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Speaker 1: that high school drama, Girl drama girl, all about them

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Speaker 1: high school queens forever. We'll take you for a ride

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Speaker 1: at our comic girl cheering for the drama Queens girl Fashion,

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Speaker 1: Oh you guys, Okay, how many of us are feeling

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Speaker 1: big feelings right now? So many big feelings. This one

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Speaker 1: Oh so beautiful? All right, kids, we're back with episode

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Speaker 1: four twenties, Season four, episode twenty, The Birth and Death

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Speaker 1: of Day. It originally aired June sixth, two thousand and seven,

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Speaker 1: as graduation day Dawn's in Tree Hill. Some dreams begin

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Speaker 1: as others end. Hayley prepares for her graduation speech and

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Speaker 1: her role as a young mother, all Nathan prepares for

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Speaker 1: life without basketball, Brook makes a heartfelt confession that puts

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Speaker 1: her future in jeopardy. Lucas confronts Dan as Karen's life

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Speaker 1: is threatened. Peyton is awesome. Dev is awesome. None of

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Speaker 1: this is in a synopsis, but it feels important. Mouth

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Speaker 1: is awesome, Antoine is awesome, and so is Bevin And

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Speaker 1: let's go. Everyone is an Do you guys like that

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Speaker 1: the only people on the Wall of honor were our friends?

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Speaker 1: Like no other kid accomplished anything in Tree Hill High School.

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Speaker 1: I noticed that I love that it was a purple again,

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Speaker 1: that there wasn't like somebody who excelled at Spanish who

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Speaker 1: Yeah where the science fair kids? Man, exactly, someone did

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Speaker 1: honor on this wall not happening. Did you guys have

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Speaker 1: like walls of honor in your high school sidebar? But

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Speaker 1: remember we used to shoot at Lanyard all the time

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Speaker 1: and they had that whole case. It was all Michael Jordan,

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Speaker 1: And then I would go back to our total rival

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Speaker 1: And so he and I arrivals, and I just feel like,

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Speaker 1: I mean going to an all girls school, we had everything,

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Speaker 1: what's the trajectory? I love trade school. We need electricians

428
00:23:01,600 --> 00:23:05,040
Speaker 1: in film. We need plumbers, we need carpenters, we need

429
00:23:05,880 --> 00:23:10,439
Speaker 1: all of these specialized skills. To me, they're everybody as

430
00:23:10,480 --> 00:23:14,960
Speaker 1: important as surgeons, you know. And our country doesn't necessarily

431
00:23:15,600 --> 00:23:20,000
Speaker 1: treat four year or six year graduates the same way

432
00:23:20,000 --> 00:23:24,639
Speaker 1: they treat tradespeople. But I have pushed back against this

433
00:23:24,920 --> 00:23:27,960
Speaker 1: any opportunity I get because I love a trade school.

434
00:23:28,320 --> 00:23:30,760
Speaker 1: We have a program. I mean, we had a program

435
00:23:30,760 --> 00:23:32,760
Speaker 1: in high school when I was growing up that was

436
00:23:32,800 --> 00:23:37,720
Speaker 1: called votech Vocational Technology. And here we've got boss in

437
00:23:37,800 --> 00:23:41,240
Speaker 1: New York. Man, get out there and learn a skill

438
00:23:41,560 --> 00:23:44,919
Speaker 1: and like, yes, work a job that facilitates a life

439
00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:48,120
Speaker 1: that you love. Yes, that's it. There's a big votech

440
00:23:48,240 --> 00:23:50,480
Speaker 1: near where my husband grew up in Oklahoma, and it's

441
00:23:50,480 --> 00:23:54,720
Speaker 1: an incredible school. Yeah. And like now, even the sort

442
00:23:54,760 --> 00:23:58,200
Speaker 1: of electrical trajectory like the track if you want to

443
00:23:58,200 --> 00:24:01,119
Speaker 1: go become like an electrician at that school is running

444
00:24:01,160 --> 00:24:03,119
Speaker 1: all the way up to being able to build wind

445
00:24:03,119 --> 00:24:07,679
Speaker 1: turbines for clean internets. It's incredible. And let me tell

446
00:24:07,720 --> 00:24:09,880
Speaker 1: you something. When I'm at home trying not to electrocute

447
00:24:09,920 --> 00:24:13,199
Speaker 1: myself watching YouTube videos to learn how to install a

448
00:24:13,280 --> 00:24:16,800
Speaker 1: dimmer because like I just want the lights to not

449
00:24:16,880 --> 00:24:19,440
Speaker 1: be so bright at night, I'm thinking I really wish

450
00:24:19,440 --> 00:24:22,960
Speaker 1: I'd taken some more practical ship in college because I

451
00:24:22,960 --> 00:24:25,199
Speaker 1: don't know how to do anything, and I'm learning it

452
00:24:25,280 --> 00:24:28,560
Speaker 1: all from the internet. Yes, because if you think about

453
00:24:28,600 --> 00:24:31,720
Speaker 1: how much money now as as grown ups and homeowners

454
00:24:31,760 --> 00:24:35,480
Speaker 1: we spend on having people come over, you probably save

455
00:24:35,600 --> 00:24:38,720
Speaker 1: your weight intuition if you just went to school after

456
00:24:38,880 --> 00:24:40,679
Speaker 1: you know, once you get out and you go have

457
00:24:40,760 --> 00:24:43,439
Speaker 1: a life, you save all that money because you know

458
00:24:43,440 --> 00:24:46,040
Speaker 1: how to do it yourself. It's incredible. And by the way,

459
00:24:46,640 --> 00:24:48,600
Speaker 1: you know, to your point joy, you've ever done any

460
00:24:48,640 --> 00:24:51,480
Speaker 1: work on your home or you've lived in your home

461
00:24:51,480 --> 00:24:54,120
Speaker 1: when your parents have done work on your home. I'm like, man,

462
00:24:54,720 --> 00:24:57,640
Speaker 1: it would be so cool to make a great salary

463
00:24:57,680 --> 00:25:01,240
Speaker 1: as like a contractor or a builder, and you know

464
00:25:01,720 --> 00:25:04,080
Speaker 1: you get to kind of set your own projects. Yeah,

465
00:25:04,080 --> 00:25:06,760
Speaker 1: it's your own stuff. I'm like, what's that kind of empowerment?

466
00:25:06,800 --> 00:25:09,800
Speaker 1: Look like you gotta sit around and you know, make

467
00:25:09,880 --> 00:25:11,800
Speaker 1: tapes and wait for people to give us jobs. And

468
00:25:11,840 --> 00:25:13,760
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, yeah, I just want to learn how

469
00:25:13,800 --> 00:25:16,560
Speaker 1: to tile my own bathroom. That is all I want

470
00:25:16,560 --> 00:25:19,800
Speaker 1: to do. And it's it's awesome that there are careers

471
00:25:19,840 --> 00:25:23,800
Speaker 1: where you're not just sitting in an office. Yeah. I frankly,

472
00:25:23,920 --> 00:25:26,399
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna say it. I'm pissed that Nathan doesn't

473
00:25:26,400 --> 00:25:28,280
Speaker 1: stay in the factory because when he came home all

474
00:25:28,280 --> 00:25:31,720
Speaker 1: covered in Greece and sinewy and muscly and dirty, Damn

475
00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:36,040
Speaker 1: wasn't that sexy? Y'all? I wouldn't have minded a couple

476
00:25:36,280 --> 00:25:41,280
Speaker 1: seasons of Nathan just being muscly and lifting up heavy.

477
00:25:41,720 --> 00:25:43,919
Speaker 1: By the way, I love that the writers were like,

478
00:25:44,040 --> 00:25:46,480
Speaker 1: isn't this sad? And the three of us were like, no,

479
00:25:46,560 --> 00:25:51,159
Speaker 1: that's hot. So hot. It was adult too. You know,

480
00:25:51,320 --> 00:25:54,440
Speaker 1: there's um like, I like that Nathan has this dream

481
00:25:54,480 --> 00:25:56,760
Speaker 1: of playing basketball, but it does have a Peter Pan

482
00:25:56,880 --> 00:26:00,119
Speaker 1: quality to it of not quite wanting to grow up,

483
00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:05,000
Speaker 1: and you know that is part of graduation. There are

484
00:26:05,119 --> 00:26:07,880
Speaker 1: kids that go right into growing up stuff if they're

485
00:26:07,920 --> 00:26:10,400
Speaker 1: not already doing it, and then there are the kids

486
00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:14,639
Speaker 1: who have the privilege of continuing to be teenagers for

487
00:26:14,680 --> 00:26:18,679
Speaker 1: another two, four or six years. Yeah. I don't know.

488
00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:21,359
Speaker 1: I'm a dropout. I got what I needed out of

489
00:26:21,359 --> 00:26:23,680
Speaker 1: my first two years of school. I had a good

490
00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:27,280
Speaker 1: paying job. I was producing TV cool. And so when

491
00:26:27,280 --> 00:26:29,520
Speaker 1: my kid, I mean, my son is already stressing out

492
00:26:29,520 --> 00:26:32,160
Speaker 1: about college, and I'm just like, I think I'm doing

493
00:26:32,160 --> 00:26:34,359
Speaker 1: the reverse psychology thing where I'm like, are you sure

494
00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:36,280
Speaker 1: you want to go that route? Are you sure you

495
00:26:36,280 --> 00:26:39,280
Speaker 1: don't want to just start paying when you're eighteen work

496
00:26:39,320 --> 00:26:42,240
Speaker 1: your way up that way? Because I think so much

497
00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:44,639
Speaker 1: pressures put on these kids, like you have to have

498
00:26:44,680 --> 00:26:46,920
Speaker 1: to go yeah, well, and so much pressures put on

499
00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:50,040
Speaker 1: kids now to be good at everything they're supposed to have,

500
00:26:50,119 --> 00:26:53,720
Speaker 1: like a sport, a musician something you know, like a

501
00:26:53,800 --> 00:26:56,680
Speaker 1: musical instrument and an extracurricular and a debate team and

502
00:26:57,040 --> 00:27:00,919
Speaker 1: a charity thing. Yeah. Yeah, like one thing. You're supposed

503
00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:02,800
Speaker 1: to try out all the things and figure out what

504
00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:05,720
Speaker 1: you like and then go do that thing. You know,

505
00:27:05,840 --> 00:27:07,399
Speaker 1: I thought I was going to be a heart surgeon.

