WEBVTT - Dearly Beloved 0:00:00.760 --> 0:00:04.560 Of the Law and Order franchises, SVU is considered especially watchable. 0:00:04.800 --> 0:00:07.360 We are the amateur detectives who kind of investigate the 0:00:07.440 --> 0:00:10.840 vicious felonies. These episodes are based on. These are our stories. 0:00:11.200 --> 0:00:31.760 Done done, Yay, that's messed up in SVU podcast Coming 0:00:31.800 --> 0:00:35.159 to you fast from I don't know what I'm doing. 0:00:35.240 --> 0:00:36.400 My name is Lisa. I'm a host. 0:00:36.400 --> 0:00:36.600 Here. 0:00:37.560 --> 0:00:39.640 Hi, I'm the other host. My name is Kara. What 0:00:39.680 --> 0:00:40.279 can we get you? 0:00:41.120 --> 0:00:44.760 We are a podcast about Law and Order SVU the 0:00:44.800 --> 0:00:47.360 true crimes that the episodes are based on. And we 0:00:47.479 --> 0:00:51.000 like to talk to guests sometimes in our episodes, and 0:00:51.200 --> 0:00:52.720 first I like to catch up in chat. 0:00:52.760 --> 0:00:53.680 And we're back. 0:00:54.200 --> 0:00:57.400 We're back in the like just the recent time machine, 0:00:57.440 --> 0:01:01.120 the smaller time machine. We were or I was away 0:01:01.280 --> 0:01:02.680 for like two and a half weeks. We were on 0:01:02.720 --> 0:01:05.959 a little VACA and now we're back. But I was 0:01:05.959 --> 0:01:07.880 happy that on my VAK I got to see Lisa 0:01:07.920 --> 0:01:10.200 in person. I was on the East Coast. 0:01:10.319 --> 0:01:14.160 I mean, I can't say enough Colin Klank to have 0:01:14.240 --> 0:01:17.240 a ledge in the deep end of the pool. In 0:01:17.280 --> 0:01:21.480 the pool, I've been talking about it NonStop. I've never 0:01:21.520 --> 0:01:24.760 seen anything like it. But what a blessing to be 0:01:24.760 --> 0:01:26.920 able to sit on a ledge in the deep end 0:01:26.920 --> 0:01:28.119 with a cocktail on the pool. 0:01:28.760 --> 0:01:31.199 I can't. I love the ledge. I love the ledge. 0:01:31.200 --> 0:01:33.000 I also love it because, like Rosie wants me to 0:01:33.000 --> 0:01:35.119 swimmer to the deep end sometimes, and she can swim, 0:01:35.120 --> 0:01:37.080 but if she tries to grab onto me, it's like 0:01:37.400 --> 0:01:38.360 before she drones me. 0:01:38.400 --> 0:01:40.440 I have the ledge, you know what I mean. Yeah, 0:01:40.440 --> 0:01:41.920 I've anything like it. 0:01:42.000 --> 0:01:45.320 So that's a cool invention that I hope to see, 0:01:45.440 --> 0:01:49.080 you know, infiltrate the systems. I'm actually kind of a trendsetter. 0:01:49.200 --> 0:01:53.040 So I had Handy Andy come to town, to my house, 0:01:53.120 --> 0:01:53.640 not to town. 0:01:53.720 --> 0:01:57.080 I don't know why I'm speaking like this, but he 0:01:57.160 --> 0:01:57.840 hung up all my. 0:01:57.960 --> 0:02:01.640 Rt a class act like very good was able to 0:02:01.960 --> 0:02:05.240 do some tough pieces in the brick. But we put 0:02:05.320 --> 0:02:08.519 one of my art pieces in the fireplace, like I 0:02:08.560 --> 0:02:09.760 have non working fire buses. 0:02:10.200 --> 0:02:11.560 So it's hanging on the. 0:02:11.440 --> 0:02:13.600 Back of the fireplace which is painted black, and it's 0:02:13.600 --> 0:02:17.280 this pink Damien Davis piece, and I'm like, I've never 0:02:17.320 --> 0:02:20.600 seen that before. Like that's fucking cool that I have 0:02:21.480 --> 0:02:24.000 an innovative way to hang art. So I just I 0:02:24.000 --> 0:02:27.040 feel really cool and chic about that because everyone's like, oh, 0:02:27.080 --> 0:02:29.280 put candles there. I had toys in there, but whatever. 0:02:29.320 --> 0:02:32.000 But no, I'm gonna have a fucking actual art piece. 0:02:32.400 --> 0:02:36.800 Feels cool. Yeah, that's really fucking cool. 0:02:38.080 --> 0:02:41.600 I love that, cause every fireplace in New York City 0:02:41.800 --> 0:02:45.040 is pointless, like they don't work, so like, yeah, turned 0:02:45.080 --> 0:02:49.680 it into a little display. I was in the woods 0:02:49.680 --> 0:02:52.360 of Vermont for a week. That was fun as well. 0:02:52.560 --> 0:02:54.720 Had a great time with the kids. Rosie got to 0:02:54.760 --> 0:02:57.200 reunite with her little bff who moved to New Jersey, 0:02:57.320 --> 0:02:58.200 so that was cute. 0:02:58.639 --> 0:02:59.840 They had a little week together. 0:03:00.880 --> 0:03:02.880 Just for those of you that aren't worried or have 0:03:02.919 --> 0:03:05.440 been messaging me about the potty training journey, thank you 0:03:05.480 --> 0:03:07.560 so much. I will just update you that Oscar did 0:03:07.560 --> 0:03:09.440 poop his pants every single day of this vacation. 0:03:10.440 --> 0:03:15.519 So we are exactly where I left you. It's going on. 0:03:16.840 --> 0:03:20.200 He's very smart and he's very like articulate, and I'm 0:03:20.240 --> 0:03:21.919 kind of like, can you just poop in the potty? 0:03:21.919 --> 0:03:23.120 Can you put it where you put your pee? And 0:03:23.200 --> 0:03:26.040 he goes, I can't, it's not I can't do that. 0:03:26.280 --> 0:03:28.680 And he says a lot of crazy stuff about like 0:03:28.760 --> 0:03:31.679 I think he's fearful because the thing is he wears 0:03:31.680 --> 0:03:33.240 a pull up every night. If he really had to poop, 0:03:33.240 --> 0:03:35.000 he just poop in the pull up. He doesn't, he's 0:03:35.160 --> 0:03:37.120 scared to do it in the pot There's something going on. 0:03:37.400 --> 0:03:39.200 So we just have to get him over this roadblock, 0:03:39.280 --> 0:03:41.880 and we will and we will. There is a potty 0:03:41.920 --> 0:03:44.040 training specialist that's in the mom group. But I don't 0:03:44.040 --> 0:03:46.040 want to spend the money. So he won't shit in 0:03:46.160 --> 0:03:50.000 the pull ups. He'll only shit in his underwear. And 0:03:50.040 --> 0:03:52.040 my mom keeps going offer him a pull up, and 0:03:52.040 --> 0:03:54.000 I'm like, Mom, that's not it. He wears a pull 0:03:54.040 --> 0:03:55.840 up at night. He doesn't like, he'll he'll hold it 0:03:55.880 --> 0:03:59.400 in for like three days where he could easily at night, 0:03:59.520 --> 0:04:03.280 be like and let it go. Yeah, okay, I get that, 0:04:04.160 --> 0:04:07.080 but yeah, so I won't say every single day. He 0:04:07.080 --> 0:04:08.320 held it in for three days and then we had 0:04:08.320 --> 0:04:09.720 a nice time, you know, we had it. But then 0:04:09.760 --> 0:04:11.480 it's like the whole time, you're worried. Oh my god, 0:04:11.520 --> 0:04:13.960 and Colin, you know we're talking about Colin. My brother 0:04:14.000 --> 0:04:17.159 has lovely pool. Colin is you know, not a parent, 0:04:17.200 --> 0:04:19.600 and it's just like, okay, so he's not gonna poop 0:04:19.600 --> 0:04:21.239 in the pool, right, And I'm like, Colin, I swear 0:04:21.279 --> 0:04:23.200 to God on everything, I'm not gonna let him poop 0:04:23.200 --> 0:04:25.560 in your pool, like I will not, like, don't worry 0:04:25.920 --> 0:04:26.960 so and he hasn't. 0:04:27.000 --> 0:04:28.640 He's never done that in his life. Thank god. 0:04:28.680 --> 0:04:30.880 I've never been the source of a code brown but 0:04:31.400 --> 0:04:34.200 he Yeah, we're still working on it. So I appreciate 0:04:34.240 --> 0:04:36.640 all your messages and so of solidarity. A lot of 0:04:36.640 --> 0:04:39.800 you have messaged me that you're in a similar kind 0:04:39.800 --> 0:04:43.279 of hell. And I feel like this is the last hump. 0:04:43.400 --> 0:04:45.520 Once we get over this, the rest of parenting's gonna 0:04:45.520 --> 0:04:47.360 be smooth sailing. I don't even care what happens after 0:04:47.360 --> 0:04:50.760 that drug habit don't care. Uh, this is the worst 0:04:50.839 --> 0:04:53.840 thing that could possibly be. And I'm kidding obviously, but. 0:04:54.200 --> 0:04:57.840 Wait, what other activities besides shitting his pants did the 0:04:58.000 --> 0:04:59.279 kids do at camp? 0:04:59.400 --> 0:05:00.679 What are the hell? 0:05:01.360 --> 0:05:04.400 Well, Rosie loved like tried to do archery. She gets 0:05:04.400 --> 0:05:06.839 a little bit frustrated because she can't do archery with 0:05:06.880 --> 0:05:08.760 like the bows are huge, Like they're big, but they 0:05:08.800 --> 0:05:10.240 give them the smallest one, but they're too big for 0:05:10.360 --> 0:05:12.600 She's a five year old. And so she did a 0:05:12.640 --> 0:05:14.320 little bit of that, a lot of arts and crafts. 0:05:15.000 --> 0:05:18.120 You know, pearlar beads. You put them on like a thing, 0:05:18.160 --> 0:05:21.800 and then you you iron it and they they mold together. 0:05:22.279 --> 0:05:24.320 Yeah, I'm talking about I knew that from the moment 0:05:24.360 --> 0:05:28.039 you said it. I was a big glad girl. Oh okay, yeah, yeah. 0:05:28.279 --> 0:05:32.920 Rosie in the art barn Uh started to make a 0:05:33.160 --> 0:05:35.839 the flag of China. Basically, I don't know what else 0:05:35.880 --> 0:05:37.560 to say. She was doing a pearlar beads of the 0:05:37.600 --> 0:05:40.520 flag of China and I was like why. 0:05:40.720 --> 0:05:42.440 She was like, I just like it. It's red with 0:05:42.480 --> 0:05:43.360 the gold stars. 0:05:43.440 --> 0:05:45.120 I was like, okay, I mean, I guess they're gonna 0:05:45.320 --> 0:05:46.880 they're gonna own us all it one day, so you 0:05:46.960 --> 0:05:49.240 might as well gonna jump on it, Rosie. And then 0:05:49.640 --> 0:05:51.800 she mostly just played with her friends. It was a 0:05:51.839 --> 0:05:53.839 little bit of a rainy week. We got some beautiful 0:05:53.880 --> 0:05:56.120 days though she wasn't. She did a little bit of 0:05:56.160 --> 0:05:58.400 lake swimming, but you know, she's a she's an uppity 0:05:58.480 --> 0:06:00.840 California bitch, and she doesn't want to go into like water. 0:06:00.920 --> 0:06:01.839 She can't see the bottom. 0:06:01.880 --> 0:06:04.840 You know, she did some, but she the first day 0:06:04.839 --> 0:06:06.760 she really tried to take her swim test and she's 0:06:06.800 --> 0:06:09.000 a great swimmer, but the swim test is hard, like 0:06:09.040 --> 0:06:10.880 you have to do a full length and back and 0:06:10.880 --> 0:06:12.480 then you have to tread for two minutes. And that's 0:06:12.520 --> 0:06:14.240 just not the kind of swimming she does. Like she 0:06:14.279 --> 0:06:18.040 does flipping around, flopping, you know, doing whatever she wants. 0:06:18.120 --> 0:06:20.440 And she I was like, I think we should wait 0:06:20.480 --> 0:06:22.560 till you're six, and she was like, I'm gonna try it. 0:06:22.640 --> 0:06:25.960 And she tried it. She gave up halfway through. It 0:06:25.960 --> 0:06:26.479 didn't work. 0:06:26.600 --> 0:06:28.600 But did she know did she give up and go yeah, 0:06:28.760 --> 0:06:30.680 I'm out, or did she have a full meltdown. 0:06:31.080 --> 0:06:33.039 No, no meltdown. She just goes, I can't do this. 0:06:33.080 --> 0:06:34.360 I want to get out, and so she got out. 0:06:34.800 --> 0:06:35.719 We'll do it next year. 0:06:35.920 --> 0:06:38.279 I saw a kid having a meltdown during a swim 0:06:38.320 --> 0:06:40.320 test when I was home in Skokie. 0:06:41.279 --> 0:06:41.679 Yeah. 0:06:41.920 --> 0:06:44.280 I was like, yeah, girl, you're not right. No you're 0:06:44.279 --> 0:06:46.400 not gonna get past because you're crying more, you know. 0:06:46.880 --> 0:06:47.360 Yeah. 0:06:47.400 --> 0:06:48.960 If it was in a pool, I really think she 0:06:48.960 --> 0:06:51.279 could have done it. Just the water makes her too nervous, 0:06:51.320 --> 0:06:56.200 the dark water. But we had a blast. We had 0:06:56.200 --> 0:06:58.000 a really great time. A lot of my friends were there. 0:06:58.160 --> 0:07:00.680 I saw a lot of old friends. It was a 0:07:00.720 --> 0:07:05.560 lot of fun. I went to the Sunset Park pool giant. 0:07:05.640 --> 0:07:07.800 I felt like I was in the hype like in 0:07:07.839 --> 0:07:10.480 the musicals. It was the biggest public pool I'd ever 0:07:10.520 --> 0:07:10.960 been into. 0:07:12.160 --> 0:07:15.160 But New York hettie pools are such there's so many rules. 0:07:15.200 --> 0:07:17.880 It's like you everything needs to be in a locker. 0:07:17.960 --> 0:07:20.800 They watch you shower before you go in. You cannot 0:07:20.800 --> 0:07:24.040 bring a newspaper out there. You can have your phone anything, 0:07:24.040 --> 0:07:26.080 like there was an announcement going we see you with 0:07:26.200 --> 0:07:27.720 your phone and if you do not put it in 0:07:27.760 --> 0:07:29.640 your locker right now, you will be asked to leave. 0:07:30.160 --> 0:07:33.720 Like you cannot have anything but sunblock, a towel, sandals, 0:07:33.720 --> 0:07:35.040 you can't even you have to go out in your 0:07:35.040 --> 0:07:40.680 bathing suit and you can have I brought my goggles. 0:07:40.760 --> 0:07:43.720 Wait what, let's back up to the watching you shower. 0:07:43.800 --> 0:07:45.880 What do you mean, like now you have to sprits, 0:07:46.160 --> 0:07:48.040 you have to get you have to wet yourself in 0:07:48.080 --> 0:07:48.520 the shower. 0:07:48.560 --> 0:07:50.400 You know that's always the rule. Oh, in your suit, 0:07:50.480 --> 0:07:51.520 in your suit, in your suit. 0:07:51.600 --> 0:07:53.600 Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, Okay, they're not there's not like 0:07:53.640 --> 0:07:55.400 a weird thing where they're like watching. 0:07:55.520 --> 0:07:57.880 Yeah, this isn't you know the concentration camp. 0:07:58.080 --> 0:08:01.960 No, well I mean you took there but yeah, yeah, yeah, no, 0:08:02.520 --> 0:08:03.679 the you're in your suit. 0:08:03.720 --> 0:08:06.360 They do not strip you naked. They do not cavity. 0:08:06.400 --> 0:08:08.920 So for some reason I was like, wait, what, like 0:08:08.960 --> 0:08:10.600 are they trying to make sure people don't have like 0:08:10.680 --> 0:08:12.040 I don't know, I don't know, I don't know what 0:08:12.080 --> 0:08:12.559 I was thinking. 0:08:12.560 --> 0:08:14.760 My mind just went to naked shower watching. I don't know. 0:08:14.920 --> 0:08:18.080 It is a high immigrant area, so it was interesting 0:08:18.160 --> 0:08:21.240 to watch, like the teens staff trying to explain you 0:08:21.320 --> 0:08:23.400 have to have a lock to an elderly man who 0:08:23.520 --> 0:08:27.000 is not really speaking English and find out the teens 0:08:27.040 --> 0:08:28.560 are like just go like. 0:08:28.520 --> 0:08:29.360 They couldn't handle. 0:08:30.880 --> 0:08:34.240 I like being like seeing the culture of elderly people 0:08:34.240 --> 0:08:37.560 who can't speak English and teens with summer jobs. I 0:08:37.640 --> 0:08:40.200 really like that coinciding in front of my face, Like 0:08:40.280 --> 0:08:42.079 that was pretty exciting to see. 0:08:42.840 --> 0:08:44.880 I took a kid to a public pool in New 0:08:45.000 --> 0:08:47.320 York once, but it was pretty like it was like 0:08:47.400 --> 0:08:50.679 a normal size. But this one you're talking about, and 0:08:50.720 --> 0:08:53.080 this one that in the Heights scene is filmed in, 0:08:53.120 --> 0:08:55.319 which is called the high Bridge Pool in Washington Heights. 0:08:55.760 --> 0:08:59.000 These are nuts. They're huge, huge for the whole time. 0:08:59.080 --> 0:09:00.920 I felt like I was in sand lot, like I 0:09:00.960 --> 0:09:07.520 was ready. Wow, oh I care. I saw the movies 0:09:07.520 --> 0:09:10.440 that I've wanted to see, you know, with our vacation time. 0:09:10.559 --> 0:09:13.720 So yes, I saw Inside Out too, and I saw 0:09:13.800 --> 0:09:14.960 Long Legs. 0:09:15.480 --> 0:09:16.760 Okay, thoughts and prayers. 0:09:16.880 --> 0:09:19.160 And then I read an article about Long Legs which 0:09:19.200 --> 0:09:21.280 I really liked on Vulture. But then I came home 0:09:21.320 --> 0:09:23.760 and watched this movie called Villains, and the actress from 0:09:23.800 --> 0:09:25.760 Long Legs is in it, and it's like a fully 0:09:25.800 --> 0:09:27.760 different person. I could not tell it all because at 0:09:27.760 --> 0:09:30.160 the end of Villains, I go, this girl's good, like 0:09:30.200 --> 0:09:32.400 this was exciting, googled it same woman, and I go, 0:09:32.559 --> 0:09:35.200 I just watched you in the same week, Like, how 0:09:35.240 --> 0:09:36.520 do I not know scream queen? 0:09:37.160 --> 0:09:37.400 Wait? 0:09:37.440 --> 0:09:41.400 Have you seen it follows? Yes, we've talked about it 0:09:41.440 --> 0:09:42.320 on here. Yeah we did. 0:09:42.800 --> 0:09:49.319 Okay, I'm scarious movie I've ever seen. She's in that, right, yeah? Yeah, yeah, okay, Okay, Wait, 0:09:49.480 --> 0:09:51.600 so I'm gonna watch that. 0:09:51.720 --> 0:09:53.280 I think you're. 0:09:53.080 --> 0:09:54.960 Not gonna get You're not gonna. 0:09:54.720 --> 0:09:55.199 Get through it. 0:09:55.559 --> 0:09:57.280 I bet you want say, I don't even think you'll 0:09:57.280 --> 0:09:58.480 even make it a half hour. 0:09:59.520 --> 0:10:02.880 Oh wow, Now you're fucking you're fucking waving a red 0:10:02.920 --> 0:10:04.200 flag in front of me right now. 0:10:04.280 --> 0:10:06.840 You without I don't think you'll even last. 0:10:06.840 --> 0:10:09.120 I don't think you'll last because I've tried to rewatch 0:10:09.160 --> 0:10:10.160 and can't finish it again. 0:10:10.200 --> 0:10:13.320 But oh my god, Okay, that's so scary. Jared always goes, 0:10:13.559 --> 0:10:16.320 I think you'll like it. It's not super gory, and I'm like, okay, 0:10:16.760 --> 0:10:17.840 but it's not cory. 0:10:18.000 --> 0:10:20.560 It's not gory. It's tense. It's just very tense. Like 0:10:20.840 --> 0:10:23.400 I'm on edge. I am on edge, and I don't like, 0:10:23.720 --> 0:10:25.880 I can't even handle it. There are movies where like 0:10:26.600 --> 0:10:28.600 even in Bridesmaid it's like some of us on like 0:10:28.640 --> 0:10:31.559 the tensions too much for me, honestly. Yeah, like I 0:10:31.600 --> 0:10:33.280 don't like where I'm like, they're not gonna speak. 0:10:33.600 --> 0:10:34.400 I'm like I can't. 0:10:34.480 --> 0:10:36.280 Oh, kid, I need to know what you thought about 0:10:36.280 --> 0:10:38.720 those two movies though. Give me your ratings. Well Inside 0:10:38.760 --> 0:10:40.720 Out too, I enjoyed thoroughly. 0:10:41.720 --> 0:10:46.000 The kid pack at the movie theater is incredible at 0:10:46.040 --> 0:10:49.400 AMC and Union Square. Like usually when you get one 0:10:49.440 --> 0:10:51.200 of those kid boxes, you know, it's like a flat 0:10:51.240 --> 0:10:53.840 box and so the popcorn is just like, loosen this box, 0:10:54.760 --> 0:10:56.120 do you know have you ever gotten a kid pack? 0:10:56.240 --> 0:10:56.320 No? 0:10:56.440 --> 0:10:58.520 You always get this, No, but I know I got 0:10:58.520 --> 0:11:00.840 the idea. But you know, they're like a flat box, 0:11:01.160 --> 0:11:04.640 so this they aren't. It's a small little bag of 0:11:04.679 --> 0:11:07.320 popcorn and a drink, and for two dollars more you 0:11:07.320 --> 0:11:08.280 can get a real candy. 0:11:08.400 --> 0:11:10.040 And then the box all closes. 0:11:10.120 --> 0:11:11.520 Because in my head, I go, great, I'm gonna get 0:11:11.559 --> 0:11:14.440 this kid's pack and then I'm gonna fucking go to 0:11:14.480 --> 0:11:15.320 the bathroom with it. 0:11:15.360 --> 0:11:16.000 This sucks. 0:11:16.120 --> 0:11:18.000 And it was all closed and in this little bag, 0:11:18.000 --> 0:11:20.720 and I'd never seen a kid pack so good. I 0:11:20.800 --> 0:11:23.440 love it. I did need innovation. I needed more soda. 0:11:23.480 --> 0:11:25.760 I have to. I have to graduate from the kid pack. 0:11:25.840 --> 0:11:28.560 But for under ten dollars, I got a candy, a 0:11:28.559 --> 0:11:30.280 small popcorn, and a small drink. Like that kind of 0:11:30.320 --> 0:11:32.080 is unheard of. Like I do feel like I'm cracking 0:11:32.120 --> 0:11:34.560 some kind of code. Yeah, but anyway, I tell them 0:11:34.640 --> 0:11:38.960 light on the ice about the movie. Okay, so I 0:11:39.000 --> 0:11:42.240 loved it, but it's the exact same movie. It's like, uh, oh, 0:11:42.440 --> 0:11:44.880 I don't have control of her brain anymore. We're in 0:11:44.920 --> 0:11:47.400 this other thing and now we have to come back. 0:11:47.600 --> 0:11:51.240 Like it is the exact same movie. But I obviously, 0:11:51.240 --> 0:11:53.559 you know, I enjoyed it. I like sadness being a 0:11:53.600 --> 0:11:57.040 little hero. I liked the new Kid. I liked it. 0:11:57.160 --> 0:11:59.360 But it's it's the same but worse. 