Speaker 1: First of all, you don't know me. We all about
Speaker 1: that high school drama, Girl drama girl, all about them
Speaker 1: high school queens forever. We'll take you for a ride
Speaker 1: at our comic girl cheering for the drama Queens girl Fashion,
Speaker 1: but your tough girl, you could sit with us, Girl Drama,
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Speaker 1: Oh you guys, Okay, how many of us are feeling
Speaker 1: big feelings right now? So many big feelings. This one
Speaker 1: was a sneak attack. It felt like it made me
Speaker 1: weepy at multiple points. But god, at the end there
Speaker 1: I just started. So it's like, oh no, it's all
Speaker 1: coming out. Yeah. When wit Berry was talking to Nathan
Speaker 1: at the cemetery, is that what go? Oh my god,
Speaker 1: We'll get there. Yeah. Just thinking about killer, what a killer?
Speaker 1: Oh so beautiful? All right, kids, we're back with episode
Speaker 1: four twenties, Season four, episode twenty, The Birth and Death
Speaker 1: of Day. It originally aired June sixth, two thousand and seven,
Speaker 1: as graduation day Dawn's in Tree Hill. Some dreams begin
Speaker 1: as others end. Hayley prepares for her graduation speech and
Speaker 1: her role as a young mother, all Nathan prepares for
Speaker 1: life without basketball, Brook makes a heartfelt confession that puts
Speaker 1: her future in jeopardy. Lucas confronts Dan as Karen's life
Speaker 1: is threatened. Peyton is awesome. Dev is awesome. None of
Speaker 1: this is in a synopsis, but it feels important. Mouth
Speaker 1: is awesome, Antoine is awesome, and so is Bevin And
Speaker 1: let's go. Everyone is an Do you guys like that
Speaker 1: the only people on the Wall of honor were our friends?
Speaker 1: Like no other kid accomplished anything in Tree Hill High School.
Speaker 1: I noticed that I love that it was a purple again,
Speaker 1: always purple, and it was made out of those little
Speaker 1: cardboard letters that preschool teachers use on their walls. Yeah,
Speaker 1: arts and crafts. It is so weird, though, You're right
Speaker 1: that there wasn't like somebody who excelled at Spanish who
Speaker 1: we didn't know, but just another member of the senior class.
Speaker 1: Yeah where the science fair kids? Man, exactly, someone did
Speaker 1: some incredible engineering project, just the just the main characters
Speaker 1: of the TV show. They were so rushed. It's the
Speaker 1: end of the season. The art Department's like, I am
Speaker 1: not going to come up with six extra personalities to
Speaker 1: honor on this wall not happening. Did you guys have
Speaker 1: like walls of honor in your high school sidebar? But
Speaker 1: remember we used to shoot at Lanyard all the time
Speaker 1: and they had that whole case. It was all Michael Jordan,
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, everything. Yeah, here's a piss me off. We
Speaker 1: had the like the trophy case and the wall of
Speaker 1: honor at my high school and it was only sports.
Speaker 1: And then I would go back to our total rival
Speaker 1: high school where Patton Oswald went, and he had a
Speaker 1: whole like fucking shrine for theater, and I was like,
Speaker 1: why don't we have a figure shrine at our school?
Speaker 1: And so he and I arrivals, and I just feel like,
Speaker 1: I feel like he got a little bit more respect.
Speaker 1: A broad run, yeah that I got a park view. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean going to an all girls school, we had everything,
Speaker 1: like people's art projects would get featured on certain ends
Speaker 1: of the hallway. They'd do exhibitions of like the photography
Speaker 1: class and there'd be photos from theater stuff and from
Speaker 1: like I don't know, girls volleyball and whatever. But we
Speaker 1: had we had boards all down the hallways, so there
Speaker 1: wasn't just like one zone. There wasn't one construction paperboard.
Speaker 1: There wasn't one sad little wall with four little photos.
Speaker 1: I can't remember. That makes me want to go back
Speaker 1: to my high school and walk around, and I know
Speaker 1: the art room had a bit, we had art in
Speaker 1: the basement, and that there was always cool stuff on
Speaker 1: display there because there's just so much space, but I
Speaker 1: don't know. There definitely was a sports, a heavy sports
Speaker 1: bent at my school too, so I don't really remember
Speaker 1: anything else. Graduation ceremony is a big deal. I mean
Speaker 1: that the lead up to that is there's a lot
Speaker 1: going on in this episode. It's like you have all
Speaker 1: this trauma happening, but then this very normal American rite
Speaker 1: of passage also happening, and so the extreme versus the
Speaker 1: mundane is definitely on display here. I really liked, actually,
Speaker 1: to your point, how they highlighted that in that montage
Speaker 1: series they did of everybody getting ready, and you see
Speaker 1: Brooke and Chase just playing trying on their graduation gowns
Speaker 1: and caps, and it's so sweet and childish, and it's
Speaker 1: juxtaposed with Peyton and Lucas in the hospital and Nathan's
Speaker 1: at the factory, and you realize that there's just all
Speaker 1: this sort of disparate experience happening. I thought that was
Speaker 1: really a good choice. I think that's kind of what
Speaker 1: high school feels like. You know, everybody at school is
Speaker 1: its own little community, and that when we're all experiencing
Speaker 1: the drama between each other. But then everybody goes home
Speaker 1: and they have their whole home life and all this
Speaker 1: stuff that so many people in class don't know about.
Speaker 1: So it felt very still, very connected to real life
Speaker 1: high school way to that experience of all the drama
Speaker 1: that is behind the scenes that nobody knows about. Yeah,
Speaker 1: well it starts off with the batch stuff. I mean
Speaker 1: we had forgotten Lucas shot it Dan, Yeah, how do
Speaker 1: we miss that? Also, when I just love when a
Speaker 1: high school kid is like a sharpshooter. He's like a
Speaker 1: shot right next to your face. Next time, I won't
Speaker 1: miss I was just like, this is so funny. It
Speaker 1: was a warning shot. Yeah it was. It was kind
Speaker 1: of like it was really intense. I didn't expect Karen
Speaker 1: to be in a comma the whole episode. That surprised
Speaker 1: me either, But I did really like seeing Lucas and
Speaker 1: Debb together because I don't actually know if they've ever
Speaker 1: had a scene together. Remember he caught her with the
Speaker 1: pills in the kitchen and she was really threatening with
Speaker 1: him back then. So I love the arc of their relationship.
Speaker 1: I love that she's mothering him in place of his mother.
Speaker 1: M Yeah, that's good. And I like that she's ferocious
Speaker 1: about it. The way that Barbara can infuse something serious
Speaker 1: with really great comedy and ride the line of both
Speaker 1: things I think is so cool. And when she walks
Speaker 1: into the room and is super sweet with the two
Speaker 1: of you, Hilary and sent you away, and then she
Speaker 1: just slaps the hit him. Man, Wow, that was brutal,
Speaker 1: but it was so it felt so real and like
Speaker 1: she couldn't contain the emotion and she was so upset
Speaker 1: and it shocked me and it made me laugh, and
Speaker 1: it was it was just like a perfectly played moment
Speaker 1: of intensity. And I really liked that dynamic between them.
Speaker 1: I like that he that she calls him out and
Speaker 1: that he admits it to her and then confides in
Speaker 1: her and she's the first person to believe him. That
Speaker 1: was special. I like that she cops to her crazy
Speaker 1: you know. And Principal Turner also hits this point when
Speaker 1: he and broke her together, and he says, I know
Speaker 1: I must seem ancient to you. I loved that. It
Speaker 1: was so true. I'm sure Deb is feeling the same thing,
Speaker 1: Like you must think I'm an idiot. You must think
Speaker 1: I'm so old that I don't know what you're thinking.
Speaker 1: And you know, when we were the kids on the show,
Speaker 1: I say that in quotes, we did look at the
Speaker 1: people who are older than us. Is kind of separate
Speaker 1: in a way. Yeah, And now that we're their age,
Speaker 1: it's like, no, I'm hipped to what all you little
Speaker 1: dumb dumbs are doing. Yeah. Well, the funny thing is
Speaker 1: when you're young, you look at the generation above you
Speaker 1: and you think, man, they're old and they're probably missing it.
Speaker 1: And then you get into the generation above the young people,
Speaker 1: and you're like, I know everything you're doing and everything
Speaker 1: you're gonna do for the next twenty years. You ding dung.
