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Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to save your prediction of iHeartRadio. I'm

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Speaker 1: Annie Resil and I'm.

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Speaker 2: Lauren Vogelbaum, and today we have an episode for you

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Speaker 2: about white tailed deer.

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Speaker 1: And what an episode it is.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I mean, as always, you never know where

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Speaker 2: the reading is going to take you, and our animal

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Speaker 2: episodes are always a little bit strange to begin with,

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Speaker 2: because I'm like, check out the amazing biology of this creature.

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Speaker 2: It's also tasty, and yeah, I am also personally very

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Speaker 2: creeped out by deer.

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Speaker 1: This is true, so perhaps it's appropriate for the time

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Speaker 1: you and I had, which the time if you're not

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Speaker 1: listening to it when it comes out is October. You

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Speaker 1: and I had a conversation about de you in horror

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Speaker 1: movies and horror movies do love using deer? The Ring

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Speaker 1: two comes to minds Uh, recently, leave the whole world behind.

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Speaker 1: I had a whole deer thing.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's there. It's their dead eyes, like a doll's eyes.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. And they're big, Like, yeah, they're big.

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Speaker 2: That's that's my thing. It's I'm not okay, I'm not

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Speaker 2: scared of deer the way I'm scared of like, I

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Speaker 2: don't know, like like like worms with teeth or something

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Speaker 2: like that. It's just that deer are real. They are

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Speaker 2: in my backyard. They're bigger than me, and they and

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Speaker 2: and and if they so chose, they could absolutely trample

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Speaker 2: me to death easily, easily, Yeah, and quickly. They move fast.

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Speaker 2: They're big, and they move fast, and they've got big ol' hooves,

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Speaker 2: and they don't really want me to be there, like

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Speaker 2: they were here first and they know it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they do. That's a lesson from the ring too.

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Speaker 1: They also move erradically. I feel like I had a

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Speaker 1: lot of deer growing up in semi rural Georgia in

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Speaker 1: her backyards, and there was a constant war with my

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Speaker 1: mom and the deer and her sure, yeah, yeah, but

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Speaker 1: they would they would come into our yard, just a

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Speaker 1: bunch of them, and I would be out and about

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Speaker 1: maybe running or doing something in the yard, and I

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Speaker 1: would just they would just make these movements where I'm like, I'm.

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Speaker 2: Not sure what you're going to do next.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm trying to like stay in my lane here,

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Speaker 1: but I don't know where your lane is going.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know if you have a lane. I

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Speaker 2: don't know where they consider lanes to be I yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 2: I might have mentioned it on the show before the

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Speaker 2: house that I bought, that the property backs up to

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Speaker 2: some Georgia power lines. And so I've got like I've

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Speaker 2: got like a tiny little bit out of like like

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Speaker 2: the next street over. And in that space there's like

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Speaker 2: a tree line and like a little crik that runs through,

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Speaker 2: and yeah, so we get deer. And there's in particular

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Speaker 2: this like girl gang of deer that just owns that

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Speaker 2: like a big old lady, and yeah she is. She

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Speaker 2: was in my front yard once when I came home

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Speaker 2: and like and like the like the like lyft driver

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Speaker 2: I'm not getting out of the car, Like this is

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Speaker 2: your problem now, too, dude, Like this, like what are

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Speaker 2: we doing about this deer?

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Speaker 1: We've got to go up with the plow. I think

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Speaker 1: I got out of the car like in my driveway

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Speaker 1: of area and was sort of like.

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Speaker 2: Hi, ma'am, I'm just I just want to go to

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Speaker 2: my could would you like to leave.

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Speaker 1: Please?

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Speaker 2: Maybe it's kind of like quietly and like with my

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Speaker 2: hands up.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, she did. She did leave.

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Speaker 2: She she like sort of like like like looked me

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Speaker 2: up and down and was like, eh.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, she's got other things to do with her girl

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Speaker 1: game here.

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Speaker 2: Right, gosh, And and now, okay, So I was trying

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Speaker 2: to think of I was trying to think of it

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Speaker 2: horror authors. And she had a short story called Where

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Speaker 2: the Deer Are. And I'm trying to think whether my

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Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure it does, because again, like they're big

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Speaker 1: Gosh. Anyway, anyway, Yes, I know I've told this story before,

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Speaker 1: but I lived very close to what who I will

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Speaker 1: But living in the area that I lived, you could

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Speaker 1: get venison from people who hunted deer, and you could

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Speaker 1: I would hear gunshots near my head because people were

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Speaker 1: Then I did see some hunters passed out with beer

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Speaker 1: But but I have had venison and a couple of

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Speaker 2: I think I've I think I've only ever had venison

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Speaker 2: like on a relatively fancy restaurant menu, mm hmm. And

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Speaker 2: places that you get it in the United States.