0:11:59.760 --> 0:12:01.600 Yeah. I thought it was like. 0:12:01.760 --> 0:12:04.000 The same but not as good and but not bad 0:12:04.080 --> 0:12:06.360 but so good, you know, not as good like I mean, 0:12:06.400 --> 0:12:09.320 I cried in Inside Out and then this one I 0:12:09.440 --> 0:12:12.280 was like, I didn'taid. I was also like running after Oscar, 0:12:12.400 --> 0:12:14.520 so I was not as focused, but I didn't. 0:12:14.320 --> 0:12:15.360 Cried inside Out too. 0:12:15.440 --> 0:12:18.040 But my another friend was like, oh, I cried in 0:12:18.080 --> 0:12:20.680 that movie, and I knew the exact moment, like the 0:12:20.720 --> 0:12:22.640 moment something happened. I go, this is where this bitch 0:12:22.720 --> 0:12:24.560 was crying. And I called her. I go, did you 0:12:24.559 --> 0:12:26.360 cry here? She goes, yeah, I go, I knew it, 0:12:27.320 --> 0:12:29.199 And it was just the purse. It was the moment 0:12:29.240 --> 0:12:31.520 where it's like maybe when you grow up, you just 0:12:31.559 --> 0:12:32.760 don't have joy in your life. 0:12:32.960 --> 0:12:33.959 And that made her cry. 0:12:34.679 --> 0:12:37.800 Oh even though our friend is doing great, it's fine, 0:12:38.520 --> 0:12:39.200 she'll be okay. 0:12:39.840 --> 0:12:43.120 Also, I don't have like a ton of anxiety. That's 0:12:43.160 --> 0:12:45.480 not like a plight of mine. And I think a 0:12:45.520 --> 0:12:49.920 lot of people really that really resonated with how anxiety 0:12:50.040 --> 0:12:51.120 takes over. 0:12:50.880 --> 0:12:51.840 All your other emotions. 0:12:51.840 --> 0:12:54.440 You don't think being a control freak is a manifestation 0:12:54.600 --> 0:12:55.800 of some sort of anxiety. 0:12:56.240 --> 0:13:00.560 Oh sure, sure probably, But I don't think I have 0:13:00.679 --> 0:13:02.679 like I guess I don't have like chronic anxiety. I 0:13:02.679 --> 0:13:04.760 don't have like you know. I'm not medicated for my 0:13:04.800 --> 0:13:07.120 anxiety or anything like that. You know, I think the 0:13:07.120 --> 0:13:08.720 anxiety is a huge problem for a lot of people. 0:13:08.720 --> 0:13:11.240 I wouldn't say I have I have it to that level. 0:13:11.320 --> 0:13:14.200 But yeah, you're right, No people have felt seeing for sure. 0:13:14.320 --> 0:13:16.520 I mean, you're sitting here telling me I've got a problem, 0:13:16.640 --> 0:13:18.000 So I guess I better look in the mirror. 0:13:19.400 --> 0:13:22.920 No, I just I assume if you want to control things, 0:13:22.960 --> 0:13:25.120 you are scared of something, you know what I mean. 0:13:25.440 --> 0:13:28.040 Yeah, there's no I well, I'm not like sitting here 0:13:28.080 --> 0:13:29.839 being like I have no fears. I'm fearless, like I 0:13:29.920 --> 0:13:33.200 obviously have fear. It's like, I don't think anxiety like 0:13:33.760 --> 0:13:36.560 ruins my no, but it runs like other emotions. 0:13:36.600 --> 0:13:39.240 It helped me realize psycho comedians that we know or 0:13:39.320 --> 0:13:41.560 like people in our business because of like with Riley 0:13:41.559 --> 0:13:45.160 and Hockey, like suddenly when she loses her inner being 0:13:45.280 --> 0:13:48.240 and moral compass. She becomes someone that's like, if I'm 0:13:48.240 --> 0:13:50.440 good at hockey, I will have friends and I have 0:13:50.520 --> 0:13:53.040 to do anything I need to do to get good 0:13:53.080 --> 0:13:53.600 at hockey. 0:13:53.640 --> 0:13:57.440 And I'm like, I know psychopaths like this, I definitely do. 0:13:57.679 --> 0:14:02.240 And then Long Legs was so we but I liked 0:14:02.440 --> 0:14:04.160 that it was spooky. 0:14:04.320 --> 0:14:05.160 I'm like into it. 0:14:05.040 --> 0:14:06.920 It was Yellow Jacket Sea where you're like you think 0:14:06.960 --> 0:14:08.920 it's one thing and then it's actually something else, Like 0:14:09.000 --> 0:14:12.960 I haven't seen that many cop or like detective things 0:14:13.000 --> 0:14:14.880 where at the end it is just spooky. 0:14:16.320 --> 0:14:19.360 Yeah, I mean we should be yeah, like we should 0:14:19.360 --> 0:14:22.360 be able to talk about it now because it's so 0:14:22.360 --> 0:14:24.080 if you haven't seen Long Lives and you want to 0:14:24.120 --> 0:14:26.440 watch it fast forward, it's been out for months, but 0:14:26.560 --> 0:14:28.440 like I'm gonna give my review and there will be 0:14:28.440 --> 0:14:29.080 some spoilers. 0:14:29.400 --> 0:14:31.320 I just thought it was so good. 0:14:31.400 --> 0:14:35.240 Leading up to the end, and then because the the 0:14:35.240 --> 0:14:38.280 cinematography is amazing, the acting is good, like the vibe 0:14:38.560 --> 0:14:41.080 throughout the first half, I'm like, I am scared. 0:14:41.120 --> 0:14:42.680 I'm on the edge of my seat, what's happening. 0:14:43.240 --> 0:14:46.120 And then just at the end, it's just like, Hi, 0:14:46.240 --> 0:14:48.600 I'm just gonna tell you the story of everything that's happening, 0:14:48.640 --> 0:14:50.840 and then it's just an explanation at the end, Like 0:14:51.040 --> 0:14:53.080 the end of the movie is a nothing burger, and 0:14:53.120 --> 0:14:55.920 that bothered me, Like it the end, it's like, yeah, 0:14:56.040 --> 0:14:59.280 haunted doll, Like I don't know, it's just like I 0:14:59.320 --> 0:14:59.960 hated the end. 0:15:00.000 --> 0:15:02.720 Well, one of the things that I did screenshot in 0:15:02.800 --> 0:15:06.720 the Vulture article and it's an oz good quote, like 0:15:06.760 --> 0:15:11.840 the creator of it, but he was saying how the 0:15:11.880 --> 0:15:14.240 Devil's always behind her, and there's actually like Vulture has 0:15:14.280 --> 0:15:17.280 a series where there's the Devil is hidden in the 0:15:17.280 --> 0:15:20.920 background of all of these scenes. So that's kind of cool, 0:15:21.080 --> 0:15:22.760 Like you have to look at these photos because one 0:15:22.800 --> 0:15:25.200 you really really have to look, like it's not clear, 0:15:25.320 --> 0:15:28.920 but you see the devil everywhere, and the devil is 0:15:28.960 --> 0:15:32.160 guiding her. And basically what the Vulture article said was 0:15:32.600 --> 0:15:35.640 because the devil wants the worst thing possible, and her 0:15:35.680 --> 0:15:38.960 shooting her mother dead is the worst thing you can do, imagine, 0:15:39.080 --> 0:15:41.040 and that's why he lettered all of it. You know. 0:15:41.040 --> 0:15:43.240 It's like it's just like the devil wants to do 0:15:43.920 --> 0:15:47.320 devilish things, right, and there's not much more to it. 0:15:47.320 --> 0:15:50.720 It's just like demonic and so because we always are 0:15:50.800 --> 0:15:53.120 trying to find purpose and like why people are bad, 0:15:53.160 --> 0:15:55.040 and it's like, I don't know. The Devil's just bad 0:15:55.080 --> 0:15:57.480 and he wants it to be worse. Some people want 0:15:57.480 --> 0:16:01.520 to be Ursula, honey, you know, yeah, I just yeah, 0:16:01.560 --> 0:16:03.360 I guess, like no, but it was weird. I hated 0:16:03.400 --> 0:16:03.960 it the devil. 0:16:04.080 --> 0:16:08.400 I mean also like also, like Nick Cage is terrifying 0:16:08.400 --> 0:16:10.920 in it, Like that opening scene is so scary. 0:16:11.040 --> 0:16:13.840 Okay, he's screamed, I screamed, I shot But the man, 0:16:14.120 --> 0:16:15.040 it's so goofy. 0:16:15.080 --> 0:16:15.960 It's so goofy. 0:16:16.240 --> 0:16:19.960 Then yes, why are we then in his house watching 0:16:20.040 --> 0:16:22.760 him by himself? Why are we watching him drive his car? 0:16:22.840 --> 0:16:25.840 Because it's in the basement. He's he lives in the basement. 0:16:25.880 --> 0:16:27.440 I didn't know that of the mom's house. 0:16:28.200 --> 0:16:30.320 Oh he does. That's what I got from this vulture 0:16:30.600 --> 0:16:32.680 when I don't understand. Oh I didn't get that. 0:16:32.680 --> 0:16:34.240 That's what I mean. I don't get a lot of things, 0:16:34.280 --> 0:16:35.920 like True Detective. I remember when I watched that, I 0:16:35.920 --> 0:16:39.000 had to read every article and RecA I just don't 0:16:39.040 --> 0:16:42.560 get things. So that he lives in the mom's basement 0:16:42.600 --> 0:16:44.320 and that's why the bug comes out and she can't 0:16:44.360 --> 0:16:45.920 get into it and does it and she's like, what's 0:16:45.920 --> 0:16:46.360 down here? 0:16:46.440 --> 0:16:47.400 And he's living there. 0:16:48.040 --> 0:16:50.920 Oh, I didn't even put that together, so I'll be honest, 0:16:50.960 --> 0:16:53.240 I didn't get that. But like even watching him drive 0:16:53.280 --> 0:16:56.880 his car, it's like, let's leave him like this mysterious figure, 0:16:56.960 --> 0:16:59.520 Like I didn't really want there to be alone time 0:16:59.560 --> 0:17:01.960 with him. And then you know, Nick Cage is just 0:17:02.000 --> 0:17:04.880 fucking it's camp I mean, he's like camping it up 0:17:04.920 --> 0:17:08.639 with this character. Like, but there was a lot I 0:17:08.720 --> 0:17:11.320 liked about it, and I found going to watch it enjoyable. 0:17:11.520 --> 0:17:15.000 But I just was like the end was like it's 0:17:15.160 --> 0:17:17.119 it's all like a pop out to me. You know 0:17:17.200 --> 0:17:19.159 some movies it's like, oh, you're just trying to be 0:17:19.359 --> 0:17:23.960 so weird, and it's it's a full like marketing thing, 0:17:24.080 --> 0:17:28.119 like it's so it was so hyped as the scariest 0:17:28.160 --> 0:17:30.040 movie you'll see this year, and da da da, Like 0:17:30.119 --> 0:17:31.960 I don't know. I thought I had silence of the 0:17:32.040 --> 0:17:34.760 Lambs vibes at the beginning, like she's this weird little 0:17:34.760 --> 0:17:37.959 weirdo with her mom, and like, you know, I liked it. 0:17:38.040 --> 0:17:40.359 I thought Living City, I don't get why you have 0:17:40.440 --> 0:17:43.680 to be a lone female woman detective in the woods. 0:17:43.840 --> 0:17:46.879 Get a house I know with a neighbor, please living 0:17:47.119 --> 0:17:50.119 oh was living in the middle of nowhere. Get a 0:17:50.280 --> 0:17:55.000 dog or something like Jesus. Also, Blair Underwood SVU Alum 0:17:55.080 --> 0:17:57.360 is all one of the very few cast members. 0:17:57.440 --> 0:17:59.280 I have a huge Oh yeah, Blair Underwood. Of course, 0:17:59.280 --> 0:18:02.240 I'm sorry I got so hyped up. We were texting 0:18:02.280 --> 0:18:04.760 about this, but we do have a huge story. So 0:18:04.840 --> 0:18:09.520 I did a show in Connecticut and I'm talking to 0:18:09.560 --> 0:18:13.320 a listener and this is the story. So what's up Connecticut. 0:18:13.480 --> 0:18:17.880 So basically, she's a listener. She's in her car, she's 0:18:17.880 --> 0:18:20.879 listening to our episode Poison, whenever that episode came out 0:18:21.000 --> 0:18:24.720 with Tom Scarett, and we're talking about and this, I 0:18:24.760 --> 0:18:26.240 guess it's a nice time stamp. 0:18:26.280 --> 0:18:27.280 It's when I did Whippets. 0:18:27.480 --> 0:18:30.960 So I'm on, I guess the podcast talking about how 0:18:31.040 --> 0:18:33.080 I love whippets and how I only did it the 0:18:33.119 --> 0:18:34.840 one time. I've not done it since, but I did 0:18:34.840 --> 0:18:36.679 love it and I would do it again. And then 0:18:36.800 --> 0:18:42.440 you start saying, well, no, Colin our neurologist are podcast neurologist. 0:18:43.080 --> 0:18:45.280 He said that he has a patient who is fully 0:18:45.359 --> 0:18:47.879 brain dead. Paralyzed because of his whippet's addiction and how 0:18:47.960 --> 0:18:50.840 dangerous it really is. And this woman in the car 0:18:50.880 --> 0:18:56.400 realizes that her ex husband is Colin's patient and her 0:18:56.800 --> 0:18:59.119 that's who we were talking about. So she's listening to 0:18:59.119 --> 0:19:02.560 our podcast as just a podcast listener. Realizes your brother 0:19:03.600 --> 0:19:05.680 is the doctor of her ex husband who is brain 0:19:05.760 --> 0:19:09.200 dead because of fucking whippets. 0:19:09.840 --> 0:19:12.560 Well that's dark. It is really dark. 0:19:12.640 --> 0:19:15.320 Yeah, but she she didn't actly, it's the. 0:19:15.359 --> 0:19:16.520 Best thing that's happened to her. 0:19:16.760 --> 0:19:18.720 They got divorced, she has a daughter, she's doing a 0:19:18.720 --> 0:19:20.360 good job, she makes a lot of money. I mean, 0:19:20.400 --> 0:19:22.640 it is sad, of course. She's like, yeah, I saw 0:19:22.720 --> 0:19:24.399 him on OA. She didn't feel like it was a 0:19:24.440 --> 0:19:25.240 hip a violation. 0:19:25.359 --> 0:19:28.720 It's not like my brother gave away any describing details 0:19:28.720 --> 0:19:29.439 of this person. 0:19:29.560 --> 0:19:32.560 But wow, that was in her vibe. That wasn't her 0:19:32.640 --> 0:19:33.200 vibe at all. 0:19:33.440 --> 0:19:36.960 She I got a note hand it's me backstage from 0:19:37.000 --> 0:19:39.680 her and her friend like they were down to talk 0:19:39.720 --> 0:19:42.439 about it. They it honestly like repeating it. It is 0:19:42.480 --> 0:19:45.200 pretty dark, but hanging out with them was not dark. 0:19:45.280 --> 0:19:48.040 So it didn't really like settle with me, okay, but 0:19:48.960 --> 0:19:51.359 it was She's like, yeah, it was like Russia Shana, 0:19:51.359 --> 0:19:53.639 and I see him fucking doing whippets, you know, like 0:19:53.680 --> 0:19:56.639 at their family Russia Shaana. And that's like Steve O, 0:19:56.880 --> 0:19:58.640 like I might do it one more time, but now 0:19:58.720 --> 0:20:00.560 actually I might not because I don't. 0:20:00.760 --> 0:20:03.520 I can't risk it. Like he's never gonna know his child. 0:20:03.520 --> 0:20:04.440 It is sad. It's sad. 0:20:04.520 --> 0:20:07.679 I mean, I really can't see you doing whippets at 0:20:07.720 --> 0:20:10.520 Russia Shana. But yes, I mean you never know. It's 0:20:10.600 --> 0:20:14.080 like it's tough, like it sucks. Yeah, Like the first 0:20:14.119 --> 0:20:17.160 time I ever did ecstasy as it was called back 0:20:17.200 --> 0:20:19.560 in the day, Molly md me, Like I was like, oh, 0:20:19.600 --> 0:20:21.480 I shouldn't do this again. This is like the best 0:20:21.480 --> 0:20:23.960 thing ever, like I you know, like I was definitely 0:20:24.000 --> 0:20:25.920 and I have gone on to do it a couple 0:20:26.000 --> 0:20:29.800 of more times, but very very distance, big distances in between, 0:20:30.200 --> 0:20:33.359 because yeah, you gotta be careful, slippery slope. 0:20:33.400 --> 0:20:36.320 And I had another listener interaction. I went to the 0:20:36.359 --> 0:20:40.479 Brooklyn Cyclones game. But what's amazing was Friendship Bracelet night, 0:20:40.560 --> 0:20:42.400 and so I knew I was gonna get friendship bracelets 0:20:42.400 --> 0:20:44.280 and I made some and like they all say, Brooklyn 0:20:44.400 --> 0:20:47.040 and baseball, but it's because they can't call it Taylor 0:20:47.040 --> 0:20:49.560 Swift night. They played Taylor Swift the whole baseball game. 0:20:50.320 --> 0:20:54.000 Every game on the field was about Taylor Swift. 0:20:54.080 --> 0:20:56.879 Like it was wild. It was so cool, and I 0:20:56.920 --> 0:20:59.280 got just wow. Yeah, and you have the bracelets. Where 0:20:59.320 --> 0:21:01.880 did you get base all like charms? You ordered them 0:21:01.960 --> 0:21:04.159 or you went to do like a bead shop? Now, No, 0:21:04.240 --> 0:21:07.199 it was it was the Cyclones had Friendship bracelet night. 0:21:07.240 --> 0:21:10.320 They they gave us. Oh they had oh cute, Okay, 0:21:10.320 --> 0:21:11.800 they gave us. I thought you meant you made them 0:21:11.800 --> 0:21:14.040 in advance. Okay, I made some as well for the 0:21:14.080 --> 0:21:17.399 friends that came with me. I made Cyclones once, but 0:21:17.440 --> 0:21:18.920 then they gave me for clu. Yeah, because I was like, 0:21:18.920 --> 0:21:21.080 where'd you get baseball charms? You have like a bad 0:21:21.160 --> 0:21:23.760 dealer now, Like, but I do have some new beads. 0:21:23.760 --> 0:21:26.399 I have some new charms. I'm working diligently. I'm making 0:21:26.440 --> 0:21:29.040 a lot. I have like four bead projects happening at 0:21:29.080 --> 0:21:31.000 once at the moment. Next time I come to New York, 0:21:31.040 --> 0:21:32.520 I'm coming to the apartment. Now that I know the 0:21:32.600 --> 0:21:35.200 art is hung, I'm worried that I'm gonna be waiting 0:21:35.240 --> 0:21:37.320 into a pool of friendship bracelets by the time I 0:21:37.320 --> 0:21:37.680 get there. 0:21:37.760 --> 0:21:38.520 So there's SPADs. 0:21:39.119 --> 0:21:41.080 There's loose SPADs everywhere around my apartment. It's the new 0:21:41.080 --> 0:21:43.680 bobby pin. It's the new Bobby pin. Like I'll drop 0:21:43.720 --> 0:21:46.120 a bead and be like, well there, it's the new 0:21:46.160 --> 0:21:48.960 water bottle with one sip left. Oh my god, I'm money. 0:21:49.000 --> 0:21:51.480 They're still around. Wait, hold on, you went to see 0:21:51.480 --> 0:21:52.720 Oh Mary I'm Broadway. 0:21:53.000 --> 0:21:53.320 Wow. 0:21:53.440 --> 0:21:55.880 Yes, I went to see Oh Mary on Broadway. Very 0:21:55.920 --> 0:21:57.480 fun very funny show. 0:21:58.680 --> 0:21:58.840 Yeah. 0:21:58.840 --> 0:22:00.680 I don't really, I just I thought it was great. 0:22:01.040 --> 0:22:02.920 Well, so someone I know comes up to me and 0:22:02.920 --> 0:22:05.000 he goes, I finally met one person who didn't like it. 0:22:05.520 --> 0:22:07.360 And then when they told me who it was, I go, well, yeah, 0:22:07.359 --> 0:22:09.320 this man is in the closet. Of course he doesn't 0:22:09.359 --> 0:22:14.479 like a performance of like full gay absurdity. He'd and 0:22:14.640 --> 0:22:16.760 thought it was cheap or whatever because he's in the 0:22:16.760 --> 0:22:18.680 closet and married to a woman when he's clearly gay. 0:22:19.520 --> 0:22:22.680 And my friends started laughing. But it's like, bro, if 0:22:22.680 --> 0:22:24.560 you're the only person who doesn't like it, it's so 0:22:24.600 --> 0:22:26.199 I'm gonna tell you who it is so everyone can 0:22:26.280 --> 0:22:28.879 hear you laugh. Okay, yes, okay, I can't wait for 0:22:28.920 --> 0:22:30.880 you to nurse the chot. Are you ready? I'm gonna 0:22:30.880 --> 0:22:33.320 I want to time it perfect. You got the chat up? Okay, 0:22:33.320 --> 0:22:35.760 I got the chat up. I haven't hit Entrea. Okay, 0:22:40.040 --> 0:22:46.880 I hated it. Oh my god, that is so hilarious. Yeah, 0:22:47.160 --> 0:22:48.480 that's so oh my. 0:22:48.440 --> 0:22:52.400 God, crazily. I was talking about this person last night. Wow, 0:22:52.400 --> 0:22:54.560 I was talking about this person last night. I saw 0:22:54.720 --> 0:22:58.320 Eddie Redmain on my walk to see Oh Mary. When 0:22:58.359 --> 0:23:01.320 I saw it, Oh, because he's on Broadway too, so 0:23:01.400 --> 0:23:02.080 we saw each other. 0:23:02.119 --> 0:23:04.959 You saw the Danish girl. He probably told us. I 0:23:05.000 --> 0:23:08.800 bet he told his friends too. I saw some woman. 0:23:10.040 --> 0:23:12.320 Oh my god, that's why. Okay, we I mean, we've 0:23:12.359 --> 0:23:14.720 been gone for so long. Oh, if anyone can help me, 0:23:14.720 --> 0:23:16.159 I guess I'll bring this up. So I have like 0:23:16.200 --> 0:23:19.119 a new one two three, there's like I have a 0:23:19.160 --> 0:23:22.920 new like hook thingy. But outside of keys, what else 0:23:22.920 --> 0:23:25.440 am I hanging on the hooks an umbrella? There's still 0:23:25.480 --> 0:23:28.359 four more hooks left? What are people hanging on their hooks? 0:23:28.440 --> 0:23:32.320 Oh, you'll think of stuff like let's say you're like 0:23:32.400 --> 0:23:34.280 doing a like a gig one. 0:23:34.119 --> 0:23:35.000 Time or something like. 0:23:35.160 --> 0:23:36.480 I don't know, there might be something you need like 0:23:36.480 --> 0:23:38.879 a security pass, like don't forget it every day, you know, 0:23:39.200 --> 0:23:40.639 or like security. 