speaker 1: then you think about also, so a feel is not old,
Speaker 1: what happens with Lyle next year, what happens if Connor
Speaker 1: moves out there? So a filo, I I don't govern
Speaker 1: the answer that question. I get it, but then I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I just know you've seen his chief,
Speaker 1: he works hard. I don't know. That wouldn't be my
Speaker 1: answer to that question. Okay, we'll get to answer. Yeah,
Speaker 1: what's your answer, um Tavon Austin. I just I'll say,
Speaker 1: I just don't you know where the role will be there.
Speaker 1: I think Pollard will will do the things you want
Speaker 1: him to do offensively, you can find a punt returner,
Speaker 1: you know, worry about making him punt you know. I mean,
Speaker 1: there's not a lot of opportunities to be you know,
Speaker 1: to have an aggressive punt return to anyways. So I
Speaker 1: just don't know if if that that would be the
Speaker 1: reason to keep him. You know, well, we'll see. He
Speaker 1: just you know, he was hurt for a lot last
Speaker 1: year and seemed okay with it, and I mean he
Speaker 1: worked hard. I mean he got back when he got
Speaker 1: back in there, he had a big, big play in
Speaker 1: the playoff game. But I just don't know if you
Speaker 1: need him as a gadget type player, which Pollard fills
Speaker 1: that role. He's not a he never has been this
Speaker 1: super polished receiver. Right. It's a good answer. That's who
Speaker 1: I was leaning towards the most. But I just wonder
Speaker 1: if Kellen Moore sees something in him to where maybe
Speaker 1: he thinks that he can utilize him better or actually
Speaker 1: just utilize him kills last year, they really did any
Speaker 1: So I wonder, but I saw you on your list.
Speaker 1: You have Cooper Hush, I would go with maybe Mike White.
Speaker 1: Either one take it off because definitely you cannot keep
Speaker 1: three quarterbacks. Well they did last year. They did last year,
Speaker 1: But at this point I don't, I just I wouldn't.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't keep three, especially those two as an option.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't keep three knowing that if if Dak something
Speaker 1: would happen to Dak, you're gonna go get it somebody else,
Speaker 1: right well, and I think we all probably agree that
Speaker 1: if something happened to Dak long term, they would be
Speaker 1: going to get someone else. So it makes me wonder, like,
Speaker 1: why would you have three on this roster, especially a
Speaker 1: roster is very deep and you're basically gonna you're gonna
Speaker 1: have to cut some good players, right, You're gonna have
Speaker 1: to cut some good players this year. Why cut a
Speaker 1: good player in favor of keeping three quarterbacks where two
Speaker 1: of them you feel like are pretty comfortable. I agree
Speaker 1: with you wholeheartedly, But one thing I've learned is like
Speaker 1: they get to do whatever the hell they want. It's
Speaker 1: there absolutely no I get that out. Like would would
Speaker 1: you be shocked? Would you be shocked if they kept three? No? No,
Speaker 1: right shocked? But let me so, let me change the question.
Speaker 1: Should they keep three? No? No, So we all agree,
Speaker 1: and I want to if Mike White is even if
Speaker 1: he's even close, it's just a money thing and a
Speaker 1: year's thing. Mike White's got two more years or three
Speaker 1: if you count this season. Cooper Rushes are restricted free agent.
Speaker 1: It's the same thing. I think Cavon Frasier makes this
Speaker 1: team for what he brings as a special teamer, but
Speaker 1: he's got to watch out for Donovan Wilson because he's
Speaker 1: the same player. He was drafted in the same round,
Speaker 1: he plays the same position. If he can do what
Speaker 1: Cavon does for a cheap at a cheaper price for
Speaker 1: more years, that's probably where they'll go. So that's what
Speaker 1: makes it hard for these veterans if you can't separate
Speaker 1: yourself from that young guy that's coming after your job.
Speaker 1: For sure, I do think. I mean, Cavon has been
Speaker 1: good enough on special teams, and you know, coaches love
Speaker 1: to keep the guy that they trust to do what
Speaker 1: they need to do, so I think that gives him
Speaker 1: a leg up. All right, Free agent most likely to
Speaker 1: make the final fifty three Georgia Loca, Kerrie Hyder, Christian Covington.
Speaker 1: I think we all like Hyder and Covington. Question will
Speaker 1: be though positions where they have a lot of depth.