Speaker 1: I'm so much smarter than you, So come on, like,
Speaker 1: let me mentor you let me help you. And I
Speaker 1: like that. In her way, Deb goes from being a
Speaker 1: parent who's afraid and angry to being a mentor, to
Speaker 1: being the person he can confide in and the person
Speaker 1: who gives him advice and the person who offers to
Speaker 1: protect him in that moment. It was a really cool
Speaker 1: arc for her in this episode alone. It's so true.
Speaker 1: It wasn't until my late thirties that I really started
Speaker 1: realizing exactly what you were just saying, Sophia, that the
Speaker 1: older generation isn't out of it there, they just are
Speaker 1: so far advanced beyond and that you still feel like
Speaker 1: you're young. No matter how old you get, you still
Speaker 1: there are still days when you feel like I still
Speaker 1: feel like I'm eighteen, like I'm twenty. And I remember
Speaker 1: my parents used to say that when they were in
Speaker 1: their thirties and forties, and I was like, oh, whatever,
Speaker 1: and I don't get it. But in high school I
Speaker 1: definitely definitely felt like us against them. I left that
Speaker 1: he said that, and it really resonated. It just reminded
Speaker 1: me how I'm looking at my daughter now. And Hill,
Speaker 1: I'm sure you look at your kids and remember the
Speaker 1: way that you looked at people your age when you
Speaker 1: were young, right, didn't. I thought thirty was so old,
Speaker 1: but so not. My best friend Nick came to visit,
Speaker 1: and he was just hanging out with Gus and like
Speaker 1: being around some of Gus's friends and just hearing some
Speaker 1: stories about school, and we were talking about how some
Speaker 1: of the other kids at school, the teachers, and this
Speaker 1: sense of like kids being or adults being bullied by children,
Speaker 1: or adults being put in their place by children. He
Speaker 1: was like, God, I just never even thought about it
Speaker 1: because I always thought teachers were so secure and solid,
Speaker 1: or just adults in general were so secure and solid.
Speaker 1: But we really are on the same emotional wavelength as
Speaker 1: like a teenager. We're yeah, there's a there's an equality
Speaker 1: there that's so depressing. Once you realize that secret, you're like,
Speaker 1: oh no, I'm never gonna advance, I'm always gonna feel
Speaker 1: this way. Well, it's like when you realize that being
Speaker 1: bullied always stings. Do you want sorry? I guess the
Speaker 1: puppy Okay, you can have it back? Like, why is
Speaker 1: he pawn at my feet? It is really weird, you know,
Speaker 1: I can't believe you just said that, because it reminds me.
Speaker 1: I was talking to a friend of mine about this
Speaker 1: on Sunday night, and we were talking about how weird
Speaker 1: the Internet is because you think everyone's having the same
Speaker 1: conversation and then you realize people really aren't and I
Speaker 1: remember years ago there was like a group of kids
Speaker 1: that were clearly fans of our show who, like my
Speaker 1: Twitter just kept blowing up. They were doing what looked
Speaker 1: like it was like they were having a whole conversation
Speaker 1: with each other. It was all in dialogue from our show,
Speaker 1: and I just thought it was so funny, and it
Speaker 1: just so happened that I was like, that's cool. Sitting
Speaker 1: in the makeup chair at work, and my Twitter just
Speaker 1: kept like every ten seconds, I had like fifty six notifications,
Speaker 1: and so I started to read it and I was laughing,
Speaker 1: and I was like, they keep tagging me and all
Speaker 1: these things, like they're tagging a bunch of us, they
Speaker 1: want us to participate. I just happened to have my
Speaker 1: phone in my hand, so I responded with something and
Speaker 1: everybody laughed and it was funny. And then somebody said,
Speaker 1: like one of your lines Hillary from like when we
Speaker 1: were fighting on the show. It was just something like sassy,
Speaker 1: you know, And so I hit back with the like
Speaker 1: season seven Brooke, Julie and Alex of it all, and
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, does Brook Davis have to slap
Speaker 1: a bit? Like thinking so funny because it because it
Speaker 1: was you know something about hitting, and these kids went
Speaker 1: ballistic and We're like, oh my god, I can't believe
Speaker 1: you would say that to me. You're an adult. How embarrassing.
Speaker 1: And then it turned into like eevil hag and I
Speaker 1: was like, oh, I guess you guys haven't actually seen
Speaker 1: the whole show. I thought we were playing a game.
Speaker 1: This was sharades. I was like, I'm so and I
Speaker 1: literally was like, so, you're not on season seven yet?
Speaker 1: And then it turned into this like hole. It was
Speaker 1: so weird, and I was like, I think I need
Speaker 1: to leave the internet. How do I get out of it?
Speaker 1: Nothing is what you think it is anywhere? And I'm
Speaker 1: a grown up and I'm very uncomfortable, and I think
Speaker 1: these kids are fifteen ye And I'm just gonna exit
Speaker 1: stage left. You wanted all the attention. This has gotten weird.
Speaker 1: We can't tangle a teenagers, man, you can't do it.
Speaker 1: I was like, I'm twice your age and I'm uncomfortable.
Speaker 1: I don't know what's going on here, but I'm going
Speaker 1: have a good time. There's some money for snacks, kids. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I was like, enjoy. Let me know when you get
Speaker 1: let me know when you get a couple of seasons advanced. No.
Speaker 1: I mean, look, there's a there's a generational divide in
Speaker 1: this episode, for sure, and it's weird for us to
Speaker 1: watch it at this phase in our life because now
Speaker 1: we're on the other side of it. I oh, man,
Speaker 1: I feel like Whitey's the only true adult, do you
Speaker 1: know what I mean? Yeah, for sure, but maybe he's
Speaker 1: also not. I thought Karen was too, but then we
Speaker 1: saw this side of her that was of the vulnerability
Speaker 1: of needing, like the way she was getting sucked back
Speaker 1: into things with Dan. It's like that part of her
Speaker 1: that hadn't still healed from high school was like she
Speaker 1: was it was an open wound. Yeah. But yeah, Whitey
Speaker 1: seems to be the one who's always got everything under control.
Speaker 1: I wonder if Whitey's just so far past so much
Speaker 1: of his life experience, so far past his trauma, his wounds,
Speaker 1: but they don't affect him in the same way because
Speaker 1: it is wild right at our age, which Karen is
Speaker 1: in the show, when something hits you and you go, oh,
Speaker 1: that happened to me twenty years ago, and it still
Speaker 1: hurts when somebody puts pushes a finger in that bruise. Yeah. Wow,
Speaker 1: like it can be shocking as an adult to realize
Speaker 1: you carry trauma around with you from the past. And
Speaker 1: I just like, do you think when you get to
Speaker 1: be our parents' age, you know, like my parents are
Speaker 1: in their seventies. Do you think when you get to
Speaker 1: be that old, you're just like A and I did
Speaker 1: it all. I'm good, I'm done. No, it's healed. Give
Speaker 1: me a cocktail. No, maybe it's just whitey. Then you
Speaker 1: get worse, Yeah, because it's harder to change. The older
Speaker 1: you get, the harder it is to change. You got
Speaker 1: no time. Well, old people who don't deal with their trauma,
Speaker 1: like old people who don't go to therapy are mean. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they're mean. It's true. Q are better help add go right?
Speaker 1: You know who else is an adult though? In this
Speaker 1: episode is skills his dad. YEA love him. I loved him.
Speaker 1: I don't know who this actor is, but he was
Speaker 1: so great. Why it wasn't he on the show more?
Speaker 1: He was so natural. I wish we'd gotten more of him,
Speaker 1: I know. And he was just so in control and
Speaker 1: sensible and like the kind of guy you He was
Speaker 1: another whitey type where you would just want to go
Speaker 1: sit down and have a chat with him and feel
Speaker 1: like he would be embracing and give you wisdom. Oh,
Speaker 1: I needed more of Skills his dad. But I loved
Speaker 1: seeing Skills in Bevin in this episode because we needed
Speaker 1: the levity. So that was really fun. We needed the levity.
Speaker 1: And what was nice because our show was so often
Speaker 1: so milk toast and was really afraid to talk about actual,
Speaker 1: you know, dynamics in a place like North Carolina. I
Speaker 1: appreciated that even though we gave it a very leave
Speaker 1: it to beaver ending, we acknowledged the fact that Antine
Speaker 1: that Skills had a different experience. We acknowledged the fact
Speaker 1: that it can be volatile, you know in a small
Speaker 1: town in the South, when like a white cheerleader starts
Speaker 1: dating a black athlete, like it was important to not
Speaker 1: keep ignoring it. Yeah, it would have been nice if
Speaker 1: they had if they had gone into it a little
Speaker 1: bit more though, it would have been cool, be cool
Speaker 1: like season arc. Actually, it would have been a cool
Speaker 1: arc rather than a we know, we haven't done this,
Speaker 1: and it's pretty weird that we haven't, So we're gonna
Speaker 1: bomp it in this episode and wrap it up by
Speaker 1: the end. You know, that's something that's so typical and
Speaker 1: unfortunate about I think big network shows as they try
Speaker 1: to like slide things in in small doses. But I
Speaker 1: was glad to see it. And to your point, it
Speaker 1: was really fun knowing Antoine and Bevin as well as
Speaker 1: we do, to watch them play a dynamic together and
Speaker 1: figure out how to put both heart and humor into it.