0:23:40.760 --> 0:23:44.040 Yes, I don't know, Like we're not gonna do work 0:23:44.040 --> 0:23:45.320 at the un no. 0:23:45.440 --> 0:23:47.880 You know if you work on like a TV production 0:23:48.040 --> 0:23:50.280 or something like that where there's like past Oh my god. 0:23:50.320 --> 0:23:51.720 Guess who I'm at. 0:23:52.080 --> 0:23:54.919 Someone that's a party planner who does the Vanity Fair 0:23:54.960 --> 0:23:56.600 Oscar party and they're gonna do this. 0:23:57.320 --> 0:23:57.840 Yeah? 0:23:57.960 --> 0:24:01.639 Yeah, I said, what's the most expensive party that you plan? 0:24:02.119 --> 0:24:06.040 I bet you peppered them with questions. 0:24:12.160 --> 0:24:14.200 What's the most expensive you asked? I said, what's the 0:24:14.200 --> 0:24:16.280 most expensive event you guys have done? And he said 0:24:16.320 --> 0:24:18.720 the Vanity Fair Oscar party, And all of a sudden, 0:24:18.760 --> 0:24:22.080 I went, okay, like we have a convo. 0:24:22.320 --> 0:24:26.440 Go in now. Yeah that's fun. Yeah, that was the threat. 0:24:26.480 --> 0:24:28.080 Get them to come on the pod. We'll do it. 0:24:28.320 --> 0:24:30.440 Oh. Also, thank you to everyone that came to show 0:24:30.440 --> 0:24:32.000 and tell at Union Hall. I'm and I do another 0:24:32.040 --> 0:24:34.720 one in October. Casey is getting mad at us, but 0:24:34.960 --> 0:24:36.880 I it's he's pissed. 0:24:37.119 --> 0:24:38.240 We will not stop talking. 0:24:38.400 --> 0:24:40.360 Every time we say that, though, they send us messages 0:24:40.359 --> 0:24:41.800 that are like tell Casey to shut up, and it's 0:24:41.840 --> 0:24:43.760 like Casey's not really doing anything that bad. It's not 0:24:43.800 --> 0:24:46.359 like he's fuming. He's sitting here grinning with his cute 0:24:46.359 --> 0:24:48.320 baby like he's not mad at us. 0:24:49.480 --> 0:24:50.600 I think he's just like, Wow. 0:24:50.720 --> 0:24:53.320 Every minute you guys ramble about nonsense is more time 0:24:53.359 --> 0:24:54.960 I have to edit to make you sound normal. 0:24:56.080 --> 0:24:57.840 No, but thank you for coming. 0:24:57.960 --> 0:25:00.640 Everyone was so funny and so down the clim and 0:25:00.720 --> 0:25:03.440 I'm doing it again in October, so come to show amazing. 0:25:03.800 --> 0:25:07.960 It was so speaking of thank you, Yes, I would 0:25:07.960 --> 0:25:10.680 hope to come be on be at one on one 0:25:10.720 --> 0:25:11.320 at some point. 0:25:11.359 --> 0:25:12.280 That sounds so fun. 0:25:12.880 --> 0:25:15.359 But if you want to see Lisa Moore, go to 0:25:15.359 --> 0:25:17.400 That's Messed Up live dot com. Go to the Lisa's 0:25:17.400 --> 0:25:20.320 website tab that has her link. Treat all her ticket links. 0:25:20.720 --> 0:25:23.120 And if you guys haven't, if you've been living under 0:25:23.119 --> 0:25:26.080 a little pumpkin, we are doing a Spooky season tour. 0:25:26.480 --> 0:25:29.560 We're going to be in Denver on October sixteenth, Phoenix 0:25:29.600 --> 0:25:33.160 on October seventeenth, San Diego on the twentieth, Los Angeles 0:25:33.160 --> 0:25:35.200 on the twenty first, San Francisco on the twenty second, 0:25:35.240 --> 0:25:36.960 and Portland on the twenty third. We're going bing Bang 0:25:36.960 --> 0:25:41.360 bong baby and listen and Lisa's in San Diego the eighteenth, nineteenth, 0:25:41.520 --> 0:25:43.560 doing that before the before we I'm. 0:25:43.359 --> 0:25:47.440 Doing like a many fall winter tour random dates until 0:25:47.480 --> 0:25:50.480 the special drops. So you come to see me, Come 0:25:50.520 --> 0:25:53.919 see me, mostly Toronto. We need Toronto, and that's. 0:25:53.680 --> 0:25:55.359 Gonna be I am. 0:25:55.480 --> 0:25:57.720 We're pretty positive these are going to be our only 0:25:57.760 --> 0:25:59.960 tour dates for the coming fall and winters. 0:26:00.119 --> 0:26:02.200 So we'll see you guys in twenty twenty five. 0:26:03.080 --> 0:26:06.919 But if you live remotely close to any of these locations, 0:26:07.320 --> 0:26:10.440 come come make the track because this is the only 0:26:10.880 --> 0:26:13.320 all we're offering for twenty twenty four. And yeah, that's 0:26:13.320 --> 0:26:15.600 messed up. Live dot com has all those ticket links. 0:26:15.680 --> 0:26:18.119 Don't Google because people are always telling us like I 0:26:18.200 --> 0:26:20.360 Googled and then I got a I got a bad 0:26:20.359 --> 0:26:22.480 ticket link. I got scammed. Just we have all the 0:26:22.720 --> 0:26:26.800 correct links on our site. And yeah, should we get started. 0:26:26.840 --> 0:26:30.359 We've got a great episode lined up for you. 0:26:30.640 --> 0:26:31.400 Here we go. 0:26:36.000 --> 0:26:41.360 Okay, today we are doing the episode Dearly Beloved from 0:26:41.520 --> 0:26:45.680 season twenty, episode nineteen. This air two days after Rosie's 0:26:45.680 --> 0:26:47.680 birthday April fourth, twenty nineteen. 0:26:48.000 --> 0:26:50.480 Yeah, do you watch it at the hospital? I don't 0:26:50.480 --> 0:26:51.600 think I watched it at the hospital. 0:26:51.640 --> 0:26:53.720 I probably definitely had it on MYDVR when I got 0:26:53.720 --> 0:26:56.800 home and was probably watching it while I dealt with 0:26:56.840 --> 0:27:00.639 the new days of motherhood. And this episode starts with 0:27:00.720 --> 0:27:02.960 the song Dreams by Beck playing. 0:27:03.080 --> 0:27:05.120 I don't know that off the top of my head. 0:27:05.160 --> 0:27:07.320 I just watched with the captions on, and you know, 0:27:07.400 --> 0:27:10.880 the show doesn't often pay for known music, but when 0:27:10.880 --> 0:27:14.080 they do, it's music by a scientologist. 0:27:14.200 --> 0:27:19.280 And so, I mean Beck is a scientologist. I didn't 0:27:19.320 --> 0:27:20.760 know that well. 0:27:20.800 --> 0:27:22.840 I've always heard he was a scientologist, but now I'm 0:27:23.320 --> 0:27:25.879 now I'm googling it and I'm seeing like a Daily 0:27:25.960 --> 0:27:30.960 Beast article from twenty nineteen claiming saying Beck claims he 0:27:31.000 --> 0:27:33.680 was never a scientologist, but Lea Remeni and others call 0:27:33.800 --> 0:27:35.720 bs so I could be one of those things where 0:27:35.760 --> 0:27:38.520 he grew up in it, but like now as an adult, 0:27:38.560 --> 0:27:39.080 he doesn't. 0:27:39.520 --> 0:27:41.600 He doesn't take it. And I like Beck's music. I'm not. 0:27:41.640 --> 0:27:43.120 I was just kind of trying to make a joke. 0:27:43.200 --> 0:27:47.320 But you know, Mike Rinder famously from the Scientology show 0:27:47.320 --> 0:27:52.359 that Lea Remeni made and her they don't think they were, Like, 0:27:52.400 --> 0:27:55.320 he's acting like he was never a scientologist, but like 0:27:55.480 --> 0:27:58.040 that's because now he's getting labeled like he's never gotten 0:27:58.080 --> 0:28:01.800 attack like we did and blah blah blah. So Remedie says, 0:28:01.840 --> 0:28:03.119 pussy move, you can. 0:28:03.040 --> 0:28:06.800 Quote me on that. What are you gonna do? I'm 0:28:06.800 --> 0:28:08.760 not going to fight le A Remedy on anything. Okay. 0:28:09.240 --> 0:28:14.280 So the groom is like, you know, the guy is 0:28:14.280 --> 0:28:17.000 polishing his shoes, buttons, cuffs, getting his boat tie on. 0:28:17.080 --> 0:28:19.560 It's definitely a wedding. And this groom is like, there's 0:28:19.600 --> 0:28:22.000 a crease in my collar? Are my eyebrows too bushy? 0:28:22.359 --> 0:28:24.240 And I guess I just like really never considered a 0:28:24.280 --> 0:28:28.840 groom ever caring that much. Like I always assume groom's 0:28:28.920 --> 0:28:31.600 just like strapped on that cumber bund and got out there. 0:28:31.960 --> 0:28:35.359 But as this guy seems very invested, he gets a 0:28:35.400 --> 0:28:37.800 call from an unknown number and he can't believe someone 0:28:37.840 --> 0:28:40.120 is calling him on his special day. But it could 0:28:40.200 --> 0:28:43.040 be a patient. It's he's a shrink. So we cut 0:28:43.080 --> 0:28:45.120 to the gals and the bridal suite and they seem 0:28:45.440 --> 0:28:47.520 much more chill, like one of them is like I 0:28:47.640 --> 0:28:51.760 have weed and like they're drinking champagne. The vibe is upbeat, 0:28:52.080 --> 0:28:54.120 and the bride goes, I'm getting married today, and if 0:28:54.160 --> 0:28:57.760 I'm lucky pregnant tonight and I'm like, oof, queen, it's 0:28:57.760 --> 0:29:00.440 your day, but not my not on my list of 0:29:00.440 --> 0:29:04.400 goals for my wedding night. Okay, So then the bride's 0:29:04.440 --> 0:29:07.080 dad walks her down the aisle. The beck is still playing. 0:29:07.200 --> 0:29:10.760 The wedding is at a church. Everyone looks excited. The 0:29:10.800 --> 0:29:14.160 priest starts his god talk and immediately launches in to 0:29:14.240 --> 0:29:16.880 speak now or forever hold your piece, And who should 0:29:16.920 --> 0:29:20.560 stand up but Sharie Appleby the actress who played the 0:29:20.640 --> 0:29:23.680 victim in the episode Military Justice that we've covered that 0:29:24.040 --> 0:29:28.480 just aired in the SVU Universe five seasons ago. She's 0:29:28.520 --> 0:29:31.440 so recognizable to me and like having her be the 0:29:31.480 --> 0:29:34.520 main victim of two episodes with only five seasons, Cushion, 0:29:35.120 --> 0:29:36.520 That's kind of what I mean when I say it 0:29:36.520 --> 0:29:37.960 takes me out of it a little bit, because, like, 0:29:38.240 --> 0:29:40.920 you know, but also love her and unreal. I think 0:29:40.960 --> 0:29:45.600 she plays like sort of unlike lightly unstable. I think 0:29:45.640 --> 0:29:48.200 she plays it really well. She interrupts to tell the 0:29:48.240 --> 0:29:53.040 shocked crowd that the groom raped her gasps everywhere like 0:29:53.120 --> 0:29:56.160 the whole crowd. Obviously, this is hundreds of extras. They 0:29:56.200 --> 0:30:02.920 are all gasping. In the next scene, Crisy and Benson 0:30:03.240 --> 0:30:05.880 are there on the case and he's like, fada, what's 0:30:05.960 --> 0:30:07.720 up like talking to the priest, and the priest is like, 0:30:07.960 --> 0:30:10.000 I don't know who else to call. Everyone's inside, but 0:30:10.080 --> 0:30:14.959 it's not pretty inside. The vibes are in shambles. Sharie 0:30:14.960 --> 0:30:19.040 Apple be aka Kitty Bennett is like, I'm sorry, I 0:30:19.120 --> 0:30:21.920 was just trying to help. Like her reaction is truly wild. 0:30:22.040 --> 0:30:27.120 She's like, why is everybody so upset? Like she doesn't understand, 0:30:27.160 --> 0:30:30.120 like the bombshell she's just dropped, I guess. The groom 0:30:30.160 --> 0:30:33.360 refuses to walk away from his possible bride to be 0:30:33.520 --> 0:30:35.920 to talk to Careesy, and the bride is just sobbing 0:30:35.960 --> 0:30:40.240 to her mother. Benson takes Kitty away and she yells, Lana, 0:30:40.320 --> 0:30:42.480 one day, you'll thank me for this, And one of 0:30:42.480 --> 0:30:44.600 the bride'smaids is like, bitch, shut the fuck up and 0:30:44.600 --> 0:30:46.560 like try to let to rap at her. Yeah, I 0:30:46.600 --> 0:30:49.120 love her. She's like, you psycho, bitch, get out of here. 0:30:49.160 --> 0:30:51.600 You just ruin my friend's life. Benson breaks it up 0:30:51.880 --> 0:30:53.960 and Kitty's acting like she just told the bride that 0:30:54.000 --> 0:30:56.000 she had toilet paper on her shoe. She's like, I 0:30:56.080 --> 0:30:59.920 just wanted somebody to know, like she's acting really, really 0:31:00.360 --> 0:31:03.280 weirdly nonchalant, and Benson goes, well, now everybody does know. 0:31:03.760 --> 0:31:07.160 And now we're at the credits and Rowins is here 0:31:07.200 --> 0:31:09.360 now and she and Benson are talking to Kitty. 0:31:09.880 --> 0:31:10.640 The groom. 0:31:10.800 --> 0:31:13.520 Josh Hensley, who they referred to as doctor Hensley a 0:31:13.520 --> 0:31:16.840 lot throughout the episode, is a therapist, so I don't 0:31:16.840 --> 0:31:19.240 know if he's they call him a psychologist. So later, 0:31:19.280 --> 0:31:22.080 so he's a psychologist and he's the groom. She says 0:31:22.520 --> 0:31:24.920 she went to see him on December eleventh. She knows 0:31:25.040 --> 0:31:27.160 the exact date without having to look at a date 0:31:27.200 --> 0:31:30.120 book or a palm pilot or anything, and it was 0:31:30.120 --> 0:31:32.320 a few months after her mom died. She said she 0:31:32.360 --> 0:31:35.760 saw him after work. A receptionist had booked the appointment, 0:31:35.760 --> 0:31:37.720 but she must have gone home at that point. He 0:31:37.800 --> 0:31:39.080 was really nice and professional. 0:31:39.120 --> 0:31:39.560 At first. 0:31:39.640 --> 0:31:41.800 She told him her story that she's the only child 0:31:41.840 --> 0:31:44.040 that her dad left and she just missed her mom 0:31:44.080 --> 0:31:46.400 so much. She started to cry, and that's when he 0:31:46.480 --> 0:31:48.800 came and sat next to her on the couch and 0:31:48.840 --> 0:31:50.840 he asked to give her a hug, and he said 0:31:50.840 --> 0:31:53.800 it was normal and Live goes it's not, and it's like, okay, Live, 0:31:53.840 --> 0:31:56.360 you're correct, But also, mister Noodle bought you jewelry, so 0:31:56.600 --> 0:31:59.120 I don't know if you know the actual line on 0:31:59.320 --> 0:32:03.680 therapy therapist's behavior. So then he started to stroke her hair, 0:32:03.720 --> 0:32:05.560 and she said she knew it wasn't normal, but she 0:32:05.640 --> 0:32:08.040 was too scared to stop them. He pushed her back, 0:32:08.360 --> 0:32:10.440 put his hand up her skirt. She told him to stop, 0:32:10.520 --> 0:32:13.520 he didn't listen. He forced himself on her, and she 0:32:13.560 --> 0:32:15.720 said she just laid there like a rag doll until 0:32:15.760 --> 0:32:18.680 it was done. Now we cut to Hensley, the groom, 0:32:18.720 --> 0:32:21.080 and he's freaking out like I'm with a detective on 0:32:21.120 --> 0:32:24.160 my wedding day, Like he truly has bride vibes, And 0:32:24.200 --> 0:32:26.479 he says he has no idea who Kitty even is, 0:32:26.560 --> 0:32:28.320 but she just ruined the best day of his life. 0:32:28.720 --> 0:32:32.040 Kitty tells liv she never told a soul about the attack. 0:32:32.200 --> 0:32:34.160 She was too ashamed and she was afraid that no 0:32:34.200 --> 0:32:36.320 one would believe her. The next day, she called in 0:32:36.360 --> 0:32:38.640 sick to her job, and then like after that, she 0:32:38.720 --> 0:32:42.200 ended up missing so much work over this incident that 0:32:42.360 --> 0:32:45.840 the job let her go. So they asked her, have 0:32:45.960 --> 0:32:48.680 you had any contact with him after the assault, and 0:32:48.720 --> 0:32:50.360 she just shakes her head. And then they're like, well, 0:32:50.400 --> 0:32:52.800 how'd you find out about the wedding? And she says 0:32:52.880 --> 0:32:55.719 on Instagram and she goes, I never thought the police 0:32:55.720 --> 0:32:58.520 would be getting involved. And it's like, ma'am, you've leveled 0:32:58.560 --> 0:33:01.040 a huge accusation at a two undred wedding, Like, come 0:33:01.080 --> 0:33:03.400 on now, Like, I don't understand how you thought the 0:33:03.400 --> 0:33:05.560 cops were not going to be involved at all. She's like, 0:33:05.600 --> 0:33:07.640 I just wanted him to be punished and humiliated, like 0:33:07.720 --> 0:33:10.360 I was, I guess. And then back to Josh. He 0:33:10.520 --> 0:33:13.360 needs to talk to Lana and Rollins is like, what's up? 0:33:13.400 --> 0:33:13.800 Dog? Like? 0:33:13.840 --> 0:33:16.160 She says she was your patient and he's like that's 0:33:16.280 --> 0:33:19.080 not true. That never happened. There's no appointment, and Crisey's like, 0:33:19.440 --> 0:33:21.320 we'll go find out, and he goes, let's go to 0:33:21.360 --> 0:33:24.280 my office right now. There's no file, no billing record, nothing, 0:33:24.760 --> 0:33:26.480 And they're like, well, why would she accuse you? 0:33:26.560 --> 0:33:28.160 And he's like, I have no clue. 0:33:28.320 --> 0:33:30.560 So then Rollins goes into guy's girl mode, you know, 0:33:30.600 --> 0:33:32.320 she goes, maybe it was like a fling, you know, 0:33:32.360 --> 0:33:34.480 maybe it was like a last hurrah before your wedding. 0:33:34.560 --> 0:33:35.440 I know how you guys do. 0:33:35.960 --> 0:33:38.600 And he's like, I have never ever cheated on Laana 0:33:39.080 --> 0:33:40.840 And he's like, this will destroy me. 0:33:40.920 --> 0:33:41.840 You guys got to help me. 0:33:42.000 --> 0:33:44.680 Like you're honestly on his side, like a little bit 0:33:44.680 --> 0:33:46.440 at the beginning, You're like, wow, is she just like 0:33:46.520 --> 0:33:49.560 making this up out of nowhere? Because it's just weird 0:33:49.560 --> 0:33:52.240 that there would be zero connection that that's what he's maintaining. 0:33:52.720 --> 0:33:56.040 Back at the precinct, Benson is like, Kitty seems like 0:33:56.040 --> 0:33:58.200 a typical victim and Crisey's like yeah, but the dude 0:33:58.200 --> 0:34:00.959 swears he's never seen her. And Ben's like, well, why 0:34:01.000 --> 0:34:03.720 don't you guys go confirm that the appointment happened. So 0:34:03.760 --> 0:34:06.440 now they're at Chelsea Medical and a receptionist is on 0:34:06.480 --> 0:34:08.839 the phone making an appointment for a chemical peel. So 0:34:09.400 --> 0:34:11.640 this is this receptionist handles all kinds of things from 0:34:11.719 --> 0:34:17.880 chemical peels to therapy. Okay, we got lip injections to hysterectomies. 0:34:17.920 --> 0:34:20.000 I don't know what's going on at Chelsea Medical. And 0:34:20.000 --> 0:34:22.759 they're like, Hi, we're from SVU. You know what that is, right, 0:34:22.800 --> 0:34:25.560 you watch TV? We need to confirm an appointment, And 0:34:25.600 --> 0:34:28.160 she's like, oh, doctor Hensley's on his honeymoon. She's like 0:34:28.400 --> 0:34:31.240 just sort of not getting it, and they're like, we know, sweetie, 0:34:31.280 --> 0:34:32.759 we just need to look at his appointment book. And 0:34:32.800 --> 0:34:34.800 she's like, isn't that like a hip of violation and 0:34:34.880 --> 0:34:37.560 Creasy goes h no, because we don't need to see 0:34:37.600 --> 0:34:39.520 medical records, so it's cool, which. 0:34:39.280 --> 0:34:39.759 Is a lie. 0:34:39.840 --> 0:34:42.160 I mean, the whole reason why you write your name 0:34:42.239 --> 0:34:45.240 now on like stickers when you sign in to medical 0:34:45.239 --> 0:34:47.800 offices is because then they remove the sticker immediately. Because 0:34:47.800 --> 0:34:50.480 sign in sheets are a hip of violation. You can't 0:34:50.520 --> 0:34:53.720 just show people Like technically, I'm not even allowed to say, Lisa, 0:34:53.840 --> 0:34:55.839 I know you go to doctor so and so on 0:34:55.880 --> 0:34:58.839 this podcast. That's like a violation of HIPPA, you know, like. 0:34:58.920 --> 0:35:00.720 Not what you've had done a doctor. 0:35:01.520 --> 0:35:01.680 Right. 0:35:01.719 --> 0:35:02.600 But if okay, so. 0:35:02.600 --> 0:35:04.480 If I worked at a doctor's office because I worked 0:35:04.480 --> 0:35:05.719 at my mom's office and I had to get hip 0:35:05.760 --> 0:35:07.680 A certified, and if I said, oh, you've been a 0:35:07.680 --> 0:35:09.719 patient of my mom's for a long time, that would 0:35:09.719 --> 0:35:13.000 be a hip of violation, like because even though it's 0:35:13.040 --> 0:35:15.120 just a pediatrician, you know, like even though it's like 0:35:15.560 --> 0:35:19.200 you know, that's not likely like releasing anything about your 0:35:19.239 --> 0:35:20.840 medical actual history. 