Speaker 1: So which of these three is, if you can only
Speaker 1: take one, is most likely to make this team? Depth
Speaker 1: is working against tighter at end. I think it's working
Speaker 1: for Covington at tackle. Explain that, Well, you got Malik
Speaker 1: and you got Woods, and then we talked about yesterday.
Speaker 1: Who else do you you're like that guy's on the team.
Speaker 1: I mean, Daniel Ross has been solid, but he's no
Speaker 1: lock by any means. If Covington's solid, then you know
Speaker 1: you probably keep four defensive tackles and there's not There
Speaker 1: isn't a third one that's definitively better than him on
Speaker 1: the depth chart right now? Yeah? Yeah? What's how did
Speaker 1: you phrase the question, free agent? That was that's least
Speaker 1: likely to make the final fifty three? Least likely? Oh
Speaker 1: least I thought you said most I'm sorry, sorry, at
Speaker 1: least likely most Let's do both ways, most likely and
Speaker 1: least likely. So most likely you say Covington, who's your
Speaker 1: least likely LOA? Which I think that will surprise a
Speaker 1: lot of people because he's started eighty games and he's
Speaker 1: been in the league for so long. But and it's early,
Speaker 1: it's definitely early. But he's out here running with the
Speaker 1: third team. You know, they trust, uh, they trust darry
Speaker 1: and Thompson over him. While Xavier Woods was you know,
Speaker 1: with the birth of his daughter. His you know, you
Speaker 1: always got to look at the money in these search circumstances,
Speaker 1: which I think they gave him nine hundred thousand. It's
Speaker 1: a lot to us, but not to them. There's nothing,
Speaker 1: there's no no contractual obligations tying them to him. So
Speaker 1: he's gonna need to be amazing, I think to beat
Speaker 1: out some of this younger. He's got something working for him.
Speaker 1: Though he went to Boise. Yeah, and when you go
Speaker 1: to Boise now, I think it's probably Alocas the least likely.
Speaker 1: But but Hyder's you know, not far behind there because
Speaker 1: Hyder's just gonna be kind of caught up in just
Speaker 1: the numbers depth game that I just don't know if
Speaker 1: if he's gonna be hard. Yeah, it's gonna be tough
Speaker 1: for him. And do you agree Covingtons most likely? I
Speaker 1: think so, But here's the deal about Hyder. Hyder will
Speaker 1: get a chance to make a splash play in preseason
Speaker 1: game because he's the guy that plays second quarter. He'll
Speaker 1: play a lot of the second quarter, maybe even first quarter,
Speaker 1: first second quarter, and he'll make some plays and he
Speaker 1: has a position. All you have to do is get
Speaker 1: around the edge, sack the quarterback, cause a fumball, and
Speaker 1: it's like, okay, well he's on the team. Think about
Speaker 1: it first game if he does something like that, or
Speaker 1: any of these guys Jackson jokes, any of those guys
Speaker 1: do that, You're like, okay, well he's on the especially
Speaker 1: if you do it early in the game. Yeah, if
Speaker 1: you do it like that. So those guys will have
Speaker 1: an opportunity, and Hider will play a lot because he's
Speaker 1: that He'll be in that first, second quarter, third quarter guy,
Speaker 1: play a lot and probably make an impact. I do
Speaker 1: want to say this, and I don't want to harp
Speaker 1: on it too much because I don't want to sound
Speaker 1: like Mickey. But the reason why, the reason why I
Speaker 1: balk at quarterly review and it's two padded practices. That's
Speaker 1: my impression of Iloca right now. Right but you're talking
Speaker 1: about a guy that's been in the league since twenty thirteen.
Speaker 1: If he gets out here in some practices and starts
Speaker 1: diagnosing some plays and cuts in and gets a TfL
Speaker 1: or gets his hand on the ball and just does
Speaker 1: vets stuff, a week from now, we could be talking
Speaker 1: about how damn my loca is making all these plays.