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Speaker 1: Yep. Yeah, which we are going to talk about. We're

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Speaker 1: also going to go into a little bit more of

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Speaker 1: the horror that I'm excited to share. But hey, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I guess that brings us to our question. Sure, white

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Speaker 2: Well? White tailed deer are a type of big game

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Speaker 2: land mammal that live in mostly like sparse forest areas

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Speaker 2: of temperate North America. They can be farm raised, but

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Speaker 2: they're more often harvested wild. They are popular with big

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Speaker 2: game hunters because they're abundant, they're kind of wily. The

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Speaker 2: male deer grow these beautiful antlers. They're high as useful,

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Speaker 2: and their meat is tasty. This type of venison is

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Speaker 2: a lot leaner than, for example, beef, and often with

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Speaker 2: like other red meats, it will brown and can go

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Speaker 2: stands up well to other strong or rich or pike

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Speaker 1: They use the awful.

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Speaker 2: It's it's a lean, flavorful red meat. It is so

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Speaker 2: it tends to be just really tender and eating it,

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Speaker 2: eating it feels like a gift and a bounty.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, it reminds me of a lot of the

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Speaker 1: like fictional episodes we've done when we talk about where

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Speaker 1: they just they describe like the bounties at the forest,

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Speaker 2: Oh absolutely, Yeah, Oh so good. It's so good, And

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Speaker 2: I feel like it really is such a great like,

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Speaker 2: like it goes well with a lot of those kind

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Speaker 2: we go, all right. The white tailed deer is a

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Speaker 2: species in the Servidae or deer family. Their short, thick

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Speaker 2: fur is mostly reddish brown in the summer and grayish

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Speaker 2: and on the underside of their tails, which have about

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Speaker 2: the span of like a large human hand.

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Speaker 1: I guess.

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Speaker 2: They will raise that tail up, showing the white when

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Speaker 2: they're alert or excited, hence the name. They can live

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Speaker 2: though older animals can grow bigger, and male deer or

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Speaker 2: bucks will be larger than the female deer or dough.

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Speaker 2: On average, they weigh some one hundred pounds that's forty

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Speaker 2: little bit over twenty kilos. They mate in the late

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Speaker 2: The fawns are born able to walk and can forage

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Speaker 2: will often range out earlier than the dos. The fawns

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Speaker 2: do have adorable white spots across their backs. Like Bambi.

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Speaker 2: They tend to live in potentially large groups of females

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Speaker 2: in their fawns and then smaller groups of males. The

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Speaker 2: the antlers in the later winter and grow new ones

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Speaker 2: in the spring. Every year. The set that they grow

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Speaker 2: that's forty eight kilometers an hour. They can jump about

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Speaker 2: I'm fine with that.

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Speaker 1: Wow, I can get it, dear.

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Speaker 2: I mean right, I mean certainly, the like four foot

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Speaker 2: fences out back they have no problem with. They're just

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Speaker 1: Right over, no problem, little Jedi deer. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: They are also highly adaptable to different environments and can

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Speaker 2: breaking down all kinds of tough vegetation. Their natural habitat

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Speaker 2: anything from like subarctic to suburban conditions. A female deer

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Speaker 2: will typically reproduce with one to two fonnds every year.

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Speaker 2: In really good conditions, the population of white tailed deer

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Speaker 2: can increase by eighty nine percent year over year, which

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Speaker 2: means that a the population can stand up to harvesting,

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Speaker 1: Okay. So, Yes, the white tailed deer is the world's

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Speaker 2: There's so much, it's so abundant that it is clearly

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Speaker 1: It was awful. You get these, you'd get placed on

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Speaker 1: seen it, but it famously opens with a pretty traumatic

437
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Speaker 1: scene where a hunter called only the Man shoots and

438
00:28:28,359 --> 00:28:32,879
Speaker 1: kills Bambi's mom. The deer our white tailed deer in

439
00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:35,280
Speaker 1: this movie, which is different from them from what they

440
00:28:35,320 --> 00:28:39,240
Speaker 1: are in the book. To this day, many critics say