0:35:21.040 --> 0:35:23.080 It's a violation even to say who your doctor is. 0:35:23.600 --> 0:35:26.399 So Cariese kind of fudges it, and the girl gets 0:35:26.440 --> 0:35:28.719 the book and the calendar and there is no appointment 0:35:28.719 --> 0:35:30.680 for that date, but there is one for seven fifteen, 0:35:30.719 --> 0:35:33.319 and it says Hannah Berkowitz with a phone number, and 0:35:33.360 --> 0:35:35.480 they are written in pencil. Careesy points out, so they 0:35:35.520 --> 0:35:37.440 could have been changed, and the lady's like, well, yeah, 0:35:37.440 --> 0:35:39.919 I guess if the client changes, but you can also 0:35:40.000 --> 0:35:41.920 tell when something's been erased in pencil, and there's there 0:35:41.960 --> 0:35:43.320 was nothing in the six fifteen slot. 0:35:43.880 --> 0:35:46.239 So on the way out, Cariese says. 0:35:46.080 --> 0:35:48.560 He memorized the phone number by Hannah's name, so if 0:35:48.640 --> 0:35:51.520 Kitty was there, maybe Hannah saw her leave. So now 0:35:51.520 --> 0:35:55.319 they're at a toe above the rest ballet studio, and 0:35:55.360 --> 0:35:58.719 I'm it's I don't really think ballet's studios do kind 0:35:58.719 --> 0:36:01.319 of like cute sceneames like that. But maybe maybe I'm wrong, 0:36:02.120 --> 0:36:03.680 and she's talking to Hannah Brookowitz. 0:36:03.719 --> 0:36:06.400 I just don't think like to's should be in the 0:36:06.480 --> 0:36:07.200 name of anything. 0:36:07.680 --> 0:36:10.160 Yeah, yeah, yeah, toe should be men's toe should be illegal, 0:36:10.200 --> 0:36:12.600 as you've said previously, which I do think would be 0:36:12.640 --> 0:36:13.080 good merch. 0:36:13.239 --> 0:36:17.160 I could have been a bow above the rest, a 0:36:17.239 --> 0:36:19.960 bow above the a bun above the yeah buds. 0:36:20.160 --> 0:36:21.879 Yeah, I don't know, we could have done something better. 0:36:22.239 --> 0:36:25.600 And Hannah Brookwitz is played by Poppy Lou who if 0:36:25.600 --> 0:36:29.200 you watch Hacks, she is Debra's blackjack dealer and a 0:36:29.280 --> 0:36:32.839 very funny character. And she actually posted a very cute 0:36:32.840 --> 0:36:35.839 photo from the set of her and Lucy Lou, who 0:36:35.920 --> 0:36:39.320 directed this episode in case anybody Yeah, Lucy Lou directed 0:36:39.360 --> 0:36:43.120 this episode, and she says in the caption that their cousins, 0:36:43.600 --> 0:36:45.759 and she's likelu she was like, oh my god, so 0:36:45.880 --> 0:36:48.320 honored to work with you. You're one of my like Asian 0:36:48.440 --> 0:36:52.200 female role models. But then she also mentions family again, 0:36:52.280 --> 0:36:54.160 so I do think maybe they're related, and she goes, 0:36:54.480 --> 0:36:56.799 Lucy Lou does whatever she wants, like casting me as 0:36:56.840 --> 0:36:59.840 Hannah Burkowitz lol, because I mean I think clearly that 0:37:00.040 --> 0:37:02.879 as you know, really seem like who you'd imagine when 0:37:02.880 --> 0:37:05.200 you imagine a hannahburk Witz. And she said they spoke 0:37:05.280 --> 0:37:07.360 Mandarin on the set to one another, and she was 0:37:07.400 --> 0:37:09.399 like so pumped she got to work with Lucy low 0:37:09.520 --> 0:37:11.840 so kind of some cute behind the scenes if we 0:37:11.880 --> 0:37:14.080 couldn't get Poppy Lou on the pod, we at least 0:37:14.080 --> 0:37:18.120 got her Instagram caption. So talking to Rollins and Careese, 0:37:18.400 --> 0:37:21.319 she goes, oh, yeah, that night December eleventh. You don't 0:37:21.320 --> 0:37:23.960 even have to tell me twice again. Nobody checks their calendars. 0:37:24.000 --> 0:37:26.160 Everyone knows exact I don't know where I was two 0:37:26.239 --> 0:37:28.000 days ago. I have to look at my Google calendar 0:37:28.040 --> 0:37:31.360 for everything. I would be I would be charged with 0:37:31.400 --> 0:37:35.279 a crime. Like I would be like, I don't know me. 0:37:35.960 --> 0:37:38.120 Like if they took my phone and they were like, 0:37:38.160 --> 0:37:39.920 you can't look at your Google calendar, I'd be like, 0:37:40.000 --> 0:37:42.360 I'm sorry, I can't tell you, like where I was, 0:37:42.360 --> 0:37:43.000 I have no idea. 0:37:43.520 --> 0:37:44.840 So it's wild. 0:37:44.880 --> 0:37:47.160 She goes, oh, yeah, December eleventh, I know showed my 0:37:47.200 --> 0:37:49.200 appointment that night. I had a big recital in Philly. 0:37:49.400 --> 0:37:51.160 Was like getting back to the city because of traffic 0:37:51.160 --> 0:37:53.960 in the tunnel, like she knows so many details. Rollins 0:37:54.000 --> 0:37:57.400 is like, Okay, doctor Hensley, did he ever do anything 0:37:57.440 --> 0:37:58.080 weird with you? 0:37:58.719 --> 0:37:59.680 Like, try anything? 0:37:59.719 --> 0:38:02.719 And she's like, I'm gay actually, and doctor Hensley helped 0:38:02.760 --> 0:38:04.719 me come out two years ago. She's like, is he 0:38:04.760 --> 0:38:08.160 in some kind of trouble and Caresey Cresy probably shouldn't 0:38:08.160 --> 0:38:09.880 be answering, like as a cop, I don't think you're 0:38:09.880 --> 0:38:12.160 supposed to like give out more information. And Creasy goes, 0:38:12.360 --> 0:38:14.680 one of his female patients may have had some issues, 0:38:14.880 --> 0:38:17.359 and I think that's too much to disclose. But Hannah goes, 0:38:17.680 --> 0:38:21.319 wait a minute, is her name Kitty Bennett? And they're like, 0:38:22.040 --> 0:38:25.200 how do you know who Kitty Bennett? And she's like, well, 0:38:25.200 --> 0:38:27.480 I don't know her in real life, but she stalked 0:38:27.520 --> 0:38:30.080 me on Instagram. She's like, I left a comment on 0:38:30.080 --> 0:38:32.440 one of doctor Hensley's photos, So again I have to 0:38:32.560 --> 0:38:35.360 I should have also called this out earlier, when we 0:38:35.400 --> 0:38:37.720 found out that Kitty found out about the wedding from 0:38:38.000 --> 0:38:41.600 his Instagram. I don't think most therapists have their instagrams open. 0:38:42.239 --> 0:38:46.040 I don't think if they do, they're not letting their 0:38:47.200 --> 0:38:49.560 they're not letting patients follow them, you know, like they 0:38:49.560 --> 0:38:52.160 probably restrict their follower like, you know, there's just no way. 0:38:52.680 --> 0:38:56.439 So she commented on her therapist's photo, and then Kitty 0:38:56.520 --> 0:38:59.840 started following her, dming her, insisting they get coffee to 0:38:59.840 --> 0:39:02.600 talk about the doc, and Hannah's like, I don't even 0:39:02.640 --> 0:39:04.560 tell my best friend about my therapy. I'm not going 0:39:04.600 --> 0:39:07.400 to spill my guts to some rando, especially about this 0:39:07.480 --> 0:39:10.799 doctor who basically saved my life. And she said she 0:39:10.920 --> 0:39:14.440 responded to Kitty's first message, but that unfortunately gave her 0:39:14.840 --> 0:39:17.280 license to write her every single day for a month. 0:39:17.360 --> 0:39:20.600 And Hannah's like, finally I had to block like and 0:39:20.640 --> 0:39:24.200 she goes that chick is straight up psycho. So that's 0:39:24.200 --> 0:39:26.239 the end of Act one. At the top of AC two, 0:39:26.480 --> 0:39:29.439 Rollins is busting into the precinct. She's like, I tracked 0:39:29.440 --> 0:39:31.480 down three of Hensley's other patients, so they all had 0:39:31.480 --> 0:39:34.640 glowing reviews. Kitty Bennett, on the other hand, has a 0:39:34.719 --> 0:39:39.320 record disorderly conduct, shoplifting a restraining order, and the restraining 0:39:39.400 --> 0:39:41.480 order was filed by a guy named Bo Albrecht. 0:39:41.840 --> 0:39:43.080 So they go talk to Bo. 0:39:43.280 --> 0:39:46.319 And he's telling Rollins and Creasy that Kitty is quote 0:39:46.360 --> 0:39:48.759 unquote looney Tunes. He said he met her one set 0:39:48.760 --> 0:39:50.680 of cooking class, complimented her sou. 0:39:50.600 --> 0:39:52.880 Fle and then she blew up his Facebook messenger. 0:39:53.719 --> 0:39:55.520 He says he was just trying to be nice, but 0:39:55.560 --> 0:39:57.280 then she found out he was a trainer. She started 0:39:57.280 --> 0:40:00.760 sending him daily videos of herself exercising and sexy jym outfits. 0:40:01.040 --> 0:40:03.160 He told her he had a girlfriend. She accused him 0:40:03.200 --> 0:40:05.280 of leading her on, so he blocked her. She started 0:40:05.320 --> 0:40:08.480 harassing the girlfriend, like showing up at her waitressing job. 0:40:08.680 --> 0:40:11.600 That's when he got the restraining order. So Live brings 0:40:11.680 --> 0:40:13.799 Kitty into her office to clear some shit up, and 0:40:13.840 --> 0:40:17.719 she's like, you've engaged in some stalking behaviors, ma'am, and 0:40:17.760 --> 0:40:20.440 she goes, well, BO said he was single and I 0:40:20.520 --> 0:40:23.680 apologized in court. Like It's like this is where I 0:40:23.680 --> 0:40:27.239 think Shori Applebee is good because at this point I'm like, oh, yeah, 0:40:27.280 --> 0:40:30.080 this woman is kind of like a little bit off 0:40:30.080 --> 0:40:32.960 her rocker like, and she's like, I just I thought 0:40:33.000 --> 0:40:35.279 he was single. And then Liv brings up Hannah and 0:40:35.360 --> 0:40:38.160 Kitty's like, okay, okay, yeah, sure I may have crossed 0:40:38.160 --> 0:40:40.320 the line with Hannah, but I was just desperate to 0:40:40.400 --> 0:40:42.839 talk to someone who knew doctor Hensley to understand why 0:40:42.880 --> 0:40:43.600 he targeted me. 0:40:44.200 --> 0:40:47.120 And Liv says, well, there's no record. 0:40:46.840 --> 0:40:50.240 Of the appointment, and to me, that doesn't make any difference, 0:40:50.280 --> 0:40:52.759 Like he could have bought a completely new appointment book 0:40:52.800 --> 0:40:55.440 after he rapes a patient, you know what I mean, 0:40:55.600 --> 0:40:58.239 Like in a pencil book if it was like a 0:40:58.280 --> 0:41:00.480 computer thing where you can like track things that have 0:41:00.520 --> 0:41:03.279 been deleted and this and that. Okay, a penciled in 0:41:03.960 --> 0:41:06.520 date book. I'm not buying it. So she's like, what 0:41:06.520 --> 0:41:09.359 are you saying? I made this up? And Lives like no, 0:41:09.960 --> 0:41:13.800 but yeah, and Kittie's like, look, I'm not some choir girl. 0:41:14.280 --> 0:41:15.080 I fucked up. 0:41:15.360 --> 0:41:17.160 But that's why he thought he could get away with this, 0:41:17.440 --> 0:41:20.880 and that is something we've seen that is like predators 0:41:20.960 --> 0:41:23.360 know who to choose right, Like we've seen that lives like, 0:41:23.520 --> 0:41:25.920 let's start over. I want to believe you. I need 0:41:25.960 --> 0:41:27.840 you to help me. Are there any details that you 0:41:27.840 --> 0:41:31.560 can remember, like smells, anything from you know, the attack, 0:41:31.960 --> 0:41:33.920 and she goes, I just remember lying on that red 0:41:34.000 --> 0:41:36.279 leather couch, staring up at the ceiling and praying for 0:41:36.320 --> 0:41:39.200 it to be over. So now Rollin's and Creasy are 0:41:39.239 --> 0:41:42.120 at this very beautiful a loft apartment of doctor Hensley 0:41:42.200 --> 0:41:45.280 and Lana, and He's like, my leather couch is burgundy, 0:41:45.400 --> 0:41:48.439 not red, and Careesy goes red Burgundy. We're not really 0:41:48.480 --> 0:41:51.440 sure w William's here. And I liked that. I enjoyed 0:41:51.480 --> 0:41:54.400 that a lot because this guy's like a fool like 0:41:54.920 --> 0:41:58.279 red Burgundy's in the Red Family Dog, So how would 0:41:58.320 --> 0:42:00.680 she know about the red leather couch at all if 0:42:00.719 --> 0:42:03.319 she was never in your office? And Lana pipes in 0:42:03.360 --> 0:42:05.239 and goes, well, it's on his website. There's a picture 0:42:05.280 --> 0:42:06.640 of him at his desk and you can see the 0:42:06.640 --> 0:42:10.239 couch in the background. And Chrisy asks, well, is there 0:42:10.320 --> 0:42:12.520 any chance that you had some kind of interaction with 0:42:12.560 --> 0:42:15.480 this woman that she construed as flirtatious? And He's like, 0:42:15.600 --> 0:42:18.120 I can't think of anything, and Lana's like, does this 0:42:18.160 --> 0:42:19.840 woman have a history of this kind of thing? And 0:42:19.880 --> 0:42:21.839 the cops obviously are like not going to share that, 0:42:21.880 --> 0:42:25.319 but they're like, did anything weird like come up on 0:42:25.360 --> 0:42:28.040 your phone or on social media that has been like 0:42:28.280 --> 0:42:31.239 strange lately? And the couple like share a look, and 0:42:31.280 --> 0:42:34.560 then Lanna's like, well, actually, last month, someone sexted Josh 0:42:34.560 --> 0:42:37.959 a bunch of nude pics and Hensley's like, I didn't 0:42:37.960 --> 0:42:40.200 think of it because it didn't seem connected. The photos 0:42:40.200 --> 0:42:42.600 were all different women, like pulled from a pornos site. 0:42:42.600 --> 0:42:43.520 I thought it was spam. 0:42:44.239 --> 0:42:47.520 And then Lana brings up a dating profile and at 0:42:47.520 --> 0:42:49.839 first it seems like Josh is like, don't like, you know, 0:42:49.920 --> 0:42:53.440 but then they don't really comment on that again. And 0:42:53.760 --> 0:42:58.480 someone emailed Lana a link to Josh's dating profile page 0:42:58.480 --> 0:43:01.279 and he's like, I've never online date and she's like, 0:43:01.400 --> 0:43:03.000 and I could tell after I looked at it for 0:43:03.000 --> 0:43:05.279 a while that the page was fake, Like all the 0:43:05.280 --> 0:43:07.760 pictures were from Google. Some of the info was wrong. 0:43:08.960 --> 0:43:10.480 But I mean, honestly, if you are going to cheat, 0:43:10.520 --> 0:43:12.360 you are going to put wrong info. But the pictures 0:43:12.360 --> 0:43:13.960 from Google is not a good. Is not a good, 0:43:14.719 --> 0:43:17.400 but she said. Lana says she replied to the email 0:43:17.400 --> 0:43:20.120 that sent her the link and it bounced back. Then 0:43:20.520 --> 0:43:22.840 they're like, oh, and also, we had a burglary at 0:43:22.880 --> 0:43:25.840 our apartment two months back. They reported it to the police, 0:43:25.880 --> 0:43:28.120 but nothing was stolen, so they figured it was just kids. 0:43:28.440 --> 0:43:30.799 All they did was poor tomato juice all over our 0:43:30.800 --> 0:43:37.120 wedding invitations. Okay, bloody Mary. So now Rollins and Benson 0:43:37.160 --> 0:43:39.919 are talking to Kitty and she's like, now they're saying 0:43:40.000 --> 0:43:43.239 I burgled them, and Rollins is like, the text the 0:43:43.239 --> 0:43:46.120 fake dating profile, they all track back to your old job, 0:43:46.400 --> 0:43:48.600 and Kitty's like, I was just trying to protect Lana, 0:43:48.960 --> 0:43:51.439 to tell her the truth about her fiance. I guess 0:43:51.480 --> 0:43:53.400 I get that with the fake dating profile, Why did 0:43:53.440 --> 0:43:55.440 you just send him a bunch of nudes of people 0:43:55.440 --> 0:43:58.080 from a pornos site. That's what I don't get. That 0:43:58.120 --> 0:43:59.160 doesn't I don't see. 0:43:58.920 --> 0:43:59.399 What that does. 0:43:59.760 --> 0:44:04.040 But you know, yeah, like she is nutty nutty, But 0:44:04.680 --> 0:44:07.160 the look of this man, I don't trust this man 0:44:07.640 --> 0:44:08.200 at all. 0:44:08.280 --> 0:44:10.799 The moment I saw him, I was like, not not 0:44:10.920 --> 0:44:11.279 my kind. 0:44:11.480 --> 0:44:13.680 I know. I feel actually like a loser because like 0:44:13.680 --> 0:44:15.840 I believe him for the first quarter of the episode, 0:44:15.840 --> 0:44:18.759 like I'm like, and then after I was like, oh wait, 0:44:18.960 --> 0:44:21.040 I know this up. Like I was like, yes, this 0:44:21.080 --> 0:44:24.359 guy's bad, but I cannot believe you were tricks by him. 0:44:24.600 --> 0:44:27.400 I was tricked a little bit because I don't understand 0:44:28.080 --> 0:44:31.880 the doubling down. We're going to get into it, obviously, 0:44:31.880 --> 0:44:33.879 but the doubling down of I don't have any idea 0:44:33.920 --> 0:44:36.520 who this person is. It's like there's evidence of everybody 0:44:36.520 --> 0:44:39.040 meeting each other, like anyone you've spent time with, there's 0:44:39.080 --> 0:44:42.000 evidence of that pretty much. You know, cameras, you don't 0:44:42.040 --> 0:44:44.080 know about d Like, it just seems like an idiot's 0:44:44.120 --> 0:44:46.480 thing to go. I never heard of that person, you know, 0:44:46.560 --> 0:44:48.360 and to be so adamant. Let's go to my office 0:44:48.400 --> 0:44:49.680 right now and check it out. I think that's like 0:44:49.719 --> 0:44:53.640 why I was believing it, but I'm dumb. I'm hating myself. 0:44:53.840 --> 0:44:56.680 But also I think she emailed those pictures because she wanted, 0:44:56.719 --> 0:44:58.680 like Lana to find them and be like, you're cheating. 0:44:58.719 --> 0:45:02.359 These are your girlfriends or something. But feels he could 0:45:02.400 --> 0:45:05.000 be like these are famous porn stars. Look at But 0:45:05.880 --> 0:45:09.399 so now Rollins is like, okay, so maybe you met 0:45:09.480 --> 0:45:11.799 him somewhere and you thought he was single and you 0:45:11.840 --> 0:45:15.600 felt disappointed, And She's like, no, I saw him for therapy, 0:45:16.080 --> 0:45:18.040 And I'm like, can't they just like dump her phone 0:45:18.080 --> 0:45:20.239 records to see if she called to make the appointment, 0:45:20.440 --> 0:45:23.520 or like triangulate GPS to see if she was at 0:45:23.560 --> 0:45:25.359 the office the day that she said, like she has 0:45:25.400 --> 0:45:26.440 a date and a location. 0:45:27.040 --> 0:45:27.480 I don't know. 0:45:27.840 --> 0:45:30.920 I famously listened to Cereal twice through, so I'm very 0:45:30.920 --> 0:45:34.680 interested in cell phone towers. Liv Is like, Babe, there 0:45:34.680 --> 0:45:37.200 are so many inconsistencies. We're just trying to figure out 0:45:37.239 --> 0:45:39.680 what happened. And then Kitty like runs to the bathroom 0:45:39.719 --> 0:45:43.400 and throws up, and then Benson clocks a pregnancy test 0:45:43.520 --> 0:45:46.440 in the trash. She asks, Kitty, are you pregnant? And 0:45:46.480 --> 0:45:49.279 she says, after the rape, I missed a period. I 0:45:49.320 --> 0:45:51.560 thought it was just stress, and then the nausea started, 0:45:51.600 --> 0:45:54.200 So I honestly just took a pregnancy test right before 0:45:54.239 --> 0:45:56.680 you guys got here. She's like, I'm pregnant and he 0:45:56.760 --> 0:45:59.399 did this to me, and it's like, okay, let's test 0:45:59.400 --> 0:46:00.000 this fetus. 0:46:00.000 --> 0:46:01.960 This is actually a great break in the case, you know. 0:46:02.600 --> 0:46:06.000 So at a medical facility getting blood drawn, Kitty's telling 0:46:06.000 --> 0:46:07.919 Live about how she always dreamed of being a mom. 0:46:07.960 --> 0:46:09.680 She had a baby doll with a bottle when she 0:46:09.760 --> 0:46:12.520 was little, and her imaginary husband was a prince named Sebastian. 0:46:13.040 --> 0:46:15.080 And then, very nonchalant, she just goes, I never thought 0:46:15.120 --> 0:46:16.880 my baby's father would be a man who raped me, 0:46:17.040 --> 0:46:20.520 Like she's just saying, it's so nonchalant, You're like, what's happening. 0:46:20.880 --> 0:46:23.520 Live's face gets weird as she tells the Emmy like 0:46:23.600 --> 0:46:25.960 put a rush on that blood work, and then she's like, 0:46:26.080 --> 0:46:27.920 a judge can't force me to keep the baby right 0:46:27.960 --> 0:46:30.560 and lives like no, and neither Conductor Hensley and Kitty 0:46:30.600 --> 0:46:32.680 goes good because I could never love a baby that 0:46:32.719 --> 0:46:35.960 was conceived by a monster, and Live follows her with 0:46:36.000 --> 0:46:38.040 a kind of look on her face, and Kitty's like, 0:46:38.719 --> 0:46:40.239 you don't think I should keep it, do you? And 0:46:40.280 --> 0:46:45.000 Lives like whatever you decide, and now Live I get it, 0:46:45.040 --> 0:46:47.720 like once per season they slap you in the face 0:46:47.800 --> 0:46:50.520 with somebody being like, how could I ever keep. 0:46:50.360 --> 0:46:51.560 The child of my rapist? 0:46:51.719 --> 0:46:53.600 And like we do know that Olivia is a child 0:46:53.640 --> 0:46:57.120 of rape, and like, I think we need to like 0:46:57.239 --> 0:46:59.400 let this lady do her thing. Like it is weird 0:46:59.440 --> 0:47:03.080 how much she is getting involved in making faces and stuff. 