Speaker 1: Like I liked watching them play those scenes because they
Speaker 1: did things with them that you know, weren't on the page.
Speaker 1: Even the fact that when Bevin even brought it up
Speaker 1: or the skills bring it up on the basketball court
Speaker 1: the very first time it was introduced in the episode,
Speaker 1: and Bevin the way it was written, I was just
Speaker 1: listening to the words, going, this could have been really milked.
Speaker 1: It could have been like a meaningful, deep conversation that
Speaker 1: was like kind of scary, and I love that Bevin
Speaker 1: just she just buzzed right through it. It was like
Speaker 1: all up here on this high level of like yeah,
Speaker 1: well all right, it's gonna be fine. And if not,
Speaker 1: then they're not the parents that raised them to be.
Speaker 1: That was my favorite line. It was great me too,
Speaker 1: that if not, then they're not the parents I raised
Speaker 1: them to be. I was like that golden, golden And
Speaker 1: by the way, from this vantage point, doesn't that hit
Speaker 1: differently because you go, yeah, yep, when you go through
Speaker 1: life with your parents, you kind of have to be
Speaker 1: their parents too. Yep. Yeah, I mean even they're just
Speaker 1: textbooks were so different when they were in high school
Speaker 1: than they were when we were in high school, and
Speaker 1: even more so now. You know, like there is a
Speaker 1: re education process, and so as a as a parent,
Speaker 1: I always want to know more from my kids, you know, like,
Speaker 1: what are you hearing that I heard differently in the nineties,
Speaker 1: eight billion years ago? You know. That's one of my
Speaker 1: favorite things about being a parent. Yeah, it's just learning,
Speaker 1: learning things through their eyes and through as we discover
Speaker 1: new information and as everything changes. Just being able to
Speaker 1: watch the world through her eyes and not be threatened
Speaker 1: by it. Right, it's so educational. I love it. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I do love that Skill's family made an appearance. I
Speaker 1: wish they would have made an appearance sooner. And I
Speaker 1: wish that they had been friends with Karen, Like if
Speaker 1: these little boys grew up together, I'm friends with all
Speaker 1: of US's friends parents. You know. Yeah, that's a no brainer.
Speaker 1: That's like she should have been sitting in Karen's living
Speaker 1: rooms from episode two and like a regular face that
Speaker 1: we saw all the time. Yes, can you imagine what
Speaker 1: Antoine's mom's commentary on like the deb and Dan of
Speaker 1: it all would have been? Magic? Magic? Yeah? Where was
Speaker 1: she when Karen started day? Dan like we needed Skills
Speaker 1: as mom's voice, especially because Skills his mom could have
Speaker 1: been like, you're going to go on a date with
Speaker 1: that man who and fill in the blank of some
Speaker 1: high school experience, some terrible thing Dan did, Like she
Speaker 1: could have given us all the backstory of them and
Speaker 1: then we waved to your point. Had these experiences, I
Speaker 1: would have loved to have seen family dinners at Karen's
Speaker 1: with Lucas and Skills and Skills as parents and like
Speaker 1: some of the other boys from the team. That would
Speaker 1: have been so special. Having like just sat through rec
Speaker 1: league basketball, which I don't want to brag, but Gus
Speaker 1: Morgan's team totally won the championship last week, you guys, hey,
Speaker 1: And just so you know, it felt just like a
Speaker 1: Raven's basketball game. I was so back in it, just
Speaker 1: like it's like any but you sit there with the
Speaker 1: other parents and whether that's the only time you see them,
Speaker 1: or you talk to each other all the time, like
Speaker 1: there's a bond there unless you're the most anti social,
Speaker 1: awful person on the planet. And Karen's not that person.
Speaker 1: So no, she would have definitely been friends with all
Speaker 1: these other sports parents. Yeah, yeah, it's it's a shame. Well,
Speaker 1: I'm just going to rewrite it in my mind. So
Speaker 1: that's how I watched the show from now on when
Speaker 1: I think back, Yeah on it. Well, okay, let's talk
Speaker 1: about Nathan, because what's interesting is this role reversal of
Speaker 1: Nathan now working in a factory. I mean, I don't
Speaker 1: know the Luca's ever worked in a factory, but a
Speaker 1: blue collar job. And I loved seeing a young man
Speaker 1: who has is dealing with difficult circumstances make tough choices
Speaker 1: for his family and from a hopeful place. He wasn't
Speaker 1: being a victim, he wasn't like suffering through it. It
Speaker 1: was I'm just I'm going to do the right thing
Speaker 1: and things are going to work out and I'll figure
Speaker 1: it out. And he had such a good attitude about it,
Speaker 1: and it really went along with Hailey's speech about the
Speaker 1: world doesn't owe you anything. I loved that because it's
Speaker 1: I think I personally think that's so true, and I
Speaker 1: think we really got to see the mirror of that
Speaker 1: with how Nathan was approaching walking into this new job. Well,
Speaker 1: for Nathan, I wonder how much of it is he
Speaker 1: grew up with the money, he grew up with the
Speaker 1: big house, he grew up with the camps and the
Speaker 1: privilege and all of that, and so the loss of
Speaker 1: that doesn't mean anything because it didn't It didn't solve
Speaker 1: the problems, you know, And so being with Haley and
Speaker 1: having a strong family unit solves the problems. That's the
Speaker 1: that's the thing to guard. That's good. Yeah, And I
Speaker 1: think it's really interesting too. What what's sort of arresting
Speaker 1: about it when you when you watch that scene between
Speaker 1: Nathan and Skills on the river court, and Skills of course,
Speaker 1: assumes Nathan's talking about did you get me a spot
Speaker 1: on your team? And then Nathan reveals no, I'm asking
Speaker 1: I can take the job. And the shock because Skills is,
Speaker 1: as the story goes, you work hard, you move forward,
Speaker 1: maybe you get a scholarship, you know, you succeed upward.
Speaker 1: And the question being asked is is Nathan now beginning
Speaker 1: to fall? This boy has fallen off his pedestal. He's
Speaker 1: not going to the best basketball school in the world
Speaker 1: on a free ride scholarship anymore. And it's it's something
Speaker 1: I found really refreshing about seeing these kids talk about
Speaker 1: how hard it is to afford college, how hard it
Speaker 1: is to figure out your finances. You know, Nathan saying
Speaker 1: to Haley, we can't afford to both go to college,
Speaker 1: so I'll get a job. That's most people's reality. You know.
Speaker 1: They say that the average person in America is a
Speaker 1: four hundred dollars emergency away from bankruptcy. So how do
Speaker 1: you figure out those student loans? How do you figure
Speaker 1: out that that future for yourself? And I thought it
Speaker 1: was really refreshing for the first time that I can
Speaker 1: remember anyway on TV seeing a kid who, to your point,
Speaker 1: had it all, all the money, all the camps, all
Speaker 1: the everything was always covered for him, every opportunity. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and now he doesn't have anything, and he's got to
Speaker 1: figure it out, and the thing he prioritizes is his family.
Speaker 1: It really begs the question, which ties back to what
Speaker 1: you just said, Hillary, what is success? What does success
Speaker 1: really mean? Because everybody has this idea in high school
Speaker 1: of what they're supposed to become and how it's supposed
Speaker 1: to all. And we saw that when Haley was practicing
Speaker 1: her speech and turned around and saw Nathan covered in
Speaker 1: Greece and sweat, and you know, it's like, oh, it's
Speaker 1: not Maybe it's not all about like my dreams and
Speaker 1: being everything I want to be, Like what does success
Speaker 1: actually look like? I love trade school, man. I have
Speaker 1: so many kids that come and ask me about like
Speaker 1: college and what do I do if I want to
Speaker 1: do this? And if I want to be in film,
Speaker 1: what's the trajectory? I love trade school. We need electricians
Speaker 1: in film. We need plumbers, we need carpenters, we need
Speaker 1: all of these specialized skills. To me, they're everybody as
Speaker 1: important as surgeons, you know. And our country doesn't necessarily
Speaker 1: treat four year or six year graduates the same way
Speaker 1: they treat tradespeople. But I have pushed back against this
Speaker 1: any opportunity I get because I love a trade school.