441
00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:41,920
Speaker 1: this is one of the best animated films of all time,

442
00:28:42,040 --> 00:28:45,000
Speaker 1: and because of that a lot has been looked into

443
00:28:45,520 --> 00:28:50,520
Speaker 1: in terms of the film's impact. One is that for

444
00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:53,360
Speaker 1: a lot of kids, this was one of the earliest

445
00:28:53,520 --> 00:28:58,040
Speaker 1: encounters with mortality that they had. There's an episode of

446
00:28:58,120 --> 00:29:02,160
Speaker 1: Friends that revolves around Phoebe realizing that her mom fast

447
00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:05,480
Speaker 1: forwarded through that scene in like every sad scene in

448
00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:09,320
Speaker 1: every child movie, but that was the scene because everyone

449
00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:11,280
Speaker 1: was like, what are you talking about? Bambee's so sad

450
00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:15,040
Speaker 1: and she didn't understand. Oh yeah, So she has a

451
00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:18,680
Speaker 1: real reckoning with that whole thing. Another is that after

452
00:29:18,840 --> 00:29:23,360
Speaker 1: this movie came out, deer Hunters experienced this huge pushback

453
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Speaker 1: from the public United States.

454
00:29:25,760 --> 00:29:29,520
Speaker 2: They were like, oh, you're hunting Bambi's mom, Like, yeah, yep.

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00:29:30,160 --> 00:29:32,880
Speaker 1: A lot of hunters have pointed out that the criticism

456
00:29:33,120 --> 00:29:37,000
Speaker 1: should more accurately be against people who do not care

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Speaker 1: about their environment or conservation. Because there was also a

458
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Speaker 1: wildfire that devastated the forest. Oh yeah, that part was

459
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Speaker 1: scarier for me personally, but anyway, yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yes, I remember.

461
00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:53,520
Speaker 1: Somehow, I we have to do these huge surveys at

462
00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:57,560
Speaker 1: work sometimes, and somehow, through one of those surveys, I

463
00:29:57,800 --> 00:30:01,840
Speaker 1: found out about how hunters like proch us Bambi every year.

464
00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:07,440
Speaker 1: And I remember sending you a message about it, like, oh,

465
00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:10,400
Speaker 1: that makes sense, but I didn't know about this. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel like for some kids our generation, like

467
00:30:14,560 --> 00:30:18,200
Speaker 2: Megatron was kind of the first one, and the Transformers

468
00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:25,240
Speaker 2: animated film like Bear like Brush with Mortality. But anyway, yeah, interesting.

469
00:30:25,800 --> 00:30:28,280
Speaker 2: Ostensibly we're a food show. Let's please continue.

470
00:30:30,520 --> 00:30:34,640
Speaker 1: Ostensibly we are, but I must talk about this, uh okay.

471
00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:37,080
Speaker 1: So this also led to what is called the Bambi effect,

472
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Speaker 1: are the idea that people resist killing cute animals like deer,

473
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Speaker 1: but have no problem with cruel conditions and mass slaughter

474
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Speaker 1: of other of those cute animals like pigs or cows.

475
00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:48,760
Speaker 1: And I think this relates to what we've talked to

476
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Speaker 1: before about how in the US, like we don't call

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Speaker 1: what we're eating the name of the animal. Yeah, it's

478
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Speaker 1: from generally chicken a parent, yes.

479
00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:03,560
Speaker 2: But yeah, yeah, a lot of the time we use

480
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Speaker 2: the French word for the meat and the English Germanic

481
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Speaker 2: word for the animal. Were also particularly distanced, like through supermarkets,

482
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Speaker 2: from any kind of butchering process and any kind of

483
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Speaker 2: reality about the life of the animal that we are

484
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Speaker 2: going to consume.

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Speaker 1: Yes, yes, so I think that's a big part of

486
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Speaker 1: the Bambi effect as well. Just to put this out there,

487
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Speaker 1: in twenty eighteen, a deer poacher, because that is a thing,

488
00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:39,440
Speaker 1: was sentenced to watch Bambi once a month over the year.

489
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Speaker 1: He was sentenced to jail.

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00:31:43,120 --> 00:31:43,360
Speaker 2: Wow.

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00:31:44,160 --> 00:31:47,840
Speaker 1: Wow, it feels particularly vindictive.

492
00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:48,240
Speaker 2: But I.

493
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Speaker 1: Okay, okay, but okay, we have to talk about the pouniverse.