506
00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:09,840
Speaker 1: I had an arts requirement. I did a play, but

507
00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:13,080
Speaker 1: you sort of for I sort of was eventually I

508
00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:16,720
Speaker 1: played one on TV, but like event you know, I had.

509
00:27:16,760 --> 00:27:18,880
Speaker 1: I had an arts requirement for a semester. I thought,

510
00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:20,760
Speaker 1: I'll go do this one play and it'll be fun.

511
00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:23,080
Speaker 1: And it changed the course of my life. I figured

512
00:27:23,080 --> 00:27:25,960
Speaker 1: out what I liked better. I love to tell stories.

513
00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:30,240
Speaker 1: I love to to be in community, and it shifted

514
00:27:30,280 --> 00:27:33,320
Speaker 1: for me. You're a different kind of heart doctor. That's okay,

515
00:27:36,520 --> 00:27:42,080
Speaker 1: we're empathy surgeon. Oh all right, hey, you said it,

516
00:27:42,119 --> 00:27:46,280
Speaker 1: all right, doctor doctor Davis. You said it in the episode.

517
00:27:46,359 --> 00:27:48,840
Speaker 1: You were like, why is every pregnancy on this show

518
00:27:49,040 --> 00:27:53,920
Speaker 1: like so threatening? Why is every woman almost dying when

519
00:27:53,920 --> 00:27:57,879
Speaker 1: she has a baby on our show? It's really weird.

520
00:27:58,600 --> 00:28:02,240
Speaker 1: It's like an easy tar get for vulnerability. Maybe, yes,

521
00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:09,280
Speaker 1: it is a really delicate time, and it is. It

522
00:28:09,280 --> 00:28:12,040
Speaker 1: can be very scary. You know, anything can go wrong,

523
00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:16,480
Speaker 1: But I don't know. It feels like every chick who

524
00:28:16,520 --> 00:28:18,439
Speaker 1: gets pregnant has to be in peril so that a

525
00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:21,400
Speaker 1: boy can come in and save her. How my pregnancies

526
00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:23,239
Speaker 1: have we had on the show, though, Well, we know

527
00:28:23,320 --> 00:28:25,879
Speaker 1: that we've got We've got Karen, we know we have

528
00:28:26,520 --> 00:28:30,959
Speaker 1: Peyton is going to almost die? Yeah, Brooke, do you

529
00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:34,760
Speaker 1: almost die? Yeah? Okay, oh so every time? Yeah? So

530
00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:37,640
Speaker 1: in the trajectory of the future, this is what happens,

531
00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:42,240
Speaker 1: and you got hit by a car while you were pregnant, right, yeah,

532
00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:48,560
Speaker 1: we forgot about that one. It's really weird. I don't know, guys,

533
00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:58,120
Speaker 1: I feel like we can do better. I wish we'd

534
00:28:58,200 --> 00:29:01,720
Speaker 1: known ahead of watching the episode today that Moira was

535
00:29:01,760 --> 00:29:04,560
Speaker 1: going to be in a coma as Karen the whole time,

536
00:29:04,560 --> 00:29:06,280
Speaker 1: because I would have loved to just grab her for

537
00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:08,360
Speaker 1: five minutes and be like, is that fun for you

538
00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:11,280
Speaker 1: or boring? Did you get to actually nap or was

539
00:29:11,320 --> 00:29:13,320
Speaker 1: it annoying to have to come in and get into makeup?

540
00:29:13,360 --> 00:29:15,080
Speaker 1: To just get into bed with your eyes closed? I

541
00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:17,880
Speaker 1: have questions. Well, it's fun, it's fun to come in

542
00:29:17,920 --> 00:29:19,000
Speaker 1: and get you. I had to be in a coma.

543
00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:20,720
Speaker 1: You just good to get your makeup on and lay down.

544
00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:24,240
Speaker 1: It seems like Karen's in a coma for like a while, right,

545
00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:27,400
Speaker 1: Oh is she she? I mean he brings her in.

546
00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:30,640
Speaker 1: Oh in the episode yeah, oh days, yes, yes, yeah,

547
00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:33,480
Speaker 1: because the graduation and there was a track we even

548
00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:37,800
Speaker 1: tracked something all of us. At the beginning of the episode, Lucas, Peyton,

549
00:29:38,360 --> 00:29:42,240
Speaker 1: and Deb are all in their clothes from the day

550
00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:44,760
Speaker 1: that Karen was brought in. Well know, I changed my shirt.

551
00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:47,360
Speaker 1: Oh oh you change Sorry, that's what it was. A

552
00:29:47,400 --> 00:29:50,480
Speaker 1: weird clothing jump. Yeah, it's Lucas and Deb who are

553
00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:52,560
Speaker 1: still in their clothes from the day before, the day

554
00:29:52,640 --> 00:29:56,440
Speaker 1: Karen comes to the hospital. But you guys have changed, Joy,

555
00:29:56,520 --> 00:29:58,520
Speaker 1: you and James have changed. You're now in that like

556
00:29:58,560 --> 00:30:00,800
Speaker 1: red and white tank top moment. So they were trying

557
00:30:00,840 --> 00:30:05,080
Speaker 1: to show that it's overnights from the very beginning of

558
00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:08,960
Speaker 1: the episode. From from early scenes. Yeah, oh and I

559
00:30:09,080 --> 00:30:11,800
Speaker 1: got a tan overnight too, girl, it worked. Where'd you

560
00:30:11,840 --> 00:30:14,720
Speaker 1: go for the weekend? Joy? Guys? Was this the time?

561
00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:18,320
Speaker 1: Do you remember? Was it Rachel Kick who set up

562
00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:22,560
Speaker 1: the spray tan shower the trailer? Yeah, and she had

563
00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:25,640
Speaker 1: like did she do our air brushing or hired somebody,

564
00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:28,120
Speaker 1: But I think that was my first like air brushed

565
00:30:28,160 --> 00:30:30,320
Speaker 1: tan that I had gotten in the Yeah, so you

566
00:30:30,320 --> 00:30:33,480
Speaker 1: don't remember that, Sophia. Rachel Kick was so fun. Tell

567
00:30:33,520 --> 00:30:36,440
Speaker 1: everybody who Rachel Kick was. She was our makeup artist.

568
00:30:37,240 --> 00:30:39,440
Speaker 1: She was great. I did love Rachel. She was our

569
00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:42,880
Speaker 1: makeup artist for a long time. But she came in.

570
00:30:43,720 --> 00:30:48,480
Speaker 1: She came in and set up this like shower. I

571
00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:50,000
Speaker 1: think it was also a year. Maybe we got a

572
00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:53,560
Speaker 1: bigger hair and makeup trailer. But she set up all

573
00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:58,040
Speaker 1: of these curtains, the plastic curtains all over the walls,

574
00:30:58,040 --> 00:31:00,480
Speaker 1: on the floor, and then she just would go in

575
00:31:00,520 --> 00:31:04,160
Speaker 1: there in our uh you know, pasties and an underwear

576
00:31:04,160 --> 00:31:07,680
Speaker 1: and they would just spray tan. Us. You don't, just Sophia,

577
00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:10,760
Speaker 1: you don't remember this, not really. I didn't spray tan.

578
00:31:11,560 --> 00:31:13,600
Speaker 1: I don't know if I did either. I'm pretty pale.

579
00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:15,400
Speaker 1: I don't like being in my underwear in front of

580
00:31:15,520 --> 00:31:20,040
Speaker 1: anyone ever either. I'm such a prude. Maybe it was

581
00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:22,600
Speaker 1: just me and Bevin. I don't know. You guys were

582
00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:25,440
Speaker 1: tan and glowing and all beautiful and stuff. Because I

583
00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:29,240
Speaker 1: remember season four there was a person who shall remain nameless,

584
00:31:29,320 --> 00:31:32,160
Speaker 1: a producer Who'd come out from La Who in the

585
00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:34,400
Speaker 1: in a way that made me feel so uncomfortable. It

586
00:31:34,520 --> 00:31:39,400
Speaker 1: was like, look at your skin, It's like milk. Thank you.

587
00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:43,280
Speaker 1: So I remember that I was so that I was

588
00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:45,840
Speaker 1: so pale in season four that people were telling me

589
00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:48,520
Speaker 1: I looked like a dairy product. So I don't think

590
00:31:48,560 --> 00:31:51,160
Speaker 1: I was getting a spray tan. Look at you, You're

591
00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:54,360
Speaker 1: like goat cheese. Yeah. Wow, you're like a little Kim

592
00:31:54,440 --> 00:32:02,840
Speaker 1: and Bear there ammon milk. So creepy. Rachel kick was fun.

593
00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:06,040
Speaker 1: She was so cool. Yeah, she was spicy. Man. No,

594
00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:08,760
Speaker 1: I love the tan tanning spray. It was fun. Yeah,

595
00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:10,640
Speaker 1: you had a lot going on that was really good.

596
00:32:10,680 --> 00:32:13,200
Speaker 1: You had like a really good Pam Anderson messy bun

597
00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:16,760
Speaker 1: in this episode. Yeah. I love that messy bun and

598
00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:21,480
Speaker 1: the graduation hair, the big curls I love so much.