Speaker 1: We have a program. I mean, we had a program
Speaker 1: in high school when I was growing up that was
Speaker 1: called votech Vocational Technology. And here we've got boss in
Speaker 1: New York. Man, get out there and learn a skill
Speaker 1: and like, yes, work a job that facilitates a life
Speaker 1: that you love. Yes, that's it. There's a big votech
Speaker 1: near where my husband grew up in Oklahoma, and it's
Speaker 1: an incredible school. Yeah. And like now, even the sort
Speaker 1: of electrical trajectory like the track if you want to
Speaker 1: go become like an electrician at that school is running
Speaker 1: all the way up to being able to build wind
Speaker 1: turbines for clean internets. It's incredible. And let me tell
Speaker 1: you something. When I'm at home trying not to electrocute
Speaker 1: myself watching YouTube videos to learn how to install a
Speaker 1: dimmer because like I just want the lights to not
Speaker 1: be so bright at night, I'm thinking I really wish
Speaker 1: I'd taken some more practical ship in college because I
Speaker 1: don't know how to do anything, and I'm learning it
Speaker 1: all from the internet. Yes, because if you think about
Speaker 1: how much money now as as grown ups and homeowners
Speaker 1: we spend on having people come over, you probably save
Speaker 1: your weight intuition if you just went to school after
Speaker 1: you know, once you get out and you go have
Speaker 1: a life, you save all that money because you know
Speaker 1: how to do it yourself. It's incredible. And by the way,
Speaker 1: you know, to your point joy, you've ever done any
Speaker 1: work on your home or you've lived in your home
Speaker 1: when your parents have done work on your home. I'm like, man,
Speaker 1: it would be so cool to make a great salary
Speaker 1: as like a contractor or a builder, and you know
Speaker 1: you get to kind of set your own projects. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's your own stuff. I'm like, what's that kind of empowerment?
Speaker 1: Look like you gotta sit around and you know, make
Speaker 1: tapes and wait for people to give us jobs. And
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, yeah, I just want to learn how
Speaker 1: to tile my own bathroom. That is all I want
Speaker 1: to do. And it's it's awesome that there are careers
Speaker 1: where you're not just sitting in an office. Yeah. I frankly,
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna say it. I'm pissed that Nathan doesn't
Speaker 1: stay in the factory because when he came home all
Speaker 1: covered in Greece and sinewy and muscly and dirty, Damn
Speaker 1: wasn't that sexy? Y'all? I wouldn't have minded a couple
Speaker 1: seasons of Nathan just being muscly and lifting up heavy.
Speaker 1: By the way, I love that the writers were like,
Speaker 1: isn't this sad? And the three of us were like, no,
Speaker 1: that's hot. So hot. It was adult too. You know,
Speaker 1: there's um like, I like that Nathan has this dream
Speaker 1: of playing basketball, but it does have a Peter Pan
Speaker 1: quality to it of not quite wanting to grow up,
Speaker 1: and you know that is part of graduation. There are
Speaker 1: kids that go right into growing up stuff if they're
Speaker 1: not already doing it, and then there are the kids
Speaker 1: who have the privilege of continuing to be teenagers for
Speaker 1: another two, four or six years. Yeah. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I'm a dropout. I got what I needed out of
Speaker 1: my first two years of school. I had a good
Speaker 1: paying job. I was producing TV cool. And so when
Speaker 1: my kid, I mean, my son is already stressing out
Speaker 1: about college, and I'm just like, I think I'm doing
Speaker 1: the reverse psychology thing where I'm like, are you sure
Speaker 1: you want to go that route? Are you sure you
Speaker 1: don't want to just start paying when you're eighteen work
Speaker 1: your way up that way? Because I think so much
Speaker 1: pressures put on these kids, like you have to have
Speaker 1: to go yeah, well, and so much pressures put on
Speaker 1: kids now to be good at everything they're supposed to have,
Speaker 1: like a sport, a musician something you know, like a
Speaker 1: musical instrument and an extracurricular and a debate team and
Speaker 1: a charity thing. Yeah. Yeah, like one thing. You're supposed
Speaker 1: to try out all the things and figure out what
Speaker 1: you like and then go do that thing. You know,
Speaker 1: I thought I was going to be a heart surgeon.
Speaker 1: I had an arts requirement. I did a play, but
Speaker 1: you sort of for I sort of was eventually I
Speaker 1: played one on TV, but like event you know, I had.
Speaker 1: I had an arts requirement for a semester. I thought,
Speaker 1: I'll go do this one play and it'll be fun.
Speaker 1: And it changed the course of my life. I figured
Speaker 1: out what I liked better. I love to tell stories.
Speaker 1: I love to to be in community, and it shifted
Speaker 1: for me. You're a different kind of heart doctor. That's okay,
Speaker 1: we're empathy surgeon. Oh all right, hey, you said it,
Speaker 1: all right, doctor doctor Davis. You said it in the episode.
Speaker 1: You were like, why is every pregnancy on this show
Speaker 1: like so threatening? Why is every woman almost dying when
Speaker 1: she has a baby on our show? It's really weird.
Speaker 1: It's like an easy tar get for vulnerability. Maybe, yes,
Speaker 1: it is a really delicate time, and it is. It
Speaker 1: can be very scary. You know, anything can go wrong,
Speaker 1: But I don't know. It feels like every chick who
Speaker 1: gets pregnant has to be in peril so that a
Speaker 1: boy can come in and save her. How my pregnancies
Speaker 1: have we had on the show, though, Well, we know
Speaker 1: that we've got We've got Karen, we know we have
Speaker 1: Peyton is going to almost die? Yeah, Brooke, do you
Speaker 1: almost die? Yeah? Okay, oh so every time? Yeah? So
Speaker 1: in the trajectory of the future, this is what happens,
Speaker 1: and you got hit by a car while you were pregnant, right, yeah,
Speaker 1: we forgot about that one. It's really weird. I don't know, guys,
Speaker 1: I feel like we can do better. I wish we'd
Speaker 1: known ahead of watching the episode today that Moira was
Speaker 1: going to be in a coma as Karen the whole time,
Speaker 1: because I would have loved to just grab her for
Speaker 1: five minutes and be like, is that fun for you
Speaker 1: or boring? Did you get to actually nap or was
Speaker 1: it annoying to have to come in and get into makeup?
Speaker 1: To just get into bed with your eyes closed? I
Speaker 1: have questions. Well, it's fun, it's fun to come in
Speaker 1: and get you. I had to be in a coma.
Speaker 1: You just good to get your makeup on and lay down.
Speaker 1: It seems like Karen's in a coma for like a while, right,
Speaker 1: Oh is she she? I mean he brings her in.
Speaker 1: Oh in the episode yeah, oh days, yes, yes, yeah,
Speaker 1: because the graduation and there was a track we even
Speaker 1: tracked something all of us. At the beginning of the episode, Lucas, Peyton,
Speaker 1: and Deb are all in their clothes from the day
Speaker 1: that Karen was brought in. Well know, I changed my shirt.
Speaker 1: Oh oh you change Sorry, that's what it was. A
Speaker 1: weird clothing jump. Yeah, it's Lucas and Deb who are
Speaker 1: still in their clothes from the day before, the day
Speaker 1: Karen comes to the hospital. But you guys have changed, Joy,
Speaker 1: you and James have changed. You're now in that like
Speaker 1: red and white tank top moment. So they were trying
Speaker 1: to show that it's overnights from the very beginning of
Speaker 1: the episode. From from early scenes. Yeah, oh and I
Speaker 1: got a tan overnight too, girl, it worked. Where'd you
Speaker 1: go for the weekend? Joy? Guys? Was this the time?
Speaker 1: Do you remember? Was it Rachel Kick who set up
Speaker 1: the spray tan shower the trailer? Yeah, and she had
Speaker 1: like did she do our air brushing or hired somebody,
Speaker 1: But I think that was my first like air brushed
Speaker 1: tan that I had gotten in the Yeah, so you
Speaker 1: don't remember that, Sophia. Rachel Kick was so fun. Tell
Speaker 1: everybody who Rachel Kick was. She was our makeup artist.
Speaker 1: She was great. I did love Rachel. She was our
Speaker 1: makeup artist for a long time. But she came in.