494
00:31:53,440 --> 00:31:56,280
Speaker 1: This is a I have to talk about it.

495
00:31:57,920 --> 00:31:59,640
Speaker 2: This was not a thing that I was aware of

496
00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:01,840
Speaker 2: before where Annie brought it up a couple days ago.

497
00:32:02,040 --> 00:32:05,160
Speaker 2: So yeah, please please enlighten this, enlighten us all.

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00:32:06,040 --> 00:32:09,520
Speaker 1: Yes, So this is an aside within the aside. It's related,

499
00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:13,520
Speaker 1: and I want to preface it by saying I am

500
00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:19,200
Speaker 1: in no way recommending these films. Okay, okay, okay, no,

501
00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:24,080
Speaker 1: but there are some really good puns in there. They're puns.

502
00:32:25,120 --> 00:32:26,840
Speaker 1: I put some at the bottom. I don't know if

503
00:32:26,840 --> 00:32:29,800
Speaker 1: you saw them, but okay.

504
00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:33,720
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, back up. What is what is the pouniverse? Annie?

505
00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:37,040
Speaker 1: Oh, I'm so glad you asked.

506
00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:39,240
Speaker 2: So.

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Speaker 1: We have seen a lot of popular pieces of media

508
00:32:43,480 --> 00:32:48,200
Speaker 1: come into the public domain recently. We've also seen a

509
00:32:48,320 --> 00:32:52,280
Speaker 1: lot of them made into pretty bad horror movies. A

510
00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:56,400
Speaker 1: lot of them are children's movies made into horror movies.

511
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Speaker 1: One of the most famous distances of this is Winnie

512
00:33:03,040 --> 00:33:09,120
Speaker 1: the Pooh, Blood and Honey, which has a sequel that

513
00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:14,560
Speaker 1: I hear is kind of deep. Okay, I've seen it,

514
00:33:15,240 --> 00:33:18,320
Speaker 1: but I wasn't really paying attention. There was like genetic

515
00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:26,680
Speaker 1: interesting stuff going on, okay, and more recently also Screamboat

516
00:33:27,040 --> 00:33:30,080
Speaker 1: and the Mouse chap about Steamboat Willie. Those are not

517
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Speaker 1: part of the pooniverse, which is also, by the way,

518
00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:39,200
Speaker 1: called the Twisted Childhood Universe or the TCU. Okay, okay,

519
00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:43,200
Speaker 1: But after the success of those Winn of the Pooh movies,

520
00:33:43,760 --> 00:33:47,800
Speaker 1: the creators announced a slate of in Universe films, Peter

521
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Speaker 1: Pan's never Land Nightmare, Pinocchio Unstrung, and Bamby the Reckoning

522
00:33:56,760 --> 00:34:07,920
Speaker 1: coming together with Pooniverse Monsters Assemble. Yes. Bamby the Reckoning

523
00:34:08,080 --> 00:34:11,640
Speaker 1: follows a mother and son trying to survive a mutated

524
00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:12,839
Speaker 1: car crash deer.

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00:34:13,680 --> 00:34:13,839
Speaker 2: Oh.

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00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:20,439
Speaker 1: I've seen some images and it looks maybe I can't

527
00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:24,400
Speaker 1: describe it, one of the filmmakers said of it, it

528
00:34:24,560 --> 00:34:28,080
Speaker 1: is quote an incredibly dark retelling of the nineteen twenty

529
00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:31,680
Speaker 1: eighth story we all know and love, finding inspiration from

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00:34:31,719 --> 00:34:35,760
Speaker 1: the design used and Netflix is the ritual. Bamby will

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Speaker 1: be a vicious killing machine that lurks in the wilderness.

532
00:34:42,480 --> 00:34:47,440
Speaker 1: So wow, your fear of deer, your dear fear.

533
00:34:48,680 --> 00:34:49,120
Speaker 2: M hmm.

534
00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:54,360
Speaker 1: Yeah. To be clear, this horror adaptation follows. This horror

535
00:34:54,440 --> 00:34:58,280
Speaker 1: adaptation follows the book, which is now in the public domain,

536
00:34:58,360 --> 00:34:59,280
Speaker 1: not the Disney film.