0:47:03.480 --> 0:47:07.000 Especially season twenty, Katy wants to know what Live would do, 0:47:07.480 --> 0:47:09.960 and Live as usual is struggling with being able to 0:47:10.040 --> 0:47:11.120 like say her truth. 0:47:11.200 --> 0:47:13.080 She's like, it's hard for me to be objective. You're 0:47:13.120 --> 0:47:14.200 really raw right now. 0:47:14.239 --> 0:47:17.640 With some distance, you'll realize that this baby is half yours. 0:47:18.080 --> 0:47:20.880 No matter what happened to you, he or she the baby, 0:47:20.920 --> 0:47:24.800 it's not their fault. And She's like, weird, it's weird. 0:47:25.000 --> 0:47:26.640 It's weird, and I'm going to talk about it more 0:47:26.719 --> 0:47:29.799 later for sure, and she's like, but if I wait, 0:47:29.840 --> 0:47:32.880 and it's too late, and Lives like, maybe talk to someone, 0:47:33.040 --> 0:47:37.960 and Kitty goes like another psychologist. Thanks, I'm good. Like literally, 0:47:38.040 --> 0:47:42.080 it's so weird, it's very it's just wild. After twenty seasons, 0:47:42.440 --> 0:47:44.720 like we know this character, Like we know what Olivia 0:47:44.719 --> 0:47:46.360 would do, and there's a lot of out of character 0:47:46.360 --> 0:47:48.319 shit in this episode for her, Like I don't think 0:47:48.360 --> 0:47:50.960 she would suggest to someone who is just raped by 0:47:51.000 --> 0:47:54.040 their therapist to go to a therapist right away, Like 0:47:54.120 --> 0:47:56.800 I think she would probably be like there's counselors women 0:47:56.920 --> 0:47:59.480 that you can speak to, you know, Like and anyway, 0:48:00.000 --> 0:48:01.680 He's like, as soon as these labs come back, I'm 0:48:01.680 --> 0:48:03.279 going right to the clinic and I'm getting rid of 0:48:03.280 --> 0:48:06.600 this thing. And I don't know why Olivia's having such 0:48:06.600 --> 0:48:08.680 a reaction. I literally wrote down, I go suddenly she's 0:48:08.719 --> 0:48:13.280 a crisis pregnancy center employee, like lying basically being like, actually, 0:48:13.280 --> 0:48:15.799 your baby's already fully talking in the womb, you know, 0:48:16.520 --> 0:48:21.120 so like we still aren't positive that she's not that 0:48:21.160 --> 0:48:23.640 she's telling the truth, Like we don't know yet. Liv 0:48:23.680 --> 0:48:26.080 looks upset, like she's going to be sick or something, 0:48:26.120 --> 0:48:28.239 and then she steps into the stairwell of the hospital 0:48:28.239 --> 0:48:30.359 and she's like breathing heavily and has to like calm 0:48:30.360 --> 0:48:33.600 herself down that's really wild to me. This woman has 0:48:33.600 --> 0:48:38.200 watched a lot of pregnant women terminate their rapist children 0:48:38.360 --> 0:48:40.960 on this show, and I think has advised for it, 0:48:41.000 --> 0:48:44.200 And now suddenly, in season twenty, it's coming over her 0:48:44.239 --> 0:48:46.680 with such a rush that she has to go be privately. 0:48:46.360 --> 0:48:48.160 Catching her breath. I don't get it. 0:48:48.640 --> 0:48:51.160 Back at the precinct, doctor Hensley's getting swabbed and saying 0:48:51.160 --> 0:48:53.719 this woman must have a personality disorder and she needs help. 0:48:54.160 --> 0:48:56.480 He's like, once these labs come back, I'm cleared, right, 0:48:56.640 --> 0:48:59.919 and Rollins is like, not necessarily, and Creasey's like once 0:49:00.080 --> 0:49:02.000 up at a time, but Hensley's like, well, one thing 0:49:02.040 --> 0:49:03.319 I know is that I'm going to sue the shit 0:49:03.360 --> 0:49:05.560 out of this woman, and like I'm taking her for 0:49:05.600 --> 0:49:07.759 every penny in her bank account. After this is all over, 0:49:08.360 --> 0:49:11.279 And the next scene, Liv is like looking forlornly through 0:49:11.280 --> 0:49:13.640 the blinds of her office, you know, once again, thinking 0:49:13.719 --> 0:49:17.839 about being the child of an assault, and Rollins comes 0:49:17.880 --> 0:49:19.960 in and is like you okay, babe, and Live goes 0:49:20.480 --> 0:49:22.600 sure in a way that basically means when am I 0:49:22.640 --> 0:49:26.319 ever okay? And Rollin says, Kitty is not your mom, 0:49:26.440 --> 0:49:28.880 and Live goes well, she might as well be. She 0:49:29.080 --> 0:49:32.000 actually recalls hearing her mom say on the phone when 0:49:32.040 --> 0:49:35.399 she was fifteen, the words quote, how could I love 0:49:35.480 --> 0:49:39.040 someone that was conceived by a monster? And yeah, Kitty 0:49:39.080 --> 0:49:41.160 said those words verbatim. So I bet that that is 0:49:41.320 --> 0:49:45.319 very triggering. But we've never heard that before. Like that, 0:49:45.440 --> 0:49:49.400 lives mom treated her like she was on the phone. 0:49:50.200 --> 0:49:52.319 Yeah she was on the phone. She was on the phone, but. 0:49:52.239 --> 0:49:54.600 I didn't say it to her, but I think she 0:49:55.040 --> 0:49:58.320 was a drunk, Like I think she probably did mean it. 0:49:58.320 --> 0:50:01.000 She wasn't drunk, But at this point, the girl's fifteen, 0:50:01.680 --> 0:50:03.279 Like I could see you saying that when they're like 0:50:03.320 --> 0:50:05.399 a baby and you're becoming a new mom and. 0:50:05.320 --> 0:50:06.279 You're like, how do I look? 0:50:06.360 --> 0:50:08.839 It's like she's fifteen, Like this is around the time 0:50:08.840 --> 0:50:11.919 where Livia Benson starts dating older college professors and shit, 0:50:11.960 --> 0:50:14.040 you're gonna have bigger fish to fry than whether you 0:50:14.120 --> 0:50:14.920 light love her or not. 0:50:15.000 --> 0:50:15.839 You gotta help her. 0:50:16.239 --> 0:50:18.560 So I don't know, I don't This is all like 0:50:18.719 --> 0:50:20.960 not jibing with me, just with like the past. Live 0:50:21.000 --> 0:50:23.680 has wet eyes, she's very emotional, so obviously this is 0:50:23.680 --> 0:50:26.840 the moment Careese bursts in and he's like, DNA results 0:50:26.840 --> 0:50:30.560 are in. It's a match, done, done, And then I wrote, 0:50:30.680 --> 0:50:32.840 is this guy a fucking psychopath? And like the answer 0:50:32.880 --> 0:50:35.920 is yes, Like that's what I like when you're watching 0:50:35.960 --> 0:50:38.319 this movie, this episode. I know that they're doing this 0:50:38.400 --> 0:50:41.279 on purpose, but like the doubling down, the I don't 0:50:41.280 --> 0:50:43.319 even know her, there is no record, there is no 0:50:43.360 --> 0:50:47.799 evidence take my DNA in this twenty previous seasons of 0:50:47.800 --> 0:50:50.520 this show, whenever somebody willingly offers DNA, they take that 0:50:50.600 --> 0:50:53.120 as like, this guy's probably not guilty because he's willingly 0:50:53.160 --> 0:50:53.880 offering DNA. 0:50:54.160 --> 0:50:58.360 Does this man think that he is outsmarting DNA? 0:50:58.480 --> 0:51:00.920 Or maybe he doesn't know there's a pregnance he must 0:51:00.920 --> 0:51:03.280 otherwise why is he giving his DNA? 0:51:03.440 --> 0:51:05.200 Right? So, I don't know. 0:51:05.560 --> 0:51:08.920 Liv goes pick him up, so Rollin's and caresy bang 0:51:08.960 --> 0:51:09.439 on his door. 0:51:09.520 --> 0:51:11.400 He opens it and he's like what now, And it's like, 0:51:11.440 --> 0:51:12.480 what do you mean? What now? You? 0:51:13.360 --> 0:51:16.520 You are acting like you've done nothing. You have literally 0:51:16.600 --> 0:51:20.520 been matched. They're like, bad news, Doc, the paternity test 0:51:20.640 --> 0:51:23.120 came back and you're it. Lana looks like she's been 0:51:23.160 --> 0:51:25.600 punched in the gut, like she doubles over, like she 0:51:25.840 --> 0:51:26.560 is upset. 0:51:26.920 --> 0:51:28.600 Henley's like, this is a mistake. 0:51:28.280 --> 0:51:30.920 And they're like, DNA doesn't liebro and he's like, Lana, listen, 0:51:30.960 --> 0:51:32.000 I did not rape that woman. 0:51:32.200 --> 0:51:34.120 She says, shut up, shut up for once in your life. 0:51:34.200 --> 0:51:34.600 Shut up. 0:51:34.640 --> 0:51:37.480 You're like, okay, trouble in paradise. I thought, you know, 0:51:37.520 --> 0:51:40.080 these two were a solid front. But she's like, shut 0:51:40.120 --> 0:51:43.160 the fuck up, you idiot, and Carisee's like, I'm gonna 0:51:43.280 --> 0:51:45.000 go with your wife on this one. Why don't you 0:51:45.000 --> 0:51:47.880 shut your damn pie hole. He tells Lana he loves her, 0:51:47.960 --> 0:51:50.200 don't give up on me. As Cariese's like hauling his 0:51:50.239 --> 0:51:54.200 ass off down the hauling cuffs. In interrogation, Hensley is 0:51:54.280 --> 0:51:58.360 still sitting there going I didn't rape Kitty, and Benson's like, okay, 0:51:58.480 --> 0:52:01.960 so are you? Like is she the virgin Mary? Like, 0:52:02.000 --> 0:52:04.120 how the hell did she get pregnant with your child? 0:52:04.200 --> 0:52:06.960 And he says I lied about one thing and Benson goes, oh, 0:52:07.000 --> 0:52:10.320 only one, and he goes, okay, more than one. Kitty 0:52:10.360 --> 0:52:13.640 and I had consensual sex, he says, three times before 0:52:13.680 --> 0:52:17.560 I ended it. I couldn't admit it before, and Benson goes, yeah, conveniently, 0:52:17.640 --> 0:52:20.120 now that the DNA's come back, You've admitted it. And 0:52:20.160 --> 0:52:22.239 he's like, well, she accused me of rape in front 0:52:22.280 --> 0:52:25.719 of my entire family, and Benson's like, yeah, it would 0:52:25.719 --> 0:52:27.680 have been like a lot easier for you to just 0:52:27.680 --> 0:52:29.439 be like, oh my god, sorry, I had a wild 0:52:29.480 --> 0:52:32.319 affair with this woman for three days, like three months ago, 0:52:32.400 --> 0:52:35.480 and it's over and I didn't you know whatever. But 0:52:35.560 --> 0:52:38.960 Benson's like, you think you're really convincing, and you're convincing 0:52:38.960 --> 0:52:41.160 everyone around you, and I don't believe a word that 0:52:41.200 --> 0:52:43.560 comes out of your mouth. And He's like, hear me out, 0:52:43.600 --> 0:52:45.680 and Benson's like, all right, for shits, let's hear it. 0:52:46.160 --> 0:52:48.600 He goes Kitty was never my patient. We met at 0:52:48.640 --> 0:52:50.920 a bar around the corner, the empty room. It's a 0:52:50.960 --> 0:52:53.880 block from Kitty's apartment. Corisie and Rollins are watching on 0:52:53.920 --> 0:52:55.600 the other side of the mirror, and Rollins is like, 0:52:55.680 --> 0:52:57.759 so much for not cheating on your wife, you know, 0:52:57.960 --> 0:53:01.080 or your fiance. He goes on that Kitty was sitting 0:53:01.120 --> 0:53:03.399 at the bar alone. He bought her a drink, talked 0:53:03.400 --> 0:53:05.640 to her for ten minutes and realized how easy this. 0:53:05.719 --> 0:53:06.200 Was going to be. 0:53:07.120 --> 0:53:10.640 And then they're like, why did so you already like 0:53:10.680 --> 0:53:12.279 hate him now because it's like, why would that even 0:53:12.320 --> 0:53:14.439 be a thing that you're like talking about the game 0:53:14.480 --> 0:53:16.440 of it all, Like you just realized within ten minutes 0:53:16.440 --> 0:53:18.880 that you could fuck this woman, like you're gross. So 0:53:18.960 --> 0:53:21.160 why does she claim she was your patient? They're like, 0:53:21.239 --> 0:53:25.000 and he says, because she's vindictive, and he's like, you 0:53:25.040 --> 0:53:26.800 don't believe me, and Live goes, well, lie to me 0:53:26.880 --> 0:53:29.400 once you know, she's like, fool me once. Shame on, 0:53:29.640 --> 0:53:33.560 shame on me, right, noot, shame on you. Sorry, I'm 0:53:33.560 --> 0:53:37.279 George W. Bush right now, he says, Okay, the second 0:53:37.320 --> 0:53:39.520 time we slept together, she gave me a key to 0:53:39.560 --> 0:53:41.839 her apartment four B and he throws the key down 0:53:41.840 --> 0:53:43.680 on the table. He's got it in his pocket because 0:53:43.719 --> 0:53:45.960 he has it on him at all times, and he 0:53:46.040 --> 0:53:48.040 had it when he was arrested surprise in the middle 0:53:48.040 --> 0:53:51.360 of the night. So at Katy's apartment building, Rollins is 0:53:51.360 --> 0:53:55.120 winded from taking the stairs the elevators out. Cariese's asking 0:53:55.520 --> 0:53:57.480 is live okay with all this? And Rolind's like it's 0:53:57.520 --> 0:53:59.680 been tough, but she's hanging in there. They knock on 0:53:59.719 --> 0:54:01.799 the door, no one answers. They try the key. It 0:54:01.840 --> 0:54:05.040 doesn't work. Rollins is like, why play with us on 0:54:05.080 --> 0:54:07.719 this whole key thing? Like, and then Careese clocks the 0:54:07.760 --> 0:54:10.440 security camera that's up in the hallway and goes roll 0:54:10.480 --> 0:54:14.520 footage to quote Lisa. Is it Lisa that says that 0:54:14.600 --> 0:54:16.240 roll footage from? 0:54:16.320 --> 0:54:18.520 So it's like, why am I blanking on her last name? 0:54:18.640 --> 0:54:22.160 Barlow? Lisa Barlow? She's always like and nah, roll footage. 0:54:22.840 --> 0:54:25.920 So next scene, Benson, Rollins, and Creasy are gathered around 0:54:25.960 --> 0:54:28.239 for a little show of the footage, and on it 0:54:28.280 --> 0:54:32.120 you can see Hensley arriving, knocking at the door, Katie 0:54:32.200 --> 0:54:35.279 opening the door in a sexy dress, and then kissing him, 0:54:35.360 --> 0:54:38.640 like them embracing and making out so pretty wild. 0:54:38.680 --> 0:54:39.560 The security camera got that. 0:54:39.600 --> 0:54:41.480 I feel like, normally you'd let someone in, shut the door, 0:54:41.520 --> 0:54:43.759 then kiss, but you know, they couldn't keep their hands 0:54:43.760 --> 0:54:47.480 off each other and lives like they're both liars. Done done, Okay, 0:54:48.080 --> 0:54:50.400 So now they show this. They're showing this footage to 0:54:50.480 --> 0:54:52.520 Kitty and she's like, I know how this looks, and 0:54:52.560 --> 0:54:54.960 she's like, okay, so I did sleep with him a 0:54:54.960 --> 0:54:57.000 few times, but it was after he raped me in 0:54:57.040 --> 0:54:57.600 his office. 0:54:57.640 --> 0:54:58.880 I'm not lying about that. 0:54:59.400 --> 0:55:01.440 And they're like Josh says, you guys met at a 0:55:01.480 --> 0:55:04.480 bar and the bartender confirmed seeing you together. She goes, yeah, 0:55:04.480 --> 0:55:06.920 but that was a few days after my appointment. And 0:55:06.920 --> 0:55:09.319 they're like an appointment that nobody can confirm. And then 0:55:09.320 --> 0:55:11.680 they're like, did you give him your kety apartment? She goes, yeah, 0:55:11.680 --> 0:55:14.200 but I changed the locks after he dumped me, and 0:55:14.320 --> 0:55:16.399 Rollins says, like, is that what this is about right now? 0:55:16.480 --> 0:55:18.239 You were hurt, slept with him and found out he 0:55:18.280 --> 0:55:21.640 was engaged. She goes, no, that's not what happened. She says, 0:55:21.680 --> 0:55:24.280 after he raped me, I went to confront him outside 0:55:24.280 --> 0:55:26.440 his office. She said she was going to the cops, 0:55:26.480 --> 0:55:28.800 and then he talked her out of it. He insisted 0:55:28.840 --> 0:55:30.719 they go to a bar so he could explain himself. 0:55:31.040 --> 0:55:33.720 He said she wanted to be overpowered. There's a condition 0:55:33.840 --> 0:55:36.920 for it. It's called erotic rape fantasy disorder. How she 0:55:37.000 --> 0:55:38.960 played with her hair, how she'd cross her legs so 0:55:39.000 --> 0:55:41.640 he could see up her skirt, that she was seducing him. 0:55:41.760 --> 0:55:45.000 All of these were factors that he diagnosed in her. 0:55:45.640 --> 0:55:47.360 And then you took him home. 0:55:47.840 --> 0:55:50.319 They asked her and she's like, he said, I had 0:55:50.360 --> 0:55:53.000 intimacy issues. That the grief for my mom was masking 0:55:53.000 --> 0:55:54.920 my real problems and that he was going to help me. 0:55:54.880 --> 0:55:55.359 Work it out. 0:55:55.800 --> 0:55:57.920 She says she's sorry, she knows she screwed it up, 0:55:57.960 --> 0:55:59.439 and she's like, is he in jail now? 0:55:59.800 --> 0:56:01.440 And they're like, well, he was a rain, but he 0:56:01.480 --> 0:56:01.879 made bail. 0:56:01.960 --> 0:56:03.480 So if he gets in touch with you, you've got to 0:56:03.480 --> 0:56:06.480 tell us and lives like, we're going to continue investigating, 0:56:06.640 --> 0:56:09.040 and they're like, there's nothing else you're hiding and she's like, no, 0:56:09.160 --> 0:56:10.880 nothing else, and I'm sorry I didn't tell you the 0:56:10.880 --> 0:56:14.120 whole truth. And of course, as they're walking out, Lana's 0:56:14.120 --> 0:56:18.000 at the front desk, the wife the fiance. Kitty goes 0:56:18.040 --> 0:56:20.680 off immediately like what are you doing here? I'm the victor, 0:56:20.760 --> 0:56:21.560 you're not the victim. 0:56:21.680 --> 0:56:22.080 I am. 0:56:22.480 --> 0:56:25.239 I have your disgusting fiance's baby and my belly. Like 0:56:25.280 --> 0:56:27.560 she's like really going off on this woman, and Lana's like, 0:56:27.680 --> 0:56:31.600 please leave me alone. Robins tells Kitty to chill. Lana's like, 0:56:31.640 --> 0:56:33.319 why does she hate me so much when she's the 0:56:33.320 --> 0:56:36.400 one that destroyed my life? And then Benson takes Lana 0:56:36.400 --> 0:56:39.320 in her office and she's like, well, that could be 0:56:39.400 --> 0:56:40.120 Josh's fault. 0:56:40.239 --> 0:56:40.480 You know. 0:56:41.080 --> 0:56:43.120 Lana's like, last weekend, I was walking down the aisle 0:56:43.160 --> 0:56:45.560 and this nightmare just keeps getting worse. Or it's the 0:56:45.840 --> 0:56:48.319 I'm like, or it's the greatest bullet dodge of all time, bitch, 0:56:48.360 --> 0:56:51.880 like you should run. She tells Benson that Josh finally 0:56:51.960 --> 0:56:56.040 admitted the affair, and Live asks how did you guys 0:56:56.080 --> 0:56:58.640 first meet? And Lana goes, oh, Josh was my therapist 0:56:58.719 --> 0:57:01.720 and it's like, uh, like the groan that I groaned, 0:57:01.840 --> 0:57:04.880 Like she said, well no, but we didn't start seeing 0:57:04.880 --> 0:57:08.560 each other until he stopped being my therapists. Like, I'm 0:57:08.600 --> 0:57:11.400 a real estate broker and he reached out so I 0:57:11.440 --> 0:57:15.359 could help him find a loft in Manhattan, and I 0:57:15.400 --> 0:57:17.640 was going out with another guy and he convinced me 0:57:17.680 --> 0:57:18.120 to break it. 0:57:18.120 --> 0:57:20.960 Off, and Lives like did you want that? 0:57:21.280 --> 0:57:23.960 And then Lana like dodges the question, and she's like, 0:57:24.200 --> 0:57:26.080 Josh was always a really great boyfriend. He taught me 0:57:26.080 --> 0:57:30.160 about classical music, Russian novels, took me to galleries and museums, 0:57:30.160 --> 0:57:32.120 and lives like, is that shit you like to do? 0:57:32.640 --> 0:57:35.320 And Lona's like, Josh makes all the decisions, like she's 0:57:35.360 --> 0:57:38.280 like a robot, and Benson's like, what do you mean, 0:57:38.320 --> 0:57:40.960 and She's like, like in the bedroom, he likes to 0:57:40.960 --> 0:57:44.880 be dominant, and then liv goes, is that what you like? 0:57:45.000 --> 0:57:48.120 And Lana goes sure, but like in the same way 0:57:48.120 --> 0:57:51.960 that Live said sure earlier, like not really. So at 0:57:52.000 --> 0:57:54.520 the coffee machine, Rollins asked to Live like, oh, how 0:57:54.560 --> 0:57:56.760 to go with Lana and Lives like, oh, she's a 0:57:56.800 --> 0:57:59.160 hot mess and Hensley's doing a number on her. She 0:57:59.160 --> 0:58:02.080 tells Rowlinds the whole story. She's like, get this' he 0:58:02.160 --> 0:58:04.920 was her therapist. They discuss how this guy knows exactly 0:58:04.960 --> 0:58:06.640 how to manipulate Lana. 0:58:06.840 --> 0:58:09.120 His power over her is almost pathological. 0:58:09.600 --> 0:58:13.320 Benson thinks Kitty was telling the truth and Rollins is like, yeah, 0:58:13.360 --> 0:58:16.400 we've seen victims before go back and sleep with their rapists. 