Speaker 1: She came in and set up this like shower. I
Speaker 1: think it was also a year. Maybe we got a
Speaker 1: bigger hair and makeup trailer. But she set up all
Speaker 1: of these curtains, the plastic curtains all over the walls,
Speaker 1: on the floor, and then she just would go in
Speaker 1: there in our uh you know, pasties and an underwear
Speaker 1: and they would just spray tan. Us. You don't, just Sophia,
Speaker 1: you don't remember this, not really. I didn't spray tan.
Speaker 1: I don't know if I did either. I'm pretty pale.
Speaker 1: I don't like being in my underwear in front of
Speaker 1: anyone ever either. I'm such a prude. Maybe it was
Speaker 1: just me and Bevin. I don't know. You guys were
Speaker 1: tan and glowing and all beautiful and stuff. Because I
Speaker 1: remember season four there was a person who shall remain nameless,
Speaker 1: a producer Who'd come out from La Who in the
Speaker 1: in a way that made me feel so uncomfortable. It
Speaker 1: was like, look at your skin, It's like milk. Thank you.
Speaker 1: So I remember that I was so that I was
Speaker 1: so pale in season four that people were telling me
Speaker 1: I looked like a dairy product. So I don't think
Speaker 1: I was getting a spray tan. Look at you, You're
Speaker 1: like goat cheese. Yeah. Wow, you're like a little Kim
Speaker 1: and Bear there ammon milk. So creepy. Rachel kick was fun.
Speaker 1: She was so cool. Yeah, she was spicy. Man. No,
Speaker 1: I love the tan tanning spray. It was fun. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you had a lot going on that was really good.
Speaker 1: You had like a really good Pam Anderson messy bun
Speaker 1: in this episode. Yeah. I love that messy bun and
Speaker 1: the graduation hair, the big curls I love so much.
Speaker 1: Did you have input in this graduation speech? I think
Speaker 1: I did. Actually, I remember as I was watching it
Speaker 1: back it felt like something I had tweaked. I don't
Speaker 1: remember specifically, but I do. It did feel like I
Speaker 1: really liked it a lot, probably because I put my
Speaker 1: beIN on It's better now. It was so great, guy,
Speaker 1: let me read it you know what, fast forward to
Speaker 1: whatever season Brooke gets married in. I've said it publicly before.
Speaker 1: It's the same shit about her wedding balls. I'm like,
Speaker 1: you want to know why they were so good? I
Speaker 1: wrote them. There's a point like, by now in season four,
Speaker 1: we know our characters so well and the point you're making, like,
Speaker 1: really think about it. They even did the flashback in
Speaker 1: this episode to that scene with you and Lucas and
Speaker 1: Karen in season one with Julius Caesar. Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 1: All of this has been Haley's journey. Who knows that
Speaker 1: better than you? Yeah? Well, I mean I think all
Speaker 1: the Julius Caesar stuff was for sure, they're from the
Speaker 1: writer's room. I didn't like completely rewrite the speech, but
Speaker 1: I did feel, at least toward the end of it
Speaker 1: that I had kind of like maybe the world doesn't
Speaker 1: owe us anything. I wonder if I put that in
Speaker 1: or maybe it was already written and I I really
Speaker 1: don't know. Sorry, I don't can't remember. I know they
Speaker 1: did the arc of the Caesar stuff, But I just
Speaker 1: mean for you that this journey and the points you're
Speaker 1: making like it's it's it's your four year arc is
Speaker 1: wrapped up in that speech. So I don't know. Maybe
Speaker 1: maybe it's just knowing what's gone into it. I can
Speaker 1: see it when you're giving it from that stage. It's
Speaker 1: really special. It's fun. I remember that episode. It was
Speaker 1: weird to be in a graduation gown and cap. Again,
Speaker 1: we didn't have a cap and gown at my high school.
Speaker 1: What you didn't know? You we we graduated in in dresses,
Speaker 1: like in gowns, like full dresses. It was tradition. Please
Speaker 1: tell me it was like a ballgown. It everyone wears
Speaker 1: a white dress, like because our the formal uniform at
Speaker 1: my high school is a white uniform like a Sue
Speaker 1: Mills uniform with a green w on the pocket. And
Speaker 1: so the thing was like on every really formal day
Speaker 1: at school, everyone wears their white uniform since like I
Speaker 1: don't in nineteen ten or something, and so you would
Speaker 1: graduate in a white dress. And I mean, I guess
Speaker 1: you could wear a gown if you wanted to. But
Speaker 1: some people's fine like cocktail dresses. Some like this cool
Speaker 1: girl that I knew who was a year younger than me, Whinnie,
Speaker 1: always wore a suit and she wore a white suit.
Speaker 1: Like it was always a vibe and and now I
Speaker 1: was actually so silly, but I was on a zoom
Speaker 1: with my with the head of my school. That's not silly,
Speaker 1: that's cool. It's so cuty. And she was like, well,
Speaker 1: we've transitioned to cap and gowns. And I was like,
Speaker 1: I only ever got one on TV, So it's so funny.
Speaker 1: That's today. Joy, What do you remember from your graduation?
Speaker 1: I had just gotten a tattoo and I had to
Speaker 1: cover it and had my foot was wrapped in saran
Speaker 1: wrapped to keep the tattoo clean or whatever. And I
Speaker 1: remember I remember my parents had just gotten divorced like
Speaker 1: two years prior, and both of them maybe had just
Speaker 1: gotten remarried like six months before my graduation or something
Speaker 1: like that. So I remember there being some weird, a
Speaker 1: little weird tension, but mostly I remember standing up there
Speaker 1: and it was I was always still focused on this
Speaker 1: boy that I loved, and you know, it's so you're
Speaker 1: going to sign my yearbook and then like so there
Speaker 1: was a boy that I loved, and there were a
Speaker 1: couple others that I just had crushes on, like in
Speaker 1: case the backup plan didn't work, you know, And I
Speaker 1: just remember all the yearbook signing and running around, and
Speaker 1: I think there was a sense of emptiness but also excitement.
Speaker 1: It was, you know, sad and like I was happy
Speaker 1: to be leaving, but also it felt a little unfulfilling.
Speaker 1: I kind of in the same way that like a
Speaker 1: wedding or prom does, where it's such a big build
Speaker 1: up and then it happens and you're like, oh, okay,
Speaker 1: I don't know what about you guys, you have specific memories. Well,
Speaker 1: our graduation was covered by the local cable access network,
Speaker 1: like remember like a channel three was always like the
Speaker 1: local cable access channel, and they had a camera set
Speaker 1: up at the end of the aisle where you process
Speaker 1: in and then you process out. So you processed in
Speaker 1: passing the camera, you went and you sat in a
Speaker 1: little folding chairs. You did graduation, and then you process out.
Speaker 1: And I this is a dumb thing to say, but
Speaker 1: I had been homecoming Queen and the boy who was
Speaker 1: homecoming king also had the last name with a bee
Speaker 1: It was Matt Brownlee. And we didn't necessarily like each other.
Speaker 1: We weren't pals. And as we're processing out, you know,
Speaker 1: I'm like feeling com emotional, and he processes out from
Speaker 1: the boy's side, and I process out from the girl's side,
Speaker 1: and we happened to meet up and he's like, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna stop you and I'm gonna kiss you right in
Speaker 1: front of that camera. And I was like, you know what, okay,
Speaker 1: and so on cable access, he like dips me and
Speaker 1: kisses me and stops the procession, and you just hear
Speaker 1: all the parents up in the stands like what are
Speaker 1: you doing? Did all the kids hipp in holler? Oh? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Everyone was like macap you know, It's like, it's funny.
Speaker 1: It was funny, fun It was funny, and it was
Speaker 1: like it's nice to be in a moment and know
Speaker 1: it's a moment and be like this is gonna be
Speaker 1: something I laugh at later. But yeah, Matt Brown and
Speaker 1: I totally made out on Kimble Access. It was well,
Speaker 1: that's so fun. Yeah, I've never spoken to him again.
Speaker 1: I'm glad Brooke got to graduate. I thought that was
Speaker 1: really I was wondering how they were going to handle that,
Speaker 1: because I really, I mean, I knew I knew you did.
Speaker 1: I felt like I remembered that you did graduate, but
Speaker 1: I wasn't sure how they're going to handle it, and I.
Speaker 1: I liked it. I was happy that, you know, you
Speaker 1: went and made a case for yourself. And he was like,
Speaker 1: all right, you're not going to like be a bridge builder, right,
Speaker 1: go go graduate, You're not going to study engineering. No.