Speaker 1: He hasn't done anything yet. I would even argue they're
Speaker 1: not He hasn't had a great opportunity because he's buried
Speaker 1: on the depth chart. But by the time we start
Speaker 1: playing preseason games, it could be a whole different Guess what,
Speaker 1: Guess what we're gonna do a halfway review. I know,
Speaker 1: and we're gone the camps and look, Rush did nothing
Speaker 1: really in the first couple of practice. As he goes
Speaker 1: to Canton and do the game against the Cardinals and
Speaker 1: he makes a few plays, and it's like, oh yeah, well,
Speaker 1: and it's gonna be sitting here talking about somebody after
Speaker 1: that nine years game. But like four great catches here
Speaker 1: and then one one handed catch in the game, and
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, you're boom. It's like the reason
Speaker 1: why we're smith, you know, It's the reason why we
Speaker 1: talked about Zavier Woods early in the show he had
Speaker 1: a great interception the other day that that one play.
Speaker 1: He had a couple plays, but that one play makes
Speaker 1: him stand out. So you're right. You get one great
Speaker 1: play out here, one great play in a preseason game,
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden you start getting on the
Speaker 1: radar of people ask hey, well, you don't want to look.
Speaker 1: You don't want the possibility of missing out on what
Speaker 1: this guy can bring you for the season. You don't
Speaker 1: want to cut him, right, And that certainly happens. We've
Speaker 1: all seen it happened. And did you have an answer
Speaker 1: on that most likely and least likely free agent to
Speaker 1: make the final fifty three? I think least likely. I
Speaker 1: would go with George just because of the position. When
Speaker 1: you talk about the other two guys, I think, and
Speaker 1: I know that people get injured all the time and
Speaker 1: they come back and they're still able to play. But
Speaker 1: for example, with Covington, when you look at Amalie Collins,
Speaker 1: the injuries that he's had, Antoine Woods, he's dealt with
Speaker 1: some things, had a surgery during the off season. They
Speaker 1: should be fine and all of that. But when you
Speaker 1: talk about injuries, it's just like I know it can
Speaker 1: be a reoccurring thing. You're never one hundred percent healthy again.
Speaker 1: So position wise, I would just stick with those two
Speaker 1: guys and leave George out. Okay, I just realized I've
Speaker 1: left Tristan Hill out of my d tackle depth chart.
Speaker 1: But the point still remains is that there's no clear
Speaker 1: cut guy above Covington in terms of making the team.
Speaker 1: All right, final question, rookie most likely to make the
Speaker 1: team John rookie, I'm sorry. Rookie free agent most likely
Speaker 1: to make the team John Vay Johnson, Jalen Guyden, Daniel Wise,
Speaker 1: Mitch Hyatt, and Luke Gifford. Which of those rookie free
Speaker 1: agents is most likely to make the fifty three? You
Speaker 1: want me to say, I know, you know, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I know, I'm just it's a figure of speech, right.
Speaker 1: John Vay Johnson is the obvious one, and he has
Speaker 1: looked really impressive out here. But the unsetting he's been
Speaker 1: better than Guy Uh yeah, I do, but I mean
Speaker 1: not you know, splitting hairs, But I think he's been better.
Speaker 1: But the unsexy answer that might be right is probably
Speaker 1: Gifford because you know, every year we're like, they can't
Speaker 1: stash this receiver. He's too good. And then for sure
Speaker 1: enough he's on the practice squad. But the linebacker that
Speaker 1: can come out here and play a bunch of special
Speaker 1: teams and doesn't look totally lost on defense, like that
Speaker 1: guy always makes the team. He might not ever dress,
Speaker 1: but they'll put him on the team. So this was
Speaker 1: a nick question, by the way it was. It was
Speaker 1: the reason why I did the question is to somehow
Speaker 1: figure out a way to get Gifford in an answer.
Speaker 1: Right there you go, because you've been seeing the same
Speaker 1: thing right right. So I was gonna, you know, I
Speaker 1: thought John Vay would be somebody would pick John Vay
Speaker 1: or or why, I mean why I've fallen in love
Speaker 1: with too many receivers over the years. Whether it happens
Speaker 1: every Yeric Rogers Lance, you know what, I realized, every
Speaker 1: camp has those guys. Every camp has a free agent
Speaker 1: right receiver that everybody kind of raves about a little bit.
Speaker 1: So when you say, well, we can't cut the Cobboys
Speaker 1: can't cut him because they lose him, well, every team hasn't.
Speaker 1: No teams worried. Abodcast is debating about their eighth executive
Speaker 1: right now, and here's what Gifford's gotta do. He's got
Speaker 1: to be better than Chris Covington, you know, he's got
Speaker 1: to be better than Marshall justin Marshall Lillard. So he
Speaker 1: might not even have to be better than them because
Speaker 1: you're gonna keep They're gonna keep six, maybe even seven.