537
00:34:59,640 --> 00:35:04,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, because public domain is tricksie like that, and it

538
00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:07,960
Speaker 2: lasts for ninety six years on a lot of media

539
00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:14,560
Speaker 2: thanks to companies like Disney, perhaps primarily Disney. Love I

540
00:35:14,719 --> 00:35:19,360
Speaker 2: love the finding inspiration from the ritual because the ritual,

541
00:35:19,480 --> 00:35:22,040
Speaker 2: if you guys are unfamiliar with. The film is a

542
00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:24,800
Speaker 2: film that I do recommend, although I am biased because

543
00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:30,560
Speaker 2: I happen to be acquaintances with the with the director,

544
00:35:30,680 --> 00:35:36,400
Speaker 2: Dave Bruckner, who's a great human person and much much nicer.

545
00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:38,200
Speaker 2: If you've seen a lot of his movies, you might

546
00:35:38,239 --> 00:35:40,120
Speaker 2: assume he's a big weirdo, and he is, but in

547
00:35:40,200 --> 00:35:44,240
Speaker 2: a fun way, you know. But highly recommend the Ritual.

548
00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:45,960
Speaker 2: Really like that film.

549
00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:50,440
Speaker 1: So yeah, well, foovers, thank.

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Speaker 2: You Annie for introducing me to something new.

551
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Speaker 1: Well, it's funny because while you and I and Andrew

552
00:35:59,520 --> 00:36:04,000
Speaker 1: were in law sphase, I brought this up casually, assuming

553
00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:11,799
Speaker 1: everyone would know what I was talking about, which it's

554
00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:14,360
Speaker 1: fair that you did not. I.

555
00:36:17,640 --> 00:36:22,960
Speaker 2: Yes, yes. In these are modern times of Internet, it

556
00:36:23,120 --> 00:36:27,000
Speaker 2: is easy to believe that the niche things that you

557
00:36:27,120 --> 00:36:32,200
Speaker 2: have stumbled across are a lot more widespread, yeah, than

558
00:36:32,239 --> 00:36:38,960
Speaker 2: they actually are. And I believe the puniverse is one

559
00:36:39,080 --> 00:36:39,960
Speaker 2: of those things.

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00:36:41,840 --> 00:36:46,799
Speaker 1: Well, fair enough, fair enough, I would like to leave

561
00:36:46,840 --> 00:36:50,080
Speaker 1: you with one of the puns Oh four weeks ago,

562
00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:57,440
Speaker 1: please phrase okay. So from the second Blood and Honey,

563
00:36:58,080 --> 00:37:03,800
Speaker 1: they introduced two new characters, Tigger and Owl.

564
00:37:04,040 --> 00:37:06,759
Speaker 2: Oh right, because Tigger is now I think Tigger only

565
00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:09,800
Speaker 2: only more recently. He didn't show up until like a

566
00:37:09,880 --> 00:37:14,080
Speaker 2: slightly later book, and so he only like this year

567
00:37:14,239 --> 00:37:16,240
Speaker 2: or maybe last year, came into public domain.

568
00:37:16,600 --> 00:37:22,880
Speaker 1: Please go ahead. Well, so they release character posters for them. Again,

569
00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:25,719
Speaker 1: I'm not recommending anyone watch these movies. I think this

570
00:37:25,840 --> 00:37:30,359
Speaker 1: is enough for you. But I'll do both of them.

571
00:37:30,719 --> 00:37:35,359
Speaker 1: So Tiggers is the cat is out of the bag

572
00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:46,680
Speaker 1: and Owl's is guess ooos joining the fun. But they're

573
00:37:46,719 --> 00:37:52,880
Speaker 1: really menacing images anyway. I know it's not food related,

574
00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:55,320
Speaker 1: but you know, we love horror and it is October,

575
00:37:55,480 --> 00:37:58,160
Speaker 1: so please thank you for indulging me.

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00:37:58,480 --> 00:38:02,440
Speaker 2: I they they are relatively menacing.

577
00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:06,759
Speaker 1: Relatively yes, yeah, that's fair.

578
00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:14,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel at the very least slightly menaced. I

579
00:38:14,560 --> 00:38:14,719
Speaker 2: like that.

580
00:38:14,920 --> 00:38:15,800
Speaker 1: Slightly menaced.

581
00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:17,040
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, that's.

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00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:21,360
Speaker 1: That's good enough. Like I said, they're not They're not

583
00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:25,960
Speaker 1: that great. I don't recommend it, but yeah no, unless

584
00:38:26,080 --> 00:38:31,680
Speaker 1: you're looking for a wild night, I won't tell you

585
00:38:31,880 --> 00:38:32,120
Speaker 1: not to.