599
00:32:22,360 --> 00:32:26,440
Speaker 1: Did you have input in this graduation speech? I think

600
00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:29,600
Speaker 1: I did. Actually, I remember as I was watching it

601
00:32:29,720 --> 00:32:34,640
Speaker 1: back it felt like something I had tweaked. I don't

602
00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:38,680
Speaker 1: remember specifically, but I do. It did feel like I

603
00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:44,120
Speaker 1: really liked it a lot, probably because I put my

604
00:32:44,920 --> 00:32:47,880
Speaker 1: beIN on It's better now. It was so great, guy,

605
00:32:48,760 --> 00:32:53,600
Speaker 1: let me read it you know what, fast forward to

606
00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:56,800
Speaker 1: whatever season Brooke gets married in. I've said it publicly before.

607
00:32:56,840 --> 00:32:58,760
Speaker 1: It's the same shit about her wedding balls. I'm like,

608
00:32:58,760 --> 00:33:00,160
Speaker 1: you want to know why they were so good? I

609
00:33:00,280 --> 00:33:03,920
Speaker 1: wrote them. There's a point like, by now in season four,

610
00:33:03,920 --> 00:33:07,760
Speaker 1: we know our characters so well and the point you're making, like,

611
00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:09,880
Speaker 1: really think about it. They even did the flashback in

612
00:33:09,920 --> 00:33:12,680
Speaker 1: this episode to that scene with you and Lucas and

613
00:33:12,760 --> 00:33:16,520
Speaker 1: Karen in season one with Julius Caesar. Yeah, that's right.

614
00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:19,479
Speaker 1: All of this has been Haley's journey. Who knows that

615
00:33:19,520 --> 00:33:21,680
Speaker 1: better than you? Yeah? Well, I mean I think all

616
00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:24,120
Speaker 1: the Julius Caesar stuff was for sure, they're from the

617
00:33:24,120 --> 00:33:26,640
Speaker 1: writer's room. I didn't like completely rewrite the speech, but

618
00:33:26,680 --> 00:33:28,880
Speaker 1: I did feel, at least toward the end of it

619
00:33:28,920 --> 00:33:31,680
Speaker 1: that I had kind of like maybe the world doesn't

620
00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:33,400
Speaker 1: owe us anything. I wonder if I put that in

621
00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:36,840
Speaker 1: or maybe it was already written and I I really

622
00:33:36,840 --> 00:33:39,280
Speaker 1: don't know. Sorry, I don't can't remember. I know they

623
00:33:39,320 --> 00:33:41,239
Speaker 1: did the arc of the Caesar stuff, But I just

624
00:33:41,320 --> 00:33:45,200
Speaker 1: mean for you that this journey and the points you're

625
00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:49,160
Speaker 1: making like it's it's it's your four year arc is

626
00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:52,200
Speaker 1: wrapped up in that speech. So I don't know. Maybe

627
00:33:52,560 --> 00:33:56,080
Speaker 1: maybe it's just knowing what's gone into it. I can

628
00:33:56,160 --> 00:33:58,280
Speaker 1: see it when you're giving it from that stage. It's

629
00:33:58,320 --> 00:34:04,200
Speaker 1: really special. It's fun. I remember that episode. It was

630
00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:07,000
Speaker 1: weird to be in a graduation gown and cap. Again,

631
00:34:08,160 --> 00:34:10,160
Speaker 1: we didn't have a cap and gown at my high school.

632
00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:15,080
Speaker 1: What you didn't know? You we we graduated in in dresses,

633
00:34:15,200 --> 00:34:20,400
Speaker 1: like in gowns, like full dresses. It was tradition. Please

634
00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:23,239
Speaker 1: tell me it was like a ballgown. It everyone wears

635
00:34:23,239 --> 00:34:27,759
Speaker 1: a white dress, like because our the formal uniform at

636
00:34:27,800 --> 00:34:31,879
Speaker 1: my high school is a white uniform like a Sue

637
00:34:31,880 --> 00:34:35,399
Speaker 1: Mills uniform with a green w on the pocket. And

638
00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:38,200
Speaker 1: so the thing was like on every really formal day

639
00:34:38,200 --> 00:34:40,239
Speaker 1: at school, everyone wears their white uniform since like I

640
00:34:40,280 --> 00:34:43,200
Speaker 1: don't in nineteen ten or something, and so you would

641
00:34:43,239 --> 00:34:46,040
Speaker 1: graduate in a white dress. And I mean, I guess

642
00:34:46,040 --> 00:34:47,560
Speaker 1: you could wear a gown if you wanted to. But

643
00:34:47,760 --> 00:34:50,760
Speaker 1: some people's fine like cocktail dresses. Some like this cool

644
00:34:50,840 --> 00:34:53,400
Speaker 1: girl that I knew who was a year younger than me, Whinnie,

645
00:34:53,400 --> 00:34:55,040
Speaker 1: always wore a suit and she wore a white suit.

646
00:34:55,080 --> 00:34:58,839
Speaker 1: Like it was always a vibe and and now I

647
00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:01,000
Speaker 1: was actually so silly, but I was on a zoom

648
00:35:01,040 --> 00:35:04,080
Speaker 1: with my with the head of my school. That's not silly,

649
00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:07,359
Speaker 1: that's cool. It's so cuty. And she was like, well,

650
00:35:07,360 --> 00:35:09,440
Speaker 1: we've transitioned to cap and gowns. And I was like,

651
00:35:09,640 --> 00:35:12,120
Speaker 1: I only ever got one on TV, So it's so funny.

652
00:35:12,719 --> 00:35:15,560
Speaker 1: That's today. Joy, What do you remember from your graduation?

653
00:35:16,960 --> 00:35:23,160
Speaker 1: I had just gotten a tattoo and I had to

654
00:35:23,239 --> 00:35:25,400
Speaker 1: cover it and had my foot was wrapped in saran

655
00:35:25,480 --> 00:35:32,040
Speaker 1: wrapped to keep the tattoo clean or whatever. And I

656
00:35:32,120 --> 00:35:37,400
Speaker 1: remember I remember my parents had just gotten divorced like

657
00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:40,160
Speaker 1: two years prior, and both of them maybe had just

658
00:35:40,239 --> 00:35:44,120
Speaker 1: gotten remarried like six months before my graduation or something

659
00:35:44,200 --> 00:35:47,840
Speaker 1: like that. So I remember there being some weird, a

660
00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:53,879
Speaker 1: little weird tension, but mostly I remember standing up there

661
00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:57,879
Speaker 1: and it was I was always still focused on this

662
00:35:57,920 --> 00:36:00,680
Speaker 1: boy that I loved, and you know, it's so you're

663
00:36:00,680 --> 00:36:03,120
Speaker 1: going to sign my yearbook and then like so there

664
00:36:03,160 --> 00:36:04,120
Speaker 1: was a boy that I loved, and there were a

665
00:36:04,160 --> 00:36:05,880
Speaker 1: couple others that I just had crushes on, like in

666
00:36:05,880 --> 00:36:10,839
Speaker 1: case the backup plan didn't work, you know, And I

667
00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:13,319
Speaker 1: just remember all the yearbook signing and running around, and

668
00:36:14,680 --> 00:36:19,360
Speaker 1: I think there was a sense of emptiness but also excitement.

669
00:36:19,480 --> 00:36:22,840
Speaker 1: It was, you know, sad and like I was happy

670
00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:25,640
Speaker 1: to be leaving, but also it felt a little unfulfilling.

671
00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:27,440
Speaker 1: I kind of in the same way that like a

672
00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:29,840
Speaker 1: wedding or prom does, where it's such a big build

673
00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:32,200
Speaker 1: up and then it happens and you're like, oh, okay,

674
00:36:33,160 --> 00:36:36,879
Speaker 1: I don't know what about you guys, you have specific memories. Well,

675
00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:40,640
Speaker 1: our graduation was covered by the local cable access network,

676
00:36:41,239 --> 00:36:43,680
Speaker 1: like remember like a channel three was always like the

677
00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:48,280
Speaker 1: local cable access channel, and they had a camera set

678
00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:51,520
Speaker 1: up at the end of the aisle where you process

679
00:36:51,600 --> 00:36:54,360
Speaker 1: in and then you process out. So you processed in

680
00:36:54,560 --> 00:36:56,400
Speaker 1: passing the camera, you went and you sat in a

681
00:36:56,400 --> 00:36:59,879
Speaker 1: little folding chairs. You did graduation, and then you process out.

682
00:37:00,560 --> 00:37:03,680
Speaker 1: And I this is a dumb thing to say, but

683
00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:06,560
Speaker 1: I had been homecoming Queen and the boy who was

684
00:37:06,640 --> 00:37:09,960
Speaker 1: homecoming king also had the last name with a bee

685
00:37:10,080 --> 00:37:12,920
Speaker 1: It was Matt Brownlee. And we didn't necessarily like each other.

686
00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:18,160
Speaker 1: We weren't pals. And as we're processing out, you know,

687
00:37:18,200 --> 00:37:22,200
Speaker 1: I'm like feeling com emotional, and he processes out from

688
00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:24,680
Speaker 1: the boy's side, and I process out from the girl's side,

689
00:37:24,680 --> 00:37:27,439
Speaker 1: and we happened to meet up and he's like, I'm

690
00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:29,400
Speaker 1: gonna stop you and I'm gonna kiss you right in

691
00:37:29,480 --> 00:37:34,000
Speaker 1: front of that camera. And I was like, you know what, okay,

692
00:37:34,360 --> 00:37:37,920
Speaker 1: and so on cable access, he like dips me and

693
00:37:38,080 --> 00:37:41,120
Speaker 1: kisses me and stops the procession, and you just hear

694
00:37:41,160 --> 00:37:43,319
Speaker 1: all the parents up in the stands like what are

695
00:37:43,320 --> 00:37:48,719
Speaker 1: you doing? Did all the kids hipp in holler? Oh? Yeah?

696
00:37:48,719 --> 00:37:52,080
Speaker 1: Everyone was like macap you know, It's like, it's funny.