Speaker 1: I loved that, and I loved that it was really
Speaker 1: for her to make it right, for her to be
Speaker 1: able to respect herself, yeah, and to be willing to
Speaker 1: take the consequences, but still to say, I've done all
Speaker 1: this really good stuff and I think I've grown a lot,
Speaker 1: and you know, please don't, please don't ruin my life,
Speaker 1: but if you have to, it was funny because please
Speaker 1: don't ruin my life, just please over in my life.
Speaker 1: I remembered that full scene with Principal Turner and how
Speaker 1: it felt and what it felt like to figure out
Speaker 1: how to play all of those lines because on paper
Speaker 1: they're a little ridiculous, yea. And we had this very
Speaker 1: sort of human experience as people to our earlier points,
Speaker 1: sort of seeing across the divide at each other. I
Speaker 1: fully forgot COLLETTI ran into that scene. I was so
Speaker 1: surprised when we ran up in the hall. We were
Speaker 1: all surprised. It was so cute. Yeah, it was so sweet.
Speaker 1: I will say I was really relieved because you know,
Speaker 1: you never know what you remember what you don't. When
Speaker 1: we walked out, I was like, why isn't Brooke asking
Speaker 1: if Rachel can graduate, why isn't she doing that? I
Speaker 1: was really bothered all episode trying to figure out is
Speaker 1: she going to call her? Are they going to get
Speaker 1: her to come back? Like how does it happen because
Speaker 1: she's at the party. And then to realize that Turner
Speaker 1: did it, I was like, Oh, that's a nice that's
Speaker 1: a nice moment that they gave to him to allow
Speaker 1: him to for that kindness was I thought, very sweet.
Speaker 1: Last hurrah for Principal Turner, who I don't know if
Speaker 1: we ever see again. Oh he's so good though, you know,
Speaker 1: Like my two favorite scenes in this episode are the
Speaker 1: scene with broken Principal Turner and Nathan and Whitey. And
Speaker 1: I think that's because I have a really soft spot
Speaker 1: for teachers. They have stepped into my life when I
Speaker 1: needed guidance outside of my home, and even as an adult,
Speaker 1: there's still my parental figures. You know. My teachers come
Speaker 1: and visit me and stay in my house, and I
Speaker 1: love that they can be something other than just you
Speaker 1: know who they are in the history classroom or the
Speaker 1: science classroom. Principal Turners looking at the trajectory of Brooke
Speaker 1: Davis's life and making the decision, I'm not going to
Speaker 1: traumatize this kid. He probably knows that your parents aren't
Speaker 1: around like teachers know everything. Yeah, he knows what your
Speaker 1: variables are. And I love that he made a a
Speaker 1: decision that would lift you up instead of taking you
Speaker 1: down a notch. And that's what good teachers do. They
Speaker 1: read the circumstances that Well said, that's so true. Well,
Speaker 1: the Whitey Nathan scene, y'all want to talk about some
Speaker 1: blubbery women. Oh, blubbering for sure, sobbing. And he gives
Speaker 1: Hailey credit for it. He gives you credit for it.
Speaker 1: I thought he was going to retire. I thought he
Speaker 1: was done. Yeah, just the way he comes through And
Speaker 1: did he do it just for Nathan. Yeah, Nathan just
Speaker 1: looked his father in the eye and said, you will
Speaker 1: never know my son. Nathan just cut off the limb
Speaker 1: that is his parent, which is the hardest thing for
Speaker 1: a kid to do. And Whitey a short time later
Speaker 1: steps right into the role. He is the father that
Speaker 1: Nathan needed. Yes, because Nathan's about to be a far
Speaker 1: he needs someone to show him how to do it.
Speaker 1: He didn't have Uncle Keith to show him the way
Speaker 1: Lucas did. So now Nathan's got no father figure, nobody
Speaker 1: to walk him through how to handle a baby or
Speaker 1: a toddler or raise a young man. And yes, Whitey's
Speaker 1: stepping right into that role. That is community at its finest.
Speaker 1: And Nathan has twice the wound because think about it,
Speaker 1: he emancipated himself to get away from his toxic father
Speaker 1: and then as he saw his father changing and becoming
Speaker 1: a kinder man and showing up for people and being
Speaker 1: more gentle and essentially, unbeknownst to Nathan, softening in the
Speaker 1: wake of the worst thing that Dan has ever done. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he welcomed his dad back and he said, I love you,
Speaker 1: I'm on your side. I know you couldn't have done this.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I'll fight for you. Just tell me you
Speaker 1: didn't do this. And Dan can't do it. And so Nathan,
Speaker 1: it's not even just that he walks away from his dad.
Speaker 1: He's walked away and then been willing to let him
Speaker 1: back in. That's sort of like God that that double
Speaker 1: injury and what I realized watching Whitey say it's not
Speaker 1: a great school and they haven't won anything, and there's
Speaker 1: there's this position Whitey is showing up for Nathan in
Speaker 1: his in his moment of emergency, in the way Dan
Speaker 1: did not, which led Nathan to take that money. Oh God,
Speaker 1: like white He's going backwards and healing past trauma for Nathan. Wow.
Speaker 1: And it's really beautiful. I think that's why we all
Speaker 1: wept because for years now we've wanted this boy to
Speaker 1: have a father who puts him first, and his father
Speaker 1: figure Coach, is the one that does it. And it's
Speaker 1: really beautiful. The conversation that Nathan has with Dan was
Speaker 1: kind of jarring for me to watch because I just
Speaker 1: spent the whole weekend doing some work on it couldn't
Speaker 1: happen here, the true crime show that I work on.
Speaker 1: And what we run into in that scenario is a
Speaker 1: lot of people who refuse to believe the facts and
Speaker 1: they say things like, no, that person could never do that,
Speaker 1: that person is not corrupt, but we have all the
Speaker 1: evidence that they are. And that duality where anybody can
Speaker 1: be a good guy or a bad guy in your life,
Speaker 1: and even if they're a bad guy in your life.
Speaker 1: Chances are they're also a really good guy in someone
Speaker 1: else's life. You know, Dan has been recently a good
Speaker 1: guy in Nathan's life, but a really, really bad guy
Speaker 1: in other people's lives, and it's so heartbreaking when you
Speaker 1: have to confront someone with that. I think James did
Speaker 1: such a good job because there's so much hope in
Speaker 1: his voice. He's just yelled at his mother in the hospital,
Speaker 1: and that was shot so cool because you hear the
Speaker 1: baby crying out. The babies are crying out saying like
Speaker 1: fix me, fix me, give me what I need, give
Speaker 1: me what I need, and no one's giving them what
Speaker 1: they need. As Nathan is visually tearing apart from his
Speaker 1: mother and he goes to his dad and he's crying out, like,
Speaker 1: just give me the reassurance I need. Thank god Dan
Speaker 1: doesn't lie right, Like, at least Dan's not doubling down. Yeah, yeah, finally,
Speaker 1: And Paul did all of this stuff in this episode
Speaker 1: so beautifully. When you watch Paul play vulnerability in his
Speaker 1: physically intimidating stature, his big, tall body, and we know
Speaker 1: how scary Dan can be. He has really frightened any
Speaker 1: viewer of this show multiple times. In the first scene
Speaker 1: with Lucas where he's begging him to say he's wrong,
Speaker 1: and Paul breaks eye contact with Chad, they're staring at
Speaker 1: each other, and I realized when it happened, I thought
Speaker 1: to myself, I don't think I've ever seen Dan Scott
Speaker 1: break got contact with anyone. And he can't hold Lucas's
Speaker 1: gaze and he looks down just below his eyes, and
Speaker 1: I went And then you get to this later scene
Speaker 1: with Nathan and he can't even look at him, and
Speaker 1: it's They're just really powerful choices by an actor. You know.
Speaker 1: He's always so specific about the choices that he makes.
Speaker 1: There's always a reason behind it, and I love that.
Speaker 1: I love this. I just love simple choices. Sometimes that
Speaker 1: happens to me a lot, Like I'll get on sets
Speaker 1: and I'll start where I'll start working on something and
Speaker 1: sometimes you just have to get the bad ideas out first,
Speaker 1: and so you know, it's like the big, over the
Speaker 1: top stuff comes out and you're like trying to feel
Speaker 1: it in your body and where do you feel it?
Speaker 1: And I remember doing that a lot in episodes with Paul.