586
00:38:33,920 --> 00:38:35,160
Speaker 2: Any way anyway.

587
00:38:36,360 --> 00:38:41,520
Speaker 1: Uh okay, So, going back to a point we made

588
00:38:41,840 --> 00:38:46,919
Speaker 1: at the top, in recent years, deer meat has really

589
00:38:47,040 --> 00:38:50,280
Speaker 1: started to occupy a sort of strange space in American cuisine.

590
00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:54,480
Speaker 1: It is either expensive on menus at upscale restaurants as

591
00:38:54,520 --> 00:38:57,600
Speaker 1: part of the whole head to tail movement, or you

592
00:38:57,719 --> 00:39:02,520
Speaker 1: just can't get it anywhere else, or it's freely donated

593
00:39:02,560 --> 00:39:08,680
Speaker 1: by hunters because they can't officially sell the meat since

594
00:39:08,719 --> 00:39:10,560
Speaker 1: it's not inspected for safety.

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00:39:10,960 --> 00:39:14,320
Speaker 2: Yeah yea yeah, and so they just have like fifty

596
00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:18,040
Speaker 2: pounds of it and they're like, here, take some, please

597
00:39:18,120 --> 00:39:20,920
Speaker 2: take some. I've filled all my freezers, please take some.

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00:39:23,719 --> 00:39:26,719
Speaker 1: Sod. It exists at two ends of the spectrum. It's

599
00:39:26,800 --> 00:39:31,400
Speaker 1: really interesting of some people being like, oh, I can

600
00:39:31,520 --> 00:39:34,080
Speaker 1: get that for free anywhere, and some people being like,

601
00:39:34,160 --> 00:39:35,360
Speaker 1: I have to pay so much to.

602
00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:44,360
Speaker 2: Entry. Yeah, sure, sure, Yeah. Well I'm glad that we

603
00:39:44,440 --> 00:39:46,960
Speaker 2: brought it back to Venison at the end.

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00:39:47,160 --> 00:39:50,080
Speaker 1: Here did I went?

605
00:39:50,160 --> 00:39:53,560
Speaker 2: We did go a little off the rails, Yeah, in

606
00:39:53,640 --> 00:39:58,840
Speaker 2: a fun way, I hope, So, I hope. So. I

607
00:39:59,000 --> 00:39:59,760
Speaker 2: have had.

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Speaker 1: A lot of really good most of the things I've

609
00:40:03,160 --> 00:40:08,600
Speaker 1: had with venison or stews are but they're really good,

610
00:40:08,719 --> 00:40:10,279
Speaker 1: and I have a craving for them now, and I

611
00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:12,600
Speaker 1: know I can't I can't get there.

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00:40:12,800 --> 00:40:15,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm just gonna have to because I don't. Yeah,

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00:40:16,360 --> 00:40:20,280
Speaker 2: I'm gonna have to look out for it on restaurant

614
00:40:20,360 --> 00:40:23,080
Speaker 2: menus or maybe maybe some of the like specialty butcher

615
00:40:23,160 --> 00:40:24,000
Speaker 2: shops around town.

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Speaker 1: I don't know, yeah, yeah, but we would love to

617
00:40:29,840 --> 00:40:35,800
Speaker 1: hear from you listeners. What if you have experience cooking

618
00:40:35,840 --> 00:40:42,560
Speaker 1: with venison, either hunting it, making it, or on a

619
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Speaker 1: menu somewhere. Absolutely, we'd love to hear from you.

620
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Speaker 2: If you have opinions about the Punaverse.

621
00:40:48,440 --> 00:40:52,160
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, if you have opinions of the puniverse,

622
00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:57,680
Speaker 1: please let me know. I have to say, okay, well

623
00:40:59,239 --> 00:41:04,040
Speaker 1: about the Poona. I have kind of a not a

624
00:41:04,520 --> 00:41:09,080
Speaker 1: not the easiest relationship with my older brother. He was

625
00:41:09,440 --> 00:41:11,800
Speaker 1: essentially throwing me in olive branch and was like, what

626
00:41:11,920 --> 00:41:15,000
Speaker 1: can we talk about? And we talked about through a

627
00:41:15,320 --> 00:41:20,560
Speaker 1: Verse and he laughed so hard at its great. So

628
00:41:21,640 --> 00:41:24,040
Speaker 1: you know it gave me that, It gave me.