0:58:16.840 --> 0:58:19.200 And this is literally the plot of the movie l 0:58:19.400 --> 0:58:22.080 with Isabelle Upeer that I mentioned when we covered Shattered 0:58:22.120 --> 0:58:25.600 a couple weeks ago, so not to give it away, 0:58:25.720 --> 0:58:28.760 I went to the Wikipedia of it, but like, essentially 0:58:28.800 --> 0:58:30.520 the plot of the movie is this woman is raped 0:58:30.560 --> 0:58:33.040 and then she begins to sort of like play a 0:58:33.080 --> 0:58:35.840 cat and mouse like courtship game with her rapists, where 0:58:36.040 --> 0:58:38.760 she continues to have sexual contact with him. 0:58:39.240 --> 0:58:41.880 So obviously that's deeply. 0:58:41.560 --> 0:58:43.720 Psychological and I'm not going to comment on why anyone 0:58:43.760 --> 0:58:47.360 would do that. But we've seen people on this podcast. 0:58:47.360 --> 0:58:49.960 We've talked about people that message their rapists afterwards flirt 0:58:50.000 --> 0:58:52.600 with them. You know, there's all kinds of reasons people 0:58:52.640 --> 0:58:55.400 do things like this. CARIESI interrupts and is like, guys, 0:58:55.400 --> 0:58:57.240 the police are responding to a nine one one call 0:58:57.280 --> 0:58:58.120 at Hensley's place. 0:58:58.240 --> 0:58:59.160 Uh oh. 0:58:59.280 --> 0:59:01.640 When they get to the scene, they hear it's a 0:59:01.640 --> 0:59:04.520 female intruder. It's Kitty Bennett. They're like, we waited for 0:59:04.560 --> 0:59:05.280 you because we know you. 0:59:05.280 --> 0:59:05.880 Guys know her. 0:59:05.920 --> 0:59:08.160 So when they walk into the apartment, Kitty has a 0:59:08.200 --> 0:59:11.600 broken bottle to Hensley's neck. Lana is in the kitchen 0:59:11.720 --> 0:59:14.200 and they're like. She's saying she's gonna kill him if 0:59:14.240 --> 0:59:16.640 he doesn't admit to raping her, and Kitty is on edge. 0:59:16.640 --> 0:59:18.680 She's like, come any closer and I'll do it, and 0:59:18.760 --> 0:59:20.520 Rollins is like, then I'll have to shoot you. Like 0:59:20.640 --> 0:59:23.120 Rollins has her gun out and Benson is like, okay, 0:59:23.200 --> 0:59:26.520 let's just talk. Kitty's like about what this thing that's 0:59:26.520 --> 0:59:28.800 growing inside of me? Like she is not happy to 0:59:28.840 --> 0:59:32.400 be pregnant with this man's baby. She presses the bottle 0:59:32.400 --> 0:59:34.800 to Hensley's neck and is like, tell them about the 0:59:34.920 --> 0:59:37.160 rape fantasy, about how I wanted it because I didn't 0:59:37.160 --> 0:59:40.680 bite back, and they pan to Lana and she looks terrified, 0:59:40.680 --> 0:59:43.120 but there's also like a quick flash of recognition on 0:59:43.200 --> 0:59:46.360 her face and the sectress does do a good job 0:59:46.360 --> 0:59:48.600 with that, I would say, And then Kitty goes, maybe 0:59:48.640 --> 0:59:50.800 I should kill you just so you don't hurt anybody else, 0:59:51.080 --> 0:59:53.320 and Benson is like still trying to diffuse, and then 0:59:53.360 --> 0:59:56.640 Lanna goes, go ahead and kill him, and Lana goes, 0:59:56.680 --> 0:59:57.720 I know you're telling the truth. 0:59:57.760 --> 0:59:59.600 I know he raped you, And Kitty's not buying it. 0:59:59.640 --> 1:00:00.520 She goes, oh, dare you? 1:00:00.560 --> 1:00:02.160 Like I think she thinks Lana's making fun of her 1:00:02.280 --> 1:00:04.160 or like fucking with her to try to get her 1:00:04.200 --> 1:00:07.800 to do what she wants, and Lana says, no, he 1:00:07.880 --> 1:00:11.400 said those exact same things to me, remember Josh, the 1:00:11.440 --> 1:00:14.400 first time we had sex after he raped me, and 1:00:14.480 --> 1:00:15.960 Lana breaks down sobbing. 1:00:16.640 --> 1:00:17.680 Kitty looks shocked. 1:00:17.840 --> 1:00:21.600 Benson gets her to drop the bottle and she basically 1:00:21.640 --> 1:00:26.440 like falls into Benson's arms and like is finally being 1:00:26.480 --> 1:00:30.360 believed after being fucking gas lit all the way all 1:00:30.360 --> 1:00:35.120 over Manhattan and back like this episode is gaslighting in 1:00:35.160 --> 1:00:37.680 a nutshell. Lana's telling her story about how her and 1:00:37.760 --> 1:00:40.000 Josh went out looking for lofts like they were having 1:00:40.040 --> 1:00:43.200 drinks afterwards. He really helped her build her confidence because 1:00:43.200 --> 1:00:46.080 she was new to real estate. He was charming, supportive 1:00:46.120 --> 1:00:48.360 of her career. Then they went to go look at 1:00:48.360 --> 1:00:51.720 some listings once aloft in Chelsea, the one they live 1:00:51.760 --> 1:00:54.600 in now. They were checking out the bedroom. He grabbed 1:00:54.600 --> 1:00:57.200 her started kissing her. She was flattered. She kissed back, 1:00:57.480 --> 1:01:00.440 but then he pushed her hard onto the bed, climbed 1:01:00.480 --> 1:01:02.640 on top of her. She told him to stop, over 1:01:02.680 --> 1:01:05.280 and over, and it just made him more aggressive. He 1:01:05.400 --> 1:01:08.280 assaulted her and then she drove him home like she 1:01:08.360 --> 1:01:10.160 was like blaming herself, like I'm an idiot. Then I 1:01:10.240 --> 1:01:12.920 drove him home. She's so confused about what had happened. 1:01:13.160 --> 1:01:14.960 He called her the next day and asked her to 1:01:14.960 --> 1:01:16.560 put in an offer on the loft, and when the 1:01:16.600 --> 1:01:18.760 seller accepted, he shows up to her place. 1:01:18.560 --> 1:01:20.080 With flowers and champagne. 1:01:20.320 --> 1:01:23.640 Truly psychopathic behavior like to then date her and live 1:01:23.680 --> 1:01:26.680 with her in the apartment where that crime was where 1:01:26.720 --> 1:01:29.440 he committed. That crime is like off the charts insane. 1:01:29.880 --> 1:01:31.800 He tells her the flowers in the champagne are an 1:01:31.800 --> 1:01:34.240 apology for being so rough, and when she tried to 1:01:34.280 --> 1:01:36.280 talk about it, he's like, it's okay that you used 1:01:36.280 --> 1:01:39.320 your sexuality to seal the deal with us, you know, 1:01:39.440 --> 1:01:41.680 And I fucking hate this freak so hard now, like 1:01:41.760 --> 1:01:45.480 I cannot Like it's you go to school for so 1:01:45.600 --> 1:01:48.080 many years to be a psychotherapist, to be a therapist, 1:01:48.120 --> 1:01:49.760 to be a counselor of any kind, and it's like 1:01:49.840 --> 1:01:51.480 your goal should be you want to help people, and 1:01:51.520 --> 1:01:53.960 this guy's goal is like I want to fucking overpower 1:01:53.960 --> 1:01:55.800 people and manipulate them and get what I want, Like 1:01:55.840 --> 1:01:57.120 what a cycle you should have worked. 1:01:56.960 --> 1:01:57.560 On Wall Street? 1:01:57.960 --> 1:02:01.680 Anyway, Rollins goes he he's sick, and then asks Lana, 1:02:01.760 --> 1:02:03.520 are you willing to testify against him? 1:02:03.600 --> 1:02:05.000 And she's like I. 1:02:04.960 --> 1:02:07.720 Didn't really want to admit what he really was until 1:02:07.760 --> 1:02:09.800 I heard Kitty say those same things that he said 1:02:09.800 --> 1:02:12.160 to me, and then she goes, yes, I'll testify. So 1:02:12.240 --> 1:02:15.520 Benson's like pick him up again. So now a brassy 1:02:15.640 --> 1:02:17.920 lady lawyer who I don't think we see again so 1:02:17.960 --> 1:02:19.440 I'm not really going to get into who she is. 1:02:19.840 --> 1:02:23.200 Walks into interrogation where this psychoedoc is sitting and Benson 1:02:23.240 --> 1:02:25.840 tells her it's a new case, rape one and the 1:02:25.920 --> 1:02:28.160 lawyer's like, oh, you sank your claws into another victim, 1:02:28.200 --> 1:02:30.080 and Benson's like, your client's the one with the clause. 1:02:30.320 --> 1:02:32.480 A grieving woman came to you for help and in 1:02:32.520 --> 1:02:35.080 the space of an hour you ruined her life. And 1:02:35.120 --> 1:02:36.840 they're like, okay, well, what's the new case. Like, no 1:02:36.840 --> 1:02:39.280 one even like fights that one. They're like fair enough, 1:02:39.880 --> 1:02:41.680 and they're like, well, what about this new case, and 1:02:41.960 --> 1:02:44.280 she drops a bomb. She goes The complaining witness is 1:02:44.360 --> 1:02:47.800 Lana Stalworth, and the lawyer goes very funny and he's like, 1:02:47.960 --> 1:02:49.920 Lanna would never turn on me. And we've seen these 1:02:49.920 --> 1:02:52.200 guys on these episodes that they're like, I know I 1:02:52.280 --> 1:02:55.640 control her. She'll never say anything, like Andrew McCarthy in 1:02:55.920 --> 1:02:59.440 Slaves when he's like, she won't say anything. She's under 1:02:59.480 --> 1:03:02.200 the bed and she knows to listen to me anyway 1:03:03.000 --> 1:03:05.280 and lives like oh dog. She's in front of the 1:03:05.320 --> 1:03:08.360 grand jury as we speak. And then psycho boy is like, 1:03:08.480 --> 1:03:11.240 I gave both those women exactly what they wanted. And 1:03:11.280 --> 1:03:13.640 she's like, no, you con them into believing that's what 1:03:13.680 --> 1:03:16.160 they wanted. And like any good con man, you've convinced 1:03:16.200 --> 1:03:19.640 yourself that your victims got what they deserved. You are done, doctor, 1:03:19.880 --> 1:03:22.960 You're done, And I love that. It's a fun Livia moment. 1:03:23.320 --> 1:03:25.800 The guy grunts, but he looks like he got got 1:03:25.840 --> 1:03:28.400 and he knows it. So now Live and Kitty are 1:03:28.560 --> 1:03:32.000 walking along the rut water. He's obviously got jail time. 1:03:32.280 --> 1:03:35.920 She's been seeing a therapist that Live recommended that, and 1:03:35.960 --> 1:03:38.720 that female therapist is already really helping her. 1:03:39.280 --> 1:03:41.520 She hasn't decided what to do about the baby. 1:03:41.880 --> 1:03:44.320 I thought for sure I was going to get an abortion, 1:03:44.480 --> 1:03:47.280 and lives like and now, and she said, I felt 1:03:47.280 --> 1:03:50.200 the baby kick this morning, and it reminded me of 1:03:50.200 --> 1:03:51.920 what you said. What happened to me is not this 1:03:52.000 --> 1:03:55.680 baby's fault. And I wrote, OMG, what you literally heard 1:03:56.040 --> 1:03:58.320 your mother say that at fifteen? Like, I know you 1:03:58.400 --> 1:04:00.560 turned out to be like a great person, but like 1:04:01.280 --> 1:04:03.920 that's been you like your whole life. Why are you 1:04:04.000 --> 1:04:07.080 fighting for this very fragile woman to keep her rapist baby? 1:04:07.160 --> 1:04:10.000 Like I don't get it, Like lives like it's still 1:04:10.000 --> 1:04:12.120 gonna be hard. I've known people in your position. They 1:04:12.240 --> 1:04:14.640 raise the child. Some days they don't even think about it, 1:04:14.680 --> 1:04:16.960 and other days, you know, even though your baby was 1:04:17.000 --> 1:04:19.400 conceived in an act of violence, your baby is innocent 1:04:19.440 --> 1:04:22.960 and deserves to be unconditionally, unconditionally loved. If you decide 1:04:22.960 --> 1:04:24.960 to become a mother, promised me that you'll remember that, 1:04:25.520 --> 1:04:27.680 and she says she will, and Live says, take care, and. 1:04:27.720 --> 1:04:30.880 Katy will I don't think that this character should have. 1:04:30.840 --> 1:04:34.760 A kid, right, this guy's kid. How do you know 1:04:34.760 --> 1:04:38.080 that this sociopathy is not like genetic in his case? 1:04:38.160 --> 1:04:40.919 You know, Live goes, but I love they do this thing. 1:04:40.960 --> 1:04:43.200 Live goes, okay, take care. They're on the side of 1:04:43.200 --> 1:04:45.920 the water and Kitty just walks off to nowhere, and 1:04:45.960 --> 1:04:47.760 I guess Live's going to go back the other direction, 1:04:47.840 --> 1:04:50.479 but Live doesn't go anywhere, so she just stands there 1:04:50.880 --> 1:04:53.480 staring out by, like you know, after Kitty as she 1:04:53.520 --> 1:04:56.360 walks away, and that's dick wolf baby, And then I wrote, 1:04:56.920 --> 1:04:59.200 I'm sorry, but this is coming off very right wing 1:04:59.280 --> 1:05:02.720 talking point. The whole babies are innocent, Like also, the 1:05:02.760 --> 1:05:03.880 baby's not a baby yet. 1:05:03.920 --> 1:05:05.760 I mean the fact that she felt a kick. 1:05:06.280 --> 1:05:08.920 I'm like, she should have had this done way earlier, 1:05:09.280 --> 1:05:12.680 like in my opinion, but also it's very out of 1:05:12.840 --> 1:05:15.040 character for Olivia and it does not make sense that 1:05:15.080 --> 1:05:18.400 she would push this woman to the edge, more so 1:05:18.680 --> 1:05:20.920 than many other victims she's dealt with in this situation. 1:05:21.480 --> 1:05:23.640 And I went on Reddit and a lot of people 1:05:24.200 --> 1:05:26.040 there agree with me. A lot of people were like, 1:05:26.080 --> 1:05:28.560 this is so out of character. We know her, this 1:05:28.600 --> 1:05:30.840 is not what Olivia would do, and I was like, 1:05:31.040 --> 1:05:33.680 it's weird. Lucy Lou directed the episode because I feel 1:05:33.680 --> 1:05:35.600 like she would have had something to do with the writing, 1:05:35.680 --> 1:05:38.040 and I was wondering if the writing was like one 1:05:38.040 --> 1:05:40.760 of the sort of like men I've heard about on 1:05:40.800 --> 1:05:43.200 the show that are not, you know, always the best, 1:05:43.320 --> 1:05:44.680 and it wasn't. 1:05:45.400 --> 1:05:46.880 So it's such a weird move. 1:05:47.080 --> 1:05:49.120 It's a really fucking weird move for her to go 1:05:49.160 --> 1:05:52.480 all pregnancy crisis and then like then it's like in 1:05:52.560 --> 1:05:55.280 two seasons or whatever, she's taking that girl from Ohio 1:05:55.440 --> 1:05:57.280 like fighting for her right to get an abortion and 1:05:57.280 --> 1:06:01.040 she's thirteen, Like, I don't think this woman and she's 1:06:01.440 --> 1:06:02.560 lost her job, She's. 1:06:02.440 --> 1:06:04.040 Got a long road of therapy ahead. 1:06:04.080 --> 1:06:06.960 We think, adding the stress of raising this baby is 1:06:07.200 --> 1:06:08.000 helpful for her. 1:06:08.240 --> 1:06:11.160 I just don't get it. Yeah, I agree. 1:06:11.160 --> 1:06:15.800 I second everything that you just yeah, yeah, anyway, Yeah, 1:06:15.800 --> 1:06:19.800 And it's not the cooler move like you know girls 1:06:19.880 --> 1:06:22.240 did that where she keeps this baby out of spite 1:06:22.320 --> 1:06:25.800 and it's like you're not doing anything cool, You're doing 1:06:25.880 --> 1:06:28.400 what everyone does, keeping it Like I don't know. 1:06:29.480 --> 1:06:32.840 Yeah, and it's not like this is this woman's last 1:06:32.880 --> 1:06:35.760 chance to have a child, and like, I don't know, 1:06:35.960 --> 1:06:38.480 it just seems like so fucking weird. I normally I 1:06:38.520 --> 1:06:40.800 feel like live is just like you'll know what you 1:06:40.800 --> 1:06:42.600 need to do when the time is right, moving on, 1:06:42.880 --> 1:06:46.400 you know, Like this is so much pregnancy crisis center 1:06:47.160 --> 1:06:51.200 like rhetoric to me. But anyway, I'm excited to hear 1:06:51.240 --> 1:06:52.440 you talk about some crimes. 1:06:52.480 --> 1:07:03.240 Maybe I'm not. I don't know, maybe I'm not. Okay, 1:07:03.440 --> 1:07:06.240 So there's a few cases. I don't know. 1:07:06.280 --> 1:07:10.360 I feel like I keep getting these multi case episodes. 1:07:10.880 --> 1:07:11.240 Yes. 1:07:11.840 --> 1:07:16.080 So the first case is the Lamar Edgerson case. This 1:07:16.240 --> 1:07:20.840 went down in Albuquerque, New Mexico, and he was a 1:07:21.120 --> 1:07:27.360 nationally recognized therapist who used hypnosis to sexually assault patients 1:07:27.400 --> 1:07:32.680 over a course of several years. So yeah. He was 1:07:32.720 --> 1:07:36.520 finally charged in twenty eighteen after certain patients came forward. 1:07:37.080 --> 1:07:40.440 On April twenty seventeen, a woman reported that Edgerson sexually 1:07:40.480 --> 1:07:44.360 assaulted her at his business called Family Harmony. She woke 1:07:44.440 --> 1:07:47.360 up during hypnosis and caught him performing oral sex on 1:07:47.440 --> 1:07:49.920 her and then claiming it was part of the treatment. 1:07:50.880 --> 1:07:53.160 He also picked her up from a bar once and 1:07:53.960 --> 1:07:57.120 took her to his house and raped her, and then 1:07:57.160 --> 1:08:01.360 he emailed her a bunch to say sorry, but also 1:08:01.440 --> 1:08:06.040 wanted to like sexy email time and just the mess. 1:08:06.120 --> 1:08:09.080 And Ederson pled guilty to three counts of rape and 1:08:09.160 --> 1:08:12.520 no contest to one other rape on Wednesday, July twenty ninth, 1:08:12.600 --> 1:08:15.720 twenty twenty, and he was sentenced to twelve years in prison, 1:08:15.880 --> 1:08:17.760 where he still is right now. 1:08:18.840 --> 1:08:21.840 Wow, well, I'm glad he got jail. I mean, it 1:08:21.880 --> 1:08:24.439 doesn't seem like enough. This seems like you are a 1:08:24.520 --> 1:08:27.479 danger to society. I don't think you should be out there. 1:08:27.960 --> 1:08:31.360 I'm sure hypno's a license, I'm sure hees no, but 1:08:31.439 --> 1:08:34.280 I mean even just your no no of course, but 1:08:34.360 --> 1:08:37.280 like even just your general demeanor that that's what you 1:08:37.320 --> 1:08:44.599 think is like normal. But also I feel like, yeah, 1:08:44.640 --> 1:08:47.720 there needs to be like clearer boundaries. I feel like 1:08:47.800 --> 1:08:50.840 with what therapists, how much a therapist is like allowed 1:08:50.840 --> 1:08:52.880 to be in your life. Like I've had friends who 1:08:52.880 --> 1:08:54.840 have been like, oh yeah, I text my therapist all 1:08:54.880 --> 1:08:57.360 the time, and we went and did something together, like 1:08:57.400 --> 1:08:58.960 they went to like a concert together, and I was like, 1:08:59.000 --> 1:09:02.000 that's weird, Like I've only ever texted my therapist about 1:09:02.040 --> 1:09:05.280 I'm running late, or like, you know, it's only scheduling. 1:09:05.360 --> 1:09:08.200 It's I mean, maybe people have it set up where 1:09:08.200 --> 1:09:09.920 you can text if you have a major problem and 1:09:09.920 --> 1:09:12.280 there's some kind of setup you have that they give 1:09:12.320 --> 1:09:14.720 you like a quick tool to but even then it's 1:09:14.760 --> 1:09:17.920 like off hours. I don't really I think that there 1:09:18.000 --> 1:09:20.960 just needs to be very clear because there's all these 1:09:20.960 --> 1:09:23.080 therapists out there going this is part of your treatment. 1:09:23.120 --> 1:09:24.559 Me picking you up from a bar, it's part of 1:09:24.560 --> 1:09:26.000 your treatment. Me like doing this. 1:09:26.160 --> 1:09:28.200 It's you know, like they can just say that it's 1:09:28.200 --> 1:09:29.680 like a catch all, and I just feel like it's 1:09:29.680 --> 1:09:31.960 important to know that your therapy should basically just be 1:09:32.000 --> 1:09:34.760 happening either on zoom or in an office, and you 1:09:34.800 --> 1:09:37.559 should really not be interacting outside of your sessions at all. 1:09:37.920 --> 1:09:39.840 And we have therapists that follow us, and I'm sure 1:09:39.840 --> 1:09:43.240 they can pipe in. But and I understand the like curiosity. 1:09:43.280 --> 1:09:45.599 I've been so curious about some of my therapists before, 1:09:45.640 --> 1:09:47.720 like I've tried to see if they have Instagram. I've 1:09:47.760 --> 1:09:50.000 definitely like checked to see, like, oh, what are their 1:09:50.040 --> 1:09:53.040 lives like? Because now it does feel one sided. They 1:09:53.080 --> 1:09:56.120 know everything about you and you know nothing. You know, 1:09:56.920 --> 1:09:59.400 so but I have learned over the years. That's like 1:09:59.520 --> 1:10:02.040 that's the like lean into that, like you don't need 1:10:02.080 --> 1:10:05.240 to take on anybody else's baggage. But like, you know, 1:10:05.600 --> 1:10:08.839 I know, I get the curiosity, but like, no commenting 1:10:08.840 --> 1:10:11.360 on your therapists Instagram page if you do find it. 1:10:11.560 --> 1:10:16.439 No, no, no, no no. And so I mean I agree, 1:10:16.680 --> 1:10:18.439 it just sucks. I'm glad he got caught. 1:10:18.520 --> 1:10:22.519 And I don't know, I'm curious about hypnosis, but it 1:10:22.600 --> 1:10:23.920 is pretty dangerous, I guess. 