Speaker 1: And he's so great as a director too, because he'll
Speaker 1: let you. He'll let you get it out, and then
Speaker 1: he'll come up and say, okay, so now stop acting
Speaker 1: and just all that stuff you just did. It's already
Speaker 1: in your body now, so just say the line and
Speaker 1: it works. It usually works. Yeah, I love a simple choice. Well,
Speaker 1: we see Lucas having all this like grown up conversation
Speaker 1: with Dan where he's being very firm. He's like, you
Speaker 1: will not be in my mother's life. This child will
Speaker 1: have me as an adult man in their life, the
Speaker 1: same way Keith raised me. You are unnecessary here. I
Speaker 1: mean that is an adult conversation. But then I loved
Speaker 1: the scene between Lucas and Haley where you give him
Speaker 1: the gift that his mom has had for him, the
Speaker 1: bound copy of his book, and he says, I just
Speaker 1: want her to be my mom again. And that sense,
Speaker 1: that's what graduation is. It's like this this cusp of
Speaker 1: adulthood and I just want to be the kid. I
Speaker 1: want to be reassured, I want to be cuddled. I
Speaker 1: still feel all of those feelings, like do you ever
Speaker 1: just have a day where you're like, I really need
Speaker 1: to be babied today. Yes, Lucas needed to be babied
Speaker 1: in that moment. I think that's what it is. I
Speaker 1: do that too. I do that to my husband Sometimes
Speaker 1: I'll walk up to him in the middle of the
Speaker 1: day and go, will you just hold me just for
Speaker 1: a minute? Like we're both working and we have stuff
Speaker 1: to do, but can we just take a break and
Speaker 1: we meet for a minute? So good? I love Maria
Speaker 1: will do that to me. Sometimes you'll see me in
Speaker 1: the house and be like, Mommy, do you need a hug?
Speaker 1: I do I need a hug? I was on eleven
Speaker 1: and Gus was just like, hey, hey, call me here,
Speaker 1: call me here. And You're like, no, you're not supposed
Speaker 1: to parent me. I'm the bear. I always foke guilty. Yes,
Speaker 1: but please don't let this out. Please no. I think
Speaker 1: that's such guys as a friend who watches you both parent,
Speaker 1: I think that that's such a beautiful sign that you're
Speaker 1: doing such a good job. You're raising emotionally intelligent kids
Speaker 1: who want to relate, who don't infantilize themselves around you.
Speaker 1: They trust you as their moms, but they also want
Speaker 1: to love and support you in the way you love
Speaker 1: and support them. Girl, when they're in therapy and like
Speaker 1: twenty I'm gold starring the both of you through the
Speaker 1: zoom screen. I think I had to take care of
Speaker 1: my mother. Okay, we have a listener question. All right,
Speaker 1: let's do it. It's from Sam. Sam says, you all
Speaker 1: started your acting careers when you were pretty young. Was
Speaker 1: there any high school or college event or experience that
Speaker 1: you regret missing? Oh that's a good question. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean I started doing professional stuff like sixth grade. I
Speaker 1: was doing professional theater and had an agent in seventh grade.
Speaker 1: And it came down to a pep rally when I
Speaker 1: was a freshman or saw more. I got bumped up
Speaker 1: to varsity and I also had this huge audition in
Speaker 1: New York City and they're like, if you go to
Speaker 1: that audition, you are destroying the pep rally for all
Speaker 1: these varsity girls and it might be their last pep rally.
Speaker 1: And don't you dare, Hillry Burton, don't you dare do that?
Speaker 1: And I had to make this decision to like either
Speaker 1: jump into one pool or the other pool, but you
Speaker 1: can't have your feet in both. And it was weird.
Speaker 1: I made it with such clarity. I was like, well,
Speaker 1: they're hiring old people to do high school shows anyway,
Speaker 1: I'm going to go to high school, and then when
Speaker 1: I do a high school show, I'll have lived it
Speaker 1: and I'll have all this ship to draw from. And
Speaker 1: sure enough, like one Tree Hill came around and I
Speaker 1: was like, oh my god, I manifested this. No. I
Speaker 1: like high schooled so hard because I knew that I'd
Speaker 1: had to give up something for it. And maybe that's
Speaker 1: why I was just like close close clothes. I wish
Speaker 1: I had done that's so cool. I never did a sport,
Speaker 1: and that's what I'm like, I really, especially as an
Speaker 1: only child, it would have been good for me. I
Speaker 1: really wish I had. I had played a sport, and
Speaker 1: I wanted to play soccer or even basketball, just something.
Speaker 1: And I could never commit to a team because there
Speaker 1: were always plays happening in auditions and I just never
Speaker 1: knew when something was going to come up. And yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, my parents gave me the option, but I
Speaker 1: kept choosing theater. And I kind of wish that they
Speaker 1: had said, this year, you're taking a year off. Just
Speaker 1: take a year off, play sports, learn how to you know,
Speaker 1: be on a team, and yeah, Joe, you should join
Speaker 1: like an adult kickball league or something like there's adult
Speaker 1: leagues where you could go and play. That's fun. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that would be a good idea. Thanks, I'll look into that. Actually,
Speaker 1: see what's going on around here. All the dads in
Speaker 1: my community play volleyball. It's kind of weird, but also
Speaker 1: I love it. Yeah, I've got friends in soccer leagues.
Speaker 1: It's really fun. Yeah, it's interesting because my school was
Speaker 1: so but all girls school is so specific and we
Speaker 1: had you know, theater was my thing there, and yeah
Speaker 1: there were sports, and there was great art, and there
Speaker 1: was so much to do there. But by nature, it
Speaker 1: was very insular and very academic, and I loved that.
Speaker 1: But I remember thinking, you know, watching all the things
Speaker 1: we watched growing up, that I didn't know what any
Speaker 1: of that was like. So I had thought I wanted
Speaker 1: to go to you know, like a small arts college,
Speaker 1: and then I thought, well, that's just more of the same.
Speaker 1: I gotta go have I gotta go do the movie thing,
Speaker 1: the thing I see on the screen. So I picked
Speaker 1: the biggest school with the biggest football team and the
Speaker 1: biggest Greek system in the b and it was kind
Speaker 1: of like just trying on a different uniform. I had
Speaker 1: done one thing and I wanted to try on another thing,
Speaker 1: and I think for a long time that's sort of
Speaker 1: what it felt like to me, was well, I'll try
Speaker 1: this on. I'll see what this feels like. You know.
Speaker 1: We went to do our show, and it was like,
Speaker 1: what's it like to be a you know, young kid
Speaker 1: on TV? And what It took me a while to
Speaker 1: figure out what I wanted versus what I wanted to
Speaker 1: just try to try on. You know, what was the
Speaker 1: ideal high school experience that you saw on TV. It
Speaker 1: just was like I didn't know what it was like
Speaker 1: to go to a big sporting match. I didn't know
Speaker 1: what it was like to have boys in my class.
Speaker 1: Joy and I are like, man, you missed out. You know.
Speaker 1: There was no big like homecoming weekend. We didn't have that,
Speaker 1: and I wanted to know what that was like, and
Speaker 1: so I went and tried it out. But you know,
Speaker 1: our job as actors is to adapt to the environments
Speaker 1: we're in. I've always been really good at doing whatever's
Speaker 1: going on around me, but it took me a while
Speaker 1: to figure out what I loved to do and what
Speaker 1: I wanted to do rather than what was just good
Speaker 1: to support the group. And now, the funny thing is
Speaker 1: there's not an experience. I'm not like, Man, I wish
Speaker 1: I could go to one more you know, USC football
Speaker 1: game or one more whatever. I'm like, Oh, I just
Speaker 1: wish I could go back and do one more year
Speaker 1: of indications with Professor Smith. I'm like, like, it's the classes.
Speaker 1: I wash, It's not the It's not the stuff or
Speaker 1: the clubs or the any of it. It's it's truly
Speaker 1: just the school. It's not the parties, Dude, I went
Speaker 1: to all of them. Of course, you said, it's the classes.
Speaker 1: It is how many parties have we gone to? And
Speaker 1: how much did the three of us bitch before we
Speaker 1: have to go to a party about what we're gonna
Speaker 1: wear and how we're gonna It's so stressful. Yeah, well,
Speaker 1: you know, when I think about adult life and how
Speaker 1: much we have to do and how many responsibilities we have,
Speaker 1: what I wouldn't give for the luxury of nothing to
Speaker 1: do but mister Apaul's history class. Oh, mister Apaul, nothing
Speaker 1: to do but get smarter. He looked like Indiana Jones.
Speaker 1: He wore the hat. Oh he talked about you know
Speaker 1: what I mean? Like it was a fun class, and
Speaker 1: I was just that would be nice, would be nice.
Speaker 1: I would love to just go take notes as my job.