697
00:37:52,239 --> 00:37:55,200
Speaker 1: It was funny, fun It was funny, and it was

698
00:37:55,239 --> 00:37:58,759
Speaker 1: like it's nice to be in a moment and know

699
00:37:58,880 --> 00:38:00,640
Speaker 1: it's a moment and be like this is gonna be

700
00:38:00,719 --> 00:38:03,000
Speaker 1: something I laugh at later. But yeah, Matt Brown and

701
00:38:03,080 --> 00:38:06,040
Speaker 1: I totally made out on Kimble Access. It was well,

702
00:38:06,120 --> 00:38:09,080
Speaker 1: that's so fun. Yeah, I've never spoken to him again.

703
00:38:12,040 --> 00:38:14,080
Speaker 1: I'm glad Brooke got to graduate. I thought that was

704
00:38:14,120 --> 00:38:16,239
Speaker 1: really I was wondering how they were going to handle that,

705
00:38:16,280 --> 00:38:19,480
Speaker 1: because I really, I mean, I knew I knew you did.

706
00:38:19,640 --> 00:38:22,239
Speaker 1: I felt like I remembered that you did graduate, but

707
00:38:22,719 --> 00:38:24,200
Speaker 1: I wasn't sure how they're going to handle it, and I.

708
00:38:24,400 --> 00:38:26,560
Speaker 1: I liked it. I was happy that, you know, you

709
00:38:26,640 --> 00:38:28,680
Speaker 1: went and made a case for yourself. And he was like,

710
00:38:28,719 --> 00:38:31,040
Speaker 1: all right, you're not going to like be a bridge builder, right,

711
00:38:31,160 --> 00:38:35,440
Speaker 1: go go graduate, You're not going to study engineering. No.

712
00:38:35,600 --> 00:38:38,440
Speaker 1: I loved that, and I loved that it was really

713
00:38:39,480 --> 00:38:42,120
Speaker 1: for her to make it right, for her to be

714
00:38:42,200 --> 00:38:45,520
Speaker 1: able to respect herself, yeah, and to be willing to

715
00:38:45,560 --> 00:38:48,960
Speaker 1: take the consequences, but still to say, I've done all

716
00:38:48,960 --> 00:38:51,000
Speaker 1: this really good stuff and I think I've grown a lot,

717
00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:55,399
Speaker 1: and you know, please don't, please don't ruin my life,

718
00:38:55,400 --> 00:38:59,439
Speaker 1: but if you have to, it was funny because please

719
00:38:59,440 --> 00:39:01,839
Speaker 1: don't ruin my life, just please over in my life.

720
00:39:02,120 --> 00:39:06,440
Speaker 1: I remembered that full scene with Principal Turner and how

721
00:39:06,480 --> 00:39:09,399
Speaker 1: it felt and what it felt like to figure out

722
00:39:09,440 --> 00:39:13,840
Speaker 1: how to play all of those lines because on paper

723
00:39:13,880 --> 00:39:17,319
Speaker 1: they're a little ridiculous, yea. And we had this very

724
00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:21,120
Speaker 1: sort of human experience as people to our earlier points,

725
00:39:21,160 --> 00:39:24,200
Speaker 1: sort of seeing across the divide at each other. I

726
00:39:24,360 --> 00:39:27,120
Speaker 1: fully forgot COLLETTI ran into that scene. I was so

727
00:39:27,160 --> 00:39:30,600
Speaker 1: surprised when we ran up in the hall. We were

728
00:39:30,640 --> 00:39:33,000
Speaker 1: all surprised. It was so cute. Yeah, it was so sweet.

729
00:39:33,040 --> 00:39:35,360
Speaker 1: I will say I was really relieved because you know,

730
00:39:35,480 --> 00:39:37,640
Speaker 1: you never know what you remember what you don't. When

731
00:39:37,640 --> 00:39:39,960
Speaker 1: we walked out, I was like, why isn't Brooke asking

732
00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:42,799
Speaker 1: if Rachel can graduate, why isn't she doing that? I

733
00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:45,759
Speaker 1: was really bothered all episode trying to figure out is

734
00:39:45,760 --> 00:39:47,200
Speaker 1: she going to call her? Are they going to get

735
00:39:47,200 --> 00:39:49,120
Speaker 1: her to come back? Like how does it happen because

736
00:39:49,120 --> 00:39:52,640
Speaker 1: she's at the party. And then to realize that Turner

737
00:39:52,719 --> 00:39:55,680
Speaker 1: did it, I was like, Oh, that's a nice that's

738
00:39:55,680 --> 00:39:58,880
Speaker 1: a nice moment that they gave to him to allow

739
00:39:58,960 --> 00:40:02,960
Speaker 1: him to for that kindness was I thought, very sweet.

740
00:40:03,920 --> 00:40:06,600
Speaker 1: Last hurrah for Principal Turner, who I don't know if

741
00:40:06,640 --> 00:40:09,360
Speaker 1: we ever see again. Oh he's so good though, you know,

742
00:40:09,440 --> 00:40:13,600
Speaker 1: Like my two favorite scenes in this episode are the

743
00:40:13,640 --> 00:40:16,839
Speaker 1: scene with broken Principal Turner and Nathan and Whitey. And

744
00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:19,160
Speaker 1: I think that's because I have a really soft spot

745
00:40:19,200 --> 00:40:22,880
Speaker 1: for teachers. They have stepped into my life when I

746
00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:27,440
Speaker 1: needed guidance outside of my home, and even as an adult,

747
00:40:27,480 --> 00:40:31,359
Speaker 1: there's still my parental figures. You know. My teachers come

748
00:40:31,360 --> 00:40:34,480
Speaker 1: and visit me and stay in my house, and I

749
00:40:34,560 --> 00:40:38,000
Speaker 1: love that they can be something other than just you

750
00:40:38,040 --> 00:40:39,880
Speaker 1: know who they are in the history classroom or the

751
00:40:39,880 --> 00:40:44,040
Speaker 1: science classroom. Principal Turners looking at the trajectory of Brooke

752
00:40:44,120 --> 00:40:47,080
Speaker 1: Davis's life and making the decision, I'm not going to

753
00:40:47,160 --> 00:40:50,520
Speaker 1: traumatize this kid. He probably knows that your parents aren't

754
00:40:50,560 --> 00:40:56,040
Speaker 1: around like teachers know everything. Yeah, he knows what your

755
00:40:56,120 --> 00:41:00,040
Speaker 1: variables are. And I love that he made a a

756
00:41:00,920 --> 00:41:04,319
Speaker 1: decision that would lift you up instead of taking you

757
00:41:04,360 --> 00:41:06,520
Speaker 1: down a notch. And that's what good teachers do. They

758
00:41:07,120 --> 00:41:12,680
Speaker 1: read the circumstances that Well said, that's so true. Well,

759
00:41:12,719 --> 00:41:15,239
Speaker 1: the Whitey Nathan scene, y'all want to talk about some

760
00:41:15,320 --> 00:41:20,840
Speaker 1: blubbery women. Oh, blubbering for sure, sobbing. And he gives

761
00:41:20,880 --> 00:41:23,680
Speaker 1: Hailey credit for it. He gives you credit for it.

762
00:41:25,520 --> 00:41:27,680
Speaker 1: I thought he was going to retire. I thought he

763
00:41:27,800 --> 00:41:32,360
Speaker 1: was done. Yeah, just the way he comes through And

764
00:41:33,360 --> 00:41:37,799
Speaker 1: did he do it just for Nathan. Yeah, Nathan just

765
00:41:38,160 --> 00:41:41,319
Speaker 1: looked his father in the eye and said, you will

766
00:41:41,440 --> 00:41:45,080
Speaker 1: never know my son. Nathan just cut off the limb

767
00:41:45,280 --> 00:41:48,239
Speaker 1: that is his parent, which is the hardest thing for

768
00:41:48,280 --> 00:41:53,440
Speaker 1: a kid to do. And Whitey a short time later

769
00:41:53,760 --> 00:41:56,680
Speaker 1: steps right into the role. He is the father that

770
00:41:56,800 --> 00:41:59,880
Speaker 1: Nathan needed. Yes, because Nathan's about to be a far

771
00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:02,040
Speaker 1: he needs someone to show him how to do it.

772
00:42:02,040 --> 00:42:04,040
Speaker 1: He didn't have Uncle Keith to show him the way

773
00:42:04,120 --> 00:42:07,680
Speaker 1: Lucas did. So now Nathan's got no father figure, nobody

774
00:42:07,680 --> 00:42:10,680
Speaker 1: to walk him through how to handle a baby or

775
00:42:10,719 --> 00:42:14,240
Speaker 1: a toddler or raise a young man. And yes, Whitey's

776
00:42:14,239 --> 00:42:17,600
Speaker 1: stepping right into that role. That is community at its finest.

777
00:42:17,719 --> 00:42:20,879
Speaker 1: And Nathan has twice the wound because think about it,

778
00:42:21,040 --> 00:42:24,880
Speaker 1: he emancipated himself to get away from his toxic father

779
00:42:25,600 --> 00:42:28,360
Speaker 1: and then as he saw his father changing and becoming

780
00:42:28,400 --> 00:42:32,600
Speaker 1: a kinder man and showing up for people and being

781
00:42:32,640 --> 00:42:37,400
Speaker 1: more gentle and essentially, unbeknownst to Nathan, softening in the

782
00:42:37,400 --> 00:42:40,120
Speaker 1: wake of the worst thing that Dan has ever done. Yeah,

783
00:42:40,280 --> 00:42:42,440
Speaker 1: he welcomed his dad back and he said, I love you,

784
00:42:42,480 --> 00:42:44,880
Speaker 1: I'm on your side. I know you couldn't have done this.

785
00:42:45,080 --> 00:42:47,640
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I'll fight for you. Just tell me you

786
00:42:47,719 --> 00:42:52,320
Speaker 1: didn't do this. And Dan can't do it. And so Nathan,

787
00:42:52,920 --> 00:42:55,120
Speaker 1: it's not even just that he walks away from his dad.