1:10:24.520 --> 1:10:28.559 Yeah, there's another episode of this, right, there's a lot 1:10:28.600 --> 1:10:34.040 of hypnosis therapies. You know, child's identity where they made 1:10:34.320 --> 1:10:36.000 he made the kids have sucks with each other. 1:10:36.120 --> 1:10:36.719 Oh my god. 1:10:37.040 --> 1:10:40.240 But yeah, like with crimes, this kind of small you know, 1:10:40.560 --> 1:10:44.400 it's like many media outlets, but it's the same information 1:10:44.560 --> 1:10:46.240 over and over and over and all of them like 1:10:46.240 --> 1:10:49.960 it was one press release from the police department and 1:10:50.000 --> 1:10:52.960 that's that. And so I am curious, like did the 1:10:53.000 --> 1:10:54.960 writers really find this article? 1:10:55.240 --> 1:10:56.560 Do they have pings? 1:10:56.720 --> 1:11:00.599 Like is it just a concept of you know, bad 1:11:00.640 --> 1:11:06.400 bad therapists? But it made me, yeah, kind of wonder Yeah, Okay. 1:11:06.439 --> 1:11:09.559 So the next case is the Shelby McDowell case, and 1:11:09.640 --> 1:11:14.640 this is a wedding crasher situation. So, Florida, October twenty seventeen, 1:11:15.280 --> 1:11:18.360 twenty year old Shelby McDowell arrived at a Palm Coast 1:11:18.400 --> 1:11:21.839 wedding and she was wearing a black wig. In the beginning, 1:11:21.920 --> 1:11:25.559 she's a blunt and she was not invited, but she 1:11:25.680 --> 1:11:28.080 was there to spy on her boyfriend and named a 1:11:28.200 --> 1:11:31.519 man named Darby John's wild name. 1:11:31.720 --> 1:11:32.080 Okay. 1:11:32.479 --> 1:11:36.160 She saw him dancing and kissing another woman and rushed 1:11:36.160 --> 1:11:38.360 shover through a drink at the both of them and 1:11:38.400 --> 1:11:41.839 then punched her and she then fled to the bathroom 1:11:41.840 --> 1:11:45.840 where things escalated. McDowell says a few bridesmaids pulled her 1:11:45.880 --> 1:11:48.200 out by her feet and punched her to punish her 1:11:48.240 --> 1:11:51.479 for what she had done. And so but the resort 1:11:51.520 --> 1:11:53.760 officials say when they came in to break up the fight, 1:11:53.840 --> 1:11:56.559 that McDowell was actually on top of a victim, punching 1:11:56.600 --> 1:12:00.160 her in the face. So why, I don't know what 1:12:00.200 --> 1:12:03.759 happened in the bathroom. She was arrested and charged for battery. 1:12:04.360 --> 1:12:07.880 But the twist is very angered, goes west. John told 1:12:07.920 --> 1:12:11.360 police that he is not her boyfriend. She says they 1:12:11.439 --> 1:12:14.280 dated for two years. He also said that he was 1:12:14.320 --> 1:12:17.160 not kissing that woman either, that they were just walking 1:12:17.200 --> 1:12:20.640 to the dance floor when they were attacked. McDowell was 1:12:20.720 --> 1:12:25.320 arrested for battery and transported to the Flagler County Jail. 1:12:26.000 --> 1:12:28.599 She did say she was sorry to the Palm Beach 1:12:28.680 --> 1:12:31.479 Post that she was very apologetic towards the bride and 1:12:31.479 --> 1:12:34.639 groom and never intended for it to get so out 1:12:34.720 --> 1:12:38.120 of control. But what's funny to me is she's apologetic 1:12:38.160 --> 1:12:40.320 for ruining the wedding, but not to the woman she 1:12:40.400 --> 1:12:42.000 punched in the face, you know what I mean? 1:12:42.160 --> 1:12:42.639 Or nothing? 1:12:42.880 --> 1:12:45.519 Yeah, But it's also like, do you think that her 1:12:45.520 --> 1:12:47.559 and that guy were dating? Do you think that guy 1:12:47.640 --> 1:12:51.960 is just like lying and being like gaslighting and being like, 1:12:52.040 --> 1:12:54.200 I mean, he's been like secretly dating her for two 1:12:54.240 --> 1:12:56.040 years and then kind of like, I mean, I don't 1:12:56.080 --> 1:12:56.759 we're not dating. 1:12:58.439 --> 1:12:59.120 I don't know. 1:12:59.400 --> 1:13:02.519 I because of the move, because of Ingrid goes west, 1:13:02.560 --> 1:13:06.400 they can believe it, and because I think people are 1:13:06.400 --> 1:13:08.280 out there being kookie. I mean, she looked like a 1:13:08.320 --> 1:13:11.880 good time girl. I'll say that much. But the wig 1:13:12.720 --> 1:13:13.280 I don't see. 1:13:13.320 --> 1:13:13.760 I don't know. 1:13:13.840 --> 1:13:17.040 I didn't get the impression that she's because even okay, 1:13:17.200 --> 1:13:20.240 you're if you were going out for two years and 1:13:20.280 --> 1:13:22.439 your boyfriend took someone else to a wedding or you 1:13:22.439 --> 1:13:25.200 weren't invited, that would be an issue beforehand. That would 1:13:25.240 --> 1:13:27.040 be like I'm going to the wedding, Like why would 1:13:27.080 --> 1:13:28.040 he take another person? 1:13:28.320 --> 1:13:31.599 Right right? Like he must be a real. 1:13:31.479 --> 1:13:34.559 Scum lord, like like but if they had an actual, 1:13:34.640 --> 1:13:39.200 real relationship for two years, this would be really bad behavior. 1:13:39.800 --> 1:13:42.400 Yeah, I think maybe. 1:13:42.160 --> 1:13:45.320 He wasn't invited with a plus one, but he but 1:13:45.400 --> 1:13:47.000 and then he's dancing with this woman. 1:13:47.240 --> 1:13:47.920 I don't know. 1:13:48.880 --> 1:13:51.960 Tell us what you guys think, Yeah, if you know, 1:13:52.320 --> 1:13:53.760 I mean, this is not that old of a case. 1:13:53.760 --> 1:13:56.280 If anybody knows anything more about Shelby McDowell case, let 1:13:56.360 --> 1:13:56.600 us know. 1:13:57.040 --> 1:13:58.640 No, And it was like on the cut, you know 1:13:58.680 --> 1:14:00.960 what I mean? Yeah, that's where I was reading, because 1:14:00.960 --> 1:14:01.320 it's like. 1:14:01.280 --> 1:14:06.800 At everybody loves a wild met wedding meltdown, like everyone Yeah. 1:14:06.520 --> 1:14:10.439 A wedding crasher, punched in the face, getting dragged out 1:14:10.479 --> 1:14:11.560 by bridesmaids. 1:14:11.640 --> 1:14:13.880 Remember the woman he was than doing trying to do 1:14:13.920 --> 1:14:15.719 a spin move off of the pole in the middle 1:14:15.760 --> 1:14:17.800 of the dance and just took down the whole wedding tent. 1:14:17.880 --> 1:14:23.040 It was like a huge viral video like love that. 1:14:24.880 --> 1:14:25.200 I do. 1:14:25.400 --> 1:14:25.880 Love that. 1:14:26.960 --> 1:14:30.120 Okay, So this one's a little meteor. This is the 1:14:30.200 --> 1:14:34.240 Susan Polk case. She was a California woman, mother of 1:14:34.280 --> 1:14:37.800 three and ended up murdering her husband, who was her 1:14:37.880 --> 1:14:39.799 therapist when she was a teen. 1:14:40.320 --> 1:14:43.760 No, so very many layers here. 1:14:44.000 --> 1:14:46.080 She says that he took advantage of her when she 1:14:46.200 --> 1:14:51.040 was an underage patient, but basically her one of her 1:14:51.040 --> 1:14:54.640 sons found doctor Frank Felix Poke's dead body in the 1:14:54.640 --> 1:14:56.479 pool of the house that they shared, like in the 1:14:56.520 --> 1:14:58.080 backhouse guest house pool area. 1:14:59.120 --> 1:15:00.000 He called the police. 1:15:00.000 --> 1:15:04.680 They were rich mansion, huge house, like very wealthy in Arenda, Florida. 1:15:05.320 --> 1:15:08.400 And so it says California in your notes. Y, Yes, 1:15:08.560 --> 1:15:13.400 that's what I meant. Yeah, or Rinda, California, which is 1:15:13.439 --> 1:15:17.240 by San Francisco. And then so the son called the police, 1:15:17.560 --> 1:15:21.639 and around nine pm on October fourteenth, two thousand and two, 1:15:22.160 --> 1:15:24.720 the cops arrived and they found doctor Polk in the 1:15:24.720 --> 1:15:27.120 main room of the poolhouse on his back, lying in 1:15:27.200 --> 1:15:31.200 a bunch of blood. So the son, Gabriel Polk, was 1:15:31.560 --> 1:15:35.639 fifteen years old at the time, and to dispatchers he said, 1:15:36.840 --> 1:15:39.960 my mom shot my dad, who was seventy at the 1:15:40.000 --> 1:15:42.960 time of death. I'm adding that he did not say 1:15:42.960 --> 1:15:51.000 that to the dispatcher, but he was not shot. The 1:15:51.120 --> 1:15:53.960 kid just you know, was probably overwhelmed with all the blood. 1:15:54.360 --> 1:15:57.280 So yeah, no shootings. But the dad was dead twenty 1:15:57.280 --> 1:16:00.080 two hours prior to the body being found, and he 1:16:00.160 --> 1:16:03.439 was stabbed. He was stabbed more than twenty times, and 1:16:03.520 --> 1:16:05.720 he was also hit in the back of the head 1:16:05.720 --> 1:16:06.800 with a blunt object. 1:16:07.000 --> 1:16:07.800 So that's that. 1:16:08.280 --> 1:16:11.040 Gabe also told police that he was like waiting for 1:16:11.120 --> 1:16:13.960 his dad to go to a baseball game that afternoon, 1:16:14.120 --> 1:16:16.040 but by the time like nine pm rolled around, the 1:16:16.120 --> 1:16:18.920 dead didn't show up. He was like, maybe I should check, 1:16:19.400 --> 1:16:21.240 but the mom was like, oh, I don't know where 1:16:21.280 --> 1:16:23.559 your dad is. And so at nine pm, he like 1:16:23.600 --> 1:16:25.559 finally went and found his dad. There were no signs 1:16:25.560 --> 1:16:28.519 of a struggle or forced entry to the poolhouse, so 1:16:28.920 --> 1:16:31.439 more cops came. They interviewed Gabe and they learned that 1:16:31.479 --> 1:16:36.120 his parents had a failing marriage, and Susan then spoke 1:16:36.160 --> 1:16:38.519 to the police. She explained how she met him as 1:16:38.560 --> 1:16:41.000 a teen when she had behavioral issues and the school 1:16:41.040 --> 1:16:44.080 recommended that she see a therapist. He was twenty five 1:16:44.160 --> 1:16:46.760 years older than her, and her mother believed that he 1:16:46.920 --> 1:16:49.760 was taking advantage of her, and her mom claims that 1:16:49.800 --> 1:16:53.639 he raped her daughter by hypnotizing and drugging her. Susan, however, 1:16:53.800 --> 1:16:56.360 was in love with him and she did not see 1:16:56.400 --> 1:16:59.800 it as like abusive or exploitative. But the mom never 1:16:59.800 --> 1:17:03.280 reported him to the police, but she did make them 1:17:03.280 --> 1:17:05.640 stop seeing each other. So, you know, while she's a 1:17:05.720 --> 1:17:08.519 teen under her mom's roof, everything is chill. But then 1:17:08.560 --> 1:17:11.160 the relationship started back up when she was like around 1:17:11.240 --> 1:17:15.559 nineteen twenty in college. So while in college she sees 1:17:15.760 --> 1:17:20.040 this other therapist. She discloses the information, but instead of 1:17:20.080 --> 1:17:22.479 going to the police, which she should have done as 1:17:22.520 --> 1:17:26.080 like a mandatory reporter or something, he calls Polk's wife. 1:17:27.600 --> 1:17:30.680 Oh my god, what So then his wife wants a 1:17:30.760 --> 1:17:33.760 divorce with you know, doctor Felix, and he goes, okay, fine, 1:17:33.760 --> 1:17:34.559 we can get divorced. 1:17:34.600 --> 1:17:36.760 And then he marries Susan. 1:17:37.040 --> 1:17:40.040 Yeah, his twenty year old woman that he's like literally 1:17:40.080 --> 1:17:42.280 been svengaliing since she was a teen. 1:17:42.640 --> 1:17:44.320 Ugh, ugh, it's right. 1:17:45.080 --> 1:17:47.920 And they were married December nineteen eighty one and they 1:17:47.960 --> 1:17:51.439 had three sons, Adam, Eli and Gabriel. When the kids 1:17:51.479 --> 1:17:54.120 moved out, their marriage began to deteriorate, and she was 1:17:54.200 --> 1:17:58.000 planning on moving to Montana and like, you know, splitting 1:17:58.040 --> 1:18:01.000 from him, and it was just too much constant fighting. 1:18:01.080 --> 1:18:03.360 They were at each other's throats and she wanted out. 1:18:04.080 --> 1:18:07.120 But while she was away, police found out that Felix 1:18:07.160 --> 1:18:11.599 took steps against her in the divorce, so she like 1:18:11.800 --> 1:18:15.080 he got a restraining order against her to give himself 1:18:15.400 --> 1:18:18.960 sole custody of their children and sole possession of their home. 1:18:19.320 --> 1:18:21.599 So while she's in Montana trying to figure out her 1:18:21.600 --> 1:18:24.599 Eprey love second half of life under the Tuscan Sun, 1:18:25.200 --> 1:18:29.400 he's at home, plotting, going to lawyers and trying to 1:18:29.479 --> 1:18:32.800 fuck her over, fuck money over. Like he had her 1:18:32.800 --> 1:18:36.320 monthly payments reduced from six thousand to seventeen hundred dollars 1:18:36.360 --> 1:18:39.160 a month, and so when she saw what Felix did, 1:18:39.240 --> 1:18:42.160 she was fucking pissed. So she got her son Gabriel 1:18:42.200 --> 1:18:44.479 to help move his stuff into the guest house behind 1:18:44.479 --> 1:18:47.519 their home. She's like, fuck this, I'm staying in the mansion. 1:18:47.640 --> 1:18:50.439 He's getting into the poolhouse. And in three days before 1:18:50.479 --> 1:18:53.360 the murder, Felix had actually called nine one one to 1:18:53.400 --> 1:18:56.720 report a domestic dispute after his wife kicked him out 1:18:56.800 --> 1:18:59.200 of the main house and changed the locks on the doors. 1:18:59.520 --> 1:19:02.240 So so now we're getting into the nitty gritty of 1:19:02.280 --> 1:19:07.000 the evidence. Everything else is, you know, just setting up 1:19:07.040 --> 1:19:11.240 the scene of where they're at marriage wise, and maybe 1:19:11.280 --> 1:19:14.120 some motives. But Felix had a clump of hair in 1:19:14.160 --> 1:19:17.519 his hand at the murder scene, and the DNA proved 1:19:17.600 --> 1:19:21.160 that it did belong to his estranged wife, Susan. One question, 1:19:21.439 --> 1:19:24.200 she seemed very aloof. She was not shocked that her 1:19:24.240 --> 1:19:27.200 husband was dead, and she was like, oh, yeah, we 1:19:27.200 --> 1:19:29.080 were actually going to get divorced anyways. 1:19:29.640 --> 1:19:31.920 So I kind of obsessed with her, Okay. 1:19:32.280 --> 1:19:35.000 So she did eventually admit to doing it, but did 1:19:35.040 --> 1:19:38.000 claim self defense. She said there was a fight that happened, 1:19:38.040 --> 1:19:40.400 and he grabbed a knife and attacked her, and fearing 1:19:40.439 --> 1:19:43.120 for her life since she'd been abused before, she had 1:19:43.120 --> 1:19:46.280 to fight back. She argued self defense, but prosecutors and 1:19:46.320 --> 1:19:50.040 police did not believe her. She claims that, you know, 1:19:50.120 --> 1:19:53.000 he's a liar. He turned the kids against her and 1:19:53.280 --> 1:19:56.000 told the kids that she was mentally ill. But she 1:19:56.080 --> 1:19:58.880 did murder a man, so you know, he might have 1:19:58.920 --> 1:20:02.160 been onto something. Finally, in court, she decided to fire 1:20:02.200 --> 1:20:05.679 her lawyers and represent herself at this twenty two week 1:20:05.800 --> 1:20:06.599 long murder. 1:20:06.479 --> 1:20:07.960 Trial in two thousand and six. 1:20:08.880 --> 1:20:11.320 And let me tell you all the quotes of like 1:20:11.439 --> 1:20:14.640 all the other lawyers were like she fucking crushed. They 1:20:15.240 --> 1:20:18.200 were like her cross examination was killer. We don't know 1:20:18.200 --> 1:20:22.160 where she came from, Like everyone was praising her, like 1:20:22.400 --> 1:20:26.600 lawyer skills on the stand got but even like a 1:20:26.640 --> 1:20:29.240 wilder twist to this case. The trial was supposed to 1:20:29.240 --> 1:20:32.840 happen in two thousand and four, but Pamela Vitali, the 1:20:32.960 --> 1:20:37.120 wife of Polk's attorney Dan Horowitz, was found stabbed to 1:20:37.160 --> 1:20:38.200 death inside their home. 1:20:38.680 --> 1:20:39.439 Oh my god. 1:20:40.200 --> 1:20:43.599 Yeah, So a teen who lived nearby, Scott de Leski, 1:20:43.760 --> 1:20:48.280 was convicted of torturing this woman to death. And so yeah, 1:20:48.360 --> 1:20:51.439 the lawyer dropped out of the case. And then after 1:20:51.560 --> 1:20:55.080 Polk publicly suggested that he was involved in his wife's murder, 1:20:57.640 --> 1:21:02.240 why would she. 1:21:00.200 --> 1:21:03.440 She just didn't care. I mean, she's she's on one. Okay, 1:21:03.840 --> 1:21:05.240 she's on one. 1:21:06.160 --> 1:21:06.759 So it's whoever. 1:21:06.880 --> 1:21:10.120 Children did testify against her in court, and she then 1:21:10.240 --> 1:21:11.759 cross examined her sons. 1:21:12.160 --> 1:21:14.519 No, yeah, I think. 1:21:14.600 --> 1:21:18.439 Svu's even done that, had a mom representing herself cross 1:21:18.479 --> 1:21:19.960 examining her own kids. 1:21:20.400 --> 1:21:24.120 No, we gotta we gotta pitch, we gotta pitch something. 1:21:24.400 --> 1:21:28.439 Because imagine me being like Oskie, tell the truth to 1:21:28.479 --> 1:21:29.240 the court. 1:21:29.760 --> 1:21:32.400 Knock on wood. Yeah, so she was just like badger. 1:21:32.640 --> 1:21:34.479 You know, they were badgered by their own mom, and 1:21:34.520 --> 1:21:37.679 it got one, it got wild, and you know how 1:21:37.840 --> 1:21:38.360 women are. 1:21:38.320 --> 1:21:39.639 Usually judged and stuff. 1:21:39.680 --> 1:21:45.000 It probably doesn't look good because even in certain cases 1:21:45.479 --> 1:21:48.600 in SVU, the dude lawyers are like, you know, I 1:21:48.640 --> 1:21:50.800 can't be yelling at a schoolgirl up there, like you 1:21:50.880 --> 1:21:53.840 need to do it, you know, like optics do matter, 1:21:54.080 --> 1:21:58.320 and so like just watching her bade her sons on 1:21:58.360 --> 1:22:01.559 the stand. But one child, the middle child, Eli, did 1:22:01.640 --> 1:22:04.920 stand as her defense witness. The jury deliberated it for 1:22:05.040 --> 1:22:07.920 four days and did find her guilty of second degree 1:22:08.000 --> 1:22:11.400 murder of her husband and received a sentence of sixteen 1:22:11.439 --> 1:22:15.040 years to life. She was denied parole in twenty nineteen 1:22:15.160 --> 1:22:19.800 and is not eligible again until twenty twenty nine. And Horowitz, 1:22:19.960 --> 1:22:23.000 the lawyer that you know, dealt with all that tragedy. 1:22:23.160 --> 1:22:26.280 He said, it's a shame because he really believed that 1:22:26.320 --> 1:22:30.160 she was clearly schizophrenic, but she would not allow him 1:22:30.200 --> 1:22:32.640 to use that in core, and so he's like, you know, 1:22:32.680 --> 1:22:35.840 should rather be convicted of murder than admit that she 1:22:35.920 --> 1:22:36.919 had mental issues? 1:22:37.880 --> 1:22:40.240 And if she had schizophrenia, it's hard to believe she 1:22:40.280 --> 1:22:43.200 would be so good at like crushing her defense. 1:22:43.960 --> 1:22:46.000 You know, Well it could have been one of her 1:22:46.400 --> 1:22:47.840 you know, split personality. 1:22:47.960 --> 1:22:51.640 Yeah, I don't know, we're being interesting. 1:22:51.720 --> 1:22:55.519 I feel like we have gone backwards in I was like, oh, 1:22:55.560 --> 1:22:57.040 you know, split personnel like that. 1:22:57.040 --> 1:22:58.840 Is not schizophrenica. It's not schizophrenia. 1:22:58.880 --> 1:23:02.240 But like, yeah, I mean sure people suffering from schizophrenia 1:23:02.280 --> 1:23:04.320 have good days and bad days, But how can you 1:23:04.880 --> 1:23:07.240 be sure it's going to be a good day and 1:23:07.360 --> 1:23:08.320 crush it in court? 1:23:08.439 --> 1:23:11.000 Like I don't know. I mean, she probably had. 1:23:10.800 --> 1:23:14.479 Some diagnosis, but Also, she's been married to a man 1:23:14.520 --> 1:23:18.720 for twenty years who's a cheater and was setting her 1:23:18.800 --> 1:23:21.760 up to fuck her over, and also was probably manipulating 1:23:21.760 --> 1:23:25.800 her and gat lighting her for twenty years. Yeah, you know, 1:23:26.479 --> 1:23:27.960 he probably called her crazy every day. 1:23:28.439 --> 1:23:30.360 I know, But I wonder if this is like when 1:23:31.000 --> 1:23:34.000 a major league pitcher is, you know, high as a 1:23:34.080 --> 1:23:37.240 kite and just pitches a no hitter, Like yeah, maybe 1:23:37.280 --> 1:23:39.759 it's just the situation where she's just in. 1:23:39.640 --> 1:23:43.519 Her bag, you know, yeah, ready to go in her element. 1:23:43.600 --> 1:23:45.840 I love it all right, Well, thank you. Those were 1:23:45.880 --> 1:23:49.120 all quite interesting. If anyone has any more information about 1:23:49.120 --> 1:23:51.559 what happened at that wedding brawl, I'd really love to know. 1:23:51.920 --> 1:23:53.439 I'd really love to know if they were really dating 1:23:53.520 --> 1:23:55.559 or not. We suld like a pitch. 