Speaker 1: Because and I'm all due respect to Sean Lee like
Speaker 1: he's not I'm not thinking about him on special teams.
Speaker 1: Like your top three are here to play defense, then
Speaker 1: the core of your special teams is the back end
Speaker 1: of your linebacker chart. So whether I mean it could
Speaker 1: be Louke Gifford, Nate Hall's another one. Um. Yeah, keep
Speaker 1: an eye on these young linebackers whose names you don't know.
Speaker 1: Not Andrew Dowell because he was here and he's no
Speaker 1: longer here. I don't think he's out on the field
Speaker 1: to day. They've had a hamstring, you're gonna decide to
Speaker 1: wave him, give him injury settlement. He was a ricky
Speaker 1: free agent Andrew. When that happened, I was like we
Speaker 1: had in Andrew Michigan Michigan State. That's bad. I should
Speaker 1: probably know that, ver I, Yeah, I didn't know that.
Speaker 1: You talk about guys that have been you have such
Speaker 1: a way with words like well, you know it is
Speaker 1: not you do this podcast every just mean, yeah, you
Speaker 1: just need but talking about people that have that are
Speaker 1: no longer with the team, we didn't even mention that
Speaker 1: Larry Allen Junior h was was has he been officially
Speaker 1: he was released ship released in favor of a linebacker.
Speaker 1: Actually Justin Phillips still another name to keep an eye on.
Speaker 1: You know, it's about who. You know, there's no doubt
Speaker 1: about it that he was here because he's Larry Alan's son.
Speaker 1: There's no doubt. And they gave him a shot and
Speaker 1: he didn't. He didn't have it. We knew. We get sad.
Speaker 1: We could see it. We we we could. But you
Speaker 1: have to be like the greatest offensive lineman in the
Speaker 1: history of the Cowboys, maybe the history of the NFL
Speaker 1: to get that right. I mean, it's not sad and
Speaker 1: ill it's this guy pegged it. It's not sad, but
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, it's side in the aspect
Speaker 1: when you have your dad's name and you're trying to
Speaker 1: maybe you don't know if that was his dream or not,
Speaker 1: but when you're trying to live up to your dad's
Speaker 1: legacy and expectation. Yeah, but you know, he got a
Speaker 1: degree from Harvard. He went to Harvard. He got Harvard.
Speaker 1: He got to put on the same jersey as his dad,
Speaker 1: even if it was only for a few months, he
Speaker 1: got you know, he got to do he'd lived the
Speaker 1: NFL experience for a very short period of time. But
Speaker 1: I mean he was he was at the Star came
Speaker 1: out here. There's a photo of him. I bet him
Speaker 1: and his dad took a picture together after he signed
Speaker 1: or whatever. Like you know, I'm maybe he wanted to
Speaker 1: have a better shot at it, but it's still a
Speaker 1: pretty nice story. Practice squad would have been a good,
Speaker 1: you know, destination for him. If he makes this team
Speaker 1: practice squad one hundred thousand, he's about to go make
Speaker 1: more than that something do whatever. I'm a graduate of Harvard. Yes,
Speaker 1: I will be interested to see, Like if you know,
Speaker 1: is he really I mean, he started in the IVY League,
Speaker 1: Like he he can't be a terrible football player if
Speaker 1: he started in college football. So I wonder if anybody
Speaker 1: else will give him a shot. Maybe I don't know. Maybe,
Speaker 1: I mean, but like Nick said, like I'm not worried
Speaker 1: for him. No, he's going to have opportunity for Brian
Speaker 1: brought us. He already won. Yeah, he won this game
Speaker 1: a long time ago. He absolutely did, and there's no
Speaker 1: reason for him to be ashamed or embarrassed about this.
Speaker 1: He has a Harvard education, and like you said, he
Speaker 1: got an opportunity to live the dream for a bit,
Speaker 1: even if it was just for a small way, longer
Speaker 1: than live at the vast majority of us. Absolutely right.
Speaker 1: All right, guys, we were wrapping this thing up. We
Speaker 1: will be back tomorrow at ten am Pacific time. Noon
Speaker 1: for you guys back in Dallas, talking a little more
Speaker 1: Cowboys football with you till then. For Nick, even Dave Helmet,
Speaker 1: amber Garcia, I'm Derek Eagleson. This has been The Break
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