788
00:42:55,239 --> 00:42:57,520
Speaker 1: He's walked away and then been willing to let him

789
00:42:57,520 --> 00:43:03,240
Speaker 1: back in. That's sort of like God that that double

790
00:43:03,320 --> 00:43:08,319
Speaker 1: injury and what I realized watching Whitey say it's not

791
00:43:08,360 --> 00:43:11,640
Speaker 1: a great school and they haven't won anything, and there's

792
00:43:11,800 --> 00:43:15,000
Speaker 1: there's this position Whitey is showing up for Nathan in

793
00:43:15,200 --> 00:43:18,120
Speaker 1: his in his moment of emergency, in the way Dan

794
00:43:18,280 --> 00:43:22,440
Speaker 1: did not, which led Nathan to take that money. Oh God,

795
00:43:23,520 --> 00:43:29,400
Speaker 1: like white He's going backwards and healing past trauma for Nathan. Wow.

796
00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:32,839
Speaker 1: And it's really beautiful. I think that's why we all

797
00:43:32,920 --> 00:43:36,560
Speaker 1: wept because for years now we've wanted this boy to

798
00:43:36,640 --> 00:43:40,000
Speaker 1: have a father who puts him first, and his father

799
00:43:40,080 --> 00:43:42,080
Speaker 1: figure Coach, is the one that does it. And it's

800
00:43:42,120 --> 00:43:46,439
Speaker 1: really beautiful. The conversation that Nathan has with Dan was

801
00:43:47,560 --> 00:43:50,640
Speaker 1: kind of jarring for me to watch because I just

802
00:43:50,680 --> 00:43:54,680
Speaker 1: spent the whole weekend doing some work on it couldn't

803
00:43:54,680 --> 00:43:57,000
Speaker 1: happen here, the true crime show that I work on.

804
00:43:57,200 --> 00:44:00,440
Speaker 1: And what we run into in that scenario is a

805
00:44:00,440 --> 00:44:05,680
Speaker 1: lot of people who refuse to believe the facts and

806
00:44:05,840 --> 00:44:10,040
Speaker 1: they say things like, no, that person could never do that,

807
00:44:09,760 --> 00:44:12,799
Speaker 1: that person is not corrupt, but we have all the

808
00:44:12,840 --> 00:44:19,919
Speaker 1: evidence that they are. And that duality where anybody can

809
00:44:19,960 --> 00:44:23,080
Speaker 1: be a good guy or a bad guy in your life,

810
00:44:23,600 --> 00:44:25,920
Speaker 1: and even if they're a bad guy in your life.

811
00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:28,160
Speaker 1: Chances are they're also a really good guy in someone

812
00:44:28,160 --> 00:44:32,200
Speaker 1: else's life. You know, Dan has been recently a good

813
00:44:32,239 --> 00:44:36,759
Speaker 1: guy in Nathan's life, but a really, really bad guy

814
00:44:37,040 --> 00:44:42,440
Speaker 1: in other people's lives, and it's so heartbreaking when you

815
00:44:42,520 --> 00:44:48,640
Speaker 1: have to confront someone with that. I think James did

816
00:44:48,800 --> 00:44:52,120
Speaker 1: such a good job because there's so much hope in

817
00:44:52,200 --> 00:44:55,440
Speaker 1: his voice. He's just yelled at his mother in the hospital,

818
00:44:55,480 --> 00:44:58,000
Speaker 1: and that was shot so cool because you hear the

819
00:44:58,120 --> 00:45:02,560
Speaker 1: baby crying out. The babies are crying out saying like

820
00:45:02,880 --> 00:45:04,799
Speaker 1: fix me, fix me, give me what I need, give

821
00:45:04,840 --> 00:45:07,680
Speaker 1: me what I need, and no one's giving them what

822
00:45:07,719 --> 00:45:10,600
Speaker 1: they need. As Nathan is visually tearing apart from his

823
00:45:10,680 --> 00:45:14,440
Speaker 1: mother and he goes to his dad and he's crying out, like,

824
00:45:14,480 --> 00:45:19,120
Speaker 1: just give me the reassurance I need. Thank god Dan

825
00:45:19,200 --> 00:45:24,800
Speaker 1: doesn't lie right, Like, at least Dan's not doubling down. Yeah, yeah, finally,

826
00:45:25,239 --> 00:45:27,520
Speaker 1: And Paul did all of this stuff in this episode

827
00:45:27,560 --> 00:45:32,120
Speaker 1: so beautifully. When you watch Paul play vulnerability in his

828
00:45:33,320 --> 00:45:38,880
Speaker 1: physically intimidating stature, his big, tall body, and we know

829
00:45:38,960 --> 00:45:42,680
Speaker 1: how scary Dan can be. He has really frightened any

830
00:45:42,760 --> 00:45:46,200
Speaker 1: viewer of this show multiple times. In the first scene

831
00:45:46,200 --> 00:45:50,480
Speaker 1: with Lucas where he's begging him to say he's wrong,

832
00:45:51,719 --> 00:45:56,399
Speaker 1: and Paul breaks eye contact with Chad, they're staring at

833
00:45:56,400 --> 00:46:00,319
Speaker 1: each other, and I realized when it happened, I thought

834
00:46:00,320 --> 00:46:02,520
Speaker 1: to myself, I don't think I've ever seen Dan Scott

835
00:46:02,520 --> 00:46:06,800
Speaker 1: break got contact with anyone. And he can't hold Lucas's

836
00:46:06,840 --> 00:46:11,160
Speaker 1: gaze and he looks down just below his eyes, and

837
00:46:11,200 --> 00:46:15,600
Speaker 1: I went And then you get to this later scene

838
00:46:15,600 --> 00:46:21,480
Speaker 1: with Nathan and he can't even look at him, and

839
00:46:21,600 --> 00:46:29,279
Speaker 1: it's They're just really powerful choices by an actor. You know.

840
00:46:29,800 --> 00:46:32,239
Speaker 1: He's always so specific about the choices that he makes.

841
00:46:32,239 --> 00:46:35,960
Speaker 1: There's always a reason behind it, and I love that.

842
00:46:36,040 --> 00:46:39,799
Speaker 1: I love this. I just love simple choices. Sometimes that

843
00:46:39,880 --> 00:46:41,760
Speaker 1: happens to me a lot, Like I'll get on sets

844
00:46:41,760 --> 00:46:43,560
Speaker 1: and I'll start where I'll start working on something and

845
00:46:44,520 --> 00:46:46,720
Speaker 1: sometimes you just have to get the bad ideas out first,

846
00:46:46,760 --> 00:46:48,600
Speaker 1: and so you know, it's like the big, over the

847
00:46:48,680 --> 00:46:51,120
Speaker 1: top stuff comes out and you're like trying to feel

848
00:46:51,160 --> 00:46:52,719
Speaker 1: it in your body and where do you feel it?

849
00:46:52,800 --> 00:46:56,120
Speaker 1: And I remember doing that a lot in episodes with Paul.

850
00:46:56,640 --> 00:46:58,960
Speaker 1: And he's so great as a director too, because he'll

851
00:46:59,040 --> 00:47:02,000
Speaker 1: let you. He'll let you get it out, and then

852
00:47:02,040 --> 00:47:04,840
Speaker 1: he'll come up and say, okay, so now stop acting

853
00:47:05,040 --> 00:47:07,800
Speaker 1: and just all that stuff you just did. It's already

854
00:47:07,800 --> 00:47:11,279
Speaker 1: in your body now, so just say the line and

855
00:47:11,360 --> 00:47:17,160
Speaker 1: it works. It usually works. Yeah, I love a simple choice. Well,

856
00:47:17,200 --> 00:47:21,319
Speaker 1: we see Lucas having all this like grown up conversation

857
00:47:21,520 --> 00:47:25,080
Speaker 1: with Dan where he's being very firm. He's like, you

858
00:47:25,120 --> 00:47:27,799
Speaker 1: will not be in my mother's life. This child will

859
00:47:27,800 --> 00:47:30,719
Speaker 1: have me as an adult man in their life, the

860
00:47:30,760 --> 00:47:33,640
Speaker 1: same way Keith raised me. You are unnecessary here. I

861
00:47:33,680 --> 00:47:37,560
Speaker 1: mean that is an adult conversation. But then I loved

862
00:47:37,760 --> 00:47:41,640
Speaker 1: the scene between Lucas and Haley where you give him

863
00:47:41,640 --> 00:47:44,120
Speaker 1: the gift that his mom has had for him, the

864
00:47:44,160 --> 00:47:47,040
Speaker 1: bound copy of his book, and he says, I just

865
00:47:47,160 --> 00:47:51,240
Speaker 1: want her to be my mom again. And that sense,

866
00:47:51,840 --> 00:47:55,520
Speaker 1: that's what graduation is. It's like this this cusp of

867
00:47:55,560 --> 00:47:58,640
Speaker 1: adulthood and I just want to be the kid. I

868
00:47:58,680 --> 00:48:00,800
Speaker 1: want to be reassured, I want to be cuddled. I

869
00:48:01,360 --> 00:48:03,719
Speaker 1: still feel all of those feelings, like do you ever

870
00:48:03,760 --> 00:48:05,719
Speaker 1: just have a day where you're like, I really need

871
00:48:05,760 --> 00:48:10,799
Speaker 1: to be babied today. Yes, Lucas needed to be babied

872
00:48:11,360 --> 00:48:15,759
Speaker 1: in that moment. I think that's what it is. I

873
00:48:15,840 --> 00:48:17,800
Speaker 1: do that too. I do that to my husband Sometimes

874
00:48:17,800 --> 00:48:18,960
Speaker 1: I'll walk up to him in the middle of the

875
00:48:19,040 --> 00:48:22,120
Speaker 1: day and go, will you just hold me just for

876
00:48:22,120 --> 00:48:24,880
Speaker 1: a minute? Like we're both working and we have stuff

877
00:48:24,920 --> 00:48:26,680
Speaker 1: to do, but can we just take a break and

878
00:48:26,760 --> 00:48:30,480
Speaker 1: we meet for a minute? So good? I love Maria

879
00:48:30,520 --> 00:48:32,239
Speaker 1: will do that to me. Sometimes you'll see me in

880
00:48:32,280 --> 00:48:34,839
Speaker 1: the house and be like, Mommy, do you need a hug?