Speaker 1: Look at this, I do it all day anyway, If
Speaker 1: that was it, I would love it. You know what
Speaker 1: I miss? I missed the smell of burning dust from
Speaker 1: the overhead projector remember and like you could see smell
Speaker 1: it crackle. Yeah, the first time they turned it on
Speaker 1: like two of class and there it is there it
Speaker 1: is an overhead projector god, oh, that's what I want
Speaker 1: for Christmas. I want an old, decommissioned high school overhead projector.
Speaker 1: Let's get on, Etsy, guys, let's go. Do we have
Speaker 1: an honorable mention as the question? I know the silicone babies.
Speaker 1: Tell them about the silicone babies. This is kind of
Speaker 1: a new thing, like it wasn't in the first few seasons.
Speaker 1: I just remember at some point they this, they brought this.
Speaker 1: It's a sill. It's a baby made out of silicone,
Speaker 1: so that it moves and kind of jiggles. Yeah, like
Speaker 1: when you're holding it, it kind of bounces instead of
Speaker 1: being a hard doll exactly. Yeah. But they were so creepy.
Speaker 1: It was so creepy, and that there was like ten
Speaker 1: thousand dollars. Yes, they were so expensive and they weighed
Speaker 1: like twelve pounds. So it was creepy because it looked
Speaker 1: really real and if you touched it, like it's little
Speaker 1: skin would smush, and it had real eyelashes and like
Speaker 1: rosy cheeks. But it was so heavy that it just
Speaker 1: kind of felt like you were carrying a dead thing.
Speaker 1: It had rosy cheeks if they decorated it. Otherwise it
Speaker 1: was just ashen. And it was this creepy, ashen looking
Speaker 1: weighted baby with like fuzz on its head. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: sometimes they would smother it in jam to make it
Speaker 1: look like, you know, the newborn. And the texture of it,
Speaker 1: the texture of it couldn't be like matt or shiny,
Speaker 1: and so it had like this gummy quality to it. Yes,
Speaker 1: everything would stick to it, lint and everything. Yeah, the
Speaker 1: more you used it, the more it got covered in
Speaker 1: just like fuzz from your clothes or from the blakes.
Speaker 1: Oh gross, so gross. And that's why that's all I
Speaker 1: could think of when you hillary you took the baby
Speaker 1: and sit down and this goes outside and you're just
Speaker 1: like looking lovingly at this baby's face in like wonder
Speaker 1: and amazement, and all I could think of was the
Speaker 1: nasty little That's what it was covered lint covered, silicone face,
Speaker 1: and your dead giveaway that it's the doll and not
Speaker 1: the baby because you can only have the baby on
Speaker 1: camera for like twenty whole minutes in a day. Is
Speaker 1: that you take it in that way where the whole
Speaker 1: time you turn it, you never turn its face toward
Speaker 1: the camera, and you're like, that's a doll. That's how
Speaker 1: you know it's a doll. Was a lot of acting
Speaker 1: going on around him. That feels like a dishonorable mention.
Speaker 1: So upset, I want to know what. We gotta have
Speaker 1: a happy one, you guys, what's an honorable mention in
Speaker 1: this episode? Is the skills Dad or Principal Turner or
Speaker 1: it's you know what it is. It's the trifecta of
Speaker 1: step in dads. It's Whitey Principal Turner and skills Dad,
Speaker 1: Chuck Taylor step in Dad's step in Dad. Oh, I
Speaker 1: love this instead of step Dad's step in dads. I
Speaker 1: feel like there's a whole organization about to happen. That's
Speaker 1: remember that thing a couple of years ago that there
Speaker 1: was um there was a school was it was it
Speaker 1: in southern California? I can't remember the story went viral
Speaker 1: about how they were doing a day at the school
Speaker 1: with dads. Breakfast with dads. Yeah, and so many kids
Speaker 1: either you know, grew up in single parent households or
Speaker 1: had dads who worked crazy hours and couldn't come. And
Speaker 1: all these dads in the community came to school and
Speaker 1: their shirts and ties and sat in. Oh that makes
Speaker 1: me solb Oh, my gosh. There's a guy. There's a
Speaker 1: guy on Instagram who does this. I gotta find his
Speaker 1: Have you seen it? This guy who loves It's like
Speaker 1: breakfast with dad and you just and he gives you
Speaker 1: advice while he eats. Yes, I love him. So sweet
Speaker 1: to find that tax stepin dads for the wind. Steppin
Speaker 1: Dad's good job. Yeah, let's spin a wheel before we
Speaker 1: prepare for the end of high school. I can't believe it, Guys,
Speaker 1: we've done all of I see. It's intense, really intense.
Speaker 1: All right, I'm most likely too, is most likely to
Speaker 1: get a speeding ticket? Me? Yeah, the girl who wasn't
Speaker 1: allowed to have a car on the show is absolutely
Speaker 1: m Yeah. I definitely have had my fair share of
Speaker 1: speeding tickets. Unfortunately, do you really? Yeah? I always get
Speaker 1: tickets for dump well, I'm I'm an excellent driver, and
Speaker 1: so I feel if I do, say somewhere, I was
Speaker 1: like I'd got up a New Jersey, I handle the
Speaker 1: Tri State area. I am. I'm like, I feel like
Speaker 1: I'm connected to the car. I could be like a
Speaker 1: race car driver. I feel really good. So when I'm
Speaker 1: behind a wheel, I don't hesitate. I'm not a drive
Speaker 1: with both feet. Sometimes I know how to stop and
Speaker 1: go how to I know how to you know, like
Speaker 1: come up fast on something, slowdown, move out of the
Speaker 1: way and again and navigate the whole thing. So sometimes
Speaker 1: if I got to get somewhere, I get a little
Speaker 1: too cocky. And yeah, I've been pulled over a couple
Speaker 1: of times. I mean it's one way to meet people.
Speaker 1: I think maybe it's because I've done a lot of
Speaker 1: that training. Like I've done some track stuff and some
Speaker 1: some stuff, you know, stunt training in cars and like
Speaker 1: high speed chase stuff fun that Now I'm like, oh,
Speaker 1: I know how complicated that is. And now I'm the
Speaker 1: woman in my neighborhood who screams at people to slow down.
Speaker 1: I'm like, where are you going? What's so important? What's
Speaker 1: so important you have to run over the neighbor's cat.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I have become that person who's just
Speaker 1: like I don't have anywhere to go. That's that important.
Speaker 1: I never thought that I would I would be that
Speaker 1: person because like my favorite thing to do is be like, no,
Speaker 1: I can do it. I can do all the stunts
Speaker 1: for this high speed chase. Watch, let's go get thee
Speaker 1: you know, get the crane car out, let's do it.
Speaker 1: And I don't know, man, I don't know if I
Speaker 1: burned it out, but I'm I have become a very chill,
Speaker 1: very mellow driver. You cannot go speedy through a neighbor.
Speaker 1: That's like a numb that's just a basic role. You're
Speaker 1: not supposed to do it. People used to go so
Speaker 1: fast in my neighborhood in California, and I had fantasies
Speaker 1: about sitting out on my patio and just sitting there
Speaker 1: with a big bucket of eggs and wait, just waiting
Speaker 1: for cars to start speeding through and just nail them.
Speaker 1: But never did it. But there's time. I don't know
Speaker 1: who on the show has meant what character? Yeah, which
Speaker 1: character do we think is a speed demon who's got
Speaker 1: some aggression? Deb? Probably deb Yeah, Yeah, yeah, because I'm
Speaker 1: trying to think if anyone else, like Nathan's not anymore,
Speaker 1: maybe season one he would what if Bevin? I feel
Speaker 1: like it's got to be a girl. It's just got
Speaker 1: to be someone that's like is convertible season less role?
Speaker 1: I know Bevan's a good one. Yeah, yeah, all right,
Speaker 1: Well not us. Don't speed kids, You've got plenty of time.
Speaker 1: But we're out of time. Wow, what do we got next?
Speaker 1: It's the all night graduation party. It is episode twenty one.
Speaker 1: All of a sudden, I miss everyone. This is gonna
Speaker 1: be Is this the Spice Girls dance episode that's coming up?
Speaker 1: We all look after graduation, I have the baby and
Speaker 1: we all go to the cabin. Is that it? Wait?
Speaker 1: I have a baby. I can't go to a cabin
Speaker 1: and dance after I have a baby. No, it's we've
Speaker 1: been to the cabin. We um, it's that like abandoned house.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, abandoned house. But do I do that after
Speaker 1: having a baby? Maybe it's Oh yeah, girl, you sure do. Wow,
Speaker 1: that's gonna be interesting to watch. Good luck everybody. Yeah,
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