1:23:55.640 --> 1:23:58.360 We should make an internet video pleading for someone to 1:23:58.360 --> 1:23:58.640 reach it. 1:23:58.720 --> 1:24:03.280 Yeah, come forward, please better yet the woman, let's get 1:24:03.280 --> 1:24:05.960 her on. Okay, we don't have a guest today, so 1:24:06.040 --> 1:24:12.719 let's get dive right into our post mortem a wedding 1:24:12.720 --> 1:24:15.679 I'm happy was ruined in this episode. I will say 1:24:15.680 --> 1:24:19.800 that this guy is a like, maybe one of my 1:24:19.840 --> 1:24:24.400 most hated villains in SVU history, because I hate that 1:24:24.439 --> 1:24:26.559 he made me believe him at the beginning, Like he 1:24:26.680 --> 1:24:29.240 was so committed to his own lie that I was like, oh, 1:24:29.280 --> 1:24:32.280 this guy, they're not even showing the guy with a 1:24:32.280 --> 1:24:34.680 shifty eye. There are the shows making you think that 1:24:34.760 --> 1:24:38.040 this guy that there's some other reason, there's some other wild. 1:24:37.960 --> 1:24:38.920 Twist that's gonna happen. 1:24:38.920 --> 1:24:39.080 I know. 1:24:39.120 --> 1:24:42.000 The twist is just that he's a psychopath, gaslighter. 1:24:42.120 --> 1:24:44.960 Yeah, raped his fucking wife too, or fiance. Thank god 1:24:45.000 --> 1:24:48.160 she didn't marry him. And it's arrogance. It all goes 1:24:48.200 --> 1:24:49.720 down to arrogance. You thought you were gonna get away 1:24:49.760 --> 1:24:51.640 with all these fucking lies. Of course he did, but 1:24:51.960 --> 1:24:54.000 nah no, But it's the case. 1:24:54.080 --> 1:24:57.080 So it's also freaky to think about someone like this, 1:24:57.240 --> 1:25:01.640 like fully chose psychotherapy as avenue because of what he 1:25:01.680 --> 1:25:03.559 knew he could accomplish with it, you know what I mean. 1:25:03.720 --> 1:25:05.960 Like he never was like, oh, I want to help 1:25:06.000 --> 1:25:07.960 people with their mental health problems. I think he was like, oh, 1:25:08.000 --> 1:25:09.880 this would be a great way to control women and 1:25:09.880 --> 1:25:11.280 like get people to do what I want them to 1:25:11.280 --> 1:25:15.040 do and like be a crazy, like be a. 1:25:15.000 --> 1:25:19.920 Psychotic a position of authority. Yeah, you know that's what 1:25:20.000 --> 1:25:22.920 good the doctor, the trust of it all. 1:25:23.200 --> 1:25:23.519 Wait. 1:25:23.720 --> 1:25:26.519 I know we're on this episode and we're talking about 1:25:26.760 --> 1:25:30.599 just therapists, people taking advantage of their positions of power, 1:25:31.000 --> 1:25:34.000 all of that. SV has had a few like hypnosis 1:25:34.000 --> 1:25:38.880 therapy episodes, but there's new Scott Peterson stuff, and I 1:25:38.880 --> 1:25:42.639 feel like I have to really watch it because you know, I, uh, 1:25:43.840 --> 1:25:44.680 I didn't defend him. 1:25:44.720 --> 1:25:46.639 I know that he killed her. I just think the 1:25:46.840 --> 1:25:48.599 police work wasn't good enough. 1:25:49.080 --> 1:25:53.040 No, I hear what you're saying, but watching this doc 1:25:53.880 --> 1:25:58.800 the doc is making me fully like just his demeanor, 1:25:59.160 --> 1:26:01.880 like the way he hawks, the way he's talking to 1:26:02.040 --> 1:26:05.400 Amber knowing his wife is missing and he's not like 1:26:05.520 --> 1:26:07.040 telling her, And like, you. 1:26:07.040 --> 1:26:09.400 Know what's the new doc on? Is it Hulu or Netflix? 1:26:09.760 --> 1:26:12.400 It's on Netflix, Okay, because now they're all popping up 1:26:12.439 --> 1:26:15.840 all their stuff right now, so I don't know which 1:26:15.880 --> 1:26:17.880 one's the one that everyone's talking. I think it's called 1:26:17.960 --> 1:26:22.160 American Crime, the Lacy Peterson the Murder or something like that, 1:26:22.280 --> 1:26:23.200 or Disappearance of Lycy. 1:26:23.320 --> 1:26:23.800 I'd have to. 1:26:23.760 --> 1:26:26.480 Watch it before next week and have my full retraction. 1:26:28.400 --> 1:26:30.439 It's so funny because a few people have messaged us 1:26:30.439 --> 1:26:33.639 being like, ah, have you guys watched this but I 1:26:33.720 --> 1:26:35.680 watched an episode of it with my family, because you know, 1:26:35.720 --> 1:26:38.080 my family loves to get together when we're all together 1:26:38.200 --> 1:26:41.799 for our summer vacation and watch a bunch of fucking 1:26:41.960 --> 1:26:43.200 crazy true crime. 1:26:43.479 --> 1:26:44.640 So we watched an episode of that. 1:26:44.720 --> 1:26:47.080 Then I watched an episode at the end of my trip, 1:26:47.640 --> 1:26:49.840 just folding laundry the night before I left for the airport, 1:26:49.840 --> 1:26:51.720 and was like, I guess I'll tap back into this, 1:26:52.080 --> 1:26:55.080 And what's so crazy is like, maybe we talked about 1:26:55.080 --> 1:26:58.080 this when we originally did Scott Peterson, and I apologize 1:26:58.080 --> 1:27:00.559 if I'm repeating myself, but like we were so focused 1:27:00.560 --> 1:27:02.880 on the Amber Fry of it all, Like they were 1:27:02.920 --> 1:27:05.400 barely dating. They were dating a few a couple months 1:27:05.520 --> 1:27:08.160 or something when Lacy went missing, Like they were not 1:27:08.360 --> 1:27:09.240 dating for that long. 1:27:09.320 --> 1:27:11.200 Like everyone was like Amber Fry. 1:27:11.280 --> 1:27:13.200 Like when I remember the coverage of it, it was 1:27:13.280 --> 1:27:17.200 just Amberfry, like the affair, da da da dah, Like, yes, 1:27:17.280 --> 1:27:20.280 that's a huge smoking gun. Obviously, that's sallacious. But like, 1:27:20.840 --> 1:27:22.599 in my mind, I think she had something to do 1:27:22.640 --> 1:27:25.040 with it. Like when I was like young, listening to 1:27:25.080 --> 1:27:25.880 the coverage. 1:27:25.560 --> 1:27:26.000 Jaman A. 1:27:27.560 --> 1:27:30.840 She Monica Lewinsky exactly exactly what I was gonna say, like, 1:27:31.520 --> 1:27:34.640 it's literally the way the media framed it as this 1:27:34.720 --> 1:27:36.880 other woman. It's like she dated a nice guy that 1:27:36.920 --> 1:27:38.680 she who she thought was a nice guy that her 1:27:38.680 --> 1:27:40.599 friend set her up with, who said that his wife 1:27:40.600 --> 1:27:42.600 had passed away and he didn't want to have his 1:27:42.640 --> 1:27:44.280 own children, and that he wanted to be a father 1:27:44.320 --> 1:27:48.240 to her kid. She was that's all this woman was doing. 1:27:48.400 --> 1:27:51.120 Then she wore a fucking wire to help the police. 1:27:51.160 --> 1:27:53.040 She didn't have to do any of that in this thing. 1:27:53.080 --> 1:27:55.040 They're talking about how good of an actress she was. 1:27:55.280 --> 1:27:57.000 They're like, we didn't tell her what to say. This 1:27:57.080 --> 1:27:59.200 bitch knew how to get stuff out of him. She 1:27:59.479 --> 1:28:02.280 was full cooperating and helping the cops. She called the 1:28:02.320 --> 1:28:04.960 cops to tell them that she was dating him. Like, 1:28:05.280 --> 1:28:07.200 and it's just crazy to me how in my mind 1:28:07.240 --> 1:28:10.760 Amber Fry was a villain in this because Lacey was 1:28:10.800 --> 1:28:12.880 like the girl. It's like, oh, in every story there 1:28:12.920 --> 1:28:15.439 has to be like the good girl and the bad girl, 1:28:15.520 --> 1:28:20.600 and like that's kind of not what it was at all. No, anyway, 1:28:20.880 --> 1:28:23.040 that's my little that's my little soap box on that. 1:28:23.080 --> 1:28:24.800 But I got to finish. There's three episodes of it, 1:28:24.840 --> 1:28:26.519 and I haven't watched the third episode, so I got 1:28:26.560 --> 1:28:27.160 to finish it. 1:28:27.400 --> 1:28:29.200 We'll both we'll both do that for next time. 1:28:29.439 --> 1:28:31.720 Oh and we talked about this earlier because we're talking 1:28:31.720 --> 1:28:34.080 about long legs and Nicholas Cage. But I also want 1:28:34.080 --> 1:28:37.400 to say I rewatched Renfield again and we interviewed one 1:28:37.400 --> 1:28:39.400 of the actresses from it. And remember when I met 1:28:39.400 --> 1:28:41.439 Ben Schwartz, He's like, it's a bond, like no one likes. 1:28:41.479 --> 1:28:43.960 It's not doing well. I've watched it like four times. 1:28:44.000 --> 1:28:44.479 I love it. 1:28:44.960 --> 1:28:48.040 You love it. I love it. I really do. So 1:28:49.360 --> 1:28:51.320 I don't know. Maybe I'm a fan. Maybe I'll watch 1:28:51.320 --> 1:28:53.400 it on a plane. Oh my god. 1:28:53.520 --> 1:28:57.320 I just read the worst fucking book for my book club, 1:28:57.320 --> 1:28:59.559 and I'm so annoyed that I spent so much time 1:28:59.680 --> 1:29:00.200 reading it. 1:29:00.200 --> 1:29:01.160 It was so bad. 1:29:02.200 --> 1:29:06.240 It's called The Unwedding and it's literally the log like 1:29:06.280 --> 1:29:09.800 the press line for it is like white Lotus meets 1:29:09.840 --> 1:29:12.360 Agatha Christie, and it's like, fuck you, that is not 1:29:12.479 --> 1:29:15.680 this at all. I could However, as I was reading it, 1:29:15.960 --> 1:29:17.960 I was like, this could easily be optioned and turned 1:29:17.960 --> 1:29:20.800 into a great television show with good writers. Turning this 1:29:20.960 --> 1:29:23.960 garbage garbage book into a good because like just the 1:29:24.000 --> 1:29:27.000 setup of it is like a good concept or whatever, 1:29:27.080 --> 1:29:31.000 but it's it's so bad. I went to book club 1:29:31.000 --> 1:29:32.320 and I go and I just walked in the door, 1:29:32.360 --> 1:29:33.800 and I was like, who's ready to shit on this 1:29:33.840 --> 1:29:34.360 book with me? 1:29:34.520 --> 1:29:37.559 Like everybody, like. 1:29:37.000 --> 1:29:39.360 Everybody hated it, but only two people finished it, Me 1:29:39.400 --> 1:29:41.519 and on other person. And that made me annoyed to like, 1:29:41.640 --> 1:29:43.200 I just why am I in a book club? Why 1:29:43.200 --> 1:29:45.080 am I rushing to finish these books when no one's 1:29:45.080 --> 1:29:48.040 reading them? But whatever, the person who recommended the book 1:29:48.040 --> 1:29:49.920 didn't finish it, and you know who it is, and 1:29:50.000 --> 1:29:53.599 it's just annoying anyway, so I will. 1:29:53.479 --> 1:29:55.120 Anyway, the. 1:29:56.920 --> 1:30:00.120 Person who recommended it did not finish it. 1:30:00.000 --> 1:30:02.400 It did not get to a pivotal part of it. 1:30:02.760 --> 1:30:04.680 I go, well, then after the disaster happened, She goes, 1:30:04.680 --> 1:30:06.519 when did that happen? I'm like, the first third of 1:30:06.560 --> 1:30:09.120 the book, Like, she did not even get close to 1:30:09.160 --> 1:30:09.720 finishing it. 1:30:10.439 --> 1:30:11.840 That's what you get for being in a book club, 1:30:11.880 --> 1:30:12.799 you fucking nerd. 1:30:13.400 --> 1:30:15.800 I know, I know, but I'm trying to read more 1:30:15.840 --> 1:30:17.880 and book clubs like hold me accountable because I'm like, oh, 1:30:17.880 --> 1:30:19.000 I got to finish because I don't want to be 1:30:19.040 --> 1:30:20.559 the only person at the thing that hasn't read it, 1:30:20.760 --> 1:30:21.960 And then every time I go, I'm like one of 1:30:22.000 --> 1:30:24.360 the only people per people who has read it. But 1:30:25.800 --> 1:30:27.639 send me good book, Rex, you know what I want 1:30:27.680 --> 1:30:30.960 to read All Fours by Miranda July. 1:30:32.600 --> 1:30:34.000 Okay, I want to read that book. I don't know 1:30:34.000 --> 1:30:34.880 why you're pointing at me. 1:30:35.240 --> 1:30:37.360 I'm pointing at you because I have some gossip noted 1:30:37.400 --> 1:30:41.320 in your brain. Okay, anyway, I thought maybe you knew 1:30:41.320 --> 1:30:44.080 who about you knew of her anyway, but that's not 1:30:44.120 --> 1:30:44.800 what I have to tell you. 1:30:44.800 --> 1:30:45.240 Anyway. 1:30:45.880 --> 1:30:49.519 The fucking takeaway from this episode is, don't I know 1:30:49.600 --> 1:30:51.559 your therapist knows a lot about you. I know your 1:30:51.560 --> 1:30:54.960 therapist might act like they care for you genuinely, but 1:30:55.000 --> 1:30:57.120 there needs to be a boundary between people and therapists. 1:30:57.200 --> 1:30:59.360 Don't date your therapist. Don't marry your therapists. I don't 1:30:59.360 --> 1:31:02.160 care if they're done your therapist. It's not a good 1:31:02.200 --> 1:31:08.519 idea and scene or scene wait on. 1:31:08.520 --> 1:31:09.920 We have to move on. But we haven't seen each 1:31:09.920 --> 1:31:10.960 other in a while. Okay. 1:31:11.040 --> 1:31:14.800 One I did go to a secret domino night and 1:31:14.840 --> 1:31:17.599 I played dominoes at like a closed down restaurant where 1:31:17.600 --> 1:31:20.280 we got to smoke weed inside my friend DJ for 1:31:20.320 --> 1:31:21.000 a little bit of it. 1:31:21.120 --> 1:31:24.360 I won a few games. It felt incredible. I bet 1:31:24.360 --> 1:31:25.800 that was the night of your life. 1:31:26.040 --> 1:31:26.519 It was. 1:31:27.000 --> 1:31:29.720 And then oh, I so I'm gonna go again next month, 1:31:29.840 --> 1:31:32.600 I think, but it's once a month. But guess what, 1:31:32.720 --> 1:31:35.840 So October, I think it's going to coincide with another 1:31:35.920 --> 1:31:40.120 dream event where I am judging. I'm on the judging 1:31:40.240 --> 1:31:45.240 panel of the Simpsons Trivia costume contest William for O October. 1:31:45.840 --> 1:31:47.640 I already bought part of my costume. I'm not in 1:31:47.720 --> 1:31:50.280 the competition. Mine's gonna be kind of basic. But I 1:31:50.320 --> 1:31:53.400 get to judge, and I'm so excited. It's like Domino Nights, 1:31:53.560 --> 1:31:54.599 Simpson's judging. 1:31:54.680 --> 1:31:56.679 I'm like, Ah, New York. 1:31:56.920 --> 1:32:00.960 I'm a person that's planning to go to the You 1:32:01.000 --> 1:32:02.960 listen to our podcast, you got a leg up. You 1:32:03.040 --> 1:32:05.360 know what Lisa will like. She's gonna like the deep 1:32:05.400 --> 1:32:08.160 cut costumes. You got to get in there. That's my 1:32:08.280 --> 1:32:11.840 tip to you. Maybe go back listen to some of 1:32:11.880 --> 1:32:15.519 our episodes where she talks about specific Simpson's references. Quickly 1:32:15.560 --> 1:32:18.000 go back and leave through two hundred episodes of this podcast, 1:32:18.040 --> 1:32:18.920 you can figure it out. 1:32:19.360 --> 1:32:19.519 Well. 1:32:19.560 --> 1:32:22.080 For my birthday dinner that's happening this week, I was 1:32:22.560 --> 1:32:25.280 trying to make everyone dress like Carrie Bradshaw and then 1:32:25.439 --> 1:32:27.200 it hit me and I'm like what am I doing? 1:32:27.240 --> 1:32:28.280 And I canceled the theme. 1:32:28.320 --> 1:32:31.120 I said, please just wear whatever you want and everyone 1:32:31.320 --> 1:32:32.640 was so relieved. 1:32:32.960 --> 1:32:37.760 Like so, it's like, my brother is going to Fire 1:32:37.800 --> 1:32:40.040 Island this week on Friday, and I was like, oh 1:32:40.040 --> 1:32:42.000 my god, that's so fun. And he was like yeah, 1:32:42.000 --> 1:32:44.760 but they're like making us bring all these costumes and 1:32:44.800 --> 1:32:46.880 stuff and he's like not into it. And I'm like 1:32:47.080 --> 1:32:49.439 that's the fun part. Like he's like so not into 1:32:49.479 --> 1:32:52.639 the costumes and the dressing up, and like I'm trying 1:32:52.640 --> 1:32:54.120 to get him to embrace Wait. 1:32:53.960 --> 1:32:56.519 Should we all dress now? Because he's so boring in 1:32:56.600 --> 1:32:58.479 terms of wardrobe. I was like, should we all dress 1:32:58.520 --> 1:33:01.479 like our friends? Who's turning? But like, what are we 1:33:01.479 --> 1:33:01.960 gonna wear? 1:33:02.080 --> 1:33:04.160 Like Swell, he's been wearing a lot of tank tops lately. 1:33:04.200 --> 1:33:05.679 I might get into a tank It's so funny. 1:33:05.720 --> 1:33:07.000 That's what Lane said to me when I was like, 1:33:07.160 --> 1:33:10.200 you know, I'm thinking what's to get for Michael, and 1:33:10.240 --> 1:33:12.080 he said he's wearing a lot of tank tops, so 1:33:12.080 --> 1:33:14.240 I guess people have noticed from coast to coast. 1:33:14.840 --> 1:33:18.759 Oh, Michael's been tanking lately, tanking hard. So funny. 1:33:20.000 --> 1:33:21.920 Really, I'm about to take and seef he wants to 1:33:21.920 --> 1:33:23.120 go to the beach this weekend. 1:33:23.479 --> 1:33:27.080 Wait, but at your brother's house. There was a moment 1:33:27.760 --> 1:33:30.160 where I went, hey, Oscar, can you bring me my hat? 1:33:30.479 --> 1:33:32.519 And both you and jured were like, he's not gonna 1:33:32.520 --> 1:33:36.080 do it, and he did. So It's amazing. Oscar doesn't 1:33:36.080 --> 1:33:38.160 do anything we ask him to do. So you have 1:33:38.240 --> 1:33:40.320 a once again, you have a power over my children 1:33:40.520 --> 1:33:42.760 and Rose both of them grabbed me things while I 1:33:42.800 --> 1:33:44.320 was in the body of water and didn't want to 1:33:44.320 --> 1:33:46.200 get out. And then while we were in the pool, 1:33:46.200 --> 1:33:48.639 we kept making the kids check to see how hot, 1:33:48.680 --> 1:33:50.439 if the hot tub was hot enough for us, We 1:33:50.520 --> 1:33:52.599 kept being like, is that a way? 1:33:52.640 --> 1:33:52.840 Yet? 1:33:55.360 --> 1:33:57.160 She loved the stickers you brought her when we were 1:33:57.160 --> 1:33:58.679 packing for camps. She was like, what about my stickers 1:33:58.720 --> 1:33:59.800 from Lee's. I was like, I have them. 1:33:59.880 --> 1:34:03.320 Well, she's so mature because she used on her face 1:34:03.320 --> 1:34:05.200 like she used the shitty stickers that were just like 1:34:05.240 --> 1:34:08.120 the brand name and like the filler stickers on the sheet, 1:34:08.280 --> 1:34:11.080 and she was like, I'm saving the good stickers for later. 1:34:11.120 --> 1:34:13.680 And I'm like, oh, you're maturing already, Like you know, 1:34:13.720 --> 1:34:15.200 you got to take care of your stickers. 1:34:15.760 --> 1:34:16.240 She does. 1:34:16.320 --> 1:34:20.280 She knows what's a quality sticker, what's not. Let's move 1:34:20.320 --> 1:34:22.200 on to our what would this your peg do? This 1:34:22.240 --> 1:34:24.799 is our weekly segment where we point you guys towards, 1:34:26.240 --> 1:34:28.559 you know, a book, an article, something that gives you 1:34:28.600 --> 1:34:31.080 more information about what we talked about today. And today 1:34:31.200 --> 1:34:34.000 I wanted to point you to a Psychology Today article 1:34:34.120 --> 1:34:37.639 titled are You Being Gaslighted? I think I hear people 1:34:37.800 --> 1:34:41.879 a lot of times misusing gaslighting. I don't think everybody 1:34:41.960 --> 1:34:44.840 understands what it means. I think people sometimes mean it's 1:34:44.840 --> 1:34:47.400 somebody yelling at you to amp you up, or something 1:34:47.479 --> 1:34:49.240 like that to get you, Matt, And that's not what 1:34:49.320 --> 1:34:52.080 gaslighting is. And I think we don't really talk enough 1:34:52.120 --> 1:34:55.400 about how much gaslighting is used in abusive relationships, which 1:34:55.800 --> 1:34:58.400 obviously is what's happening in this episode a lot. 1:34:58.520 --> 1:34:58.600 So. 1:34:59.400 --> 1:35:03.320 The article outlines the multiple stages of gaslighting, disbelief, defense, depression. 1:35:03.720 --> 1:35:06.360 It also details all the signs on how to know 1:35:06.400 --> 1:35:09.360 if you're being gaslet. So for more information head over 1:35:09.400 --> 1:35:11.880 to Psychology Today dot com. The link is in our 1:35:11.920 --> 1:35:13.880 show notes for today. It's also going to be in 1:35:13.920 --> 1:35:15.840 our stories the day that this episode comes out, and 1:35:15.920 --> 1:35:19.679 then saved forever in our WWSPD highlight on our Instagram page. 1:35:19.840 --> 1:35:21.840 And if you're not following on our Instagram page, What's 1:35:21.920 --> 1:35:24.360 What's Up? 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