881
00:48:36,880 --> 00:48:40,080
Speaker 1: I do I need a hug? I was on eleven

882
00:48:40,239 --> 00:48:43,160
Speaker 1: and Gus was just like, hey, hey, call me here,

883
00:48:43,560 --> 00:48:46,480
Speaker 1: call me here. And You're like, no, you're not supposed

884
00:48:46,480 --> 00:48:53,080
Speaker 1: to parent me. I'm the bear. I always foke guilty. Yes,

885
00:48:53,200 --> 00:48:57,120
Speaker 1: but please don't let this out. Please no. I think

886
00:48:57,160 --> 00:49:00,359
Speaker 1: that's such guys as a friend who watches you both parent,

887
00:49:00,520 --> 00:49:03,439
Speaker 1: I think that that's such a beautiful sign that you're

888
00:49:03,480 --> 00:49:06,880
Speaker 1: doing such a good job. You're raising emotionally intelligent kids

889
00:49:07,400 --> 00:49:11,279
Speaker 1: who want to relate, who don't infantilize themselves around you.

890
00:49:11,320 --> 00:49:14,160
Speaker 1: They trust you as their moms, but they also want

891
00:49:14,160 --> 00:49:16,080
Speaker 1: to love and support you in the way you love

892
00:49:16,080 --> 00:49:18,960
Speaker 1: and support them. Girl, when they're in therapy and like

893
00:49:19,080 --> 00:49:22,160
Speaker 1: twenty I'm gold starring the both of you through the

894
00:49:22,239 --> 00:49:26,000
Speaker 1: zoom screen. I think I had to take care of

895
00:49:26,120 --> 00:49:32,000
Speaker 1: my mother. Okay, we have a listener question. All right,

896
00:49:32,080 --> 00:49:35,600
Speaker 1: let's do it. It's from Sam. Sam says, you all

897
00:49:35,640 --> 00:49:38,040
Speaker 1: started your acting careers when you were pretty young. Was

898
00:49:38,080 --> 00:49:41,839
Speaker 1: there any high school or college event or experience that

899
00:49:41,920 --> 00:49:46,239
Speaker 1: you regret missing? Oh that's a good question. Yeah, I

900
00:49:46,280 --> 00:49:50,880
Speaker 1: mean I started doing professional stuff like sixth grade. I

901
00:49:50,920 --> 00:49:53,560
Speaker 1: was doing professional theater and had an agent in seventh grade.

902
00:49:53,680 --> 00:49:59,080
Speaker 1: And it came down to a pep rally when I

903
00:49:59,160 --> 00:50:00,799
Speaker 1: was a freshman or saw more. I got bumped up

904
00:50:00,800 --> 00:50:04,480
Speaker 1: to varsity and I also had this huge audition in

905
00:50:04,520 --> 00:50:06,759
Speaker 1: New York City and they're like, if you go to

906
00:50:06,800 --> 00:50:09,520
Speaker 1: that audition, you are destroying the pep rally for all

907
00:50:09,560 --> 00:50:12,120
Speaker 1: these varsity girls and it might be their last pep rally.

908
00:50:12,200 --> 00:50:14,440
Speaker 1: And don't you dare, Hillry Burton, don't you dare do that?

909
00:50:15,280 --> 00:50:17,720
Speaker 1: And I had to make this decision to like either

910
00:50:18,000 --> 00:50:20,160
Speaker 1: jump into one pool or the other pool, but you

911
00:50:20,200 --> 00:50:24,680
Speaker 1: can't have your feet in both. And it was weird.

912
00:50:24,840 --> 00:50:27,160
Speaker 1: I made it with such clarity. I was like, well,

913
00:50:27,200 --> 00:50:30,160
Speaker 1: they're hiring old people to do high school shows anyway,

914
00:50:30,440 --> 00:50:32,520
Speaker 1: I'm going to go to high school, and then when

915
00:50:32,520 --> 00:50:34,759
Speaker 1: I do a high school show, I'll have lived it

916
00:50:34,880 --> 00:50:37,040
Speaker 1: and I'll have all this ship to draw from. And

917
00:50:37,239 --> 00:50:41,200
Speaker 1: sure enough, like one Tree Hill came around and I

918
00:50:41,239 --> 00:50:45,719
Speaker 1: was like, oh my god, I manifested this. No. I

919
00:50:45,880 --> 00:50:48,680
Speaker 1: like high schooled so hard because I knew that I'd

920
00:50:48,680 --> 00:50:51,879
Speaker 1: had to give up something for it. And maybe that's

921
00:50:51,880 --> 00:50:54,399
Speaker 1: why I was just like close close clothes. I wish

922
00:50:54,440 --> 00:50:56,600
Speaker 1: I had done that's so cool. I never did a sport,

923
00:50:56,640 --> 00:50:59,120
Speaker 1: and that's what I'm like, I really, especially as an

924
00:50:59,120 --> 00:51:02,000
Speaker 1: only child, it would have been good for me. I

925
00:51:02,120 --> 00:51:04,200
Speaker 1: really wish I had. I had played a sport, and

926
00:51:04,239 --> 00:51:09,160
Speaker 1: I wanted to play soccer or even basketball, just something.

927
00:51:09,320 --> 00:51:11,839
Speaker 1: And I could never commit to a team because there

928
00:51:11,840 --> 00:51:14,120
Speaker 1: were always plays happening in auditions and I just never

929
00:51:14,239 --> 00:51:18,040
Speaker 1: knew when something was going to come up. And yeah,

930
00:51:18,080 --> 00:51:20,320
Speaker 1: I mean, my parents gave me the option, but I

931
00:51:21,239 --> 00:51:23,920
Speaker 1: kept choosing theater. And I kind of wish that they

932
00:51:23,920 --> 00:51:25,880
Speaker 1: had said, this year, you're taking a year off. Just

933
00:51:25,920 --> 00:51:28,719
Speaker 1: take a year off, play sports, learn how to you know,

934
00:51:28,840 --> 00:51:33,200
Speaker 1: be on a team, and yeah, Joe, you should join

935
00:51:33,280 --> 00:51:36,200
Speaker 1: like an adult kickball league or something like there's adult

936
00:51:36,640 --> 00:51:41,279
Speaker 1: leagues where you could go and play. That's fun. Yeah,

937
00:51:41,320 --> 00:51:43,640
Speaker 1: that would be a good idea. Thanks, I'll look into that. Actually,

938
00:51:43,760 --> 00:51:46,319
Speaker 1: see what's going on around here. All the dads in

939
00:51:46,320 --> 00:51:49,280
Speaker 1: my community play volleyball. It's kind of weird, but also

940
00:51:49,520 --> 00:51:52,720
Speaker 1: I love it. Yeah, I've got friends in soccer leagues.

941
00:51:52,760 --> 00:51:56,160
Speaker 1: It's really fun. Yeah, it's interesting because my school was

942
00:51:56,239 --> 00:52:00,239
Speaker 1: so but all girls school is so specific and we

943
00:52:00,320 --> 00:52:03,640
Speaker 1: had you know, theater was my thing there, and yeah

944
00:52:03,680 --> 00:52:05,680
Speaker 1: there were sports, and there was great art, and there

945
00:52:05,760 --> 00:52:09,000
Speaker 1: was so much to do there. But by nature, it

946
00:52:09,000 --> 00:52:12,000
Speaker 1: was very insular and very academic, and I loved that.

947
00:52:12,840 --> 00:52:16,879
Speaker 1: But I remember thinking, you know, watching all the things

948
00:52:16,960 --> 00:52:19,040
Speaker 1: we watched growing up, that I didn't know what any

949
00:52:19,080 --> 00:52:21,879
Speaker 1: of that was like. So I had thought I wanted

950
00:52:21,920 --> 00:52:24,760
Speaker 1: to go to you know, like a small arts college,

951
00:52:24,760 --> 00:52:26,439
Speaker 1: and then I thought, well, that's just more of the same.

952
00:52:26,520 --> 00:52:29,239
Speaker 1: I gotta go have I gotta go do the movie thing,

953
00:52:29,320 --> 00:52:31,560
Speaker 1: the thing I see on the screen. So I picked

954
00:52:31,640 --> 00:52:34,879
Speaker 1: the biggest school with the biggest football team and the

955
00:52:34,920 --> 00:52:37,959
Speaker 1: biggest Greek system in the b and it was kind

956
00:52:37,960 --> 00:52:42,160
Speaker 1: of like just trying on a different uniform. I had

957
00:52:42,200 --> 00:52:44,759
Speaker 1: done one thing and I wanted to try on another thing,

958
00:52:45,200 --> 00:52:47,960
Speaker 1: and I think for a long time that's sort of

959
00:52:47,960 --> 00:52:50,919
Speaker 1: what it felt like to me, was well, I'll try

960
00:52:50,960 --> 00:52:53,319
Speaker 1: this on. I'll see what this feels like. You know.

961
00:52:53,360 --> 00:52:55,040
Speaker 1: We went to do our show, and it was like,

962
00:52:55,080 --> 00:52:57,719
Speaker 1: what's it like to be a you know, young kid

963
00:52:57,760 --> 00:53:00,080
Speaker 1: on TV? And what It took me a while to

964
00:53:00,120 --> 00:53:03,400
Speaker 1: figure out what I wanted versus what I wanted to

965
00:53:03,520 --> 00:53:07,839
Speaker 1: just try to try on. You know, what was the

966
00:53:08,040 --> 00:53:11,640
Speaker 1: ideal high school experience that you saw on TV. It

967
00:53:12,239 --> 00:53:14,160
Speaker 1: just was like I didn't know what it was like

968
00:53:14,200 --> 00:53:15,920
Speaker 1: to go to a big sporting match. I didn't know

969
00:53:15,920 --> 00:53:17,840
Speaker 1: what it was like to have boys in my class.