629
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Speaker 2: It brings people together.

630
00:41:27,320 --> 00:41:28,440
Speaker 1: While shredding them.

631
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Speaker 2: Apon on film, perfect beautiful, love it. Yes, well, yes, okay,

632
00:41:37,120 --> 00:41:40,600
Speaker 2: So if you have anything to share with us, please

633
00:41:40,719 --> 00:41:43,200
Speaker 2: do And in the meanwhile, that is all we have

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00:41:43,320 --> 00:41:45,239
Speaker 2: to say about White Tailed Deer for now, but we

635
00:41:45,400 --> 00:41:48,080
Speaker 2: do already have some listener mail for you, and we

636
00:41:48,160 --> 00:41:49,520
Speaker 2: are going to get into that as soon as we

637
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Speaker 2: get back from one more quick break forward from our sponsors,

638
00:42:02,440 --> 00:42:05,600
Speaker 2: and we're back. Thank you, Spencer, Yes, thank you, And

639
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Speaker 2: we're back with.

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Speaker 1: The snooth.

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00:42:14,160 --> 00:42:15,560
Speaker 2: Bounding away, bounding.

642
00:42:15,880 --> 00:42:18,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, how they bound away? Yeah, there is a scene.

643
00:42:19,960 --> 00:42:22,800
Speaker 1: Funnily enough, we talked about it in our Rabbit episode

644
00:42:23,480 --> 00:42:26,279
Speaker 1: in the Last of Us game, where you're hunting a

645
00:42:26,360 --> 00:42:28,840
Speaker 1: deer and it is a bounder.

646
00:42:30,280 --> 00:42:34,360
Speaker 2: Yeah. I will say, like, not all of my encounters

647
00:42:34,480 --> 00:42:38,080
Speaker 2: with the local deer are terrifying at all. Like like,

648
00:42:38,560 --> 00:42:41,839
Speaker 2: like like over the summer, like there was some young

649
00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:44,239
Speaker 2: deer that were kind of frolicking, maybe like a year

650
00:42:44,320 --> 00:42:48,000
Speaker 2: old I would guess, frolicking out back and uh and

651
00:42:48,080 --> 00:42:51,759
Speaker 2: it was like any other group of young mammals, you know,

652
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Speaker 2: Like one of them was just like going in these

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Speaker 2: completely wild circles, just racing, just absolutely racing. Nobody but

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Speaker 2: itself and all of its siblings were like, come on,

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Speaker 2: come on, Ralph, what are you doing, man, We're trying

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Speaker 2: to eat this grass.

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Speaker 1: Embarrassing. Yeah, I'm glad not all of your deer encounters

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Speaker 1: are full of horror.

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Speaker 2: No, no, no, no no. For the most part, they're lovely.

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Speaker 2: I'm glad to have them, you know.

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Speaker 1: Yes, yes, most of my experience with them in my

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Speaker 1: yard growing up was very They were cute, yeah, dear, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: but yeah it's just our our horror movies and our

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Speaker 1: when you are when you're close to one and you

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Speaker 1: see how big they are, Yeah.

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Speaker 2: It's like I should be elsewhere.

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Speaker 1: I'll step back. Yeah all right, m okay, Ashley wrote,

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Speaker 1: I just wanted to let y'all know that you inspired

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Speaker 1: quite a detour on my husband and my current anniversary trip.

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Speaker 1: We are in Switzerland and already fully planned on going

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Speaker 1: to Griere, but a week before we left, we happened

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Speaker 1: to listen to the Chartreuse episode and started to look

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Speaker 1: into just how much of a detour it might be

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Speaker 1: just under three hours. We had a car and no

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Speaker 1: set plans, so we went for it. The town of

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Speaker 1: Voyron is very charming with a painted church. We toured,

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Speaker 1: and while no distilling takes place at this location anymore

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Speaker 1: due to regulations surrounding fire safety, the tour was super

679
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Speaker 1: interesting and informative, and all of the videos showing monks

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Speaker 1: working the large metal stills in a very modern setting

681
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Speaker 1: was a super unique juxtaposition. The cocktails in the bar

682
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Speaker 1: there were quite tasty. As well. No photos were allowed

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Speaker 1: on the tour, but the longest underground Cellar did seem

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Speaker 1: to live up to its name, also attaching photos from

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Speaker 1: the tour in Griere, it lived up to all my

686
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Speaker 1: cheesy dreams.