970
00:53:20,040 --> 00:53:24,480
Speaker 1: Joy and I are like, man, you missed out. You know.

971
00:53:24,560 --> 00:53:27,480
Speaker 1: There was no big like homecoming weekend. We didn't have that,

972
00:53:27,960 --> 00:53:30,319
Speaker 1: and I wanted to know what that was like, and

973
00:53:30,360 --> 00:53:33,640
Speaker 1: so I went and tried it out. But you know,

974
00:53:34,120 --> 00:53:36,280
Speaker 1: our job as actors is to adapt to the environments

975
00:53:36,320 --> 00:53:38,240
Speaker 1: we're in. I've always been really good at doing whatever's

976
00:53:38,280 --> 00:53:40,600
Speaker 1: going on around me, but it took me a while

977
00:53:40,640 --> 00:53:43,319
Speaker 1: to figure out what I loved to do and what

978
00:53:43,440 --> 00:53:45,759
Speaker 1: I wanted to do rather than what was just good

979
00:53:45,760 --> 00:53:49,520
Speaker 1: to support the group. And now, the funny thing is

980
00:53:49,840 --> 00:53:52,160
Speaker 1: there's not an experience. I'm not like, Man, I wish

981
00:53:52,200 --> 00:53:54,680
Speaker 1: I could go to one more you know, USC football

982
00:53:54,680 --> 00:53:58,000
Speaker 1: game or one more whatever. I'm like, Oh, I just

983
00:53:58,000 --> 00:53:59,680
Speaker 1: wish I could go back and do one more year

984
00:53:59,680 --> 00:54:03,440
Speaker 1: of indications with Professor Smith. I'm like, like, it's the classes.

985
00:54:03,480 --> 00:54:07,840
Speaker 1: I wash, It's not the It's not the stuff or

986
00:54:07,840 --> 00:54:10,440
Speaker 1: the clubs or the any of it. It's it's truly

987
00:54:10,520 --> 00:54:13,480
Speaker 1: just the school. It's not the parties, Dude, I went

988
00:54:13,520 --> 00:54:16,839
Speaker 1: to all of them. Of course, you said, it's the classes.

989
00:54:17,280 --> 00:54:21,239
Speaker 1: It is how many parties have we gone to? And

990
00:54:21,280 --> 00:54:23,319
Speaker 1: how much did the three of us bitch before we

991
00:54:23,360 --> 00:54:25,120
Speaker 1: have to go to a party about what we're gonna

992
00:54:25,120 --> 00:54:27,759
Speaker 1: wear and how we're gonna It's so stressful. Yeah, well,

993
00:54:27,800 --> 00:54:29,960
Speaker 1: you know, when I think about adult life and how

994
00:54:30,040 --> 00:54:32,960
Speaker 1: much we have to do and how many responsibilities we have,

995
00:54:33,360 --> 00:54:36,480
Speaker 1: what I wouldn't give for the luxury of nothing to

996
00:54:36,520 --> 00:54:40,880
Speaker 1: do but mister Apaul's history class. Oh, mister Apaul, nothing

997
00:54:40,960 --> 00:54:44,280
Speaker 1: to do but get smarter. He looked like Indiana Jones.

998
00:54:44,480 --> 00:54:47,120
Speaker 1: He wore the hat. Oh he talked about you know

999
00:54:47,160 --> 00:54:50,040
Speaker 1: what I mean? Like it was a fun class, and

1000
00:54:50,120 --> 00:54:52,279
Speaker 1: I was just that would be nice, would be nice.

1001
00:54:52,360 --> 00:54:54,720
Speaker 1: I would love to just go take notes as my job.

1002
00:54:55,440 --> 00:54:59,000
Speaker 1: Look at this, I do it all day anyway, If

1003
00:54:59,000 --> 00:55:01,239
Speaker 1: that was it, I would love it. You know what

1004
00:55:01,280 --> 00:55:06,319
Speaker 1: I miss? I missed the smell of burning dust from

1005
00:55:06,360 --> 00:55:10,680
Speaker 1: the overhead projector remember and like you could see smell

1006
00:55:10,719 --> 00:55:14,120
Speaker 1: it crackle. Yeah, the first time they turned it on

1007
00:55:14,200 --> 00:55:17,360
Speaker 1: like two of class and there it is there it

1008
00:55:17,480 --> 00:55:20,359
Speaker 1: is an overhead projector god, oh, that's what I want

1009
00:55:20,360 --> 00:55:25,839
Speaker 1: for Christmas. I want an old, decommissioned high school overhead projector.

1010
00:55:26,280 --> 00:55:36,200
Speaker 1: Let's get on, Etsy, guys, let's go. Do we have

1011
00:55:36,239 --> 00:55:38,680
Speaker 1: an honorable mention as the question? I know the silicone babies.

1012
00:55:41,239 --> 00:55:45,400
Speaker 1: Tell them about the silicone babies. This is kind of

1013
00:55:45,440 --> 00:55:48,200
Speaker 1: a new thing, like it wasn't in the first few seasons.

1014
00:55:48,239 --> 00:55:52,359
Speaker 1: I just remember at some point they this, they brought this.

1015
00:55:52,600 --> 00:55:55,000
Speaker 1: It's a sill. It's a baby made out of silicone,

1016
00:55:55,040 --> 00:55:57,239
Speaker 1: so that it moves and kind of jiggles. Yeah, like

1017
00:55:57,239 --> 00:55:59,560
Speaker 1: when you're holding it, it kind of bounces instead of

1018
00:55:59,600 --> 00:56:04,000
Speaker 1: being a hard doll exactly. Yeah. But they were so creepy.

1019
00:56:03,880 --> 00:56:05,920
Speaker 1: It was so creepy, and that there was like ten

1020
00:56:06,000 --> 00:56:11,120
Speaker 1: thousand dollars. Yes, they were so expensive and they weighed

1021
00:56:11,160 --> 00:56:15,160
Speaker 1: like twelve pounds. So it was creepy because it looked

1022
00:56:15,200 --> 00:56:17,799
Speaker 1: really real and if you touched it, like it's little

1023
00:56:17,840 --> 00:56:20,600
Speaker 1: skin would smush, and it had real eyelashes and like

1024
00:56:20,719 --> 00:56:24,040
Speaker 1: rosy cheeks. But it was so heavy that it just

1025
00:56:24,120 --> 00:56:26,279
Speaker 1: kind of felt like you were carrying a dead thing.

1026
00:56:26,480 --> 00:56:29,920
Speaker 1: It had rosy cheeks if they decorated it. Otherwise it

1027
00:56:30,000 --> 00:56:33,040
Speaker 1: was just ashen. And it was this creepy, ashen looking

1028
00:56:33,520 --> 00:56:37,319
Speaker 1: weighted baby with like fuzz on its head. Yeah, and

1029
00:56:37,400 --> 00:56:39,839
Speaker 1: sometimes they would smother it in jam to make it

1030
00:56:39,880 --> 00:56:44,440
Speaker 1: look like, you know, the newborn. And the texture of it,

1031
00:56:44,520 --> 00:56:47,600
Speaker 1: the texture of it couldn't be like matt or shiny,

1032
00:56:47,640 --> 00:56:51,319
Speaker 1: and so it had like this gummy quality to it. Yes,

1033
00:56:51,840 --> 00:56:54,279
Speaker 1: everything would stick to it, lint and everything. Yeah, the

1034
00:56:54,320 --> 00:56:56,600
Speaker 1: more you used it, the more it got covered in

1035
00:56:56,680 --> 00:56:59,759
Speaker 1: just like fuzz from your clothes or from the blakes.

1036
00:57:00,200 --> 00:57:03,680
Speaker 1: Oh gross, so gross. And that's why that's all I

1037
00:57:03,680 --> 00:57:06,200
Speaker 1: could think of when you hillary you took the baby

1038
00:57:06,239 --> 00:57:08,480
Speaker 1: and sit down and this goes outside and you're just

1039
00:57:08,520 --> 00:57:10,960
Speaker 1: like looking lovingly at this baby's face in like wonder

1040
00:57:10,960 --> 00:57:12,640
Speaker 1: and amazement, and all I could think of was the

1041
00:57:12,760 --> 00:57:16,520
Speaker 1: nasty little That's what it was covered lint covered, silicone face,

1042
00:57:16,640 --> 00:57:19,520
Speaker 1: and your dead giveaway that it's the doll and not

1043
00:57:19,560 --> 00:57:21,360
Speaker 1: the baby because you can only have the baby on

1044
00:57:21,440 --> 00:57:24,160
Speaker 1: camera for like twenty whole minutes in a day. Is

1045
00:57:24,200 --> 00:57:26,360
Speaker 1: that you take it in that way where the whole

1046
00:57:26,400 --> 00:57:29,200
Speaker 1: time you turn it, you never turn its face toward

1047
00:57:29,280 --> 00:57:31,240
Speaker 1: the camera, and you're like, that's a doll. That's how

1048
00:57:31,240 --> 00:57:35,000
Speaker 1: you know it's a doll. Was a lot of acting

1049
00:57:35,160 --> 00:57:38,960
Speaker 1: going on around him. That feels like a dishonorable mention.