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Speaker 2: What oh wow, that is also cool.

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Speaker 1: That's awesome, that's so cool. Thank you for taking I mean,

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Speaker 1: thank you for writing to us about this tour that

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Speaker 1: you took. Yes, because we were curious about Oh my goodness,

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Speaker 1: Truth distillery.

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Speaker 2: It did look really cool and I'm so glad that

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Speaker 2: it actually was really cool. I'm glad that your email

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Speaker 2: wasn't like, yeah, thanks a lot for talking about.

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Speaker 1: A Yeah, me too. That wasn't a concern I had,

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Speaker 1: But I'm relieved now I really know that sounds awesome.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, congratulations on your anniversary. And oh, cheesy dreams.

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Speaker 2: Cheesy dreams are the best dreams.

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Speaker 1: Yes, career, mmmmmmm.

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Speaker 2: Another big sigh for a thing that I'm not consuming

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Speaker 2: at this very moment.

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Speaker 1: Yes, yes, yes.

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Speaker 2: Christine wrote updating us about Australia and coffee creamer. Okay,

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Speaker 2: within days of the coffee creamer episode, I found some

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Speaker 2: in my local supermarket. It's probably been in other supermarkets,

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Speaker 2: but I wasn't looking for it. I meant to send

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Speaker 2: you the photo, but forgot about that. However, earlier this

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Speaker 2: week I was required to submit the tenth photo in

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Speaker 2: my gallery to the council of Katto's for judgment, and

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Speaker 2: it happened to be the photo I had to submit.

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00:46:31,000 --> 00:46:34,360
Speaker 2: This particular council consists of three chonky cats wearing presumably

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00:46:34,480 --> 00:46:37,759
Speaker 2: cleaned instant noodle cup hats. They managed to look simultaneously

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00:46:37,920 --> 00:46:43,440
Speaker 2: inscrutably wise, utterly adorable, and really ridiculous. Still, I think

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Speaker 2: the photo describes another reason creamer isn't found much in Australia.

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Speaker 2: Who's going to pay thirteen bucks for something that's probably

716
00:46:50,239 --> 00:46:52,440
Speaker 2: going to go bad before you finish it when you

717
00:46:52,520 --> 00:46:55,200
Speaker 2: can get a more versatile carton of milk that's cheaper,

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Speaker 2: healthier and tastier. Still, for anyone in Australia who desperately

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Speaker 2: wants creamer, they need to look for a large supermarket

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Speaker 2: near an industrial park with multinational corporations and internationally renowned

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Speaker 2: medical research facility, or a large university. I happened to

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Speaker 2: be near all three, and except that there might not

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Speaker 2: be a large selection of flavors.

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Speaker 1: I love this continued research Christine.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, thank you, And I hope that the Council

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Speaker 2: of Kados. I hope that their judgment was fair and balanced.

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Speaker 1: Indeed, indeed, I can tell that the hats in part

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Speaker 1: of wisdom. Oh oh yes, we must accept their judgment.

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Speaker 2: Sure, Oh yeah, I don't know. I don't know coffee creamer,

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Speaker 2: I still don't know about it.

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Speaker 1: But here we are, yep, same, but we.

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Speaker 2: Are entering a really good We are in the midst

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Speaker 2: of a really good season for it. If you're into it,

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Speaker 2: I am positive that you have had a oh it's

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Speaker 2: back moment at some point in the last few weeks

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Speaker 2: or will sometime the next few weeks, depending on what

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Speaker 2: your exact flavor of being excited about coffee creamer is.

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Speaker 1: Yes, I mean yeah, there's a lot. There are a

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Speaker 1: lot of flavors that's exciting. Oh yeah, I get it.

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Speaker 1: I support it. Oh yeah, hello, absolutely, go get it,

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Speaker 1: go get it. Well. Thank you to both of those

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Speaker 1: listeners for writing to us. If you would like to

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Speaker 1: write to us, you can Our email is Hello at

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Speaker 1: sabrepod dot com.

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Speaker 2: We're also on social media. You can find us on Twitter, Facebook,

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Speaker 2: and Instagram at saber pod and we do hope to

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Speaker 2: hear from you. Save is production of iHeartRadio. For more

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Speaker 2: Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.

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Speaker 2: Thanks as always to super producers Dylan Fagan and Andrew Howard.

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Speaker 2: Thanks to you for listening, and we hope that lots

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Speaker 2: of more good things are coming your way