1050
00:57:39,960 --> 00:57:42,280
Speaker 1: So upset, I want to know what. We gotta have

1051
00:57:42,320 --> 00:57:44,840
Speaker 1: a happy one, you guys, what's an honorable mention in

1052
00:57:44,880 --> 00:57:48,680
Speaker 1: this episode? Is the skills Dad or Principal Turner or

1053
00:57:49,000 --> 00:57:51,040
Speaker 1: it's you know what it is. It's the trifecta of

1054
00:57:51,080 --> 00:57:56,200
Speaker 1: step in dads. It's Whitey Principal Turner and skills Dad,

1055
00:57:56,280 --> 00:58:00,760
Speaker 1: Chuck Taylor step in Dad's step in Dad. Oh, I

1056
00:58:00,840 --> 00:58:03,080
Speaker 1: love this instead of step Dad's step in dads. I

1057
00:58:03,080 --> 00:58:06,600
Speaker 1: feel like there's a whole organization about to happen. That's

1058
00:58:07,560 --> 00:58:09,880
Speaker 1: remember that thing a couple of years ago that there

1059
00:58:09,960 --> 00:58:13,160
Speaker 1: was um there was a school was it was it

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00:58:13,240 --> 00:58:15,840
Speaker 1: in southern California? I can't remember the story went viral

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00:58:15,880 --> 00:58:18,520
Speaker 1: about how they were doing a day at the school

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00:58:18,560 --> 00:58:21,440
Speaker 1: with dads. Breakfast with dads. Yeah, and so many kids

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00:58:21,560 --> 00:58:24,520
Speaker 1: either you know, grew up in single parent households or

1064
00:58:24,520 --> 00:58:27,200
Speaker 1: had dads who worked crazy hours and couldn't come. And

1065
00:58:27,360 --> 00:58:29,600
Speaker 1: all these dads in the community came to school and

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00:58:29,640 --> 00:58:32,960
Speaker 1: their shirts and ties and sat in. Oh that makes

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00:58:33,000 --> 00:58:35,560
Speaker 1: me solb Oh, my gosh. There's a guy. There's a

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00:58:35,600 --> 00:58:38,160
Speaker 1: guy on Instagram who does this. I gotta find his

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00:58:38,600 --> 00:58:40,640
Speaker 1: Have you seen it? This guy who loves It's like

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00:58:40,680 --> 00:58:42,920
Speaker 1: breakfast with dad and you just and he gives you

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00:58:42,960 --> 00:58:48,520
Speaker 1: advice while he eats. Yes, I love him. So sweet

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00:58:48,760 --> 00:58:51,440
Speaker 1: to find that tax stepin dads for the wind. Steppin

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00:58:51,560 --> 00:58:54,800
Speaker 1: Dad's good job. Yeah, let's spin a wheel before we

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00:58:54,880 --> 00:58:59,280
Speaker 1: prepare for the end of high school. I can't believe it, Guys,

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00:58:59,320 --> 00:59:03,680
Speaker 1: we've done all of I see. It's intense, really intense.

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Speaker 1: All right, I'm most likely too, is most likely to

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00:59:08,480 --> 00:59:14,919
Speaker 1: get a speeding ticket? Me? Yeah, the girl who wasn't

1078
00:59:14,920 --> 00:59:17,480
Speaker 1: allowed to have a car on the show is absolutely

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00:59:19,880 --> 00:59:24,680
Speaker 1: m Yeah. I definitely have had my fair share of

1080
00:59:24,720 --> 00:59:27,880
Speaker 1: speeding tickets. Unfortunately, do you really? Yeah? I always get

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00:59:27,920 --> 00:59:31,680
Speaker 1: tickets for dump well, I'm I'm an excellent driver, and

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00:59:31,760 --> 00:59:34,320
Speaker 1: so I feel if I do, say somewhere, I was

1083
00:59:34,360 --> 00:59:36,560
Speaker 1: like I'd got up a New Jersey, I handle the

1084
00:59:36,680 --> 00:59:40,120
Speaker 1: Tri State area. I am. I'm like, I feel like

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00:59:40,200 --> 00:59:42,120
Speaker 1: I'm connected to the car. I could be like a

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00:59:42,200 --> 00:59:44,320
Speaker 1: race car driver. I feel really good. So when I'm

1087
00:59:44,360 --> 00:59:48,200
Speaker 1: behind a wheel, I don't hesitate. I'm not a drive

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00:59:48,240 --> 00:59:50,160
Speaker 1: with both feet. Sometimes I know how to stop and

1089
00:59:50,200 --> 00:59:51,640
Speaker 1: go how to I know how to you know, like

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00:59:51,680 --> 00:59:53,680
Speaker 1: come up fast on something, slowdown, move out of the

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00:59:53,720 --> 00:59:56,440
Speaker 1: way and again and navigate the whole thing. So sometimes

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00:59:56,440 --> 00:59:58,680
Speaker 1: if I got to get somewhere, I get a little

1093
00:59:58,680 --> 01:00:01,400
Speaker 1: too cocky. And yeah, I've been pulled over a couple

1094
01:00:01,360 --> 01:00:03,920
Speaker 1: of times. I mean it's one way to meet people.

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01:00:04,640 --> 01:00:06,640
Speaker 1: I think maybe it's because I've done a lot of

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01:00:06,640 --> 01:00:10,800
Speaker 1: that training. Like I've done some track stuff and some

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01:00:10,800 --> 01:00:13,000
Speaker 1: some stuff, you know, stunt training in cars and like

1098
01:00:13,080 --> 01:00:18,480
Speaker 1: high speed chase stuff fun that Now I'm like, oh,

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01:00:18,520 --> 01:00:21,280
Speaker 1: I know how complicated that is. And now I'm the

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01:00:21,320 --> 01:00:23,840
Speaker 1: woman in my neighborhood who screams at people to slow down.

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01:00:24,080 --> 01:00:26,560
Speaker 1: I'm like, where are you going? What's so important? What's

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01:00:26,600 --> 01:00:28,320
Speaker 1: so important you have to run over the neighbor's cat.

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01:00:28,560 --> 01:00:31,520
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I have become that person who's just

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01:00:31,560 --> 01:00:33,920
Speaker 1: like I don't have anywhere to go. That's that important.

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01:00:34,520 --> 01:00:37,280
Speaker 1: I never thought that I would I would be that

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01:00:37,360 --> 01:00:40,040
Speaker 1: person because like my favorite thing to do is be like, no,

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01:00:40,120 --> 01:00:41,600
Speaker 1: I can do it. I can do all the stunts

1108
01:00:41,600 --> 01:00:44,040
Speaker 1: for this high speed chase. Watch, let's go get thee

1109
01:00:44,120 --> 01:00:45,800
Speaker 1: you know, get the crane car out, let's do it.

1110
01:00:46,400 --> 01:00:49,320
Speaker 1: And I don't know, man, I don't know if I

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01:00:49,400 --> 01:00:53,640
Speaker 1: burned it out, but I'm I have become a very chill,

1112
01:00:54,720 --> 01:00:59,880
Speaker 1: very mellow driver. You cannot go speedy through a neighbor.

1113
01:01:00,280 --> 01:01:02,480
Speaker 1: That's like a numb that's just a basic role. You're

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01:01:02,480 --> 01:01:04,120
Speaker 1: not supposed to do it. People used to go so

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01:01:04,200 --> 01:01:06,960
Speaker 1: fast in my neighborhood in California, and I had fantasies

1116
01:01:07,040 --> 01:01:11,240
Speaker 1: about sitting out on my patio and just sitting there

1117
01:01:11,240 --> 01:01:15,040
Speaker 1: with a big bucket of eggs and wait, just waiting

1118
01:01:15,240 --> 01:01:17,880
Speaker 1: for cars to start speeding through and just nail them.

1119
01:01:17,920 --> 01:01:20,320
Speaker 1: But never did it. But there's time. I don't know

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01:01:20,320 --> 01:01:22,720
Speaker 1: who on the show has meant what character? Yeah, which

1121
01:01:22,800 --> 01:01:26,200
Speaker 1: character do we think is a speed demon who's got

1122
01:01:26,240 --> 01:01:33,760
Speaker 1: some aggression? Deb? Probably deb Yeah, Yeah, yeah, because I'm

1123
01:01:33,760 --> 01:01:37,280
Speaker 1: trying to think if anyone else, like Nathan's not anymore,

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01:01:37,560 --> 01:01:41,160
Speaker 1: maybe season one he would what if Bevin? I feel

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01:01:41,160 --> 01:01:42,959
Speaker 1: like it's got to be a girl. It's just got

1126
01:01:42,960 --> 01:01:45,680
Speaker 1: to be someone that's like is convertible season less role?

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01:01:46,360 --> 01:01:50,520
Speaker 1: I know Bevan's a good one. Yeah, yeah, all right,

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01:01:50,600 --> 01:01:54,960
Speaker 1: Well not us. Don't speed kids, You've got plenty of time.

1129
01:01:55,560 --> 01:02:01,560
Speaker 1: But we're out of time. Wow, what do we got next?

1130
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Speaker 1: It's the all night graduation party. It is episode twenty one.

1131
01:02:05,600 --> 01:02:09,400
Speaker 1: All of a sudden, I miss everyone. This is gonna

1132
01:02:09,400 --> 01:02:11,880
Speaker 1: be Is this the Spice Girls dance episode that's coming up?

1133
01:02:12,040 --> 01:02:14,160
Speaker 1: We all look after graduation, I have the baby and

1134
01:02:14,200 --> 01:02:16,320
Speaker 1: we all go to the cabin. Is that it? Wait?

1135
01:02:16,360 --> 01:02:17,840
Speaker 1: I have a baby. I can't go to a cabin

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01:02:17,880 --> 01:02:19,880
Speaker 1: and dance after I have a baby. No, it's we've

1137
01:02:19,880 --> 01:02:22,880
Speaker 1: been to the cabin. We um, it's that like abandoned house.

1138
01:02:23,200 --> 01:02:26,360
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, abandoned house. But do I do that after

1139
01:02:26,400 --> 01:02:30,080
Speaker 1: having a baby? Maybe it's Oh yeah, girl, you sure do. Wow,

1140
01:02:30,560 --> 01:02:36,320
Speaker 1: that's gonna be interesting to watch. Good luck everybody. Yeah,

1141
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1144
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1145
01:02:52,160 --> 01:02:55,600
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1146
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